suggestions-discussion

[magic verge]

i was referring that the point terraria makes also involves giving you a wooden fishing rod or whatever its called to fish

[queen sail]

You know what you can also get with a wooden fishing rod

[magic verge]

and calamity gives you a 400 fishing power accesory from the first boss

[queen sail]

10 shoes

Then change that

[karmic stone]

Fishing only becomes mildly important later in the game, not the second you spawn

Just commit Flesh/Soul catcher

[lost agate]

one day i will get DS to not have fishing drops i swear

[karmic stone]

[queen sail]

Literally change DS’ drop pool to not have fishing drops

[magic verge]

no, because nobody is complaining about fishing being too op because fishing sucked and calamity improved by speeding it up

[fervent zealot]

. . . . . .

[magic verge]

fishing also was a passive process even if you had to click like 2 times every minute

[fervent zealot]

everyone knows fishing is overpoered as shit

even in vanilla, where it's slow

[lost agate]

reaver shark yes

[magic verge]

wasnt reaver shark nerfed?

[queen sail]

Fishing was always broken

[lost agate]

also how in gods name is fishing passive

[queen sail]

It was just boring

[fervent zealot]

fishing is literally active

herbs growing is passive

[karmic stone]

I mean, i used to listen to ASMR while fishing

[queen sail]

The fish don’t catch themselves

[magic verge]

throw line, wait 1 minute with your wooden fishing rod, click again, repeat

[lost agate]

you dont have to sit near the herbs to make them grow

[karmic stone]

but that made me lose alot of important shit so

[fervent zealot]

literally

go afk

come back, harvest and replant herbs

repeat

[karmic stone]

wooden fishing rod
again, why

[magic verge]

i dont want to wait to play a game, whats your point

why gate behind time

i dont get it

[fervent zealot]

. . .

[queen sail]

The difference is you can mine for 346 iron ore and come back for 15 dayblooms

[karmic stone]

we are telling you not to wait what

[queen sail]

And have 0 fish because guess what

You didn’t go fishing

[magic verge]

"we are telling not to wait" "go afk" ????

[fervent zealot]

you can literally do nothing and herbs will still grow.

[magic verge]

but i dont want to do nothing, i want to get potions to fight stuff

[karmic stone]

you can
keyword

[magic verge]

you know playing the game

[fervent zealot]

.

you have no idea what you're even talking about, do you?

[queen sail]

“I hate waiting” well i’m pretty sure this game isn’t for you then

[lost agate]

can we just

you know drop it already

[queen sail]

I tried honestly

[magic verge]

democracy will prevail

[karmic stone]

I really did

[lost agate]

cuz like, idek what even is the point

[karmic stone]

[fervent zealot]

in the time it took for this conversation to take place i harvested enough herbs to make potions for 10 new bosses

i rest my case.

[karmic stone]

democracy will prevail
🚪 🚶

[magic verge]

anyways that was my ted talk

[hearty plaza]

i hate shiverthorn tbh. i grind 10 items and one(1) of them has bloomed. other herbs are ok because they dont take 10 years

[radiant meadow]

@open brook all the ore slimes drop the same amount of ore

@lost agate would bloom stone be moved to prov? It's uelibloom themed because pbg used to spawn uelibloom.
also, I assume aero stone would be removed from Aquatic Scourge?

[lost agate]

Yeah we talked about it a bit

[karmic stone]

By the way, is there any real reason Aerialite is locked behind Mind and Hive?

Besides mechanics

[radiant meadow]

what should it be locked behind instead?

[lost agate]

thing is, we either push hote to post provi, change the name of the stone or redesign it and move it to plant or smth

[karmic stone]

I mean, it doesn't fit thematically, and there's no lore on why they do this

besides mechanics

[lost agate]

Moving it to post provi isnt really all that convincing imo

[fervent zealot]

what about redesigning the bloom stone into the moon stone and making it a ml drop

[lost agate]

kinda ruins the point of the damaging aura

didnt suggest smth for bloom stone since i wanted this suggestion to get attention first

one thing at a time as some may say

[magic verge]

wouldnt that cut hote viability too much?

[lost agate]

yes thats what im saying

[fervent zealot]

moving the stone to provi would unless it got a huge buff

[magic verge]

you could always buff hote anyways

[radiant meadow]

personally, I'd rather keep aero stone where it is actually

[lost agate]

why?

[quick ice]

Aerialite would work well with a Pre-HM Skyboss

But I doubt the devs want to add any more bosses to the game (Except what they’ve announced)

[radiant meadow]

there aren't many jump boosts obtainable so early. Balloons require you to get lucky enough to snag a grav pot and not be like me and pancake yourself on the bottom of an island
and frog leg requires a good amount of fishing

[ashen warren]

or jungle catching

[lost agate]

well but you cant ignore the fact aero stone is way more valuable than a simple balloon

and like, killing DS isnt nearly anything complicated

Its inconsistent and too useful

[radiant meadow]

isn't a balloon like just as high?

[lost agate]

maybe, but a balloon doesnt give you dmg

[radiant meadow]

the damage is negligable ngl

[lost agate]

and you dont see people use ballons on HM or the like

[radiant meadow]

3% of 20 base dmg is like 1

that's because balloons have upgrades

aero stone upgrade is post cultist

[lost agate]

well that doesnt make balloons boost jump height less

[radiant meadow]

?

[lost agate]

actually hold up i gotta look up smth

i dont wanna look like a fool cuz vanilla is being inconsistent

[radiant meadow]

I'd rather nerf aero stone than move it

I can check in game which one is higher

[lost agate]

sure

i dont see why nerf it instead of moving it and perhaps buffing if neccesary so it fits thematically

but you do you

and like, the point of the suggestion isnt only "aero stone is op"

its more about consistency and thematic

when i did my run a while ago, i was able to decipher which stone was dropped by who until i got to aero stone, i just guessed until i got it

[radiant meadow]

no boosts: 6
aero stone: 7
shiny red balloon: 10
bounding potion: 10

[lost agate]

isnt aero stone 12 since its a 100% boost?

Anyway, the point i was trying to make is that no new players i going to inherently think "oh this dry worm drops the aero stone" since they didnt know DS used to trigger aerialite

[radiant meadow]

nope, that's not how jump boosts work I guess

[lost agate]

so if they didnt randomly get aero stone while killing ds they may end up looking at hote then wondering "where do i get this" they try perfs or hive since those unlock aerialite, thats the most logical relation, then turns out they get nothing

[radiant meadow]

vital jelly is 9

[lost agate]

Anywho you get what im saying?

i might just remove the last paragraph of the suggestions since its derailing the original intent of the sugg

[radiant meadow]

ye, if the suggestion isn't about balance, remove that from the suggestion

because I don't see any real issues with balance here

[lost agate]

Aight done

[hoary hinge]

they should just rename the relics a bit

make aero stone be like sand stone or earth stone

[nocturne crow]

The Blossom Stone confused me and still does. When I looked at that, I thought it was a drop from Plantera rather than PBG.

