#suggestions-discussion | Calamity Mod Discord | Page 723

distant gyro Nov 10, 2019, 12:32 PM

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Going to assert that some throwing weapons will probably be broken as hell with stealth strikes and nanotech

karmic stone Nov 10, 2019, 12:32 PM

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~~Seriously how many people say "rouge" in a day~~

distant gyro Nov 10, 2019, 12:32 PM

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HDfailure

proven tide Nov 10, 2019, 12:32 PM

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when throwing is merged into ranged rogue is supposed to stand on its own so making the two blend is uh

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not good

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(rouge applies to slash too though)

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(now, plauge, on the other hand...)

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~~also it's in the suggestion don'ts~~

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~~twice~~

zenith hazel Nov 10, 2019, 12:35 PM

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forgot about the rogue and throwing compatibility thing

distant gyro Nov 10, 2019, 12:35 PM

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@junior wasp beenades are ranged btw thank you redcode

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HDfailure

proven tide Nov 10, 2019, 12:35 PM

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also about making vanilla do rogue damage

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that's its own suggestion

zenith hazel Nov 10, 2019, 12:35 PM

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anyway, suggestions regarding that aren’t allowed, read suggestion don’ts doc for more info

proven tide Nov 10, 2019, 12:35 PM

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(see: melee things that should be throwing that are now also considered things that should be rogue)

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( thOiNk )

placid moth Nov 10, 2019, 12:36 PM

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Rogue overlaps with everything, yes.

zenith hazel Nov 10, 2019, 12:37 PM

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throwing will only affect rogue (to an extent), not vice versa, end of discussion

karmic stone Nov 10, 2019, 12:37 PM

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~~They're playing rn, i really feel like they just found out this and just made a sugg for their own playtrough~~

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Ah, deleted

junior wasp Nov 10, 2019, 12:37 PM

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;-;

hallow kraken Nov 10, 2019, 4:03 PM

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Um

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What

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And why as well

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Could you be more specific on what the effect you’re talking about is and give a reason for adding it back?

quartz hare Nov 10, 2019, 4:27 PM

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no u

lost agate Nov 10, 2019, 4:32 PM

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Wow, such feedback

karmic stone Nov 10, 2019, 4:53 PM

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They want the effect Verium used to have, like Chloro boolets

karmic stone Nov 10, 2019, 5:11 PM

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tbf there's very little the spiders can offer right now

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a mage weapon and a summoner armor that lasts for 1 boss

quartz hare Nov 10, 2019, 5:14 PM

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spider fishing, spider shrine, spider blocks etc. woud be cool but this is not part of main gameplay

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(but still cool)

mossy shale Nov 10, 2019, 5:17 PM

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Make spider walls craftable so we can make easy spider farms

quick ice Nov 10, 2019, 5:18 PM

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Spider walls are arguably more useful than granite/marble caves

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However they all need new content

terse sundial Nov 10, 2019, 5:19 PM

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(minor wall of text incoming)

mossy shale Nov 10, 2019, 5:19 PM

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Honestly I think calamity shouldn't do a overhaul of spider nests since thorium already did that, and calamity shouldn't really dabble into what thorium already did

terse sundial Nov 10, 2019, 5:19 PM

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Recent Suggestions Approved
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/641996153008947200
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/642011539871760386
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/641696816450240533

quartz hare Nov 10, 2019, 5:19 PM

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yay

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thanks

mossy shale Nov 10, 2019, 5:20 PM

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Hell yeah my modconfig suggestion was approved

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The only thing that both thorium and calamity did was a throwing overhaul and a new water-based biome

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A spider nest overhaul is not something I'd think calamity would focus on

distant gyro Nov 10, 2019, 5:27 PM

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Temporal Sadness is a pretty sad debuff

quartz hare Nov 10, 2019, 5:28 PM

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yes, this is suggestion discussion

distant gyro Nov 10, 2019, 5:28 PM

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considering if you're fighting ogres, the only viable weapon that inflicts it is the biome blade under the mushroom biome

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CompleteFailure

terse sundial Nov 10, 2019, 5:29 PM

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I mean, the same thing applies to Glacial State iirc

karmic stone Nov 10, 2019, 5:29 PM

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Most debuff immunities need a rework imo, but this is just an example

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Also, the most rewarded class for this event happens to be the one that can inflict that debuff with full on-tier gear

radiant meadow Nov 10, 2019, 5:52 PM

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they're not immune to glacial state or temporal sadness

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I think I'll just make some of the stronger enemies immune

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rather than all of them

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okay, I made wyverns, dark mage, dark mage skeletons, ogres, kobolds, drakins, kobold gliders, and wither beasts immune

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goblins, goblin bombers, javelin throwers, and lightning bugs are not immune

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@karmic stone

karmic stone Nov 10, 2019, 6:05 PM

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Coolio, thanks Ben

marble mirage Nov 10, 2019, 6:11 PM

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yay

quartz hare Nov 10, 2019, 6:19 PM

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lol, so fast?

lost agate Nov 10, 2019, 6:26 PM

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It happens often

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Like that turmoil suggestion

void kelp Nov 10, 2019, 6:31 PM

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related to suggestion discussion is @terse sundial being a literal calamity GOD with dev to everyone communication

quartz hare Nov 10, 2019, 6:32 PM

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ech .

hollow saffron Nov 10, 2019, 6:40 PM

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@quartz hare add a reason taxevasion

ashen warren Nov 10, 2019, 8:37 PM

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isnt luxors summon thingy based on what minion item you used to summon it

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at least damage

frail mantle Nov 10, 2019, 8:39 PM

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it is indeed

ashen warren Nov 10, 2019, 8:39 PM

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it don’t see a reason to buff then

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basically just scales throughout the game

hollow shell Nov 10, 2019, 8:39 PM

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"buff icon"

ashen warren Nov 10, 2019, 8:40 PM

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ooh

hollow shell Nov 10, 2019, 8:40 PM

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As in the image that appears below your toolbar

ashen warren Nov 10, 2019, 8:40 PM

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didn’t see that

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nvm then

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thought he was asking for a buff

terse sundial Nov 10, 2019, 9:12 PM

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@spare sedge A Astral Infection solution already exist

spare sedge Nov 10, 2019, 9:12 PM

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dam i figured

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mb

terse sundial Nov 10, 2019, 9:12 PM

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The Sulphurous Sea is location based, and so is the sunken sea

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you can create artificial biomes much like the snow or jungle biome, but there isn't going to be a solution for those

civic pond Nov 10, 2019, 9:13 PM

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same reason there's no "desert solution"

terse sundial Nov 10, 2019, 9:13 PM

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^

civic pond Nov 10, 2019, 9:13 PM

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thonk

spare sedge Nov 10, 2019, 9:13 PM

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okay, i was just wondering

radiant meadow Nov 10, 2019, 9:13 PM

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sulphurous sea and sunken sea can be artificial

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like 30 sulphurous sand blocks I think

fervent zealot Nov 10, 2019, 9:13 PM

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31

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and 301 for sunken

radiant meadow Nov 10, 2019, 9:13 PM

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and x amount of eutrophic sand/navystone

fervent zealot Nov 10, 2019, 9:14 PM

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~~sort of related, crags and astral can also both be "made", 51 crag blocks (unholy ore or brim slag)~~

ocean shale Nov 10, 2019, 9:54 PM

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I think I remember seeing a astral solution in a different mod

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I forgot what it was tho

ruby cobalt Nov 10, 2019, 9:56 PM

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I wonder what mod it is

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it's totally not calamity, just imagine this

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why would a mod add ways to spread its biomes?

civic pond Nov 10, 2019, 10:09 PM

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thats the trade off

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You want the buff? you hold it in your inventory

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most of them are fairly small anyways

sleek wadi Nov 10, 2019, 10:10 PM

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It'd also mess with some of the lore items like BoC

civic pond Nov 10, 2019, 10:11 PM

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one time teleport 👍

sleek wadi Nov 10, 2019, 10:11 PM

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What's that, you bullied Scal? Die in one hit to literally everything for the rest of time

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Hope you like gimped damage, 'cause that is what you'll get Yharon onwards

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Lore items taking up space lets the items both be strong and act as toggles, as well as acting as a balancing measure.

civic pond Nov 10, 2019, 10:13 PM

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byeah thats the point

hallow kraken Nov 10, 2019, 10:23 PM

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I enjoy permanently having less health for the benefit of only improving one class after defeating clone

next dune Nov 10, 2019, 10:23 PM

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i enjoy endlessly sliding along my world like if i was constantly on ice

lost agate Nov 10, 2019, 10:24 PM

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I enjoy

civic pond Nov 10, 2019, 10:25 PM

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~~fimally, pre cracked egg~~

lost agate Nov 10, 2019, 10:25 PM

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Oyes

civic pond Nov 10, 2019, 10:31 PM

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this sounds a little specfic

lost agate Nov 10, 2019, 10:33 PM

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Very

marble mirage Nov 10, 2019, 10:42 PM

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extremely

hollow shell Nov 10, 2019, 10:43 PM

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@median walrus Be less specific.

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People/devs could agree with you that Wulfrum headgear needs a summon, but disagree with the exact function that you gave it.
Its better to leave room for adjustment and possibilities.

marble mirage Nov 10, 2019, 10:46 PM

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i feel like a wulfrum probe could be cool as a minion, but not for the armor

opal barn Nov 10, 2019, 11:41 PM

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~~i mean you can just ping danny about it in mod chat~~

radiant meadow Nov 10, 2019, 11:41 PM

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I could

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But where's the fun in that

queen delta Nov 10, 2019, 11:46 PM

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HahaYes

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its so old that not even gen media is on there

radiant meadow Nov 10, 2019, 11:54 PM

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Lore is though

hollow shell Nov 11, 2019, 12:05 AM

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That's not even a suggestion
That just is something you should ping Danny about

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in fact
@candid dove #suggestions-voting

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(when you can)

radiant meadow Nov 11, 2019, 12:07 AM

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Why is everyone conspiring against me

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But like pixl already posted it in #moderator-corner

median walrus Nov 11, 2019, 12:12 AM

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@hollow shell ok.

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That was the first time I suggested something.

radiant meadow Nov 11, 2019, 12:16 AM

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@median walrus you should edit your suggestion

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Just cut out the function part in the middle

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Like this

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An exclusive summon for the wulfrum headgear, the wulfrum probe.
This way, the wulfrum headgear would be interesting and fun to use.

hollow saffron Nov 11, 2019, 1:12 AM

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^

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its specific rn taxevasion

queen sail Nov 11, 2019, 3:58 AM

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Allow Cirrus’ candles to be placed on tables.

