Do you have a problem with summons
#suggestions-discussion
stray portal
hollow saffron
ok summoner
lost agate
Only that theyre very complex to make
queen delta
Yeah
lost agate
Not only that
hollow saffron
and if they summon projectiles it adds to the complexity too
AND you have to code how many slots they take up
queen delta
I mean, you could just copy and paste other AI, but if theyre an upgrade, they'd be too slow/weak for that tier
stray portal
I get that. I have tried to do it myself
queen delta
See: old sand sharknadoes
hollow saffron
lol
stray portal
But all this is why it is so under developed and why I feel like it needs an overhaul
lost agate
Well how do you overhaul that
cobalt rose
"you just do"
hollow saffron
Honestly I would suggest implementing summoning focus from RLCraft, but its kinda complex, Idk how it works, and all weapons would require it
lost agate
RL what now
stray portal
Add accessories and armor that will help to develop the gameplay of a summoner
hollow saffron
RLCraft also gives minions different modes(attack, defense, wander) so its even more complex
RLCraft is a Minecraft modpack thats super hard apparently
cobalt rose
but thats minecraft 
lost agate
Well uh
hollow saffron
Like you cant punch trees to get wood
@cobalt rose My point still stands about the summoning focus stuff, but ye it might be hard to code
cobalt rose
i mean, a summoner weapon that would damage enemies and make them take more damage from minions near your cursor would be cool
hollow shell
His suggestion is general
but, I think that's okay
If nothing else it'd just reinforce public demand for more summoner content, if delivered.
hollow saffron
now we need to keep track of where the cursor is and add it to minions 
stray portal
I like hearing that other people age with me about summoners needing an overhaul
hollow saffron
"you should make an update">literally every minecrafter talking about caves
also ye it is very general
cobalt rose
im sort of imagining like a flak kraken type weapon effect, actually
hollow shell
ehh
hollow saffron
so the minions always stay near your cursor
excuse me but people sometimes have different screen sizes and on a smaller screen Scal will stay offscreen more often>there goes that idea>
cobalt rose
no, it just makes enemies in the radius take damage and also take more damage from your minions
hollow shell
Like Thorium's Blood Boil
hollow saffron
idk what that is
hollow shell
It's that.
cobalt rose
and flak kraken, like i mentioned
hollow shell
Yeah it's the same effect but they do it through different means
Bloodboil's a bit more of a direct comparison
hollow saffron
oh i see lol
hollow shell
Thorium also has (had?) support staffs that buffed shit that was in radius of your cursor
and we do have that in the form of Momentum Capacitor, for Rogue
could work.
stray portal
I know this would be rediculously hard to code but what if you made a companion minion that you Simon and it does a lot more damage than a regular minion but it has health
It is just an idea
hollow shell
Good question
hollow shell
You could probably try coding your own damage system for it
hollow shell
It's a balance thing
More effective minion but now you gotta worry about its health
It works.
hollow saffron
ok thanos sounds like its hard to code
hollow shell
Prolly
cobalt rose
having to resummon them means that summoners might actually have to worry about mana
stray portal
This would be a cool addition to summoners
hollow saffron
because minions have no health so you would have to create an entirely new directory containing code on minions health, how they take damage, if bosses can target them or not, etc
would you have to rewrite boss AI so they can attack minions??
hollow shell
That could be possible
but, likely unnecessary
If the minions health is low enough it'd likely die in the crossfire or in attempts to deal damage
hollow saffron
crossfire i never thought of how that could backfire
stray portal
Brb
sand umbra
Sometimes I really wish Summoner was basically Pokemon.
hollow shell
Making its own health really could be as simple as having a local variable on the projectile that gets subtracted by the damage value of an enemy or projectile it touches, with an "i-frame" cooldown on when it will take damage again
sand umbra
You have your minions, but you can level them up to make them more effective as minions so they die less, do more damage, potentially do something new, etc.
hollow saffron
make enemies be able to attack minions
hollow shell
and I'm pretty sure there's a relatively simple way to pop up damage numbers or status messages above something
I've seen a few mods do it
hollow saffron
^
vocal grotto
It wouldn't be too annoying to code
vocal grotto
Just create a dictionary with all minions and their respective boosts per player
queen sail
sand umbra
The most annoying thing, really, would be balancing it.
vocal grotto
^
hollow saffron
summons do more damage the less health they have
but they attack less often
because death throes
stray portal
So what I heard from this is it is possible
stray portal
Hmmm. If I knew how to mod decently I would try and do it myself
I have really wanted to learn to create Terraria mods but I am really bad at it
Just out of curiosity do you think that a potential summoner update is possible
stray portal
I like to think if myself as funny
hollow shell
It's possible
I wouldn't say it's all too likely
We've got a lot of other stuff on our plates
stray portal
That is understandable. I hope journeys end will help satisfy my hunger for better summoners
left solstice
sly stratus
Well I'm just here, glad that my suggestion giving the revolver an upgrade is approved.
Still wonder where the "upgrade" would be craftable tho.
placid girder
what if hooks got the same treatment as wings so it isnt like bat hook is the only hook that exists for the whole game
tired haven
Might be a tad op given hooks use up separate slot rather than accessory
And even in case of bat hook there isn't too much utility you get from one naturally, so even minor non-hook stat buffs on worse hook may end up better
Meanwhile wings are vital for the most part and their stats actually affect the way you play a lot
radiant meadow
bat hook isn't the only hook that exists because it's extraordinarily obscure and rare to obtain
99% of people will not purposely try and farm for it unless it's in some fargo enchantment
that's kinda a borderline meme suggestion ngl
worthy fiber
Yep
hollow idol
that grammar hurts
radiant meadow
@sage mulch please don't make meme suggestions like that. If you really want a new death message, I recommend you discuss it in this channel first
distant gyro
"<PlayerName> was consumed by his/her inner hatred." is better yea
meme suggestions
worthy fiber
Calamity rarely uses Chlorophyte 🤔
distant gyro
the only occasion you need a billion pieces of chlorophyte is drill containment unit
proven tide
on top of that, a quick ancient fossil + spelunking potion + pickaxe axe + mining pot build will let you shred the place
distant gyro
which is like lol
proven tide
i don't see much of a need for it
quartz hare
chlorophyte slime
sand umbra
see, if Chloro were actually necessary for a wide variety of things in Clam, I'd see more of a reason for it
but right now it just seems to be a QoL change more than anything
(and tbf, if you're smart about it Chlorophyte is already renewable for as long as you can keep up a Mud Block supply)
distant gyro
yea
even in vanilla I managed to get a full stack of chlorophyte before I managed to find a temple
(which took roughly 1 hour 
)
tired haven
Ambrosial ampoule makes digging chlorophyte a simple task
distant gyro
quartz hare
ashen warren
i just made an amazing suggestion 10/10 quality
sand umbra
See, like.
