I fight bosses like new Rev+ EoC because they're fun
#suggestions-discussion
sand umbra
queen sail
- That doesn’t change that it’s literally just going back and forwards between two hordes of zombies and Martian Drones
- The fact that she has an entire moveset in comparison to most event minibosses going by a set cycle of 2-3 attacks
sand umbra
I don't fight Betsy because she's fun
tired haven
You fight WoF for progression, but it essentially boils down to loot
Also mmm, fun is subjective (though betsy fight (especially initiation) is far from popular)
sand umbra
Betsy's fight is just really wonky even from circumstance alone because it's in the third tier specifically of the last wave of a relatively obscure event nobody likes going through to begin with
queen sail
Imagine if Ice Queen was literally more than
• Rain icicles
• Spin icicles
• Shoot ice beam
wraith geode
*cough
queen sail
Though the thing with the moon events is that they make up in numbers
wraith geode
And each enemy is semi-unique.
tired haven
Also ice queens don't want to break the crystal you so fiercely defended for like 8 minutes
instead of you that is
wraith geode
True, true.
queen sail
Because muh tower defense
sand umbra
wraith geode
Now if only the crystal didn't need protecting during a boss fight, wouldn't that be swell?
queen sail
Which is what i meant by “killing betsy in under 20 seconds”
wraith geode
yeah, I know
queen sail
After 20 seconds that crystal is bound to be gone one way or another
wraith geode
unfortunately
sand umbra
either from Betsy herself or from you abandoning your duties as 500 Ogres suddenly exist at the crystal's location
wraith geode
Don't remind me.
queen sail
Like all you can really do atm to make it less boring is removing the UwU inbetween wave buffer and prepare for more generic fighter ai mobs
wraith geode
To summarize: Event's fucked, yo.
wraith geode
weird.
queen sail
And who even asked for a crossover
wraith geode
also a valid point
wraith geode
true, but DD2 frankly got the better end of the stick.
queen sail
Dryad as a playable character
queen delta
I dunno, aerial bane is godly
wraith geode
Who wields Meowmere
and dd2 also got a bunch of terraria fans playing the, honestly, kinda eh game.
it's like OOA, but 3d.
(Yes, I know that sounds dumb the way I worded it, but that's really how it feels.)
runic heath
I mean I only played the first dungeon defenders and it was a pretty fun tower defense, but it did not translate into terraria very well
it is a lot of just waiting
and if you have statis blessing, and know how to stack lightning aura towers, the enemies can't really move
since they can cry
wraith geode
yeah, but we shouldn't have to exploit mechanics to have fun in an event. That's the issue.
queen sail
Even in vanilla they go down as easy as spamming razorblade typhoon
tired haven
Calamity trivializes a lot of OOA with new gear
Can't even say it's a bad thing because in vanilla you aren't really able to fight it on tier without going tryhard
(and if you fight it later, the gear you get is now obsolete)
lost agate
Vanilla events have a tendency of needing you to go really tryhard to get any form of decent gear imo
wraith geode
yeah.
lost agate
GL getting a blizzard staff without trying your ass off
sand umbra
daily reminder that Martian Saucers beat out Rune Wizard contact and all of ML's attacks for the highest-damage attack in the game
queen sail
I remember setting up this tryhard lihzahrd trap contraption for the moon events in 1.2 and spamming vamp knives
sand umbra
in the form of a deathray on an opponent that easily catches up with you
sand umbra
wanna talk about cheesing
queen sail
The thing that gets stuck on your house
sand umbra
Flying Dutchmen literally get stuck on NPC hotels
tired haven
Probably
Because OOA can be cheesed to a point where only innately flying enemies bother you
And that's for anti-cheese event
wraith geode
yup
queen sail
Literally just the wyverns and the kobold kamikazes
tired haven
And betsy, kinda
sand umbra
Betsy moreso focuses on you
tired haven
(also those beetles in wave 2 of tier 3 but I forgot they exist)
sand umbra
so as long as you have shit to dispatch the other flying nerds, you can lure Betsy a fair bit away from the crystal
and fight her on her own merit
queen sail
Unfortuantely, you will mostly be at the center trying to make sure the crystal doesn't die
sand umbra
that's the unfortunate truth of it, ye
lost agate
For the few instances where i tried OOA this is what happened
1: "oh this is easy"
2: more enemies start spawning
3: realize my weapon sucks and that sentries barely hold on to themselves
4: crystal dies
5:???
6: profit
The moment the flying enemies spawn is the moment the dps race starts
acoustic ferry
dungeon defenders without any walls to stop the enemies
tired haven
It's always about flying enemies
Because literally all sentries perform less effective against them
wraith geode
That's... yeah.
acoustic ferry
dungeon defenders is not a game that works in 2d
queen sail
Crowd control weapons incase the zombie ai mobs get too close
wraith geode
After a while I just started piling Lightning Auras around the gem while wiping out everything on the ground.
queen sail
Ranged weps for the kobold kamikazes and the wyverns
lost agate
Im talking tier one btw
queen sail
P much
lost agate
Cuz i literally always forget ooa exists after tier 1
queen sail
OOA really wasn't executed that well tbh
Like
You get 7 coins max at the highest tier iirc
queen sail
And the best shit that comes in the shop is, like
20-40 coins for one piece of an armor
That's straight up MMO level grinding
tired haven
The costs are pretty fine imho, if it wasn't for initially boring event
You have to beat 2-3 pumpkin moons to gear up as summoner unless you annihilate wave 15
This is not much different
queen sail
With pumpkin moon there's a constatn influx of spooky wood
Because an enemy that spawns in droves as well as a common miniboss drops it
acoustic ferry
hey wait do ogres still have their drops even once you get to tier 3?
tired haven
Yes
queen sail
Yes
acoustic ferry
alright im gonna go get brand for memery
queen sail
With OOA you get the coins after you finish waves or the entire thing
acoustic ferry
whas that thing
queen sail
Is the reason Calamity doesn't add much to OOA because of how boring and forgettable it is
tired haven
Mayhaps
hollow saffron
yes
tired haven
Also that thing is Clash of Clans' Firecrackers building
Devastates flying enemies but can only target them
hollow saffron
no one even does ooa anyway
queen sail
Smite ooa timer when
acoustic ferry
unless its for brand or vesuvius
teal ibex
step 1: be in a multiplayer world
step 2: set up a duping station before you start ooa
step 3: dupe eternia crystals. enjoy your infinite sentries and walk away for like a year
tired haven
I mean at that point you don't really need to fight ooa at all
queen sail
"You call item duping a valid speedrun strat?"