Reason: They’re candles. taxevasion

hollow shell Nov 11, 2019, 3:58 AM

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Workbenches as well?

queen sail Nov 11, 2019, 3:59 AM

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Yep.

hollow shell Nov 11, 2019, 3:59 AM

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(I am bothered by how several items in vanilla and apparently Calamity can only be placed on platforms, only on tables, or neither)

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(Seems like there isn't much consistency as to what's allowed or not)

queen sail Nov 11, 2019, 4:01 AM

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I’m internally snickering at the fact that my reason is probably the shortest reason out of a majority of suggestions and it’s technically valid

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Due to how candles are ingame

hollow shell Nov 11, 2019, 4:02 AM

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(Lava Lamps cannot be placed on tables.) 😡

radiant meadow Nov 11, 2019, 4:02 AM

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so basically, we must ask the tile goddess to look into candles

cobalt rose Nov 11, 2019, 4:58 AM

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@umbral dune gel darts already exist

dawn jay Nov 11, 2019, 4:59 AM

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^

umbral dune Nov 11, 2019, 4:59 AM

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oh

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welp

distant gyro Nov 11, 2019, 4:59 AM

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Gel Darts
Enchanted Axe actually blasts wall in 30 seconds

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HDfailure

hollow shell Nov 11, 2019, 4:59 AM

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wew

umbral dune Nov 11, 2019, 4:59 AM

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good to know

hollow shell Nov 11, 2019, 5:00 AM

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How do you even write a big ole suggestion about why something needs to be a thing
without checking whether or not it already exists

umbral dune Nov 11, 2019, 5:00 AM

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yeah

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my bad

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taxevasion

wary flume Nov 11, 2019, 11:41 AM

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Fewer unexpected death DEATHMODE

void kelp Nov 11, 2019, 11:47 AM

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iirc the random boss spawns are also only if you haven’t defeated them relative to progression

hoary hinge Nov 11, 2019, 11:49 AM

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yeah if you've beaten one of them tey don't spawn

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though if you like skip a boss like i dunno if you skipped Eater of Worlds or something then he could show up and jump you later while you're running through corruption after beating skeletron or smth

void kelp Nov 11, 2019, 11:51 AM

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honestly that doesn’t seem like something terrible but rather just an annoyance since by that point you should be well-equipped

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plus you have a 60 second delay

hoary hinge Nov 11, 2019, 11:51 AM

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yeah its fine at that point

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the only time it's dumb is like when fishron spawns while you're trying to get siren and leviathan to show up, or when plantera jumps you while you're mining chlorophyte to use against skeletron prime and calamitas, or when Hive Mind jumps you while you're trying to break shadow orbs to fight Eater or Worlds, or when Queen Bee jumps you when you're about to go jungle mining

void kelp Nov 11, 2019, 11:57 AM

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the boundaries are definitely more ambiguous wherever progression is as well

hollow saffron Nov 11, 2019, 1:19 PM

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@dense oriole doesn't it warn you 1 minute prior to the boss spawning? taxevasion

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and you can always leave the biome

dense oriole Nov 11, 2019, 1:20 PM

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Calamitas Surface at night

hollow saffron Nov 11, 2019, 1:20 PM

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SURFACE

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You can always go underground

dense oriole Nov 11, 2019, 1:21 PM

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why are you necromancing it

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i was sleeping

hollow saffron Nov 11, 2019, 1:21 PM

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And by that point you should have the day/night thing from cryogenic

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The cosmolight

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So you should be able to freely switch from day

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The only time it would be annoying is if you're fighting another boss

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Wait can random spawns still happen when a boss is alive

dense oriole Nov 11, 2019, 1:22 PM

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i was doing Astrum Aureus boss fight

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Calamitas comes

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oof

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and ded

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thats all.

hollow saffron Nov 11, 2019, 1:22 PM

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Oof

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I would suggest you change your suggestion to disable random boss spawns while another boss is alive

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Because that sounds super annoying

dense oriole Nov 11, 2019, 1:23 PM

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then why you aren't?

hollow saffron Nov 11, 2019, 1:23 PM

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Because chaining suggestions

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Read the pins

dense oriole Nov 11, 2019, 1:23 PM

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why this discord contain too many pins...

hollow saffron Nov 11, 2019, 1:24 PM

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Bruh it's so people don't misuse channels and then claim ignorance

dense oriole Nov 11, 2019, 1:24 PM

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well i'll do later

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im too tired, and i was sleeping

hollow saffron Nov 11, 2019, 1:24 PM

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Ok

hollow shell Nov 11, 2019, 2:00 PM

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Interesting idea.

hoary hinge Nov 11, 2019, 2:19 PM

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well just posted something that might be controversial lol

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just as a footnote to it:

Everything I've said generally applies more to Providence's hallow fight than her underworld one, as the crystal's damage values are increased on Revengeance considerably higher than Expert and on Deathmode it lasts less time than other difficulties, making the fight a bit more balanced.

lost agate Nov 11, 2019, 2:22 PM

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Rev crystal has faster projectiles

hoary hinge Nov 11, 2019, 2:22 PM

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oh yeah there's that as well

lost agate Nov 11, 2019, 2:22 PM

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Also, the dmg values wont go up that much on rev

hoary hinge Nov 11, 2019, 2:22 PM

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but yeah i did say everything i said applies more to the hallow fight than the hell fight

lost agate Nov 11, 2019, 2:23 PM

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We dont want 6x stats compared to normal in Rev

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The jump from normal to expert in stats is already dumb enough

hoary hinge Nov 11, 2019, 2:24 PM

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then give the current stats for expert to providence in rev and nerf her on expert

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i did say "rebalance" not "make the fight harder"

lost agate Nov 11, 2019, 2:24 PM

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No

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The stats are gonna stay consistent with the rest

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Thats how it is

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And im pretty sure people dont want providence buffed

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And yes, death mode is where it gets insane cuz thats the point

hoary hinge Nov 11, 2019, 2:26 PM

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i mean lets just ignore the AI entirely for one second and just look at the numbers
HP: 440k/704k/800k/1.144mil
you can see there's a big jump to expert, a tiny one footed hop to rev, then another heap to death

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same goes for damage values

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Unhealing flames: 100/150/150/200

lost agate Nov 11, 2019, 2:27 PM

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Thats because provi eats projectiles like crazy

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Death rippers would just annihilate her otherwise

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And as i said, the jump to expert is always extreme

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Go look at other bosses

hoary hinge Nov 11, 2019, 2:28 PM

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death rippers don't really annihilate her because she has 90% DR over half the time lol

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ok lets "look at other bosses"

lost agate Nov 11, 2019, 2:28 PM

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Hell it wasnt 880k hp on expert for a reason

hoary hinge Nov 11, 2019, 2:28 PM

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bumblebirb - boss right behind provi in the progression
HP: 227.5k/364k/404k/484k
Melee: 160/256/320/368

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i don't see this "enourmous jump" from rev to death on other bosses

lost agate Nov 11, 2019, 2:29 PM

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The heap in stats isnt that big either

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Dude

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Providence is huge

acoustic ferry Nov 11, 2019, 2:29 PM

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bumblebird is tiny and insignificant thats why
you're not gonna ripper swordsplosion bumblebird like you would probidence

lost agate Nov 11, 2019, 2:29 PM

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Why do you think innacurate weapons exist so much in that tier

hoary hinge Nov 11, 2019, 2:30 PM

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okay so because the boss is larger, that means the HP curve should be logarithmic instead of linear? is that what you're saying?

sand umbra Nov 11, 2019, 2:30 PM

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Provi's health is enormous at least partially because she herself is enormous and will get hit by anything, usually multiple times by the same something

hoary hinge Nov 11, 2019, 2:30 PM

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~~i hope i spelt that right~~

lost agate Nov 11, 2019, 2:30 PM

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Go hit bumblebird with a clockwork bow

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Then we talk

sand umbra Nov 11, 2019, 2:30 PM

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especially since Calamity's post-ML weapons aren't retarded about i-frames, for the most part CompleteFailure

acoustic ferry Nov 11, 2019, 2:31 PM

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i dont know exactly what that word means, but yes, because the fatter something is the more hp it should have HDfailure

lost agate Nov 11, 2019, 2:32 PM

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Also lets not forget that provi is the first big post ML boss

hoary hinge Nov 11, 2019, 2:32 PM

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oh yeah i think providence is supposed to be big and intimidating

lost agate Nov 11, 2019, 2:33 PM

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Bumble is small and an optional boss

hoary hinge Nov 11, 2019, 2:33 PM

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i mean tbh i was originally going for buffing her rev form instead of nerfing her other forms

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Bumble isn't optional!

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Where are you going to get those efflugents for yharon, huh?

signal prairie Nov 11, 2019, 2:33 PM

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It's called Deathmode for a reason

lost agate Nov 11, 2019, 2:33 PM

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Right before provi it isnt

hoary hinge Nov 11, 2019, 2:33 PM

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that's like saying Skeletron is optional

magic ferry Nov 11, 2019, 2:33 PM

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wrong

lost agate Nov 11, 2019, 2:33 PM

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You can just go until post dog and destroy bumble

hoary hinge Nov 11, 2019, 2:33 PM

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he isn't because he needs to be dead to spawn moon lord (well in vanilla anyway)

lost agate Nov 11, 2019, 2:33 PM

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You dont need to fight him pre provi

hallow kraken Nov 11, 2019, 2:33 PM

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Skele isn’t optional though

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Bumble is optional at his tier

hoary hinge Nov 11, 2019, 2:34 PM

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skele is optional at his tier then

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provi is optional at her tier

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just craft the rune of kos

lost agate Nov 11, 2019, 2:34 PM

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If youre gonna put non linearity here then we arent gonna go anywhere

hoary hinge Nov 11, 2019, 2:35 PM

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yeah i'm making a point that it's a stupid argument i wasn't the one that brought it up first

lost agate Nov 11, 2019, 2:35 PM

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What

signal prairie Nov 11, 2019, 2:35 PM

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If you craft the Rune of Kos, your not going to have the absolute massive amount of everything that Providence gives you access to

hoary hinge Nov 11, 2019, 2:35 PM

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when i compared bumble and provi i was told that "bumble is optional so that's not a fair comparison"

lost agate Nov 11, 2019, 2:36 PM

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Its still a small boss

queen delta Nov 11, 2019, 2:36 PM

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I thought you could just get eidolon tablets from abyss eidolists and spawn cultist that way

hoary hinge Nov 11, 2019, 2:36 PM

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yeah you can that's why i said skele is optional for his tier in vanilla

lost agate Nov 11, 2019, 2:37 PM

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You can

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Oh great my internet is dying

hoary hinge Nov 11, 2019, 2:37 PM

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anyway this is off topic we're talking about provi's stats compared to other bosses not what's optional and isnt

queen delta Nov 11, 2019, 2:37 PM

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My phone internet is miraculously running off 1 bar

signal prairie Nov 11, 2019, 2:37 PM

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Let's be honest, who is going to fight a Dungeon Guardian alongside an enraged Ceaseless Void.

queen delta Nov 11, 2019, 2:37 PM

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Anyone who’s insane enough

hoary hinge Nov 11, 2019, 2:37 PM

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you can get in there and summon ceaseless before the DG spawns if you're fast enough

lost agate Nov 11, 2019, 2:37 PM

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The stats are what they are cuz they got tested