[hoary hinge]

the other three have fine enough names to fit their bosses but if you wanted to avoid referring to the ores you could make them be Freeze Stone, Flame Stone and Life Stone or something

or just make the bloom be plague stone though that doesn't feel that natural lol

[nocturne crow]

It really doesn't, lol. But then again, the stones themselves only drops from calamity minibosses and bosses.

[lost agate]

Sand stone doesnt really fit with what the item does

Also like sandstone exists already

[radiant pawn]

blossom stone looks more like a provi drop

because uelibloom aspect

[lost agate]

Yes i wanted to suggest a change for that too but one thing at a time

[radiant pawn]

and also hote is like pre ml right?

[echo pond]

Yes

[radiant pawn]

it should be post ml tbh

iirc the buffs it gives you normally are really high for ml

but not sure

[nocturne crow]

The stats for it could be updated for progression pre-ml and then post-ml.

[ashen warren]

hote with vis off scales to scal or so

I'd say it's pretty op when it's current.

[quick ice]

Bloom stone could be renamed "Pestilence Stone"

[hoary hinge]

call the Aero Stone the "oasis stone" because the desert scourge used to be a water based worm didnt it? and the desert used to be a great sea?

[quick ice]

nah, it would be better as a hivemind/perforator accessory

it's better than the Balloon and Frog Leg, which are both available at the same time as the Aero Stone

seperating them would help promote the use of the Balloon/Frog Leg rather than grinding the Aero stone if that matters to people

[lost agate]

again

what does oasis or desert or whatever has to do with the boost the item gives?

[void kelp]

Aren’t bars planned to be placable; they just need sprites?

[hollow idol]

Ive seen a lot of people make placed bar sprites

[open brook]

Who thinks that have the honor to ping me?

[radiant meadow]

astral bar is placable

that's about it

If I get some good tile sprites, I could probably code them

[hollow saffron]

speaking of bars being placeable, why wasnt that a thing

[queen delta]

They still need sprites

[radiant meadow]

Gram is making cryonic and perennial bar sprites I think, so they might get in one of the upcoming updates
(probably not the upcoming one due to time constraints)

[tired haven]

It is 95% limited by sprite work

So yeah, just waiting is a key

[civic pond]

[karmic stone]

I'm guessing they lose their contact damage while doing so right

[lost agate]

right

[acoustic ferry]

AI Type Supreme Cataclysm AI
Damage 0 (melee)
already done according to wiki

[lost agate]

but that can change

[karmic stone]

Oh really

Shush

[acoustic ferry]

D :

[tropic marsh]

it just means that you don't have to stand there going "ok what now" when your only option is to whack them

[lost agate]

mwahaha

[ashen warren]

just use normality relocator to tp on top of the brothers five heads

[sand umbra]

five 5heads

[lost agate]

i only have 4 tho

[tropic marsh]

And I don't know for certain whether they should have contact damage

[sand umbra]

get a 5th then

[tropic marsh]

I suppose it would make sense

[sand umbra]

[hoary hinge]

I'm actually not sure if they even can be tped onto with normality

someone please test this lol

[lost agate]

you can

they will just get far away in a milisecond

[tired haven]

You can, but they will be here for 0.05 secs tops yes

Just enough for 1 icicle stab I suppose

[ashen warren]

so yeah 50stabs per brother

at 10sec each

[karmic stone]

So teleport 100 times

[lost agate]

nothinh much

[ashen warren]

so 1000seconds

[tired haven]

Hmm yes 20 minutes

[ashen warren]

see? viable

[sand umbra]

mfw nearly 20 minutes for bros phase alone

that's a moment if I've ever seen one

[lost agate]

youre telling me you dont take 20 minutes with other weapons too?

[karmic stone]

Just use adrenaline for the Coldheart

[ashen warren]

looking forward to the no relocator death defiled true melee sc no hit

[tired haven]

Don't forget shrooms

[karmic stone]

no relocator
RoD momentum

[tired haven]

Yeah gl with rod animation time

[ashen warren]

rod is actually impossible because by the time you've switched items they're already out of range

[tired haven]

Well unless you have even more exotic ways to hit things like tarragon aura

(which isn't true melee anyway)

[lost agate]

ngl i do actually want true melee to have another mechanic that isnt just swing sword

[karmic stone]

Teleport even further beyond

[sand umbra]

mood

[tropic marsh]

funny you mention that shooks

we working on that rn

[civic pond]

whip swords haha ok bye

[ashen warren]

the penetrator tbh

[lost agate]

wait a minute what even was the original topic

[tired haven]

I want some phaser things but it's just plain

[civic pond]

i think it was something about the brothers

[tropic marsh]

it's in #calamity-mod-talk

[sand umbra]

a sugg about having bros swap sides of the arena occasionally

[karmic stone]

Uh, brothers moving or smth

[lost agate]

oh yeah

[sand umbra]

which conveniently links itself to this exact topic

sorta

[lost agate]

touche

[queen sail]

#suggestions-discussion derailing strikes again

[sand umbra]

honestly it's something I hadn't even considered but now that I'm aware of the idea I wholeheartedly support it

[karmic stone]

Only thing i'm worried about, is what they would do while moving

If they keep on shooting it's most likely going to result in cheap hits

[sand umbra]

naturally, their projectiles would cease momenteraily for that exact reason

[civic pond]

besides

wouldn't cal herself be shooting you still..?

[karmic stone]

But ceasing fire completely, plus them having to move kind of slow so that you can achieve a modest amount of true melee hits would look weird (??)

[zenith hazel]

tbh I like the brother switching sides concept as a surprise attack, not to provide room for true melee

[civic pond]

then make it both

:cosmicbrain:

[sand umbra]

it would do both, realistically

[lost agate]

ideally you want smth else too

to spice it up even more

but for now i have no idea

[zenith hazel]

I’d love to have them instantly switch positions by teleporting to surprise players

[lost agate]

nah tp isnt as surprising

[sand umbra]

teleporting is overrated

[queen sail]

Skeletron teleporting

[karmic stone]

Leave a trail of [X] while moving?

[queen sail]

[sand umbra]

the real big brain move is to have them fire their respective attacks up and down while crossing sides

or something similar to that

...I say, and then I immediately remember what skulls are

[zenith hazel]

alternatively, when they line up with each other, have them charge at you, leading to them switching sides

[lost agate]

problem

[karmic stone]

Make them spin like the old seeker phase

[hollow saffron]

brav that sounds harsh imo

[lost agate]

unless theres some delay to that dash its just gonna eat you

[hollow saffron]

^

[sand umbra]

wouldn't be too hard to add a noticeable tell for said dash

on a somewhat-related note, why the hell are SCal and her bros so jittery all the time when lining up with the player

[zenith hazel]

just a relatively slow dash

[karmic stone]

A slight change of position should do, considering how hard locked they are on the player, it should be noticeable

Like EoC's horizontal charge but made for 2

[lost agate]

@sand umbra cuz theres no way to align them perfectly

so they just constantly try, thats why they jitter

[sand umbra]

are you certain

[lost agate]

im pretty sure

[sand umbra]

it seems relatively simple (and there are multiple vanilla bosses that have some location, for some reason or other, set in direct relevance to the player or at least seem to)

[lost agate]

theres no way to do that without making it just instant movement, aka teleport

so for it to looks at least natural it cant be exact

[sand umbra]

ah

[lost agate]

tho dont take it for given, i havent seen much into npc code

also what examples are you talking about?

im actually curious

[hoary hinge]

i think they were referring to how Retinazer's AI always tries to be directly above you in phase 2 when firing high damage lasers and to the left/right of you when firing rapid lasers

[tired haven]

Mmm isn't that what scal already does?

