suggestions-discussion

[sand umbra]

and that if you factor out the crystal, which realistically won't hit a whole lot anyway, Hallowed armor is actually about the same if not very slightly better

especially since it has more class-specific bonuses

it's not a huge difference, not by a long shot, but it's there

[lost agate]

What i dont like about turtle is like

[foggy grove]

I mean, hallowed armor can be made with 1 mech boss
Chlorophyte needs all 3

[tired haven]

Then again, the whole cobalt-mythril-adamantite-hallowed tree is just stats+

[lost agate]

Ok you return 1/3 of the dmg taken to the enemy

But how is that useful when bosses hit for like 1/100000 of their total hp

[sand umbra]

turtle armor buff moments?

[tired haven]

Thorns-esque effects always seem to be balanced poorly

[hoary hinge]

typically I go Wulfram, one of the vanilla metal armor sets, Crimson, Statigel, one of the vanilla harmdode sets, Hallowed, Astral, Luminite, Silva, Godslayer, Auric Tesla
i typically skip out all other armors because i'm lazy

[foggy grove]

Ah yes the good ol days when you had to craft cobalt, mythril, and adamantite to craft together into the best set

[tired haven]

Especially since most games aim for enemies to have far more hp than player

[hollow shell]

(The good ole days of a different console?)

[foggy grove]

I meant PC 1.1.2

[lost agate]

Yeah

[foggy grove]

But yea I guess

[hollow shell]

That was a thing??

[sand umbra]

thorns-esque effects generally seem to be balanced heavily in the enemy's favor

[lost agate]

Yeah sors

[foggy grove]

Im an OG terraria player

[lost agate]

All 3 hm ore armors for hallowed

[foggy grove]

So yes

[hollow shell]

I wasn't around then, I wouldn't know

That's pretty silly

[tired haven]

It also was around 90 bars per set iirc

(auric tesla is silly jaja)

[foggy grove]

The hardmode ores and hallowed set actually took time to make and was worth doing

[lost agate]

And if you were on console, hallowed armor and all 3 ore armors again for another armor set

Which is kinda stupid

[hollow shell]

I mean I guess Hallowed was the ultimate final armor of its day

[tired haven]

It was

[sand umbra]

daily reminder that the Turtle armor thorns effect is literally the Thorns Potion set bonus

[foggy grove]

Then 1.2 happened and the entire tree dissapeared and now its essentially useless

[tired haven]

I still believe hallowed is underrated, because it's the easiest set to get without excessive farming

[sand umbra]

and that neither one deals appreciable damage from getting hit because nothing deals enough damage outside of Expert+ bosses for 1/3 to be powerful in the first place

h

[hoary hinge]

Thomas it's acutally twice the thorns potion

thorns reflects half damage turtle reflects full damage

[sand umbra]

no

thorns potion deals 1/3 damage

although I was wrong, turtle armor deals full damage

[hoary hinge]

but yeah turtle does do reasonable damage but its not worth ever getting hit to use it

[sand umbra]

...except that damage still isn't enough for it to be relevant because by the time you get turtle armor bosses hit for a minute fraction of their total health

[hoary hinge]

cos well obv

[sand umbra]

[tired haven]

Which is pretty laughablr anyway
Player hp is 500, and plantera's hp is 30k+

[hollow shell]

mhm

[tired haven]

Nice 1 to 60 ratio

[hollow shell]

Calamity has some thorns which are like 5x or 10x the damage inflicted on the player

which is better

[hoary hinge]

just run 60 people into him

[ashen warren]

literally die to plantera to deal 500 damage

worth it

[tired haven]

Pretty sure shadowspec has 100x

[hollow shell]

m

[tired haven]

demonshade, sorry

[sand umbra]

demonshade is right after a boss with effectively 40mil health

player HP around that point is somewhere around 700-800

[tired haven]

Yeah, it's just about as heh

[sand umbra]

so that's around 70k-80k damage to BR-tier opponents from taking full damage, discounting revives

[lost agate]

1k with potions

[sand umbra]

[lost agate]

tbf it slaps if you use god mode

[sand umbra]

[tired haven]

With that you become the smelter

[radiant pawn]

using grav potion or grav globe with ml lore is ok but not ok

now

grav globe imo is ok, because AS AN ACCESORY it lets you swap gravity when you are standing on a platform

[sand umbra]

and as a potion effect that doesn't take an acc slot and isn't Expert-mode exclusive, along with being able to be obtained before any boss

you can do all that and more

[radiant pawn]

grav potion as a 2 minute buff giving you the ability to swap gravity no matter if you are on a block or not is also ok

[hollow shell]

@mossy shale Why does Burden Breaker need to be nerfed

Do you know how it's obtained now?

[radiant pawn]

but wait now that i remember many people use alchnpc and luiafk so they can have an infinite supply of grav potions nvm

that burden breaker nerf suggestion hurts my feelings

an item thats already painful enough to get needs to be nerfed

[sand umbra]

mfw I'm not even referring to shit like AlchNPC and Infinity with my sugg
although factoring them in amplifies the issue tenfold

[tired haven]

With the same example I can prove why draconic elixir is a bad idea, or yharim stims, or any powerful potion really

[radiant pawn]

and its impossible to use it against bosses so how

[ashen warren]

ITT mechanical cart is literally worthless

[tired haven]

Suspicious tentacle is the actual expert drop of ML despite not being rainbow

[radiant pawn]

the importance in your sentence crab is the following

[lost agate]

make burden breaker a minecart

[mossy shale]

Yeah but mechanical cart is literally worthless anyways

[radiant pawn]

''why draconic elixir is a bad idea''

[lost agate]

I chuckled a bit

[hollow shell]

You need to kill Dungeon Guardian or daytime-enraged Rev+ Skeletron Prime
in order to obtain Burden Breaker

it's fine with its current functionality

[radiant pawn]

draconic is just there almost no one uses it almost

[sand umbra]

a Dungeon Guardian in Hardmode, specifically

[radiant pawn]

^

[tired haven]

I won't even talk bout BB suggestion because it is just uh, no

[lost agate]

I still want burden to drop from drae remote tbh

[tired haven]

Same ngl

[radiant pawn]

just use skybridge builder, clap on burden breaker

[mossy shale]

You guys dont understand my minecart woes

[radiant pawn]

boom you have yourself minecart

[hollow shell]

I mean technically it does drop from Drae Remote
if you let it turn to day

[lost agate]

Well you aint lying

Lmao

[sand umbra]

I still want burden to drop from drae remote tbh

[hollow shell]

also make a suggetion to add a minecart

[sand umbra]

[hollow shell]

instead of doing it at the expense of BB

[void kelp]

would be more accessible and enjoyable tbh

[sand umbra]

I made a sugg on this a couple months back smh

[void kelp]

wait rover wouldn’t that be a specific item sugg

[radiant pawn]

make a suggestion to make draedon remote interesting tbhh

[sand umbra]

that was part of my sugg

[lost agate]

Yeah its a win win tbh

[radiant pawn]

[hollow shell]

I mean like a "Add a minecart" suggestion

[queen sail]

Weren’t we talking about how Draedon’s Remote exists “for challenge” last time we argued about it

[hollow shell]

I think it'll get bluechecked but that still will signify the want for it

[radiant pawn]

just add a minecart

thats the suggestion

[tired haven]

Make a burden breaker minecart for the drae remote drop obv

[sand umbra]

[radiant pawn]

[queen sail]

Also minecart

[lost agate]

And who said challenges cant be rewarded

[queen sail]

Minecarts are only significant in early prehm

[mossy shale]

Burden Breaker Mk. II as a minecart

[radiant pawn]

mk II means beta version

such as the cool weapons that have mk II at the end

[hollow shell]

It doesn't, afaik?