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Simple

queen delta Nov 11, 2019, 2:38 PM

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You could also despawn DG

signal prairie Nov 11, 2019, 2:38 PM

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Then you STILL have to deal with enraged Ceaseless Void

magic ferry Nov 11, 2019, 2:38 PM

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if providence had less health, almost every existing bullet hell weapon could shred it ridiculously fast

hoary hinge Nov 11, 2019, 2:41 PM

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Okay then if Provi is fine the way she is on deathmode, why is she so much weaker on rev? I can kill her no potion vanilla without much difficulty that seems pretty ridiculous compared to bosses like DoG where you have entire phases unique to revengeance (the Cosmic Guardians)

lost agate Nov 11, 2019, 2:41 PM

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I think at this point we can safely say that rev isnt really about stats

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Its about the new moves

signal prairie Nov 11, 2019, 2:41 PM

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Bottom line is, Expert and Revengence are supposed to be similar to an extent. The difficulty jump from Revengence to Death is appropriate cause Death changes bosses to the extreme. It's called Deathmode.

magic ferry Nov 11, 2019, 2:41 PM

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death mode is supposed to be hard

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but providence death mode isnt hard imo

acoustic ferry Nov 11, 2019, 2:42 PM

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normal --> expert
revengeace --> death

lost agate Nov 11, 2019, 2:42 PM

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Providence always kicked my ass so i cant really relate

hoary hinge Nov 11, 2019, 2:42 PM

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@signal prairie they're not similar for bosses like DoG

signal prairie Nov 11, 2019, 2:43 PM

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That's cause DoG reworks are a feature ™

hoary hinge Nov 11, 2019, 2:43 PM

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plaguebringer goliath spawns freakin minibosses as mooks on rev mode that seems like a big change

signal prairie Nov 11, 2019, 2:44 PM

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These minibosses melt p quickly with a good setup

lost agate Nov 11, 2019, 2:44 PM

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They can also be easily dodged

signal prairie Nov 11, 2019, 2:44 PM

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^

magic ferry Nov 11, 2019, 2:44 PM

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^

hoary hinge Nov 11, 2019, 2:45 PM

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providence seems to be the boss that sticks out for having like 1 change on rev mode which is her scissor laser that imo is easier to dodge due to Icarus' Folly

lost agate Nov 11, 2019, 2:45 PM

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I mean

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You still gotta be very precise

signal prairie Nov 11, 2019, 2:45 PM

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Plus, with the amount of Providence reworks we've had, I don't think the devs want to rework her yet again.

lost agate Nov 11, 2019, 2:45 PM

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And its still very much nullified by rod

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Like the other laser

hoary hinge Nov 11, 2019, 2:45 PM

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and both lasers get memed on by rod HDfailure

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dammit you said it first 😦

lost agate Nov 11, 2019, 2:46 PM

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If you wanted even more moves on a boss that has the arsenal of an entire army then goddamn

hoary hinge Nov 11, 2019, 2:46 PM

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nah i just want her to be harder on rev mode tbh

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maybe give her some of her AI tweaks that are on deathmode exclusive rn? like they did with hive mind

lost agate Nov 11, 2019, 2:47 PM

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Hrrmf

hoary hinge Nov 11, 2019, 2:47 PM

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then again im not a dev

signal prairie Nov 11, 2019, 2:47 PM

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I feel that Providence is fine

lost agate Nov 11, 2019, 2:47 PM

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The problem with hive mind was that it literally never changed until death

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Provi has new stuff already

hoary hinge Nov 11, 2019, 2:48 PM

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i assume you meant problem

lost agate Nov 11, 2019, 2:48 PM

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Brain melted hold on

signal prairie Nov 11, 2019, 2:48 PM

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Rip

lost agate Nov 11, 2019, 2:51 PM

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Also, lets assume you want rev provi to be harder yes? How do you make that without having the stats be inconsistent between the rest of the bosses or just more attacks

hoary hinge Nov 11, 2019, 2:51 PM

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she has 3 changes, 2 of which imo make the fight easier

Scissor laser. Mentioned this already
Increased top speed when she's chasing you down. This one makes it so it's basically impossible to cause yourself to get Holy Inferno by running away too long unless Provi is in her cocoon and should be on all difficulties imo
Slightly changed bullet patterns when not in cocoon mode. This is where I feel the fight could get some work - give her some of her deathmode tricks here like her rapid fire of her big blasts or how her chasing flames seem to be insane

lost agate Nov 11, 2019, 2:51 PM

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Every boss in rev gets around 12% or so of more hp from expert to rev

hoary hinge Nov 11, 2019, 2:52 PM

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wait actually there's a fourth one - which is she heals slightly faster should've included that

lost agate Nov 11, 2019, 2:52 PM

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You do know the death fight is hectic af right

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Also increased top speed means you cant outrun her

hoary hinge Nov 11, 2019, 2:53 PM

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yeah? don't give her all of the deathmode tricks she has only some of them

lost agate Nov 11, 2019, 2:53 PM

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Basically you get bombarded or you get bombarded

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God would this fucking internet stop dying

hoary hinge Nov 11, 2019, 2:53 PM

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why would you want to be far away from the boss that has a deathray that'll be harder to dodge the further away you are, projectiles that get faster as they travel and a debuff that only triggers if you run away from her

lost agate Nov 11, 2019, 2:54 PM

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And dude what death mode tricks

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Its basically just a more intense ai

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Everything is on a tighter timer

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God can i speak for 5 seconds without the internet dying

terse sundial Nov 11, 2019, 2:56 PM

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(minor wall of text incoming)

hoary hinge Nov 11, 2019, 2:57 PM

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in deathmode, she swaps phases more often, she fires her big blasts way faster, hewr homing flames have better chasing potential, her splitting flames are faster after they split, as well as a bunch of other stuff that i don't notice
maybe just give 1 or 2 of these changes to rev mode or smth

terse sundial Nov 11, 2019, 2:57 PM

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Recent Suggestions Approved
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/642472082621333504
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/642435939016114184
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/641753257999335444

hoary hinge Nov 11, 2019, 2:57 PM

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ok that third one is great to see get approved

lost agate Nov 11, 2019, 2:58 PM

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I dont like the idea of just randomly putting in stuff from whats a rewrited ai

hoary hinge Nov 11, 2019, 2:58 PM

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~~is someone going to go react those with the finish flag cos i would if i had the ability to~~

terse sundial Nov 11, 2019, 2:58 PM

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they aren't finished

hoary hinge Nov 11, 2019, 2:58 PM

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OH ok

terse sundial Nov 11, 2019, 2:58 PM

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approved != implemented

quiet abyss Nov 11, 2019, 2:59 PM

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^

queen delta Nov 11, 2019, 3:00 PM

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It could end up not being implemented due to stuff

signal prairie Nov 11, 2019, 3:01 PM

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Honestly, the Providence fight is fine on all difficulties. She doesn't need to be changed, cause changing her would make an already hard boss into an extreme boss.

lost agate Nov 11, 2019, 3:02 PM

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flashbacks of triple guardian wave provi

signal prairie Nov 11, 2019, 3:02 PM

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^

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Flashbacks to when Providence just used to spawn a million and a half Guardians.

ashen warren Nov 11, 2019, 3:05 PM

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https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/333584383388942356/572150997657321522

lost agate Nov 11, 2019, 3:08 PM

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HahaYes

hollow shell Nov 11, 2019, 3:09 PM

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Ah yes I remember this big ole conversation, about how Rev may be easier than Expert due to the existence of Adrenaline

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It didn't end so well last time...

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Lemme just say Titanite that damage values being the same in Expert and Revengeance is not unique to Providence

hoary hinge Nov 11, 2019, 3:10 PM

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other than the sentinels, i think she's the only boss like this

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correct me if i'm wrong though

hollow shell Nov 11, 2019, 3:10 PM

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Devourer of Gods.

hoary hinge Nov 11, 2019, 3:11 PM

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DoG's head still deals more and the Cosmic Guardians don't exist on Expert

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so if we consider that, then all their damage values are "modified ones"

hollow shell Nov 11, 2019, 3:12 PM

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Providence's Cocoon Spears, Crystal Shards, and Holy Ray also deal more damage in Rev

hoary hinge Nov 11, 2019, 3:14 PM

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I'll regard each of those in turn
Holy Ray - it's easier to dodge on rev for some reason HDfailure flying over it actually proves hard due to Icarus' Folly meaning you have to be ready for it on expert but on rev you just have to hop up a bit and you're all good
Crystal Shards - I did say this is very true at the start of this debate and said that Providence Underworld is far more balanced between each difficulty due to crystal shard damage and how they fade faster on deathmode
Cocoon Spears - She's not firing anything else at this point, and not moving, meaning they're just as easy to dodge in Rev and they are Expert - though I will admit that the increased damage they do probably makes the fight just as hard on expert compared to rev because they can catch you off guard

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though I alwayts thought the DoG's phase 1 lasers did more dmg on rev

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guess I was wrong though only his phase 2 ones are affected by that difficulty change

hollow shell Nov 11, 2019, 3:17 PM

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Ahh I have discovered the problem

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... we, the wiki, are dipshits
And did not document all of Providence's damage changes in Rev

hoary hinge Nov 11, 2019, 3:17 PM

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...what?

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are you serious

hollow shell Nov 11, 2019, 3:17 PM

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All of them get buffed.

hoary hinge Nov 11, 2019, 3:17 PM

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LOL

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it doesn't feel like it in the fight though

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so i don't blame you for not noticing

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how big are they, by chance?

distant gyro Nov 11, 2019, 3:18 PM

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we never bothered to change damage vals iirc HDfailure

hollow shell Nov 11, 2019, 3:18 PM

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I blame confirmation bias for that feeling

hoary hinge Nov 11, 2019, 3:18 PM

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that's true

distant gyro Nov 11, 2019, 3:18 PM

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I did up to wall of flesh

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that's it

hoary hinge Nov 11, 2019, 3:18 PM

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confirmation bias is a hell of a drug

terse sundial Nov 11, 2019, 3:18 PM

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nothing else was messed with yeah

hoary hinge Nov 11, 2019, 3:18 PM

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or whatever the phrase is

hollow shell Nov 11, 2019, 3:18 PM

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All Rev damage boosts are +25%

terse sundial Nov 11, 2019, 3:18 PM

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mhm

hollow shell Nov 11, 2019, 3:18 PM

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This also means that all the Death mode values are larger too

hoary hinge Nov 11, 2019, 3:19 PM

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now i know this, lets see if i notice it in the rev fight vs provi compared to expert

hollow shell Nov 11, 2019, 3:24 PM

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Page updated.

hoary hinge Nov 11, 2019, 3:26 PM

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So I just fought Provi on rev and looked at the damage numbers I took
unfortunately i went god mode and seemed to become amazing at the game, dodging everything that wasn't the Holy Spears or the Holy Ray effortlessly (the 2 attacks I already knew had buffed damage lol), meaning I had to let myself get hit near the end to look at the damage values of some of the attacks

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now i'll fight her on expert

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okay are you SURE that provi does more damage on rev? cos i just did the fight again and saw 132-186 damage from her flame attacks on expert and 148-182 damage on rev - those are basically the same numbers
im going to do a few more fights to confirm it though maybe my buffs were different or RNG was being weird

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redid the fight on rev and the damage does seem higher but only by like 10 points which doesn't match what i was told - i'll do some more checking on this later though

hollow shell Nov 11, 2019, 3:37 PM

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But you have seen the Holy Ray and Crystal Shards deal more damage?