[lost agate]

yes

but faster

like way faster

[sand umbra]

did a check of Twins, which was what I was thinking of

[lost agate]

yeah the twins do the same

they just arent as fast so the jittering isnt nearly as noticeable

[clear basin]

Ya like slimes?

[quick ice]

Sure?

But this mods slimes are all lame

[radiant pawn]

this mods slime are all made

you just insulted the legendary astrageldon slime

no one insults him

he's a deity, a forgotten warrior

[ashen warren]

in going to eviscerate you (under my hands)

[zenith hazel]

doesn't crabulon already drop glowing mushrooms?

[ashen warren]

iirc he does

[worldly saffron]

not sure if he drops that many

[zenith hazel]

35 should be plenty, especially since he's very easily farmed in hardmode

[ashen warren]

enough to refund his own summon item

[radiant pawn]

35 should be enough

Make Armageddon drop x6 times the items instead of 6 bags
This isnt much of an annoyance, but something that can be "cooler" if you place it on those words idk
Dropping 6 times the items in a single bag rather than 6 bags in armageddon imo sounds a lot more fun to do and managable when farming for stuff

how does this sound?

[tired haven]

Sounds like we'd get defiled bags fixed

[radiant pawn]

wdym defiled bags fixed?

[tired haven]

because arma bags would be insane

(you can activate defiled after bossfight and open bags to benefit from higher drop rates)

[radiant pawn]

ooh yea

fixing it is a good thing or a bad thing

[clear basin]

Fix implies good

[radiant pawn]

So should i put it in suggestions? or nah

[rugged mist]

wouldn't you just be able to activate armageddon after the boss fight and benefit from 6x multiplied bag drops

[clear basin]

No

[radiant pawn]

No

[clear basin]

Because the boss drops 6x bags

[rugged mist]

talking about in the case of this suggestion

which would replace that with bags dropping 6x items

[radiant pawn]

but what if arma makes bosses drop a special bag that gives 6 times more the items?

[clear basin]

Ultra bag

[queen delta]

I like that idea tbh

[cosmic steeple]

Make an alert after killing a boss with Armageddon for say wath Armageddon is still active ?

[tired haven]

I'm not entirely sure what's the point of having 6x less bags, but I guess you could put that

[queen delta]

But my problem with it is how less rewarding it is

6x bags for nohitting a boss is a very good reward

[clear basin]

That’s true

brjng it back to 10 bags tbh

[cosmic steeple]

And me ? Does that's a good idea ?

[queen sail]

Armageddon is useful for money farming early bosses at a later point in progression

[queen delta]

You’d need to also make the bag drop like 10x more coins to compensate for the less loot you get

[clear basin]

Oh yeah when are they gonna make difficulty indicators

Cmon devs

[radiant pawn]

You’d need to also make the bag drop like 10x more coins to compensate for the less loot you get

thats why 6x times the loot/items

[clear basin]

Maybe after 10 years in calamity 2.0.4 devs will make difficulty indicators

@cosmic steeple the grammar in that suggestion is beyond questionable

[radiant pawn]

^

[cosmic steeple]

I'm not English sorry lol

[queen delta]

That’s fine

If you’re open to it, I could revise it and you could edit it in

[queen sail]

Also that suggestion is pointless, to put it bluntly

[queen delta]

Yeah, its already been suggested a few times

[queen sail]

The issue would stem more from not knowing armageddon is active before you enter a boss fight

[queen delta]

one of them by me

[clear basin]

Difficulty indicators

[cosmic steeple]

👌

[radiant pawn]

and if you are a casual player

[hollow saffron]

how would difficulty indicators help lol

[queen sail]

Also should we get rid of levi iou

[queen delta]

Also there needs to be a reason for your suggestion

[radiant pawn]

you wouldnt use arma unil you can farm cryo

[queen delta]

I use arma as soon as I kill DS

[hollow saffron]

it's all fun and games until someone accidentally uses Armageddon in hardcore mode

[clear basin]

They tell you what difficulty you’re in...?

[hollow saffron]

isn't arma usable on all difficulties tho

[radiant pawn]

yes

[hollow saffron]

^

[clear basin]

I don’t see what the difference is

[hollow saffron]

so how would a difficulty indicator help

[queen sail]

Yeah but that’s not the point

Because arma’s used for farming and people can forget to turn it off

[clear basin]

The indicator tells others and yourself what modes you have activated

[hollow saffron]

the best reminder that can be done is to send a status message after the defeat of a boss that you may want to disable arma

[queen sail]

Imagine farming DS for coins or fargo ench materials and then you go to fight Golem or smth

[cosmic steeple]

Maybe add a reason for farming cryogen , brimstone elemental and aquatic Scourge
Like an obligatory item in the craft of the pickaxe with 200% ( Mining chlorophyte ) or something else

[hollow saffron]

and if you're farming multiple bosses in a row then you may forget

[queen sail]

Whoops, you forgot to disable arma, no run for you

[hollow saffron]

yira

[cosmic steeple]

Yeah ?

[hollow saffron]

kelvin catalyst is a thing

[queen sail]

Yira they drop souls

[cosmic steeple]

Yeah I know

[hollow saffron]

souls are also a thing too

[cosmic steeple]

But do an reason for killing them instead to kill mechanical boss ?

[hollow saffron]

easier

and SOULS

[rugged mist]

people usually prefer them to the mech bosses

[clear basin]

Also yes ditch iou as I suggested a million years ago

[rugged mist]

because they're way easier

[radiant pawn]

Oh yea iou exists

[hollow saffron]

what's the point of the iou anyway

[queen delta]

Cryogen, Brimstone Elemental, and Aquatic Scourge serve as an alternative to the mech bosses

[cosmic steeple]

Does I suggest it ?

