I thought they removed that, and I'm not sure if there's any in the v o i d
#suggestions-discussion
tropic yoke
fervent zealot
Allow Sunken Sea background tiles to grow naturally on player-placed navystone
The biome is very aethsetically pleasing, and it's a damn shame that if you want to try and recreate it that you just lose out on all of the wonderful background objects it has to offer.
how's this™
sinful violet
fair ig
tropic yoke
™™™
fervent zealot
i have made more artificial sunken seas than anyone sane ever should and i feel sad every time so i make more to try and fill the hole where cool background objects should be
hollow idol
like are these in game?
fervent zealot
those.. kinda just look like th normal rock types turned into abyss gravel and chaotic ore
mystic widget
But if your bad at death mode and you keep dying then it is pretty hard to come by
acoustic ferry
the real problem is when you die to the boss over and over before killing it
sand umbra
vile/vicious mushrooms are kind of annoying to farm tbf
compared to other plants
(mainly given the precautions needed for growing procedures to be safe, especially once you're in Hardmode)
void kelp
adding a crafting recipe would be nice, yeah
worldly saffron
or maybe make them grow more frequently
tropic yoke
Just farm the shrooms.
Make a bunch of grass bridges and get yourself an automatic sword.
acoustic ferry
i think something more like purification power would be better than a huge explosion of a biome
hoary hinge
@mystic widget just buy stacks of powder from dryad at blood moon if you don't want to farm it
worthy raptor
Or if you've beaten either of those bosses once you can buy their summon
mystic widget
really? i never knew that they sell on blood moons. thank you!
i meant the blood moon
i never look at the dryad unless i need boss summons or purification powder
hollow saffron
AFK Fish farming
If you've ever played Minecraft, you know what this is. Set up a 3x1x2 area with a note block, iron trapdoor, heavy pressure plate, and water and you have yourself a location where you can easily fish up good loot. Such a concept should be in Calamity, as it would make long fishing sessions more automated. Perhaps the Devourer of Cods or another postML fishing rod could offer it, or it oculd be some sort of accessory.
hollow saffron
also preferably can someone DM me feedback on this because i gtg like rn
sand umbra
I don't DM people 
opal barn
fishing is already quite fast using calamity, I don't see the need to make it automatic
and you can farm blood orbs if you don't like fishing anyway
ashen warren
afk farm stuff is broken by terraria inherently
Since tabbing out pauses the game
You need to be in multiplayer for it to not do that.
sand umbra
the fact that tabbing out pauses the game makes me pensive
sand umbra
I wanna do something else while I wait for the sun to come up, damnit :v
not just stare at my undergeared character for 5 hours
hollow saffron
sleep
Thomas 99% of my Minecraft AFK fishing sessions are done overnight while I sleep
Honestly I think there could be more bait/stuff that you can obtain from fishing
Imma suggest some crates
Calamity fishing crates
I think that Calamity should have more crates like normal Terraria has. This could provide a way to obtain loot like bars etc, without having to adhere to the normal Calamity progression line. It could also work as a sort of qol thing.
Here are some of my own crate suggestions:
Cosmilite Crates: Fished up post-DoG when the player has beaten both the Pumpkin and Frost Moon. Provide Nightmare Fuel and Endothermic Energy, as well as other loot.
Profaned Crates: Fished up post-Providence, provide profaned loot.
Astral Crates: Fished in the Astral Infection, provide Stardust as well as some drops from Astral enemies.
Bloodstone Crates: Fished up anywhere post-Ravager, provide Bars of Life and Cores of Calamity/Eleum/Sunlight/Chaos as well as the bars that constitute Bars of Life.
queen sail
Astral crates exist
hollow saffron
ok
WHat about the other crates
Calamity fishing crates
I think that Calamity should have more crates like normal Terraria has, besides Astral Crates This could provide a way to obtain loot like bars etc, without having to adhere to the normal Calamity progression line. It's also kinda weird that Calamity has Astral Crates but no other crate variants.
Here are some of my own crate suggestions:
Cosmilite Crates: Fished up post-DoG when the player has beaten both the Pumpkin and Frost Moon. Provide Nightmare Fuel and Endothermic Energy, as well as other loot.
Profaned Crates: Fished up post-Providence, provide profaned loot.
Bloodstone Crates: Fished up anywhere post-Ravager, provide Bars of Life and Cores of Calamity/Eleum/Sunlight/Chaos as well as the bars that constitute Bars of Life.
karmic stone
Cosmilite Crates
You can essentially skip doing post-DoG Pumpkin and Frost moon, which is nicen't, also both events are going to be reworked in the future byhea
Profaned Crates
So, unholy essences and what else?
Blood stone Crates
tbh farming Rav is funBut this would be good literally after Rav so you can farm the materials before you can actually kill Rav with ease
hollow saffron
Idk what else for the profaned crates since the profaned enemies drop pretty much nothing and I dont want to stray into dropping boss loot
Also the cosmilite crates are only available after doing both the pumpkin and frost moon after doggo
karmic stone
That would be only Essences and Energy Staff probably, maybe prune it out?
hollow saffron
Yeah
karmic stone
The crate*
hollow saffron
Calamity fishing crates
I think that Calamity should have more crates like normal Terraria has, besides Astral Crates This could provide a way to obtain loot like bars etc, without having to adhere to the normal Calamity progression line. It's also kinda weird that Calamity has Astral Crates but no other crate variants.
Here are some of my own crate suggestions:
Cosmilite Crates: Fished up post-DoG when the player has beaten both the Pumpkin and Frost Moon. Provide Nightmare Fuel and Endothermic Energy, as well as other loot.
Bloodstone Crates: Fished up anywhere post-Ravager, provide Bars of Life and Cores of Calamity/Eleum/Sunlight/Chaos as well as the bars that constitute Bars of Life.