[radiant pawn]

in some shooters

[sand umbra]

I honestly like to think of it similarly to non-linearity mechanics or optional bosses
you don't have to do it, but if you do do it, you get rewarded for it

also Mk. II means improved

[radiant pawn]

sors im joking btw dont take it seriously

[hollow shell]

... okay?

[queen sail]

Sure

[hollow shell]

Anyway yeah
Burden Breaker doesn't need to be nerfed

If you want minecarts, make a suggestion telling Calamity to add a minecart or two

[lost agate]

I mean yes, drae remote exists for the challenge atm, doesnt mean it cant change

[sand umbra]

minecarts could be utilized more as a mechanic imo

[radiant pawn]

exo minecart for example

[sand umbra]

not extensively like other shit but like

just some extra stuff to make it not just mount that requires rail

[radiant pawn]

im dead serious exo minecart could be an interesting concept

[hollow shell]

SPecifically a BBMK2 that is a hyperfast minecart would be a specific item suggestion
so
don't suggest that specifically.

[sand umbra]

(especially given later-game mounts can outspeed minecarts that aren't the Expert-exclusive Mechanical Cart)

[lost agate]

Imagine a minecart that didnt need rails

[hollow shell]

How would that even work

[mossy shale]

Like a mount?

[hollow shell]

That would pretty much just be a mount yeah lol

[lost agate]

If you use space or the up arrow you go up diagonally

[radiant pawn]

lowkey like profaned bike

[sand umbra]

a very unique one at that, though

[queen sail]

A lot of things relogic made could be expanded on to be something more if they stopped focusing on quantity over quality

[lost agate]

If you use the down arrow... Well you go down

[tired haven]

Handicapped ufo

[mossy shale]

But its fast horizontally

[lost agate]

Faster than ufo at least

[radiant pawn]

i just want vanilla throwing to be a thing

[hollow shell]

That would be some pretty cool movement.

[radiant pawn]

but its impossible

[mossy shale]

Now THATS a burden breaker mk 2

[ashen warren]

so, fabsol mount?

[hollow shell]

BB that you can steer

[radiant pawn]

shucks shouldnt it be faster than brimrose or fabsol mount?

because ufo is dead slow compared to other mounts

[lost agate]

I mean depends

[sand umbra]

the treatment of vanilla throwing is a crime and that's all I can say on that

back to mount meme

[lost agate]

I never said when you get it

[mossy shale]

Like why are boomerangs melee

[hollow shell]

If this is a minecart thing then it'd have a fuckload of momentum, and be very hard to turn around

[lost agate]

Also fabsol mount flies for a bit

[radiant pawn]

guess ur right

[lost agate]

Its a different thing

[queen sail]

UFO gets free movement at a decent speed in comparison to shrimy truffle so it passes

[lost agate]

You need to constantly touch ground

[radiant pawn]

a minecart that flies with ''celestial'' rails that spawn while youre moving

[lost agate]

Byeah

[radiant pawn]

w+d goes diagonally

and if you jump and press down key your rails dissapear until you release the down key

[hollow shell]

I can imagine a very cool looking but potentially very hard to code item resulting outta this

[mossy shale]

Magic Minecart mount, acts like a minecart but doesnt need rails. You can move vertically slowly but horizontally it ZOOMs

[radiant pawn]

tbh yeah

[queen sail]

“hard to code”

[lost agate]

I mean

[queen sail]

Looks at Terry

[lost agate]

I made rox

[queen sail]

[hollow shell]

<_<

[lost agate]

Nothing that more complex iirc

[radiant pawn]

and if you double tap left key or right key you can auto bump yourself to the opposite direction

[queen sail]

Use the god coder’s almighty powers

[hollow shell]

nah you shouldn't be able to do that

That'd be too OP

[radiant pawn]

the auto bump thing?

[hollow shell]

Abused for bosses.

yeah

[radiant pawn]

ah, sadly thats true

i was thinking for general uses except for bosses

wait

[lost agate]

I mean

[radiant pawn]

would it still be op if it was very late game? like yharon p2 tier?

[lost agate]

The speed could at least reset

[radiant pawn]

post yharon p2 i mean

[mossy shale]

So a downside to it would be that you cant turn around without getting off the mount

[lost agate]

Or you could put it in whenever tier but have it so turning around resets your speed

Ez

[radiant pawn]

im wondering if the auto bump thing i said counts as op even if it is post yharon p2 or even post scal

or also what shucks said

[mossy shale]

Combine BB with Mech Minecart: this mount, speed rises exponentially like BB

Damn I want to put this in #suggestions-voting but it counts as a specific item suggestion right

[hollow shell]

Yeah unfortunately

... could just suggest to add a minecart after Mechanical Minecart and don't specify much
and give a reason

[clear basin]

I like that idea a lot

Burden Breaker minecart

Beautiful

[foggy grove]

Quick opinion question: Is Astral armor considered vastly superior to Ataxia armor or around the same tier?

[night cradle]

astral is tier after the ataxia, though the ataxia is better in most cases

at least to use for one class only

since the astral is multiclass

[foggy grove]

Ok thx

Ill just group them together for this case

[odd terrace]

Burden breaker minecart + bumpy tracks

Just to make sure that I understand the Profaned Soul Artifact correctly, is it the case that you only gain the extra slot if you have fewer than 7 slots, otherwise you gain a damage boost?

Also, it’s a bit unclear by the wording on the wiki whether the extra slot is lost upon being damaged.

I think it does, but I’m not 100% sure.

[void kelp]

aye, it’s conditional

I’d honestly expand it to “remove all conditional minion slots”

[hollow shell]

@odd terrace Are you speaking from experience or are you just going off of what the wiki says

[half basalt]

just going off of the wiki for a suggestion is generally a bad idea unless it has something to do directly with the wiki

[hollow shell]

Yeah

Wiki can be flawed
That change may have already been made but it was unnoticed by editors

I'm lookin thru source now

Alright, yes, there does still exist one conditional minion slot with the Offensive Guardian
Getting burnt out removes the minion slot

[queen sail]

What would this do that would help improve the mod @ashen warren

[tired haven]

Given that you have no reason to go to these biomes during blood moon anyway, nothing really

[half basalt]

Would also make farming in evil biome during a blood moon (for... whatever reason) a living hell.

[karmic stone]

+50% DR

[queen sail]

Wait what

Excuse me

[wet spear]

make a boss that uses the same weapons and armor you have and in expert (if you want) uses some of the expert bosses extra moves/phases and it could be like yharon where once you defeat him you have to do this and when you refight him maybe even add dialogue between phases.

[queen delta]

New boss suggestions arent allowed

[queen sail]

Boss suggs are a big nono

[queen sail]

Should we put Lead Core out of Silva chestplate and put it into somewhere more logical

Like the Absorber/Sponge or Asgardian Aegis (or Valor)

Because let me tell ya it’s pretty annoying to farm some prehm enemy for one drop just to complete a full set of viable Yharon P2 armor

[half basalt]

oh yeah why is lead core in Silva chestplate?

