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#suggestions-discussion
hollow shell
You are right, Thomas
So, Celestial Sigil does two checks for if it can be used
radiant meadow
sand umbra
radiant meadow
we pride in redcode for its efficiency
sand umbra
truly, redcode is a wealth of knowledge to be drawn from, a base upon which other programmers may build their understanding of the game and the programming language as a whole
(spoiler alert: not really)
hollow saffron
society would be in 3019 if humans could understand redcode
vocal grotto
Only a very select group of geniuses can understand recode. But we should get back to talking about suggestions.
hollow saffron
ye
frigid holly
how does the star system work in suggestions?
karmic stone
All suggs start with 1 star
People can star it afterwards
After it reaches 90 stars, the sugg is manually sent to the dev server
sand umbra
(sending process can take additional time depending on who is or isn't available)
lost agate
People upvote your suggestion via the stars if you get 90 it will be sent directly to dev server, if a dev sees it before that and decides to implement it on the spot, well gj
hollow saffron
if you need more info
sand umbra
and if it doesn't reach 90 stars, don't worry, chances are I've already noticed it exists
lost agate
sand umbra
hollow saffron
frigid holly
is it unwise to change the threads wording to give clearer descriptions of it?
after it has been posted
hollow shell
"thread" as in your own suggestion?
hollow shell
You can edit your own suggestion as long as it hasn't reached 90 and gotten delivered yet
once it gets delivered then that's the state it's sent to the devs in, cuz it's screencapped
hollow saffron
screenshotted*?
sand umbra
potato, tomato
hollow shell
If you're talking about your suggestion from yesterday then sure you can edit it
I don't know how much of an effect editing it would have, but you're free to.
As long as you don't change the meaning of the whole suggestion, of course. Fixing grammar mistakes or adding more clarification on what you mean is always fine.
(and yeah same thing)
hollow saffron
hm didnt know
hollow shell
(short for "screen capture")
hollow saffron
ohh
lucid marsh
@hollow saffron a blood moon and a lunar eclipse are exactly the same thing irl
lucid marsh
Ok yes fair but it wouldn’t be fun to have separate ones, just add stuff to the blood moon instead
sand umbra
literally just
instead of adding a new event, make the existing events more relevant first
lost agate
not like thats vanilla's job smh
sand umbra
okay but like vanilla has already proven it ain't doin' it
might as well make some attempts to fill in the gaps ourselves 
queen sail
That’s pretty much the job of terraria mods now
Do the work that relogic is too lazy to do themselves
lost agate
well not if we dont want to
sand umbra
you made your choice when you added multiple necessary late-game materials to buffed versions of a few of these events
(also, the Rogue class still lacks much of a reason to tackle most of these events at all, although I figure the upcoming patches and rogue expansion part 2 will remedy this)
acoustic ferry
shoulda made more bosses instead
lost agate
sand umbra
I'm aware this probably isn't the point here but. fishing already lets you get alt ores
karmic stone
Still in for Cob/Myth/Adam rework
sand umbra
that said, maybe instead of buffing Adamantite, just
signal prairie
Fishing can take literal years though
sand umbra
rework Titanium
karmic stone
ye it only says Adamantite byhea
queen sail
Change the Draedon’s Forge recipe to use “Any Hardmode Forge/Anvil” instead of, y’know, having 4 recipes.
Reason: Given that it’s possible to code in compacted versions of Hardmode forges/anvils instead of separately, this would make it less redundant than having 4 recipes for every scenario.
civic pond
**buff adamantite 
**
queen sail
sand umbra
the lack of usage of recipe groups in general triggers me more than it should
e.g. Coin of Deceit has a similar issue
lost agate
Well, i can change it
sand umbra
but the question is, will you
lost agate
just lemme learn how to make those first
cuz theres quite a few things i havent learned yet
sand umbra
lemme give an example
in Mod.AddRecipeGroups ```csharp
RecipeGroup group;
group = new RecipeGroup(() => Language.GetTextValue("LegacyMisc.37") + " Copper Bar", new int[]
{
ItemID.TinBar,
ItemID.CopperBar
});
RecipeGroup.RegisterGroup("CalamityExpansionMod:Copper", group);```
and then when creating a recipe, use this in place of the recipe.AddIngredient you'd normally use, like so csharp recipe.AddRecipeGroup("CalamityExpansionMod:Copper", 10);
congrats, you can now refer to a general group of items instead of just one per ingredient stack!
(recipe groups can absolutely be larger than 2 items, btw, this is just an example I pulled from EE code to demonstrate)
lost agate
I see
Im gonna have to go figure out if theres a way to do it without string lookups cuz we dont use those anymore
sand umbra
to my knowledge, there isn't, although I imagine jopo and the TML gang could tell you more
sand umbra
(although something to note is that there is no class for these that I'm aware of --- they are, to my understanding, entirely defined by strings)
lost agate
right
lost agate
wat
civic pond
..normal discussion?
lost agate
you started a... normal conversation
sand umbra
signal prairie
I thought it was something bad ;-;
sand umbra
nah, just code talks
tired haven
Tbh that adamantite vs titanium example is mildly exaggerated. Titanium set bonus is already nerfed, to the point where it's unlikely you get something OP from it. Adamantite armor has more stats and gives neat set bonus for melee (melee speed) and incredible one for mage (mana usage reduction)
If something I'd like to see cobalt vs palladium but then again, you'd skip both in a blink of an eye
Also, how is adamantite rarer to find than titanium? Do you know any kind of fact that proves that, and not the feeling/impression from latest playthroughs?
