You should try to reword it and send it to them ig
#suggestions-discussion
distant gyro
hollow shell
You're welcome 
valid hornet
@spooktacular#8169 sorry
hollow shell
@shut tide Rogue update content is still comin
queen delta
I think I’m just gonna delete the plantera suggestion since it seems like its not gonna be improved
hollow shell
yeah
winged rune
that's a good one
because in the background of the map shows the biome were at
and it will shown at the background of the map which was
good
azure condor
When an abyss miniboss is alive you should get that calming buff thing that you get during normal boss fights :p
It's hard farming for the reaper when there's 1 reaper shark, 2 eidlom worms, a collosal squid, 5 bobbit worms, 2 chaotic pufferfish and a gulper eel already spawned when you get to the bottom of the void
hollow shell
Hm
proven tide
@lucid marsh the start of that sugg is a chain
radiant meadow
I think it's fine
lucid marsh
Now hold on, it’s not a chain because it doesn’t require the other one
radiant meadow
a chain is more like if a suggestion builds on another suggestion like immediately after
lucid marsh
its a different solution to the same problem
hollow shell
(I don't even know what the previous idea you're talkin about is)
glacial lagoon
Tbh I want the abyss minibosses to have Healthbars (mainly the reaper sharks, squids and Juveniles)
azure condor
I'm fine without health bars, I just want a fair fight
hollow shell
They're intentionally left off to keep em surprising
glacial lagoon
I mean it could appear when you attack them
hollow shell
Maybe.
azure condor
Maybe it's because I'm using the blood armor stuff but I haven't killed a miniboss within the last 10 trips I've made
glacial lagoon
Smth like AS
azure condor
That's what I meant ye
hollow shell
It could also be a matter of not knowing how close they are to dying, to increase the fear factor a lil bit
Or at least it's harder to know
hollow saffron
@dense ferry i would suggest you bring up the point that theyre called guardians, why are they lagging behind the one who they are supposed to protect
queen delta
Because theyre slow?
zenith hazel
@sand rain the final boss, yharim, will be a thing eventually
distant gyro
Also boss rush
zenith hazel
yeah you can utilize demonshade for boss rush too
golden narwhal
also, Suggestion Don't Doc is a thing
zenith hazel
yeah, read that first before you post next time, please
sand rain
Is chils really my Nick name?
zenith hazel
it was hard to ping so I changed it
sand rain
I feel like they should add another "God" like boss
Well, can you disclose the three that are planned?
tepid root
yharim noxus xeroc
distant gyro
Yharim - The Auric Knight, "The Bad Guy"
Noxus - The Dark God but still egg.
Xeroc - Just god.
sand rain
Are there any pre final sprites?
opaque garnet
NO
sand rain
Oh, well thats fine..
distant gyro
There are a few fan sprites
dig in #lore-discussion and you'll most likely see it
Some are a year+ old though
sand rain
Elaborate...
lost agate
why are guardians slow
Asks after beating them up to death beforehand
tired haven
@unique owl did you actually try that weapon a lot, just curious?
unique owl
a good bit
tired haven
because it's mostly supposed to hit 1-2 enemies, since it's able to hit them multiple times albeit being semi-piercing (with cap of 5 hits)
unique owl
ok
so
why
why is its piercing a gigantic downgrade
my main issue with it is that it feels like such a downgrade in piercing
there are better weapons to use for bosses aswell
like the terra ray
tired haven
Not all the weapons have to be boss killers
This one is perfect for enclosed spaces like dungeon
unique owl
yeah maybe if you're fighting a few enemies and dont have any farm arena layed out
and if you dont have zerg, which why wouldnt you have zerg if you're farming
tired haven
Let me clarify though: your suggestion is valid, it just feels more of a salt than actual issue right now
Oh, and trust me, this weapon is able to deal with current zerg/chaos spawnrates
Yeah, viability goes away a bit when you clear the space for terra ray
Yet you still have to clear one
unique owl
i'm using zerg and i can definetly say that bingo bongo opinion wrongo
to be fair, i have a decent flat area for grinding
also terra ray does more damage, and hits more enemies
only diff is that it doesnt go through walls
@silk surge you mean when the twins start taking 1 damge since the first twin is metal but the second isnt?
silk surge
Yes
unique owl
you can see that the thing is taking 1 damage and then be fine
the first time you see that is the last time you need to really, since the other boss changes completely
silk surge
? Thats not the only fight, this is a clarification issue
There's no feed back other than damage
WHich is very honestly
unique owl
it's a one and done thing though
unique owl
after you see it once, it's clear that they're taking damage because of only 1 being enraged
wdym see skeletron
silk surge
Have you played death skeletron
unique owl
yes
silk surge
His arms come back, he gets his extreme armor back.
unique owl
i did a nohit
unique owl
that's
silk surge
is a design flaw
unique owl
are you have the stupid
glacial lagoon
It is somewhat unnecessary but that feature sounds nice
unique owl
in his first phase, you know he takes jack shit for damage cause of his arms, so when his arms come back it should be obvious that its going to be armor phase again
i'm saying its pretty unnecessary, not that it wouldnt be a nice feature. Jus to clarify
silk surge
@glacial lagoon The thing is the only example I've seen of hitsound changing is the twins specifically which is why it made me curious if it was related to their model changing or if it was something that could actually be adjusted
because unique hitsounds would be useful for a lot of things, say crits
on melee weapons with low crit chance would add feedback
unique owl
can u clarify the "something that could actually be adjusted" bit here
also add that as a suggestion, having diff sounds for crits. that'd be pog
silk surge
The twins started fleshy and then they spin and then they have metalic hit sound
I'm curious if the hit sound is a part of the model
Or not
unique owl
ok so
silk surge
If not, then it can be changed, for many situations
If so then it can't be changed for crits which is :<
unique owl
what i'm seeing is that you're being a bit 0iq, since that's a clear indicator as to why the hitsound changes
silk surge
?
unique owl
they become metal and the sound changes to whatever you're using hitting metal
it's a pretty obvious thing
silk surge
Your reading comprehension is remarkable.
unique owl
correct, i might be dyslexic
silk surge
My husband is too, its okay
glacial lagoon
Im pretty sure the hitsound is part of the model
unique owl
i'm probably just retarded, anyways after reading the first 10 words of your suggestion again, yeah i agree
it'd be a really nice feature
silk surge
:>
The thing is, its so much sound design space the fact it isn't changed makes me think its not possible. Imagine adrenaline bazooka on skeletron's face and he makes like a bigger cry of pain
glacial lagoon
So basically, the hitsounds changes whenever a boss gains or drops defense, am I getting that right?
