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#suggestions-discussion
civic pond
lost agate
And its an OOA sentry
civic pond
that explains why I never knew about it
lost agate
yeah thats part of the reasoning in my sugg
ashen warren
iirc the weapon doesnt even apply the debuff on its own
you have to be using a specific armor and oiled is its set bonus
lost agate
Wait hold on
ashen warren
so you need to use the armor to get the set bonus to use with the weapon to get the debuff to use with fire... for 2 extra damage per second
lost agate
Hoky fucking shit youre right
You need the explosive sentry AND the huntress armor
...why
ashen warren
and with that combo, you still need to actually set the enemy on fire
lost agate
ashen warren
also explosive trap is cbt to use on flying enemies
ashen warren
also there's plenty of enemies immune to various fire debuffs
opal barn
OOA event was really well thought out
ashen warren
this armor exists on the same tier as armor with "oh yeah lets just slap +8 regen on this helmet and call it a day"
lost agate
Such lost potential i swear
You either have op af gear from there
Or it flat out sucks
civic pond
OOA, featuring betsy's curse which doesn't actually exist
or multiple hivepods at once
queen sail
Gotta make a defense reducing debuff that is useless bc ichor must remain the only relevant debuff
:picardia:
sand umbra
petition to make everything not immune to Betsy's Curse
actually hol up I could do that myself 
civic pond
sand umbra
but really
can we make it so Betsy's Curse isn't completely irrelevant starting the moment you get it
void kelp
That would be v good tbh
queen sail
terse sundial
queen sail
On a legit note i’d really appreciate if ichor was balanced out w/cursed inferno and shit
civic pond
cursed shit
ashen warren
still salty that ichor has more DR cut than cursed inferno
queen sail
“Here’s another flame debuff” vs “Your enemies basically have no defense”
sand umbra
Ichor seriously needs to fucking die
and Cursed Inferno needs to get something relevant to keep up
void kelp
dot rework when tbh
sand umbra
ashen warren
i do not control the calamity
queen sail
Who says it has to be calamity
void kelp
for now
queen sail
:echprime:
ashen warren
i dont kill things in maso unless theyre stupid broken
like, holy daedalus or crystal bullets
or bombing meteorite pre-bosses
sand umbra
mfw bombs can blow up Meteorite and other bullshit at any time but not Desert Fossils, Hellstone, or any Hardmode ore even well after the point they'd be relevant
queen sail
200 IQ balancing
ashen warren
to be fair, gold pickaxe can mine meteorite but like
sand umbra
well yes but also
I can get a pickaxe that mines Hellstone long before I've entered Hardmode
even discounting my good friend Sequence Break Shark™, Hellstone can be mined by a Nightmare or Deathbringer Pickaxe
ashen warren
meteorite should still be blastproof though yes 
sand umbra
which are post-EoW and post-BoC respectively; nowhere near locked to Hardmode 
lost agate
The only problem with making DoTs stronger is other mod balance
Which is a very big issue
ashen warren
caring about other mod balance
clam
lost agate
I mean
We have our balance, but we dont make other mods weapons be hyper buffed
The moment the balance goes out of ours/vanilla shit finna go wild
But well what do i know
I would at least make our DoTs more relevant
civic pond
yes please
versed mica
does this fall under specific boss suggestions
hollow idol
yes
zenith hazel
no boss suggestions please @gilded pike
read the suggestion don’ts doc in the pins next time
proven tide
@gilded pike outside of suggestion legality, there are already quite a lot of bird bosses in modded terraria — thorium's grand thunder bird and shadow of abaddon's harpy queen (yes, one exists already) being two notable examples — so even if a sky boss was added it would be much better for it to be a non-bird of some form (extrapolating from the wyvern would be fun but worm boss memes)
but, yannow, no boss suggs
hollow shell
Welp he left
versed mica
why though
lost agate
We shall never know
sand umbra
what's with all the boss suggs as of late, one wonders
and why must I keep missing out on seeing all of them
proven tide
it's because of the resurgence of stygian weaver
placid moth
@lyric citrus Tbf, the Mechworm does a lot of damage, I think that makes up for its inconsistency
What is this Stygian Weaver everyone's been talking about
civic pond
Well..
proven tide
bitter topaz
@rugged mist keep the memes in here to a minimium
proven tide
@lyric citrus instead of suggesting not only removing mechworm, an iconic item (that has, by this point, probably taken too much effort to keep roughly functional to really deserve removing), but also coding an entirely new summon, howsabout you suggest an increase to the mech's accel and max speed?
rugged mist
k
hollow shell
@elder mist ... 👀
lost agate
civic pond
ashen warren
idea
mechworm is not only faster, but leads the target
so it chases npc.Center + npc.velocity * 20 or something
hollow shell
That might work
ashen warren
that means instead of the head only trying to keep up with yharon (and lagging behind whenever he dashes), it tries to fly in front of him so it keeps better pace
hollow shell
It'd require a bit of reprogramming
more than just editing one line, I think
at least 5 lines
ashen warren
proven tide
do i get to suggest this before it's implemented to receive credit 
hollow shell
I don't even know if I should be pissed at Ein for adding taxevasion to Stygian Weaver
placid moth
It's an amazing name ngl
proven tide
well, there were six taxevasions earlier, rather than the remaining one
hollow shell
I removed the rest of em
civic pond
its stygian weaver for fucks sake
sand umbra
stygian weaver
proven tide
doin god's work
opal barn
bruh that suggestion has more than a year why would you be pissed about that
ashen warren
i call it the fogbound
elder mist
bad
proven tide
fogbad
so, rover, as the unofficial holder of of suggdisc veto
do i get to sugg mechworm speed before you make it happen 
.