hollow saffron
funny
queen sail
Hec: "Hey, as long as it works."
hollow saffron
its not like someone beat minecraft in 1 minute and 30 seconds by using a tool assist
tired haven
henks in 1.4
Ah, if only terraria had a tas tool at this point
There could have been 18 minutes ML likely
And calamity in less than an hour
queen delta
Or TAS could find an exploit in noodly red code and end up beating ML in less than 5 minutes
hollow saffron
tired haven
Nah, this is the wrong noodle code you think of
Smth like mario 64 
Red's noodles only prevent you from breaking the game even further so far
placid moth
I miss Cosmic Disgust.
gusty geode
^
bold valve
what would be a good class to pair with summoner for a two person run
quartz hare
offtopic
frail mantle
not really the right channel to ask
tired haven
Feels like a missed channel honestly
red spindle
Help and advice?
night cradle
Well, there is a doc with all new content added to the update in #calamity-mod-talk pinned messages that you can view
Not sure if adding a tooltip to mark the new updates would be that needed
limber glacier
perhaps not, it was just something I thought of that might be handy, and you don't have to leave the game to do it.
night cradle
SoC is perfectly fine as it is imo
And I doubt it's underused, since it's omega useful early-game
frail mantle
^
it's useful for essentially any boss that charges at you, like Queen Bee, Cryogen in the last phase or even Duke Fishron
night cradle
And Counter Scarf exists, yes, but it allows player to dodge projectiles with a cooldown, while the Shield allows to block melee attacks without it
Effectively making these two alternatives, at least in my opinion
frail mantle
yea
night cradle
And there is sorta an indirect upgrade to it, Asgard's Valor
And further Asgardian Aegis so yeah
limber glacier
in my opinion, the SoC is anything but 'underused', and I often use it up until wings or even master ninja gear
night cradle
^
wary flume
What are the rules about reposting or extending on to someone else's suggestion
zenith hazel
not technically allowed
wary flume
Because I suggested adding a hammer with an alt fire similar to the Crystyl Crusher and someone has suggested adding something better than the Grax which is basically what I asked for
zenith hazel
just don't say something like, "adding to the suggestion above" or something
wary flume
HaZeYesterday at 5:07 PM
Give an item an alt fire similar to the Crystyl Crusher that destroys walls, Walls take to long to destroy in large amounts
This is more for qol than anything.
night cradle
if you want to add, you should probably mention the author of the previous suggestion to add it on their suggestion
at least that's what I heard in there
wary flume
MadMan310Today at 2:57 AM
Add a more powerful hammer
Currently, the most powerful hammer is the grax, which is pre-providence. This hammer, while being fast at destroying walls, still takes a considerable amount of time to destroy a lot of walls.
Adding an extremely powerful hammer (or hamaxe) in would help a lot, if it would be about crystyl crusher-level fast.
Post-DoG would be a good time to have one since dev items aren't allowed.
@zenith hazel It is quite similar to what I asked for 😐
limber glacier
surely it's a good thing that they want the same thing as you? it might help with gaining attention...
placid moth
Would you like a patent for your suggestion
wary flume
Maybe but following rules is also a good idea
So I am looking for clarification more than anything
zenith hazel
hmm... maybe try sorting this out with the other guy?
this is a very grey area when it comes to suggestion rules
wary flume
It is fine and all just was unsure on how ruling worked if you're ok with it I am
zenith hazel
yeah just ask the other guy to be sure
limber glacier
you could collaborate!
proven tide
@ashen warren A) that's not a suggestion B) #changelogs already happened last update (downloadable in #mod-downloads) C) 
D) run before you get killed
uwu
distant gyro
uwu hours
sand umbra
latest is on the browser, even
cyan lagoon
@ashen warren it already happened
ashen warren
I have the latest version and it is still astrageldon slime’s theme
proven tide
well, evidently you don't
because it was changed this update
which has been around for five days
exotic dock
you need the music file
ashen warren
Well I have all the new rogue weapons
exotic dock
it's separate
exotic dock
ik
sand umbra
which released over a month ago
ashen warren
Yea he still has astrageldon slime’s theme
queen sail
What mod versions do you have
queen sail
Music mod
ashen warren
v1.4.2.1
Is that outdated?
distant gyro
that's vague and most likely outdated
versed mica
Well I might in a few seconds tag caution accidentally
I lagged out on a different device
proven tide
or make the sound itself a softer sort
ashen warren
besides you can lower the sfx volume and still have the music around
proven tide
oh come on, we both know that's not a viable solution
proven tide
when one sound is overpowering having to lower your environmental awareness just to tone it back is
sub-ideal
sand umbra
can DSD get the same treatment please
proven tide
do the minecraft thing and have sliders for different sound sorts 
sand umbra
DSD is fucking deafening
sand umbra
Deep Sea Dumbbitch.
proven tide
doofenshmir—
sand umbra
If you've ever thrown it you know what I'm talking about
it's absurd
lost agate
I already lowered its volume
proven tide
maybe give it the aureus treatment too
harsh latch
i don't know why, but this update, ele blaster got a lot louder than it was before
ashen warren
the sound cooldown thing?
proven tide
yeees
lost agate
Its lowered in this update
sand umbra
oh
proven tide
well done
sand umbra
lemme check it
lost agate
A fat like 30% of the volume iirc
ashen warren
I used it this update
iirc it was still pretty earblast
lost agate
If you use it in closed spaces its still a bit loud
But otherwise its fine
I think its just the pitch of the sound or smth
austere lion
just turn down your pc volume
lost agate
Np
ashen warren
that's not nearly as viable as my solution vruh
lost agate
Im trying to lower the volume from a lot of things
ashen warren
You also lose every sound instead of just sfx.
