suggestions-discussion

[clear basin]

Then you should know not to be offended when your ideas are butchered to holy hell

[ashen warren]

yep

I remember what happened to the guy who discovered nuclear fission

the nuke

[clear basin]

Please don't compare yourself to these greats

[ashen warren]

sorry

I'll come back here when I have another idea

Hopefully its more feasible, but probably won't be

I usually know when my ideas will get rejected and for what reasons

but i share them anyway, because my assumptions just might be wrong sometimes

[zealous ridge]

It’s good to troubleshoot and ask what works and what doesn’t

although they are not allowed to be suggested, people are allowed to discuss ideas for specific items, or at least giving certain tiers more of a certain class/subclass

[lost agate]

@tiny agate the correct price would be 50 copper actually

If you make the math

I can change it real quick

Any other item you know of that has this problem

That isnt artic arrows, terra arrows or ice stars

Cuz i changed those already

[tiny agate]

No, I had just noticed recently how rot/tooth balls how those have a high price and how it could be easily exploited

[lost agate]

Aight thanks

Oh you serious, demonite bar sells for 8 silver less than crimtane

[tiny agate]

I'd recommend looking at the consumable throwing weapons

[lost agate]

Yeah that sounds like a good idea

Im gonna make rot balls 50 copper too cuz fucken vanilla inconsistencies

Its 8 more copper than what it should but i rather prefer consistency

[tiny agate]

Yeah

[foggy grove]

What if Warding was made useful by making it +4% defense instead of +4 defense?

[tired haven]

Sounds even worse in current realities

You rarely have over 100 defense

[foggy grove]

Actually yea true

Didnt think of that

[lost agate]

Im pretty sure you can reach well over 200

[sand umbra]

in late-game you rather commonly have over 100 defense

[foggy grove]

But thats only late game

[lost agate]

So its a nerf on early game yes

[tired haven]

And that's when you get slapped for 800 as well so defense becomes eh

[foggy grove]

I was thinking of a way to make warding actually comparable to menacing throughout the game

[sand umbra]

So its a nerf on early game yes

early-game is already the only point in the game where Warding is helpful in the first place

[distant gyro]

how about +4 defense and +4% defense

[tired haven]

[distant gyro]

two birds in one stone

[sand umbra]

to make it a percentage boost alone would kill it off

[foggy grove]

Or 4% DR instead of 1%

[distant gyro]

no way

imagine 20% DR

just from reforges alone

[ashen warren]

dr cap and op early-midgame

[sand umbra]

pick one

[distant gyro]

you're already approaching the cap with worm scarf and full warding in that case with 30% out of the 33% cap

[foggy grove]

So if 4% DR is too powerful and 4% defense is too weak, there has to be something inbetween thats balanced

[tired haven]

2% dr 2% defense

[distant gyro]

4 defense + 4% defense I tell ya

[hearty plaza]

2% dr?

[sand umbra]

DR doesn't really do much early-game in the first place because nothing outside of sometimes Rev+ bosses hits hard enough for DR to make a noticeable difference
h

[distant gyro]

yea 2% DR 2% Defense sounds good

[ashen warren]

yes but it's 20%

a whole fifth

[sand umbra]

yes

a whole fifth of that 20-30 damage you took, how powerful

[tired haven]

Btw dr hard softcap gets reworked in new update

[sand umbra]

[distant gyro]

yea you're taking 240 damage instead of 300 damage from a death mode DS head

[tired haven]

imagine getting hit by ds head

[sand umbra]

imagine using Death as a baseline

iirc

[foggy grove]

So, should I make the suggestion for 2% dr and 2% def?

[ashen warren]

no that's rev

[hearty plaza]

Deathmode

[tired haven]

20 / 72 / 90 / 259
thinkies

[sand umbra]

[placid moth]

Increase the DR cap if you are gonna suggest such a change

[ashen warren]

hahahhahahaa

That will never happen.