Is Chlorophyte renewable? In the grand scheme of things, not 100%, as its only way of being renewable relies on a non-renewable item.
Does it seriously need to be? No, because it's really barely used for anything and the total amount you need is easily gathered anyway.
Would I personally like it to be? ...sorta? since things that take Chlorophyte may be added in the future.
placid moth
@ashen warren wait why
ashen warren
to inform the player
quartz hare
where's rune?
ashen warren
whatever if you have rune on it will show up you get the point
cyan lagoon
@tough lark i think the reason might be obvious but can you explain why you want this changed in your suggestion?
teal ibex
its quite weird to give a lore item an effect that doesnt work for the only remaining challenge in the game
lost agate
Or that it barely has anything to do with the item
Oh dear, another "for subclass runs" suggestions
void kelp
but why do we need another melee weapon.
lost agate
I mean, the problem is that theres a lot of broadswords, not melee weapons as a whole
zealous ridge
the focus on broadswords has really neutered the melee class in all honesty
At least in cal
lost agate
Well, we have only like 2 melee weapons for scal that arent patreon
And shortswords as a whole do feel kinda undeveloped
Even when theres an entire use style for them
placid moth
How do you use shortswords
lost agate
With your mouse
foggy kindle
zealous ridge
I always thought the use style was just a tutorial
lost agate
Tutorial?
zealous ridge
in vanilla at the very least
lost agate
Well, they abandoned shortswords quickly
zealous ridge
indeed
lost agate
Even after taking their time to make an entire useStyle
3 i think it was
In code that is
zealous ridge
there are like 8 short swords and all of them are ore swords with barely differing stats
Either it’s a relic from a bygone age or it’s meant to suck, so to speak
At least by vanillas terms
lost agate
Well at least calam makes shortswords not suck as much
Be it by raw dmg or projectiles
Anywho, i think i would like more shortswords, not because subclass runs, but because they are just a thing that could go to so many places but hasnt
zealous ridge
basing your suggestion off of the fact that it would be nice to use that subclass exclusively isn’t really a strong reason in any case
I think the class has some potential in calamity though
I mean it’s a step in the right direction
void kelp
100%; a reason that’s just “because subclass” isn’t really a strong reason
but if it were, say “because shortswords could be expanded on”
hollow shell
@unborn fossil Subclass runs is not a valid reason to expand a subclass
Melee still has many options for you to use Post-ML
lost agate
Oh right, we gotta ping the guy
hollow shell
Because nobody looks in this channel after posting
lost agate
hollow shell
@tough lark You were pinged already but you do need to add a reason to your suggestion
tough lark
hollow shell
ok
cosmic void
Would posting multiple pictures relevant to my suggestion be allowed?
tired haven
You probably could try to combine them in one
(or, in extreme cases, create a doc to put as suggestion)
cosmic void
I'll attempt to create a Document then, thank you for the heads up
hollow shell
I appreciate the effort, you don't see that often
cosmic void
Thank you!
hollow shell
It's not the first Abyss overhaul suggestion we've gotten
but at least this one isn't disastrously complex and time-consuming
A series of adjustments more than anything
quick ice
It would also add some more purpose to the bottom layer based on those tiny caves down there
cosmic void
That's what I was going for. Less reworking it, but more so building upon what would already be generated
quick ice
Having extra chests would be cool and give Bobbit worms an area to spawn
sand umbra
now this, I can get behind
cosmic void
I don't know how easy it would be to make them spawn there specifically, but I imagine even then they would spawn inside the new space provided
sand umbra
a nice Abyss gen overhaul that, instead of replacing shit completely, just builds upon what already exists and actually more than likely makes it even more spooky
(which I think is a good thing, given the intended feel of the biome as a whole)
cosmic void
I am very happy that you guys are enjoying it so far. I am glad the 'building upon' aspect is appreciated
sand umbra
you have earned a star. cherish it, for they are difficult to garner in this day and age
not really but you get the point, I wholeheartedly support this happening
cosmic void
❤️
quick ice
Yeah so looking at it right now, the only problem I have is that the new abyss opening is far too large and takes up too much of the already small floor of the Sulphorous Sea
frosty kindle
I mean any part of the abyss overhaul suggestion can be interchanged, and i like all of these ideas
cosmic void
Yeah, for sure the opening can be a LITTLE smaller. The shape is more interesting I think, but the size is workable as long as it's bigger than what it is now, I feel
foggy grove
I like this suggestion a ton, I tried to make an abyss redesign a while back but I could never come up with a good design for most of it. The only similarity is that the border surrounding the biome is the same in both of ours. Good job!
cosmic void
Giving the Sulphurous Sea floor some more 'use' in the form of the vents and sulphur crystals that could replace Coral. Could certainly make the opening slightly smaller
Also, thank you!
placid girder
tbh i think abyss islands should be changed in some way
sand umbra
Abyss islands having a bit more similarity to actual ocean things and the like would be neat
some of the chests could be in small alcoves or caves dotting the walls, or within small "shelves" I guess? jutting out from the walls
but that's probably a bit more complicated and for the moment I don't have the worldgen knowledge necessary to say for sure
lost agate
I struggled like fuck to put 9 tiles in one place sooo
If this happens im probably not the one to do it
cosmic void
Also I don't know how world generation works in depth, I should note. I do have a lot of respect for the people making these unique modded biomes happen
I put together a little something here
Perhaps that looks a little dense though
I just liked the idea of making the 'houses' a bit more like caves inside of outcrops
foggy grove
What if there were less central floating islands to make up for the larger side outcrops?