lost agate
i find titanium harder to find cuz the color on the map is very similar to everything else
so uh
glacial lagoon
same, i had to rely on a metal detector for me to farm titanium
versed mica
What about spelunkers
tired haven
The spelunker recipe is, in fact, one of the cheapest ever
tired haven
It takes the most growing weed (blinkroot), one nugget of t4 prehm ore and does not require a fish
You could make a stack of 30 in about, mmm, 2 days from a scratch with 3 blinkroot seeds
civic pond
byeah lets be honest
civic pond
its not even that powerful either
uneven wing
You can use spelunker to get more spelunker too
tired haven
mhm
Well it kinda is, because it cuts time spent in caves by about 3
A tad less if you have slow pickaxe and do hellevator, but still
Anyway: spelunker is there and it's not as costly as one could imagine
civic pond
although spelunker is better mainly due to the visual effect
lost agate
yeah but using metal detector is more fun imo
civic pond
not when a life crystal takes priority over the one fucking thing you wanna find
or when a SINGLE block of ore does
uneven wing
"Chest detected!"
civic pond
eh
radiant meadow
adamantite and titanium are statistically the same rarity
there is no one is more common than the other
lost agate
theres two combinations of ores you dont want in your world
civic pond
how is one more common than the other possible regardless
its either one or the other 
lost agate
Lead and titanium
Mythril and chloro
civic pond
lost agate
oyes
lost agate
oh yeah
signal prairie
Why was that worth a ping?
Plus, I'd rather not use that mod since its not really my thing to have an inventory half filled with things l probably won't use
void kelp
oldrecipes enabler removes the tokens
quartz hare
give a way to obtain Titanium in an Adamanite world fishing
lucid marsh
Yeah fishing and imksushi’s mod with old recipes
quick ice
too lazy yeah we don’t need an easier way to get adamantite/titanium
lucid marsh
Removes the tokens and adds recipients for transmuting ores and many other things into thee counterparts, plus recipes for many finite accessories
quick ice
Also I agree with nerfing titanium but it’d still help if Adamantite got a small buff to put the armor sets closer together
lucid marsh
True
tired haven
signal prairie
I edited my suggestion to include common generation habits of both ores, research has been done and tested on 50 worlds
last star
Opinion on my suggestion?
hollow shell
ye
Are you suggesting that this page be changed to not link Astreal Defeat and Planetary Annihilation off to different pages?
Cuz that was done for a reason
That is, to make it actually manageable and possible for a human brain to comprehend, instead of taking one look and going "Nope"
(also you could make it clearer that your suggestion is referring to the wiki, if it is.
At first I thought you were talking about in-game, like some weird update to the Guide or even Recipe Browser)
lime moat
hollow shell
Look in the pins of this channel or #suggestions-voting, you find a "Reactions Legend" that will tell you their meanings
last star
@hollow shell edited the post
Also, instead of the making the dratalioris crafting tree link to the astrall defeat crafting couldnt we just make that part of the crafting tree shrinkable? Like minimize or drop down effect
hollow shell
Crafting trees always exist on the highest level of item that they craft into
assuming the tree is notable enough to get its own page
For example, Subsuming Vortex doesn't have a tree linked on its page, because it crafts into Apotheosis, which does have a tree that is linked in its page
And no lol that'd require some custom code and MediaWiki know-how that we humble editors do not have
last star
We have drop downs for the ”crafting” sections and trivia and note sections of the wiki, wouldnt that just be the same thing?
hollow shell
Are you talking about mobile view?
That's even further out of our control, that's done automatically for any headers on a page
hollow shell
I could see the suggestion working with a "This item is a part of the ___ crafting tree, click here:" on some of the constituent item pages
I'll think about it
last star
Yes
last star
I just made a working prototype in draw.io that works as a colapsable crafting tree
@hollow shell
hollow shell
Uhh
The crafting tree pages are not made with draw.io
or any flowchart program, for that matter
Go on a crafting tree page and click "Edit Source" to see how they're made
ruby cobalt
they were also done by one guy
and the last time I saw him was around 9 months ago before he committed perishment
ruby cobalt
I only remembered one, I know people took over though
hollow shell
(that one guy did a lot of em tho)
ruby cobalt
yeah
worthy fiber
(he was probably the only one who wanted to do them after a while)
I only made one and I still don't know how to make it clean
ruby cobalt
simple, you don't
worthy fiber
Oh yeah, no one checks the source anyways.,
worthy fiber
and they have to be updated
last star
Do you have access to the code for that template?
distant gyro
yea
crafting trees in calawiki is essentially just... a bunch of |_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_
distant gyro
which is partly why making them is a bit
when I add luminous striker to celestus tree it took a good 2 hours
queen delta
Yeah fun right
hollow saffron
crafting trees in the wiki be like
like this is zoomed out to 33%
can't it be made more readable??
like show the high tier components then show what is needed to get those components, etc
distant gyro
this is already drat in sauce
worthy fiber
Pretty sure this is the best we can do / want to do
distant gyro
oh something in drat tree is outdated time
worthy fiber
oh
void kelp
would the most recent suggestion be more appropriate just to bring to #wiki-basic talk directly
worthy fiber
Yeah, though people don't know that channel exists
distant gyro
yea the suggestor doesn't even have contrib
hollow saffron
like to the person who put together the wiki crafting recipes and had to deal with that
props to you
distant gyro
is there any other working way to do it?
last star
Pretty sure i could cook something together later today ill take a look
worthy fiber
This template is more accessible, especially how often things update (sprites, recipes)
No, don't bother
last star
Like making it so that its litterly just a click edit instead of a bunsh of |||___||
||_|
worthy fiber
I mean, it's laid out like a map so it's not that bad
last star
If what altix said about it taking 2 hours to edit a thing is true then it sounds pretty bad IMO
distant gyro
the 2 hours to edit includes the learning process
I just go back and forth in the previews to see if anything gets broken and try to fix them
rinse and repeat
last star
Oof
hollow saffron
ikr atlix
i once saw a bug on the wiki where the alluvion recipe for drat included the tsunami instead of the monsoon
distant gyro
in case you're curious about drat tree, the whole thing currently has 486 lines of yes
imagine if astreal/pa trees aren't collapsed
last star
It isnt collapsed atm, its just linking to another page but yes
queen delta
@last star I could give you wiki contrib role if you want
last star
Im currently on my way home and ill let you know when i get home, dont want to take on responsebility for something if i cant do anything with it
Want to take a look first
queen delta
You dont have to actively be part of the wiki
last star
In that case sure why not
queen delta
If you change your mind and decide not to work on wiki anymore, it can be removed
last star
Thanks 🙂
worn salmon
hollow saffron
ikr
hollow idol
Provi as summoner 
gusty geode
That sounds more like a mechworm bug than a Soul Artifact bug
hollow shell
We removed conditional minion slots from all other places except Profaned Soul Artifact
so it's not like we're against takin those out due to mechworm silliness
ashen warren
make it increase summon damage, since that's a thing thats flexible in clam 
swift bison
^
ashen warren
it already does increase summon damage, though another solution would simply be having the additional summon slot not be affected by the on hit penalty, but still requiring the offense guardian's reqs to be met
hollow shell
That would be good
Chances are the player won't be in a precarious situation while switching armors
west prairie
the specific item suggestions rule just spared you all a shitty pun idea i had
aerialite arrows called aerros
hollow shell
That sounds lovely
west prairie
actually calamity doesnt have any prehm arrows does it
hollow shell
I suppose it doesn't.