lost agate
Thing is, if its the use sound, that makes it 10x harder
ashen warren
talking to the vomit of letters btw shucks
lost agate
Yeah ik
As i was saying, if its the sound on tile collide or the like its piss easy
But use sound is uh...
sand umbra
what I do is just have the use sound blank and then call the sound when the item is actually thrown/used
that way I can mess with the sound however I please
lost agate
Thats a solution yes
Other is copying the sound into another sound legacy and lowering it from there
Aka like the shadowflame situation
Which are absurdly more complex solutions than what they should be
Like, cant there be something like item.SoundVolume or smth?
grand badger
This looks like it has been a very long time in the making
ashen warren
it was posted a while ago
It's kinda been a thing that lore presence sucks as-is but nothing seems to happen even with lots of suggs about it
grand badger
Suppose it has low priority, between the bug-fixing, new items and working on the rogue class
it's a shame really, the calamity lore feels much cooler than the official terraria lore that was revealed on the last anniversary
grand badger
¯_(ツ)_/¯
mossy shale
Thorium does it good too with some of their bosses, you use a flare gun to summon grand thunder bird, viscount literally has it's own arena you are forced to fight him in... I think itd be cool if calamity had summon methods like this too
lost agate
gusty geode
Shield of Cthulhu
U N D E R U S E D
foggy grove
I mean, with integrating some of the lore into the calamity boss fights, I think Astrum Aureus would be a good start.
Lorewise, it's a machine built by Draedon that was taken over by the disease, dormant in the infection until reawoken by an outside threat. What if when the astral infection generates during hardmode, you can find a deactivated Aureus just sitting there in the infection, and the first time you fight it you need to do something to threaten it, like hit it with the clentaminator for example, then the fight begins.
gusty geode
I like
foggy grove
Also the Astrum Deus spawning mechanic, while unique, still feels like it was thrown together, since it's just "kill this rare mob 3 times". It doesn't feel like there was a reason for the Atlases specifically, or any tie to the lunatic cultist (I know that part is a game mechanic and not lore but still)
void kelp
would be neat
lost agate
hitting aureus with a clentaminator
Thats obscure as shit
How would anyone know you have to do that
distant gyro
the in-game guide npc 
lost agate
Like ok, you want more tie to lore when summoning bosses? Ok
But who in their right mind would assume that you trigger aureus with a clentaminator?
void kelp
I would think trying to mine it would be an easier option
lost agate
Ok but do you resummon him if you die?
ashen warren
instead of despawning, aureus sits down and deactivates
a new aureus spawns every morning/when you reload the world
lost agate
Well that would need an interesting bit of animation
tropic marsh
MP is gonna be broken for a lot of things
cyan lagoon
Around 700 blocks from its initial spawn
tropic marsh
Also I do want to point out, at least for me, biome locking fights is always annoying for me more than immersive. It just means I have to set up my arena in specific areas
as opposed to having one central area
nocturne crow
Like the Scal and Yharon fight, what if bosses always forced an arena on the player?
tropic marsh
I don't like that idea
Yharon and Scal it makes sense for, you're at the stage of the game where you can freely move pretty much anywhere you want.
But like, imagine DoG with a forced arena. It'd have to be a giant platform, which is essentially what players already do.
nocturne crow
But look at it this way. If they forced an arena to that player, then the player doesn't have to always spend hours trying to build arenas.
tropic marsh
I don't think there's a single arena in the game that takes more than 20 minutes
and most of them are reusable
foggy grove
My DoG arena took 5 minutes, it's only really death mode underworld providence that takes time afaik
opal barn
building arenas is a part of playing terraria though
it wouldn't be the same when you just take the summoning item wherever and plop it because it makes an arena for you
ashen warren
sc?
sand umbra
it wouldn't be the same when you just take the summoning item wherever and plop it because it makes an arena for you
yeah uh. isn't this literally exactly what SCal does
sand umbra
the Eye of Extinction straight-up makes the arena for you, the only thing you're doing is maybe picking a specific spot and having like a row of platforms or w/e
and I'm talking realistically, I don't care about nohits here
I'm talking about the average player's experience when playing through the mod on their own merit
foggy grove
I mean, the entire SCal fight is a forced bullet hell, it's nowhere near as natural of a fight as DoG or Providence
foggy grove
I'm comparing it to Terraria boss fights as a whole, not bullet hells has a whole.
The SCal fight is a combination of both, so it compromises some aspects of both
lost agate
Also sc makes an "arena" yes
But its barely enough to be considered an helpful arena in any form
You got a square yes, but that square doesnt help with being comfortable on bhs, that square doesnt help when begining the fight
Its a limitation more than an arena
sand umbra
lost agate
sand umbra
lost agate
one emote tells me sooo much
sand umbra
emotes are the best way to communicate
lost agate
except no
sand umbra
tired haven
sinful violet
Just gonna say, alternate spawn methods’ve been on our minds for a while
gusty geode
Maybe killing enough Plaguebringers could summon PBG
mossy shale
Calamitas Rain
gusty geode
Like
You keep bringing down the enforcers of the area
Eventually enough lost signals happen for the big guns to be called in
gusty geode
Or
Better idea that kinda extends off something I mentioned yesterday
I had said something about Corruption enemies splitting and recombining to fit the theme Calamity establishes for it
You could summon Hive Mind by allowing enemies to keep fusing, getting bigger and bigger until a full-sized Mind is formed
nocturne crow
I'm trying to imagine a brand new player experiencing that and just sitting there, watching it happen.
gusty geode
Lol
nocturne crow
To be honest, that actually reminds me of the concept from the old game Sinistar.
gusty geode
That'd honestly be kinda scary in gameplay
Every kill causes the enemies to split
You gotta keep the smallest ones contained or risk them recombining into bigger ones
Sounds like a lotta fun
nocturne crow
Sounds like work for an invasion I would honestly put up with.
gusty geode
I'll see if I can't get a doc up about it
Hopefully this doesn't get shot down as pointless by the devs
There comes a point where an idea is too cool not to do, regardless of practicality imo
gusty geode
Know what
Starting to wonder if this has too much potential
Plan I had laid out was a number of small "component enemies" that would be spawned from killed enemies
They'd attack for a bit before beginning to chase other enemies to combine with them, buffing them or even completely changing them into new ones
And not just existing enemies, there'd be dozens of new ones spawned from combinations like this have an image in my head of a Blight Slime with spider legs that resemble a Corruptor's mouth
mossy shale
Would it be the same for the crimson or would there be a different gimmick there
sand umbra
honestly this idea sounds cool as fuck but imagine trying to get it to work under Terraria circumstance
gusty geode
When two enemies get close together
Delete one and buff the other
Or delete both and spawn a new one in their place
That's how the combining part would work, I imagine
And that seems like the hardest part
runic heath
A bunch of enemies coming together to form something? goozma time
But yeah in general I think that would be cool the biggest worry would be that it exasperates the issue of accidentally spawning hive mind
Or with other bosses in general.