That way it's not too dense
Also I feel like the planty mush would look good growing along the bottoms of the outcrops instead of just in small patches
What tool are you using to do this?
hollow shell
@ashen warren You uhhh
You seen the Journey's End trailer yet?
cosmic void
MS Paint xP
foggy grove
oh xD
cosmic void
Just messing with the pixels of the mini-map
foggy grove
Honestly that's way smarter than the way I tried to do it
I actually rebuilt the abyss ingame 
cosmic void
Also I don't want to change the platforms ALL too much. Maybe for later, but for now I would just like some of the more lacking aspects touched up a little
Not looking to revamp the entire place at the moment :p
foggy grove
Ah ok
radiant meadow
it's not extremely difficult to dive into the abyss in early hm to hunt mirage jellies
foggy grove
Jellyfish statue
EZ
ashen warren
what are the odds of getting that one specific statue
karmic stone
Ye but Jellys constantly go up once spawned, with good gear for underwater exploring and abyss stealth you shouldn't have much problems
devout seal
Plus, if you have Thorium, blue jellies still spawn in the biome it adds.
ashen warren
thats not a plus
lost agate
Dont giant squids get stuck on blocks?
karmic stone
They do
If you have Thorium
"[X] mod solves that" is not a valid argument 95% of the time
foggy grove
👀
lost agate
I mean "x mod solves that" is valid when its a QoL thing we have no real reason to do
Cuz just imagine if calamity had all QoL to exist
But to be able to get our content, yeah not so valid
sand umbra
...actually, yeah, a way to get Mana Jelly in early Hardmode easily would be nice
radiant meadow
so basically make it craftable with the rock
radiant meadow
but how do you propose making it obtainable?
sand umbra
one potential way would be to make blue jellyfish actually fucking spawn in Hardmode
since it's been an issue for a while that Green Jellyfish (at least seem to...?) completely override Blue Jellyfish spawns for no reason whatsoever
another potential idea would be to craft it with an empty bottle, a fuckton of gel (or some Purified Gel if you'd rather), and a Mana Crystal at a Crystal Ball
karmic stone
(at least seem to...?)
They completely do iirc, which is
sand umbra
yeah that's really 
lost agate
Also really weird that a blue jellyfish isnt in the ocean
sand umbra
you'd think the fucking ocean would have
a wider variety of jellyfish
karmic stone
P I N K
radiant meadow
I can probably make blue jellyfish spawn
the same way I made enchanted nightcrawlers spawn in the astral infection
sand umbra
radiant meadow
crafting recipe falls out of line compared to the other ways of obtaining the jellies
sand umbra
that's fair.
radiant meadow
should blue jellies be limited to sunken sea or be everywhere like normal?
sand umbra
everywhere, probably
quick ice
They wouldn’t fit the Sunken Seas lighter-blue/dark grayish-green color palette
cosmic void
I feel like Blue Jellyfish should spawn in higher up caves, and Green Jellyfish should be spawning deeper
quick ice
Both could also spawn in the ocean
cosmic void
Or maybe the Sea King can sell you something to spawn some Jellyfish
You know, building off that. It would be kinda cute to have like, a little packet bag that you consume by throwing the powder into water and it becomes little Jellyfish hatchlings
quick ice
Also, it would be cool if we got Angler Fish and Frogfish as level 1-2 Abyss enemies, since Angler fish generally live in deeper waters where it’s darker (Like the Abyss)
cosmic void
Ones that you can catch in the Bug Net and get bait
frail mantle
suggesting to re-add old content is in the Don'ts iirc
radiant meadow
@rugged ember you're not allowed to suggest re-adding old content
rugged ember
Oh.
cosmic void
That and because I like it
cosmic void
I like the novelty of it
radiant meadow
not going to add any new items just for mana jelly
cosmic void
Granted, it's mostly a novelty item. It's not really for mana jelly since they would be "Baby Jellyfish"
quick ice
just realized, the Mirage Jelly drops Mana jelly
so there's that, and honestly you could give Box Jellyfish the ability to drop mana Jelly since they're not good for anything at all currently
cosmic void
I'm curious to see how many people would be interested in the inclusion of such a small, self-contained thing. It's not a huge addition, but at the same time I want to let my other suggestion breathe a bit
quick ice
small items that don't add anything important to the game don't need to be suggested
alright, just figured I should ask this here before spending time making a big suggestion about it
Should I make a suggestion about rearranging a bunch of the Abyss Enemies spawn areas, and is it even worth it? It would essentially be more suggestions like the one I just made about the Devil fish and Chaotic Puffer, so while it's not very important I feel like it would help some Abyss enemies be more of a threat AND have them be a threat in a more suitable place
radiant meadow
so like the royal gel effect?
still cliff
Yes
hollow shell
Can you uhh
reword that first sentence
radiant meadow
just keep in mind that this cannot have other modded slime support
hollow shell
Well
radiant meadow
that implies changing the recipe
ruby cobalt
there, fixed it
ruby cobalt
I'm not the one fixing the suggestion anyways, he should have a better idea of what he's suggesting
radiant meadow
because vanilla is dumb and doesn't have a royal gel bool, you're on your own dealing with slimes of other mods
ruby cobalt
god bless redcode
hollow shell
Well making the armor Expert+ isn't the best idea
quick ice
Alright folks, here's a massive Abyss-Redistribution of content document that I created
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BXlAMgyEdUALX8owKUKYDb9cfY1-n25hTtwk8WXypvU/edit?usp=sharing
also yeah, making it expert+ Locks the content away from normal-mode people
hollow shell
(try not to send a bunch of short messages like this)
radiant meadow
just do add the effect
quick ice
the effect
hollow shell
Just making Statigel Armor have an inherent slime-immunity effect is fine
still cliff
Ok
radiant meadow
it won't ever go into the recipe
still cliff
Thx
radiant meadow
I won't allow it
hollow shell
lol
radiant meadow
hollow shell
These Abyss move suggestions are okay
still cliff
Ok i think that im ok now
hollow shell
I don't agree with taking Deep Sea Dumbell off of Reaper Shark because that kills the whole joke
radiant meadow
it's also a patron item
quick ice
the Deep-Sea Dumbell is part of a joke?