west prairie
three bullets but no arrows
hollow shell
You prolly wouldn't be able to specifically suggest Aerros under the pretense of being a Pre-HM arrow
cuz the fact that they're named Aerros isn't directly related to
their Pre-HM status
west prairie
However I could suggest arrows made with aerialite and justify it with "this is at around the middle of prehm so its the natural choice for content placement, right in the center of the content void"
ruby cobalt
you could
tired haven
👍
hollow shell
Surprisingly I don't think that on its own has been suggested
There's been several specific ideas in the past, though.
(mostly wulfrum)
solemn flame
To what I posted?
hollow shell
Yeah
solemn flame
Nice
hollow shell
Although, Sun Spirit Staff is pre-boss
radiant meadow
wulfrum staff that was cut?
frail mantle
iirc there was a planned summon weapon named the Wulfrum Drone Staff or something that was cut
radiant meadow
it's not cut though
I tried coding it though and summon broke 
so I decided to do something else
frail mantle
hollow shell
The sprites for it have been in the source for as long as I've had access to the source
(which is over 2 years)
sand umbra
cyan lagoon
Gonna be risking something saying this, but
Nahlyn is not coming back. Her design will not be reused for something else nor will it be in the mod. Avoid suggesting her return.
void kelp
definitely a worthwhile pin + something for the don’ts doc
cyan lagoon
Would just be under legacy content in donts
void kelp
maybe add it as an example?
void kelp
aaah
quiet abyss
Aight I’ll put it in the dont doc, gimme a sec.
void kelp
thank you pinkie!
knotty current
what was this cut wulfram summon yunyun mentioned??
civic pond
radiant meadow
@shrewd shard suggesting to re-add removed content like that is not allowed
shrewd shard
oh
hollow saffron
whole wedge
was that sarcasm?
hollow saffron
yes
the reason you gave for nerfing the elemental axe is like bruh
'really powerful' is super subjective and it doesnt really help us understand if it can take the player to dog or not
and the only other summoner weapon at that tier that i know of is the energy staff
queen delta
it can last to polter but at that point cosmilamps do better
sand umbra
Well yes, because Cosmilamps are the only other option you get between ML and Polter.
If there were actually a wide enough range of summoner weapons for balance amongst themselves to matter, I might see more of a point to this, but seeing as Elemental Axes are meant to last you from ML up until Signus, inclusively, I can't exactly see a reason they should be nerfed in any capacity.
In short, both for their own purposes and due to the glaring lack of summoner weapons overall after the Moon Lord is defeated, the Elemental Axe summon is perfectly acceptable given the tier you obtain it at and the sheer number of bosses you need to use it for.
radiant meadow
I don't find axes to even be overpowered
they kill prov in a reasonable amount of time in my experience
proven tide
@glad kraken Do you mean the bosses or enemies in general?
wary flume
The events don't 1 shot if you know what you're doing
Calamity isn't a mod that will be changed for people who have difficulty doing something
wary flume
Well it is if you think about it, Why would people go through the effort testing working out the little bugs etc if someone is only going to complain about difficulty, some of the post DOG weapons are insane for farming, and if farming them is really an issue go get LuiAFK, or HelpfulNPC, maybe even AlchemistNPC or Fargos, if anything the events in alot of peoples eyes would be a waste of time not difficult.
You can seriously just get bloodflare armor and a powerful weapon and just sit still with a Zerg
queen sail
If Calamity didn't change for people who have difficulty doing something then
- SCal hitcap would probably still exist
- Probably wouldn't be that much QoL
- DoG head instantkill would still be a part of Rev
Among other things
Also Post-DoG weapons are locked to Draedon's Forge
Which is locked behind the buffed moon events
void kelp
aren’t only the (mini)bosses buffed?