[foggy grove]

DR cap is changing next update

[placid moth]

Oh, what is it changing to

[ashen warren]

scales now

[foggy grove]

The soft cap is changing into a diminishing return scale

[sand umbra]

it's overall going to be more effective rather than just being a meme later on

will be less effective at lower numbers, but more effective at higher numbers

compared to current DR

[foggy grove]

Im just trying to make a full warding playthrough just as effective as a full menacing playthrough

[queen sail]

Okay sooooo

Is there a reason Maneater Bulbs and Trapper Bulbs have different drop chances

[clear basin]

Idk

[karmic stone]

Trappers have stronger jaws, and they normally end up biting and breaking their own bulbs troughout their lifespan

(I dont know either)

[hearty plaza]

trappers tend to be explodier when they die

[lost agate]

Well its simple, by the time you need to use both or either, whats easier to kill?

[queen sail]

The only reason i see maneater bulbs getting the better drop chance is because they become rarer in hardmode due to angry trappers existing

And even then you can probably just farm the jungle late prehm to stock up beforehand

[lost agate]

Well i dont think anyone would like if they got screwed over by not doing that beforehand

[queen sail]

Or just remove the inbetween wave timer/buffer

Aka one of the main reasons why this event is boring

[teal ibex]

i'm pretty sure all the drops are actually really solid

it's just that the event sucks

[clear basin]

They're also dope as hell

Aerial bane stupid strong

[fervent zealot]

bane is the only strong one though

[clear basin]

Yeah but they're cool so idc

[ashen warren]

ranger blows the curve as per usual

[fervent zealot]

aerial bane is literally more broken than most clam weapons for that matter actually

[clear basin]

Don't forget infernal brand memes

[fervent zealot]

boti is ogre drop, earlier tier

[ashen warren]

brand of inferno is an undertuned meme strat imo

[clear basin]

Psycho knife as well

[fervent zealot]

and yes it is in fact a meme strat not just out of the bag gamebreaking like bane is

[tired haven]

Brand of the Inferno also isn't a weapon, just a buff station

[distant gyro]

Phantom Phoenix is cool

but it's just there for the sake of being there

[tired haven]

(btw gotta spoil it for you, both Flying Dragon and Sky Dragon Fury are )

[distant gyro]

also TOIW is already buffed in calam but still irrelevant as ever

[tired haven]

Betsy's Wrath just, exists

[fervent zealot]

betsy's wrath is immune to being good

[tired haven]

Can't say it's too bad but the general debuff is resisted by the world

[ashen warren]

betsys wrath actually p alright imo

[clear basin]

Ichor 2

[fervent zealot]

aside from half of everything resisting its debuff it's an alright weapon, yeah

[ashen warren]

too bad its stuck in the limbo between "not quite good enough to use on its own" and "not quite enough debuff duration/vulnerable enemies to use like golden shower"

[tired haven]

Reminds me of cursed flames book a bit

[queen sail]

Isn’t betsy’s curse just a better ichor that isn’t relevant because ichor must solely remain the only relevant debuff

:echthink:

[fervent zealot]

it's not relevant because too many things are immune to it

[lost agate]

Oh hell no

Who would buff ooa stuff

We are still dealing with sentry memes

[tired haven]

It's not relevant in vanilla because like 3.5 enemies actually suffer more from BC than from Ichor

[fervent zealot]

you think we want to buff sentries?

:ech:

[tired haven]

Duke, ML, paladin, some random crap

[lost agate]

No

[ashen warren]

betsy curse is also harder to apply (hi ichor flask)

[lost agate]

But ooa stuff boosts sentries

[fervent zealot]

all we want is the random weapons literally nobody uses to get buffed

[ashen warren]

golden shower is really fast to switch to, fire, and switch back but betsys wrath has piss use time

[lost agate]

Well someone should specify that

Cuz suggestion just says to buff all

[fervent zealot]

you could have deduced that by reading the convo

[tired haven]

Drops do not include buyable stuff tho?