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or not even those

hoary hinge Nov 11, 2019, 3:41 PM

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oh yeah i have seen the lances do a bunch

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i didnt get hit by holy ray so i can['t vouch for that

lost agate Nov 11, 2019, 3:42 PM

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Why are you dodging the things if you are testing the dmg?

hoary hinge Nov 11, 2019, 3:43 PM

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wasn't wanting to get hit by the lances and the ray cos i had already from previous runs voiched for them dealing more damage

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so didn't feel i had to confirm it

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i might go do that now though

hollow shell Nov 11, 2019, 3:49 PM

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If some of them deal noticeably more damage and some do not
then we have a very weird problem that I don't know how to solve

but if none of them deal noticeably more damage
then we still have a problem but it has some potential solutions

hoary hinge Nov 11, 2019, 3:50 PM

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for now i'd assume it's just RNG

hollow shell Nov 11, 2019, 3:50 PM

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because all of their rev boosts are programmed the same way
so if none of em work then we need to look into the way they are programmed

but if some of em work
then
it's just complete crap

karmic stone Nov 11, 2019, 5:49 PM

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Ok?

ashen warren Nov 11, 2019, 5:49 PM

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that's a problem with slime mount fucking all wings, not just skyline iirc

karmic stone Nov 11, 2019, 5:50 PM

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Just gonna point out that fall damage with mounts only happens in Tmod, not vanilla

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So there's literally no reason to not try and make all wings do that

void kelp Nov 11, 2019, 6:31 PM

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is there an indicated cooldown for the statigel immunity effect?

lost agate Nov 11, 2019, 6:32 PM

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The what

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Isnt that just get hit for over x dmg for more i frames?

void kelp Nov 11, 2019, 6:33 PM

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ahhh it was not very clear in the description

lost agate Nov 11, 2019, 6:34 PM

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Yeah, if you take 100 dmg or more you get more i frames and thats that

queen sail Nov 11, 2019, 9:51 PM

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Alreafy suggested and sent to devs

lost agate Nov 11, 2019, 9:52 PM

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Yefs

tired haven Nov 11, 2019, 10:01 PM

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Ye, there is that https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/639344714029465600

karmic stone Nov 11, 2019, 11:33 PM

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Turn the knife into a Rogue weapon or just make a variant?

tawny agate Nov 11, 2019, 11:35 PM

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i was thinking just straight up make it a rogue weapon but a variant might work better? to be frank i have no clue what classifies as a rogue weapon or a projectile melee weapon or where the line is between the two so it'd ultimately just lie with whoever makes that kind of desciion i guess

tired haven Nov 11, 2019, 11:35 PM

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Either way falls under suggestion "don't"s 😔

runic heath Nov 11, 2019, 11:36 PM

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Magma stone doesn't really need to be craftable

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it drops from the hardmode bats too right?

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yeah it drops even more from lava bats too

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at 2% vs 0.67%

tawny agate Nov 11, 2019, 11:37 PM

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oh i'm stupid and just threw something down instead of actually checking the doc before suggesting crabbar, thanks for letting me know and i'll check it in the future lol

runic heath Nov 11, 2019, 11:37 PM

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the reason a lot of items have crafting recipes is because it is possible not to have them in your world

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a common one being sandstorm in a bottle

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or the magic carpet

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It shouldn't take that long to farm for magma stone, and it's kind of a part of the deal sometimes

tired haven Nov 11, 2019, 11:40 PM

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Crag biome also has a lot of chests with magma stone being a common guest here

tawny agate Nov 11, 2019, 11:41 PM

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isn't the magma stone included in the chests in the brimstone crag? i might be remembering wrong (probably am) but doesnt it have things like the obsidian rose, dark lance, etc.

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yeah

tired haven Nov 11, 2019, 11:41 PM

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Ye it does

runic heath Nov 11, 2019, 11:41 PM

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So yeah there really doesn't need to be a recipe for the magma stone

tired haven Nov 11, 2019, 11:41 PM

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(even philosopher's stone is here, lel)

runic heath Nov 11, 2019, 11:41 PM

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it's already a relatively easy to obtain item

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it even drops more often with defiled rune

karmic stone Nov 12, 2019, 12:22 AM

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And Hellbats are pretty common, byhea

ashen warren Nov 12, 2019, 1:38 AM

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is this a specific item suggestion echthink

sinful violet Nov 12, 2019, 1:39 AM

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yes

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mixed with a general suggestion

proven tide Nov 12, 2019, 1:39 AM

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@left solstice i think that counts

hollow shell Nov 12, 2019, 1:39 AM

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@left solstice A few things are wrong with that suggestion.
Do check the Suggestion Don'ts doc in pins

ashen warren Nov 12, 2019, 1:39 AM

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@left solstice

separate your suggestions into separate posts
no specific item suggestions

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ech

proven tide Nov 12, 2019, 1:39 AM

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it hits all the criteria except name

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really

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thank you discord

hollow shell Nov 12, 2019, 1:39 AM

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the mythical triple ping

proven tide Nov 12, 2019, 1:40 AM

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oh NOW it's loading

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@left solstice i think that counts

left solstice Nov 12, 2019, 1:40 AM

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ohhh oki

proven tide Nov 12, 2019, 1:40 AM

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took two fuckin minutes

left solstice Nov 12, 2019, 1:40 AM

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brb

hollow shell Nov 12, 2019, 1:40 AM

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the fabled quadruple ping

ashen warren Nov 12, 2019, 1:40 AM

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thanks for buffering my posts for 15 seconds, discord bruh

left solstice Nov 12, 2019, 1:40 AM

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gimme a moment for that

proven tide Nov 12, 2019, 1:40 AM

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AND IT SENT AGAIN

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bruh

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"15 seconds" i'm sitting here still sending messages from a minute ago

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suffering

hollow shell Nov 12, 2019, 1:40 AM

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Restart Discord

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clear out the miasma

proven tide Nov 12, 2019, 1:41 AM

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sorry about the late ping ~~and the second one~~, waffle

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;;

left solstice Nov 12, 2019, 1:42 AM

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huh?

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ohh

proven tide Nov 12, 2019, 1:42 AM

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i pinged you twice and out of convo flow because discord memes

left solstice Nov 12, 2019, 1:42 AM

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yeah i deleted it after i check that we cant suggest new weapons and stuffs

hollow shell Nov 12, 2019, 1:43 AM

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You can suggest new weapons and thing if you're general about it
Like going no more specific than "Add more bee-related content to the mod", and providing some reasoning for it, is good and valid

left solstice Nov 12, 2019, 1:44 AM

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i see, in that case, can i say something like "add more bee-related content to the mod because we cant use any bee gear for a good chunk of the game?"

hollow shell Nov 12, 2019, 1:45 AM

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(Unless you count PBG's drops)

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And yeah
Probably should have a bit more reasoning than that tho

proven tide Nov 12, 2019, 1:45 AM

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~~speaking of bees, rover...~~

hollow shell Nov 12, 2019, 1:45 AM

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Like, why having a lack of bee content is an issue

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~~What~~

proven tide Nov 12, 2019, 1:45 AM

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~~nightmare bee when~~

hollow shell Nov 12, 2019, 1:45 AM

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~~meme~~

proven tide Nov 12, 2019, 1:46 AM

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~~i paid twenty bucks for it smh~~

left solstice Nov 12, 2019, 1:46 AM

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it isnt a big issue for not many bee stuff its just i like bees ;-;

ashen warren Nov 12, 2019, 2:08 AM

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that arrow sugg sounds neat i 'spose

radiant meadow Nov 12, 2019, 3:13 AM

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@winged rune update your music mod

hollow idol Nov 12, 2019, 3:13 AM

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go to #mod-downloads

radiant meadow Nov 12, 2019, 3:13 AM

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Astrum Aureus already has Interstellar Stomper

solemn flame Nov 12, 2019, 3:13 AM

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Beat me to it

slate crown Nov 12, 2019, 3:38 AM

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@supple lodge get fargo's mutant mod for that and other QoL item crafts with their respective banners

winged rune Nov 12, 2019, 3:38 AM

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Really rotom?

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because i download a new version

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and

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still the same

ashen warren Nov 12, 2019, 3:40 AM

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Stomper is 100% in

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it was added in the same update that changed all the music files to .ogg instead of .mp3

unique vector Nov 12, 2019, 4:49 AM

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whats an EoM class

ashen warren Nov 12, 2019, 4:49 AM

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use the whole name and not an acronym in suggestions

unique vector Nov 12, 2019, 4:50 AM

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@ashen warren

ashen warren Nov 12, 2019, 4:50 AM

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If you want to use an acronym it helps to define it

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thanks pixl

lost agate Nov 12, 2019, 4:52 AM

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Eye of magnus i suppose

cobalt rose Nov 12, 2019, 4:52 AM

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i mean, im pretty sure its supposed to be Eye of Magnus

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:spidermanhandguns:

void kelp Nov 12, 2019, 4:52 AM

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it’d still help to clearly define it

lost agate Nov 12, 2019, 4:52 AM

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Isnt the eye of magnus just for healing and free magic dmg

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Making it classless removes from what makes them different

hollow shell Nov 12, 2019, 5:01 AM

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@ashen warren Please unabbreviate

cobalt rose Nov 12, 2019, 5:02 AM

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he could be offline atm :/

hollow shell Nov 12, 2019, 5:02 AM

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He posted the suggestion like 10 minutes ago

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(Bad conduct to post a suggestion and then leave immediately)

void kelp Nov 12, 2019, 5:03 AM

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unfortunately is a trend with some types of suggestion :c

hollow shell Nov 12, 2019, 5:04 AM

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Also, it costs 7 mana and restores 25 mana
It's a net gain.

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No other classes use mana except summoner, and it's not really an active resource for them

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I'd still be fine with making it classless considering it does have the healing benefit, and to make it consistent with Lunic Eye

The suggestion itself could be better tho

lost agate Nov 12, 2019, 5:06 AM

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I mean, that way it would only be lunic eye but heal

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Which is eeeeh

hollow shell Nov 12, 2019, 5:07 AM

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Eye of Magnus doesn't inflict Marked.

lost agate Nov 12, 2019, 5:07 AM

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Yes i know

hollow shell Nov 12, 2019, 5:07 AM

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So the prime utility of Lunic Eye is not present

lost agate Nov 12, 2019, 5:07 AM

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But everything else is

hollow shell Nov 12, 2019, 5:08 AM

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"everything else" being

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a homing projectile.