silk surge
yeah
Theres no time the boss gains/loses defence other than in large quantities in death mode so my suggestion is a bit skewed to my playthrough.
mellow bay
i saw a bunch of 90 or more suggestions
night cradle
Exactly, they don't get sent/checked instantly
Mods and devs are also people and they have their own stuff to do
vocal grotto
Uhh... tiles are just a value with a bunch of switches. Whether a tile is active or not does not affect FPS
zenith hazel
also you're doing yourself more harm than good by deleting planetoids as you'll lose out on a lot of stuff
radiant meadow
the only good would be shortening the time to generate a world by a little bit
vocal grotto
I wouldn't consider that worth it, personally. But I suppose we'll see what other people think of the suggestion
lost agate
Planetoids cause lag?
vocal grotto
Unless he means worldgen, I'm 99.99% sure that is not possible
lost agate
Does the guy still have the version that expands the world or smth?
karmic stone
Lag during worldgen still only adds a few more minutes anyways
queen delta
Nah im pretty sure something else like space or enemies would be causing the lag, not some planetoids
If the planetoid tiles themselves actually caused lag, your computer would/shouldve been toast
queen sail
@ashen warren could you explain further what you mean by lag
queen sail
No response 
mossy shale
planetoids can be disabled with the worldgenpreviewer mod
like
pretty easily actually
and since you can get exodium clusters and cinderplates by crafting they aren't necessary to progress
you don't really need to do this unless you're expanding past vanilla world size using terracustom however
hollow shell
@thin shale I'm late but remove the "Speaking of sound effects" from your suggestion
Suggestions shouldn't mention recently posted suggestions, they should be able to stand on their own
radiant meadow
aren't we already giving them unique sound effects?
hollow shell
DoG and CV, yes
but not SW
so iunno if that's a flag
thin shale
Ok
hollow shell
Aight well that's a flag now I guess :P
signal prairie
My sentinel suggestion hit 90 stars yay
glacial gate
Do yall think that allowing the counter scarf from EoC to be mixed with the shield you get from upgrading the ankh shield would be busted? So that you can get that good dodge instead of melee for non melee builds?
frail mantle
specific item suggestions aren't allowed
hollow shell
Asgard's Valor is it's name
hollow shell
You can wear both of them at the same time and disable visibility on Valor
That'll give you the scarf dash
glacial gate
Fair
radiant meadow
it would push asgard's valor (and therefore asgardian aegis) to rev
which is kinda 
queen sail
Shadowspec weps are dev decisions @bright remnant
vocal grotto
Dev Items are made because a Dev wanted them
night cradle
^
queen sail
It’s literally their weapons
night cradle
and Shadowspec is dev tier
hollow shell
Spoilers: There is going to be a Shadowspec summon weapon in the future
I don't know when, but it'll happen
vocal grotto
smh Rover, leaks
queen sail
What will it summon
hollow shell
me
ruby cobalt
good summon
queen delta
yharim army minions
vocal grotto
Honestly, I might take a jab at the code of one of them right now 
ruby cobalt
it better blast r'lyeh the whole time summon is active
ruby cobalt
god
hollow shell
@ashen warren Suggestions just for the sake of references aren't allowed
Read the Suggestion Don'ts doc in pins
queen sail
Specific item sugma
Especially reference
Also we got a murasama upgrade coming eventually™ so go for that mgrr ref instead
ashen warren
fuck
queen delta
Gonna give a few minutes before it gets deleted
hollow shell
well there it goes
@ashen warren Re-ping
Why would the planetoids be decreasing your fps?
They're just made up of blocks like every other part of the world
queen sail
@dawn jay reasoning?
dawn jay
sorry, messed up while breaking lines
queen sail
ruby cobalt
does it really need a reasoning?
queen delta
For good measure
hollow shell
@dawn jay Astral Bulwark is an Expert-mode accessory
Quite a strange choice
dawn jay
good point, will promptly edit
ashen warren
yat I am going to beat you to death
queen sail
Hm
queen delta
before anyone says, yes herb farming is annoying but the fact that anything can grow on any planter box is absurd
dawn jay
^
queen sail
Cosmic Rune
The symbol of the Impending Doom, used by the Lunar Cultists as a means of worship
Nonconsumable
There
hollow shell
grr
queen delta
that'd qualify as a specific item suggestion tho i think
queen sail
As a forenote i’m not actually sugging this
tired haven
Why not just accept that planterbox color is vanity 
queen sail
I just made this out of boredom after hearing of a nonconsumable ver of celestial sigil
queen delta
actually how about i just make it so if the right herb is planted in the right planterbox, it grows much faster?
queen sail
Also planter boxes aren’t locked to their specific herbs
dawn jay
or Cosmic Rune
A shinier looking Celestial Sigil
queen sail
Why did relogic even make specific ones if they all function the same
queen sail
What’s better Terry
dawn jay
look at #suggestions-voting
queen sail
I mean we’re both talking about nonconsumable celestial sigil and planter boxes so :echthink:
karmic stone
Faster Shiverthorn? 😳
lost agate
I would agree with it if it just asked for growth to be boosted on the correct planter box instead of also limiting it to only that plant to be planted, but eh no big deal
hollow shell
Same
queen delta
changed it a bit
ashen warren
it does say and/or and it's up to the dev's discretion whether it gets implemented as is, or specific changes made anyways
radiant meadow
is there even a way to tell in code what box you use?
hollow shell
Probably
sand umbra
there's a way to tell in code which plantera box exists in the first place
hollow shell
You know it's gotta check when it's being placed down
and it need to detect when the block is broken
sand umbra
so probably
...plantera box. alright. can my brain work please
either way. always have wondered why the type of planter box used doesn't affect the growth rate of the matching plant
radiant meadow
oh god we're not making seraph tracers into 40 different items
and seraph tracers would probably become too strong
and it wouldn't make sense thematically if it got bonuses from tarragon even if you used tarragon wings
hollow shell
There probably is some code magic you can do to make it not require 40 separate items
but it most likely would not be easy
radiant meadow
red code can both surprise and disappoint, but there isn't any easier alternative than a shit load of tracers afaik
hollow shell
mm, if vanilla had that kind of functionality somewhere they would've used it for Yoyo Bag
We'd have to do the magic ourselves
radiant meadow
self magic is pain though
surprised they didn't make a string group for yoyo bag though
hollow shell
Yeah that's kinda odd
Maybe so people wouldn't expect that the string color would matter
then again it already doesn't matter for the counterweights
string coulda been randomized too...
cobalt rose
what about internal values determining shit like that
placid girder
is it possible to make endothermic energy and nightmare fuel one group for recipes like things like ironskin pots being able to switch between iron and lead and not taking up several crafting recipes
hollow shell
Well it'd only apply to the Cosmilite weapons, right?