Plague Crates: Fished up post-PBG, provide the player with Plague Cell Canisters, Hivenades, and other plague loot.
karmic stone
I think Plague Crates have the same problem byhea
I'd star this
hollow saffron
so remove plague crates?
karmic stone
OR add in other jungle drops, hopefully some that don't appear in normal jungle crates
Like Trapper bulbs and the stuff
Wait couldn't you have don that with profaned as well
hollow saffron
lol
proven tide
@hollow saffron i think that counts as specific item suggestions 
which is unfortunate but, yannow, universal rules
hollow saffron
i said some of my own suggestions, its completely up to devs to decide what gets added to crates
ill clarify that
karmic stone
wording it like "a crate for the jungle biome post-Golem" would go over the rule iirc afaik ngl
frail mantle
Add some sort of indicator of where Providence gives you the Holy Inferno Debuff, like particle aura or a distortion effect outside of her range
Reason for this suggestion: Holy Inferno deals quite the amount of damage, but there's not really any indicator of where she starts to inflict it. Having some sort of visual would help make sure that you're able to tell when you're about to go too far away from her.
terse sundial
I'd star it
also another wave of suggestions with action taken towards them (aka another wall of text)
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warm tinsel
@marble mirage SCal won't be an eye anymore in the future, make this suggestion consider that
marble mirage
half basalt
terse sundial
?
lost agate
Discord does that when its shitting itself yes
terse sundial
@lunar galleon The nerfs to the RE guns were put in place because people would complain about how broken they were as they proceeded to dupe all of the ammo for them. That won't change with the nerfs reversed
People abused it and complained, so they lost that privilege
terse sundial
It was tiring for most devs involved
brittle merlin
i believe this was just the easiest solution available
terse sundial
believe it or not, that wears people down
lunar galleon
dang
opal barn
I thought the devs weren't people dang
lunar galleon
No its just that they where a core weapon to speedrun
lost agate
Dambf,.,..,.,
Yeah ik they were good for speedrunning
But all good things tend to come to an end
terse sundial
Speedrunners make up what, 0.07% of the fanbase?
distant gyro
but why else other than speedrunning 
terse sundial
there really isn't a reason to make a config for that small of a community
opal barn
but muh speedruns merk
void kelp
speedrunners make up like.. 5 people
distant gyro
it's not like speedruns are inherently ruined by this nerf either
terse sundial
you could suggest increasing the firing cap for the RE Guns, but for now I'm removing that suggestion
opal barn
There's literally only 1 person on youtube that's popular with speedruns
but speedruns
distant gyro
muh speedruns™
void kelp
I’m pretty sure hec accepted that too
lost agate
Speedrunners will find a way to do their things
distant gyro
yea
lunar galleon
Also did the terraria devs fix the i frame glitch or did calamity?
lost agate
It would be unrespectful if we reverted it because we thought they couldnt
terse sundial
^
void kelp
slimy saddle iframe abuse probably
distant gyro
that kills the dummy machine
terse sundial
that is a calamity feature
lost agate
Like "i know you cant speedrun without killing shit fast so have the old weapons back"
lunar galleon
XD
lost agate
Which is...yeah
lunar galleon
Dang why fix the dummy glitch also
opal barn
Because we hate speedrunners
lunar galleon
XD
terse sundial
clearly
distant gyro
also bets on unnerfed RE guns to be banned
clearly
Halibut is already banned in speedruns fyi
lunar galleon
For real im wondeirng because it wasent game breaking
Well
not that game breaking
distant gyro
no doubts unnerfed RE's will also be banned
lunar galleon
I just cant find a way to do good dam now
lunar galleon
I'm a gamer i don't think
lost agate
Also arent a lot of other speedruns in other games getting outdated speedruns because the exploit they do end up patched
At this point its basically a common practice
lunar galleon
Just don't fix the item dupe glitch ree
lost agate
We cant even if we wanted to
void kelp
don’t worry you’ll just break your world instead bc item frames hate mods
solemn flame
Hey spook!! also... Safe to assume your bday is 2days from now?
versed mica
Yeah the item frame breaks the actual world
void kelp
yepyep meg
still cliff
Plz dont hurt me
lost agate
Another mod does that already sooooo
still cliff
And?
sand umbra
I wanna agree with you on that but also Infinity hasn't seen an update in at least multiple months
still cliff
yes
teal ibex
hey so like
the resident evil guns were cool
but they make the speedrun objectively less interesting
still cliff
Yes
lost agate
Even then, stuff like infinite holy fire bullets would be a bit op
lost agate
Also yeah re guns made speedrunning very repetitive
teal ibex
i wouldn't necessarily say repetitive because this game is too disruptive and chaotic for that
but they were certainly basic
"kill wall"
"get hydra"
"kill scal"
lost agate
Yeah pretty much
It was repetitive in the large scheme of things
Aka repetitive in terraria standarts
If you get what im saying
gusty geode
Isn't it supposed to be 9999 of the ammo
radiant meadow
@hollow saffron I literally just coded a sunken sea crate (and a bunch of sunken sea fishing stuff) yesterday
karmic stone
radiant meadow
there is also a brimstone crags crate, but none of the fish associated with it is sprited so I don't want to add a standalone crate
teal ibex
yo are we on the brim of a fishing standalone playthrough?
sand umbra
I literally just coded a sunken sea crate (and a bunch of sunken sea fishing stuff) yesterday
oh hell yes
more new fishing stuff 
tropic yoke
But will it be good?
tropic yoke
Bold emoji
queen sail
How do you fish in the sunk sea tho
distant gyro
queen sail
tropic yoke
distant gyro
(I wanted to make it not a giant emote by markdown)
teal ibex
with a
queen sail
It Just Works™
teal ibex
FISHING ROD.
queen sail
Also like ye 90% of the biome is water
distant gyro
fish on top of the sunken sea
queen sail
And the biome has programmed walls that spawn water
tropic yoke
Do you just get an army of minions and cast from the desert?
teal ibex
TRY. HARDER.
queen sail
distant gyro
it's like fishing in the abyss
teal ibex
fish don't just come to those who wait. they come to those who cARE.
tropic yoke
Wot
distant gyro
you don't literally fish inside the abyss but on the sulph sea
and still get stuff like depths charm
queen sail
Make the fish catch themselves
tired haven
inb4 someone comes up with a fishing rod that can fish when you are underwater
queen sail
sand umbra
I already did, although I don't know if it's possible
tired haven
Ofc it is, just will take 1001 workaround
sand umbra
ah yes
teal ibex
Add the Rishing Fod.