It would overall be a cool addition imo just as long as like with astrum deus you can craft a summon item for the boss afterwards
opal barn
yeah, let's make such an effort to summon a boss that's not even required for progression
queen delta
To summon yharim, you must solve a riddle that appears in the jungle temple post-scal
ashen warren
yharim fight always begins with a five minute unskippable cutscene*
with voice acting
tired haven
If something, optional bosses are the ones that special summoning conditions apply to in the best way
(except betsy, her special condition is just a drag)
queen delta
And a boss fight thats just basically MKX interactable cutscenes
nocturne crow
Pfft...
Quick-time events only
runic heath
Yeah there is definitely a balance to strike between unique summon methods and how much effort they take
ML and Betsy come to mind
Since destroying celestial towers takes a decent amount of time, and OOA is just relatively tedious
not to mention that ML takes a minute to spawn even using a sigil
It would be nice if ML’s minute long summon time only applies to the pillars since at least it makes sense there because if you’ve just gotten done fighting at a pillar you need time to get into position and stuff
nocturne crow
It definitely sucks when people try to farm using the Sigils when going for the Grand Dad or a very specific drop.
radiant pawn
good way to spawn golem but lets just dont:
golem is inmovile until you activate him WITH the key
runic heath
Golem’s spawn is unique in the first place
You have to interact with an object as opposed to just summoning it
But yeah as someone who forgot I could just nurse cheese ML having to wait a minute for every spawn was terrible
But besides that there is a 2.5% drop chance item tied to ML which means regardless you have to sit through that if you want to farm for it
sand umbra
not even one
there are two of them
Grand Dad and Infinity --- which are, amusingly enough, the two biggest memes of the whole RIV set
runic heath
There was a suggestion made about this on August 31st
frail mantle
tbh reduce ML spawn time after his defeat iirc
sweet crow
tbh use something like fargos and have the instant summon
tired haven
tbh cheat sheet speedhack 60
sweet crow
wouldn't you still have to wait a whole second
tired haven
yes, if you want to wait less, just make that 600
placid girder
ok does anyone else not like how similar a lot of hive mind and perf drops are
tired haven
Meh
They are actually quite different if you look closer, but they still follow the same theme for most part, which is good for alternate evils
lost agate
Yeah theyre alts
It would be more worrysome if AS drops were like brimmy drops or smth
placid girder
idk some are just about the same like the shortswords
tired haven
That's the issue of shortswords having little to be unique in first place
lost agate
I mean
tired haven
They are mostly stabstab
lost agate
Lights bane and butcher sword are kinda the same too
And like, yes, shivs barely do anythign at that tier
tired haven
Meanwhile bloodbath and shadowdrop staff, while having a similar pattern, are extremely different in gameplay
tired haven
Tooth balls and rot balls are consumables, and those also share the lack of unique mechanics in game
sinful violet
At least they'll get stealth strikes so hopefully that pads em out a bit
lost agate
The problem with making them different is that you handle them very well or you end up like the vanilla alts
placid girder
oh yeah if theyre getting unique stealth strikes thats p good
sinful violet
I'm more concerned with the dank creepers vs blood clots
Oh yeah
Where one's fuck and the other's god
lost agate
Yeah
placid girder
also wym like the vanilla alts
sinful violet
laughs in fetid bagnakhs vs whatever the fuck the corruption chain knives are
lost agate
One is better in sell price and all
Like demonite and crimtane bars
Good alts very wow
placid girder
oh like being blatantly better
fervent zealot
i make millions every year by selling tooth balls
placid girder
crimson
lost agate
Ah fuck i forgot to change the sell price of tooth balls
placid girder
yeah its prob just a me thing because i tend to do both evils
tired haven
I mean chain guillotines are also decent (in vanilla)
They just do not share the same niche with baghs and the latter has much higher risk-reward and thus more remarkable
civic pond
buff guillotines when
fervent zealot
guillotines are worse because of mechanic
tired haven
Buffing effectively the high end ranged melee option, henk
fervent zealot
buffing them to compete with bagnadahks or whatever the fuck they're called is a very, bad idea
tired haven
though in calamity they are lacking, obv
civic pond
they way guillotines work compared to bagnahks is kind of odd
tired haven
Time to compare clinger staff and life drain then 
Myes one is essentially sentry and another is uhhh aoe
And both are somewhat useless
👍
minor marlin
Thoughts on adding a visible debuff for the Core of the Blood God's cooldown?
tired haven
Buff icons cap kinda whispers no but mmm
minor marlin
I dunno, plenty of other accessories already have it
like Prof artifact and Counter scarf
minor marlin
Just would like the consistency, ya kno
tired haven
I think you're free to suggest that, just expand on the reasoning and it's good
minor marlin
What about a proper cooldown for Silva, so you don't have to die for it to reset? Like 5-10 minutes or something.
true glen
what about adding a visual effect whenever the Core of the Blood God like a particle similar to the one of the Brain of Cthulu pops out the character once the cooldown's off
runic heath
I am guessing the reason buff cap can’t be increased is red code?