wary flume
And Hitcap was fine
void kelp
you basically melt through the rest of the event
queen sail
Every mob is buffed
void kelp
aah
queen sail
I think it's more or less a general buff rather than a specific buff
Hitcap was fine
Yes I love having forced death
wary flume
It made people work for the victory I spent a while get used to it on 20 fps and now I can nohit cal like it isn't ann issue
void kelp
but not everyone can
queen sail
And that still doesn't excuse the point that it's fake difficulty
In a mod that already gets trashed for it
void kelp
yeah, artificial difficulty is no fun
queen sail
You can make difficult bosses without forcing the player to die because "Don't be dong"
void kelp
or “hey you made a small mistake, guess you’re fucked”
wary flume
Imagine shit talking something because you can't beat it quite sad
queen sail
Imagine being an elitist
wary flume
Welcome to the life of competitive gaming that is all you'll ever hear straight toxicity because you're not as good as everyone 🙂
void kelp
@glad kraken I think being a bit more specific should help out with your suggestion, but not too specific— so something like “reduce the damage [blahblah] does”
- it’d be good to have a rationale
tired haven
claiming to nohit scal like it isn't an issue is mildly cheeky without having a nohit role if anything
thin shale
^
|||Tbh, I never really claim that I ever did a nohit against DM SCal without rippers since my screen recorder will make the game lag...|||
wary flume
Why do you have to have a role to prove something I don't sit on this server like all of you watching every little word phrase or link like a hawk with supreme knowledge of the mod, I play the mod, I am only in this server for latest packs
tired haven
Because I just noted that it sounds suspicious
void kelp
ngl dude your entitlement makes you seem like a bit of a butt
thin shale
That could be the point
tired haven
And yes, here is that too
wary flume
Arrogant not so much, Controlling and can come off of as a straight asshole yes
void kelp
but yeah. holding everyone to the expectation that to fully enjoy a game you have to have perfect play seems ridiculous because nohitters make up a small portion of the actual player base
thin shale
Can agree
tired haven
0.0001% or so
queen sail
I mostly play for fun at this point
thin shale
The only bosses that I attempted on nohitting were Yharon, SCal and Plaguebringer
tired haven
Maybe about 20 times as much for those who didn't record but still
thin shale
But since I may be tired of nohitting if I did it for too long, I would play normal Deathmode playthroughs
Since it’s more ‘normal’ than nohitting
wary flume
"Perfect" any professional or general player needs some effort put in to make it somewhere, why do you think there is such a large diversity in any player base, You have your extremists and your casual players, Calamity has kinda always given off that feeling it is for players who want a challenge
queen sail
If you want your difficulty then Maso's always available
wary flume
Hit cap in my eyes was fine, What is worse is perma enraged yharons
thin shale
Tbh, hitcap is fine
thin shale
I don’t see problems in hitcaps anyway
wary flume
Maso is weird
tired haven
Maso isn't about nohits anyway
You have to tank a fair bit of stuff
thin shale
Yeah. The boss AIs are what made Masomode hell for nohitters
tired haven
Albeit dodging is still useful, ye
thin shale
Exactly
void kelp
perma enraged yharon is just a mp desync bug lbr
wary flume
Yeah it sucks lmao
thin shale
Well, good thing that bug was fixed for now
tired haven
another half of the hell for nohitters is that terry fixes any ai weakness after the nohit was done 
thin shale
time to fight 5 yharons at once
queen sail
Programming 200 
hollow saffron
@glad kraken add more of a reason. WHY should they not twoshot you? Does this have to do with your skill level(e.g. dodge ) or are they random hits that you can't see coming or react to?
zenith hazel
that will be a thing next update @quartz hare
terse sundial
^
quartz hare
oh sry i didnt see this
distant gyro
the armor set bonus
lost agate
Literally a cooldown as a countdown to when you can use abyssal madness again
lost agate
If it was already made idk why it was flagged rather than deleted but eh
distant gyro
naive ferry
sorry
red spindle
🏁 means "the suggestion has been accepted and fully implemented". Some dev probably saw it and just did it or something
lost agate
No it was done beforehand
red spindle
Ah
hollow shell
We could have an emote for "already done" for more clarity
but, that may not be necessary
distant gyro
yea idk why it was flagged since it was put in changelogs like a week before
hollow shell
Alternatively I could change the description of what the flag means so it isnt as much of a direct result of the sugg
or we could just
delet the suggestion
... I think I'll do that one
lost agate
@worn forum equip an eclipse mirror
karmic stone
Demonshade is an all-class armor, none of which have ever had rogue stealth
worn forum
Oh I didn't realize that the eclipse mirror granted stealth regeneration @lost agate
Thanks for clearing that out
karmic stone
Also
best armour in the game
Subjective, most people prefer Auric Tesla byhea
lost agate
Fun fact actually
Demonshade doesnt have stealth of its own but it does allow to get some
karmic stone
o
lost agate
Try using a melee armor and you will see you cant gain stealth in any way
But multiclass allow to build stealth if you use an acc
karmic stone
So stealth+ but no stealth regen?
lost agate
No like
lost agate
Even if you grab an eclipse mirror
You wont get stealth with a mage, melee, ranged or whatever armor
karmic stone
Wacko
lost agate
So multiclass have that feature of not having stealth by themselves but allowing you to get some yourself
Actually is that mentioned in the wiki?
@opaque garnet already WIP, last update we put some fishies there so we are going somewhere
lost agate
Dunno
queen sail
@opaque garnet Soon™
gusty geode
That was the best typo I've ever seen up there
mossy shale
Make a mod called Calamity Mod
This mod would have a whole ton of new stuff, like bosses post-moonlord and lore.
wooden wedge
what if we made thorium mod too then?
terse sundial
please don't be overly memeish in this channel
queen delta
Why luminite in astral biome tho? Is it just to make that biome have more content?
mystic widget
Because it is space related
cosmic void
Fair
mystic widget
And the colors would fit well
karmic stone
AI comes from Noxus, Noxus was created by ML, ML drops Luminite
So it makes sense lore-wise, but I still find it unecessary
mostly because grinding ML is more fun than going mining
cosmic void
I imagine something different could go there, but it’s something underground I suppose
I mean
You can still grind ML
queen delta
I mean, I'd like two options
cosmic void
he doesn’t STOP dropping Luminite
mystic widget
Ok
queen delta
So it doesn't look like "astral needs more content, so lets shove some in there"
cosmic void
I would hope it gets its own ore or whatever, but the ore spawning in there post-ML gives incentive to go back
Dunno about “nobody likes to grind ML” but yeah
karmic stone
I've found farming ML right afterwards quite fun actually, so prolly don't let personal experience taint your sugma like that
hollow shell
@still cliff Description says "bouncing"
But, yeah decent suggestion
The wall-sliding bolts are unique but not very useful
still cliff
opaque garnet
Luninite spawning in astral is so smart please
hollow shell
What's the original @opal barn ?
opal barn
Type providence in community suggestions on the dev server,
hollow shell
Please link it
hollow shell
Sure
opal barn
hollow shell
mmm, I see
"alternatively"
Alright, thank you
quiet abyss
@unique owl No need to slap the words about nohit on there, those are issues present in regular fights as well.