You stand underwater and cast a line to the surface of the air. you will then catch the fish from the air. the fish fly very flying catch fish good suggestion
sand umbra
the land of doing stupidly complex things just to make one thing work
tired haven
hollow saffron
@still cliff seems like a specific item sugg to me
gusty geode
Tbf inverted fishing does sound like a neat concept
foggy kindle
Catching air since 2019
karmic stone
I love how people that don't talk at all star random suggestions
Zerg and CCandle already exist, and if you mean a pot that specifically increases rare enemy spawn rate, bear in mind that their whole gimmick is to be hard to find, and it would be the opposite of nice to have a pot just cancel all that
Self-star
iirc a Rogue station would be an absolute 
to code, but let a coder talk on this one
vocal grotto
Wouldn't be a huge issue to code (Still not that fun tho)
But I feel balancing it would be... less than ideal
gusty geode
The whole gimmick of the Corruption and Crimson not spawning in the same world was forcing you to pick one or the other based on what you wanted access to
tired haven
In vanilla it actually is more-less balanced out, since corruption is favoring early game with things like musket and band of regen and vilethorn, with falling off in hardmode due to ichor and vampire knives
Since calamity expands hardmode part of the game a lot, it's inevitable that crimson becomes far more convenient scenario
(yes I forgot to mention worm scarf, eat me if you dare)
lost agate
but im still baffled by the fact crimtane bars sell for more than demonite
mossy shale
Crimson is designed to be the harder option with better rewards than the corruption
gusty geode
^
mossy shale
It's like the pre-hm bars, where one is always better than the other but which ones you get are random
sand umbra
the harder option with better rewards than the corruption
Brain of Confusion: "I'm about to end this man's whole career--"
queen delta
Crimson being harder than corruption? Disagree lmao
Corruption chasms are the pain of every early-game pt
lost agate
Facts
gusty geode
Tbf Crimson chasms have way too many Blood Crawlers
And it's 3 different enemies vs 2 1, really, since Devourers almost never spawn on the surface
ashen warren
flying eaters that will chase you to the ends of the earth especially at game start when you cant sprint
and they WILL spawn
distant gyro
Blood crawlers are kinda slow tbf
ashen warren
it's a lot easier to wall three enemies with fighter ai than to box away three eaters coming at you at once
distant gyro
hearty yew
@proper pewter Don't worry, we have something like this planned. In fact we have multiple working concepts for the Rogue Buff Furniture
It will probably increase max stealth or something similar
tired haven
I always found it easier to rush corruption than crimson, even given the fact you can just 100% get to crimson hearts if you have enough blocks and patience
(as you could guess, I lack the latter) 
hexed ore
Oh
versed mica
and sent to the devs
hexed ore
Whoops, I didn't see that
versed mica
thats ok, I once made a random suggestion for a space boss lol
tropic marsh
I don't really find the temple that difficult to find post-plantera
Curious what the reasoning is behind it being considered "a pain"
@cloud surge
cloud surge
Usually it takes me 30 min - an hour of searching and I really don't like exploring the jungle for that long
elfin maple
in my first terraria playthrough i found it before hardmode, but that's from my experience so if you had it different then idk
tropic marsh
What size world is this?
elfin maple
small
cloud surge
Large
elfin maple
that makes more sense
tropic marsh
I see, still I'm not sure how it taking 30 minutes is that big a problem. You're playing a large world solo, that's kinda part of the deal.
cloud surge
I just really hate wandering the hardmode jungle
tired haven
I'd have definitely agreed with that suggestion if you have had vanilla tier digging capabilities
However, in calamity it's drastically faster process so making a few hellevators takes about 20 minutes tops in desperately gross worlds
So, mmm, it may be a welcome thing but I'm not sure it's really needed
cobalt rose
don't forget about the onyx excavator.
cloud surge
Is that a new item? I've never heard of it
tired haven
It's a shrine item, so extremely rare
cloud surge
Ok
woeful ginkgo
kind of lame how uzi got nothing in calamity
I think there should be a recipe to craft it because it's pretty difficult to get
tired haven
Uzi is almost full analogue of megashark and that one is pretty decent weapon so there isn't anything to do with uzi as of rn
woeful ginkgo
maybe handgun,lead bars and illegal gun part at at mythril/oric anvil could make a fine recipe for it?
fervent zealot
since it can easily compete with megashark i'd say something post mechs, like chloro
woeful ginkgo
maybe some sort of dual wield uzi as an upgrade?
tired haven
Chloro would be a tad too late, as Megashark is post-Cryogen
Dual wield uzi sounds like really curious concept, but it will fall under specific item suggestion, so no 😔
fervent zealot
maybe pull a fire gauntlet and buff uzi but have it be locked to post mechs
woeful ginkgo
Ah that's unfortunate
radiant pawn
wait what
did the #suggestions-voting channel got deleted?
its not appearing for me
ruby cobalt
discock shat itself again
frail mantle
have you muted #suggestions-voting and hidden muted channels
ruby cobalt
or you did a dumb
tepid root
click on the arrow lol
radiant pawn
oh wait nvm i accidentally hid #calamity-mod-talk and #suggestions-voting
yea i tapped the arrow on accident
frail mantle
tired haven
I was about to assume suggestions shadowban
ruby cobalt
that would be a wonderful meme
dense oriole
Real reason for suggestion:i throw permafrost into eclipse with zerg for need room for npc, he didnt die at all.
wooden wedge
Couldn't you make another house?
dense oriole
I made a complete tree house, i dont want to mess this
wooden wedge
NPC prisons are cheap
mossy shale
I've never liked how the calamity NPCs have an absurd amount of hp anyways
mossy shale
Just play with the no npc death mod then
queen sail
What do you think I do
mossy shale
I like how you have to keep them somewhat safe or they'll die
I'm so sorry
sand umbra
I mean
Calamity NPCs having such enormous amounts of health is sorta jarring
terse sundial
that is true
mossy shale
The only downside of the speedrun houses is that they're vulnerable
queen sail
“You have to keep them safe or else they’ll die!!!! 😱”
mossy shale
Yeah
wooden wedge
It's so that when you run dog through all of your housing only the good NPCs survive
queen sail
Bruh I wanna fucking do shit on my own not care about 8 irrelevant NPCs and 2-3 merchants that actually sell relevant shit
mossy shale
Well I guess we like playing the game differently
signal prairie
Just get the npc butcherer cant remember which mod it's from.
sand umbra
It's so that when you run dog through all of your housing only the good NPCs survive
how come all the most relevant Calamity boss summon vendors die every time that happens, then 
mossy shale
Just dont fight dog where all your npc housing is lmao
sand umbra
I see you over there Terry
mossy shale
Mutant is irrelevant when we have the druid around
mossy shale
Actually using luiafk
radiant pawn
you can just use luiafk for that
and luiafk is not too much of a cheaty mod if you know what to use
dont go auto buff
mossy shale
I mostly play in multiplayer so I have to be very conscious about what the mods I use have
Because theres always gonna be that one person who breaks the entire world with one mod's broken item
karmic stone
The cheapest house is like 25ish wood or something, and it should take 2 mins to make
radiant pawn
Right things to use from luiafk: arena builder, skybridge builder, drill unit v2, and the item that takes your money and saves it in a piggy bank
Bad things from luiafk to use: everything else
mossy shale
(Played with Fargo's before, one person ""accidentally"" used the item that converts the entire world into the hallow and ruined the playthrough)
radiant pawn
but getting back on the npc suggestion
Just make more houses, it isnt that bad
its fun if you prison them or actually put effort into houses
also jfc kitten how dumb is your friend for not reading
tepid root
what happens next is that someone "accidentally" uses universal collapse
queen sail
terse sundial
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terse sundial
Suggestions are approved/rejected after 48 hours once they've been submitted, it is not an automatic process
if a suggestion doesn't have a approved/rejected emote, it was either ignored or was recently sent to the dev server
mossy shale
Oh huh
terse sundial
@pure scaffold None of the abyss minibosses have a map icon due to precedent
hallow kraken
Could you put more into that suggestion, like reasonings?