void kelp
however, it works only on new characters
you have to have the mod enabled when you create new characters; you can't use other characters made beforehand without the mod enabled
runic heath
weird
hollow idol
does this fall under the shadowspec rule
terse sundial
yes, as it implies that the furniture is made with shadowspec bars
ashen warren
e
terse sundial
@ashen warren please read the pins first
ashen warren
ok
terse sundial
there is a doc in that details what you cannot suggest
anything involving shadowspec is off limits
terse sundial
either delete it or change it to something else
ashen warren
deleted
runic heath
can shadowspec bars be made to craft shadowspec bars
ashen warren
yes
mystic widget
ahem wulfrum summon weapon
runic heath
slime staff is not bad
but eh maybe
the biggest issue with early game summons is that hermit crab is jank unless it's been changed
wary flume
Hermit isn’t useless but sure
runic heath
it isn't useless it's just jank
wary flume
It is good for early events such as goblin army
ashen warren
just made a big brain suggestion
zenith hazel
why is the spacing so weird
civic pond
:bruh:
wary flume
That seems stupid
ashen warren
i still think bars of life should be post ml
wary flume
Why?
ashen warren
they have barelly any use preml
quick ice
Why are we discussing moving materials around?
ashen warren
only for a few stray weapons
quick ice
Also how would bars of life be obtainable post-ML
wary flume
Action that means they are better post moonlord anyway
ashen warren
with the regular materials and unholy essence
i made a suggestion
if you think its bad dont fucking judge me
ashen warren
there are postml pre providence items needing bars of life
wary flume
If you’re worried about being judged when this should be taken serious I really think you shouldn’t have suggested it
civic pond
orrrr discussing it here first instead
quick ice
We’re just giving constructive criticism
wary flume
Also you’re saying to move them post moonlord when majority of the items are needed post moonlord that just seems like more work for the devs
quick ice
If it’s your first suggestion don’t take it bad if we disagree with it, since most of us have suggested before or have critiqued suggestions
quick ice
They’d have to rebalance all items that are Pre-Providence
wary flume
This is exactly how my first suggestion went, in circles and horribly wrong
ashen warren
they wouldnt have to rebalance
wary flume
What about the few items pre ml
ashen warren
they could have astral bars instead
quick ice
That takes time, and they have much more important things to do like making rogue items for Rogue Update: Episode 2
quick ice
Not until next update
ashen warren
cough if it gets accepted im guessing atleast 1.4.4
wary flume
Bruh astral Bars and decent weapons don’t make sense either
civic pond
Overall this kind of suggestion doesn't have a lot of priority/necessity, but i can see why
ashen warren
.-.
quick ice
Also if it gets 90 ⭐️s and isn’t accepted, don’t feel bad. Tons of suggestions are sent to the dev server and maybe 1 in 25 are actually accepted
Don’t take that number seriously though, I’m just making it up
zenith hazel
don’t meme please
ashen warren
ok
zenith hazel
also that would entail moving omniblade and hyperius bullets to post-deus which is... an interesting design choice
civic pond
yeah you can edit it
ashen warren
k
zenith hazel
make the spacing a bit less weird please, it floods the channel
ashen warren
ok
tired haven
I mean, you can always replace the bar of life in these recipes
albeit it's a fair bit of work
mystic widget
No
quick ice
You can, but again there are more important changes/features to be implemented and changing bars of life’s placement in the game seems pointless
wary flume
The reasoning behind this is that they are mainly usedd post moonlord so move them post moonlord?
yet there are a few things pre
ashen warren
made some edits
tired haven
There is long-term purpose of them being separated from chaotic which opens on the same tier, but as of current there is no reason to shuffle them
ashen warren
...
runic heath
I mean chaotic is used for armour while bars of life are not
tired haven
(But both are used for weaponry)
Eh tbh
I just want to hear the actual reasoning behind that move other than "they should personally be Post ML."
quick ice
Reasoning should never include words like “Personally” or “I think”
karmic stone
Self-star
This seems a tad bit drastic, and it doesn't help that there's no "Why" in here
ashen warren
5*
tired haven
And darksun fragments are only really used for like 5 items pre-yharon p2
Would it make sense to move them as well?
quick ice
When providing a potential solution to the problem they’re fine, but for a flat suggestion such as this reasoning should be based around a balancing issue or using logic
It’s not bad, just unnecessary
tired haven
^
ashen warren
should i delete
quick ice
Up to you, it doesn’t matter though
tired haven
It may be a nice touch if the mod was practically finished, but for now there are higher priorities
And mhm, judge for yourself. It doesn't inherently break rules, just may be unpopular
tired haven
Though if I were you and wanted to fix it, I would have added deeper reasoning
hearty plaza
Bars of life should have an armor set imo
quick ice
You’ll improve over time, but if you want to improve try posting the suggestions here first and ask for critiquing before posting it in #suggestions-voting
ashen warren
ok
tired haven
Yeah, practice makes perfect
Just don't get upset too much and seek for improvements
ashen warren
ok
quick ice
Now, time to make a draft like I originally came here to do
Evil Islands changes: Currently, evil islands aren’t very helpful for fighting the biomes respective bosses or encountering the enemies. This is in part due to the lack of evil blocks on the island and the height, both of which I think should be changed
More evil blocks: To fix this problem of there not being enough blocks to make the evil islands function as a biome, there are 2 possible solutions. Either the island be made larger (Ideal option so the EoW and Perforators don’t fall off as easily) or some of the Evil Ore can be converted to Evil grass, but both would help increase the amount of evil tiles so that these islands function as a biome.
Decreased elevation: The other factor that makes it hard to fight the evil bosses in the biome is the height of the island overriding the biome. If the height was decreased to be around 50 tiles below normal sky islands, I think it would help solve this issue and let the islands register as an actual evil biome
civic pond
I agree with this
gusty geode
Aren't they
Not
Supposed to be functioning biomes tho
Just providing the means to build functioning biomes
quick ice
You can’t do that until Hardmode as of now
gusty geode
I still strongly disagree with the idea of both world evils in one world at all but whatever
Can with grass
quick ice
The biomes don’t spread, and you can’t get evil grass iirc
gusty geode
It spreads through grass pre-hardmode
Or at least it did last I checked
tired haven
Grass does spread, but only grass
quick ice
Even then, you can’t get the alternate world evils grass without its powder
tired haven
You don't really need that anyway given good amount of sandstone to emulate evil biome, but you need big flat surface for bosses to spawn correctly
teal ibex
#suggestions-voting just jumped for joy 👀
sand umbra
boing
gusty geode
Why do we need both world evils at once again anyway
quick ice
Quality of Life
civic pond
oh?