There’s already only a handful of people that nohits, and some peeps may misunderstand your suggestion as mainly nohit-only issues.
unique owl
ah ok thanks for the help
i thought it'd be useful to mention since it's the reason prime took 2x as many tries as calamitas with the same gear.
hollow saffron
honestly skeletron is kinda annoying the way he spawns in
if you get caught in the head first thing you're dead
save and exit
and this isnt even when I try to nohit it
hollow shell
Skele's spawn seems like kind of an oversight, having a boss spawn instantly on an NPC that you have to be close enough to talk to
but it's been around since the very beginning
Never put any delay or animation on it, never made him spawn further away, nothin
unique owl
big iq play
sand umbra
a special anim for Skeletron's spawn would be god
and would also solve the problem of him instagibbing you when he spawns because of Clothier meme
karmic stone
Brb suggesting this to Dimensions
queen sail
Ah yes
Imagine trying to do a skeletron nohit and the game cucks you because he spawns right where the old man was
karmic stone
Also make it cancel EE's Skelly animation
-Someone probably
modern knoll
does using a clothier voodoo doll to kill the clothier at a distance spawn skeletron further away?
hollow shell
Alternatively, have it be an additional message rather than a replacement.
radiant meadow
is there a way to call on what specific thing killed you?
hollow shell
Yeah, you don't touch the default :P
sand umbra
Honestly, it confuses me that the message for Armageddon deaths, of all things, has never actually
told you what you've died to.
radiant meadow
why are you playing deathmode mage with armageddon though?
sand umbra
Why does anybody play Death Mode anything? Sheer, absolute boredom!
hollow idol
@ashen warren elaborate
ashen warren
Like the edible kind of cheese
proven tide
that's going to fall under meme suggestion
ashen warren
1 hour long well fed buff
brittle merlin
@zenith hazel meme suggest
proven tide
even if you're serious
hollow idol
specific item sug
radiant meadow
ye uh, this is interesting
ashen warren
how is it a meme aaaaa
hollow idol
so its a specific item sug so its automatically invalid
placid moth
You could argue that the sponge is a "cheese"
radiant meadow
well, it does fall under specific item suggestion which isn't allowed
ashen warren
@placid moth aight ima rename that
proven tide
well, you might be able to convince people that cheese isn't inherently a meme through a decent reason, but specifying cheese in the first place does make it specific
radiant meadow
and you add no reason that we should add a cheese item
ashen warren
blyat
cobalt rose
i really don't think you're taking this seriously.
karmic stone
"An item related to cheese" would be better
ashen warren
How am i not
hollow idol
well we had a verified suggestion about banana related items after the specific sug ban
radiant meadow
well, you made a suggestion in violation of the rules with no reasoning given or functionality
the suggestion is pointless as it stands now
queen delta
Please dont meme in suggestions
ashen warren
@karmic stone well fed buff
karmic stone
There are like 30 items that do the same thing
radiant meadow
^
ashen warren
radiant meadow
there's no point in adding cheese
ashen warren
how about 1 hour long
radiant meadow
hadal stew does give well fed for an hour
hard crescent
why would it have to be cheese tho
signal prairie
Hadal stew already does that
hard crescent
oh that too
ashen warren
vadim blyat stole the potatoes again
karmic stone
im being serious
Ye
cobalt rose
if you're being serious then why do you say shit like that
zenith hazel
I’m shooting it down regardless
signal prairie
Maybe have a set of food items that give an improved Well Fed buff, these being post-Plantera or post-Levi?
ashen warren
hard crescent
b u t w h y c h e e s e
radiant meadow
I don't see the need for additional power-ups
cobalt rose
dont give him valid reasons this is just honestly stupid
radiant meadow
especially since AS lore already boosts well fed
karmic stone
Other than more duration, there's not much to change without changing the actual buff
radiant meadow
please drop the meming on the cheese
zenith hazel
please don’t meme
radiant meadow
it's not funny
karmic stone
And making a buff that's basically well fed but somehow different would be considering how much slots suffer during those stages
cosmic void
My Abyss suggestion has reached 200 Stars, I am very pleased
hollow shell
Nice
lost agate
Nohits again
hollow shell
I was under the impression that no-hits weren't done in actual playthroughs
because of that aspect
unique owl
fair point
zenith hazel
people cheat in stuff for nohits anyway, most of the time
radiant meadow
^
zenith hazel
nohitting is still not a strong enough argument, regardless
radiant meadow
the recipe isn't meant to be cheap
unique owl
suppose i'm an isolated case then
zenith hazel
the game is balanced around normal pts
radiant meadow
the issue is that you're trying to play with armageddon
which is an extremely abnormal case
unique owl
either way though i'd still like to see a bunch of boss items become not consumable
zenith hazel
not to mention uncommon
radiant meadow
armageddon is intended to be used for farming earlier bosses
distant gyro
ye if you nohit just spawn in 9999 portabulbs btw
unique owl
but that's cheating and cheating is wrong
zenith hazel
yeah no one gives a shit about cheating in the nohit community lol
distant gyro
but that doesn't affect the outcome of a nohit
zenith hazel
we cheat stuff in all the time
distant gyro
no one really gives a shit if you cheat in a halibut as long as you're not melting bosses in 3 seconds with it
teal ibex
as nice as it would be to have a non-consumable portabulb it also kinda destroys plantera's identity
lost agate
Also, too many non consumables are bad
unique owl
true, though to be honest i never liked the whole thing either way
queen sail
What whole thing
lost agate
Deletes all grinding
unique owl
plantera's spawn
queen sail
Blame relogic
teal ibex
just ropescan
zenith hazel
but portabulb exists in calamity, which alleviates a lot of it
unique owl
yeah, also "something is coming" is helpful
queen sail
Also nonlinearity so
unique owl
annoying but helpful
radiant meadow
you might want to talk to frigid bars, true shadow scales, and blood samples then
queen sail
But at the same time I have flashbacks to 🛑 ➖🌀 never giving the goddamn arcanum of the void
hollow shell
Preferably make them require at least two defeats-worth of materials to craft
maybe even three
so that getting the drops directly from them actually still means something
hearty yew
@unique owl that armageddon suggestion is actually extremely valid
i never thought of that
that adding custom death messages actually removes useful information from the player
sand umbra
I think the thing of it is that in nearly every other case, the reason you get the custom message in the first place is a fixed variable
with Armageddon...the same message is given regardless of what you died from --- the information is solely that you died in the first place
radiant meadow
the reasoning is flawed though
sand umbra
which is. not exactly helpful in knowing what to do from there
radiant meadow
the intended use of armageddon is butchering earlier bosses
hollow shell
But that's not its only use
radiant meadow
if you're getting hit by something you can't see still, then the issue may be your gear isn't strong enough
cobalt rose
armageddon is useful for nohitters
hollow shell
Knowing what killed you in a no-hit is more valuable information than when not doing a no-hit
and yet the no-hit item removes that info from you
radiant meadow
except if you're nohitting, you're more often than not recording
and then you can review footage
hollow shell
That is
inconvenient
cobalt rose
yeah but why go throught that work
radiant meadow
I mean, I don't see it super inconvenient to have file explorer and Terraria open simultaneously
but I guess that might just be me
and from what it sounds like, Beep is trying to do a playthrough with Armageddon?