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and literally nothing else :P

lost agate Nov 12, 2019, 5:08 AM

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Homing projectile, crater explosion on hit, use sound, no piercing

cobalt rose Nov 12, 2019, 5:08 AM

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"use sound"

hollow shell Nov 12, 2019, 5:08 AM

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Two of which are not utilities

lost agate Nov 12, 2019, 5:09 AM

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Im pretty sure the explosion does stuff

hollow shell Nov 12, 2019, 5:09 AM

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I'm pretty sure it's aesthetic

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lemme check

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Magnus's page says it's decorative and Lunic's doesn't mention it (for some reason)
but

lemme check

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Yo actually it looks like it does deal damage
It seems to exist for one second with infinite piercing and using local immunity frames

lost agate Nov 12, 2019, 5:13 AM

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Yup

hollow shell Nov 12, 2019, 5:13 AM

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Will edit the pages.

radiant pawn Nov 12, 2019, 11:46 AM

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So your suggestion is to make a mana regen weapon classless

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uhh

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just make it so that it consumes 1 mana and regens like 2, 5 or 10

hollow saffron Nov 12, 2019, 1:57 PM

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classless mana regen weapon taxevasion

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its obviously supposed to be for mages

proven tide Nov 12, 2019, 2:18 PM

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I was seconds away from sleeping. Why, Danny, why?

zenith hazel Nov 12, 2019, 2:18 PM

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@gritty flower no meme suggestions please

queen delta Nov 12, 2019, 2:18 PM

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No specific item suggestions please

proven tide Nov 12, 2019, 2:18 PM

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@gritty flower n-

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Well, fuck.

ashen warren Nov 12, 2019, 2:18 PM

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ech

proven tide Nov 12, 2019, 2:19 PM

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mobile

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everyone just descended from the heavens with a resounding NO

gritty flower Nov 12, 2019, 2:19 PM

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DONT YOU WANT A TRUE MELEE TO HIT SCAL WITH?

ashen warren Nov 12, 2019, 2:19 PM

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specific item suggestion

zenith hazel Nov 12, 2019, 2:19 PM

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I would if it wasn't a meme

ashen warren Nov 12, 2019, 2:19 PM

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~~kill?~~

zenith hazel Nov 12, 2019, 2:19 PM

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it was pretty much going in the direction of a meme anyway

proven tide Nov 12, 2019, 2:20 PM

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~~man the simultaneous takedowns from two directions are real bruhs to witness~~

gritty flower Nov 12, 2019, 2:20 PM

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...~~not really~~

ashen warren Nov 12, 2019, 2:20 PM

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no specific item suggestions
put your suggestions here so you can get feedback first

queen delta Nov 12, 2019, 2:20 PM

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Big-Big sword

ashen warren Nov 12, 2019, 2:20 PM

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finna mute

queen delta Nov 12, 2019, 2:20 PM

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Sounds meme-ish to me

zenith hazel Nov 12, 2019, 2:20 PM

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100% not meme, no siree

queen delta Nov 12, 2019, 2:20 PM

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And it falls under specific item suggestions anyways

proven tide Nov 12, 2019, 2:20 PM

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man that shit was funny the first time it was mentioned in convo

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but as soon as I saw the sugg notif

zenith hazel Nov 12, 2019, 2:21 PM

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feel free to do whatever you want with them, gonna leave this one for the tmods

gritty flower Nov 12, 2019, 2:21 PM

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It’s like... literally the biggest fucking sword ever. HUMONGOUS. It’s like Night’s Edge went to the gym

proven tide Nov 12, 2019, 2:21 PM

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... true night's edge

gritty flower Nov 12, 2019, 2:21 PM

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Or the Breaker Blade

proven tide Nov 12, 2019, 2:21 PM

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henkhenkhenk

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I'm going to stop giving this oxygen

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Byeah1

gritty flower Nov 12, 2019, 2:22 PM

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The Bigger Blade

ruby cobalt Nov 12, 2019, 2:22 PM

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terry, can you cut off the life support on this one

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thank you

ashen warren Nov 12, 2019, 2:23 PM

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@gritty flower

no specific item suggestions
put suggestions here for feedback before going to #suggestions-voting
did you read pins????
stop shitposting in here

radiant pawn Nov 12, 2019, 2:36 PM

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Why making a massive blade when you can make a strong true melee weapon that massively damages scal when you manage to hit her

cobalt rose Nov 12, 2019, 3:42 PM

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Change the Feral Bite Debuff
The Feral Bite debuff's randomly inflicted debuffs are often annoying in pre-hardmode and a bit useless in hardmode, due to the ankh charm/ankh shield. I would suggest changing Feral Bite so it decreases the players stats such as defense and damage reduction instead of inflicting random debuffs.

what do you guys think about this suggestion?

brittle merlin Nov 12, 2019, 3:44 PM

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~~wait what does feral bite even do~~

ashen warren Nov 12, 2019, 3:45 PM

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random debuffs

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like suddenly you have confused and walk into lava before you even realize you have a debuff

brittle merlin Nov 12, 2019, 3:45 PM

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wtf thats a really stupid debuff

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its from vanilla, right?

ashen warren Nov 12, 2019, 3:46 PM

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hahaech

cobalt rose Nov 12, 2019, 3:46 PM

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Increases player damage by 20%
Reduces health regen
Randomly inflicts Darkness, Cursed, Confused, Slow, Weak or Silenced

naive ferry Nov 12, 2019, 3:46 PM

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yes

ruby cobalt Nov 12, 2019, 3:50 PM

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and it also lasts like a minute

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so have fun

cobalt rose Nov 12, 2019, 3:50 PM

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so... do you guys think its okay to sumbit now? thonk

ruby cobalt Nov 12, 2019, 3:50 PM

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it's ok to submit it

ashen warren Nov 12, 2019, 4:00 PM

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Headpat

sand umbra Nov 12, 2019, 4:06 PM

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Feral Bite is cool on paper

cobalt rose Nov 12, 2019, 4:06 PM

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but bad in practice

sand umbra Nov 12, 2019, 4:06 PM

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but from a balancing standpoint it's actually fucking stupid to deal with

cobalt rose Nov 12, 2019, 4:06 PM

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~~just like communism~~

sand umbra Nov 12, 2019, 4:06 PM

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(though, then again, this same thing can be said about a lot of the mechanics Terraria employs as a whole)

cobalt rose Nov 12, 2019, 4:07 PM

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true...

sand umbra Nov 12, 2019, 4:07 PM

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still, I'm totally down for Feral Bite being less stupid

cobalt rose Nov 12, 2019, 4:09 PM

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i mean, this change will also make feral bite something to avoid in hardmode, since most people use the ankh shield/upgrades of it at that point

sand umbra Nov 12, 2019, 4:10 PM

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mfw once you have Ankh Shield shit, Feral Bite is entirely a buff

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hahayes

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well, almost entirely since Darkness is still bruh

cobalt rose Nov 12, 2019, 4:11 PM

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doesnt ankh shield provide immunity to darkness

sand umbra Nov 12, 2019, 4:12 PM

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does it? I have no idea

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lemme check

cobalt rose Nov 12, 2019, 4:12 PM

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blindfold

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in the recipe

sand umbra Nov 12, 2019, 4:12 PM

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oh my god yeah it does

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so all of Feral Bite's negative effects are completely nulled

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calawheeze

cobalt rose Nov 12, 2019, 4:14 PM

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also, im pretty sure only two (types of) enemies inflict feral bite: bats and duke fishron

sand umbra Nov 12, 2019, 4:14 PM

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yeah the Duke and every bat to ever bat

cobalt rose Nov 12, 2019, 4:15 PM

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do any calamity enemies inflict it?

sand umbra Nov 12, 2019, 4:16 PM

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Great Sand Bruh

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...and that's all I know of

cobalt rose Nov 12, 2019, 4:17 PM

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i mean, i can see why not many enemies inflict it
its shit LUL

sand umbra Nov 12, 2019, 4:18 PM

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okay also Maulers and Reapbruh Sharks

ruby cobalt Nov 12, 2019, 4:45 PM

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so basically bats and very big sharks

lost agate Nov 12, 2019, 4:47 PM

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I mean, it makes sense, but the debuff is ass

gusty geode Nov 12, 2019, 4:54 PM

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I mean
How else would you translate rabies into a debuff in this game

lost agate Nov 12, 2019, 4:55 PM

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You die

gusty geode Nov 12, 2019, 4:56 PM

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Is this when I should taxevasion

queen sail Nov 12, 2019, 4:59 PM

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How else would you translate rabies into a debuff in this game

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I dunno but something that’s actually more than “You occasionally get random debuffs”

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Because I’m pretty sure real life rabies is more than that

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taxevasion

marble mirage Nov 12, 2019, 5:00 PM

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i mean
you get angry and then you immediately die

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imagine if feral bite just gave you strong stats, but instakilled you after the buff ran out

hallow kraken Nov 12, 2019, 5:02 PM

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duke fishron

terse sundial Nov 12, 2019, 5:11 PM

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Death Mode is meant to push progression

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it's meant to keep you moving

solar ocean Nov 12, 2019, 5:14 PM

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killing a player with a random boss as they're trying to progress is quite counter intuitive then, no?

swift bison Nov 12, 2019, 5:15 PM

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A better thing to suggest would be to add a mod config to disable random boss spawning

solar ocean Nov 12, 2019, 5:15 PM

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read the whole thing

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i gave that alternative in my suggestion

void kelp Nov 12, 2019, 5:16 PM

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aren’t the criterion for boss spawning dependent on like, health, equipment, etc

teal ibex Nov 12, 2019, 5:16 PM

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just stats

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defense and hp namely

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and that might only apply to vanilla spawns

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either way, the stat minimums are NOT scaled to make the spawns reasonable

void kelp Nov 12, 2019, 5:16 PM

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I’d propose to change it so that the stat minimums are scaled tbh

teal ibex Nov 12, 2019, 5:17 PM

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especially when destroyer spawns first night of hardmode

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honestly id propose to replace it with something actually interesting

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with deathmode spawns you are either:
already prepared and its free
hiding underground
dead

solar ocean Nov 12, 2019, 5:17 PM

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i'm in for that, as long as it isn't this counter productive to the very gameplay loop of the game

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even worse about the current mechanic is that if you get the wrong boss in the wrong place you're guaranteed to die

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like for early game, how the desert scourge is invulnerable everywhere but in deserts

teal ibex Nov 12, 2019, 5:19 PM

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imagine if it summoned like, a couple minibosses of the biome you're in instead or something

solar ocean Nov 12, 2019, 5:19 PM

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thing about this mechanic is

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it's already in the game

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it simply isn't as frequent, nor does it apply to modded bosses

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i still find it annoying then, but it's much less so

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i really have no idea of how to tweak it without making it unfun, because it just works so badly atm

teal ibex Nov 12, 2019, 5:20 PM

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it applies to some modded -- i know it can spawn crab

solar ocean Nov 12, 2019, 5:20 PM

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oh ok

teal ibex Nov 12, 2019, 5:21 PM

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im not sure exactly which i just know SPECIFICALLY crab can hecticCool

left crest Nov 12, 2019, 5:21 PM

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Just so ya know, if the boss coming is a specific biome boss (such as DS) if you leave that biome it doesn’t come

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iirc could be wrong

solar ocean Nov 12, 2019, 5:22 PM

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i remember a few times that not being the case

teal ibex Nov 12, 2019, 5:22 PM

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i know bare minimum underground is safe

solar ocean Nov 12, 2019, 5:22 PM

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ex: me going back to spawn to fight the boss, and it indeed spawning

teal ibex Nov 12, 2019, 5:22 PM

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except for like crab

solar ocean Nov 12, 2019, 5:23 PM

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i remember the eye spawning underground for me (though i guess i could've not been deep enough? idk)

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the scourge spawned multiple times in the ocean for me

left crest Nov 12, 2019, 5:23 PM

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not deep enough

acoustic ferry Nov 12, 2019, 5:23 PM

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when i tried to get cryo to not fuck me for existing, i left for a desert and he still spawned when i came back to snow biome thonk

left crest Nov 12, 2019, 5:23 PM

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yeah you have to be in the biome when it’s supposed to spawn iirc

solar ocean Nov 12, 2019, 5:26 PM

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i've got the desert scourge spawning in the ocean, so i'm not sure if that applies to all bosses

swift bison Nov 12, 2019, 5:33 PM

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Am i allowed to resend suggestions that got 90 stars but were neither approved or rejected?

tired haven Nov 12, 2019, 5:35 PM

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About the Feral Bite debuff, halved health regen is quite a threat even with shield on, but well, maybe something different could be neat

And mmm, was it sent to server or completely dismissed? How long since the suggestion reached 90 stars?