[fervent zealot]

and ^

[tired haven]

And sentries with armor are exactly what is bought

[lost agate]

Oh ... Right you buy the armors

[fervent zealot]

and the sentries

[tired haven]

But I agree it should be more clear

[ashen warren]

so what we need to do is buff valhalla knight chestplate to +40 regen

[lost agate]

As you can see i didnt touch ooa ever

[queen sail]

Who does tbh

[fervent zealot]

exactly

[tired haven]

Just a list of weapons will go, there are only 8

[fervent zealot]

that's why buff ooa drops hueh

[lost agate]

The buyable stuff are pretty fucken strong

[queen sail]

Betsy’s drops is literally the best reason you’ll go there

Atm at least

[lost agate]

The actual drops, i think only aerial bane and betsy wings are something to look for

[queen sail]

But the issue is more of the event tbh

[night cradle]

^

[tired haven]

I mean, yes, but fixing the event itself is far more effort

[queen sail]

Generic mobs, a few minibosses per se, and let’s not forget

[lost agate]

The issue also comes from the fact theres literally no indicator to know OOA got a buff post golem

So a lot of people dont know it even exists

[tired haven]

(tavernkeep's shop)

[queen sail]

The ungodly long buffer between each wave because you have to be more prepared for even more generic mobs :)))))

[tired haven]

But nobody looks there so

[lost agate]

Yeah but who checks taver-yeah

[queen sail]

Oh boy

[lost agate]

Its like, we have this entire event and we didnt bother notifying you

[clear basin]

To the latest suggestion, I say make burnout on death much more punishing

[queen sail]

And even if you did find the event it’s so tedious and boring with so little reward early on that there’s barely any incentive to do it again

[lost agate]

Yeah

Also, afaik burnout already kills death adren if it goes totally stale

So buffing that more is asking for death adren to end up doing literally nothing if it goes stale

[clear basin]

Idk man

@balmy jewelvs figure it out ig

[distant gyro]

[clear basin]

Ah well

[queen sail]

Use high iq to properly use death adren or suffer

[lost agate]

Ah yes ping devs when one is here

[tired haven]

Or get brimmy cocoon and commit armageddon use during bossfight

[lost agate]

Lemme go check smth real quick

[clear basin]

Shucks- ah forget it

[lost agate]

burnout to 165% on death
Yeah no

I can accept removing burnout on rev but not buffing it on death

[swift bison]

Masodeath already exists

[opal barn]

[clear basin]

Masodeath is ass so no

Bad suggestion

[queen sail]

No

And also why

[ashen warren]

Geez Chill out It's a SUGGESTION

[terse sundial]

[ashen warren]

THAT'S WHY ITS CALLED THAT

[terse sundial]

calm down

[ashen warren]

They just called my idea trash just for no reason

That's why it's called a suggestion

[terse sundial]

critiquing a suggestion doesn't mean it's trash though?

[ashen warren]

Look up

[terse sundial]

suggestions are taken seriously here, that's why people are critiquing it

[ashen warren]

"Serious"

"Masodeath is ass so no"

"Serious"

[terse sundial]

i've already told you to calm down

[ashen warren]

Just saying, how is that "serious"

[terse sundial]

some people are more mature than others

[queen sail]

Still consider the fact that 1) This does not improve the mod in any way whatsoever, 2) Fargo server doesn’t have a very good opinion of Calamity and 3) Death isn’t a good mode anyways

[terse sundial]

now, there really isn't much of a reason behind your suggestion, also ^

[ashen warren]

I was gonna say it in this channel

[terse sundial]

say what?

[ashen warren]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oAG_0bEtc3zy2u6nvzG54lu-KenPONhATvgRlFl9rFs/edit?usp=sharing

I made this...

[queen sail]

This suggestion more or less sounds like “I want muh difficulty and suffering so combine two mods that have difficulty modes”

[ashen warren]

Some people out there want challenge

[terse sundial]

can you explain to me what that doc is?

Death mode is a challenge to many people

[ashen warren]

yeha

and Death + Masochist is an even bigger challenge

[queen sail]

Death mode is more or less there for people who pretty much just want to flex

[plucky matrix]

Death isn’t a good mode anyways
hm?

[ashen warren]

And the spreadsheet is just showing what tit would be like

[terse sundial]

there is already some fargo-calamity connections

[young fog]

squints in defiled shroom death nohits

[queen sail]

It’s mostly just added difficulty on top of significant changes added in rev

[terse sundial]

there still isn't a reasoning behind your suggestion

if you have one, add it to your suggestion by editing it in

[ashen warren]

My reasoning is so that we can have a harder challenge and maybe some fun

[worthy raptor]

I hate having fun in video games

[ashen warren]

So that some viewers can watch their favorite YTers try to defeat the challenge

[tired haven]

Wait who loves fun in video games?