[rugged mist]

it was around since before nonlinearity

[radiant pawn]

I mean

[clear basin]

To discourage progression breaking

[cosmic steeple]

Okay

[clear basin]

Which is dumb

It’s a sandbox game

[cosmic steeple]

Thanks

[queen sail]

Old item when the mod focused on balancing itself to Terraria’s “balanced progression”

[rugged mist]

yeah idk why iou is still a thing

[hollow saffron]

Besides the alt mechanics also have the briny accessory

abandon

abbadon

[rugged mist]

none of the other bosses punish you for progression breaking

[hollow saffron]

Which is a godsend against Calamitas

[queen delta]

IOU is dumb

[radiant pawn]

IOU is a cool (useless) item if you beat levi pre hm or go to a pre hm world and beat him to get your item 100% guaranteed

[hollow saffron]

^

[rugged mist]

i thought it was pre-plantera

[clear basin]

I suggested it a while ago so just refer to that

[radiant pawn]

it i pre boss

[hollow saffron]

prehm

[radiant pawn]

it is*

[cosmic steeple]

So maybe add a special thing to Leviathan ?

Because we can easily skip it

[radiant pawn]

no

just leave her item pool for hm only

[queen sail]

Thing is is that IOU is locked behind plantera

[radiant pawn]

thats the problem ^

[hollow saffron]

^

[queen sail]

...which is when you have access to a literal bunch of shit

[radiant pawn]

you have IOU until Plantera

And when you can craft items with IOU

[hollow saffron]

Really tho siren and Levi have oddly placed loot

[queen sail]

Dungeon guns, moon event weps, etc

[queen delta]

Nah, either keep the ??? exclusive to hardmode or remove the IOU and properly reward the player for beating them

[hollow saffron]

In most of my playthrough she I never used their items

[radiant pawn]

you dont because terra blade/edge, terraflame, and more exist

[hollow saffron]

Except for the sirens heart

Which is prehm

[queen sail]

Yata we’re a mod where it’s possible to skip the entirety of hm and go straight to the celestial tier bosses

[clear basin]

I’m on mobile so I can’t link my suggestion, but someone else can if you want

[queen sail]

Because of Eidolist Tablet

[hollow saffron]

why beat bosses early when you can skip the majority of Hardmode in a single step

[queen sail]

Same thing goes for prehm tbh, but vanilla allowed it

[rugged mist]

i mean have fun with that

beating LC early hardmode

[hollow saffron]

daedalus

[queen delta]

Daedalus is bad

[radiant pawn]

daedalus

[hollow saffron]

oh wait that got nerfed

uh

[radiant pawn]

but armor not bow

[hollow saffron]

kelvin catalyst

[radiant pawn]

[queen delta]

Its still bad for LC even in vanilla

[radiant pawn]

kelvin cata or absolute zero

[queen delta]

Kelvin

[hollow saffron]

kelvin

[radiant pawn]

arbalest😎

[queen sail]

Anyways

[clear basin]

Hey yata pester the devs to implement my Levi and as suggestion

[queen sail]

Remove IOU.

Reason: There’s a dissonance between killing Levi prehm and killing Levi pre-Plantera. On one hand, killing her in prehm nets you the IOU...which means that your due reward is locked behind a progression point where it’ll probably be outclassed. On the other hand, killing her pre-Plantera nets you the reward regardless, despite only being a couple of tiers away from said progression point. On that note, that’d render killing her at a time when it’s considerably noteworthy is rewarded with a slap to the wrist, while killing her at a time closer to the point you’re intended to kill her actually rewards you properly. Why though, when we have a major focus on nonlinearity? (It’s possible to immediately go to LC at the start of HM) People who beat Levi prehm should be properly rewarded.

[radiant pawn]

Are three ❕s a bad thing?

[clear basin]

Kirby that’s essentially my suggestion again

[queen sail]

How long has it been since your sugg tho

[clear basin]

Idr

[queen sail]

[radiant pawn]

[clear basin]

Also add as to your suggestion

[queen delta]

❕ was meant to be an indicator that it wasn’t reviewed by a mod yet but people decided to use it as a “dislike” or “disagreement” button

[queen sail]

And a fair point is that IOU has existed for a very long while

[clear basin]

as has a similar problem, he won’t drop shit until hm

[queen sail]

Ever since levi was conceived, when the nonlinearity schtick wasn’t around

At this point, IOU is just a leftover from the mod’s old days

[clear basin]

Idk why you’re explaining this to me ik already

I pioneered this movement

[hollow saffron]

LOL

[radiant pawn]

IOU is 100% item drop but useless item drop that crafts useless items

[queen sail]

By the time you use IOU, say hello to moon event gear

[hollow saffron]

imagine using IOU

[hollow saffron]

for real though you're beating levi in prehardmode so like, props to you

[queen sail]

Sept

:echthink:

[clear basin]

Yes ik

[hollow saffron]

why not give the player multiple treasure bags instead

[clear basin]

I’m just sending this so people can read it

Also so you can add as to your suggestion

[queen sail]

So uhhhh

It’s gonna get bluechecked, right

[clear basin]

/grey checked

Yeah

[queen delta]

Grey check is for mobile

[clear basin]

Ik yata

[queen sail]

So you want me to post a pic of your sugg with my sugg?

[clear basin]

No, just add as to your suggestion

[hollow saffron]

Make Siren/Levi drop more treasure bags when beaten in Prehardmode

Reason: Anyone who beats these bosses in prehardmode is pretty insane, and it's rarely done. GIving them some sort of reward that is actually viable(unlike IOU) would make it worth it.

[clear basin]

As I said 100x over

Xultronix that’s bad imo

[radiant pawn]

At this point y'all memeing levi item pool

[clear basin]

^

[hollow saffron]

why is it bad lol

[radiant pawn]

why tf would you want 100 treasure bags on pre hm

[hollow saffron]

i said more

not 100

i never specified

[radiant pawn]

you are complaining about progression breaking when that will make it worse

[rugged mist]

just remove IOU it doesn't need anything more than that

[queen delta]

I probably wouldnt give kirby’s a blue check just cuz its only focused on levi and the reason given is pretty different

[queen sail]

Alright revision

Added AS

[void kelp]

tbh I’d be happy to see the IOU removed bc it just seems like a fun challenge anyways

[queen sail]

If that’s fine

:echthink:

[rugged mist]

getting levi items prehm is a good enough reward

[hollow saffron]

at least give the player a treasure bag that drops one of each siren/levi item instead

[clear basin]

It’s the same reason, rewards for killing things

[hollow saffron]

[rugged mist]

it doesn't need to have a weird special reward beyond what the boss normally drops

[clear basin]

Ok then add more bags for defeating Fishron early

Or cultist

Or dog

or Yharon

[radiant pawn]

So you are saying Siren Song pre hm

Thats progression breaking lmao

you can melt WoF

[clear basin]

Yeah ok

[queen sail]

That’s

The point

[radiant pawn]

[rugged mist]

if you can manage siren/levi prehm you deserve to be able to melt wof

[radiant pawn]

what

no

Doing Levi pre hm is like doing Adult Wyrm at any stage

[clear basin]

Yeah...?