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Old suggestions are unlikely to get a proper reaction ( 👍 or 🚫 ) due to recent implementation of them and constant stream of new suggestions

swift bison Nov 12, 2019, 5:41 PM

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it was actually sent to the server, but it was neither approved or denied despite having been sent almost immediately after the approval and denial system was first implemented

ashen warren Nov 12, 2019, 5:41 PM

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Are you referring to the discussion of unbans after a period of 6 months?

swift bison Nov 12, 2019, 5:42 PM

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I'm referring to the Config option to enable DoG sentinel phase post DoG

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i learned that people can already DM mods to appeal bans

terse sundial Nov 12, 2019, 5:43 PM

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Recent Suggestions Approved
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/642822596424892436
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/641792291769679895
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/641701164471287809

tired haven Nov 12, 2019, 5:47 PM

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Yeah, this suggestion is pretty old so I doubt it would actually receive the mark at this point

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If you look around it, none of sent suggestions did

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If you repost it, that would count as ☑ so mhm

clear basin Nov 12, 2019, 7:09 PM

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Thank you merk for doing these it helps a lot

marble mirage Nov 12, 2019, 7:17 PM

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aw heck i just realized that my suggestion got approved
yay

ashen warren Nov 12, 2019, 8:12 PM

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@ashen warren
no boss suggestions
read pins

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Oh

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Thank you very much!!

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Both of you 😄

gusty geode Nov 12, 2019, 8:15 PM

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One of those suggestions is a cosmetic change to a boss fight
One's a cosmetic change to a few items
One's optimization
And the other could arguably be called a bug fix

ashen warren Nov 12, 2019, 8:15 PM

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@left solstice you realize we have suggestion rules right

left solstice Nov 12, 2019, 8:15 PM

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?

ashen warren Nov 12, 2019, 8:15 PM

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right??

left solstice Nov 12, 2019, 8:16 PM

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i dont get why i was pinged ;-;

ashen warren Nov 12, 2019, 8:16 PM

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dont point a boss sugma directly to #suggestions-voting next time

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point it here

left solstice Nov 12, 2019, 8:16 PM

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kk, will do

ashen warren Nov 12, 2019, 8:17 PM

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I'm sorry for getting you into trouble.

left solstice Nov 12, 2019, 8:17 PM

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its good

lost agate Nov 12, 2019, 10:08 PM

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Im not too sure if theres a global variable for hook reach and speed

left crest Nov 12, 2019, 10:11 PM

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Terraria wiki has values for them, you can just copypaste that

lost agate Nov 12, 2019, 10:11 PM

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Actually

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The stats shown on the wings dont change if you get better mobility right?

left crest Nov 12, 2019, 10:12 PM

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Iirc nope

lost agate Nov 12, 2019, 10:12 PM

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Well that explains a lot

hollow shell Nov 12, 2019, 10:13 PM

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Yeah they're static tooltips.

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Just base stats.

lost agate Nov 12, 2019, 10:14 PM

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Ah well then, then its easily doable

queen delta Nov 12, 2019, 11:57 PM

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What do you guys think about adding a special key to unlock the abyss chest on the bottom?

tropic marsh Nov 12, 2019, 11:57 PM

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would depend on what the ingredients/method is

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the item in said chest isn't exactly some overpowered thing

queen delta Nov 12, 2019, 11:58 PM

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Yeah I was just thinking something besides shadow key

tropic marsh Nov 12, 2019, 11:59 PM

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why do you want to make it locked

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by something else*

queen delta Nov 12, 2019, 11:59 PM

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Dunno, it just feels odd to have it be locked by a shadow key, the same key that can open the chests not as deep in the abyss, and other stuff

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Just an idea

tropic marsh Nov 13, 2019, 12:00 AM

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I mean, the chest could just be unlocked for all it matters

void kelp Nov 13, 2019, 12:00 AM

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it might also help indicate to people that no, you shouldn’t summon boss rush post-skele

queen delta Nov 13, 2019, 12:02 AM

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I'm sure they'd find out when they get absolutely destroyed by queen bee

quiet abyss Nov 13, 2019, 12:06 AM

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Don’t really see the point in it, but I suppose there’s nothing wrong with that either.

tired haven Nov 13, 2019, 12:09 AM

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If something I want abyss key for all chests, but mhm

elfin maple Nov 13, 2019, 12:19 AM

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Add the Moon Lord screen shake effect to the screen in small amounts as the pillars are destroyed, with it increasing in frequency or intensity as you destroy more of them.
Why: I think it would be a neat addition since as you destroy the pillars, the Moon Lord would seem to be getting "closer" until the final one is destroyed. I feel like that makes sense and it would also look cool.

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how is this

lost agate Nov 13, 2019, 12:21 AM

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dizzy

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and perhaps ruins the sudden feeling

void kelp Nov 13, 2019, 12:22 AM

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maybe.. “add a similar effect when you kill an atlas post-cultist to help the player know that killing more of them will cause something to happen”

tired haven Nov 13, 2019, 12:22 AM

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Playing mods before playing vanilla is a rare scenario ngl

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So the sudden feeling shouldn't be sudden anymore for ML

elfin maple Nov 13, 2019, 12:23 AM

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mhm

tired haven Nov 13, 2019, 12:23 AM

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(but it will be on pillars)

elfin maple Nov 13, 2019, 12:23 AM

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mhm

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i just said mhm twice i must now leave

lost agate Nov 13, 2019, 12:35 AM

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i mean, i would honestly find it annoying if anything

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something like "ah shit i forgot to get a wasp gun for my swarmer"
then every like 5 seconds i get a screen shake and god knows how long it will take to get a wasp gun

tired haven Nov 13, 2019, 12:56 AM

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Wait, I assumed a single instance
Constant mind numb will be wack

void kelp Nov 13, 2019, 1:02 AM

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ain’t the wyrm pet in calamity’s vanities ?

proven tide Nov 13, 2019, 1:02 AM

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@mellow dust 1. the devs don't like making vanities because they require a disproportionate amount of effort for zero reward
2. check out calamity's vanities for an existing wyrm pet

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(it doesn't float around because stardust-dragon-type pets is one of the worst ideas to ever exist, but it does wriggle)

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i just realised you yourself mentioned the idea of it being stardust-dragon-type

radiant meadow Nov 13, 2019, 1:06 AM

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damnit hec

proven tide Nov 13, 2019, 1:06 AM

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oof

void kelp Nov 13, 2019, 1:07 AM

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hec’s wholesome experience has caused wyrm pet suggestions to be like... at least once every few weeks

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but yes! calamities’ vanities has what you want

mellow dust Nov 13, 2019, 1:07 AM

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Yeah, I thought it would be using the same sprites as the existing wyrms and maybe even the same code as existing summons. But I understand it doesn't really have an influence on the gameplay

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Ohh

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Wait

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Is calamities vanities a mod?

proven tide Nov 13, 2019, 1:08 AM

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yes

mellow dust Nov 13, 2019, 1:08 AM

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Oh, haven't heard of it before. Makes sense

proven tide Nov 13, 2019, 1:08 AM

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~~also: summon-ai pets is a nightmare to think about, let alone sd-type~~

void kelp Nov 13, 2019, 1:08 AM

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it’s a very nice mod

proven tide Nov 13, 2019, 1:09 AM

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~~also also using the full eidolon wyrm sprite at the size of the dragon is like making the dog the size of a dune splicer~~

void kelp Nov 13, 2019, 1:09 AM

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it adds all those small calamity themed pets and costumes that you probably want! they even have a cnidrion pet

proven tide Nov 13, 2019, 1:09 AM

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~~it would be nightmarishly hd~~

mellow dust Nov 13, 2019, 1:09 AM

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Yeah, that would be crazy

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Thats pretty sweet tho lol

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Those pets actually look so adorable

void kelp Nov 13, 2019, 1:11 AM

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hey, can the pinned doc have some edits to it?

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mostly stuff like “pets” since the vanity mod exists and also it might help to include the fact that there is some rogue-throwing compatibility

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@unkempt cedar it might help out to give a damage value

zenith hazel Nov 13, 2019, 1:12 AM

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that’s... the whole point of yharon

unkempt cedar Nov 13, 2019, 1:12 AM

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i jhut did

void kelp Nov 13, 2019, 1:12 AM

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are you fighting yharon in multiplaye?

unkempt cedar Nov 13, 2019, 1:13 AM

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yes

zenith hazel Nov 13, 2019, 1:13 AM

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you’re supposed to avoid his body

unkempt cedar Nov 13, 2019, 1:13 AM

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he does like 15k damage

void kelp Nov 13, 2019, 1:13 AM

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oh, you’re fighting it in multiplayer.