[queen delta]

Dunno but i like extra grinding

[half basalt]

:T

[queen delta]

Keeps me playing longer

[half basalt]

Yeah, but that's artificial length

[lost agate]

For the same reason you need vitamins for a shield

[half basalt]

I mean yeah, but that shield is supposed to be the immunity shield

[lost agate]

Well this breastplate is supposed to be immunity breastplate too if thats the logic

Hell lets not go that far

[half basalt]

Why the item itself is called Vitamins is an entirely different question

[lost agate]

You need a blindfold

[half basalt]

Honestly the shit you need to make ankh shield themselves are weird

[lost agate]

Because the game follows no logic so dont look too much into why a lead core is in a breastplate

[half basalt]

But like

why tho

At least using the mats in the Ankh shield makes sense

because that shield is supposed to be the immunity shield, as i said

[lost agate]

That...

[half basalt]

"Ankh" shield

[lost agate]

Still doesnt excuse you use a literal piece of cloth for it

[half basalt]

Now, grant you, the things you use IN it themselves makes no fucking sense

Like a blindfold and Vitamins

v i t a m i n s

[lost agate]

Then why are you questioning silva then

[half basalt]

But at least the immunities themselves make sense to put in the Ankh Shield

[queen delta]

If all items were as easy to get as buying from an npc, all playthroughs would last an incredibly short time and would be boring

[half basalt]

What does Lead Core have anything to do with Silva Armor

[lost agate]

sigh

Immunity

its the breastplate of immunity if you go by that logic

Or we can add like 10 more items so it makes more sense?

[half basalt]

whatever

No just don't have the lead core

Maybe I'm just dumb

[queen delta]

Please do actually

[half basalt]

[queen delta]

I’d love more items that take longer to get

[lost agate]

Silva breastplate but its ankh shield

Vanilla farming ankh shield

[half basalt]

No make the Silva breastplate require the Ankh shield iirc

[lost agate]

Enjoy your days of farming

[half basalt]

I said just dont have the lead core but whatever

[queen delta]

Lead core isnt even that hard to get anyways

[lost agate]

Pocket mirror

Ez first ingredient

[queen delta]

I could turn on torrential tear, go to sulphur sea, and get it within 5 mins

No zerg needed

[queen sail]

Now imagine fargo’s

[lost agate]

Hell ye

Now it makes sense cuz its the breastplate of immunity, amirite

[queen sail]

Think the other question is why is silva the breastplate of immunity

[queen delta]

Because its the most late game armor that isnt auric tesla and demonshade

[queen sail]

And please don’t say that “it makes it unique”, it’s literally just a breastplate

[lost agate]

?

[queen sail]

And don’t we have aegis for most debuff immunity anyways

[lost agate]

No afaik

But for real now

Isnt it better to give the breastplate the irradiated immunity if it doesnt instead of just deleting the item from it just so it doesnt have much porpuse?

[half basalt]

I guess

just seems kinda weird

[queen sail]

It is weird

Like

[lost agate]

Well there you go, easy fix

[sand umbra]

just a thought: would it make sense to add various debuff immunity items to Silva armor

since it has an enormous immunity list

[queen sail]

“This accessory gives you immunity to a biome debuff that you will probably not even encounter”

[lost agate]

Wait silva actually has immunities?

[half basalt]

Thomas what have you named yourself now?

[sand umbra]

yes

[queen sail]

It does iirc

[sand umbra]

where do you think Auric Tesla gets all its immunities from

[queen sail]

Silva has a lot of debuff immunities iirc

[sand umbra]

it gets them from Silva armor

[half basalt]

wait

[sand umbra]

and they both share that immunity list with the Margarita and Purified Jam

why? I don't fucking know, they just do

[half basalt]

So what's the point of the Ankh Shield line again?

[queen sail]

You’re bad at dodging and hate knockback

[sand umbra]

...to give you debuff immunities before that point?

[queen sail]

[half basalt]

i guess

But I mean like

once you get Silva Armor

Then what's the point?

[sand umbra]

Silva armor is very late in the game

[lost agate]

Best dash in the game

[queen delta]

Silva armor is a higher tier than asgardian aegis

[lost agate]

And yeah that

[half basalt]

Eh I'm just a dum

[queen sail]

What do we do for aegis tbh

[sand umbra]

Asgardian Aegis mainly holds weight due to its dash and other shield-like capabilities

which retain relevancy even well after obtaining Silva armor

[queen sail]

Actually

Why does tracers get an endgame version and aegis doesn’t

[queen delta]

Because its more needed?

[half basalt]

Make sure that the end game Aegis is Rev+ because

[sand umbra]

Because its more needed?

[queen sail]

Needed for what though

[sand umbra]

Elysian Tracers are literally two fights earlier than Celestial Tracers

[half basalt]

I mean, I don't know about you

[lost agate]

Mobility

Scal

[half basalt]

But a dash is pretty good

[sand umbra]

and serve just about all the same purposes

[lost agate]

BR

[sand umbra]

the only difference is that Celestial Tracers are slightly faster and give more wing time

and for some reason are exactly one major boss later than the shoes they're an upgrade from

[queen sail]

You are gonna be using the wings part of tracers more than the shoe part in scal

[lost agate]

You can only go so far with a dash until its too much

[half basalt]

Tracers wingtime iirc

[lost agate]

Now you dash too far and run into things

How great

[sand umbra]

you can also run into things extremely easily with Celestial Tracers

[half basalt]

^

[queen delta]

Not if you’re good at handling it

When i first started nohitting scal, i found myself easily running into projectiles

[lost agate]

Also i prefer tracers for scal

But we had this convo already

[queen sail]

So then

[queen delta]

But now im very easily able to weave thru projectiles with no problem at all

[queen sail]

Question

Why do tracers have boots if we all just fly anyways

[half basalt]

[lost agate]

Because people actually touch ground

[half basalt]

Not with yharon lore iirc

[queen sail]

And go back up as soon as they touch it

[lost agate]

Or actually run along it

Cuz thats how dodge scal

Or you know BR

[queen sail]

Like dog is the only post ml boss where horizontal movement is a priority

[lost agate]

Where half the bosses would kill you if you fly all time

Not all people play the same way

So dont go around questioning why something is this way when it may just be preference

[half basalt]

..e

[lost agate]

Like ok you fly all the time vs scal, but are you actually sure everyone does too?

Have you seen literally everyone do it?

[half basalt]

I know the answer is no obviously

but, funny enough

Everyone I know does tbh

[queen sail]

You ever consider that the main way to dodge a bullet hell is free movement

[lost agate]

Which... Also is considered in running?

The free movement of not being able to run yes

[queen sail]

You wanna run in a closed box?

[lost agate]

I do

I dont want, i actually do it

[foggy grove]

Can I interrupt this conversation with a document arguing my opinions on some armor changes?

[queen delta]

Sure

[lost agate]

Yeah

[queen delta]

This convo isnt really going anywhere anyways

[half basalt]

conversation

[queen sail]

Sure

[foggy grove]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gNTkUB6oI62kLZmAkU8GWlj7w4UM1tnM8JGu_kQXMTU/edit?usp=sharing

TLDR:
Necro Armor needs +5 Defense
Frost Armor needs Warmth Potion Effect
Turtle Armor either needs DR, higher Defense, or stronger thorns effect

[queen sail]

Honestly isn’t that a general issue with most calamity armors

[lost agate]

The rest i can agree with, dunno about necro tho

[queen sail]

Or that prehm vanilla armors are just defense memes

[lost agate]

Wh

[half basalt]

@queen sail yeah, prehm- oh.