[radiant pawn]

just pointless

[queen sail]

Adult Wyrm is literally impossible prehm

[clear basin]

You beat him you get rewarded

Duh

Common sense

[radiant pawn]

[clear basin]

It’s really plain to see

This is a sandbox game

[rugged mist]

what's even your argument against this I don't get it, there's literally no reason for IOU to still be a thing

[clear basin]

Progression break if you want

[radiant pawn]

Im not saying IOU should be a thing

[queen sail]

This entire mod literally snaps progression in half

To focus on the game’s sandbox side

[radiant pawn]

but you are saying for your hard work to beat levi pre hm

use her weapons up until aureus

[clear basin]

Alright lura then remove reaver shark and eidolon tablet and rune of kos recipe

[radiant pawn]

thats not my point here what the fuck

[clear basin]

this is a SANDBOX GAME

[queen sail]

Then what is your point

[radiant pawn]

if you get levi pre hm you will ignore every ore you can get because you already have powerful weapons until Aureus

because you have stronge weapons

[rugged mist]

yeah but here's the catch

[queen sail]

Then good for you

[clear basin]

Kirby let me see your revised suggestion

[rugged mist]

you have to beat levi prehm

[clear basin]

Lura you do realize you need to beat levi

[radiant pawn]

you dont have to

[queen sail]

Because you beat a literal fucking tank and a projectile spammer prehm

Also sure scop in dms

[radiant pawn]

here, whats your point on needing to beat Levi

[rugged mist]

if you want the overpowered weapons you keep alluding to, then yes, you do have to

[radiant pawn]

she's optional anyways

[rugged mist]

im not saying you need to im saying that your entire argument hinges on the fact that supposedly getting levi's drops in prehm would be overpowered

but i'm saying that in order to get said items you'd have to manage to beat levi in prehm in the first place

[clear basin]

Lura your point is held together by straws

[queen sail]

Keep in mind that killing levi herself is a considerable task due to her bulk and damage

[sand umbra]

🛬

[queen sail]

At hm you’ll probably be able to tank some hits but prehm you’ll be taking chunks every time

[clear basin]

A similar argument lura, you can beat duke pre mechs

[sand umbra]

what the hell's going on in here

[radiant pawn]

Levi pre hm is just like dungeon guardian on pre hm too
But

[queen sail]

Smth smth remove levi iou

[clear basin]

nothing Thomas you don’t need to act like the world is on fire

[radiant pawn]

You know what i fucking give up you do you

[queen sail]

Levi is not like dg

Because you’re intended to beat levi

[sand umbra]

I wasn't, and I'd appreciate if you wouldn't get aggressive with me every time I show up, thanks.

[radiant pawn]

you say "this can break progress-" "ITS A SANDBOX LOL"

i give up

[clear basin]

Ok bye then lura

[rugged mist]

the mod literally takes measures to remove linear progression

[clear basin]

Also Thomas you kinda do that every time you get in a channel so it’s a little stale

[queen sail]

Lemme just dm you my sugg tom

[clear basin]

From now on I will try to not be aggressive, ok @sand umbra ?

Is this ok?

[radiant pawn]

the "this is a sandbox game!" arguement has been used so many times for an excuse its just tiring

H

[clear basin]

I mean what other argument do you need

[rugged mist]

that's literally the reason the mod removes progression requirements

[clear basin]

I still don’t even see you have a point

[queen sail]

Explain to me what Terraria is

[rugged mist]

your counterpoint of "you can get gear earlier than you should be able to" is invalidated by every other boss you can beat before its intended progression

which is every boss

[queen sail]

You can go to golem as soon as hm starts btw

Essence of cinder + solar tablet frags

[sand umbra]

can I question what point is being made by each person here

[clear basin]

Reward the player for beating bosses

[rugged mist]

basically

[sand umbra]

because this whole thing seems to be going in circles and it's too early in the morning for me to bother decoding this myself

[rugged mist]

remove IOU

that's the entire suggestion

just let levi drop items normally if beaten prehm

[queen sail]

Reward the player for beating bosses at an earlier point in progression in the long run

[clear basin]

Lura seems to think this is problematic but I can’t understand why

[sand umbra]

@radiant pawn can you give me your thoughts on this, please and thank you

[clear basin]

Thomas do you accept my declaration?

[sand umbra]

[clear basin]

Litty

[sand umbra]

I also accept the declaration that you made on this exact damn sugg a month and a half ago.

Which reached just shy of double the star req and got sent to dev server.

[clear basin]

(I meant the declaration about me not being a dick but thanks)

[queen sail]

I kinda just thought of it while i was browsing fargo server tbh

People were talking about killing betsy before OOA tier 3

[clear basin]

Oh yeah we were

[queen sail]

Then somebody mentioned that IOU bad, and i thought “Yeah, why does IOU still exist :echthink:”

[sand umbra]

the point is, this has already been suggested, highly agreed with, and sent to dev server

I don't really see a reason to suggest it again, as much as I agree with it

[clear basin]

There is no harm in doing it again

[radiant pawn]

@sand umbra nah i just give up dw its pointless now

[sand umbra]

it's not pointless

otherwise I wouldn't have ponged you

[clear basin]

ping

pong

[radiant pawn]

it is, its almost accepted by everyone now that levi should give you her normal loot pre hm so whats the point showing my disagreement if no one does

even if its not accepted by devs, a lot of people agree with that

so what gives

[ashen warren]

Because you might be the one who's actually correct.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[clear basin]

I was gonna say because this is the internet say what you want

[ashen warren]

that too

[lost agate]

What in tarnation is going on

[clear basin]

Nothing shucks nothing

[ashen warren]

it's alright old man shucks

you go back to your lawn

[lost agate]

no ur old

[clear basin]

If something was happening that was bad you would have heard about it by now

Just a friendly discussion

[queen sail]

Cucks

[lost agate]

I never heard of the bad things that were happening when i was a mod so like

But alright

[sand umbra]

either way

[lost agate]

Ok so lemme see these suggs

[queen sail]

Basically scopio’s sugg saying properly reward people who beat levi and AS prehm

[clear basin]

We aren’t talking about the current sugs btw

[sand umbra]

tl;dr Levi and AS should give their normal drops in pre-Hardmode 2: electric boogaloo

[clear basin]

my old sug

[lost agate]

Loot bag with 6x the items means making a new bag for each boss

[clear basin]

Yeah we know

[queen sail]

I made the same thing after seeing people in fargo’s meme on IOU despite Calam’s nonlinearity

[lost agate]

Armageddon indicator has been suggested before but as a more general thing

[quiet abyss]

^

[lost agate]

Aaaaaand levi dropping its stuff is smth i kinda agree with

[clear basin]

Speaking of adddifficultyindicators

[queen sail]

Why don’t we make arma a buff

Easy to see

[sand umbra]

buff cap

[rugged mist]

because buff limit exists

[lost agate]

Cuz buff limit sucks

[ashen warren]

buff slots h

[lost agate]

Yeah

[queen sail]

Damn

[sand umbra]

buff slot cap is garbage

[queen sail]

Redcode big meme

[sand umbra]

but it exists, and so we must work with it

[clear basin]

Oh you guys wanna hear something funny

[ashen warren]

22 buffs including debuffs deal with it

[queen sail]