radiant meadow
that's what they wanted
hollow shell
It's because the Reaper Shark has big buff arms
ruby cobalt
have you seen their arms?
quick ice
oh, gotcha
still cliff
He is a buff boi
quick ice
the main suggestions that I wanted to get through from this document are the Devil Fish and Chaotic Puffer changes, the Giant Squid and the Luminous Corvina since they're the most impactful
radiant meadow
what would be a more fitting enemy for ink bomb?
hollow shell
Giant Squid, he says it later
radiant meadow
don't cuttlefish like spew out ink just like squids?
hollow shell
(it could be mentioned in the Cuttlefish paragraph)
and yes, they do
It could drop from both.
Lower chance from Cuttlefish
quick ice
that'd work, I'll change that now
radiant meadow
dropping from both enemies would be better
or even colossal squid
but removing it from cuttlefish wouldn't make sense since they do have ink
hollow shell
Nah not Colossal
I mean, you could include it for fittingnesses sake and no other, like Blank Ink
quick ice
I thought of that, but most people only kill the Colossal Squids Post-ML
still cliff
Is there any mount that allows u do breath underwater?(irrelevant question)
hollow shell
Colossal's way further in tier for the point where you'd need Ink Bomb
No I don't think there are water-breathing mounts, but there are a few that get boosted in water
still cliff
The onyx drill
radiant meadow
ye, I kinda meant like black ink
radiant meadow
much like how everyone farms maulers to get shark fins
still cliff
That would be a small detail
E.g. lose your breath less faster when u have this mount on
hollow shell
Who would be using Onyx Drill underwater?
I mean, I guess there are water-filled caves
but it's already kinda got enough going for it
still cliff
Or any glass-surrounded mount
hollow shell
If anyone wants to implement it as like a small touch
weak Diving Helmet effect
then, sure, I guess
still cliff
Im just sayin
quick ice
also, would moving the Depth* Blade from the Shark to the Devilfish, toxic Minnow and Luminious Corvina be a good suggestion to add to the document?
it never made sense to me that a weapon named after the Abyss is dropped by an Ocean enemy
hollow shell
I would like to move the Depth Blade to an upper-level Abyss enemy yes
radiant meadow
also, I disagree with buffing cuttlefish
those wall-phasers are annoying little fucks
which is why they got a stat nerf in the past iirc
hollow shell
Viperfish is my go-to for who it should drop from instead though
radiant meadow
not to mention cuttlefish are aggressive from like the get-go
ruby cobalt
move it to the most annoying enemies and call it a day
coincidentally those are viperfishes and cuttlefishes
hollow shell
@quick ice Include a summary in the message
So people know what it is before they click (apart from the title)
radiant meadow
also, some of the paragraphs need to be cleaned up
reaper shark still mentions removing dumbbell
cuttlefish still mentions a stat buff
and the giant squid title is missing a word and the paragraph still assumes ink bomb is removed from cuttlefish
quick ice
fixed all of that, anything else?
hollow shell
Good fixes
I'm glad you're actually bothering because many people either don't or they half-ass it
radiant meadow
Angler Fish can spawn in the surface jungle iirc
some nice deeper waters right there 
quick ice
oh yes, very deep
I originally wanted to add the Frogfish and the Anglerfish to layers 1 and 2, but the anglerfish would be aggrovated automatically so I figured that would be a bad idea
ruby cobalt
eh, angler fishes in layer 1 don't seem that bad
everyone flat out either ignores the layer, or it would be a good annoyance
hollow shell
Real life Frogfish actually don't hang out that deep at all
The lowest depths they go to aren't even halfway down the Surface layer of the ocean
quick ice
true, I just put them in there since they were a type of Angler fish
I could cut them out and leave the Anglerfish if you think that's more fitting
hollow shell
You could flip the zones that Angler and Frog appear in
the former being 1 and 2, the latter only being 1
mellow bay
there is a recent suggestion with 90 stars
queen sail
Patience is a virtue
Also yes I support an Abyss gen rework
Atm it’s “Blank emptiness -> actual Abyss -> blank emptiness again -> the really weird bottom”
And the fact that the Abyss’ very bottom is rectangular never stood right with me
lost agate
sometimes theres no blank emptiness at the beggining
mellow bay
pretty much that
lost agate
cuz worldgen is good
mellow bay
there is a deep fall
queen sail
How can you say that the player should go to Layer 1 in prehm if there is none
Big question moments :echthink:
quick ice
it's funny how with World-Gen, you won't actually be rendered inside the abyss until you're in Layer 2
hollow shell
(that's old smh)
cosmic void
That suggestion is mine!
karmic stone
My sugma hit 90 stars btw, thanks and goodb ye
cosmic void
I don't know if the "Layer" thing with the Abyss will apply exactly to the shelves or not
mellow bay
my 3 one aren't getting stars anymore 
versed mica
I end up getting deep into the abyss without even getting close to running out of air
hollow shell
ok
ashen warren
i used it in the calamitas fight and is not very useful
karmic stone
Isn't this too specific?