pure scaffold
are you allowed to edit suggestions
terse sundial
yes
pure scaffold
gave reasoning
terse sundial
works ig
small talon
Another thing is the AEW is basically the dungeon guardian of the abyss, and the DG has a map icon, so why not?
night cradle
I don't think AEW or really any Abyss miniboss should have a map icon
It caughts you off guard when you use RoD or ecounter a certain miniboss, adds an element of surprise
you aren't supposed to clearly see or locate enemies instantly in the abyss either, so adding map icons would kinda ruin this part
runic heath
I mean for AEW you get the health bar so you're not really caught that off guard with that
the rest of the abyss minibosses def shouldn't
they already show up on life form analyzer anyways
night cradle
Yeah, but you don't see their clear location on where they are
You can only see that they exist with Lifeform Analyzer and Health Bar, but you need to figure out where they are
quick ice
Adult Eidolon Wyrms aren’t even meant to be killable and exist solely to punish players for using RoD, so I don’t see why they can’t have an icon
cloud surge
Jumpscares
zealous ridge
Dungeon guardian has a map icon and you still get scared by him
Theoretically at least
just because he’s so fast that it doesn’t matter in most cases
cosmic void
I build a visual representation for my suggestion. The Sulphur Sea itself is fairly barren
Save for the water color, unique sand and enemies
I used painted Hive Blocks, painted Coral, and Bubble Machines to kind of show what I had in mind. I think the biome needs just a little more to push it
I like the idea of background decorations in the Abyss that were mentioned higher
karmic stone
Piss crystals
Looks coolio to me
zealous ridge
Something that always intrigued me about the lore was that this place was sort of Draedon’s dumping ground for waste, so I thought scrap metal and other residue would be cool to see imo
Maybe those bubble machines are like actual scrapped machines leaking oil into the water
runic heath
that would be super cool
cosmic void
I took another little screenshot
The bubble machines aren't meant to really be machines, they're the only thing that let me show bubbles in the water
zealous ridge
Yeah I know
cosmic void
The glowsticks/light source also sort of wouldn't be there, just showing what's actually down there
zealous ridge
That idea of scrap being in the sulphuric sea though, I think is worth exploring
queen sail
I mean we have bg objects that produce bubbles already so it should’t be that hard to program :peeposhrug:
hollow idol
perhaps some bg objects that can only be mined with titanium/ada+ picks which gives 1-2 hallowed bars
zealous ridge
yeah that’s fine
hollow idol
there wouldnt be much
zealous ridge
But giving practical use to these bg objects would be interesting
Still allows you to skip mechs
Or at least one of them
cosmic void
I really don't think it's needed. If anything 'practical' I think Sulphur should be a substitute for Coral in potions and Neptune's Shell, but that's about it
Anything beyond that would probably be cosmetic. Maybe some use for Sulphur Crust if anything
runic heath
You can't skip mechs
zealous ridge
Neptune’s shell isn’t crafted anymore but I see your point
cosmic void
Ah, well nevermind that then
runic heath
all 3 mechs need to be killed to allow for mothron to spawn
zealous ridge
There was another idea I had where you could fish up like draedons lock boxes that could be opened with golden keys, and they contain loot relevant to the tier of the game you’re at
but yeah, bg objects to give the sulphuric sea more detail? Yeah I like it
cosmic void
Also for reference, this is how one looks untouched (mostly)
I think the sulphur and vents add a lot, it feels rather empty like this
opal barn
The one you created looks a lot more interesting that's for sure
quick ice
I don’t really get the Sulphuric Crust idea but thermal vents and crystals would be cool
And also to expand on Chozos idea of Mech stuff in the Sulphorous sea, there could be some sort of explosive (Like a deep sea-mine) and a fishing crate which could drop items related to Draedons creations
tropic yoke
It'd be cool if the sky darkened, too. Like in the corruption and Astral infection.
quick ice
I’d say giving it a yellow-ish tint would be better, darkening wouldn’t make sense unless it’s raining
tropic yoke
Yellow haze.
gusty geode
What about veins of pure sulphur
Hidden under the sand, and being in chunks that behave like honey blocks because no new liquids
cosmic void
I based the Sulphuric Crust on the shoreline on images like this. Hive Blocks were the most vibrant, painted yellow I could get to make look like it blended with Sulphuric Sand
gusty geode
Thinking I might try and post my own Sulphur Sea expansion
Not sure if it'd stand a better chance here or in Dimensions tho
cosmic void
Goodness, 45 stars. I appreciate the support everybody!
hearty ermine
@crystal osprey if you have lava to throw a voodoo doll in, why not just burn the npcs?
it just seems redundant
crystal osprey
you wouldnt neccessarily use lava
with a voodoo doll you could kill them physically as well
not to mention how hard it is to get NPCs into lava
hearty ermine
oh like the clothier instead of the guide
karmic stone
I'm not up for adding 20ish dolls to Clam, but an easier way to kill NPCs that is not a King/Queen statue or Portal Gun would be neato
crystal osprey
it would make it much less tedious
karmic stone
You can also kill the guide with his doll equipped, btw
crystal osprey
maybe add a universal doll?
karmic stone
Just like Clothier
hollow idol
lava tends to make a mess anyways, i think a better idea would be just one that works on all npcs
karmic stone
^
crystal osprey
yee
karmic stone
Alternatively
No
crystal osprey
damn u right
hollow idol
No chain sugs ye
crystal osprey
let me fix that
karmic stone
Don't chain your own sugg
hearty ermine
just edit it
crystal osprey
better?
hearty ermine
you got my star
karmic stone
Yup
crystal osprey
yeet
radiant meadow
y'know, I always wanted to stab the angler with my eclipse's fall
sand umbra
don't we all
gusty geode
Imo
When given an item that's really awkward to get but required to craft some other item
The question shouldn't be what the easiest way to obtain it is
It should be why it was decided you need it
And not just here, but in general
Perhaps moreso with ones that are/were nonrenewable
People tend to blame the game for not always giving them the items they need
But really, it's the devs' fault for expecting players to have those items when, you know
They might not
And that results in all that extra work to add ways to get items you wouldn't be guaranteed to have so they can expect players to have them (that's what 90% of all "QoL" changes do, really)
When they could've saved themselves time by (if not just telling players to suck it up and try new things when the meta their favorite weapon isn't an option) having their items only use materials that can reliably be obtained by existing means
zealous ridge
What is a prudent example of this problem? Speed blaster?
sand umbra
I can give you two:
Firestorm Cannon (which craft-chains into Ele Blaster) and Spark Spreader.