[lost agate]

What does calamity have to do with the fact this armors needs some buff

[queen sail]

Well

We got better set bonuses

[foggy grove]

Aerospec Armor and Reaver Armor conflict with vanilla sets a lot

[half basalt]

um

because like hell relogic would ever listen?

[foggy grove]

And daedalus

[lost agate]

That doesnt mean turtle armor is good

[foggy grove]

Also the Necro armor suggestion is mainly to balance it against Aerospec, not vanilla

[lost agate]

Or that frost armor is literally missing the one very thing its based around

[half basalt]

oh wait I'm dumb

[lost agate]

But sure whatever

If everything is gonna devolve into calamity nitpicking then i aint gonna bother

[foggy grove]

So when it comes to Turtle Armor, would better thorns effect be better, or DR?

[civic pond]

dr

[lost agate]

Yeah

[foggy grove]

Aight

[lost agate]

For necro armor, does the thing even boost dmg or does it only give less ammo consumption?

[foggy grove]

Necro Stats:
16 Defense
+15% Ranged Damage
20% Ammo Preservation

[opal barn]

What does Aerialite give?

[foggy grove]

Ranged Aerospec Stats:
18 Defense
+8% Ranged Damage
+8% Ranged Crit Chance
+17% Movement Speed
+50% Fall Speed
Fall Immunity
Taking over 25 damage spawns homing feathers

[queen sail]

^ That

[lost agate]

Also im pretty sure ranger and melee people use frost armor over other things

[queen sail]

Was just about to post lmao

[foggy grove]

Whenever I go Melee, I go straight from Titanium to Chlorophyte+

[civic pond]

Chlorbruh

[foggy grove]

For Ranged, it does offer more defense

But for melee it does pretty much nothing

[lost agate]

Well thats because titanium is just op

And chloro is another tier

[foggy grove]

Titanium actually has universally lower stats to Adamantite, but has the Shadow Dodge

That's what makes them balanced imo

[lost agate]

You can make frost earlier thn chloro

[foggy grove]

I know

Adamantite, Titanium, and Frost were compared in the document

Chlorophyte was compared with Turtle and Hallowed

I'm just saying I always prefer to use Adamantite or Titanium and not Frost

[queen sail]

How do you balance an armor that has no noteworthy set bonuses to “you are occasionally invincible”

[foggy grove]

By having its counterpart have no set bonuses

[lost agate]

A few stats doesnt balance out literal invincibility

[night cradle]

^

[foggy grove]

True, and isn't that why the invincibility was nerfed in Calamity?

[night cradle]

Yes

[lost agate]

Its still invincibility at the end of the day

[night cradle]

At least, Calamity tried to balance it
It's still broken right now

[queen sail]

Why do you think some endgame modded bosses have some kind of counter effect to shadow dodge

[foggy grove]

Well either way,

Adamantite has higher stats
Titanium has invincibility
Frost has frostburn

[queen sail]

Stats are nothing to shadow dodge

[lost agate]

Frostburn had good stats too iirc

[civic pond]

frostburn is actually a somewhat decent debuff at that tier

[lost agate]

Like some really good ones

[foggy grove]

Frost Stats:
43 Defense
+16% Melee Damage
+11% Melee Crit Chance
+8% Movement Speed
+7% Melee Speed
Attacks inflict Frostburn

[civic pond]

i think

[hollow saffron]

i think frost should be obtainable post-cryo and inflict glacial state as well as frostburn

[queen sail]

It doesn’t matter what your stats are if it gives a chance to literally tank an attack for nothing

[foggy grove]

Melee Titanium Stats:
49 Defense
+15% Melee Damage
+14% Melee Crit Chance
+14% Movement Speed
+8% Melee Speed
Shadow Dodge

Frost has mostly lower stats than Titanium, and vastly lower than Adamantite

[lost agate]

Youre missing the ranged stats from frost

[foggy grove]

Frost Stats:
43 Defense
+16% Ranged Damage
+11% Ranged Crit Chance
+8% Movement Speed
Attacks inflict Frostburn

There's the ranged benefits

[lost agate]

Well there you go

[foggy grove]

I wrote all of this in the document

[lost agate]

You could literally use both melee and ranged and do well

Also yes bumble, frostburn can be decent

Nothing ground breaking but it can be good extra dmg

[night cradle]

It's Damage reduction, if that's what you meant btw

[civic pond]

multiple debuffs at once is good for some extra damage

blarp

[hollow saffron]

defense reduction

[foggy grove]

Fixed "defense reduction"

But yea, frostburn does 8 damage per second. For bosses with 50k health, does that really make a difference?

[hollow saffron]

imagine

[lost agate]

Theres a reason worms are immune to DoTs

So yes

[civic pond]

a 20 hp debuff on every segment on a worm

that could be balance breaking depending on the tier

[lost agate]

Not to mentions its some cool looking particles

[civic pond]

more like lag

[lost agate]

Good for exploring if you dont wanna use torches all day

[sand umbra]

worms are immune to DoTs because, as you can observe with EoW if you have a weapon that inflicts debuffs at that time: DoTs on worm bosses, if they can afflict more than like 5 or 6 segments, are absolutely game-breaking

[queen sail]

Destroyer was pretty much the reasons why worms are dot debuff immune

[sand umbra]

it's why Destroyer is the one vanilla boss to be immune to every debuff in the game bar that one Cupid's Arrow meme nobody cares about

[lost agate]

Could you imagine if you could inflict electrify on a worm?

[civic pond]

imagine inflicting electrify period

[queen sail]

Destroyer vulnerable to debuffs died so quickly the game couldn’t register his death properly

It was that bad

[foggy grove]

Projectiles that split on contact on each segment

[queen sail]

[foggy grove]

TFW Phase 2 DoG dies in 3 seconds after spawning because Celestus + Nanotech

[civic pond]

actually

[lost agate]

I never understood why they only gave turtle the thorns effect and nothing more

[civic pond]

now im starting to see why devourer is immune to shred and demonflames

assuming they do anything

[tired haven]

Me neither ngl

[sand umbra]

turtle armor needs more shit

h

[queen sail]

Bc “balancing”

[civic pond]

because thorns is useful obviously

[lost agate]

Like ok you have spiky turtle shells, you covered spiky but where is the turtle shell

[tired haven]

I mean, we ask the game who also put titanium as alternative of adamantite

[queen sail]

Get hit in a game where getting hit is probably something you don’t want happening

[sand umbra]

Shadow Dodge will eviscerate under my hands

[civic pond]

shadow dodge

[lost agate]

Also the game who makes alt sell for more

[rugged mist]

shadow doge

[civic pond]

and then we have adamantite which doesn't really exist.

its all in your head 😳

[foggy grove]

The only thing good about Turtle Armor was how you could 2 shot the Dungeon Guardian back in 1.2

[tired haven]

Tbf adamantite mage is p sweet

[sand umbra]

I will kill Shadow Dodge and give Adamantite a reason to exist

h

[queen sail]

Honestly if you want the bad hm ore armors to be useful convert them into enchs

[civic pond]

but so is literal invincibility

[queen sail]

They’re useful when they’re that

[civic pond]

woohoo set bonuses

h

[tired haven]

There is actually quite curious thing about shadow dodge

[civic pond]

hm?