It's changing a weapon to what you just said, may as well make an specific item sugg right?
civic pond
i dont think its too specific tho
ashen warren
only works nearby enemies
civic pond
im unsure
karmic stone
Post Clone and for big enemies sounds really juicy for Leviathan
Haven't tried it though, if it's good for her, it shouldn't be changed then
karmic stone
You're obviously going to use something else for Siren, that's why you bring multiple weapons for each fight
zealous ridge
typhons greed works wonders against plant
karmic stone
Like being Rogue, using Duststorm for Levi and Radiant Star for Siren
zealous ridge
i havent tried in most recent update, but it is a great choice for her
ashen warren
im talking about melee
karmic stone
Like
zealous ridge
radiant star is like multiple tiers above post plant
but i guess the point still stands
hollow shell
Wording/grammar is quite questionable but the suggestion itself is aight
ashen warren
my english need works
hollow shell
The suggestion is understandable, but yes, indeed
radiant meadow
it eats plant iirc
zealous ridge
typhons greed is great against plant because typhons is good when you're circling , which is basically the strategy for plant
karmic stone
radiant star is like multiple tiers above post plant
Ok so I just looked them up and I was thinking about Stellar Knife
zealous ridge
aha
there ya go
better
i can see stellar working against siren kind of
but in any case, i think typhons is fine
as it stands
however, this idea of channeling the water spirits and calling them to a specific position
i actually do like
hallow kraken
Greed is pretty good against plantera
elder mist
I don't get the 'only typhoon's contact damage is useful' either because like, typhoon's greed is probably the best and most consistent melee weapon vs plont 
lost agate
Floodtide can work too but idk how it is in comparison
hollow saffron
typhons greed has homing projectiles that home on the player
just circle plont and the projectiles will hit it eventually
queen sail
Like, what are they gonna do
hollow saffron
me: attack, my minions! the projectiles: sure, maybe later tho
like bruh
most of the time it forces you to stay close to an enemy
its like mobaura but it only works 50% of the time
queen sail
Like the first time Exoblade came out (first instance of player-homing projectiles) I kept reading "homes in on the player" and because i thought it was supposed to home in on enemies and they fucked up somehow
Then i realized that, no, it really does home in on the player
hollow saffron
oof
queen sail
For some reason
hollow saffron
well at least in the exoblade's case the projectiles only home after a little bit
queen sail
Testers and Devs, explain the reasoning behind projectiles that home in on the player
hollow shell
Uniqueness
hollow shell
Undine's already summons projectiles from off-screen that home in on enemies
hollow saffron
why not have projectiles that home in on minions
hollow shell
because, as people have said a few times, Typhon is one of the most consistent weapons for Plant
queen sail
tf is a mobaura
hollow shell
it's a Zelda boss
hollow saffron
its a hack that automatically attacks anything that gets within a certain distance of you
hollow shell
I usually hear that referred to as killaura
hollow shell
I had a brief period of time where I did, just out of fun n' curiosity
Had no idea what I was doing and got banned from a few servers . _.
hollow saffron
OOF
hollow shell
anyway
Soul Edge only homes in on the player if there are no enemies around
which is good because it allows you to build up a stock which goes ham on the next enemy that gets close
hollow saffron
the problem i have with it is that dog usually stays out of range
hollow shell
even if briefly
hollow saffron
especially during the passive phase
lost agate
how tf is it out of range on passive phase
tha hell are you doing
also technically, all summons home in on the player
queen sail
That's a different story :echceasebegone:
queen sail
Speaking of summons
Weren't they originally just really cool magic weapons and the first one was pygmy staff
hollow shell
I know the former was true but I'll need to check which one was the first
radiant meadow
iirc, Cenx said slime staff was so rare because it wasn't originally a summon weapon, it was designed as a magic weapon
so ye, just magic weapons
queen sail
couldn't make it more common once they focused on making it summon so that monoclass summon playthroughs wouldn't suffer
radiant meadow
maybe
queen delta
I mean, of course they didnt do it lmao
radiant meadow
but like what is productivity
hollow saffron
someone pulled a graystillplays and added a couple zeros to the drop rate
hollow shell
Yknow what I just said the former was true but it doesn't seem that any "summon" weapons existed before 1.2, even in magic form
queen sail
They didn't
It would've made sense if Pygmy was first since it'd be the first of its kind for 1.2's showcase boss
fervent zealot
queen sail
queen delta
What was that armor set
radiant meadow
probably tiki
queen delta
Spooky?
radiant meadow
moon events were like 1.2.3
queen sail
Spooky came when Pumpkin Moon dropped
queen delta
Ah
radiant meadow
oh, and this kinda derailed from suggestions afaik
queen sail
Tbf stuff like this always happens so 🤷
radiant meadow
just my friendly poke in the right direction that will turn into a violent stab if you don't get on topic
queen delta
a poke that turns into a branding iron
hollow shell
Dakota out here runnin that suggestion delivery WR Any%
radiant meadow
I remember enreden having a super fast delivery too
that was like a year ago, but I digress
lost agate
dakota doing suggestion speedrun
swift bison
What does the 🗳 emote reaction mean?
radiant meadow
☑️ you mean?
hollow shell
Check pins for the reaction legend
swift bison
I know what that one means, I meant the one that was reacted to the suggestion to change the crafting recipe of the asgards valour to a core of calamity
hollow shell
preferably in #suggestions-voting, it's easier to find
wuh oh, did someone do an oopsie?
swift bison
I entered the wrong emote for the question and couldn't find the one I meant in the legend
hollow shell
looks like ☑️ to me
hollow shell
Does the reaction version look different to the one people post in messages?
distant gyro
Emotes memery
dapper isle
who thinks that when draedon and yharim get implemented there should be special armor? i mean, yharim's armor would be a more simplifed auric tesla, but the most powerful and hardest to get, maybe with a perma yharim stim buff, call it tyrant king armor draedon's would be more complex than auric tesla, maybe call it ExoArmor, and scal armor would basically be resprited and renamed shadowspec armor, maybe also needing more scal and cal stuff, maybe some brimstone stuff aswell, void of extinction for chestplate? the chaos stone for helmet, and a different thing for greaves, call it the Calamitous Armor, maybe make it look like what scal wears. have it be mage and summoner, draedon would be ranger and rouge, and yharim's armor would be straight supertank, also an upgrade to the true tyrant ultisword would be nice, a post yharon
hollow shell
Wording is a bit of a mess and also yes more content is planned once those bosses are released.