[terse sundial]

so the point is to create a mode for content creators?

i'm not sure that I'm following

[ashen warren]

Yeah, and as I've clearly been saying, for everyone to have a harder challenge and more contemt

content*

[terse sundial]

so you created a suggestion to make content creators suffer?

[ashen warren]

No wth

LISTEN

[terse sundial]

you're not being clear here, also once again I told you to be calm

[ashen warren]

I've clearly been saying it's for a harder challenge for everyone

I've been saying that the whole time

[terse sundial]

then edit that into your suggestion

[worthy raptor]

imo playing with masomode and death on is already a good way to achieve what you want, and a better way for the mods to integrate if such a thing were to happen would be for the mods to spread their already existing mechanics to the enemies and bosses of the other mods instead of making all new mechanics to accompany it

[ashen warren]

That more than the content creator idea

Idfc anymore

^

[queen sail]

Terry’s mostly in charge of masorev/death compatibility anyways so

[ashen warren]

Screw this

ignore my suggestion

[void kelp]

it’s basically already in existence

[ashen warren]

go on with life

idfc anymore

[fervent zealot]

why though

most of the compatibility goes on fargo's end, not calamity's

[ashen warren]

My bad

hold it

I accidentally pressed enter

[swift bison]

everyone on the fargo's community either is or pretends to be strongly anti calamity

mostly pretenders

[ashen warren]

how?

[swift bison]

like almost everyone there pretends they hate calamity

only on that actual server tho

[ashen warren]

calamity bad

[fervent zealot]

calamity bad

[hearty plaza]

im anti calamity because of melee bloat and summoner starve

[ashen warren]

is literally a meme at this point

See, not only Fargo's community

[fervent zealot]

it's kinda past its prime by a few months

[hearty plaza]

i've considered my answer and that answer is no

[ashen warren]

Bruh there's no way you read that all

I just put it on

[lost agate]

And yes the calamity bad meme

[radiant meadow]

Not really a fan of this

[hearty plaza]

you fool, you don't know how fast i read

[radiant meadow]

especially considering all of the other priorities we have

[lost agate]

Or the fact not even terry wants to go beyond what we have for compatibility

[ashen warren]

i draw the line at making both mods' ai changes work

[lost agate]

Pretty much

So no, im not gonna star that cuz that just aint gonna happen

[bitter topaz]

if it’s just a flat no i may as well remove the stars

[lost agate]

Also thats very much a specific suggestion

And if you look closely a specific item suggestion

[ashen warren]

Lordbidoof, there are 10000 people online and about 5 people said something

[lost agate]

Not all 1000 people talk

And youre not gonna have the opinion of all them

[queen delta]

@ashen warren nice

[ruby cobalt]

in fact, it's barely 200/40k that exist here

[lost agate]

Just accept it

[fervent zealot]

:gringe:

[worthy raptor]

@ashen warren smh we had already managed doing that

[ashen warren]

5 oit of 10000 people online

@queen delta @worthy raptor damn yall watchin

[worthy raptor]

my eyes, disguise

you wouldn't have seen them even if you wanted to

[queen delta]

balls? smalls

[lost agate]

Wat is happening lol

[fervent zealot]

hell

[ruby cobalt]

a leak that rustled jimmies

dw, it'll fix itself soon

[tired haven]

I'd just say that the additional difficulty is better formed by the player than by modes like that, especially a collaboration between both hard modes with different approaches

[bitter topaz]

yes, but terry gave it a no and he effectively co owns fargos
just accept the fact that your suggestion sucks

[ashen warren]

5/10000

[ruby cobalt]

you may leave now

[worthy raptor]

I just think if something like a collaboration between fargo's and calamity was gonna happen it would involve masomode giving effects to calamity bosses, which even then I don't think terry has much of an interest in doing

[tired haven]

I think it's not 5 anymore

[queen delta]

[lost agate]

Idek if hes just trolling or what

[fervent zealot]

5 of 10k people cared enough to respond

perish

[ruby cobalt]

hey, you're just 1 out of 10000, who would care if you got muted or banned?