which is a big outlier from the norm and they seem to be basing their suggestions on that fact
hollow shell
ben plz
radiant meadow
(y'know, I think I'm just going to sleep because I'm actually exhausted)
hollow shell
(aight, gnight 👋 )
sand umbra
slep well 
fervent citrus
@teal ibex arent you that guy who beat SCal in 3 hours?
zenith hazel
keep this channel on topic please
he is but keep in mind to ask the right channel next time
zenith hazel
@drifting lark hallow already has a boss, her name’s providence
either way, no boss suggestions, read the suggestion don’ts doc in the pins next time before you post
zenith hazel
biome suggestions aren’t allowed either
teal ibex
i feel like there's a weirdly high influx of suggestion don'ts lately tbh, but maybe it's just me 
obtuse thicket
not just you, thats for sure 
tepid root
santa doesn't like this server 
bitter topaz
we've all been naughty boys and girls this year
void kelp
it spikes up when school breaks happen unsurprisingly
teal ibex
time to normalize #suggestions-voting bans 
actually speaking of suggestions i had an idea in mind, time to get banned
actually wait i think it would fall under specific items
teal ibex
i had the idea to introduce a utility item that allowed you to adjust moon-phases more elegantly than just hyperspamming cosmolight
because of all the arbitrarily moon-phase locked items and the potential to minmax fishing now that calamity is adding fishing rods and whatnot
signal prairie
I could see that, maybe reword it so it sounds less like a specific item
signal prairie
Yeah, like that
teal ibex
y'know what i have no qualms having absolute zero subtlety so i'll just post it like that LOL
teal ibex
i'm not breaking any rules smh it's not an item!!!
signal prairie
que butthurt fans "But it is!"
teal ibex
tbh though making moon phases manipulable and relevant to gameplay seems interesting to me
the first thing that came to mind is having special enemies in certain biomes during a certain moonphase, like some rare version of the atlas on a new moon
i have to imagine that would be a bit of a nightmare both technically and for design though so it's probably a bit overboard for an actual suggestion
lost agate
Some weapons like some of the biome blades actually change with moon phases, which is something but ofc its far from the best we could do
teal ibex
OH dude i didn't even know that that's sick
lost agate
Yeah i think omega biome blade and onwards do that?
Or was it from true biome blade dont remember
teal ibex
i'm just gonna... mention that in the suggestion... for leverage... 
tired haven
ma boi hec abusing boundaries, ic
lost agate
Imma go refresh my mind to know what im talking about
lost agate
Oh fuck me
teal ibex
shucks how could you
lost agate
Its 6 in the morning oke
lost agate
:cri:
But still think something like "high moon rod" where if there is a full moon your fishing power goes bonkers would be a neat idea for example
tired haven
the fishing power already goes bonkers with supreme tackle box alone
teal ibex
tru but that's hardmode now
lost agate
Thats from hm now ya know
lost agate
Or well it doesnt have to be only fishing power
teal ibex
yeah i'd really just like to see it used for more stuff in general
instead of just "werewolves"
lost agate
We have a rod that shits out 12 bobbers, we could do smth else
lost agate
Harhar
teal ibex
that'd be hilarious though
Glitched Fishing Rod
Casts 2 item frames into the water. Catches will be duplicated.
tired haven
If you catch the same stackable fish*
teal ibex
LOL yeah i totally forgot
tired haven
Double things
worthy fiber
double cod
lost agate
(reads very fast) disclaimer, side effects may or may not include.glitching, game breaking, file corrupting, brain damage, losing your wife and kids, and possibly death
teal ibex
killing the wall of flesh will actually destroy the fishing rod
just like it destroys duping stations
lost agate
That happens?
teal ibex
yeah the world update also updates the item frames i think
so it gets borked and you have to remake it
lost agate
Yike
clear basin
Interesting
hollow shell
They don't?
oof
karmic stone
Actually, is there any reason why this isn't a thing in vanilla
worthy fiber
Vanilla being silly
hollow shell
Ranged has ammos to do the job flasks do
Magic I guess because it's more varietous n' versatile?
Summoner's shit outta luck
karmic stone
Summoner
placid moth
Douse the minions in ichor
hollow shell
@supple lodge I'd appreciate at bit more reasoning to that.