placid moth
bruh
proven tide
lyric citrus
also make it not break my game
karmic stone
The same dude that starred it also ❕'d it 
civic pond
:thinkies:
lyric citrus
weird
proven tide
when ❕ing is not a dislike but people use it as a really dude button
tbh i react with both quite a bit
lyric citrus
oh
civic pond
it doesn't do anything to react to it
rugged mist
using it at all is discouraged iirc
proven tide
It's saying that the thing needs to be checked out
the amount of ❕s a suggestion has isn't exactly an indicator of dislike (although some people misuse/abuse it as such) so much as a neat measure of perceived validity
the more people are calling for a suggestion's review, the more likely it is to be janky and problematic
so, let me get this straight:
a suggestion is made, i provide an adjustment idea, the adjusted suggestion is made, and i feel bad because i didn't make it myself
in other news a viable mechworm would be nice but i think we all know that it acceling/leading to keep on the enemies will result in it throwing itself offscreen when the enemy changes direction while its head attaches to the hitbox and expands in sprite to accommodate
nocturne crow
Nobody wants ragdoll physics in a 2D game
proven tide
*glances at hundreds of butchering games from happy wheels to murder a doll* yeees.. nobody...
sand umbra
yeah are you sure about that
ragdoll physics are fucking hilarious, for what it's worth
proven tide
so with the thousands of bugs fixed, has worm gotten any better?
haven't updated yet 
hollow shell
I think mechworm was mostly fixed a few months ago
civic pond
or the desert in general..
void kelp
@ashen warren in hardmode, sunken sea enemies — not just the giant clam— drop some useful stuff
void kelp
@jolly orbit wait, so why would such a thing be implemented?
karmic stone
Minecarts are made completely obsolete after you obtain the Burden Breaker
distant gyro
lost agate
If you do get it
queen sail
Even if you don’t get BB minecarts aren’t going to be used a lot in comparison to, say
Teleporters
sand umbra
also here's a fun fact
queen sail
They’re just quicker and more easier to set up
lost agate
Not if i make a minecart that doesnt need rail
sand umbra
while late-game Calamity mounts are fast
void kelp
isn’t that just the fabsol mount
sand umbra
the Mechanical Cart is still the single fastest thing in the game, bar the Burden Breaker
lost agate
No
lost agate
Yeah
runic heath
You can break minecart speeds without the burden breaker
The highest I remember getting was 320 but I realize I forgot even more lore to maximize that speed
Minecart is only like 112 right so checkmate
let’s ignore that it involves asphalt, being underwater, being upside down, and repeatedly damaging yourself
and assuming astrum deus lore boosts Max speed, being in space, but I haven’t tested this yet
jolly orbit
i said its not very useful but it would be a kinda cool thing
queen sail
Unfortunately suggs made bc “it’d be cool” don’t really get considered
Bc the devs focus on solutions to existing issues rather than adding more to the pile
clear basin
Minecarts are cool
hollow shell
@glossy crag Do you wanna try again with that first sentence?
hollow shell
I see.
Kind of a weird place to display those buffs/debuffs but I suppose it'd be good to have em displayed somewhere
glossy crag
Yea as long as I do t have to tab out to see what the buff debuff does or how long it lasts
Because I sure as hell ain't using steam browser
hollow saffron
@glossy crag smh wiki exists
hollow shell
Ideally the wiki shouldn't be the only way for you to learn that info
quick ice
Hey @ashen warren, it would help if you gave some ideas on how to improve the sunken sea post-moonlord
hollow shell
He doesn't need to, but it could help
zenith hazel
@toxic pagoda no chaining suggestions please
hollow shell
It's
I don't know if I'd call it chaining
hollow saffron
^
hollow shell
It's on the line
hollow saffron
the only relationship is the oiled debuff tbh
toxic pagoda
possibly
hollow saffron
also how would oil work
toxic pagoda
thats what im wondering
fervent zealot
aren't modded liquids, like
hollow saffron
each time a flame debuff touches it it explodes 
fervent zealot
nigh impossible black magic?
hollow saffron
imean terry it would be cool
toxic pagoda
as I stated I dont have a good estimate on the difficulty of programming such a thing
toxic pagoda
or oil could be from leviathan cause maybe its some sort of whale lol
hollow saffron
😳
toxic pagoda
and we wouldnt need the liquid
yea what if levi dropped oil and you could make stuff with it
hollow shell
I do recall hearing that a fourth liquid is an impossibility
toxic pagoda
ok
hollow shell
so, it'd need to be in some other form
hollow shell
Good code is why
toxic pagoda
it doesnt need to be a physical thing either
hollow saffron
'good code' so this is a redcode meme
toxic pagoda
like i said it could be a drop from like levi or duke
hollow saffron
levi works better but sulfur sea is better
lost agate
Jesus i just realized my sugg got over 100+ stars already 
toxic pagoda
or what if you only got oil for fighting leviathan in the sulphurous sea
hollow shell
Not sure what the relation is between sulphur and oil
I guess there's kind of a thematic similarity but iunno if there is actually anything there
ashen warren
alternate idea: remove the oiled affect from the explosive trap summons and instead put it on some other more relevant thing, like perhaps an early-mid hm caverns thing
toxic pagoda
idk either though I dont pump oil for a living
ashen warren
well yes, but also why does the sentry even apply oiled?