What

[sand umbra]

hoping Journey's End kills it h

[clear basin]

Certain red projectiles make me lag to holy hell

Yes, only red ones

Redcode pls

[lost agate]

Chloro bullets make me lag

[queen sail]

Not for me fsr

[clear basin]

When I say lag I mean slideshow

[lost agate]

You arent shooting enough

[queen sail]

Though tbf

[lost agate]

Grab something like onyxia or halibut

[sand umbra]

Certain red projectiles make me lag to holy hell

your game is a bull and it likes the red so it focuses way too hard on the red and not actually making itself run properly

wheee

[queen sail]

I haven’t used chloro bullets in a while

:echthink:

[lost agate]

Fair

[sand umbra]

okay so actually

Chloro Halibut is guaran-fucking-teed to lag your game

and it's great

[lost agate]

Then you realize that chloro bullets actually have a sprite

[tired haven]

Challenge accepted

[sand umbra]

believe it or not, they do

[lost agate]

And the dust overload is just there as a fuck u

[clear basin]

So yeah reward the players for beating tasks insurmountable

:)

[lost agate]

Insurmountable?

[tired haven]

1000 lightning rod sentries, on the other hand...

[sand umbra]

[clear basin]

Insurmountable meaning big, unrealistic, difficult

Carving a mountain with a spoon is an insurmountable task

[sand umbra]

honestly I could probably do this myself in about five minutes but at the same time it's probably even easier to change directly on Calamity's side

that, and I have other things I need to focus on that are more pressing issues

[lost agate]

The what

[sand umbra]

the what what?

[lost agate]

[sand umbra]

[lost agate]

What were you trying to do

[sand umbra]

referring to having Levi and AS drop normal shit in pre-Hardmode

[lost agate]

Oh that

[queen sail]

Shucks appears as white name on my screen

[sand umbra]

instead of AS dropping nothing relevant and Siren/Levi dropping an IOU that you can't use until post-Plantera

[queen sail]

:pepehands:

[lost agate]

Oh no im white name

[sand umbra]

oh shit

[queen sail]

Dammit discord

[hollow shell]

@cosmic steeple Do you wanna look over your suggestion again
because it's unreadable (for me at least)

and also, add a reason

[cosmic steeple]

I'm not english sorry lol , I'll do that

Wait

[radiant pawn]

Make an alert/notification which says if Armageddon is still active or not for when a boss is alive or killed

@cosmic steeple is this better?

tried to help with english when im almost as bad as you in english

[cosmic steeple]

That's almost that

I have change the message Zero.

[hollow shell]

Alright, ye, I get it now

People have suggested similar things before

Thank you for editing

[cosmic steeple]

Nope

• Maybe add an other utlity to the Armored Digger instead of just make it drop Draedron Remote

[hollow shell]

Makes sense.

Armored Digger does drop Lead Wizard, but that's a rare thing

[cosmic steeple]

Oh , I did not know that eheh

• Make that after we beat Moon Lord , we can rarely cross the Sepulcher (Less strong) and that if we beat, we get the Eye Of Extinction

Also maybe a weaker variable for the Hardmode which (** maybe **: It appears only after killing the Armored Drigger and when we kill it, it gives the Eye of Desolation (It's just an idea ))

Say me if that's good

[radiant pawn]

moon what

so you mean that sepulcher normal enemy that drops the summoning items for Cloneamitas and SCal?

eh...?

doesnt sound appealing

[cosmic steeple]

Moon Lord eheh

He may drop it but the item is stil craftable

[night cradle]

Both of the eyes are in the fine places in terms of being obtainable and in terms of progression placement imo
I don't think making the summons drop from an enemy would be a good idea if crafting them is already a good way to get them

[hoary hinge]

the eyes are non consumables so having them drop from an enemy you can fight multiple times would get annoying

[cosmic steeple]

Yeah , I forgot that

[night cradle]

Yea

[hoary hinge]

we alrady have every time we fight providence and yharon we have to trash something worhtless

we don't want more of that

@radiant pawn unless you propose we make special armageddon treasure bags for every boss in the game that have different item IDs, with your suggestion you could kill a boss, turn on armageddon and open the bag to get 6x loot

[hollow shell]

I believe Lura is asking for a new bag item

which would uhh
it'd break other mod compatibility a bit

because we'd have to specifically program all of them, instead of running a function that affects any given boss drop

I would kinda like a better reason on that suggestion, actually
It mostly chalks up to "it'd be cool" and "it'd be fun" without really specifying why?

And I don't really see why dividing the drops into 6 bags is that much less manageable than stuffing 6x drops into one bag

I guess if you're doing several Armageddon kills in a row, sure
but I dunno why you'd need to do that like, more than twice, for any reason...

[hoary hinge]

that and i don't see how a bag that explodes into 6x loot is any more manageable than 6 bags

[night cradle]

it's not that necessary imo
since opening one and getting six times the items is essentially the same as it is right now on arma
the only thing different is... saved time on opening bags?

[hoary hinge]

especially since you can stack them to 999

[hollow shell]

Saves you some clicks
when you're
farming with Armageddon

[foggy grove]

The only problem I have with Armageddon is that you can get Expert mode loot in Normal Mode

[lost agate]

Well you see

[night cradle]

it's not that much of a problem

it's a sandbox game

[lost agate]

6 bags are still more manageable

You got what you wanted on one bag? You can save the rest

[hollow shell]

eh it's still weird having the mode-exclusive items be taken out of their mode

[lost agate]

Instead of just loot explosion and lets hope that fits your inventory

[hollow shell]

It's not like it's a progression-breaking thing
which is a more valid sandbox argument

[lost agate]

But yeah, theres too many downsides for this to be feasible

[foggy grove]

Yea back when Revengeance was permanent, Rev+ loot stayed in Rev+, and Expert mode loot had to be earned with Armageddon in normal mode

Now you can unlock all expert mode loot in normal mode and all rev and even death items in Expert

[hollow shell]

We just need an item to toggle Expert Mode now...

[lost agate]

You can also just go to an expert world in vanilla and get whatever you want

This is nothing new of an issue

[tired haven]

I mean, you could just visit secondary expert world, and you could do the same with permanent rev
^, ye

And disabling items just because of formal "hurdur this is the wrong mode" is kind of weird

demon heart does disable itself and it is really distractive

[hollow shell]

I personally don't think it's that weird

[clear basin]

It is

[hollow shell]

Why make items mode-exclusive if you let people get them in any mode?