quick ice
same reason the planetoids and Ice Temple exist, to serve as a quality of life structure for those who want to fight all the bosses and access all of the games content
gusty geode
Imo you should have to go out of your way for that
If you can do it all on any world, makes every playthrough more samey
quick ice
your opinion is wrong
I guess so, but the elevation change I suggested would still be nice so you don't have to destroy the whole island to have enough blocks
wary flume
Baked the only thing that makes a playthrough the same is how you deem it's played
zealous ridge
with the rogue update out, is discussing its changes in here alright? if it isnt the right channel, then i can bring the topic somewhere else, but i do want to hear the general opinion of the changes made to rogue and how the class can be improved...?
sinful violet
If you have suggestions on how to improve it, here's fine
General discussion of it should be in #calamity-mod-talk
zealous ridge
okay, thanks mrrp
warm tinsel
Add flavor text when a boss is enraged or invincible
Honestly, Fab did it with PBG's enrage once, so I figured out we can arrange stuff and make it cooler with a simple config.
That said, here's the list:
Desert Scourge: The great worm hardens...
Hive Mind: The rotting masses scream...
Perforator Hive: The bloody spawns lunges at you...
Slime Deities: The slimy deities hates the change in gravity...
Cryogen: The ice castle rushes to get you...
Brimstone Elemental: The Elemental really hates cowards...
Aquatic Scourge: The worm rushes to hurt you even more...
Leviathan and Siren: A powerful song protects the two friends...
(Will continue this if you like the idea)
ashen warren
maybe
warm tinsel
For the Mechs for example, Anti-Gravity Module activated, proceeding with extermination
And
Solar energy empowers the mechanical terrors...
A reference to the instakill yeah?
lost agate
who in the hell says slime deities
civic pond
maybe not those specifically but nonetheless
any indication of enrage like that would be great
karmic stone
You're thinking about Goozma Ferox lol
civic pond
slime gods :flushd:
warm tinsel
Lol maybe, but it's also easier
warm tinsel
I mean, The Slime God enrages
But we may have killed the core already so it should say deities to reference any remaining slime god
civic pond
Well
there are no more powerful slimes after them
not anymore at least so its valid
oh wait the core is the actual "god"
tired haven
Irradiated slime god
civic pond
fear
sand umbra
pre-nerf irradiated slime was
warm tinsel
So why aren't the Crimulan and Ebonian Slimes called anything else?
sand umbra
definitely something
teal ibex
didn't this exact thing get suggested and sent tuesday? 
zealous ridge
I'm meh on this... Mostly because:
- clogging chat could be annoying
- no indication for when not enraged anymore which solves only half the problem, if this were added it would make clogging chat even more prevalent
- barely solves a problem to begin with (is invincibility, increased speed, increased damage, and solid/instakill barriers on later fights not enough? and if not, why?)
sand umbra
well no
@zealous ridge the issue is that most people don't know why the enrage happens
or that it happens in the first place
teal ibex
namely the latter
sand umbra
and no, you can't use "they can look on the wiki" as a counterpoint
if you have to look on a wiki to know something important like that about a boss fight there's probably something wrong
zealous ridge
im not using the wiki as a counterpoint
teal ibex
and under the assumption these are added, i would suspect that there would be one message indicator tops
karmic stone
didn't this exact thing get suggested and sent tuesday? hecticHmm
This?
teal ibex
this = enraged boss indication
sand umbra
is fine, was just making sure because I see the wiki used as a defense mechanism for things like enrages having no indicator quite a bit
zealous ridge
having the message show up barely tells you that leaving the biome is the issue
teal ibex
but it does tell you, which is what's important here
civic pond
I still think this would be better than nothing period
teal ibex
imagine a player who consistently leaves a biome that forces an enrage
they're gonna come in here first and blast about how unfair the boss is
civic pond
because i see complaints all the time of "why the fuck did (x) boss just one shot me"
besides
sand umbra
PBG especially seriously needs this
civic pond
if text is a problem
teal ibex
if they see the message each fight, they'll assume -- like they should! -- that they're doing something wrong
opaque pecan
it should be a link to the wiki
sand umbra
no
civic pond
wa
sand umbra
that's literally the exact thing I was proofing my argument against
teal ibex
(and even still, this already got suggested tuesday and reached over 130 stars, so i don't know why it's coming up again)
civic pond
:thinkies:
zealous ridge
it is slightly different mind you
civic pond
well
opaque pecan
ok ok ok. it should be two links to the same wiki page
sand umbra
zealous ridge
flavor text rather than roar
civic pond
jaja funni
civic pond
well then if it was already suggested i guess thats it then
teal ibex
exactly, this is mostly redundant
opaque pecan
meme it?
teal ibex
this isn't a meme channel, you really should move on
zealous ridge
why delete, at the very least this proves that it's a "frequently suggested" thing so i dont see why it should be deleted
civic pond
fair enough
teal ibex
bloat
civic pond
byeah
teal ibex
it's already blue checkmarked anyway
which is the objective way to say something is frequently requested
civic pond
im tempted to resuggest buffing daybreak or goldplume
acoustic ferry
there's no reason to use daybreak currently so sounds ok to suggest
civic pond
i did.
zealous ridge
what was your suggestion, for reference? buff damage?
civic pond
oh fuck wait i just had a stroke
teal ibex
as long as you have killtimes versus the actual bosses you should get a testers attention on the matter at the very least
teal ibex
then probably don't 
acoustic ferry
what was the previous one
civic pond
"resuggestion
Buff daybreak
As of now daybreak is considerably weak for its tier and is outdone by many other weapons. Its not very viable for crowd control, moonlord, or multiple targets at once. I suggest a plain base damage buff to it to at least make it viable for its tier."
civic pond
so far one of my most hopeful suggestions was implemented :cheer:
yeah goldplume
I don't see the issue with giving it autoswing
or buffing its damage/giving it some other effect
windblade just tends to.. outdo it?