hollow shell
Explosive Trap OOA sentries
when you're wearing Huntress armor
placid moth
CV drops accessories, what
ashen warren
yeah
lost agate
Yeah what sors said
placid moth
I can't imagine going full sentry build
ashen warren
i feel like it's weirdly specific and should be definitely utilized more, but possibly as a different calamity exclusive debuff with the same effect
placid moth
Oh, I forgot about those
toxic pagoda
I think vanity would be as far as you go
sand umbra
i feel like it's weirdly specific and should be definitely utilized more, but possibly as a different calamity exclusive debuff with the same effect
let's not
hollow saffron
^
ashen warren
idk just oiled doesn't really fit thematically very well
uhh, game mechanics aren't really plagiarism
sand umbra
okay but like
we don't need more debuffs
hollow saffron
make an accessory that amplifies the effect of DoTs
lost agate
Wait why is there a need to remove oiled
hollow saffron
problem solved
toxic pagoda
but what if it was a flask
sand umbra
there isn't a need to remove oiled
cerulean maple
Moar use for vanilla pre HM broadswords.
Now if you excuse me ima head out
lost agate
I suggested to make more with oiled and now you want it gone?
ashen warren
not really it's just there aren't many items that would even work with the theme of oil to begin with imo
sand umbra
oiled needs to become relevant
lost agate
Okuu
toxic pagoda
nah dude
lost agate
I was asking for new items
toxic pagoda
oil is cool
ashen warren
i agree with the concept of a debuff that increases debuff damage for sure yes but oil is wack
lost agate
If nothing fits, we make one
ashen warren
^
lost agate
Wh
ashen warren
or vice versa, make another effect to fit weapons that don't have a debuff association
lost agate
Oku i think you mised the point
sand umbra
if nothing in existence fits with oiled, you make new stuff to fit with it
lost agate
Yes
ashen warren
ohh
lost agate
Thats what i was suggesting
toxic pagoda
suLphuriC aCid caNnoN
sand umbra
but like
what even is there that would thematically fit with Oiled
it'd be infinitely easier to just make new items
ashen warren
yeah
toxic pagoda
exactly
lost agate
An oil bomb literally would work
rugged mist
oil slime gun
sand umbra
that inflicts Oiled when thrown
rugged mist
gel is flammable
ashen warren
water gun upgrade
toxic pagoda
oil in ultra liquidator??
sand umbra
then again, now that I think of it
ashen warren
so, a new classless weapon?
sand umbra
wouldn't this also require removing a variety of existing fire debuff immunities along with making sure things are vulnerable to Oiled
toxic pagoda
Ultra Liquidator?
rugged mist
not to mention the bruh moment of enemy debuff limit, which oiled has to use up at least two of to be effective
sand umbra
enemy debuff limit is garbage
change my mind
but ye, more use for Oiled and friends would be awesome
toxic pagoda
crushed depths, plague, holy fire, shadowflame, frostburn, cursed inferno, on fire! all with oil
sinful violet
oily
queen delta
ashen warren
oil shouldn't work on crush depths
placid moth
Betsy's Curse
sand umbra
imagine not listing off the wealth of flames debuffs currently in Calamity
toxic pagoda
ok I wasnt going for every single one
acoustic ferry
so
mech boss weapon drops that oil things?
gusty geode
What if
Being afflicted with Oiled made flame debuffs bypass immunities
Kinda exactly like how the Gas Passer from TF2 makes Pyros vulnerable to Afterburn when they'd be immune under all under circumstances
hollow saffron
^
hollow shell
That'd be neat
acoustic ferry
baked onion sausage wins the discussion
civic pond
@normal thorn gonna add a reason to that sugg of yours
karmic stone
Wh
ashen warren
Bro
civic pond
ashen warren
Are you playing multiplayer
karmic stone
You mean WoF's death or?
civic pond
You should probably clarify that
and also give a reason why you want wof to disappear after you die
because some people rush back down to the underworld to finish it off if they do
normal thorn
Well im dying when it's already too late to get back
ashen warren
guys
my suggestion wasn't actually going to be that short
i accidentally posted it
lost agate
maso mode makes him fucking accelerate to 10000 mph when you die and its the best thing
karmic stone
ashen warren
Make it disappear if it's below a certain percentage
lost agate
so uh, idk if we should take that approach?
ashen warren
basically because you can't slime mount into clutch kill once WoF is at mach speeds
normal thorn
I mean, why it keeps going after you die anyways? You get one attempt to kill it
ashen warren
no you get easily 2 in every mode but death and maybe rev idk
normal thorn
I'm in death haha
hollow shell
We could add some item or other usable thing somewhere to get it to despawn
Some people like being able to go back to hell and keep fighting him after dying, so having him always despawn would piss some people off
hollow shell
If you don't then you aren't prepared 😎
ashen warren
what shucko said
Boss Rush Wall of Flesh is just pure hell if you're not ready because if you don't have Normality Relocator then you're screwed because you have to teleport through Obsidian buildings with it, or if you have Rod of Discord
lost agate
wof is so arena dependant it hurts
ashen warren
you can use crystyl crusher
sand umbra
WoF is very dependent on how you prepare the terrain to fight it
ashen warren
Crystyl won't do shit once WoF is Mach Tornado speeds
sand umbra
all possible approaches have advantages and disadvantages
lost agate
you literally just fart at one direction with it and everything just fucking dies
sand umbra
super fuck-off rockets that make super fuck-off explosions
ashen warren
Wait, hold up, does the Crystyl rclick require another mod or is it just implemented in the main one?