Cuz all other instances use both.
radiant meadow
not draedon's forge
but I did some other recipe group stuff
like coin of deceit
calm hollow
hi
Is someone online ?
hollow shell
Ye, about 13,500 people are
hallow kraken
Make a huge change to tracers just to make it work with a different mod
A different mod that literally only exists to give a free extra accessory slot
vocal grotto
wut?
sand umbra
also I'm pretty sure that wingslot change was made for balance purposes --- it wasn't a thing until the recent wingslot update lel
calm hollow
I need some help , Im playing calamity on expert with my friend and now we have to kill Providence and Im using roguq cast , which weapons or accessories should I use ?
e*
frail mantle
that's a question better asked in #help-advice-read-pins
calm hollow
ohh f thanks then
hollow shell
np, good luck
sand umbra
tl;dr for a long while with Wing Slot
there was an oversight where you could equip one set of wings in the proper wing slot...and another in normal acc slots
which allowed you to effectively get Tracers and [insert post-ML wing meme here] without losing any of the effectiveness of either
radiant meadow
I thought that was on purpose through a config
sand umbra
was it?
idfk
either way, the quite recent update to Wing Slot that nobody expected fixed this, and it is now impossible to equip more than one set of wings with it (to my knowledge)
hollow shell
Is this an issue
sand umbra
I was just explaining what I meant; you were the one who asked 
hollow shell
Yeah ik but what's bat mox trying to suggest?
sand umbra
I have no idea 
radiant meadow
I think he's trying to say they're making the suggestion just to combat wing slot memes
hollow shell
ohh you were talking about Aureus's suggestion
radiant meadow
which is an assumption that cannot be safely made
hollow shell
Alright
sand umbra
tbf, I find the whole thing to be good for balance
since part of the big thing of Tracers is that you're getting the functions of two items in one, but with decreased effectiveness of both(?)
hollow shell
@shell trellis I don't think that's a property exclusive to Wing Slot
sand umbra
specifically, you're getting much less wing time out of Tracers than with, say, Solar Wings
hollow shell
Tracers count as wings, and therefore can't be equipped simultaneously with other wings
sand umbra
^
hollow shell
even in Calamity alone, no Wingslot
sand umbra
tbf I've seen these sorta things a few times
not this exact thing, but the whole "using different wings for Seraph Tracers gives different effects" thing
hollow shell
yeah it's been suggested before
sand umbra
theoretically! it would not be incredibly difficult to do (defining a special variable in GlobalItem and then calling it based on the wings used ig, this is discounting whatever meme crafting methods are so don't quote me on this)
the issue is that balancing such a thing, especially in light of the recently-introduced wing augments, would be nothing short of a nightmare
ashen warren
just make seraph tracer give all bonus effects of all wings at once
radiant meadow
celestial tracers
hallow kraken
make tracers literally just flight mastery soul
proven tide
@bright remnant to stop the ever-increasing amount of bugs with the mechworm it was decided that any time the player's minion slot number changes the entire thing is resummoned
this applies to the psa's burnout effect
zenith hazel
@ashen warren scal's not made out of bloodstone though
ashen warren
really
bright remnant
oh ok
radiant meadow
minion slot buff no longer will get killed by burnout next update
proven tide
bright remnant
epic
zenith hazel
also there's no point in farming scal for bloodstone when you have 3 way easier bosses to farm at that point
ashen warren
i mean calamitas drops bloodstone after prov is defeated
bright remnant
let me tell you trying to kill yharon when your minion keeps deleting is not a fun time
ashen warren
so that made me think that scal is made out of bloodstone
proven tide
just don't get hit
radiant meadow
none of them are made out of bloodstone
just because something drops something doesn't mean it's made of it
elder mist
hallow kraken
Even if she was made of bloodstone it wouldn’t really benefit the mod in any way
hollow saffron
@ashen warren how is scal made of bloodstone
gusty geode
What was special about those bosses that made them drop bloodstone anyway
Brimstone and DoppelCal I can understand because they have some kinda connection to the Underworld (DoppelCal's a clone of someone whose ancestors are from there ig)
But why Ravager?
hollow saffron
where the hell are you getting this connection from
hollow saffron
i pinged you once
gusty geode
I imagine he thought SCal should because DoppelCal does
ashen warren
yea
gusty geode
Even if it made sense
No point is having a boss drop a material from several tiers below it
Also SCal isn't gonna be an eye for much longer so
Also also it's possible EoC absorbed a bunch of corruption/crimson energy to get as big as it was and it released that in the form of demonite/crimtane on death
Anyway
Big problem here is it just seems pointless
devout seal
if the herb platform thing gets added, please make it a config
because i hate specializing them
gusty geode
It's kinda what they were supposed to be
Hence why there's ones for each kind of flower sold separately
Isn't that a blue-check
queen delta
Yes
hearty yew
@dense oriole you know what? while i'm waiting for this to compile? sure. it's already done
someone else made the suggestion for it earlier, that's why you got a blue check
lost agate
the check is not even blue for me anymore
queen delta
So checkered flag?
lost agate
Yes
queen sail
I mean that’s sorta the point of their existence ion
If they all function the same why didn’t they just make a single and general planter box
hearty yew
yeah checkered flag it
gusty geode
Does deleting planetoids increase fps
potent veldt
I believe it's already been suggested, but why are Vampire Knives melee-only
tired haven
Because transforming melee content to rogue is mostly a no-no
(mostly because flasks were shared after all)
But so far the intent is to remove the double class weapons in near future, iirc
potent veldt
So does that mean in that double-class-removal update, they will end up becoming rogue, or..?
tired haven
It may not be a single update, but yes, if weapon had both versions it would 99% become rogue only
potent veldt
So they'd end up staying melee, in said update?
potent veldt
They don't have a rogue variation
They are melee exclusively
So, in that update, would they be changed at all?
tired haven
Well obviously
Nothing is gonna be changed about knives
potent veldt
Would it possible to make a fake Vampire Knives that's rogue, though?