Both of them expect the player to have the Flare Gun.
It's not the most relevant example, but an example of what you mean nonetheless.
gusty geode
And wasn't there some Exo-tier, meta-dominating magic weapon that required the Water Bolt
sand umbra
oh yes
sand umbra
oh yeah, that's actually exactly why Water Bolt's recipe happened
radiant meadow
but it's easier to use than vivid
sand umbra
because not having Water Bolt locked you out of what is generally agreed to be mage's most consistent (and easiest to obtain) exo-tier option
(Tears of Heaven, which is part of SSV's recipe, takes Water Bolt)
zealous ridge
I think devs can expect players to have at least 1 flare gun... but that’s borne of a greater problem of having a ton of items in terraria be randomly generated anyways
sand umbra
I mean, it's fairly reasonable to expect a Flare Gun to exist
Gold Chests are everywhere
but given the fact they're not renewable and this game has a knack for giving really retarded worldgen a good chunk of the time, it's nice to have a backup plan just in case
signal prairie
Maybe add a crafting recipe for some of these weapons? Cause the point that thomas mentioned is damn accurate
sand umbra
a lot of the weapons that would normally be particularly problematic already have recipes for this exact reason
signal prairie
Flare gun recipe could be easy. Can't remember if Magic Missile has one
zealous ridge
but is this argument that bos proposes not that the spark spreader and firestorm shouldn’t use flare guns because it’s inconsistent to get them?
signal prairie
Ah ok
sand umbra
recipes moreso include half the shit that can gen in the Dungeon and a good chunk of the Cell Phone and Frostspark ingredients
radiant meadow
firestorm not using flare gun would be dumb
sand umbra
along with a ton of Gold Chest items and both Mirrors
radiant meadow
it's a literal upgrade and that isn't changing
worldly saffron
exactly
zealous ridge
yeah, that’s my reasoning
signal prairie
Maybe have a fairly easy recipe for the flare gun?
worldly saffron
"hmm. yes, let's make the flaregun upgrade not use flaregun
radiant meadow
spark spreader uses flare gun as demanded by the suggestor
signal prairie
That does require the player going underground
worldly saffron
lol
radiant meadow
I keep forgetting to add a flare gun recipe that uses 666 yharon soul fragments and a flare gun
my bad
sand umbra
bruhjaja
worldly saffron
nah
sand umbra
catch-22 recipes
worldly saffron
make it use that and 1337 calamitous essence
sand umbra
I like it
flare gun requires a flare gun to be crafted
but to craft the flare gun...you need a flare gun
truly the ultimate farming recipe 
gusty geode
The thing I was getting at most was
Making it so you're always able to get the most powerful weapons discourages variety in playing
Not always having that option means being forced to try lesser options
zealous ridge
That seems like a different point from what you were getting at before
radiant meadow
so you want more weapons like handheld tank?
(the fact that it uses tiger skin in its recipe)
sand umbra
I think they're getting at things like Dragon Scales
signal prairie
Make a crafting recipe for the jungle rose that requires 9999 mud blocks and a jungle rose
sand umbra
(although I don't know if the reqs for buying those were changed in the patch following their introduction)
gusty geode
Yeah, I'll admit I changed gears there
But they are kinda related issues
Either that or I'm just complaining idk
radiant meadow
they haven't yet
zealous ridge
They are tangentially related imo, the argument you pose doesn’t work for weapons themed around a specific idea
Like speed blaster being a paintball gun upgrade for example
sand umbra
.
dumb idea
what if instead of crafting the Firestorm Cannon in particular
you brought the Flare Gun to the Goblin Tinkerer, and he turned it into the Firestorm Cannon
completely unrelated but it just popped into my head
lost agate
I got paintball gun first try harhar
radiant meadow
how would he turn it into the firestorm cannon?
lost agate
that would also make it easier to get if anything
sand umbra
I mean, how do we turn a bunch of random weapons into the freaking Exoblade
lost agate
Uh what does that have to do with this
sand umbra
ideally, you could probably bring him the Flare Gun and some other stuff
and he'd make the Firestorm Cannon
but it's probably not too fantastically easy to do without UI trickery, and I know already how dumb UI is to program 
anywho, that's my completely random talk for the day ig
zealous ridge
Kind of a roundabout way to craft in my opinion
red spindle
Just treat goblin tinkerer as a crafting station 🤔
lost agate
like theres literally no reason for that
gusty geode
Ig what I'm asking for is for the QoL to be cut down on
And if necessary new items be made that focus on being easy to get while not being as strong (something this mod tried to do already iirc)
That way people won't be able to flock to the meta all the time and could try using other weapons instead
Then again I've seen people not hesitate to break out cheat sheet if they aren't getting the item they want fast enough, even if it does have a reliable way to get it
So
lost agate
Its not about meta
Its about not losing on weapons cuz rng is a bitch
ah yes today i will not have my fire storm cannon cuz rng didnt like me
ah yes today will be slow poke cuz no hermes boots
ah yes today i will not freaking get a horseshoe
time to die to fall dmg
gusty geode
That's actually my point
You ever tried not using those items before?
lost agate
Yes
Yes i have, and guess what it was a pain in the ass
because shit like EoC exists
gusty geode
I mean
Sailfish Boots, in that case
lost agate
and that means getting to the ocean
getting bait
getting lucky with fishing
same deal
sand umbra
see, vanilla has this nasty trend of making a lot of the best accessories for gameplay locked behind RNG
gusty geode
Yeah
And it means trying other weapons
More fun that way imo
lost agate
man
sand umbra
I wouldn't call needing to use Vivid Clarity because I don't wanna fight Yharon a billion times fun but I sorta get it
lost agate
you dont need to delete the QoL to try other weapons
just freaking do it and thats that
nobody is forcing you to go meta
gusty geode
Ok, got me there
zealous ridge
Variance should be encouraged by having weapons fill certain niches
lost agate
some do already
thats why bosses like provi often need 2 weapons
one to take advantage of the size and another to kill small things
if youre missing on weapon variance, your problem, cuz they are all there
forcing people to use other stuff randomly is bleh
gusty geode
Fair
civic pond
versed mica
What is the goblin going to do now?
ashen warren
'twas a joke related to this: https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/465195069406707722/642485164668223496
zenith hazel
ravager gets new drops post-provi though
it also drops more bars and cores compared to pre-provi
tropic yoke
What new drops?