sand umbra
it's in the main mod
hollow shell
It's
in the main mod
lost agate
right click for big dust of destruction
ashen warren
It doesn't appear to me, even if I have the latest version of the update.
sand umbra
Right click to destroy a lot of blocks
hollow shell
Are you using the mod browser version or #mod-downloads version
ashen warren
latest means nothing, version number way better
hollow shell
because the former is outdated iirc
lost agate
nah newest is on browser
hollow shell
ok cool
sand umbra
then how df
ashen warren
I'm using the #mod-downloads one.
lost agate
well if you right click and nothing happens youre outdated
simple as that
or youre confusing crystyl with another thing
ashen warren
Nevermind I do have it.
sand umbra
this thing
hollow shell
ye
ashen warren
Holy crap. I just shredded a sky island, 2 planetoids and a sky lake apart with it.
hollow shell
ye.
sand umbra
sand umbra
Crystyl Crusher's right click can fire big fuck-off rockets that make big fuck-off explosions that destroy everything
and I really do mean everything
including SCal arena blocks and other normally-unbreakable tiles
it's the best thing
hollow shell
SCal arena blocks have CanExplode and CanKillTile set to false
but Crystyl don't care
normal thorn
oh alr thanks
hexed ore
No problem
sand umbra
the Mech order for Death auto-spawns rn is Destroyer, Twins, Prime
personally I think it should be like the pre-existing auto-spawns where it's random which Mech comes to eat you but w/e
hexed ore
It should be twins, destroyer, skeletron if anything
That's what it is on boss checklist
proven tide
nobody:
cirrus: damn that fab guy's cool i'ma come to guzzle his booze
fierce mulch
hollow saffron
@mighty hemlock bold of you to assume there is a set order that you must defeat the mechanical bosses with
and it should be random tbh
mighty hemlock
I never said you must do that it just makes the most sense when looking at the difficulty
lost agate
Or an U
hollow saffron
^
spring stirrup
supreme calamitas banner
sinful violet
Lets keep in mind that there's a time and place for those kinds of jokes.
spring stirrup
sorry
sinful violet
np
odd terrace
What other tiles are usually unbreakable?
lost agate
Like what, walls?
hollow shell
I'm not sure what other tiles are permanently unbreakable
But there are temporary indestructibles
with Navystone and Astral Ore
(and prolly more)
and Crystyl Crusher prolly busts those too
'course they're not as relevant as SCal's arena tile by the time you get Shadowspec
lost agate
pretty sure abyss gravel walls are unbreakable
zenith hazel
@untold crown that is not a suggestion
teal ibex
he posted it in like 5 channels all at once LOL
proven tide
@split narwhal you've got quite a few points towards its relative inadequacy, but do you have any suggestions as to how it could be buffed?
proven tide
@fallen jacinth it might be best to rephrase that for clarity; something like "allow adrenaline to build between boss phases"
as it is now it's a bit hard to discern the goal
fallen jacinth
yeah that's pretty much what i mean
Or like have adrenaline build up only while a certain section of a boss is alive
like profaned guardians, focus adrenaline build-up on the guardian with 200k hp and not the other two
split narwhal
It should probably be given more damage increase or simply better mobility.Another good idea is to make it buff rogue damage, since there is no other wings that buff rogue in the early game.
ashen warren
Permafrost has no relation to rogues at all
It would be better to make something else act like rogue wings and change permafrost to whatever they were before.
swapping bat wings with perma and making bat wings rogue if you will
split narwhal
Good idea
zenith hazel
wulfrum slimes aren't technically slimes iirc
proven tide
that's a ☑
distant gyro
@echo heath @zenith hazel @proven tide that's already implemented in 106 (a case of update your mod™)
proven tide
also that 
distant gyro
- Royal Gel now affects modded slimes
zenith hazel
yeah I'm aware of 106 changing that up but still, they're not really slimes if you think about it
distant gyro
yea but that also means suggestion deletion iirc
You don't suggest something that's already implemented
proven tide
@fallen jacinth still reckon it'd be best if you cut down the wording of the sugg
As it is now it reads change adren's mechanics —> keep its mechanics the same —> fix/add (wording unclear) a certain function that either exists already or doesn't exist yet and its existence/lack of existence is irritating, hence the sugg
when, as described earlier, it would likely be easier to summarise into "allow adrenaline to build between boss phases" or a similar phrase
worthy fiber
proven tide
@ashen warren all the old versions of the mod (1.3.2-) were deleted
ashen warren
oh
proven tide
<indescribable fury ensues>
ashen warren
not if I use wayback machine
zenith hazel
yeah... no
there's like no reason for the mod to suddenly take a massive downgrade for a joke and as mentioned above, the first version doesn't exist
it serves no purpose and it's probably gonna be infuriating for some people
tired haven
Actually a good reminder, since going back so much is bound to corrupt a ton of data
Unless the version is specifically changed to not, and at this point it's even more effort for nothing
zenith hazel
it also teaches us that mediocre suggestions are never gonna go away but who am I to say
ashen warren
Make it so it backs up your game files but only for 29.99
tired haven
ashen warren
E.A is going to buy calamity mod
zenith hazel
anyway the suggestion is deleted anyway, no need to meme over it
ashen warren
Yeah, your right.