zenith hazel
how is that different from saying “hey make vamp knives rogue too”?
tired haven
Probably not, because that would be a copy of biome weapon, and rogue already has one
And ye
potent veldt
Well, I mean as in
Make a pseudo-knives
And then make the melee variant unobtainable
But I get why it wouldn't happen, yeah
Still feels really strange though, for a melee weapon to suddenly transform into one of the most important rogue crafting trees
But, eh, Rogue does get plenty of options already
tired haven
Not gonna lie, I fail to understand why to do all these unnecessary steps
And mhm, axe transforms into summon weapon,let's not forget
potent veldt
That is true
zenith hazel
a weapon changing class midway through a crafting tree is not out of the ordinary byeah
gusty geode
But y tho
potent veldt
No yeah a bunch of weapons do it
My main gripe with Vampire Knives is that it's just the first ingredient to rogue's most important crafting tree
But on that end, same thing with Elemental axes
zenith hazel
most important crafting tree?
worthy fiber
I dunno man, being able to move at the speed of sound mid-HM is pretty op
tired haven
This change would make the availability higher than pre-nerf state so it's a definite no even with an item nerf
arctic wren
I mean you can't use it during bosses ... I wouldn't really call it op in the sense it trivialises the game
it just makes other movement-related items unnecessary
once you have it bam, you can go anywhere you want in the overworld instantly, which is why it was made so hard to get
I can see the logic behind it. If it were to be moved later in progression I think something like late post-ml would be better. Post dog or post yharon maybe?
Make it the ultimate movement accessory for getting around between boss fights at the end of the game
lucid marsh
Ok what about severely nerfing it pre moon lord, and then reverting it later?
frail mantle
wouldn't that count as a specific item sugg
worthy fiber
That'd ruin the purpose of the item if you severely nerf it, right?
arctic wren
And I wasn't the one suggesting it, just discussing what I think would be a better version of the "make it post-skeletron prime" thing
frail mantle
specific item
proven tide
well, considering you have two suggs in one post, you should break it into two
placid moth
dungeon guardian lore
proven tide
the dg-in-hm summon mechanic should be its own post
placid moth
interesting ngl
arctic wren
I don't see the need tbh
lucid marsh
Removed specific part of the item
arctic wren
Dungeon Guardian doesn't need lore, it's just a beef gate. It's basically just an angery skeletron anyway.
lucid marsh
I mean it was just an idea but ok
arctic wren
I know, just my thoughts on it.
lucid marsh
Also nu, I want lore!
placid moth
I don't mind more inventory space
lucid marsh
Also the summoning method is linked to the suggestion, if I removed it then it would be a chain
Or separated it I mean
worthy fiber
Just use texture packs to change your hearts ::///
Oh right, doesn't work with Calamity
queen sail
polar grove
i mean having a way to just switch what they look like without installing a seperate texture pack seems better, and it doesn't seem like it would be too hard if it was to be implemented
polar grove
what about the people that already use a texture pack :/
polar grove
what image
worthy fiber
Open the file, switch the image out, zip it, put it back
polar grove
sure whatever
wary flume
Thus why mana flower exists, max mana means nothing if you have mana potions
quartz hare
mana sickness
wary flume
It really isn't bad either
quartz hare
ayy -50% dmg
wary flume
If you manage to hold a static -50% damage you're cleearly doing something stupid
plus mana regeneration potions are great
stop attacking for 2 seconds and you have max mana again, alot of post ML armors allow bosses to drop mana stars aswell
quartz hare
say it to Yharim's crystal
wary flume
if you have the correct accessories and have a sufficient damage out put you'll be creating and picking up stars constantly?
And Yharim's crystal is quite powerful if mana sickness didn't exist it'd probably get nerfed tbh
distant gyro
I don't really care about mana sickness
Because all the weapons that eat a lot of mana deserves mana sickness at this point
wary flume
^^
distant gyro
Just buff arcane though 
quartz hare
yus
wary flume
what we talking menacing but for mage, because what -28% mana reduction
hollow shell
Yharims Crystal isnt the best example because it is the #1 top mana guzzler, not very representative of the overall mage experience
but I definitely agree something should be done about that limit. Not a lot if good those bonuses are doin ya when theyre all capped and nullified
wary flume
Running out of mana has never been a problem in my eyes, mana regeneration is fairly powerful
quartz hare
but if someone wants more mana instead of more damage or armor his arcane extra mana will be nullified
hollow shell
imo the fact that it can be circumvented or it isnt much of an issue or there is/would be balance issues around it
doesnt really matter
because the hard limit fucks over one aspect & stat of magic, and we just kinda treat it like it doesnt exist and nothing's amiss
distant gyro
I also forgot the problem that is the mana meter
One argument I'd expect right away is the mana meter overflowing the screen
honestly just make the stars limit at 10 and each time it exceeds the limit the star changes color
quartz hare
what a natural selection
austere lion
reduce the lag caused by fabstaff because it's very laggy for me
karmic stone
small bumblebirbs
So, a variant even weaker than the ones spawned by the main one?
ashen warren
either a weaker variant or as strong as the ones spawned by the main one
suggestions shouldn't be too specific imo
the devs can decide
frail mantle
everyone skips this one
bumblebirb isn't optional though
you need Effulgent Feathers to fight Yharon
mellow bay
is vanilla bug fix suggestions allowed
radiant meadow
not everyone, some still fight it pre prov
the weapon drops are good for defeating prov
ashen warren
still
most people skip it
and there are other reasons to my suggestion which i explain in the suggestion
bosses that in the lore are roaming places in the game usually don't exist in the world unless you allow them to
tired haven
mild joke but deathmode random spawns exists
ashen warren
most people play in normal/rev
quick ice
I support this since we have a similar effect with the Leviathan and Aquatic Scourge spawning naturally and Polterghast spawning if you kill enough spooky spirits
civic pond
considering we already have plaguebringers and literally every fucking other thing
sure why not
mellow bay
yeah i wan't to suggest a bugfix for a vanilla thing
its because the twins minimap icons are fucked up
frail mantle
in what way
night cradle
(Retinazer P2 has Spazmatism's P1 map icon and Spazmatism P1 has Retinazer's P2 map icon)
frail mantle
ah
distant gyro
Perfectly normal
night cradle
anyway that can be easily fixed with any kind of texture pack
CTP already does that, and with vanilla you can just replace the wrong textures with the right ones from the base game by putting the right files in a zip
frail mantle
que
ashen warren
i thought the channel was more active
karmic stone
@steel raptor
How would that work if AI only exists in Hm
steel raptor
it would be generated with the biome
queen sail
We already have an astral treasure
steel raptor
that's the dungeon
queen sail
Yes but still
steel raptor
it doesn't have to be a weapon
toxic aurora
the astral chest exist so dont think it will be implemented
quartz cargo
am i the only one who finds phase 1 dm yharon extremely boring and frustrating for no reason
in rev its fine
the phase 2 is fine
but phase 1 need a serious update
calm onyx
Subphase 3-4 can be fun and intense, in my opinion, until I start fucking up where nadoes spawn.