[clear basin]

Rewarding the player that’s why

[tired haven]

Because presumably you can't get them unless you are well over the point of new difficulty

[lost agate]

Or you actually know you can

[tired haven]

The only exception is when boss loot on normal lets you beat the same boss with ease on harder mode

[lost agate]

Not everyone thinks instantly "oh i just turn on rev and open bag"

[hollow shell]

Yeah but they can totally do that

with no punishment

Never have to fight the boss in Rev yet get their Rev loot

[clear basin]

I didn’t even know you could do that lol

Didn’t cross my mind

[lost agate]

I mean

[tired haven]

you can even get cosmic plushie without doing the whole hardcore at all

[lost agate]

They could also only make a new world before when it was permanent

Now it only takes less time

[clear basin]

We all knew that crab

[tired haven]

I mean, it's the same thing really then

[hollow shell]

Cosmic Plushie outta be fixed too

[clear basin]

Tbf I forgot you could turn rev off

[hollow shell]

That feature was only added relatively recently

[lost agate]

The only difference from how it was before to how it is now is the time to make a small world and turn on rev

[clear basin]

I turn it on then trash it

[foggy grove]

Yea I just find it a little offputting that I have to follow an honor code to not play with items from higher difficulties

[tired haven]

Obv the solution to that is to introduce rev and dm versions of bags (obv partly sarcasm)

[lost agate]

Nothing stops you in vanilla to kill eoc on expert when youre on normal mode

[tired haven]

The expert eoc itself does, kinda

[hollow shell]

wdym?

[lost agate]

Except if youre like post skeletron

And you wanted a dash

[tired haven]

Which is probably why they didn't lockdown all the expert drops
And yes, fair enough

[lost agate]

Just make small world kill eoc, get dash

[tired haven]

Dash in particular is one of the accs you really miss out in normal

[hollow shell]

(luckily we have a bunch of those in Calamity)

[tired haven]

Others are quite less mandatory

And ye

Though counterscarf is rev+, isnt it?

[lost agate]

Early ones are also locked on difficulty

At most you get valor

[foggy grove]

It is rev+ but absolutely nothing stops you from getting it on your first kill in expert

[tired haven]

Cryo lore, actually

[hollow shell]

Statis's Ninja Belt and Cryo Lore are relatively early

earlier than Tabi in vanilla

wait shit

[lost agate]

Wh

[hollow shell]

dumbass

just Cryo Lore, then

[foggy grove]

Isnt statis ninja belt crafted with tabi?

[hollow shell]

yeah it is lol

[foggy grove]

[lost agate]

Also, as a said, nothing stops you from getting expert items when playing normal mode either

[hollow shell]

with making a new world, right?

[tired haven]

Yes

[foggy grove]

You do have to actually make a new world and refight all the bosses in a harder difficulty

[lost agate]

No not all

[foggy grove]

Instead of just kill him in easy mode, activate rev and profit

[tired haven]

expert is not easy mode but w/e

(just some snobism, forgive me)

[hollow shell]

Maybe, maybe, perhaps, Expert items should be properly mode-locked too

along with Rev n stuff

[lost agate]

Thats an issue with the game itself

[hollow shell]

Yeah and we are prolly able to fix it

Not like we've avoided vanilla changes up until now

[lost agate]

They didnt make any form or way to check what exactly gave you the bag

It just gets dropped

And like

[tired haven]

I'm against locking down expert items
It's not consistent with vanilla and will cause massive backlash

What can be done though is making it so expert mode items are never mandatory or too overpowered in first place

[lost agate]

Yes

[foggy grove]

The making a second world problem cant really be fixed, but honestly Im fine with that being the only way to get stuff. Its just too easy in calamity with armageddon and rev reversal

[hollow shell]

Why do we care about making things consistent with vanilla?

[tired haven]

Usual players don't go out of their way to obtain expert items in normal world unless needed

[hollow shell]

We can change vanilla.

[tired haven]

But should we?

[hollow shell]

https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Vanilla_changes

[lost agate]

Yes things have been made

[hollow shell]

This is a big fuckin page

[lost agate]

Doesnt mean everything should

[foggy grove]

I think we shouldnt lock the items, but just remove the incredible cheese methods to get them in lower difficulties

[hollow shell]

Yeah I'm not saying that we should just because we can
There's a reason for it
and that is actually makin items mode-exclusive like they were meant to be

[lost agate]

People who play it smart would just get flipped off by this change

[tired haven]

I mean, there are indeed things that were good to change from vanilla, and I didn't deny that
This one will only limit player options however

For no real reason given there is little to almost nonexistent abuse of that "feature"

Just making rev exclusive items actually having you to defeat rev boss should do

[foggy grove]

^^^

[hollow shell]

Okay

[lost agate]

Which is what happened when they were direct drops

[hollow shell]

The Rev+ exclusivity thing is a more important fix considering it's much easier to do anyhow

Considering, with the Expert drop one, you at least have to fight the boss in Expert

[lost agate]

Yes because bags

[foggy grove]

Armageddon in normal mode tho

[tired haven]

Yeah

[hollow shell]

You do not have to with Rev

[lost agate]

How exactly

[hollow shell]

Armageddon is a challenge as well

[foggy grove]

True I guess

[hollow shell]

It was said earlier, wasn't it?
Kill boss in Expert, get bag, activate Rev, open bag, deactivate Rev

Play Expert with Rev rewards

[tired haven]

Ye it was

[lost agate]

Yes thats the problem

[foggy grove]

Yea thats the issue

[lost agate]

Im asking whatever you think is the solution

[foggy grove]

Probably easiest solution is make rev items drop directly

[hollow shell]

A few options.
One being that you need to be in Revengeance to use any Rev items.
Another being we somehow modify bag code to check whether it was Rev when they dropped.
Or that.

[tired haven]

Revengeance versions of bags, perhaps
Doesn't even need a different sprite, just a name and to somehow replace regular bag

[hollow shell]

That could be done too (but I'm not sure if that's the best solution)

[lost agate]

Thats kind of what your second option is

[hollow shell]

Nah I wasn't suggesting we make new bags

[foggy grove]

I mean, expert mode bags statistically have better drop chances than normal mode drops, so if rev had unique bags, all of the items could be boosted again

[tired haven]

It is slightly different in technics

Since it's not a new bag but rather a new variable to modify old bag

I presume

[hollow shell]

I was thinking we program in some new flag
on bags
which gets triggered when it drops in Rev

yeah

[foggy grove]

Ye

[hollow shell]

if we could somehow make a function that modifies all bags without having to actually go in and modify each bag individually
that'd be preferable
but I don't know if it's possible

[foggy grove]

Also slightly related question:
All expert mode items have rainbow rank, and a lot of rev items have unique rank, so why are some like the counter scarf just normal rarities?

[tired haven]

Well, technically all expert items have a regular tier too

Rainbow just overlaps it

[foggy grove]

Ah I didnt know that

[hollow shell]

Yeah but
Rev items don't have rainbow overlap em

sometimes

[tired haven]

That's also true, and probably could be addressed

[hollow shell]

which is just an inconsistency thing, I don't think there's rhyme or reason behind it

[sand umbra]

🛬

SuperHot take: we should have a unique rarity for Rev+-exclusive drops

that aren't legendaries

[tired haven]

All of that, for a blink of color...