distant gyro
yeye blah blah blah, future content though
future content is future content and things are bound to be changed
That includes the fact that shadowspec bar is dev tier so it'll probably be moved when yharim comes out
hollow shell
Also, bits of specific item suggestions in there too with your naming and suggestions for what belongs in the recipe
I'm glad you posted it here first because if you went straight to #suggestions-voting you'd have 5 people pinging you
distant gyro
zenith hazel
or you could’ve went offline, let the suggestion sit there while 10 people bashed on it
queen sail
Your suggestion would’ve been memed on for three major reasons
- Future content is literally up to the big devs, especially concerning the final bosses
- Specific item sugg memes
- No good reasoning
runic heath
Honestly why not just move kelvin to a bit later in the progression
Like make it take cores or ecto or something
runic heath
Ah okay then fair enough
zenith hazel
kelvin is getting rebalanced, pretty sure
tired haven
Side note: the test was clearly on outdated version btw 
(also you don't usually have ataxia on aureus but eh)
I mean, yeah, kelvin is a tad of a stretch for 10 cryo kills weapon. And ye, it'd be rebalanced in the next update
proven tide
@dense oriole the devs don't like making vanities because they require a disproportionate amount of effort for zero functional reward
as it stands they're almost guaranteed to not be added, barring dev/donator set
dense oriole
oof
mellow bay
It just gives me agony when i see an 89 stars suggestion
radiant meadow
kelvin catalyst is already getting nerfed next test
mellow bay
But anyways the bullets could slowly replace the stingers as the fight progress
still cliff
Wait
Is it
Whisp or Wisp?
worthy fiber
Wisp
proven tide
@dense oriole the mech bosses, sentinels, and birbs also don't have any effects to their lore items
basically, any sorta conceptually unimportant or stepping-stone bosses don't get given their own effects
dense oriole
Mech bosses HAVE effect
proven tide
the mech bosses lore item*
dense oriole
Twins make invisible in night
proven tide
not their individual lore items, sorry
should have clarified
the group lore item doesn't have an effect
proven tide
but are just a stepping stone to provi
dense oriole
LC also stepping stone for ML.
proven tide
well, it at least has an effect
dense oriole
LC has effect. Why PG not?
proven tide
without the lc you wouldn't have the pillars, therefore no fragments, therefore no galactica singularities or luminite armours, etc.
the guardians just kinda
exist
like the birb
¯_(ツ)_/¯
proven tide
exactly
Honestly the guardians don't need to be their own boss and could just be left as part of the provi fight
it's like making the cosmic guardians from the dog fight into their own boss
dense oriole
dev of PG might be sad of your opinion
subtle oracle
I have no idea if I can suggest this, but I would like to restore the names of the ores I'm this mod. Like cryonics-versatlite, Reaver-draedon???
zenith hazel
but why?
proven tide
also, having the perennial ore and bar be called the draedon stuff would be
well, confusing to say the least, considering it's nowhere near the tiers of either his exo armaments or his actual fight
subtle oracle
I dont like the current names... I would like the names to be changed in between updates. I havent even posted my suggestion because I'm unsure
worthy fiber
To be blunt, I think the older names were harder and more complex to remember and refer to
They're not very good names
subtle oracle
Well nvm then, forget my suggestion lol...
worthy fiber
Cryonic for the post-Cryo boss, Perennial for the flower, etc.
ruby cobalt
verstaltite
distant gyro
the fishing rod has that name now
lost agate
@wary hollow done already
Because lets be real here, the biggest struggle to get the weapon is the cryo stone and thats it
Not enough excuse to make some bosses die in seconds
wary hollow
Glad to see that I’m not the only one
queen delta
So thats how many nerfs kelvin got? 2?
queen delta
Ill test it too just in case
lost agate
Thanks
hollow saffron
honestly kelvin catalyst is worth it for all the grinding you need to do for it
no need to negate that by nerfing it more
hollow saffron
oof lol
lost agate
I was also tired people wouldnt stop suggesting to use kelvin at any given oportunity
hollow saffron
lol oof
lost agate
To the point baum didnt wanna use it cuz he was told it was op
hollow saffron
Oof
lost agate
queen delta
Yeah unfortunately ever since icebreaker was moved to rogue, melee in early hardmode became terrible
hollow saffron
yeah
queen delta
Absolute zero is absolute meh
proven tide
@mystic widget the point of the tracers is sacrificing some mobility for convenient aggregation of said mobility items into one spot
candid mantle
^^
proven tide
to be able to equip wings on top of that would completely nullify the point of them having flight time in the first place, as it boils them down to glorified boots again
mystic widget
Yea, good point
candid mantle
mystic widget
Yeaa i deleted
proven tide
personally, i like to do that until elysian are available
because seraph is basically a downgrade 
distant gyro
I would use tracers normally as well
candid mantle
big mph doesnt increase the size of your
distant gyro
until nohitting comes in and thus an extra accessory slot doesn't matter due to non-existent defense and damage being enough
zenith hazel
I mean the only things worth doing down there are killing hives for hive pod and astralachneas for the staff ig
terse sundial
More content is planned iirc, but not a priority
zenith hazel
then again, astral will get an expansion eventually
hollow saffron
astral expansion
wary hollow
Oh hadn’t realized Kelvin had been nerfed that much, well I guess it’s just a strong weapon then can’t really say much about it other than that anymore
hollow shell
@mellow bay I'm late, but why does PBG need to be more difficult?
still cliff
What if there was an abyss submarine that allows you to breath much longer in abyss and it can be obtained by opening a Shadow chest in the deepest level in abyss.