zealous ridge
either of those would help it immensely
civic pond
i mean its just so underwhelming
acoustic ferry
making the feathers do any damage at all would make it better
zealous ridge
without autoswing, it implies that its supposed to hit super hard, but it doesnt
so its just kind of useless, sausage maker outdoes it despite being in the same tier
zealous ridge
or at least, weapons that require more effort to use than just holding down the attack button
acoustic ferry
the set bonus
zealous ridge
skyblaze?
zealous ridge
glaze, sorry
civic pond
feathers stick and explode
radiant pawn
example: enraged bosses have a red outline that tells when are those bosses enraged
acoustic ferry
/ the set bonus of aerialite
civic pond
and do more damage
teal ibex
there was already a suggestion like 3 days ago suggesting a roar or red hue
this one probs should be deleted but i'm not gonna ping a mod over it 
tired haven
radiant pawn
if a boss is enraged just amplify your sight to see pixel movements
zealous ridge
i disagree, but whatever the devs think would be best
radiant pawn
and except Yharon, you can tell easily when a boss is enraged or not
acoustic ferry
i thought storm weaver's insane enrage speed was it's intended normal speed until i looked up that hes supposed to be fought in space
because i had nothing to compare it to
teal ibex
as somebody who regularly has to tell people about boss enrages, no, it's not that easy
radiant pawn
it is imo
acoustic ferry
if hec has to regularly tell people about it
no its not
tired haven
Time to pull out the "A Hat in Time Deathwish Vignette effect" I guess 
teal ibex
and in your anecdotal experience it doesn't require a change, fair enough, but lots of people get needlessly confused by it
civic pond
resuggestion
Buff Goldplume Spear
As of now it's not a very viable choice, especially compared to windblade.
Weapons without autoswing tend to hit harder and goldplume doesn't really fit that description. To either make it more interesting/viable I suggest to either give it autoswing, increase its damage, or give it some effect like skyglazes feathers sticking and exploding. These are only ideas. 
h
anything i should change
teal ibex
especially people playing rev/death for the first time, since there's ai changes and whatnot
some people just think the enrages are the boss and realize they hate calamity and never play it again
radiant pawn
goldplume shreds bone man iirc
acoustic ferry
seems alright to me
the last time i used it on bone man it did like 3 damage per feather
tired haven
Would be nice to see the numbers of how much wind blade dominates the goldplume spear, but eh
civic pond
im scared of putting numbers in a suggestion now
base damage wind blade has 27
and goldplume has 23..?
something along that
zealous ridge
dps tests would be better
plus effectiveness from range is something to take into account
tired haven
Base damage means roughly about nothing
acoustic ferry
and i think it has decreased damage on the feathers?
haven't used it in a while so might be wrong
zealous ridge
goldplume has way worse dps outside of the spear's range, while wind blade can hold its own at a longer range
civic pond
i'll try bee.
zealous ridge
biggest problem as i see it is how goldplume sucks total balls at any range outside of the spear itself, and offers nothing unique at close range compared to sausage maker
civic pond
I mean to be fair
Goldplume's projectiles are effected by gravity
Windblade has the succ
karmic stone
Actually I tried Goldplume against QB in such a way that all the feathers hit while she charged
civic pond
windblade tends to require less effort to use
radiant pawn
civic pond
:bruh:
tired haven
karmic stone
So it's just bad in all ways
zealous ridge
actually try and fight
karmic stone
try
Keyword
radiant pawn
goldplume is just like the aerialite pickaxe
zealous ridge
mhm
radiant pawn
karmic stone
You don't go farther than that 
civic pond
alright alright fine
zealous ridge
its more representative of actual gameplay situations in all fairness, although it is more effort
what would be some good ways to improve the goldplume, then?
bumble brought up the feathers sticking in and exploding on enemies/walls
karmic stone
What other crowd weapon does melee have at that point
Because if there's not much, explosions would be nice
zealous ridge
Wind blade, to an extent, has piercing and the ability to pull enemies in, keeping groups together
ashen warren
Pretty sure yat bloom w/ symbiote aces goldplume.
I'd be willing to bet it does normally without symbiote but I have no clue at this time.
karmic stone
Ok so there's Wind Blade, Yat bloom does great as well (just came from a melee PT) and Oathsword, which is ass to get
And i really don't see much else on the list
ashen warren
arkhalis probably also
night's stabber and more importantly carnage are both after sans
zealous ridge
Yes
karmic stone
Ye
civic pond
allllllright
ashen warren
qb is pre skeletron
zealous ridge
if you have goldplume, you should have areospec
sand umbra
realistically you could just test on Skeletron
civic pond
fine
well.
I tested em both on a dummy and skeletron
Goldplume - slightly harder to use, projectiles do mediocre damage affected by gravity and just better close range. Dps was around 30-40 with consistent hits, but close up it can reach around 90
Windblade - autoswing, projectiles hit twice and do considerably more damage, better from farther away. With consistent hits it can hit around 100 Dps. Close up around 160ish
gear was Aerospec helm, breastplate, leggings, grand gelatin, band of regen, skyline wings, feral claws, SoC, and lightning boots.
i pray i didn't miss anything
and from my expierence goldplume could use a change of effect/buff
hollow saffron
@sleek glacier have you ever thought about:
dodging
using a weapon like the elemental disk that takes care of them quickly
zen
honestly from my experience theyre not too bad
sleek glacier
I'm really tired of responses to nerf requests being "git gud"
sleek glacier
and they're a lot nastier when you have to deal with server lag
hollow saffron
you should have wings by that point in the game
imagine playing on calamity servers 😳
sleek glacier
I do
hollow saffron
well do the servers have a bad connection
thomas if you dont have enough space to circle then dash
civic pond
ooook im going ahead with the goldplume buff.