The bloodflare core and bloodstone?
He'll still drop the bad wopans.
Why does a post-prov-tier boss drop post-golem-tier weapons?
It confounds me.
void kelp
bc he’s still the same boss
clone doesn’t drop any new weapons and she also gets buffed post provi
tropic yoke
:o
zenith hazel
you're not meant to use the weapons, obviously
tropic yoke
Then why do they drop?
That sounds like Pandora's box to me.
void kelp
it drops bc they’re the same boss still, so their original drops are unchanged?
zenith hazel
you sell them
tropic yoke
freak.
void kelp
with that logic, once you’ve beaten EoC, it should stop dropping the Shield of Cthulhu and all if you’re in hardmode
tropic yoke
But there's no dash weapons until plantera and you won't want to fight EoC after HM unless you're really desperate for demonite.
For some reason.
void kelp
you’re missing the point
tropic yoke
You're missing mine.
I get that it's not that big of a deal, but it'd be a nice change.
void kelp
but why
tropic yoke
Why not?
void kelp
why is it necessary to remove the drops
tropic yoke
Or buff them, or change them.
zenith hazel
ok then let's buff all of the other drops from brim and clone
void kelp
it’s still the same boss, with the same loot tables. just with bonus things added to it.
zenith hazel
does it feel necessary?
tropic yoke
It'd make sense to buff the drops of the buffed boss.
zenith hazel
hell, might as well buff the drops from aureus since it gets buffed post-ML
tropic yoke
Aures has drops?
zenith hazel
the point here is, the new drops are meant to be used at the point the bosses are buffed, the old ones are meant to be discarded
void kelp
^
tropic yoke
Thas lame.
zenith hazel
at least it makes sense
tropic yoke
My idea makes sense too tho
void kelp
I’m pretty sure if they got their own unique loot, they might as well be their own boss
rather, a new boss altogether
tropic yoke
Then buff the other drops.
void kelp
do you have a reason other than “it makes sense to me”?
tropic yoke
I mean, the legendary items exist, and Amidias' Trident got buffed after a later boss, too. Sure Amidias's Trident got nerfed (rip in peace), but it happened at one point.
zenith hazel
doesn't mean it has to happen again
void kelp
legendary items don’t scale anymore except for the community
void kelp
legendary weapons do not scale with progression.
tropic yoke
I must contemplate.
ocean shale
My head is spinning just reading this thread
queen delta
Scaling weapons no longer exist because it was hard to balance and everyone would just use the same item
ocean shale
I agree with this
It’s kinda the same with joosts legendary items
They get overpowered at a lot of points
There wouldn’t be any other reason to use another weapon
golden narwhal
^
void kelp
it’s why alchnpc’s legendary items are broken
carmine stream
@void kelp Halibut cannon scales? It’s not really legendary but it’s more rare than legendary weapons
void kelp
I don’t count that weapon as an actual serious option to use.
carmine stream
true
carmine stream
it is more a meme weapon
void kelp
hence why it’s a weapon I don’t consider a valid option
ocean shale
I think the tool tip even says that to
carmine stream
carries you to yharon
ocean shale
Essentially
golden narwhal
meme weapon that's overpowered and near impossible to get
sand umbra
honestly Bloodstone-buffed bosses getting new drops would be neat
void kelp
thomas and seraph are making plans...
sand umbra
carmine stream
entropy’s edge update
sand umbra
Consider it a future plan, if you will.
carmine stream
sand umbra
For now I have much more relevant things to focus on.
zenith hazel
get back on topic please
sand umbra
okay
Bloodstone-buffed bosses getting new drops, in addition to their existing ones, would be a neat idea that would ultimately add more of a reason to actually fight the bosses besides Bloodstone Cores
meaning, the recently posted sugg is one I support
void kelp
see that’s an actual good reasoning lol
void kelp
if it were backed with that reasoning I’d be ok w it, but the reasoning the original poster went with was with the assumption that all people think the same as them as well as basically considering the other added drops being footnotes
sand umbra
literally the only reason to fight this trio of bosses after Providence is downed is for Bloodstone (and in Ravager's case, for mildly easier Bar and Core farming, except by that point you can easily make the magical murder juice and its cohorts for ez slime/fish/Dungeon farming)
and to see the concept expanded upon a bit would be interesting and help it not just. be there to be there
void kelp
that’s a persuasive argument I can get behind and understand
sand umbra
I mean, if I'm thinking of what drops to give a buffed opponent, my first thought goes to "what happens if I take the existing drops of this entity and make them more interesting/powerful"
a good few of the potential drops could be direct upgrades to existing drops the bosses already possess, with new features or gimmicks to set 'em apart
hearty yew
@tropic yoke it also happens with brimstone elemental
tropic yoke
Someone said dat.
hearty yew
IMO it would be more interesting if instead of changing clonelamitas, brimmy and ravager's drops
all their drops were upgradable with bloodstone cores
sand umbra
ooo
hearty yew
so you still can get the old weapons but there's turbocharged bloodstone versions
tropic yoke
Maybe make them part of the bloodflare weapons.
hearty yew
yeah that's my point
sand umbra
kinda like Crushsaw Crasher and Bloodsoaked Crasher?
hearty yew
^
sand umbra
I can get behind this
hearty yew
...did you think I was not human?
ocean shale
Dude
hearty yew
That is precisely why bloodsoaked crasher is what it is
tropic yoke
Well now I know you are
ocean shale
Grow up
zenith hazel
take this channel seriously, please
hearty yew
Because I was pushing this agenda myself with rogue update
"what if we made bloodstone bosses actually relate to the bloodstone items"
sand umbra
honestly
tropic yoke
Cool.
hearty yew
We could use a supercharged brimlance, Seething Discharge but on steroids, Lacerator being an upgrade to Oblivion, and so on
tropic yoke
I was gonna make another suggestion...
sand umbra
Lacerator being an Oblivion upgrade would be the hottest thing
ocean shale
Good idea actually
tropic yoke
I forgot what it was.