lost agate
For the wulfrum armor sugg
Something something, wulfrum is the wood equivalent of wood armors so it doesnt get fancy effects
Also fun fact
You CAN build stealth with wulfrum armor, it just doesnt give you any max stealth
You can see that if you equip something like ||eclipse mirror|| with it
tired haven
Mmm there is ||silencing shealth|| if we wanna make it practical
In fact, this sounds as extremely neat synergy
lost agate
This sinergy works with ||multiclass armors|| actually, since they boost rogue i technically considered them rogue armor too
||Yes, that means demonshade with stealth||
left sparrow
It's still rogue armor, which means that it should have a rogue set bonus.
lost agate
Again, you dont see fancy class specific boosts on a wood armor do you?
left sparrow
Because it doesn't boost any stats already, that just gives defense. Wulfrum has helmets for each class that give stats
lost agate
And like, that would be some early af stealth
lost agate
With my luck no i dont
left sparrow
maybe you don't, ||but you can kill cnidrions for a while to get the axe, which has a stealth bonus||
lost agate
||What axe||
left sparrow
||Oh right, I missed that part.||
yep, wow I missed that
||But the consumable axes still have a bonus||
tired haven
At the point you get crystalline (which doesn't even have stealth strike in current update) you would probably have victide already
But yeah, iron/lead "axes" and throwing bricks do have a stealth strike
lost agate
Hmm, thats true
radiant pawn
at the point you get stealth tho, throwing brils and axes become outclassed
you wont need infinite piercing or pre hm sea dumbell
tired haven
They work extremely well, in fact
Though stealth strike is a bit excessive here
If the axes didn't initially pierce then I could see the utility, but overall more than 2 pierce is placebo
sand umbra
I'm pretty sure some sort of enrage indicator is a commonly requested feature.
That's not me saying I disagree with it, that's just me saying it's commonly requested. I wholeheartedly support this kinda thing and would love if it happened.
acoustic ferry
maybe some kind of red tint to go along with it too if the effect isnt immediately obvious, like in the case of storm weaver
quick ice
here's a list of indicators
- Tint screen slightly red
- Roar Sound
- Message in the bottom left
those would all work to make someone aware that the boss is enraged
clear basin
The enrage suggestion reminds me of the “Yharon random execution bug”
radiant pawn
Enraged would only work with PBG or Yharon
Cryogen only enrages outside of the snow biome
But you have an idea that he is supposed to be fought on the snow biome
same as queen bee or Plantera
except plantera is kind of understandable because wall memes
queen sail
Text indicator most likely
acoustic ferry
works with PBG
most likely yes
hollow shell
@supple lodge Add a reason to your suggestion
radiant pawn
why would you turn on expert mode inside the world when minutes before making the world the game asks you what difficulty do you want in your world
not seconds
MINUTES
void kelp
I guess in the case of “I pussied out of making an expert mode world but now I want the expert mode benefits”
radiant pawn
you are on normal mode, you are fighting ML and you say "damn he is hard"
but then you say "oh wait i can beat EoW and get worm scarf on expert" toggles expert mode ingame
hollow shell
Sure
radiant pawn
whenever the situation you are going to go back at that certain boss, get his expert item, and use it at the stage you are in
but like 90% of the people here dislike linearty so what gives
hollow shell
There was a pretty big convo about something like this (pretty sure in this channel)
and I suggested a few ways Rev-only items could be locked to only be usable while in Rev
but
none of em really got through to people
radiant pawn
you mean like, if you get those rev+ items
you can only use them in rev+?
or what did you mean
hollow shell
Yeah pretty much, that was one option
Because currently it's actually very easy to use Rev items in Expert
radiant pawn
Doesnt sound so bad tbh, how didnt it get through people's head?
queen sail
Btw if you cheese the final boss by memeing an earlier boss and getting his absolutely broken accessory you deserve to have your feet privileges revoked
radiant pawn
give me your foot
Sors, why did your suggestions not go through to people?
what were they thinking/saying?
acoustic ferry
google images of cheese
hollow shell
Lemme look back
On locking Expert items to be usable in Expert only, CrabBar said it would cause massive backlash for not being consistent with vanilla
and he said that it'd be weird that an item wouldn't be usable because it's not the right mode, and cites the way Demon Heart currently works as being really distracting
radiant pawn
imo leaving mode exclusive items to their respective modes gives a refreshing feeling
normal mode: you play with 1.2.4.1 items and with some new ones
expert mode: a difficulty spike that rewards you with exclusive items that will help you a lot or nah
Same as rev in this case
rev exclusive items spices it up with exclusive weapons and items. (example frost flare that helps you for a bit in early hm, and etc.)
if that "exclusive" feeling goes out, we might just use vehemence on normal mode bosses and gg i beat game
hollow shell
(RIVs arent rev-only)
cobalt rose
i mean, it would be nice to have more revengeance drops.
rewards you for the extra challenge.