[sand umbra]

speaketh

[tired haven]

It helps you more the less you get hit (because of cooldown), but at some point it stops affecting you at all, you will survive regardless

just don't get hit™

[foggy grove]

Also, Ninja Belt+ gives you a chance of avoiding a hit

[civic pond]

:pog:

[foggy grove]

Isn't that essentially the same?

[tired haven]

But yes for 99% of situations titanium is god

[queen sail]

But ninja belt is rng

[civic pond]

god

[queen sail]

Titanium is guaranteed

[civic pond]

from my experience titanium has just been the abuser of i-frames

[tired haven]

It still is

[sand umbra]

Titanium is just

why is this a fucking set bonus

available to all modes before defeating any Hardmode boss, at that

[queen sail]

Because balance

[sand umbra]

and for all three "main" classes

[tired haven]

Tbh if it gave you only 33% to dodge shit, it would still be powerful

[civic pond]

kill shadow dodge or give adamantite something equally as retarded

🔫

[queen sail]

Adamantite doubles all your projectiles

Done

:tpose:

[civic pond]

jesus christ

[tired haven]

Just imagine ichor dart memes again

[civic pond]

ok but a chest is not astrum aureus

[tired haven]

Or should I say, fractal dart?

[civic pond]

mm yes time to use any ranged weapon

[foggy grove]

Isn't Adamantite vastly superior to Titanium when it comes to no-hit runs?

Better everything stats, and the dodging hits doesn't matter since you can't get hit anways

[tired haven]

Mmm stats aren't better iirc

Aside from set bonus

[foggy grove]

Time to pull out the document for the 100th time

[tired haven]

Which is only notably good on mage since mana reduction

I getit thx

Well then yes, sure

just yeet destroyer and get hallowed

[sand umbra]

kill shadow dodge or give adamantite something equally as retarded

I'd prefer the first thing

[civic pond]

[sand umbra]

mainly because you cannot beat invincibility with anything that isn't invincibility

[civic pond]

or at the least.

[sand umbra]

[civic pond]

give adamantite some kind of set bonus

😔

[tired haven]

Wish granted
10% melee speed/25% to not use ammo/20% decreased mana usage

[sand umbra]

[ashen pier]

hi people

[teal ibex]

the big issue with this suggestion is that it ultimately entirely removes content for very little benefit

and as hard as it is to believe, some people do play the mod in expert mode

[foggy grove]

I love expert mode calamity

[versed mica]

Yeah I don’t think limiting other player’s choices is a good idea

[hollow saffron]

imagine having to rescale all of calamity just because of a game update

and besides what's the reason

[winter gorge]

this doesnt seem like a hard task at all

[hollow saffron]

hey @hollow shell if you're not busy can you evaluate how hard it would be to move all revengeance boss AI and drops to expert

(sorry for ping but it was for the greater good)

[teal ibex]

it is a simple task but one that ultimately removes content from a demographic of players that is less common than the majority

[swift bison]

Sounds at the very least very Tedious

[winter gorge]

well, its just causing expert to always preactivate revengance

[hollow saffron]

yeah well that means moving boss AI

[hollow shell]

I guess it wouldn't be hard to do
But dear god that's such an extreme change

[winter gorge]

but i kinda see now that removing a diffuctly may be dumb

[foggy grove]

One problem I have with this is that I find Normal mode too easy and Revengeance is too hard...

Expert mode feels perfect for how I play

[hollow saffron]

redcode memes

[teal ibex]

it's not hard to do at all, you'd just force revengeance mode when loading in expert

[hollow saffron]

fair

[nocturne crow]

You can also toggle Rev mode off if needed.

[hollow saffron]

didnt think of that

[teal ibex]

but there is a demographic of players that don't like adrenaline/rage but also really don't want to play normal mode

[winter gorge]

however i think the death mode suggestion should be considered

[hollow saffron]

the real problem is that the gap between revengeance and normal is insane

[winter gorge]

I really still think Master should be replaced with Death.

[hollow saffron]

master mode is just discount revengeance

[teal ibex]

i think it's a bit hasty to replace a mode that we know nothing about with deathmode

[hollow saffron]

^^^^

[foggy grove]

Is master mode even technically its own difficulty setting?

In the 1.4 trailer they showed the world creation screen and only Normal and Expert where there

No Master mode to be seen

[winter gorge]

You have to kill expert moonlord, i think

[foggy grove]

Can confirm

Just looked it up, I guess it is a new difficulty

[hollow saffron]

'nothing new' wow such lazy

[foggy kindle]

[haughty laurel]

:(

frick whoever said normal is baby mode

i went with normal cause it was my first experience with mods

[versed mica]

same

and then I went directly to expert becuase better loot

[hollow saffron]

i started straight on revengeance

[foggy kindle]

I played on Death mode when I first played the game... Died repeatedly to Desert Scourge cuz random spawn memes

[tired haven]

I'd not quote red like that tbh

[hearty plaza]

red is known to joke

[tired haven]

If you look a bit more there are tons of joke claims like "beating the boss on master mode gives you guaranteed dev set"

[hearty plaza]

like. 10000 signatures and 15$ and moonlord legs will be a boss

[tired haven]

[sand umbra]

I think the main reason everyone expects this to be the case, and by extension somewhat accepts it as a fact of life

is because we have literally zero evidence to prove the contrary

there's nothing to imply Master Mode will be more than just bass-boosted Expert

[tired haven]

Exactly, yeah, but still, holding horses instead of stomping the master mode before it comes out seems more rational to me

[hearty plaza]

^

[tired haven]

Nobody really expected 1.3.6 to become 1.4 out of nothingness

[queen sail]

To be fair crabbar

These are the same people that boosted the shit out of prehm bosses and statboost memed almost every hm boss for expert

And the same people who have a notorious reputation for making questionable design choices

:echthink:

[carmine stream]

[lost agate]

nobody plays expert calamity
literally me

i close my case

[queen sail]

nobody plays expert calamity
literally me

:echbegone:

Perish, peasant

[sand umbra]

🇺

[rugged mist]

[tired haven]

No wii

[worldly saffron]

@hollow saffron I know I'm late, but same, my first ever calamity playthrough was rev

and I think that when Master Mode comes out it'll probably be somewhere between expert and rev in difficulty

but we can't confirm

[lost agate]

smh

[fervent zealot]

all we can do is hope master mode is more than artificial difficulty

[foggy kindle]

inb4 x5 HP and everything 1 shot you

[nocturne crow]

Everything looks to hit much harder in the preview, but not so much like death mode.

[queen delta]

Response to all master mode complaints: you’re just not a master yet

[hollow saffron]

@fervent zealot master mode is 3x health and thats it

so yeah artificial difficulty

[frail mantle]

that would kinda break the non-linearity thing Calam has

[mossy shale]

I like @worldly saffron's idea because it's said the Perforator is made from the remains of the Brain in the lore item, so this would make sense lore-wise as well

[foggy grove]

No

[frail mantle]

maybe instead make the Cysts have reduced spawn rates pre-Brain/Eater

[worldly saffron]

well, it's not completely breaking linearity either

[foggy grove]

The lore was written back when the cysts were post eow/boc, but now that it's been changed, the lore could be considered outdated

[zenith hazel]

how do you accidentally kill a cyst when it has like 1000 hp?