sand umbra
do you realize the environment Happy Phantom Spirits are fought in in the first place
sand umbra
you do not have that kind of dodging room available without extensive prior work
acoustic ferry
the dungeon is also a gangbang
signal prairie
They could use a bit of a damage nerf
hollow saffron
usually the main work i do in the dungeon post ml is making a polter arena
sand umbra
that too. there's also 500 other things trying to eat you in the Dungeon at any given time
sleek glacier
the dungeon is a MESS, it really needs to be looked at as a whole and reworked
queen delta
Yeah, most of the naturally made dungeon is unsuitable for dodging them
sand umbra
^
hollow saffron
honestly i feel like they could be nerfed but only if all other phantom spirits get unique attacks/buffed
because the other variants are just not tough enough
acoustic ferry
its especially bad when a necromancer joins in while you're trying to run from a happy phanto
hollow saffron
necromancers 
sand umbra
n e c ro m a nc ers
acoustic ferry
or really just any of the mage skeletons
hollow saffron
diabolists arent too bad
sand umbra
honestly all of the casters in the Dungeon are horrible to deal with
hollow saffron
ragged casters are really annoying
signal prairie
Ragged Caster
sand umbra
just as a product of how wonky Dungeon gen is to begin with
hollow saffron
theyre all horrific if you have ranged weps too
even more so if youre in a tight space
queen delta
Just a question, doge. Have you suggested this before?
civic pond
i have
queen delta
And has that suggestion gotten 90 stars and sent to the dev server?
civic pond
Nope
terse sundial
yat they're good, dw
civic pond
queen delta
Just making sure
hollow saffron
but tbh the fact that phantom spirits are basically just resprited versions of dungeon spirits is quite unoriginal
terse sundial
but this is something I would like to see tbh
signal prairie
I'mma sum of everything about the dungeon in one phrase. The Dungeon is a shitshow. Nuff said
terse sundial
I may submit some tests about getting this a slight buff
karmic stone
What do ya'll think about smiting Happy Spirit's ranged attack and giving it less knockback resistance
civic pond
👍
hollow saffron
@sleek glacier i would suggest you add on to your sugg asking for original attacks/stuff for other phantoms to make the idea more original
acoustic ferry
they are a cooler color though
acoustic ferry
^
terse sundial
probably give it autoswing and reduce the usetime and useanimation
sleek glacier
I don't care about the resprite, I just care about the fact that I get utterly destroyed by them even when I'm kitted out with the best gear I can muster
civic pond
The exploding feathers theme woulda been neat
civic pond
few weapons dont have autoswing
sleek glacier
because RSI sucks
sleek glacier
Repetitive Stress Injury
civic pond
All my suggestions will help subclasses become stronger
sleek glacier
that can cause it, yes
hollow saffron
ah
civic pond
yeah i dont like my hand hurting
I only reached 80 DPS max with goldplume because of it
hollow saffron
about to bring up the amount of geometry dash youtubers who have had to quit over finger pain
lost agate
i could think of something
civic pond
hm?
lost agate
for goldplume spear
hollow saffron
yeah i can understand why rsi sucks tbh
brittle merlin
just use an autoclicker doge
hollow saffron
just disconnect your mouse while the left click button is down
brittle merlin
wdym you tried?
civic pond
i dunno
hollow saffron
hollow saffron
^ye
queen delta
Goldplume spear spawns a DG that attacks enemies every swing
hollow saffron
dungeon guardian?
zealous ridge
queen delta
dungeon guardian.
hollow saffron
i dont think that would really fit with the theme tbh
hollow saffron
i feel like it could be made so every time it attacks an enemy it summons feathers from the sky
*feathers that pass through blocks, mind you
karmic stone
Sweet Dreams Doge 🛌
gusty geode
Came in late but
Regarding the happy phantom spirit nerf
Isn't it balanced out by being a lot rarer than the other emotions
hollow saffron
cya
karmic stone
Did i do it, did i snipe you
hollow saffron
@gusty geode polter fight
besides that the fact that it is the only spirit with a unique attack that differentiates it from the dungeon spirit is kinda disconcerting
like some on we dont need more unoriginal resprited rehashed versions of vanilla enemies(plague enemies im looking at you)
sleek glacier
but look at the spirits:
- Sad Spirit: 80 damage (140EX, 161Rev), 1500hp (3000EX+)
- Angry Spirit: 90 damage (160EX, 184Rev) 2100hp (4200EX+)
- Happy Spirit: 100 (200EX, 230Rev) (contact), 120 (240EX, 276Rev) (bullet), 9000hp (18,000EX+)
That REALLY doesn't seem balanced to me
hollow saffron
^
hollow saffron
maybe make the sad spirit inflict temporal sadness
sleek glacier
_> or make the Happy Spirit more managable?
hollow saffron
yes do that too
acoustic ferry
sad spirit dies as soon as it spawns it already has temporal sadness 
hollow saffron
lol
angry ones could summon the polter mines
and throw them at the player
oh wait this isnt an open space
nvm
sleek glacier
_> what the hell dude? You're basically saying "make the lesser ones nastier"
hollow saffron
yeah and maybe nerf the happy one
the lesser ones are just resprited dungeon spirits
sleek glacier
they can already make your day suck in the chaos that is the dungeon, they don't need to be stronger
hollow saffron
nERF THE HAPPY ONE AND MAKE THE REST A BIT MORE OF A THREAT
acoustic ferry
like bring them more in line with each other
make them generally more dangerous but not have 9000 frickin hp
hollow saffron
Or at the very least give them UNIQUE attacks
Im not gonna suggest this myself because of chaining so chaos you have the best chance of suggesting it right now
sleek glacier
or just not burn off over half your HP in a single shot
hollow saffron
BRUH i JUST said to nerf the happy one and give the others unique attacks, are you reading
That or the happy one could not inflict marked
sleek glacier
I don't play on Deathmode, only Expert
hollow saffron
I play on revengeance
hollow saffron
i manage quite well because the elemental disk is wonderful against groups
sleek glacier
I use swords for the most part
hollow saffron
e
sleek glacier
?
hollow saffron
basically "ok"
quick ice
Phantom Spirits are post-ML enemies, I'd say they're fine
hollow saffron
they need more uniqueness imo
quick ice
so do a lot of enemies in this mod
quick ice
those aren't meant to be unique, and at least plague Derpling exists
hollow saffron
sounds original
queen sail
That would mean adding more songs to the music mod tho
For one tiny reason
:echthink:
formal cobalt
not a lot. There are only 2 (3 if you count Fly of Beelzebub) songs with lyrics in them
hollow saffron
well thats a super tiny reason