That was irrelevant
Sorry
clear basin
Yes
hollow shell
It's a neat idea I guess
A submarine or a bathysphere
because those're how humans travel to deep depths without getting crushed
worthy fiber
I like that word
sand umbra
actually now that I think about it
how the hell do we just make a random diving suit and go to the Abyss without committing liven't
worthy fiber
A pre-hm bathysphere in the dungeon would be neat
sand umbra
I'd say "make it drop from Eidolists" except Abyss Chest memes
...so I'm still gonna say "make it drop from Eidolists" but also have it be a rare find in the Dungeon proper ig
hollow shell
@worn salmon by "voice lines" do you mean status message dialogue like DoG or actually vocal recordings?
worn salmon
shes lit 😳
clear basin
Not all gods are capable of speech and need to speak
Besides what would she say that wouldn’t be overly edgy
worn salmon
fire puns
hollow shell
Providence being silent makes some sense considering her lore
How she is more or less the embodiment of the concept of fire and the only thing she seeks to do is burn fuckin everything
worn salmon
oh
void kelp
fire has no voice to speak with
clear basin
imagine not memorizing the lore
sand umbra
nor desires to speak of.
night cradle
^
sand umbra
I didn't miss it the first time smh
worn salmon
oh
clear basin
Then why didn’t you respond you but
sand umbra
"Fire has no desires to speak of, nor does it have pains to lament.
It has but a purpose: to burn is its meaning, to turn to ash is its resolve."
Such is Providence, a being that does NOT need the ability to speak.
clear basin
Woah buddy this is too much it’s just fire
void kelp
god mrrp’s writing is sex don’t tell him that 😳
hollow shell
yeah put that shit in quotes before your teacher gives you a 0 for plagiarism
hollow shell
Providence is the most poetic of the lores
except Astrum Deus, prolly
actually AD's contains the word "gut" so I think Prov's takes the cake
clear basin
Gut
sand umbra
Provi's lore is written as if God himself descended from the heavens and granted us a perfect being to experiment with
every word, every pixel, perfectly adjusted; the entire piece optimized and revised many times over for maximum efficiency and elegance
candid mantle
now do this for every post-provi boss :nog:
clear basin
Idk what you’re on about
clear basin
Provis lore is pretty meh
ashen warren
Maybe can we add new weapons like plague nuke barrage it should be an upgrade to the hive you would need two of each plaguebringer Goliath weapon 1 of each P.B.G accessory and a plague infuser (DO NOT INCLUDE MALACHITE ) this is basically a plaguebringer Goliath kelvin catalyst type weapon maybe? Or is it to complicated
void kelp
specific items sugg
ashen warren
no specific item sugmas
queen sail
Get smited
night cradle
That'd be p much a specific sugg, so yeah, no
sand umbra
yeah no SI sugmas
queen sail
:echceasebegone:
ashen warren
clear basin
sugondese didn’t die for this shit
ashen warren
I know that joke
sand umbra
but also Plague Nuke Barrage as a weapon sounds cool as hell and I'm totally gonna pitch that idea to Seraph later
ashen warren
thats just lunar flare
clear basin
If you want a specific suggestion just go ahead and pay
queen sail
Plague nuke barrage wep when fargo calam swarm drop support happens
clear basin
50 smackaroos
hollow shell
$50 buckeroonies
clear basin
first also smackaroos is better
hollow shell
used to be $20 but then a ton of people donated and now we've got a huge backlog of items to implement
ashen warren
Okay that’s a good price but I might do that next month or so gotta make a sprite so devs won’t suffer
clear basin
Speaking of I still need to think of an item/armor set
hollow shell
Sprite isn't needed
It'd be better to describe/draw a design rather than try to sprite it yourself
cuz even if you do the devs are gonna have to redo it
clear basin
The devs will have to sprite it either way
Yeah ^
Calamity ain’t some pet project this is an operation
ashen warren
hollow shell
no u
ashen warren
I’m not even gonna resist
hollow shell
Anyway
ashen warren
So it’s kinda complicated to describe but it’s an eldritch abomination of a weapon
Bye
hollow shell
cya
clear basin
The hardest part about coming up with a dono item is making something that you want to be known for
You don’t wanna be known as the guy who wanted the patreon block
hollow shell
exo melee weapon #6
sand umbra
exo sword 4
clear basin
You want a weapon that has longevity, but isn’t op
sand umbra
episode draedon
clear basin
And a weapon that’s cool, but not abstractly cool
magic ferry
so you want a good weapon
hollow shell
Not even an exaggeration, a new exo sword would be #4
hollow shell
Actually I think it would be #6 total melees as well, I was just pullin that outta thin air
clear basin
Which is batshit stupid
queen sail
Can I just get an Exo revolver and an actually good Exoblade sprite
queen sail
hollow shell
smh Exoblade's sprite is aight
clear basin
Cooper go sprite
worn salmon
someone ask for a nuke weapon when they donate $50
subtle oracle
Lol, like a fatman from fallout or something??
worn salmon
yes
lost agate
Pbg just got buffed you know
foggy grove
Exo gun 
clear basin
I vote for exo gun
cosmic void
To be honest, I don't like the DoG's voice lines either
I don't think chat needs to be filled up during a fight
Save for maybe an intermission
subtle oracle
Exo gun should be called something like "draedon's cannon"...
hollow shell
(Chat spam on touching segments was never fixed because it was funny I guess)
clear basin
Are you honestly that bad at dodging?
Are you honestly that bad at dodging?
Are you honestly that bad at dodging?
hollow shell
indeed.
foggy grove
clear basin
Mans been alive for thousands of years he can call you kid
worthy fiber
He's supposed to be edgy dumb sounding guy
clear basin
also no the lines fit his character
clear basin
Too bad
hollow shell
You're not supposed to like it, he's an egotistical asshole
subtle oracle
Dog's lines sound bland, he needs to be more formal
clear basin
if you think dog is big, wait till you see his ego
worthy fiber
There's always the opportunity to rewrite him into a serious character but like
cosmic void
He can be snarky and egotistical, but it could be done better
hollow shell
We've got plenty of serious characters
cosmic void
I don't mind that personality, it's out there but I could get behind it
I just think it could be written a little better
clear basin
Wonderful
hollow shell
Could be, maybe.
ruby cobalt
could be, but the lines never changed in uhhh
subtle oracle
Get on it devs, write dog into a solid character :thonk-1:
hollow shell
(Scopio please)
clear basin
(I hate when people complain about dumb shit sorry)
cosmic void
I'm sorry?