[worldly saffron]

well, lets see

[foggy grove]

They have 1000 HP and summons don't target them...

[worldly saffron]

1. someone could be fucking blind (me) and not see it

[sand umbra]

[zenith hazel]

yeah but how? the cyst itself stands out from everything around it

[worldly saffron]

2. AOE such as Crystalline and weapons that bounce like Dune Hopper

[zenith hazel]

if you don't notice that you're hitting the cyst with crystalline after shooting it like 30 times to kill a cyst then that's on you

[worldly saffron]

or you know, you could just be stuck since Crystalline and Dune Hopper are your best weapons

but since you all care so much how about I remove the suggestion

[nocturne crow]

The HP it has, the only times when you accidentally kill the Cyst, is when you're late game and just start doing drive-by's with 10k+ DPS, senselessly attacking things.

[foggy kindle]

From the pin (removed most of the quote tho)... Brav is just trying to ask you why does that even happen...

Debunking does not = Trying to make you delete your suggestion.

[worldly saffron]

ok, let me put it this way

do you think I'm going to aim my Crystalline and Dune Hopper to comply with the cyst's wishes of not being killed

and keep in mind this is not on the surface

this is in the enclosed underground where there isn't much room

[zenith hazel]

I get the dune hopper argument but not so much with crystalline considering it doesn’t have much range to begin with, meaning you should be able to see what you’re hitting most of the time

[worldly saffron]

ok

well, it happened again

guess we're going for a double feature

[teal ibex]

the brain of cthulhu has almost entirely died in this picture

i don't disagree it can be an issue, but you have to admit it's pretty fringe if it took an entire in-progression bossfight to occur

[lost agate]

Doesnt the boss give zen?

if theres a cyst just freaking leave the place, come back then spawn it

[hollow saffron]

do cysts not despawn

[echo pond]

They do if you get far enough away, they're just like any other enemy

[hollow saffron]

@echo pond imean

do cysts not despawn under the effects of zen

[civic pond]

oh lord

[sand umbra]

okay

I don't like getting heated over suggs at all

but I don't think I've ever disagreed more with a sugg than I do with this one

there are people that play normal and expert Calamity, believe it or not

[half basalt]

^

[sand umbra]

call them filthy casuals if you will, but they most certainly exist, and they want, maybe...a calmer experience while still getting the general gist of the Calamity vibe from their playthrough?

[civic pond]

Its not fair honestly to shit on people for playing baby mode

[sand umbra]

it really isn't

[civic pond]

no its normal mode, not everyone wants a challenge.

[half basalt]

The species Normalius Vidolius does indeed exist, despite how rare they are. Not surprising, to be frank. The species is almost extinct.

[nocturne crow]

Some people just play the game casually at a selected difficulty

[foggy grove]

I mean, as someone who has beaten Death Mode, I still enjoy Normal Mode sometimes

Especially the week after I beat SCal, I was done with difficult games...

[half basalt]

Death SCal with no potion buffs

as a Mage

[civic pond]

f-formatting.,,..

[foggy grove]

[sand umbra]

could Expert mode use a little more meaning? absolutely!

merging an added difficulty that is supposed to be a step up from Expert with the difficulty it's supposed to be a step up from
would not only be infuriatingly difficult but would also serve no practical purpose and is NOT the correct way to go about it

[half basalt]

^

Like

what would even be the point of merging them

If you want to play revengeance, just play Revengeance

By merging them, anyone who wants to play Expert but not Rev is fucked

I accidentally said Expert but shhh

[civic pond]

Ok before this discussion goes on longer

Bottom line
Sugg not being implemented, not happening ever
case closed

[sand umbra]

^

[civic pond]

I like chags suggestion

but honestly it feels more like an extra vanity thing

should be left more to another QoL mod

[sand umbra]

a certain vanity mod, perhaps

[civic pond]

:omeg

fuck.

nitro.

[half basalt]

^

[placid moth]

Stardust Guardian does pitiful damage for some reason

[civic pond]

oh indeed.

[hollow saffron]

why should i craft my god slayer armor into a FREAKING PET

[civic pond]

yeah yeah mechworm

[hollow idol]

smh Hype already said summons wont become pets so thats a no to the vanity mod

[quiet tangle]

i play expert calamity

[radiant pawn]

Chlorophyte Crystal pet

[hollow saffron]

chaos spirit pet

[radiant pawn]

HotE pet

[tired haven]

PSA pet

[austere lion]

Nerf the nebulash, it has higher dps than the solar eruption

[karmic stone]

It's supposed to

[austere lion]

Why?

It's a mid hardmode weapon

[karmic stone]

Wait, Lash is Aureus right?

[austere lion]

yes

[karmic stone]

Nvm

[acoustic ferry]

nebulash is good but it suffers against defense
solar eruption less so
its probably fine

[warm tinsel]

I like pets, I give my vote

[radiant pawn]

nebulash is really good it doesnt have to be nerfed

[karmic stone]

Boss suggestion

[quiet abyss]

@ashen warren

[ashen warren]

im so sorry

i forgot

deleted

[quiet abyss]

It's fine, read the rules before you post any more suggestions in the future.

[zenith hazel]

it's ok, just be more careful next time

[queen delta]

Still havent added a new message to #suggestions-voting telling you to read rules or pins. :/

[distant gyro]

ech I doubt that'll be practical

if people don't read then people don't read

[queen delta]

Yeah sure there’ll be people that still wont read, but if it even helps a few cases, its already done more help than harm

[plucky matrix]

like a bots message? we in AC have it like that, our bot sends a message in the channel that says to read pins and when a new suggestion has been sent the old message gets deleted and the new one sent, that way it's always at the bottom for people to read

[void kelp]

Adding it would be better than not!

[quick ice]

hey, are the 9 suggestions that have reached the 90 Stars going to be sent to the dev server? Currently they're all there with no indication of being sent, despite some having been at 90+ Stars for a while

[quiet abyss]

They will be soon, remember that the people who deliver suggestions ain't robots and have their own lives to deal with.

[night cradle]

they're going to be sent

also what Pinkie just said ^

[quick ice]

my bad, I thought there was a bot that sent them

[quiet abyss]

Though now that you mention it, hmm since I'm free rn gimme a bit while I deliver them.

[swift bison]

wait what was the boss suggestion?

[sand umbra]

^

[terse sundial]

Leave it be

[sand umbra]

well alright then

🛫

[distant gyro]

custom chests in worldgen : spasm

[queen sail]

I mean

Isn’t the structure enough

It’s p simple and easy to recognize

[ashen warren]

Thoughts on making class emblems interchangeable among themselves or making guide respawn as soon as WoF is killed/despawns so it can be farmed faster?

i love this idea because it makes there be unique chests too that you can flex

[lost agate]

The point of shrines is actually struggling to find them

Otherwise you find luxor in 5 minutes if youre unlucky

Im ok with the chests but not the priority for metal detector

[night cradle]

^ tbh

[quick ice]

I'd like to see a Sunken Sea shrine which can only be opened after Giant Clams been defeated in HM
That and each shrine to be Symmetrical and use achest that fits their biome better

[lost agate]

I mean, they do fit their biome for the most part

Also arent they simmetrical already?