quartz cargo
i dont speak here that often but i felt like thats a serious stain in calamity
seriously im having fun in every boss in this game except this one
yeah why not when you reach the tp phase its kinda fun but before when he start shooting those giant tornadoes
its like
a pain in the ass to dodge, you need a shit ton of flight time with a dragon charging you, plus the fact thats its like wiggling so you cant dodge it just by using your rod of discord
if you use both, fine you dodge that one, an other one is waiting for you plus you have nothing left to dodge that huge fucking dragon charging at you removing half of your life
carmine linden
Someone wrote a suggestion about an astral shrine and that would be almost impossible to do because the astral underground cannot generate new blocks out of nowhere, and cannot predict where it will be beforehand
hollow shell
The Astral Underground *doesn't generate new blocks out of nowhere
I'm pretty sure it would be possible for there to be a generation attempt for a new shrine after the Infection gets fully generated
gusty geode
Spirit managed to make blocks generate from nowhere
And even had chests spawn on those blocks
So something like this would definitely be possible
ashen warren
could they increase the drop rate of the paladin's shield
its a complete pain in the ass to get
quick ice
for the Astral Shrine, you could cause the Shrine to generate directly under the meteor around 200-300 blocks below the meteor
but if there's an Astral Shrine, we should get a Hallowed Shrine to go with it since that biome is also missing a Shrine and generates in Hardmode
radiant meadow
is there even a major drop chance difference?
tired haven
9.3 vs 6.67
hollow shell
13.5 vs 10 in Expert
tired haven
Basically 4 to 3 difference
ashen warren
while farming for it i got like 5 hammers before getting the shield
idk it seems to me the shield is more rare
hollow shell
@sleek glacier They deal melee damage and several axes have combat effects
foggy kindle
and I'm pretty sure you can swing the axe like a weapon already 🤔
hollow shell
Waraxe, Grax, Inferna Cutter, etc
sleek glacier
I meant stuff like beam axes that throw a projectile.
perhaps I should include that
hollow shell
@still cliff Specific item suggestions are not allowed
Reference suggestions are not allowed
hollow shell
It's ok
hollow shell
"Why" as in
"Why are they disallowed"?
still cliff
Yes
Why are we not allowed to make suggestions like these
Its suggestions
Better still the devs would take inspiration by these
Im just saying
hollow shell
Specific item suggestions have a bit of a history. They used to be allowed for a while but they never ever got implemented by the devs, so they were more or less a waste of space. A lot of people were using them as dumping grounds for their cool new ideas that they thought up, that wouldn't really benefit the mod at all and might be ungodly complicated, but they thought it'd be cool
Reference suggestions don't inherently benefit the mod at all
still cliff
Ok thank you
frail mantle
mfw i probably fit into the category of people who suggested overcomplicated things :pensiveyeet:
void kelp
they were definitely super complicated and neat
hollow shell
you were kinda all over the place, Providab :P
still cliff
Sorry
I didn't know
hollow shell
It's ok
Those rules are in the Suggestion Don'ts doc, though. Be sure to read it
still cliff
I think i didn't see something like that
hollow shell
still cliff
But thank you though
void kelp
“Specific item / boss suggestions” iirc
hollow shell
That's in the rules pin in #suggestions-voting
placid girder
in my experience ive been able to consistently get wulfrum armor preboss
lost agate
Same
cobalt rose
same
quick ice
not only that, but it seems like it would be harder to get Wulfrum with this change (And more boring)
void kelp
is this specific item enough
quick ice
you have to get more Wulfrum to make the gear so it encourages mining/more grinding, which means more time wasted when compared to the current method of Getting Wulfrum
hollow shell
No I wouldn't say it's specific item enough
It's somewhat specific but there's a conceptual change at its core
left crest
wulfrum is easy to get wth
this sugg doesn't really make sense, wulfrum enemies are easy to find on the surface
hollow shell
It's valid suggestion-wise
People can star it if they agree with it
but it seems like a lotta people don't agree with it
simple hamlet
Wulfrum ore would just clutter up inv's, imo
Plus, like the others said, you can get the whole set AND tools in like, 2 terraria days
worthy fiber
Isn’t the point of wulfrum being an obtainable set without mining 🤔
quick ice
as specific as that is I like the idea
hollow shell
@hard crescent Just don't provide the example name
You could also use for reasoning the fact that there are no bomb-type rogue weapons after Moon Lord
(which isn't a great reason but it's better than "it'd be cool")
hollow idol
is making an upgrade to a donor item allowed
hollow shell
We don't have any written rules about that
I know that suggesting modifications to donor items do require the donor's consent
but I don't know about items relating to them
Thanks imp
hard crescent
yeah np
hollow shell
anybody know what Ben Shapiro's name is now?
(the donor for Plaguenades)
hard crescent
i forgot plaguenades where a donor item at all tbh
ashen warren
pretty sure it is ye
hollow shell
which one of the 15 "egg"s is he
radiant meadow
@ashen warren I have come to bully you from the dead
hollow shell
ah, that one
radiant meadow
the only untouchable one
hollow shell
Role colors don't show up in Discord search or ping autofills
queen sail
If that were to happen make it post Golem at least
radiant meadow
marrow goes into gale?
sand umbra
I'm pretty sure that's an issue of Calamity yo-yos not using most vanilla sets for them at all
(the Riptide being the only exception, and only in that the item form actually uses ItemID.Sets.Yoyo)
I had a discussion with Ozz on this a while back, unsure if that's being fixed in the coming update or even soon in general alongside other yo-yo-related issues
and given what I work on I'll be very happy if it is
ashen warren
So it's basically more a problem with Item IDs than the mod iteself?