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that’s a bug.

zenith hazel Nov 13, 2019, 1:13 AM

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then that’s a multiplayer problem, not a death mode problem

void kelp Nov 13, 2019, 1:13 AM

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the players are desynced from the server so he assumes you’re not in the biome

mellow dust Nov 13, 2019, 1:13 AM

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I got furious last playthrough too lol

unkempt cedar Nov 13, 2019, 1:13 AM

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k then ill change to multiplayer deathmode

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its just like okay so 4 k damage constantly

zenith hazel Nov 13, 2019, 1:13 AM

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that bug is hard to fix

tropic marsh Nov 13, 2019, 1:13 AM

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multiplayer isn't gonna get fixed like that

mellow dust Nov 13, 2019, 1:13 AM

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I was playing with some friends and we kept getting oneshotted

void kelp Nov 13, 2019, 1:13 AM

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that’s not a suggestion, it’s a bug

unkempt cedar Nov 13, 2019, 1:14 AM

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armageddon activated: oh no difference that isnt exciting

zenith hazel Nov 13, 2019, 1:14 AM

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just fight it in singleplayer

void kelp Nov 13, 2019, 1:14 AM

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it’s actually one of the more prevalent bugs that the devs have tried to fix like.. several times

unkempt cedar Nov 13, 2019, 1:14 AM

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cant

zenith hazel Nov 13, 2019, 1:14 AM

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there’s no definitive solution

unkempt cedar Nov 13, 2019, 1:14 AM

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nvm then lol

teal ibex Nov 13, 2019, 1:14 AM

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@radiant meadow hecticSmug

mellow dust Nov 13, 2019, 1:14 AM

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Doesnt it make him like permanently enraged or something?

teal ibex Nov 13, 2019, 1:14 AM

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just make it something you can fish up

void kelp Nov 13, 2019, 1:14 AM

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yeah, bc of server desync

zenith hazel Nov 13, 2019, 1:14 AM

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he’s enraged, yea

unkempt cedar Nov 13, 2019, 1:14 AM

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its not just with the contact its with the projectiles too sometimes

zenith hazel Nov 13, 2019, 1:14 AM

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that’s his enraged behavior

radiant meadow Nov 13, 2019, 1:15 AM

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okay but coding the pet in the first place can be GWchadThink

tropic marsh Nov 13, 2019, 1:15 AM

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multiplayer is super buggy

zenith hazel Nov 13, 2019, 1:15 AM

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again, if you fight him in singleplayer, it’ll be normal

tropic marsh Nov 13, 2019, 1:15 AM

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just in general

radiant meadow Nov 13, 2019, 1:15 AM

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~~actually probably copy paste of an existing pet~~

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but like my spriting skills are god tier so it's not going to happen

sand umbra Nov 13, 2019, 1:15 AM

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staff of the bugworm 2: pet edition

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🛫

radiant meadow Nov 13, 2019, 1:16 AM

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oh, if someone sprites segments, I'll flat out tell them no

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CompleteFailure

sand umbra Nov 13, 2019, 1:16 AM

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now featuring Jared as he does everything Mechworm can do and does it better

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CompleteFailure

radiant meadow Nov 13, 2019, 1:16 AM

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make it 1 projectile please

void kelp Nov 13, 2019, 1:17 AM

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iirc they have an eidolon wyrm pet in calamity’s vanities so there’s no need for one in main

mellow dust Nov 13, 2019, 1:17 AM

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How is Yharons rage determined, height and just being outside of the tornadoes right?

unkempt cedar Nov 13, 2019, 1:17 AM

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yes

void kelp Nov 13, 2019, 1:17 AM

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yep

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in multiplayer it gets super buggy and messed up

mellow dust Nov 13, 2019, 1:17 AM

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Could it be, in multiplayer it counts the distance of both players and adds them up?

void kelp Nov 13, 2019, 1:17 AM

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bc the server doesn’t really know whether all players are in range

mellow dust Nov 13, 2019, 1:17 AM

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Or more than 2

zenith hazel Nov 13, 2019, 1:17 AM

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it’s a desync problem iirc

void kelp Nov 13, 2019, 1:18 AM

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also,, maybe a good discussion in #bugs-read-pins ?

mellow dust Nov 13, 2019, 1:18 AM

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Oh yeah sorry

void kelp Nov 13, 2019, 1:18 AM

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it’s a desync issue, yeah

zenith hazel Nov 13, 2019, 1:18 AM

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either way, it’s hard to fix

dreamy basin Nov 13, 2019, 1:19 AM

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I know specific items are a no no, but why isn't there a version of the cursed capper for the crimson?

void kelp Nov 13, 2019, 1:20 AM

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probably bc ichor is overpowered

dreamy basin Nov 13, 2019, 1:20 AM

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Fair

void kelp Nov 13, 2019, 1:20 AM

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but there used to be a melee weapon for crimson that was recently removed since it was basically just bladetongue

queen delta Nov 13, 2019, 1:21 AM

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Calamity makes cursed flames almost the same level as ichor tho

sand umbra Nov 13, 2019, 1:21 AM

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not really

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it gives it a buff so it can stand at all on its own

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Ichor still curbstomps it twice over

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HDfailure

radiant meadow Nov 13, 2019, 1:21 AM

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I think the only crimson exclusive weapon w/o a counterpart in calamity is everglade spray

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at least, that I remember

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and golden gun I guess

queen delta Nov 13, 2019, 1:21 AM

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Honestly I'd rather cursed flames be changed to be something like a stacking debuff

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like daybreak, but can stack more

radiant meadow Nov 13, 2019, 1:22 AM

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corruption has soul harvester and cursed capper

dreamy basin Nov 13, 2019, 1:22 AM

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Didn't the corruption have a lot more stuff added to it than the Crimson?

queen delta Nov 13, 2019, 1:22 AM

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Starts off at normal DoT, then gets stronger and stronger the more times its inflicted

sand umbra Nov 13, 2019, 1:23 AM

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so Daybreak's version of Daybroken, but obtainable way earlier and actually usable

queen delta Nov 13, 2019, 1:23 AM

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Ichor takes away defense and DR, cursed flames shed away damage ignoring defense and DR

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Yeah

sand umbra Nov 13, 2019, 1:23 AM

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I can get behind this

radiant meadow Nov 13, 2019, 1:23 AM

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how to code though?

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because I'm not making everything that inflicts cursed flames stick to targets

dreamy basin Nov 13, 2019, 1:23 AM

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Maybe to add on to that there can be accessories that increase the number of stacks it can go up by, or increase DoT.

void kelp Nov 13, 2019, 1:24 AM

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suggest it :0

dreamy basin Nov 13, 2019, 1:24 AM

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Nein.

sand umbra Nov 13, 2019, 1:24 AM

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couldn't it be set up something like Nebula boosters?

dreamy basin Nov 13, 2019, 1:24 AM

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I forgot nebula boosters were a thing.

sand umbra Nov 13, 2019, 1:24 AM

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concept seems pretty similar to those, just as a debuff instead of a buff

void kelp Nov 13, 2019, 1:25 AM

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can it apply to enemies, though?

unkempt cedar Nov 13, 2019, 1:25 AM

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shouldnt we not be talking here and somewhere else like #calamity-mod-talk

queen delta Nov 13, 2019, 1:26 AM

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This is talking about an idea I posted above, so it's still on topic

sand umbra Nov 13, 2019, 1:26 AM

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can it apply to enemies, though?

...yes, CI can apply to enemies

tired haven Nov 13, 2019, 1:26 AM

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I think beetle scalemail buff is pretty close in concept

void kelp Nov 13, 2019, 1:26 AM

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so the suggestion would be smth like.. “change how cursed flames works to help it be on par to ichor”

sand umbra Nov 13, 2019, 1:26 AM

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and I'm almost certain it's easily possible to have something just like Nebula boosters work on enemies

void kelp Nov 13, 2019, 1:26 AM

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oh no I meant the nebula boost effect, thom

sand umbra Nov 13, 2019, 1:26 AM

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ah

dreamy basin Nov 13, 2019, 1:26 AM

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Nah just nerf ichor into the ground to the point of uselessness LUL

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Then people will use cursed flames.

sand umbra Nov 13, 2019, 1:27 AM

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the nebula boost effect itself can't be applied to enemies, but I was moreso referring to the general idea of "inflicting buff/debuff increases effectiveness by X, and every Y seconds, effectiveness decreases by Z"

fleet night Nov 13, 2019, 1:27 AM

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Calamity's vanitys already does the eidolon pet.

queen delta Nov 13, 2019, 1:27 AM

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Already been said

dreamy basin Nov 13, 2019, 1:28 AM

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The idea for flasks that applied to range came to mind, but then I remembered that's why we have bullet types.

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And arrow types*

mellow dust Nov 13, 2019, 1:41 AM

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I'll delete my suggestion, It only causes spam in this channel.

left crest Nov 13, 2019, 1:50 AM

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The sugg here would cause pain during deus fight

elder mist Nov 13, 2019, 1:51 AM

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you're destroying pillars during deus' fight?

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interesting

dreamy basin Nov 13, 2019, 1:52 AM

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Neato

left crest Nov 13, 2019, 1:52 AM

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ohh I thought they meant something else

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like it would just persist if there were x number of pillars still left

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so if you killed all the pillars but 1 you would have constant screenshake

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but no that makes more sense

queen sail Nov 13, 2019, 2:12 AM

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Should Grand Guardian have one more upgrade before Earth

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thonk

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Smth smth legitimate scal true melee

tired haven Nov 13, 2019, 2:15 AM

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I think if there will be yet another exo melee weapon some people gonna reee hard

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echthink

solemn flame Nov 13, 2019, 2:15 AM

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deepthonk

hollow shell Nov 13, 2019, 2:15 AM

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A sword so large it extends across the gap between you and SCal?

tired haven Nov 13, 2019, 2:16 AM

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Would be pretty funny

solemn flame Nov 13, 2019, 2:16 AM

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We need another exo melle weapon imho

sand umbra Nov 13, 2019, 2:16 AM

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every time I see people assume the only solution to true melee SCal is an enormous sword

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I die a little inside

tired haven Nov 13, 2019, 2:16 AM

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I think a spear will be more elegant, albeit at this point it will be basically a gun

hollow shell Nov 13, 2019, 2:16 AM

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Flails are true melee, as long as they don't fire anything as they travel, like Dragon Pow

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so you could have like a Super Golem Fist

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Big Fucking Punch

sand umbra Nov 13, 2019, 2:17 AM

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KO Cannon EX

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OmegaFailure

cobalt rose Nov 13, 2019, 2:17 AM

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TKO Cannon

tired haven Nov 13, 2019, 2:17 AM

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KOCEX Y_ThinkFish

cobalt rose Nov 13, 2019, 2:17 AM

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~~THATS MINE IM TAKING THAT~~

queen sail Nov 13, 2019, 2:18 AM

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Tbf we could, like

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Make scal’s distance movement slower

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ech

tired haven Nov 13, 2019, 2:18 AM

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That would hurt a lot of strats NotLikeDaryl

cobalt rose Nov 13, 2019, 2:18 AM

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why does ranger only have like, two weapons for scal

sand umbra Nov 13, 2019, 2:18 AM

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three

tired haven Nov 13, 2019, 2:18 AM

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Because rogue has one

sand umbra Nov 13, 2019, 2:19 AM

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and at least one of those is DQ bait

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TaxEvasion

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Drat is immensely more viable now, Gale got buffed to the moon unintentionally and then got nerfed, and Photo now actually does anything appreciable

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three is fine given what Auric tier is supposed to be ig

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(consider on similar notes that mage gets exactly one option that is easily obtained and consistent in how it works, and rogue gets exactly one option period)

cobalt rose Nov 13, 2019, 2:20 AM

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~~we can get our exogun as a draedon drop~~

tired haven Nov 13, 2019, 2:21 AM

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Melee has like 4-5,ranger has 3, mage has 1.5, summoner has 0.5, rogue has 1