radiant pawn
oh sorry i thought RIVs were rev only
hollow shell
We could maybe use more Rev-only items
Expert has one for every boss, ours is a bit less consistent
cobalt rose
yea
queen sail
I was gonna suggest bosses dropping more rev exclusive items but i somehow felt like i was gonna be smited
radiant pawn
weapons like ||elemental excalibur|| could be rev exclusive, for your hard work on SCal you get rewarded with a nice and stronge weapon
queen sail
Why tho
radiant pawn
and i say "could" because idk
tired haven
mechanical cart pieces are pretty cheap way to achieve that, heh
Well, I'm all in for more rev items if the rev drops from expert bags would be addressed first
radiant pawn
i really dont know another example
queen sail
Exo weapons used to be expert exclusive because yharon soul frags were expert drops
radiant pawn
i heard about that
hollow shell
which ended up making endgame Normal harder than Expert
cobalt rose
of course it was changed cuz that was kinda unfair
lost agate
Arent we already planning on more rev/expert drops?
ashen warren
@lyric citrus Thats easy. Just make it so it easily kills the hive mind/pref
queen sail
Aureus doesn’t have an expert drop yet, right
cobalt rose
i mean mrrp implied that bosses like provi and aureus ARE going to get expert drops
lost agate
Mhm
cobalt rose
because i suggested that happening and mrrp was like "alreadly gonna be implemented lole"
lyric citrus
@ashen warren the place where i camp is not corrupted
lyric citrus
small amount of crimson in the corner
ashen warren
Oh.
lyric citrus
it comes back
hollow shell
Dig it out
ashen warren
Its super easy
radiant pawn
clentaminate next update
hollow shell
prevent it from getting reinfected
ashen warren
put some wood in a little patch of dirt
lyric citrus
next update
lyric citrus
yeah ik
radiant pawn
also i was thinking about this for a while but
Why is Deus in the middle of the Celestial Pillars?
lyric citrus
what
radiant pawn
he fills really cluttered and forced to be there
queen sail
Post plant boss bloat
hollow shell
It is a bit of an awkward spot, yeah
Post-LC only becomes a tier if you die to Moon Lord
lyric citrus
oh yeah
radiant pawn
I think Deus should be right before LC
queen sail
Also two astral bosses back to back
lyric citrus
just make astrum deus PML
radiant pawn
that way you get enough weapons to handle the pillars and ML itself
lyric citrus
something between ml and providence
hollow shell
I would personally like more to have the Celestial Pillars not spawn immediately upon killing LC
And you get some item from him that spawns em
or similar
radiant pawn
Deus becomes pointless post ml
you instantaneously get luminite tier armor and weapons
lyric citrus
other than to make stardust farming feasible
cobalt rose
im pretty sure fab said something about dues being post-LC because there isnt much content there
lyric citrus
not much content
queen sail
No he said post lc
proven tide
@ashen warren Boss suggestions are expressly disallowed, sorry
lyric citrus
it’s supposed to be just celestial pillars then ML
ashen warren
Okay
proven tide
dog clone dog clone
queen sail
Celestial Pillars are pretty boring ngl
cobalt rose
old rev+ dog
lyric citrus
i haven’t tried new deus
ashen warren
its just going to be a dog with a worm halloween costume
cobalt rose
hey, lets keep the memeing to a minimum
radiant pawn
Deus > get astral loot and bars > astral armor (maybe) and weapons > Lunatic Cultist > Pillars > Moon Lord
imo it's better this way
sand umbra
I can make LC drop an item that summons pillars, probably
lyric citrus
@cobalt rose why
hollow shell
Alternatively
zoop LC to the beginning of that list
sand umbra
that way post-LC can have a bit more to do
cobalt rose
because this isnt a channel to meme in
lyric citrus
so what
hollow shell
We try to have serious productive discussion here
radiant pawn
^
cobalt rose
correct
radiant pawn
or also after killing LC, he can leave some kind of soul hanging there
hollow shell
m
lyric citrus
that’d be strange
hollow shell
That sounds neat but it'd probably result in a lot of accidental kills
or confusion
radiant pawn
mmm yea you're right
cobalt rose
like the cultists themselves 
queen sail
Post LC is a weird spot in general because it’s not intended to be a spot
cobalt rose
^
radiant pawn
you might use Dungeon Arena for Deus and accidentally kill that "soul"
lyric citrus
the purpose of post LC is stardust dragon
queen sail
You’re just meant to do one of the most boring events in the game before ech lord
clear basin
Yknow what could be a neat idea
hollow shell
@ashen warren ?
https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Cosmic_Plushie
clear basin
Calamity seasonal variants
proven tide
@ashen warren dog already drops a pet
ashen warren
OH WAIT WHAT
proven tide
hollow shell
ik you mean a worm but that's still a DoG-drop pet
ashen warren
bitch that ain't a dog
lyric citrus
but
hollow shell
chibi dog
ashen warren
but, I'm just gonna go farm it a bit
queen sail
What is with you and dog tbh
void kelp
that’s an anime girl dog
radiant pawn
chibi anime dog
radiant pawn
better
hollow shell
Yes.
ashen warren
SHIT RUN
queen sail
lyric citrus
the pet is hardmode and deathmode
ashen warren
QUICK TRASH IT
void kelp
Lmao
lyric citrus
so it basically may as well not exist
hollow shell
ok stop now
clear basin
Did you guys read my idea or did it get insta buried
ashen warren
got buried
hollow shell
buried
ashen warren
can't find it
clear basin
Take 2
hollow shell
Seasonal?