hearty yew
could you imagine fusing Realm Ravager's explosive bullets with Claret cannon?
void kelp
neat ideas; I hope to see them implemented 👀 gives more use for bloodstone too
ocean shale
mhm
hearty yew
Bloodflare Core, instead of being a new post providence accessory, would become the "true form" of abaddon
ocean shale
And Ozza that sounds like heaven
hearty yew
we would also get a nice post provi flamethrower for use on the sentinels
tropic yoke
Isn't abbadon the name of a demon?
hearty yew
cause Havoc's Breath would get an upgrade
ocean shale
I’m a fan of the brimlance upgrade however
hearty yew
No, name of an angel actually i think
tropic yoke
Wack.
ocean shale
Because atm it’s not worth making
void kelp
it’s a name of a demon, not angel
tropic yoke
I want an accessory named "lucifer"
ocean shale
Or using for that fact
tropic yoke
pls
ocean shale
tropic yoke
Well, the accessories get a pass in my suggestion because of the core of the blood god and void of extinction.
teal ibex
that'd be a specific item so maybe don't
tropic yoke
Those are p gud.
sand umbra
Entropy's Vigil getting an upgrade would be
hearty yew
Check #suggestions-voting pins.
void kelp
hearty yew
You won't get banned for posting one, but they are banned yes.
teal ibex
ozz c'mon
hearty yew
there was an ancient suggestion for "Supreme Entropy's Vigil"
tropic yoke
All of my fucking suggestions before about a month ago have been items
ocean shale
What the heck
teal ibex
if you're gonna have that custom status at least say "check my custom status 😎 "
zenith hazel
well that's unfortunate isn't it
void kelp
yeah, and they’ve all been deleted
hearty yew
It is not even my status anymore.
ocean shale
Entropy’s vigil is strong enough
teal ibex
tragic
ocean shale
Supreme would be
hearty yew
yeah, post-scal summon for BR
tropic yoke
Omega Entropy's Vigil.
teal ibex
literally everybody and their dog has thought of supreme entropy's vigil
zenith hazel
the problem here is that there's no minion post-scal
tropic yoke
oof
zenith hazel
mhm
teal ibex
eidolon wyrm 👀
ocean shale
Yea lmao
hearty yew
anyway, unfortunately you can't suggest specific bloodstone upgrade items
ocean shale
Hmmmm
tropic yoke
Eidolon wyrm?
Minion?
zenith hazel
closest thing to a minion is red devil and it's not even good
hearty yew
but uhh, this was a good idea and I'm glad I looked at it
tropic yoke
sand umbra
I have ventured into the realm of minion code
...I don't understand it at all 
tropic yoke
This was one of those item suggestions I was talking about.
zenith hazel
ogod worm summons
tropic yoke
Worm summons are lit I don't know what u be talkin' bout.
ocean shale
More worms
teal ibex
he's talking about that thing that was mentioned moments ago
where minions are suffering to code
void kelp
honestly ozz, it’ll be neat to see what you and the rest of the dev team come up w for this idea of upgrading weapons w bloodstone
zenith hazel
hmm yes, worm summons are lit, especially with mechworm and how flawless it is
zenith hazel
it's not like it breaks anything, does it? naw....
tropic yoke
And accessory.
sand umbra
nahhh
teal ibex
cool.
tropic yoke
And a tile.
teal ibex
this is the ultimate fragment
ocean shale
Worm summons are ridiculous imo
Over 100,000+ in just a couple seconds
Depending on speed
tropic yoke
Is omega blue armor still OP tentacle armor?
ocean shale
No clue
tropic yoke
I do not likey the whole 2 Fiery Greatswords thing.
sand umbra
I forgot what the Hellkite was for a second
ocean shale
^
tropic yoke
ocean shale
Last I did melee was 2 years ago lol
tropic yoke
Who uses any terratomere material besides maybe the terra blade?
Oh my god Mariana is a thing.
ocean shale
Terra edge is good
That’s about it tho
The other swords are just crafting fodder
Hellkite isn’t even that hard to make
Just the great sword are perennial bars
tropic yoke
Calamity should only allow the bloody/terra edge on crimson worlds and only the night's edge/terra blade on corrupt worlds.
The whole thing with the 2 biomes is that you can only get 1 set of items per world (besides the evil island.)
ocean shale
You can
void kelp
that’s the whole point of the evil island, to give you more options
ocean shale
^
Don’t know if you’ve ever seen them but they are there
And also you can just make your own biome to get them
ashen warren
oh hey it's nightmare fuel but with a new u/n and pfp
tropic yoke
You...
Yes, it's Lvl. 43 Endothermic Energy.
And Literally Nightmare Fuel.
God, that was a phase.
lost agate
Smh xeroc greatsword is very great
It does well vs deus and hits hard enough to be useable on ML
karmic stone
bit too late but hueh
You only need Hellstone bars, and by the time you can obtain Hellkite you shouldn't have any problems going out for the materials
lost agate
Ik im late
ashen warren
If needed it could just be made from hellstone
lost agate
But that doesnt mean i cant say things
ashen warren
it wouldn't really change much
lost agate
I mean, does it really bother much that you need the sword?
Its just an extra click to craft the sword
lost agate
Hellkite has lore?
ashen warren
¯_(ツ)_/¯
lost agate
.... Thats a yes or a no?
ashen warren
that's an I have no clue what the reasoning behind the sugg is
lost agate
Ah i see
karmic stone
I mean, the only other feasible recipe around the tier that would result in a fire sword would be
Perennial bars and Hellstone bars
.
lost agate
So just decompose it for... Kind of no reason
Would you imagine if exo blade recipe was decomposed to just base materials lmao
karmic stone
Ono
ashen warren
I don't think an inventory would be large enough
lost agate
Harhar
fervent zealot
recipe limit would kill you
lost agate
Whats the limit again
fervent zealot
. . 14
loud steeple
such a random number
acoustic ferry
there's a limit to recipe sizes???
ashen warren
Maybe it's that exoblade has only 1 version of every sword except for fgs
I wouldn't know though
runic heath
Because red code
lost agate
Not even 15 smh
fervent zealot
isn't it 22
karmic stone
It is
junior wasp
ever notice that all the tiers of exoblade recipes go like
1 projectile sword
(x) amount of true melee swords
or is it just obvious and I'm dumb?
placid moth
It do be like that
terse sundial
@atomic bolt Downpour is a god tier mage weapon, not sure why you are wanting it to be buffed. I can see a buff for the deepsea staff, but otherwise I'm just confused on why would would have them inflict venom instead of sulphuric posioning.