🤔

[tired haven]

I see at least 8, actually

[ashen warren]

i guess even if fabsol came down and directly said no, that doesnt matter because he's also only 1/10000, need the other 9999 lurkers to speak up first

😔

[tired haven]

1 of them being the dev that is directly affected by suggestion-- yea

[dusty stirrup]

Alright anyway we don't need another mode in this mod, and basically everyone here's been against this suggestion (alond with it having its reactions removed), we can move on now

[lost agate]

Mhm

[hardy wing]

[worthy raptor]

salutations farg man

you're late

[fervent zealot]

greetings compadre

[dusty stirrup]

[tired haven]

Imagine being a late lurker

One of the 9995

[queen delta]

Hello fargwilta

[hardy wing]

OWO ?

[queen sail]

Surprised that we attracted so many know people with one suggestion

Including both of the meme men themselves

[ashen warren]

insane/misery mode would be cool to see just because of more difficulty

[queen sail]

:echthink:

[dusty stirrup]

Or we could just fix deathmode

[ashen warren]

MrAtomicFox your late its already screwed

its done

not a sugggestion

[dusty stirrup]

Anyway yes, no need to go back to this subject

[lost agate]

[ashen warren]

oh good 😂

[worthy raptor]

honestly for more difficulty couldn't there be something like damage being changeable in the funny txt for editing boss health and lethal lava n'd stuff?

[queen sail]

That was a sugg in #suggs but it didn’t get anywhere iirc

[worthy raptor]

ye i'm not surprised

the amount of difficulty options avaliable both with the standalone mod and by mixing them is ridiculous

[queen sail]

I mean tbh you shouldn’t really play mods with extensive content together

[hardy wing]

Funny stats increase txt mod????

[queen sail]

If people want cross content, that’s up to the devs on both sides

[hardy wing]

Cross compat is already hell itself just with enchants exploding every update
Imagine a whole mod variant to keep track of

[worthy raptor]

imagine modding

[hardy wing]

Imagine finishing stream @worthy raptor

[worthy raptor]

touche

[lost agate]

I think that the consensus of that dmg thing just ended like "whats the point if amping it a bit may get you instakilled already and that condition, why not just use armageddon"

Pretty much nothing really challenging nor fun, just make you die faster

[queen sail]

chlorophyte bullets

lag

I get a shit ton more lag out of terra bullets than chlorophyte ngl

[void kelp]

do you have dust set to minimum?

[sand umbra]

the thing of it is that Chlorophyte Bullets shit out a retarded amount of dust without specifically setting the relevant graphics option lower

shouldn't need to reduce the overall quality of the game just to not lag

h

[queen sail]

Is that why they have a cool trail or smth

:echthink:

[sand umbra]

yes

the trail consists of approximately five billion dusts per bullet

[sand umbra]

isn't this the whole point of shrine items

although I can totally see it being more for consistency with Jungle Shrines

multiple of these can spawn per world, easily

[placid moth]

Yeah, that could speed up the process if I didn't have to dig through the entire Desert

[civic pond]

and in some cases the shrines dont even generate

[placid moth]

They don't ?

[civic pond]

last playthrough i did

literally illuminated the whole fucking place

[placid moth]

Relatable

[civic pond]

used cheats afterward, and still nothing

[swift bison]

change chloro bullets to having a much less laggy but equally cool afterimage trail iirc

[hallow kraken]

The desert shrine doesn’t generate in small worlds

[primal cairn]

Crystyl crusher alt fire just destroyed part of my castle, however I think people have already complained about crystyl crusher alt fire being too dangerous, should I just not post a suggestion about this?

[hallow kraken]

Don’t post

[primal cairn]

Ok

[lost agate]

i thought luxor was one of the easiest to find

[primal cairn]

Hey

[tiny agate]

maybe instead of having more shrines spawn, it could be an extremely rare fishing drop?

[primal cairn]

So I just found out that eidolists can spawn as soon as you enter hardmode, and according to the wiki they can drop the eidolon tablet whenever, even if you haven’t killed golem or something

[opal barn]

That's the point of them yes

[primal cairn]

Couldn’t someone summon the celestial pillars pre mech bosses?

[echo pond]

Yes that's intended

Yes

[primal cairn]

Isn’t that a bit game breaking?