If that sounds right
sand umbra
allow me to ramble for a moment
ItemID.Sets.Yoyo[] is an array set up in vanilla code where the different entries are yo-yo item IDs
setting this value to true for any vanilla or modded item allows it to be treated as a yo-yo internally
(similarly, although it isn't quite relevant here, there are three arrays that similarly need to be defined in the yo-yo's projectile)
Riptide is the only yo-yo to even touch this variable
none of the others set it to true
so long story short, anything that actually relies on that variable will never pick the item up as a yo-yo properly
which is why you can't find the items in recipe browser's relevant category
ashen warren
Ah
hollow shell
So is this an easy fix or...?
ashen warren
pog
hollow shell
@twilit swan That poll is like 3 years old and boss suggestions are no longer allowed
proven tide
on top of that it ends with a specific item sugg (although it's a suggestion suggestion, so lenient) which are also disallowed
zenith hazel
yeah no boss suggs please
twilit swan
okay sorry
zenith hazel
he said excalibur
distant gyro
but
hollow shell
I know but it was too good to pass up
zenith hazel
which... kinda makes sense?
distant gyro
what's... the point?
teal ibex
isn't that exactly what roxcaliber is supposed to be tho
it's excaliber but you're not worthy enough
zenith hazel
I suppose it’s be QoL but it’d be unnecessary since you can just craft excalibur
proven tide
it's excalibur but a fucking meme
distant gyro
Roxcalibur is supposed to be excalibur but you pull the rock with it
proven tide
people look and go WOAH, SWORD IN STONE
twilit swan
boi its just a suggestion
hollow shell
yeah ik
proven tide
nice
unique owl
same
radiant meadow
it's very forgettable in vanilla
hollow shell
Also Beep I'm gonna have to give that suggestion a fat ole No
radiant meadow
it's just terra blade ingredient
unique owl
bruh
hollow shell
Modifying vanilla worldgen?
mmmnnnhmhmnn
twilit swan
Well it's included in the recipe of elemental excalibur now, along with the greatsword of blah. That weapon seems OP
unique owl
is it cause its a pain to code? @hollow shell
hollow shell
Yes.
unique owl
ah, was worth a try
hollow shell
Elemental Excalibur is postgame btw
twilit swan
Ye but my personal favorite weapon is still the exoblade
unique owl
rockscalibur is extremely stronk btw, for how easily it can be made. literally like 20mins after wall you can make it
hollow shell
Yeah it'd be nice if it was harder to make, to incentivize you to find it
twilit swan
Out of curiosity, why are there no boss suggestions?
proven tide
make it bullshit op but completely uncraftable
teal ibex
they're not allowed
teal ibex
unless you're asking why they're not
hollow shell
Calamity has a well-planned schedule of future content
hollow shell
And everybody and their dog would love to have their OC boss in the mod
teal ibex
add mech of wall of steel to mod plz
it shoot laser and is made of metal. literally god please add it please
proven tide
wall of bronze 2: electric AAAAAAAA
distant gyro
twilit swan
no wall of steel seems incredibly stupid and doesn't fit with the rest of the mod. It might fit with Tremor, but Tremor is broken so RIP
hollow shell
m
sand umbra
m
teal ibex
ok but i worked very hard on it please add it please.
my boss is good you guys are taking this too seriously it is just a suggestion.
fervent zealot
sounds like good content for calamity addon #143
distant gyro
hahayes wall of steel is 100/10 actually
teal ibex
omg!!! yes thank you can i please have the dev role.
twilit swan
it has to fit with the whole scheme of the mod and it really has no place in the progression
hollow shell
We've disallowed a lot of stuff that people could use to propose their cool rad OC ideas into the mod
No specific items, no bosses, no events, no classes, no biomes
We have a schedule of workload for the next several updates and we know what we're adding, and features as major as bosses or invasions or etc would most likely not get into the mod through a community suggestion
vocal grotto
@slow spear Should we give him dev?
proven tide
my boss is good you guys are taking this too seriously it is just a suggestion.
that fucking hurts
twilit swan
Welp that pretty much removes all suggestions then...
proven tide
👏 
teal ibex
no it doesn't LOL
it just removes all the major workload suggestions
in fact, far more suggestions go through since those rules
hallow kraken
woah i cant believe wall of iron was added to 2d game mod horray
proven tide
it basically filters the suggs down to qol and similar
vocal grotto
Yeah, the more effort it takes to implement your sugg, the less likely it is to get in
brittle merlin
also there were some suggestions like sdomg that literally took up an entire page
terse sundial
teal ibex
lol
brittle merlin
at least i think the abbreviation was sdomg
proven tide
@twilit swan discuss suggs in here, not #suggestions-voting
hollow shell
Yeah
zenith hazel
man literally made another suggestion
terse sundial
can you please edit it into suggestions instead of posting a new suggestion
vocal grotto
proven tide
there's a reason he said it in here
no more epic uwu-senpai-sama-chan OC weapon of Auric Shadow Ore Soul Fragment tier with a left-click, a right-click, a middle-click, a right face button, a C-Sharp note, and a function involving rubbing your index finger on the trackpad of your laptop in the shape of a dodecahedrons and reference vanities and 
s means the suggestions are filtered down to the more notable balance and qol suggestions, each of which tend to be more valid ideas than
well
tepid root
boss suggestions aren't allowed because the mod cannot handle the power of fogbound
twilit swan
dang ok
sand umbra
I still love that my Complete Accurate Guide™️ to SI suggs has caught on
proven tide
i'm the only one who actually uses it but damn it's good
today's suggs are:
fluff/expansion
qol
consistency
expansion
qol
lol item sugg
qol
qol
fluff
qol
compare to EXO GUN EXO GUN EXO GUN CUSTOM ARMOUR EXO LAUNCHER EXO SPEAR
brittle merlin
suggestions should be more of "rebalance this weapon because insert good reasoning
queen sail
@tepid root you dare bring that name back
brittle merlin
and other stuff too
queen sail
:echcease:
vocal grotto
Chances are, exo item suggs will not be accepted. And by "chances are", I mean the odds of it getting in are approximately that of winning the lottery
queen sail
The only specific item sugmas that were considered back when they were accepted were ones meant to fill gaps in progression points
zenith hazel
that’s just being too generous
queen sail
And even then that was by a very small margin
vocal grotto
Actually, that would might hit the "no specific items" clause
I'm not 100% sure tho
proven tide
interestingly, and slightly irkingly, is that it depends on how you phrase the idea
twilit swan
Or just no suggestions...... that works too
hollow shell
It depends on how much information you provide, your reasoning for it, and yes, your phrasing
proven tide
keeping the content the same (no adding/removing details across different wordings) you can get away with more if you pitch it constructively
hollow shell
Feel free to post no suggestions
hollow shell
If you feel too restricted by the rules then you can just enjoy the mod and keep your ideas for another time
heady comet
feel free to copy-paste a suggestion from a year ago to farm stars
vocal grotto
Or potentially implement them for a mod of your own
Assuming it doesn't rely solely on Calamity
hollow shell
(not many old suggs you can do that with now, though)
proven tide
i did that for polterblast and got >100 stars when the limit was, like, 35? 50?