I understand it, but you don't actually have much in the way of a reason written aside from "it'd make sense"
karmic stone
10 sexonds of Ichor is really good ye
night cradle
They do, yes
night cradle
wdym?
night cradle
and flasks count towards these, yes
ashen warren
iirc its 22
silk surge
Also if flasks effects other weapons they really shouldn't effect magic
Magic is already versitile enough
Melee had flasks because they didn't have a lot of effects in vanilla.
placid moth
Was there a mod that removed the cap for buffs/debuffs
hollow shell
Yes
karmic stone
Lan's Unlimited Buff slots or something along the lines of that
Also wrong channel (?)
lost agate
Summoner has golden gun
hollow shell
All classes have Golden Gun
lost agate
Yeah but summoner takes special use of golden gun
Since no penalty
And having everything be affected by flask would just cause a flask meta with all other inflicters barely mattering
Why use ichor bullets when flask, why use golden shower, everglade or liquidifier when flask
Would be too convenient and the reasoning only being "cuz rogue is affected" is eh
We could just make a debuffer rogue weapon and not do that
hollow shell
Jarate
queen sail
:echthink:
hollow shell
Which was actually planned but never made it for some reason
silk surge
Jarate is just golden gun
lost agate
Tha hell is jarate
lost agate
Ah
But anyway, the reasoning just really throws me off and it would just be a pain in the ass balance wise
karmic stone
That multiplies damage reduces defense
cosmic void
A debuffing Throwing weapon in the form of Jarate would be good
Mostly because I want to throw a giant splash of 'ichor' at people
tired haven
Consecrated Water upgrade tbh ngl
loud steeple
Actually, I wouldn't mind jarate to be in the mod
cosmic void
Crafted with a Bottle and 5 Ichor
At any Toilet tile
I would Suggest it, but I know most suggestions need to kind of have a purpose. And they don't really like specific weapons either
glacial lagoon
i want a throwing brick upgrade
karmic stone
At any Toilet tile
Pffft
tepid root
piss jar
opaque garnet
Crab boy
hollow shell
well then
I would be happy to see that suggestion expanded beyond 6 words
ashen warren
@gray grotto
gray grotto
What other explanation is needed? There are fountains in vanilla terraria that change the water color of the area, so it would make sense for there to be an astral infection one
cosmic void
I guess just
hollow shell
Mention vanilla consistency in your suggestion
cosmic void
In a literal sense, talk about everything you can
gray grotto
okay
cosmic void
Talk about the other fountains, so having one of the AI would make sense. Mention where you'll buy it
"Add a fountain that makes water pink just like in the Astral Infection. It would be obtained just like any other fountain, via purchase. But only after the biome itself is created. Every other biome has a water-color fountain, and it would only make sense for the AI biome to follow. Plus pink water is pretty"
hollow shell
Alright that is better now
A bit awkward but beyond 6 words.
gray grotto
Thanks for letting me know that it wasn't clear
ashen warren
Give recipes to Yharon phase 1 recipes
Most of the weapons Yharon drops after phase 1 are recommended for fighting phase 2, however now that Yharon phase 2 activates after killing a darksun Mothron it can be easy to accidentally lose the chance to fight phase 1 again without realising it. It would be nice if crafting recipes were given to the phase 1 weapons so that they are readily available for fighting phase 2, I wont give specific recipes but generally they'd probably use darksun fragments and effulgent feathers.
Ideas?
hollow shell
recipes to recipes
cosmic void
Sounds like a bad pun on "Reception"
sand umbra
aw, come on, don't give me bad recipetion
hollow shell
This is indeed an issue which has been brought up before
I don't think making them craftable is the most elegant solution, I've heard better ideas, but it would solve the problem
sand umbra
I'm just crafting a theory here
sand umbra
summoner has it the worst ye
cosmic void
Angry Papyrus noises
Are we still lynching people for mentioning Undertale
sand umbra
since nuggets are basically necessary to keep up with progression tbf
hollow shell
yes, die
cosmic void
Drats
hollow shell
nah that weapon's after Yharon
sand umbra
lost agate
Like, melee has like 3 weapons from darksun
Mage has like 3-4 i think
Rogue, not as many but theres eclipse fall
And for ranged, well onyxia can hold on just fine
sand umbra
ranger has Onyx meme 3 and knuckles, ye
lost agate
So only really summoner has this issue
Which would be fixed by making a darksun summon not some weird drop recipe
sand umbra
sun spirit staff 3 and knuckles when
hollow shell
Are Provvy's guardians supposed to be keeping up with her?
I thought they just tried to attack you
Except the Healer
lost agate
I mean
sand umbra
to be entirely frank, summoner needs a way to keep up, and what better way than to introduce a third weapon in a line already based around the sun?
it'd work better if ML's drops actually had any fucking thing to do with the moon but we'll work with what we have for now
lost agate
Healer is the support, it should be taking you on
teal ibex
they used to and then i got mad because i didn't use piercing and the fight was impossible
and then i complained and they got slowed down
they still closely follow prov's pathing, but from further away generally afaik
which generally is why i also disagree with this suggestion
lost agate
well what do you even want out of guardians lmao
teal ibex
i mean they can guard her without sticking inside of her hitbox at all times 
teal ibex
i mean yeah, if we're being frank it's almost entirely a catch 22
every solution has a downside
i personally find the current one to be the least negative impacting
dense ferry
I don't if is my resolution or what, but I never came to see they
clear basin
Can we bring back this suggestion because this shit was fire
hollow shell
No, specific.
clear basin
Yeah ik
lost agate
(btw lil offtopic but my cat just scratched my leg and it hurts)
teal ibex
it's not your resolution, i personally lose them sometimes to. i keep track of where prov moves and just shot behind her until my shots land the healing guardian
clear basin
Unfortunately yeah it’s specific and very dated
dense ferry
Understood
lost agate
its just flak kraken with titanium railgun slapped into it fsr
both of which wouldnt help with p2
potent veldt
Kind of, yeah
clear basin
Yeah but it’s cool so that’s lit
potent veldt
Both projectiles are questionable, especially against Yharon
So slapping both on the same weapon doesn't really fix either
clear basin
Still cool
lost agate
i dont see how its cool
clear basin
Because those are 2 classic weapons
clear basin
that don’t have upgrades yet
hollow shell
Literally no other reasons . _o
hollow shell
Completely purposeless cuz it's an invalid suggestion now
raven shoal
I only wish the healing guardian would be easier to target instead of always hiding behind providence
cosmic steeple
Make summon objet to Grand Scale
I mean , an boss item summoning with the rand scale , because a lot of people don't beat the Great Sand Shark because he's praticly useless
lost agate
literally sandnado staff and tumbleweed
hollow shell
That doesn't seem like the best idea considering Calamity loves removing requisites on progression
lost agate
well you dont really kill cnidrion for a summoning item
for example
or you dont actually need to kill sand elemental for summoning items either
so....