clear basin
Yeah that
radiant pawn
how would that work exactly
hollow shell
ehh sounds annoying
clear basin
To code maybe
hollow shell
locked out of content for 11 months
ashen warren
wait wait wait wait hold on
radiant pawn
season 5 tier 100 terraria skin
lyric citrus
uh i hate seasonal things
ashen warren
"When the player and Chibii Devourer are in very dark areas, Chibii Devourer may meow, scream, or stab the player for 500 damage. If it stabs the player, it will additionally spawn a real Cosmic Guardian enemy identical to the one spawned by The Devourer of Gods. If the player character has the name "Terry" then Chibii Devourer will instead spawn the Devourer of Gods' final form when it stabs the player. "
lyric citrus
pumpkins are really annoying
hollow shell
Code wouldn't be an issue at all because Solstice Claymore already detects the season
acoustic ferry
then putting something there that isn't boring is pretty good
and astrum deus is at the very least not boring
unless you're trying to spawn him in which case waiting for 3 atlases is insanely boring
ashen warren
hmmmmmmmmm
clear basin
It wouldn’t be anything useful it would just be like wulfram drones now wear santa hats
ashen warren
It will spawn the DoG's final form
hollow shell
Aight maybe
hollow shell
Luxy plz this is not caltalk
cobalt rose
^
ashen warren
Alright
acoustic ferry
punching bag piggies
lost agate
well calam talk has quite the reputation dont it?
radiant pawn
Christmas season in Calamity be like
Rare chance of Frost Moon activating
i had to release my meme side for a bit thank yall
hollow shell
ok
radiant pawn
where were we?
queen sail
Was thinking of sugging rev drops for bosses but that’s already planned
void kelp
it felt like that was in progress since KS has a rev drop
cobalt rose
KS has had a rev drop for a while now
hollow shell
Nah Crown Jewel hasn't existed for that long
Its been around a while but I remember it getting added
hollow shell
It was added in early 2018, lol
lost agate
Wh
hollow shell
Could be confusing it with Counter Scarf?
radiant pawn
i thought crown jewel was added way before 2018
lost agate
Or wait
hollow shell
Also, Hive Mind / EoW and Perforators / BoC had Rev drops planned back when Crown Jewel was developed
but they never got added
queen sail
🧠
lost agate
Nvm me my brain forgot how time works
hollow shell
I see
lost agate
So yeah a bit over a year since jewel got added
ashen warren
I really wonder if I put in this suggestion without being bombarded with 'this is a meme suggestion'
lost agate
radiant pawn
ashen warren
you two want me to post it don't oyu
radiant pawn
we will be watching
rugged mist
bruh
void kelp
that’s a meme suggestion that you know you probs shouldn’t have
radiant pawn
ok you want to get banned dont you
lost agate
sigh
void kelp
queen sail
Alrighty i’m done
proven tide
@ashen warren is that a fucking boss sugg
queen sail
proven tide
you're so doomed 
void kelp
yeah
lost agate
Yes terry
radiant pawn
its two of the horsemen of apocalypse in one fucking sentence
radiant pawn
pestilence: boss sug
proven tide
^
radiant pawn
famine: meme sug
ashen warren
@ashen warren
- dont meme sugma something you know wont be added but do anyways "for fun"
- no boss sugmas
proven tide
i've been trying to help more than meme lately but
ashen warren
Alright
proven tide
😔
ashen warren
Atleast you can hold back your meming Dea
sand umbra
so what are the other two horsemen, Lura--
proven tide
rugged mist
war is item suggestion
rugged mist
death is calamity god
rugged mist
ashen warren
not a boss suggestion
radiant pawn
war would be specific item/boss attacks, and conquest/death would be stats, Thomas
sand umbra
sounds about right
radiant pawn
or now that i think about it luxy just posted the 4 horsemen
sand umbra
anywho I'm gonna go humor the idea of expanding post-LC a little bit maybe
radiant pawn
boss sug
stats
specific attacks
and meme sugma
rugged mist
void kelp
@ashen warren that’s a specific item suggestion.
ashen warren
Didn't say I wouldn't post that
radiant pawn
luxy just stop
rugged mist
this cannot be a real event which is transpiring
void kelp
luxy I know you probably think you’re funny but you’re just working your way to a really quick mute
frail mantle
luxy, i'd advise you to post your suggestions here first for feedback before posting it in #suggestions-voting
ashen warren
Alrighty
sand umbra
@ deviantt
void kelp
it’s the suggestion discussion tab
void kelp
see, different servers function in different ways
radiant pawn
terry just flexing like a deity here
rugged mist
jesus christ what is the suggestions channel today
proven tide
it's not the suggestions tab
Yeah, but three pins across the suggestions and suggestions_discussion chat tell you to post it in here ahead of time for review
void kelp
@quartz hare that needs a why
ashen warren
i can but i chose to let you do it
radiant pawn
buff earths true melee damage but nerf meteors
ashen warren
Oh okay good.
radiant pawn
nerf burning sky
quartz hare
what
radiant pawn
i want to commit mass ban
proven tide
the last hour has been a constant 
void kelp
why make those proposed changes?
ashen warren
nerf the fucking sky
anyway, you should draft your suggestions in here first for discussion and feedback before going to #suggestions-voting proper
rugged mist
The last hour has jsut been 
sand umbra
buff burning sky
why
buff earth true meme but nerf meteors
again, why
proven tide
role-lock #suggestions-voting when
void kelp
rn it’s a super weak suggestion bc it’s unsupported and is a small phrase that means nothing
quartz hare
ok
radiant pawn
first off short suggestion with no context
Give context to your suggestions with reasons of why buffing or nerfing @quartz hare
rugged mist
left sparrow
Yes, buff them 1000%
ashen warren
fuck it time to learn how to make tmodlaoder mods
left sparrow
No reason though
ashen warren
Seeyas in 2 years
Where crabbars channel will reach atleast 100k
Where the calamity mod will have yharim
radiant pawn
we went from a civilized talk about expert and rev+ exclusive items and how can they work and fuck up progression
to luxy being a 5head and memeing like if it was funny
left sparrow
Yes
ashen warren
Who said I'm meming?