[opal barn]

Try beating them pre-mech

[fervent zealot]

calamity is anti linearity

[opal barn]

Not that easy as you might think

[fervent zealot]

you can do cultist pre mechs but it's not very feasible

golem as the first hm boss and then cultist is god though

[echo pond]

You're free to try to kill LC as your first Hardmode boss

You can also skip the Mechs and fight Plantera, or skip Plantera and fight Golem

[primal cairn]

Shouldn’t it only drop eidolon tablets like post plantera if ectoplasm only drops post plantera? What if someone who didn’t know what the item did used it and they were stuck with celestial towers at the start of hardmode?

[hallow kraken]

Also should mention that suggestions about the non-linearity changes are banned

[primal cairn]

Oh

[fervent zealot]

people don't accidentally kill cultist pre mechs

[echo pond]

If someone didn't know what it does, they're not beating Lunatic Cultist

[fervent zealot]

and again, people also don't accidentally wander into the dungeon in hardmode but pre plant

[primal cairn]

I keep on forgetting about the cultist part

[teal ibex]

yeah if you summon cultist you know what youre getting into lol

[tired haven]

I don't see anyone beating cultist but being stuck on pillars

You literally, just, kill 100/150 mobs of your class pillar and get a weapon

[fervent zealot]

^

[primal cairn]

for some reason my brain keeps on telling me that it just summons pillars and skips cultist

I thought I was an idiot but I didn’t know I was this retarded holy crap

[hollow saffron]

Calamitas Boss rework

Of course, after attempting to alleviate the plight of players who get a zombie-pigmanlike swarm of starborne worms trying to dissect them for anatomy class, why would I not go on a revamp of Clonelamitas? The boss is clearly just a reworked Retinazer, and its concept isn't very original as a result. Given that in the lore, the clones of Calamitas were made in her style(albeit lesser forms anyway), I felt it would be time to rework the fight a bit.

Phase I(100-75%)

Clonelamitas spawns into the world. Instead of being a blatant Retinazer clone, she will have two different attacks: a brimstone fireball that slows down over time and can travel through blocks, and a slow brimstone bomb that slows down and eventually explodes into mini Brimstone Darts if it hits a block/after 5 seconds(like the Scal fight). During this phase, she has moderate defense.

Phase II(75-50%)

At this phase, Cloney becomes 'enraged', much like the current fight. She gains some defense and her brimstone fireballs can explode upon hitting the player, At 70%, she summons a Catastrophe. Catastrophe has the ability to shoot homing missiles at the player, and will typically remain a bit further from the player than Calamitas.
Phase III(50-30%)

Upon reaching 50% health, Calamitas will summon the ring of Soul Seekers. Soul Seekers will summon Life Seekers every so often. Life Seekers, much like their name, will track down the player - upon damaging the player, Calamitas will gain a little bit of health back. When she reaches 40% health, she will summon Cataclysm. Cataclysm stays a bit closer to the player than Calamitas, and will summon Brimstone Hellblasts(like the ones in the Scal fight, but nerfed) that slowly accelerate over time.

Phase IV(30-0% health)

Upon reaching 30% health, Calamitas will move a bit faster and periodically charge at the player. When she reaches 20% health, she will ressurect both of her brothers as well as 5 Life Seekers. She will summon 10 Life Seekers upon reaching 10% health, and her projectiles are fired a bit faster. This continues until she is killed.

Expert mode: Calamitas gains 50% DR when her brothers or Soul Seekers are alive.
Revengeance: She attacks more aggressively and is invincible during the brother/soul seeker phases.
Death: Calamitas' slow brimstone bombs summon more projectiles upon exploding. Life seekers will heal her faster, and homing projectiles home a bit better.

pls tell me if the wiki's description of the bossfight is outdated

[hollow shell]

I realize you've submitted suggestions like these before
however
that doesn't stop it from being incredibly specific

[hollow saffron]

Oof

So should I just cancel it lol

[sand umbra]

keeping this in mind

don't mind me, just looking for inspiration as usual

[hollow shell]

(to be honest your Astrum Deus suggestion could have been much more compressed
like "Have smaller groups of worms spawn at points in the main worm's health instead of all at once, similar to the Perforators, to reduce lag, etc")

Do you think you could sum up the kind of changes you're looking for in Calamitas?