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Neat

cobalt rose Nov 13, 2019, 2:21 AM

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.5
wat

tired haven Nov 13, 2019, 2:22 AM

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You can only fill 10 slots out of 20-30 with cosmic immat

sand umbra Nov 13, 2019, 2:22 AM

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Cosmic Immaterializer except it still leaves like half your build open for Mechworm and friends

cobalt rose Nov 13, 2019, 2:22 AM

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oh

tired haven Nov 13, 2019, 2:22 AM

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it's not that effective on scal anyway, for some reason

cobalt rose Nov 13, 2019, 2:22 AM

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wait is the .5 in mage the void vortex

sand umbra Nov 13, 2019, 2:22 AM

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the .5 for mage is Vivid Clarity

tired haven Nov 13, 2019, 2:23 AM

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^

cobalt rose Nov 13, 2019, 2:23 AM

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oh

sand umbra Nov 13, 2019, 2:23 AM

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which, while powerful in its own right, is fantastically perplexing to use

cobalt rose Nov 13, 2019, 2:23 AM

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lines everywhere

hollow shell Nov 13, 2019, 2:23 AM

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what about Yhermes Cristal

sand umbra Nov 13, 2019, 2:23 AM

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I was just getting to that

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there are two other notable options for mage at this point, but both of them require an egregious amount of farming Yharon

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and if you're farming Yharon as a mage after his second phase is yeeted, you more than likely already have SSV anyway

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which is a perfectly reasonable pick for SCal

hollow shell Nov 13, 2019, 2:25 AM

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Time to come up with an unrealistic, interesting, and specific method to obtain Yharim's Crystal
which I'll write and then never share with anyone 😎

sand umbra Nov 13, 2019, 2:26 AM

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~~the conclusion I've reached is that we need at least one new Auric-tier wep each for mage and rogue~~

proven tide Nov 13, 2019, 2:33 AM

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Time to come up with an unrealistic, interesting, and specific method to obtain Yharim's Crystal
which I'll write and then never share with anyone 😎

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kill yharim

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wowo

mellow dust Nov 13, 2019, 2:33 AM

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That indeed seems like a very difficult thing to add but would make farming for Yharims Crystal maybe too easy

proven tide Nov 13, 2019, 2:33 AM

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y'see it's interesting because it depends on yharim being implemented owoangery

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and it's unrealistic because it depends on yharim being implemented

shut tide Nov 13, 2019, 2:35 AM

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Deathmode Leviathan was pretty darn painful (rogue), and I finally beat it after many attempts!!!!!

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I got Atlantis.

hollow shell Nov 13, 2019, 2:38 AM

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This is probably doable.

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Doesn't sound impossible

shut tide Nov 13, 2019, 2:38 AM

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The first thing I did? Opened up cheat sheet, typed in "Brackish flask", and placed it in my inventory

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Anyone else find this, to some degree, relatable?

hollow shell Nov 13, 2019, 2:40 AM

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(In fact I'm thinking of a way it could be done right now)

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It's been suggested before

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something similar, at least

lost agate Nov 13, 2019, 2:40 AM

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it has

hollow shell Nov 13, 2019, 2:40 AM

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and it's a good idea
If you're doin a solo melee playthrough, all boss drops that aren't melee are useless to you

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The amount you farm is based on RNG

lost agate Nov 13, 2019, 2:40 AM

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and it always comes down to "too convenient and likely hard to do, not to mention what do if theres several weapon with your class or accesories"

toxic pagoda Nov 13, 2019, 2:42 AM

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Leviathan and Siren are pretty hard; I played death recently too. I wouldn’t want to have to get the weapon I didn’t want

lost agate Nov 13, 2019, 2:43 AM

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i just think theres too many complications in this idea to be even feasible, not to mention how do you even register what class you hit a boss with

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or hell what do you do with that on MP

earnest raptor Nov 13, 2019, 2:45 AM

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Use code from Extreme DPS.

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Count damage from each player and give them respective weapon.

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👌

lost agate Nov 13, 2019, 2:46 AM

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idek what extreme dps is nor if we can even use their code

toxic pagoda Nov 13, 2019, 2:46 AM

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Does that work with treasure bags though?

earnest raptor Nov 13, 2019, 2:46 AM

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You can write DPS numbers as tags in treasure bag.

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TagCompound.

lost agate Nov 13, 2019, 2:47 AM

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so what does it do

earnest raptor Nov 13, 2019, 2:47 AM

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Shows damage from each player in boss battle.

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There is ranking table with players and his damage.

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Shuckles 25945
Mrrp 18741
Cooper 12564

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Like that.

lost agate Nov 13, 2019, 2:49 AM

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that saves the dmg

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but what about the dmg type

hollow shell Nov 13, 2019, 2:49 AM

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I assume it keeps track of damage type, too

earnest raptor Nov 13, 2019, 2:49 AM

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https://forums.terraria.org/index.php?threads/dpsextreme-team-dps-and-boss-damage-stats-meter.66876/

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tModLoader - DPSExtreme - Team DPS and Boss Damage Stats Meter

DPSExtreme
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Ever wondered who dealt the most damage to a boss? Ever felt the need to track your Damage Per Second in relation to your friends? Have you ever wanted sweet...

hollow shell Nov 13, 2019, 2:49 AM

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otherwise it's not very relevant

lost agate Nov 13, 2019, 2:49 AM

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also who knows how mod compatible that would be

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we could have bosses dropping mage weapons as a bard (i think bard was mage internally?)

earnest raptor Nov 13, 2019, 2:50 AM

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If there is no way to check modded types of damage, then idk.

lost agate Nov 13, 2019, 2:50 AM

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does this mod record the dmg type tho?

hollow shell Nov 13, 2019, 2:50 AM

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It doesn't look like it

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nothin on the page

earnest raptor Nov 13, 2019, 2:51 AM

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No. But it's possible.

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I mean, that you can check damage and types of damage per each player.

lost agate Nov 13, 2019, 2:51 AM

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Well i have 0 clue how

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so

its still kinda complicated and would legit need us to redo loot entirely
We cant grab some mod's code just like that
even then this mod doesnt have what we need

hollow shell Nov 13, 2019, 2:54 AM

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It does have some aspect that'd be useful
like keeping track of the damage that each player individually, which we could use for bag-related things

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Keeping track of damage type is the big one tho

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Somebody'd need to figure out how to do that

lost agate Nov 13, 2019, 2:55 AM

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and all of that just so you dont kill the boss some more times

hollow shell Nov 13, 2019, 2:55 AM

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Yeah

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... which I would like to see fixed

earnest raptor Nov 13, 2019, 2:56 AM

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You can take mod's code, because it's open sourced HDfailure

lost agate Nov 13, 2019, 2:56 AM

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its a problem lying within the very core mechanic of terraria

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so its gonna be something to change

hollow shell Nov 13, 2019, 2:56 AM

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Well not really?

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Boss drops are just one rand statement
nothing inherent to Terraria code at all

lost agate Nov 13, 2019, 2:57 AM

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It would need all boss loot remade

hollow shell Nov 13, 2019, 2:57 AM

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We could just do it for our bosses

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Figuring out how to mess with vanilla drops would be harder, alone, than working out how to implement this suggestion for Calamity bosses

left crest Nov 13, 2019, 2:58 AM

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far fetched way to work that idea, remove weapon drops, except rare drops (i.e. SHPC), from bag and drop a weapon for the class that the player is holding, so no bag foolery

lost agate Nov 13, 2019, 2:59 AM

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well imagine youre a summoner and holding a classless weapon

hollow shell Nov 13, 2019, 2:59 AM

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Well we have control over our own bags so that won't really be a problem

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and yeah the damage dealt during the fight is the most surefire way to drop the relevant weapon

left crest Nov 13, 2019, 2:59 AM

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yeah that'd be better

loud steeple Nov 13, 2019, 3:32 AM

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I could find a issue or 2.on the most damege way

shut tide Nov 13, 2019, 3:38 AM

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As I said, my suggestion is ridiculous. However, the part that won’t change until something is done is the fact that farming for boss weapons, to a little extent, ruins the fun of the game

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It wastes too much time (unless you’re one of those fortunate players unlike me that gets what you want from a boss almost instantly)

quartz hare Nov 13, 2019, 4:06 AM

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Hi Grill, nice suggestion if someone dont wants to change class, but anyways chance is still exists

gusty geode Nov 13, 2019, 4:14 AM

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Hasn't this been suggested several times already
And rejected every time it came up

proven tide Nov 13, 2019, 4:27 AM

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@cloud surge that would mean each laser would have to be made out of several hitboxes

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which sounds like a nightmare

karmic stone Nov 13, 2019, 4:27 AM

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Just giving them afterimages works

cobalt rose Nov 13, 2019, 4:28 AM

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honestly, that suggestion really isnt good

cloud surge Nov 13, 2019, 4:28 AM

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Aight I'll delete it

karmic stone Nov 13, 2019, 4:28 AM

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Wow wow slow down buster

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Discussion is meant to come now

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Oh ok?

hollow shell Nov 13, 2019, 4:38 AM

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What was the suggestion?

cobalt rose Nov 13, 2019, 4:41 AM

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make homing lasers multi-segmented so it would look cool when they turned

hollow shell Nov 13, 2019, 4:41 AM

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That could indeed be done via afterimages or dust, in the same way that bullets like Chlorophyte are done

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Hitboxes would be a bit of a worry though, if you were to make the laser shorter so it looks better with the trail

lost agate Nov 13, 2019, 4:44 AM

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do not do it like chloro bullets sweating

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you dont want 120 dust per second on every laser on destroyer

hollow shell Nov 13, 2019, 4:44 AM

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lol

sand umbra Nov 13, 2019, 4:44 AM

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sure you do

hollow shell Nov 13, 2019, 4:44 AM

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That's fair, doing it exactly like that would be a bad idea

queen delta Nov 13, 2019, 4:53 AM

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Just increase dust projectile limit 5head

lost agate Nov 13, 2019, 4:56 AM

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And we kill a few pcs in the process, noted

queen delta Nov 13, 2019, 4:57 AM

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Separate the strong from the weak iirc

dreamy basin Nov 13, 2019, 12:33 PM

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We know if there's a ravager themed building set? If there isn't I'm thinking of suggesting we get a design similar to the temple's furniture and materials, just with a darker, gritty, maybe a little bloody tone to it. Plus I'd like to have the ability to place a cosmetic flame pillar, similar in appearance to the plagueplate basin.

karmic stone Nov 13, 2019, 12:34 PM

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Rav's lore states that it's been doing the walcc randomly across the land, I don't see how a temple of sorts would work

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I do see though, a mini-mini structure that's where Ravager was born, but it's unnecessary

dreamy basin Nov 13, 2019, 12:35 PM

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Fair enough.

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I should prolly get into design and try my hand at making a personal version.

hollow shell Nov 13, 2019, 1:03 PM

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I could see Ravager theme working for furniture
Some mixture of Flesh and Bone, with dark blue fires
Necromantic Altar station or somethin

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Could be cool.

opal barn Nov 13, 2019, 1:03 PM

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So flesh furniture smug

hollow shell Nov 13, 2019, 1:04 PM

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except Ravager.

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More organized, bricky

opal barn Nov 13, 2019, 1:04 PM

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So a combo of lihzahrd and flesh basically?

void kelp Nov 13, 2019, 1:05 PM

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edgy flesh furniture

hollow shell Nov 13, 2019, 1:06 PM

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Ye I spose

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We already have Sentinels-themed furniture so it's not like it'd be weird for it to have a set

subtle oracle Nov 13, 2019, 1:12 PM

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It's a minor detail but it should help polish the rough edges of the mod :)