frail mantle
tbh just slapping a debuff onto weapons don't really make them more interesting
placid moth
At least it's more different and possibly better than Claspers
radiant meadow
because sulphuric poisoning is meant to be a super powerful debuff
that's why sots only does it on stealth strikes
terse sundial
Don't the toxic clouds inflict it also?
radiant meadow
^
lost agate
The normal ones only do dmg
radiant meadow
septic skewer always inflicts it because it's tiered for post moon lord
normal ones inflict venom
terse sundial
radiant meadow
do you need to announce it?
distant gyro
apparently this is a tradition now
terse sundial
It's for increasing communication regarding suggestions
ashen warren
I feel like that's more suitable for if they get implemented tbh
radiant meadow
okay, then this can be an only Merk thing
queen delta
appreciate it, merk
hollow saffron
Give the Ornate Shield more use
Reason: Literally no one ever uses it. The only thing it even does is to provide 6 defense, which by the phase that you get it is barely noticeable. Given that it is Cryogen-based and is crafted using Cryonic Bars, it could have some sort of use that is related to ice. Something that makes it more unique than just adding defense.
radiant meadow
I think that is a blue check
hollow saffron
Oof
civic pond
nevermind then
hollow saffron
Should I still post it tbh
hollow saffron
yea
@modest verge ya know both fargos mod and luiafk have infinite moon lord summons
you can buy celestial sigils from the mutant
and in lui you can craft an infinite sigil
modest verge
yes but I feel calamity should have one too. it has one for providence, and calamity adds lots of items that improve on the vanilla game.
hollow saffron
honestly tho i would like an item that instantly summons moon lord, so i dont have to wait 1 full minute to summon them
the provi summon is not consumable, yes
modest verge
also with fargos mod you have to beat moon lord to buy it
runic heath
Yes please oh my gosh that’s the worst
hollow saffron
maybe a non consumable item that is crafted using luminite and a sigil that instantly summosn him
also imagine having to craft an eye of extinction each time you summon scal
modest verge
i would die
modest verge
wasn't DOG also like that
night cradle
Yes, along with Yharon and SCal
hollow saffron
^
@cyan lagoon it acually makes so much more sense for them to spawn from the hive lmao
honest sky
Add an item post fight that removes the anti ludicrous dps stuff. Supreme Calameme is a good fight but farming her after I got to ridiculous levels gets tedious when my dmg is turbo cut
queen sail
Wdym
sand umbra
or
post-SCal item that removes SCal anti-butcher
maybe, just maybe, that's what they were referring to
queen sail
Thought we removed that already
sand umbra
or hell, even just anti-butcher straight-up disappearing after SCal has been defeated in a world for the first time
nope, you're thinking of anti-cheat
anti-butcher is the "any attack that does more than A% of boss XYZ's health has its damage set to 0" mechanic
radiant meadow
@ rover add to your todo list
radiant meadow
you assume that everyone farms for kelvin catalyst
which detracts from the suggestion
and I don't see how using a battle potion+water candle can be "trivial" and "time consuming"
water candle and battle potion were buffed to help compensate for the zerg/chaos push
@dawn jay
dawn jay
I say it can be trivial and time consuming because of the wastefulness of losing your battle potion. The increased spawn rates can kill you just as much as it helps you. Not everyone prefers alchemist npc either
and I agree that it seems like I assume everyone farms for the KC @radiant meadow
radiant meadow
blood orbs make crafting potions far easier
dawn jay
Though the drop rate before post-moon lord is much lesser
radiant meadow
if you use battle potions during a blood moon, you get increased reward for the cost of blood orbs to craft the potions
left crest
For me it was eleum that was much more the issue
zealous ridge
biggest problem with that, in my opinion, would be that it locks archery to hm
zenith hazel
^
zealous ridge
plus can't you technically get yharims stimulants with blood orbs pre-hm anyways?
in any case, locking archery to hm would suck for archers who want a buff to arrow speed
in pre hm
hollow idol
or just make it an alt recipe
zealous ridge
thats not what the suggestion is saying, but that is a pretty viable alternative
if it was changed to "alt recipe for archery pot w/ blighted lens" that would be good
void kelp
what's the current recipe?
zealous ridge
uh well i know it needs a lens
alongside that its a bottle and daybloom
or 10 blood orbs and a bottle
queen sail
Change the ”Cryogen is derping out!” message into something more...um...normal?
Reason: Same reason we changed Devourer of Thots to Cosmic Guardian.
queen delta
Perhaps
queen sail
think:
cobalt rose
Cryogen is becoming unstable!
queen sail
Why is copying emotes in messages so weird
proven tide
Cryogen is having a breakdown!
queen sail
proven tide
queen delta
Because discord™
queen sail
BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWN
queen sail
:menacing:
proven tide
🚹
zenith hazel
yeah, both work lol
heady comet
Cryogen is VIBING OUT OF CONTROL
teal ibex
yes please
quartz hare
cryogen is bombom
cloud surge
Cryogen is just vibin dont disturb his vibe
tepid root
vibe check
hexed hedge
Cryogen is going beep honk honk c r a z y!
tired haven
Cryogen has lost the basic safety instincts!
sharp helm
Cryogen has watched too much Sr Pelo!
glacial gate
Cryogen is off the goop!
proven tide
Cryogen has dissociated!
glacial gate
Cryogen is unstable. You have reminded it of the futility of its existence. It no longer fights with purpose, but a primal rage, solely born from your insolence as to inform it of its general purposelessness within the world it resides in. In mind, body, and soul, it is but a cornered animal.
Also he bein straight up goofy rn!!!
pliant cargo
cryogen is going sicko mode uwu
split narwhal
cryogen has lost its cool!
ashen warren
Thoughts on making crabulon have a rare chance to drop a craw carapace because it's very difficult to farm for it in hardmode due to the variety of underground enemies?
queen sail
or just make it craftable 
distant gyro
Fungal carapace fits more for a Crabulon drop
ashen warren
I can't think of any other enemies similar to crawdads
ashen warren
That would be a bit too easy to get then wouldn't it? I mean it's primarily meant to be dropped by crawdads so it should be rarer from other enemies that could potentially drop it.
zenith hazel
@junior wasp add a reason, please
proven tide
@junior wasp apart from the fact that you haven't provided a reas — hah, thanks brav — rogue will never affect throwing iirc
karmic stone
Also throwing goes to rogue for now since it's getting smited anyways
proven tide
it's designed to be an entirely separate class and is connected to throwing only by virtue of YEET