esteem boost esteem boost
twilit swan
Phrasing? I'm not here to get a grammar lecture...
queen delta
Oh yeah, if you can maintain a ⭐ / ❕ ratio of 60:1, then you're a pro suggestor
hollow shell
Nah not so much about grammar
teal ibex
you're not here to get a grammar lecture, you're here to get your content suggestions in
proven tide
by the time a star reaches 30 the ❕ is nigh-impossible
teal ibex
hollow shell
There's been some suggestions which have reached 90 but had an exclam on them still
proven tide
cursed
hollow shell
usually at that point I just
remove it
proven tide
ngl
queen sail
I mean
proven tide
compare "add an exo gun to give more love to gun players" to "add a gun at exo tier to complete the line and not force subclass players to use bows instead"
same idea, same reason
the latter is more likely to be taken nicely
queen sail
I got a suggestion accepted by the devs that literally had a reasoning conposed of two words
hollow shell
(maybe use quotes instead of italics)
queen sail
@heady comet begone, redditor
queen delta
so that means i can say "edit: thanks for the gold" as soon as i enter the suggestion
cuz i got <100 stars
proven tide
compromise: both
twilit swan
Well Plaid
proven tide
man suggdisc is on fire today
vocal grotto
Well, even if you get 90+ stars, getting past the voting process in the dev server and actually having it implemented are entirely different hurdles
twilit swan
Rover you should change your name to Genesis because man out here breakin promises is playing the role of your wingman
radiant meadow
the weapon is called Genisis though, not Genesis. That is all
hollow shell
didn't wanna break his thunder
twilit swan
What can I say I'm good with Grand Dad jokes.... Okay I'll stop now
sand umbra
okay I'm late but
Or potentially implement them for a mod of your own
Assuming it doesn't rely solely on Calamity
hollow shell
hee hee hoo hoo
sand umbra
this is the objectively best way to handle suggs that would never reach main
not biased at all, no sir
hollow shell
Do the omega brain move and get access to the Calamity source via months of dedicated wiki editing so that you can change the source to include your changes and then never show the edited source to anyone
sand umbra
I want to contest you
twilit swan
Puns are an infection. You could say they're a pandemic...
sand umbra
but at the same time you're not wrong
vocal grotto
Rover, quit revealing my life story
teal ibex
or just don't force your ideas into existence and be contented with the boundaries of your imagination 
hollow shell
heh
hollow shell
2 roge wepon
twilit swan
Okaaay chill i didn't mean for you guys to feel animus towards my suggestions...
radiant meadow
br
hollow shell
ok dynamic you're overstaying your welcome
cobalt rose
if i have the ability to make figments of my imagination come alive then i will
hollow shell
I appreciate the effort
sand umbra
I also very much appreciate the effort
but you gotta work on your timing
it may get you into a bad spot
if you don't watch it
and this is my cue to leave and go work on something I should actually be working on. either that or getting some sleep
see you nerds later
🛫
hollow shell
cya
vocal grotto
twilit swan
Kk time to go Rogue...
hearty yew
@supple lodge what's your opinion on marrow being sold by the skeleton merchant in hardmode? Just @ me with your response, I have this channel muted.
teal ibex
ehhhh skeleton merchant just takes existing rng and pushes it somewhere else imo
doesn't really solves the problem, just moderately lessens it
heady comet
Easy solution. Just have the clothier give it to you for free.
proven tide
after the first time being referred to by the temporary name, i have decided i need to rebrand back to the standard to save face
vebucks returns
supple lodge
@hearty yew I’d be okay with that
elfin maple
hmm
hearty yew
It's a lot easier to get skelly merchant to spawn than you think
And if he sells it 100% of the time
Not annoying at all IMO
teal ibex
i mean, i guess it's reasonably doable, i'm just averse to replacing rng with other rng
sand umbra
it's less annoying RNG, if nothing else
teal ibex
definitely
radiant meadow
basically the same reqs as yoyo bag
hollow saffron
@twilit swan add a reason
simple hamlet
Gonna go out on a limb and say because it's accurate to its name
But in the end, we have Roxcaliber
which, i guess you could say his suggestion is already in ;)
hollow shell
Not much reason to do that, considering you only fight em once
opaque garnet
twice including DoG fight
But even then theyre really a pushover but look really cool
hollow shell
I meant during the DoG fight.
After you defeat DoG once, that phase gets skipped for all refights
hollow shell
I assume Zel is referring to Sentinels phase
but if you are talking about the actual bosses themselves then sure the reasoning is more valid
(that could be clarified)
@opaque garnet
opaque garnet
talking about the bosses themselves
little more challenge wouldnt hurt
would make them so much more intresting
hollow shell
alright
Edit your suggestion to remove the "DoG" (cuz I thought you were talkin about just the DoG fight phase), maybe include their full name if you want
hollow shell
I thought people had trouble with Signus, too
And that was before he got his new projectiles
zenith hazel
in all honesty, the only one who deserves a buff is CV
still cliff
@hollow shell is there any way to see my suggestions?
zenith hazel
people ask for help on signus and SW all the time
still cliff
All of them in the same place
zenith hazel
CV is just slowly circling your arena
heady comet
you wouldnt believe how hard arenaless cv is
hollow shell
I guess
put from:Nick'n'Nick#2772 in:suggestions into the Discord search bar
quick ice
perhaps CV should be moved to be a non-Dungeon boss?
quick ice
the Void doesn't fit that biome thematically or in lore and essentially demands the player take time to make an arena in a difficult area for a necessary boss
heady comet
abyss
hollow shell
Not sure how taking CV out of the Dungeon would make him harder
quick ice
it wouldn't
hollow shell
Convo's about buffin it
quick ice
oh shoot, my bad
yeah so to make the CV Harder, it would help to give it some more unique attacks beyond just Dark Energies and Laser Portals.