[sand umbra]

that way we can consistently mark them all as one rarity and it'll look cooler

[hollow shell]

That could be neat but I dunno how we one-up Rainbow

[sand umbra]

.

this is true

it's hard to one-up the single greatest rarity in the game

[lost agate]

Reading rainbow text hurts me sometimes

[hollow shell]

I meant like, conceptually

[lost agate]

Dont make it a dark color and we good

[hollow shell]

Donor rarity

[foggy grove]

I mean, the orange rank feels above rainbow to me, just because of the implications behind it

[sand umbra]

what if Rev+ drops cycle between various shades of red and orange

or something

[hollow shell]

I was thinking that yeah

Red and Orange and maybe Purple
to get all the shades of the Calamity/Calamitas fire palette

[tired haven]

Calamity fire may be a bit dark, shamefully

Though that's hard to judge without actually trying

[lost agate]

Donor tier is kind of that

also smh sors i never said i liked donor color either

[foggy grove]

What color isnt used yet? If any?

[lost agate]

Brown?

[foggy grove]

[sand umbra]

that one color of that one metal everyone cares about

or at least I don't think Gold is a rarity yet

🛫

[lost agate]

Yellow is

So like

[foggy grove]

Amber is pretty much gold rank

[hollow shell]

m
Yellow & Amber & Bright Orange

[foggy grove]

Lime and Green and Pure Green

[lost agate]

Actually

[sand umbra]

purple and violet

h

[lost agate]

Is there anything light blue

[foggy grove]

Not bright light blue

[lost agate]

Oh hey

[sand umbra]

turquoise and the original blue rarity

something between those two isn't taken though so that could work

[queen delta]

Only way to one-up rainbow is to do a different kind of rainbow

[hollow shell]

Cyan's a pretty light blue

[foggy grove]

Og blue is dull and turquoise is turquoise

[queen delta]

Instead of the whole text being rainbow, it’d be a gradient that sweeps across the text

[lost agate]

Is there a tier with cyan?

[hollow shell]

Yes

[sand umbra]

yes

[hollow shell]

Vanilla

[lost agate]

Dammit

[hollow shell]

Yata we'd need to program that from scratch and it'd be painful

but it sounds cool

[sand umbra]

it's the third-highest vanilla rarity, generally attributed to post-LC stuff

honestly what bothers me is like

at this point every good rarity color for Rev+ shit is already taken

[lost agate]

Thats where you make new effects

But like red code so i promise nothing

[sand umbra]

redcode is meme

honestly having Rev+ items cycle through various colors wouldn't really be that hard, I think

[lost agate]

Depends

[hollow shell]

I think we could probably settle on one type of color cycle, like the red-orange-purple
and maybe make the Legendary items no longer have unique rarities so it doesn't get confusing/samey

[sand umbra]

especially given that both the Rainbow rarity AND Legendary drops already do it

[lost agate]

Leggies do?

Huh

[hollow shell]

They all have unique cycling rarities yes

[sand umbra]

Leg drops generally cycle between two colors, ye

[lost agate]

Might need to look into that

[hollow shell]

It's not hard to make colors cycle, not at all

[sand umbra]

e.g. B-Flux goes between yellow and green, Cosmic Discharge goes between blue and purple, etc.

[hollow shell]

but making them cycle in a specific way
is difficult

[queen delta]

How about animated tooltips? All letters bounce in a wave

[hollow shell]

What you do is you replace one of the RGB values with a "disco" variable which constantly rolls up and down between 0 and 255

which is what we and vanilla do

[queen delta]

yes im picking stuff that’d be a nightmare to code

[hollow shell]

yeah Yata that'd be ridiculous lol

[lost agate]

gameboy startup sound plays

[tired haven]

Gradient rarities

[foggy grove]

I mean, how many non legendary rev+ items are there even?

[hollow shell]

Lemme count

[lost agate]

There a gradient dust and its the best thing

[foggy grove]

If there arent too many, I dont see why they cant just all have semi unique gradient rarities

Like counterscarf gets pink- red cycle

[hollow shell]

about 30

[lost agate]

Lets you do things like circles made out of dust that actually dont look like powder

I used it to make wind blade look pretty

[hollow shell]

Vanilla has about 20 Expert mode exclusive items
(if you don't count the big amount of Developer armor sets and accessories)

(which maybe should be counted
so, I will)

[tired haven]

Won't the weapons (2 yoyos) also count?

[lost agate]

Does gravity globe really need to count

[hollow shell]

there's about 80 or 90 Expert items if you count all the Dev shit

[tired haven]

Yes it does

Imagine powercreep of expert mode

gross

[lost agate]

I still dunno wtf power creep is

[tired haven]

It's when you implement shit that is the same but better

[sand umbra]

this actually reminds me of a sugg I was gonna make

[rugged mist]

It's when you're powerful and also a creep

[sand umbra]

gimme like 2 secs

[lost agate]

Thanks azura very cool

[hollow shell]

You ever notice how the items added in 1.3 are way better than items added in 1.0 and 1.1?

Power creep.

[lost agate]

Oh i see

[foggy grove]

I just counted all not dev/legendary/donator rev items, and I only counted about 20

[rugged mist]

Ye generally its like

[tired haven]

Yea what source said

[lost agate]

So like "we want you to use these items so we made them more powerful than the rest"

[tired haven]

Pretty much

[lost agate]

Which makes the supposed alts in ores just nonsense

[rugged mist]

There'll be something added early on which is a simple thing, and then later down the road something else comes in at around the same level of accessibility which is just blatantly better

[hollow shell]

To make the new updates seem cooler and better, you make shit that is outright better than stuff of the past

[foggy grove]

I remember the good ol days when people actually used the excalibur

[hollow shell]

Luckily it seems like they're going to be cracking down on that in 1.4
At least they said they would.

[tired haven]

I like hearthstone in that regard
5 mana 5/4 with taunt? Here, in our expansion there is 4 mana 5/4 with taunt

[lost agate]

I wouldnt mind about alts as much if they at least fucken made them have the same sell price

But no demonite bar is 16 silver cheaper than crimtane bar

[tired haven]

hmm

[hollow shell]

There's something of a power creep with Calamity in relation to vanilla as well
which we do make some effort to fix but it exists

Calamity items being better than vanilla items

[lost agate]

Brain farted

[foggy grove]

Power Creep in calamity is obvious with armor
I have never seen anyone use chlorophyte/turtle/beetle armor in calamity

[hollow shell]

See:
Ocean Crest granting infinite underwater breathing, drops from the first boss

[tired haven]

It is probably a necessary evil for mods to do powercreep
Otherwise people just go vanilla route

Still doesn't excuse it fully for me though

[foggy grove]

Or hallowed

[lost agate]

Hallowed wasnt that good anyway

Not after they made stuff likr chloro

[tired haven]

Turtle is bad by itself, and I used all 3 others, though mostly during true melee which needs specific stats

[foggy grove]

Yea I just always find myself using the calamity armors, starting from victide all the way to auric tesla with one exception being luminite sets

[sand umbra]

what's funny is that Chlorophyte armor is literally only better than Hallowed armor because of the crystal

[tired haven]

Plantera tier sets are pretty good compared to reaver