[quick ice]

Underground/Surface should Use Gold, Ice Should use the Ice Biome Chest or an Ice chest, Crimson/Corruption could use their biome chests from dungeon

they're symmetrical in shape, but the chest doesn't sit even in the middle

[lost agate]

So you want shrines to use the same chests that are everywhere else

And gold doesnt even fit surface

Its also confusing since people may think youre gonna get vampire knives just by looking at the chest

[quick ice]

it's Surface/Underground right?

also I guess you're right about the Crimson Corruption Thing, but Ice being glass doesn't make sense

[lost agate]

Yes but its mostly surface

[quick ice]

alright then, All chests are fine as they are except Ice

[radiant meadow]

tbf, ice biome chest is used in the ice tomb

and it does not have staff of the frost hydra

[quick ice]

it is?
In that case, doing the Corrupt/Crimson Chests for shrines should be fine

and speaking of the Ice Tomb, why does it exist? It's just an out of place structure that's a counterpart to the Pyramids that's pretty unecessary

[lost agate]

Because you get good loot out of it too

And because otherwise ice biome has a whole bunch of nothing

[quick ice]

true, but adding an out of place Pyramid wannabe doesn't help deal with the lack of content in the Ice-Biome

[lost agate]

Why is it out of place even

[quick ice]

It's a giant hunk of ice shaped like a tomb despite no lore for it's existence, and it's loot is just a collection of various ice items that aren't based around a dead Pharoah such as the normal Pyramid

[lost agate]

And if you wanna go that route, why have temple when its a wannabe dungeon

Oh so you want it to have pharaoh stuff

[quick ice]

Pyramids* are also out of place imo

[lost agate]

Just so its called wannabe more

Piramids are out of place too then

The fact one of your arguments its the fact it doesnt have pharaoh stuff after calling it wannabe really confuses me

And does everything need lore to exists?

The entirety of terraria had no lore until some time ago

[quick ice]

no, I just think that the Ice Tomb could be removed since it's a random chunk of ice slapped into the Ice Biome with an accessory

[odd terrace]

How rare are those ice corridor things anyway

[quick ice]

one per world

[odd terrace]

With Arctic Diving Gear

[quick ice]

it's a 1/3 chance for the Diving Gear

[lost agate]

Literally everything in the world are random chunks of blocks

[odd terrace]

I’ve only ever had one

[lost agate]

Does it block you on doing anything? No

Then why remove it

[odd terrace]

Also pyramids

[lost agate]

Its literally ice on an ice biome

Its as fitting as it could be

[quick ice]

okay, I guess so

[lost agate]

By your logic everything else has this issues, piramids are random chunks of bricks slapped into the desert with an accesory
Sky islands are just random chunks of blocks slapped into the sky with an accesory in it

[quick ice]

The Pyramids are out of place, but I'd rather we stop arguing about this for now since I won't be able to get a suggestion on removing the Ice Tomb implemented

[lost agate]

And im telling you why i think its not out of place and that your logic is flawed

[mental path]

the ice tomb doesnt have anything unique though, while sky islands and pyramids serve a unique purpose

[lost agate]

Well then we could make new unique stuff for it

Not flat out remove it

[quick ice]

That would work

[quick ice]

hey guys, here's a suggestion that I was thinking about submitting. Thoughts?

Enemy Spawn Changes: I've noticed 3 enemies in the Underground/Caverns which seem out of place, which are the Cryo-Slime, Bloom Slime and the Sun Bat. here are my ideas of where they should be moved to.

• Sunbat should be moved to the Space Biome in Hardmode, since it's literally a SUN bat. Also, it resembles the Sunskater in it's palette and how they both give Holy Flames on contact
• Cryo Slime should be moved to the Ice/Snow Biome, since Cryonic Ore spawns there.
• Bloom Slime should be moved to the Jungle since Uelibloom ore spawns primarily in the jungle.

[ashen warren]

Slimes aren't exactly what I'd put in different biomes, mainly for farming purposes.

Like, sunbat is 100% justified

[karmic stone]

I'm up for Sun bat in space since they're one of the not-so-many source of cinder and their spawn is mostly bloated by other stuff, plus it would have good synergy with the Mini Saucer enemy, making space the meta place to farm cinder

[ashen warren]

But the slimes don't really need to be anywhere else but underground,

[rugged mist]

i mean

isnt the whole point of it being a bat that its underground

[quick ice]

it's still a Sun Bat

[rugged mist]

yeah, a sun bat

the only bat that spawns aboveground is the jungle bat

[quick ice]

but the bat has clear similarities to the Sunskater

[rugged mist]

so putting it in the space layer would make it redundant since sunskater is already there

[quick ice]

it has a very similar palette if not the exact same palette, and they both inflict holy flames and they both drop Essence of Sunlight

also the other 2 essences aren't in the Underground, cause they're meant to be acquired in biomes that you usually don't go to

[rugged mist]

that's fair

[queen delta]

Check suggestions donts

[terse sundial]

@crisp spear no

[primal cairn]

You buffoon

You didn’t read the thing reeee

[queen delta]

Is there STILL nothing telling him to read it anyways?

[crisp spear]

Oof sorry, can someone send/tell where I can read the suggestion rule thingy

[hollow shell]

@sinful violet Yo edit the channel description on #suggestions-voting to say to read the pins and check the Suggestion Don'ts document in the pins before suggesting.
It currently says "dump it in here" which isn't very true considering the numerous rules we have in place

It's in the suggestions channel pins, Smol

[sinful violet]

Ahh

Alrighty

[crisp spear]

Thanks I’ll check it out

[sinful violet]

That's definitely an artifact from way back when

[queen delta]

[crisp spear]

Ah I see my mistake, thanks for pointing out my mistake

[quick ice]

what suggestion did Dr. Smol post?

[crisp spear]

It was a stoopid one about adding a event/boss and I didn’t read the pins/rules

[quick ice]

oh god no not more bosses

[crisp spear]

Yeah I realize my grand mistake

[quick ice]

like the mod doesn't even have 100 enemies yet

but it has over 20 bosses

[crisp spear]

Yikes

[quick ice]

granted if we count variants such as Angry Scryllar it barely crosses the 100 mark

[hollow shell]

(99 enemies and 10 minibosses)

if you don't count Boss Servant enemies or variants

[quick ice]

true

[hollow idol]

I remember back in a version 2 years ago it said 150+ enemies

[quick ice]

what?

how

[hollow idol]

screenshot of the mod desc in that version

[hollow shell]

It's 139 enemies if you count boss servants

so I think if you do include variants that'd take it over 150

[hollow idol]

before abyss, astral, and sea

[hollow shell]

No idea

[quick ice]

it would

oh that includes bosses, Boss summons and enemies

[hollow shell]

Maybe it's a technical number, so each segment of a worm's body counts as an enemy NPC

[quick ice]

that too

[hollow shell]

Each segment of Ravager's body, each Profaned Guardian...

[hollow idol]

yeah a friend did the research and it barely met 150 with the worm body segs

[quick ice]

each worm counts for 3-6 different NPCs depending on how detailed they are

hey guys, so I found a sprite a while ago which was supposedly a scrapped Sunken Sea Enemy

seems like a Crystal-Crab for the Sunken Sea, any devs know why it was scrapped?

[hollow shell]

what

[quick ice]

Here's a pic of this supposedly scrapped enemy by the way

[hollow shell]

Where'd you find it?
I don't think I remember this

[quick ice]

is it fake/fanmade or was it ever actually a thing

[cobalt rose]

it wasnt a thing as far as i know.