Also, for the suck effect it would be cool if it had a minor suck effect which would slow the player at all times and for the effect to increase as the player gets closer to the void, trapping them in unless they use the RoD or dash out fast enough to escape it.
hollow shell
Are you talking about the existing suck effect or are you unaware of the existing suck effect
quick ice
the existing suck effect
hollow shell
aight
That would indeed make it harder but it would necessitate RoD or dashes
which isn't great design
heady comet
to make cv harder, give dark energies bumblebirb ai
sinful violet
quick ice
nah, more HP wouldn't make it any more fun/hard
zenith hazel
but... CV has 99.99% DR
quick ice
that too
zenith hazel
that’s like almost half an AEW
quick ice
if CV health is adjusted, it should have slightly lower normal mode and Expert mode HP but get Revengeance and Deathmode HP buffs
devout seal
It really doesn't need more health
quick ice
a small buff wouldn't hurt since high fire-rate weapons utterly destroy it
hollow shell
I don't think the speed of the non-DarkEnergy periods matters much
considering the phases with the Dark Energies, where you cannot hit CV, are the meat of the fight
fickle spruce
you can't lower damage below 1 so you can just fire a million projectiles at cv
cloud surge
Could I suggest to nerf revengeance Skeletron prime? I've noticed that in every playthrough I have, he has so much health and moves so fast that I can't kill him before Dawn, and I can do nothing but kill bosses like duke fishron and astrum areaus in order to kill him.
His attacks aren't bad, it's his HP
void kelp
are you perhaps under equipped?
cloud surge
I'd think not since it happens every single playthrough
void kelp
DPS testing should help out with proving a point, but personally I’ve not had a problem with prime
cloud surge
I've been able to kill the other mechs perfectly fine it's just him
ashen warren
the only mech boss i struggle with on rev+ is the twins, skeletron prime is without a doubt the easiest one since you can just use the unicorn mount and run in one direction for most of the fight without taking much damage
also SP not that tanky imo
signal prairie
The sentinels are buffed
They are actual bosses now, why would you want to buff them further?
ashen warren
^
signal prairie
They aren't supposed to be on Providence levels of boss
ashen warren
speaking of providence
it'd be funny if providence spawned if you swore too much in the chat
loud steeple
Proceeds to have to fight Providence every 5 minutes
zenith hazel
that almost sounds like a meme suggestion so like no
ashen warren
yeah ik
queen sail
Make Fusion Feeders drop Shark Fins.
Reason: Something about consistency iirc.
radiant meadow
aren't shark fins already gray?
hollow shell
Yeah but like a slightly more Astral-y grey
worthy fiber
Purple-ish
hollow shell
More lavender
worthy fiber
yeah that
hollow shell
Nah lighter than the Corruption one
It'd be the lighter metally Astral shade, not the dark purple fleshy body stuff
the ones runnin along the top
hollow shell
Ah yes thank you for reminding me
@ashen warren Re-re-ping
Why would the planetoids be decreasing your FPS?
clear basin
Np boss
queen sail
Inb4 they don’t respond because they left the server
hollow shell
Nope, he's still here
night cradle
kinda late to the convo but shark fins are blue/cyan rather than gray
hollow shell
He just hasn't spoken since Saturday for some reason
even though he is online and was pinged thrice
worthy fiber
Shark fins from evil sharks have a different color
glacial gate
It could be worse, they could have asked for the dungeon to be removed due to lag
hollow shell
Big IQ move is asking for the Dungeon to be removed so it doesn't interfere with the aesthetics of the Abyss
radiant meadow
you don't need the dungeon anyways
hollow shell
True
glacial gate
Galaxy brain: turn off worldgen so absolutely 0 lag
radiant meadow
fight cultist using eidolon tablet from eidolists in the abyss 
night cradle
hollow shell
use Cheat Sheet to summon CV
radiant meadow
skip dog altogether iirc
cobalt rose
just don't play the game
queen sail
😴 Remove Planetoids to reduce lag
Delete all modded biomes to reduce lag
Delete Terraria to have no lag at all
glacial gate
Delete pc to have negative lag
worthy fiber
Deleting your own PC would be 0 lag; negative lag is deleting someone else's PC
glacial gate
Delete lag
cobalt rose
defeat the CEO of lag
glacial gate
Dude it's so easy
If (going to lag):
Then (no u)
radiant meadow
okay, lag memes can cease now because I'm a responsible moderator doing my job
cobalt rose
got it.
glacial gate
Oki doki
gusty geode
I imagine there's someone out there who would unironically like random worldgen to be turned off so the issue of the right loot not generating is fixed
placid girder
Siren heart shop prices effect works in vanity because flavour and qol
void kelp
⭐ tbh
sand umbra
Lacerator rework is 
I had some ideas in mind for one, but actually doing it in my case is a whole different can of worms
sand umbra
oh I know how to rework Lacerator
but I literally do not have the tools necessary to make it happen
not without a lot of messing with AI things
probably.
hollow shell
bring back damage aura 👏 bring back damage aura 👏
clear basin
I hate how mothron despawns if you are a pixel too far away
ashen warren
galaxy brain play: increase lacerator's hitbox to the size of the old aura, but keep the collision detection and sprite the same as current
sand umbra
more of a reason for me to figure out EE Lacerator and then pitch it
actually, now that I think of it
I theoretically could make a Lacerator rework happen fairly easily
since it has no additional projectiles that I need to replicate
cosmic void
👏 Add 👏 Mahjarrat 👏 Aura 👏
hollow saffron
because my suggestion related to it hasnt been flagged yet
hollow shell
I don't think any quest fish have been added
cosmic void
Huh, didn't realize how many fish Calamity added
cosmic void
Is there a reason in particular the Sulphurous Sea has had no fish added?
Because every other biome seems accounted for, even the Crag and Astral
sand umbra
a lot of this stuff was very recently added
hollow shell
We do have quest fish?
sand umbra
ye
hollow shell
huh
sand umbra
latest update added some
hollow shell
Oh shit yeah I see em
cosmic void
Wait, that was all from a fairly new update?
cosmic void
Well now I have even MORE questions as to why the Sulphurous Sea doesn't have any new fish xP
sand umbra
Crags and Sunken Sea catches shipped with yesterday's update
which harkened the introduction of Clam quest fish and a bunch of new catches (and craft recipes)
hollow shell
I think we're still comin with the fish content