cosmic steeple
But with they drop , we can make some powerfull item
hollow shell
So, the solution is to buff GSS's drops, isn't it?
lost agate
sandnado staff hits like truck
tumbleweed is very good also
so i dont see how thats really neccesary
cosmic steeple
Or just make than sandnado staff is in the craft for an other best item further in the progression
lost agate
sandnado is one of the best summons post duke
hollow shell
(Have you used GSS's weapons, Emy?)
cosmic steeple
Yeah , sometime
lost agate
how long ago
cosmic steeple
How long ago mean ?
hollow shell
GSS's drops may have been buffed since you last used them
As in, better than you remember
lost agate
if you tried them like a year ago, youre very much outdated
cosmic steeple
Maybe
left crest
duststorm in a bottle is good fwih as well as sandnado
lucid marsh
I had an idea for an item that’s an upgrade to the cosmilite and I want help fleshing it out. Basically it would be an all in one item or placeable object to change all time based events.
I’m thinking to make it feel the coolest and not be too OP, it should be placeable
Consider a magic planet model thing, like a floating globe, sun, and moon, with a constellation pattern of magic floating behind it.
Right clicking it would open up a unique UI that lets you drag the sun and moon to certain positions. Dragging the sun changes the time of day or night, dragging the moon in relation to the sun’s position determines what events are occurring. For example putting the moon in front of the sun makes a solar eclipse happen, dragging the moon exactly opposite the sun makes a blood moon happen, and there could be separate buttons to trigger other sun/moon events and moon phase. It could also act as a unique clock displaying the sun and moon as the hours and minutes hand. After one full day and night from being changed, it could return the positions to normal, or make them drift slowly back to normal
lucid marsh
True
It could be simplified and just be time sliders and a checkbox
And keep the hour-minute sun-moon thing, plus a unique visual position thing for eclipses and blood moons
Oh and other moon events I guess
I was also thinking checking a night event box at day would trigger the event the next night, and day event at night (solar eclipse) would trigger the next day instead
There could also be a checkbox for making time loop and skip nights or skip days for eternal nights/days
hollow shell
Yeah it sounds cool but you sure as hell ain't suggesting it in that state
hollow shell
Specificity, xb.
lucid marsh
Yeah I’m posting here to get advice on specifics
Oh yeah also a checkbox to trigger the selected events every day/night or just once
hollow shell
I mean that it's way too specific
lucid marsh
Oh
Ok how’s this sound?
A placeable upgrade to the cosmolite and some other items (post moon is probably best) which allows you to set the exact time of day, and all (or most) time-based events, including moon phase, blood moon, and solar eclipse. Visually it could appear as a magic globe with a sun and moon floating around it, and the sun and moon could act as hour and minute hands on a clock. There could also be other options in it’s UI that let you make it always day, always night, or speed up/slow down time or something like that.
hollow shell
The problem here is that you're suggesting that some specific item with a specific appearance and functions be added to the game
And you haven't provided reasons for why this and all of its certain features would be beneficial to the mod or better than what we have now
lucid marsh
Ah good point
hollow shell
Description of its appearance should be tossed
lucid marsh
Ok
hollow shell
And it doesn't need to be placeable, necessarily
Because that's not an integral part of its concept/function,
which is a single consolidated item of all the time-changers and day-event-activators
raven shoal
It might be easier to just make it your own mod
hollow shell
... nah that definitely wouldn't be "easier"
It would ensure that it gets in exactly as he wants
but hoo boy it'd require a lot of effort to do so
lucid marsh
Yeah there’s no way I can make this myself
Alright how’s this sound:
A consolidation of all time event triggering items that could be a placeable object to not be too OP. It would likely need to have it’s own UI to fit all the functions in, but if it did it would be much easier to use. Also, if it’s placeable, perhaps it could have a special looking visual appearance that doubles as a clock you don’t need to click on?
This would be useful to not flood one’s inventory with items like the cosmolite and blood moon medallions, and it would also be just a nice quality of life in general.
hollow shell
It's still a bit specific (you can tell it's leanin towards a certain vision) but much better than before
civic pond
...what
foggy grove
cyan lagoon
@mint steppe can you explain why you want Plantera to do something like this?
Not that i think the ai will handle it
fervent zealot
i think he's saying let plant hook onto air or platforms
probably as some form of anticheese
mint steppe
but the sky?
cyan lagoon
Plantera will be enraged by then
civic pond
i think it already has an anti cheese
cyan lagoon
Unless you destroy your entire jungle save for a small patch
runic heath
If you’re fighting plantera on the surface then the boss is already enraged
gusty geode
I imagine it's to prevent people from being inhumanly petty and making a tiny patch of wall for Plant to hang onto and no walls anywhere else so it can't move
mint steppe
yes
lost agate
why the +
mint steppe
add
ashen warren
what did he mean by this
gusty geode
Add the ability for Plantera hooks to attach to platforms or even just the air
hollow shell
who tf removed the exclamation on that
There's no content
What is even the suggestion
@mint steppe Please rewrite your suggestion so it's a lot more clear what it is you're suggesting
mint steppe
k
On the second face, he loses the ability to shoot in an arena where he cannot cling to either wall or blocks.
runic heath
Edit your suggestion
proven grotto
they could update sulphurous sea map color huh?
wooden wedge
wasn't that already a suggestion?
cobalt rose
^
wooden wedge
wide flicker
It was
hollow shell
Fixed already
cosmic void
Pics or probably happened but I want to see it early
radiant meadow
it looks like this
||https://i.gyazo.com/99bd6662125fe2442bedd08b10316e32.png||
silk surge
I regret being late to the party about the plantera suggestion because I'm super into that
If you remove the requirements for his hooks it would make fighting him a lot smoother.
silk surge
Not everyone has english as their mother language.
distant gyro
Not me either but I digress