[quick ice]

there's a document in the lore server that has a dozen or so enemies that are meant to be enemies that were sprited for an update and revealed, but weren't ever implemented

so it could be unofficial/fanmade, but I'm not sure

[rugged mist]

generally speaking if something was scrapped it was for a reason so asking why or asking for it to be reimplemented is generally a fruitless endeavor

[quick ice]

yeah, I figured as much but it'd still be interesting to know why

[hollow shell]

Alright, checked, it was indeed a planned thing
But it wasn't implemented because it didn't jive well with the rest of the Sunken Sea. Biome's meant to be primarily peaceful and this was an aggressive enemy

[quick ice]

especially since there's a few animated sprites in this list of supposedly scrapped sprites

ah, gotcha

[hollow shell]

Probably shouldn't suggest that it be added, assuming that it'd fall under the technically of the "don't suggest readding of removed features" rule

[cobalt rose]

then explain the giant clam

[quick ice]

Giant Clams peaceful unless you attack it

Sea Serpent is the only enemy that I remember which is actively agressive to the player at all times

[tired haven]

Is it possible to forcefully disable autouse of weapons via accessories?

I thought it would be cool to give gloves of precision that trait, so they will check out with the name and also synergize with stealth builds

[hollow shell]

It might be possible

I'm sure there is a way I just don't know how convenient and not-buggy that way will be

[fervent zealot]

what's the worst that could happen

[cobalt rose]

disabling autouse

[hollow shell]

fire and brimstone

raining from the heavens

cats and dogs living together

[fervent zealot]

oh mb forgot this was terraria we were talking about not a well coded game

[tired haven]

Hmmst, so it wasn't tested but may be possible, I see

[hollow shell]

I don't know why it would have been tested considering you proposed the idea just now

[tired haven]

the very concept of forced no autouse, not the item itself, heh

[hollow shell]

I see

Yeah that doesn't seem like it would have been done before
Usually people want to add autoswing

[tired haven]

Yeah

[hollow shell]

Maybe check in with the WeaponOut boys (Voodoo Arm) or the guy who made Omniswing and see if you can just set their Trues to Falses

[tired haven]

Would try to check
(do I take that as the suggestion is valid?)

[quick ice]

I doubt they'd add it since it'd be better for Weapon out/a different mod, but you can try suggesting it

[lost agate]

That kind of nerfs the fire rate even more

[fervent zealot]

but it also encourages precision a great deal more

[lost agate]

I suppose

I just dont want the accesory to be ignored cuz it handicaps you so much

[tired haven]

The slowdown may always be reduced or removed

[lost agate]

Has anyone used the glove properly to say thats neccesary?

Cuz the thing came out today so i dont think it has been taken to full potential yet to be reworked like that

[tired haven]

Well, it's not exactly a rebalance, more of "make thing more unique"
Likely the idea would fit better as separate accessory, but I believe it would make a nice gimmick for gloves of precision (also a worthy counterpart concept-wise to the other glove pair that changes your gameplay drastically)

[radiant meadow]

it's totally possible to disable autoreuse on items with an accessory

[quick ice]

there could just be a new item added in which could do the "No Auto-Swing" effect

[radiant meadow]

although it'd probably also end up effecting stuff like blocks

[lost agate]

Glove of precision is quite literally the oposite of glove of reckleness

Atm

[tired haven]

Well, not quite tbh
Does it improve the precision from base level? (which is ideal arc on most rogue weapons iirc and only depends on your own aim really)

[lost agate]

Well, most weapons are accurate already

How do you change something that is already a thing?

[fervent zealot]

removing autoswing would give the illusion of increasing precision

that's how you "change" it

[tired haven]

Clicking manually to attack is slightly morr precise than holding autoattack

[lost agate]

It only makes it more of a hazzle to the brain

[tired haven]

Stealth is also a hazzle to the brain, to a certain degree
And I'd like the accessory which would help a bit to support this playstyle at the cost of further increasing skill floor

[lost agate]

And i still stand by the fact not a lot of people are gonna star a change to an accesory that came out today and most havent used

[tired haven]

Then I'd preserve it for later, I suppose

[quick ice]

again, if there's a new accessory made for it that would be an ideal option

[sinful violet]

@cobalt rose No need to suggest that.

[quick ice]

if the community and the devs like it, then it could be added to the mod without taking out something many haven't experienced yet

[cobalt rose]

oh? will that be added in the future or will it not happen ever

[tired haven]

I guess I found that slightly inconvenient gloves of recklessness do something extremely unique to your playstyle but precision don't

[lost agate]

I mean

[tired haven]

But yeah, again, separate accessory may be better

[lost agate]

No auto use isnt exactly unique

[sinful violet]

Already happening vader

[cobalt rose]

ok good. 👍

[lost agate]

And has literally no downside to a weapon that has no auto use already

[quick ice]

will there still be 2 unique Providence accessories, or just 1?

[cobalt rose]

@nova reef uh... astral bricks exist

[nova reef]

they do? i tried looking but couldnt find them

[tired haven]

(but it will fall under specific item suggestion now that I noticed)

I think no autouse to things that do have autouse is pretty extraordinary

Also, how many rogue weps exactly do not have autouse? I can't even recall any ngl

[cobalt rose]

mangrove chakram is one

[lost agate]

That got changed

[cobalt rose]

(mainly because its like the magic dagger and autouse wouldd be broken)

[nova reef]

ah, my bad then

[cobalt rose]

wait really

[nova reef]

i didnt realize they used the ore

[lost agate]

Yes, and it wasnt op

[tired haven]

Pierce iframes do their dirty work iirc

[cobalt rose]

did i like have a false memory or something

[radiant meadow]

seashell boomerang and icebreaker aren't auto reuse

[tired haven]

Just checked the wiki, these two and glaive do not

[quick ice]

Giant Squid Rework: Currently, the Giant Squid is a pretty strange enemy. It's ridiculously large due to the 2 tentacles hanging down below it, which causes it to get trapped between the islands of the abyss. So, I've got 2 ideas to fix it.
1: Remove the 2 hanging tentacles below the squid. I know that it would make it seem inaccurate to what it's meant to look like in real life, but these tentacles seriously inhibit the Squids movement and make it a negligible threat to the player.
2: The worse option in my opinion, but if the squid was able to go through blocks it could keep it's large size and become an actual threat to the player.

thoughts on this suggestion? I'd like to just do whichever option you guys think is better

[tired haven]

All 3 are before plantera where you get the said gloves

Also hmm, second option sounds neat

Doesn't have to always phase through walls, can do it reaper shark-style (once stuck)

[quick ice]

The red here is what I'm proposing be removed in option 1

oh, that would be interesting

[rugged mist]

what would determine if it was stuck in this case tho

[ashen warren]

big brain option

[tired haven]

I don't know exactly due to no code knowledge on that AI, but reaper shark never really gives you a break

[ashen warren]

change squid's collision hitbox to not include the bottom two tentacles, but keep damage hitbox the same

[quick ice]

is that possible?

[ashen warren]

[tired haven]

I'd stab you with a rusty scarlet devil terry

[sinful violet]

perish

[quick ice]

if so that would be an ideal option, cause the Squid does look better and more realistic with the lower 2 tentacles

[lost agate]

@prime creek i think thats already in

[prime creek]

nah

[quick ice]

if you have wings then it's a nice QoL change

[prime creek]

tested it like 2 mins ago

[zenith hazel]

calcium potions also exist byeah