radiant pawn
your entire attitude
left sparrow
ashen warren
Hmm. back to #halflife1explosionsoundsbansounds
bitter topaz
turn your brains on please.
left sparrow
What brain
shell lynx
Are there any pre hard mode sentries other than the OOA ones?
frail mantle
no
shell lynx
I feel like maybe that’d be kinda cool to have
bitter topaz
anyway
@quartz hare give proper reasoning, DPS test results etc. when suggesting weapon buffs/nerfs, saying something is bad isn't valid reasoning. until then i'm deleting both those suggestions
@shell lynx pre-hm sentries are already planned if i'm not mistaken
quartz hare
can i say this: Buff True Tyrant's Ultisword a bit (its dps 20% weaker than True Ark of Ancients and its post Providence, but Ark is post ML)
left sparrow
...but is it
bitter topaz
no.
because that isn't giving testing results etc.
that's just saying "bad lole"
you either uphold your testing to the standards of the tester team and then present those results in a concise, orderly fashion, or you don't ask for nerfs/buffs
quartz hare
oh yes
left sparrow
Oh yeah, make sure you have correct names and all that
quartz hare
lole
loud steeple
@ashen warren there is like multiple things wrong with your "suggestion"
clear basin
You can still edit or delete
loud steeple
And you could allways edit it into a better one @ashen warren
ashen warren
already have
loud steeple
If that's the better one,what the fuck was the old one?
clear basin
It wasn’t edited
loud steeple
Can a admin please fucking delete luxy's suggestion,it break many rules and it's annoying Me a bit
lost agate
queen sail
You don’t have to be that aggressive about it
hollow shell
I have dolort
nocturne crow
A ward against the perforator/hive mind Cyst? Why not make a place-able object that wards off certain mobs? Notably a Cyst Ward or something? I will admit, when farming early HM or late Pre-HM, the cyst does get very annoying when it reduces some of the other spawns.
queen sail
Already suggested today
nocturne crow
I literally just read that
queen sail
Oh wait
nocturne crow
That's why I'm adding to it here
nocturne crow
Not to mention the Minion's don't exactly target the Cyst either.
It gets frustrating when farming in the Corruption/Crimson as a summoner, and having to either despawn the Cyst or just try to kill the boss. It does take away from the farm quite a bit
lusty stratus
So I heard about the Astrophage, why not replace it with the Calamity Vanities one? I know it's an unofficial mod, but it seems it would save some work for you all.
distant gyro
I think it also fits more for calam to remove that giant gem on top of vanity's astrophage
lusty stratus
I mean talk to the owner, see if you could use his stuff? I'm sure he'd be fine with warning
distant gyro
ye but astrophage's already in the game anyway so why should it matter
lusty stratus
From what I've heard it seems pointless to do what's been done
distant gyro
Vanity's Astrophage is based on Astrum Aureus
Main Mod's Astrophage is a fishing catch
lusty stratus
Yeah, so? You can "cross" the 2 together.
distant gyro
Vanity is more flashy and menacing because it's from a giant ass cyborg of doom
distant gyro
In brief
- The work is already done and there's no need to change
- Despite sharing the same properties, they should be visually different because they're conceptually different
lost agate
Thats saving no work whatsoever
lusty stratus
I guess that's fair enough
karmic stone
Make the Hampick's hammer tool only work with right click
The Hampick is probably the most annoying tool to use, and it's actually a shame since the only decently fast hammer you have at that point besides that is the Pwnhammer, and between these there's a decently sized leap in hammer speed, but the erratic aim between tile/wall makes it almost useless when trying to specifically hammer
queen delta
i like
void kelp
yes
karmic stone
Noice
ashen warren
Ima star that
Mainly because I had the same suggestion and it didn't pass so godspeed
karmic stone
runic heath
Real hamdrax hours
sand umbra
not to be confused with a hamdrill
runic heath
Yes
tired haven
Don't do drax, kids
ashen warren
sand umbra
stack 'em with battle potions and water candles
e
the change to Zerg and Chaos Candle was literally done to kill Zerg especially as the mass murderer of most potentially creative solutions to infuriating grinding
elder mist
yeah it was a dumb change but oh well
it was fun getting 70-160 mobs onscreen
just gotta go grab some random qol mod that has a near-zerg spawn boost, I know there's one that exists
civic pond
cheat sheet time
elder mist
no i mean an actual qol mod that has a potion that's basically old zerg
civic pond
i mean did zerg really effect gameplay that much
or was it just that it overshadowed every other method
elder mist
it helped for farming regular items yes
civic pond
oh well
elder mist
not regular items, items from regular mobs*
elder mist
but that just changes the % chances rather than actually getting the satisfaction of mass murdering mobs
civic pond
i mean with all the exuberant crafting trees I didn't mind
civic pond
el bruhyo
elder mist
hold up I know I have the mod installed somewhere
sand umbra
and then there's the Hardmode upgrade, Chaos Potions, which are even more absurd 
civic pond
And there we have it
elder mist