hollow shell
((Your apology for your behavior has contained further aggressors))
ruby cobalt
you can ignore that, it ain't that dumb
subtle oracle
Sorry, dumb shit is just too dumb? I guess
ruby cobalt
like the entire character's premise is supposed to be "school bully"
hollow shell
I'd formally ask you to calm down but I ain't a mod
ruby cobalt
hey I'm an ex-mod, do I count
hollow shell
So I'll just informally ask you to calm down, please.
clear basin
Yeah I’ll just go to general for now
terse sundial
I should probably step in at this point
terse sundial
yeah
subtle oracle
Off topic 
hollow shell
m
ruby cobalt
shhh, kiddo
terse sundial
no need to minimod, we are right here
hollow shell
You can try to write some better lines for DoG if you want, Dakota
ruby cobalt
maybe they will get accepted
cosmic void
I might just write some stuff for the fun of it
hollow shell
They're not hard changes by any means
cosmic void
Doesn't need to be highly considered but I do like the idea of the high ego
foggy grove
Now someone mentioned DoU lines, now Im curious to what they were :thonk-4:
ruby cobalt
hey, if you can make him out of regular school bully into an egotistical fuck that spits on you - I'm all for it
hollow shell
His wiki page still exists
foggy grove
Oof
ruby cobalt
if that ain't hitting the edge cap then I don't know what is
clear basin
Just don’t make his lines serious, he doesn’t need to be
distant gyro
why didn't you dodge
ruby cobalt
no, actually make them 200% serious
distant gyro
something like that
cosmic void
I'm just pondering for a bit here. With lines like "Delicious..."
I just like to imagine the player getting hit by the head, and him cackling "You taste AWFUL!"
"Give me more..."
hollow shell
hrm
clear basin
Does essence have a flavor
ruby cobalt
probably
hollow shell
"Delicious" fits more imo
cosmic void
Fair enough
clear basin
Delicious is snarky, short and sweet, and fits
hollow shell
s'kinda weird to have him complain/whine mid-battle
queen sail
“Oh? Did that hurt?”
“Nothing personal, kid.”
“Try recovering from that!”
“Really, kid? My tail?”
“Are you honestly that ass at dodging?”
cosmic void
Just wanting to play the mocking ego
Oh, that's not complaining. He doesn't care he's just mocking you
ruby cobalt
see, you're on the right track
clear basin
this ain’t yamata from aa
ruby cobalt
crank mockery to the maximum
add negligence to it, more of the "holier-than-thou" attitude
foggy grove
What if he had lines for near misses as well? 🤔
hollow shell
Some level of formality to keep it from being childish is necessary
"You taste disgusting." fits more
or "Your taste... is disgusting"
cosmic void
Some lines fit this already, a rewrite on some is in order though I think
I'll thin more on it. I think the 'childish' mockery is more what was in my head though
clear basin
Rover change it to “Your taste is... disgusting”
hollow shell
m
cosmic void
An all powerful being who can't care less, and thinks it's hilarious you're challenging him
queen sail
“Almost got ya, kid.”
“Can’t butcher what you can’t kill!”
ruby cobalt
all-powerful, but only in his own mind
that's what you're pretty much going for
he's not actually all-powerful
clear basin
Nothing personnel kid
ruby cobalt
teapots behind u
queen sail
cosmic void
Well, comparatively to others. 'All powerful' being relative
ruby cobalt
comparatively, sure
if you relate him to Xeroc he obviously gets shafted under the rug
or, you know, a couple rugs
a couple mountains of rugs
subtle oracle
Like dog has been living for thousands of years, he had to develop a sense of formality with his speech
foggy grove
Even yharim related to xeroc is a couple mountains of rugs 👀
cosmic void
Mockery like "My tail? Now you're just making me laugh, that's pathetic!"
But could also be toned done a bit, potentially
ruby cobalt
hey, if you only eat edgy dumbasses daring enough to attack you and stupid grunts - not likely
foggy grove
But yea, if DoG is essentially kirby in that he inherits the abilities of what he eats, wouldnt he gain some of the personality of those like Braelor?
ruby cobalt
just shorten it to a simple "Pathetic.."
queen sail
“Pathetic...” if he vores you tbh
cosmic void
So wait, is he formal and mocking, or is he cocky and sarcastic?
ruby cobalt
both
queen sail
Can be both
cosmic void
I am getting feelings from all directions here
ruby cobalt
both simultaneously
hollow shell
I don't think he gets any of the attributes of who he eats
It's just power
cosmic void
Mmmm
clear basin
Give him earth lord quotes
queen sail
ruby cobalt
ngl I'd give you material on a similar character, but I'd have to find it
mind if I DM it to you?
cosmic void
Sure thing. I may have to get to it later though. To be honest, I am typing in the middle of a lecture, pfff
ruby cobalt
mood
cosmic void
I guess my headspace is more like he's enjoying it and thinks the battle is funny. More than being sarcastic, but kind of brooding
Which I suppose is more personal preference, on my part. Could still have better lines though, following that
foggy grove
What if phase 1 he is cocky and teasing, but in phase 2 he gets way more serious since he is actually losing
cosmic void
He just seems like a mixed bag, but anything would be better than "Nothing personal kid"
Also that sounds good, I like that myself
More serious, maybe a little angry
queen sail
@foggy grove that’s essentially what it is
cosmic void
I would like to play that up in the first phase though, myself
foggy grove
Well yea, but a little rewritten so its more evident, maybe a line when he first enters phase 2
hollow shell
When his health gets low in Phase 2 he starts outright panicking
ruby cobalt
it's in the DMs now
ruby cobalt
because you are a worm to him
cosmic void
Irony of it. Downplaying your importance
ruby cobalt
despite him being a worm himself
foggy grove
Thats the terrarians line 
queen sail
Worm is an edgy insult
ruby cobalt
do I need to remind you that DoG's internal dialogue line codes are EdgyWormBossText
queen sail
To the point where it sounds more like a 13 year old’s op protagonist fantasy
hollow shell
I'm seeing his "Don't get cocky, kid" and "It's not over yet, kid" still being somewhat insulting to you because he feels like 'oh Im in phase 2 now, this guy is totally toast'
queen sail
Also yes but his lines aren’t to that extent