[hollow saffron]

fair

1. Rework her attacks to be less Retinazer-like, and do the same for the brothers. Have some sort of inspiration frmo the Scal fight
2. If it's not already a thing, have Clonelamitas' defense and attack speed increase with each phase.
3. Have the life seekers actually heal the clone, come on its in their name.
4. Make the brothers stay closer/further from the player than the clone does.

[sand umbra]

things I'd like to see changed about Clonamitas:

• make phase 1 not bootleg Retinazer maybe
• make Catastrophe not an asshole a.k.a. don't have him spawn during seekers (I made a suggestion based around this fact the other day)
• make Cataclysm's fire breath not extend 5 miles away from Cataclysm himself

and that's about it

[hollow saffron]

So should I post the list version tbh

[fervent zealot]

yes

[hollow saffron]

with the difficulty-based changes

yeah, i think its less specific and more consise

[hollow shell]

Preferably not verbatim

but

[hollow saffron]

like it doesnt pass the character limit

[hollow shell]

yes

[fervent zealot]

part of the reason specific item suggestions died was also to avoid huge formatted out things that blot out the sun and everything under it

[hollow saffron]

fair

wait wdym by verbatim

[hollow shell]

Word for word

You could adjust it a bit is what I'm sayin

[hollow saffron]

ahok

[fervent zealot]

aka condense it down to occupy as few rows as possible™

[hollow saffron]

lol

[hollow shell]

nu

[fervent zealot]

realistically speaking the best way to get views, and therefore stars, is to be as concise as possible so it's always in your best interest

[hollow shell]

Alternatively people see a lot of words and go "ooo this sure is well-thought-out, it's probably good" and star it

[hollow saffron]

Lol

[fervent zealot]

yeah but that also blots out other suggestions which is the coroporate way of doing things

[hollow saffron]

But if it's an entire dissertation then it's probs not good

[sand umbra]

I thought the best way to get views was to be funny while still getting to the point

and also bolding important shit

[hollow shell]

yeah I'm not sure if there's any reason why suggestions should take up multiple messages due to character limit anymore

[fervent zealot]

if your suggestion is that long use a google doc

[hollow shell]

m
but, I dunno what could even go in a doc now

[sand umbra]

funny how I often did that starting out

and never got enough stars on my suggs until I stopped doing it

[fervent zealot]

well yeah almost nobody reads docs
still beats taking up pages of suggestions with just one suggestion

[frosty kindle]

generally as of recent, if a suggestion is long enough to warrant a doc then it shouldn't be posted in the first place imo

[fervent zealot]

that's true but shh we're not trying to scare off the bad suggestions today

[frosty kindle]

since either people aren't gonna read it or it's too complex and/or specific

[hollow saffron]

Calamitas Boss rework

Of course, after attempting to alleviate the plight of players who get a zombie-pigmanlike swarm of starborne worms trying to dissect them for anatomy class, why would I not go on a revamp of Clonelamitas? The boss is clearly just a reworked Retinazer, and its concept isn't very original as a result. Given that in the lore, the clones of Calamitas were made in her style(albeit lesser forms anyway), I felt it would be time to rework the fight a bit. However, typing out entire PhD defense statements for a rework(like I did for AD) is entirely too lengthy, so I thought I'd summarize the changes I would like to see in a list, and include some difficulty based changes as well.

** - Rework her attacks to be less Retinazer-like, and do the same for the brothers**. Preferably some sort of inspiration from the Scal fight would be welcome, like how Scal has homing gigablast projectiles that explode into brimstone darts.

• If it's not already a thing, have Clonelamitas' defense and attack speed increase with each phase.
  ** - Have the life seekers actually heal the clone, come on its in their name.** What's the point of calling them life seekers if they don't even heal the clone?
  ** - Make the brothers stay closer/further from the player than the clone does.** This would probs add a bit more character to the fight, by having one brother be able to stay further/closer to the player. (It's also a thing in the Scal fight too.)

Expert mode: Calamitas gains 90% DR when her brothers or Soul Seekers are alive.
Revengeance: She attacks more aggressively and is invincible during the brother/soul seeker phases.
Death: Calamitas' attacks deal more damage and inflict Brimstone Flames for longer. Life seekers will heal her faster, and all homing projectiles can home in better.

is this better

oh no its still an essay 😔

[fervent zealot]

you can probably just obliterate the first paragraph and put it into a summary at the end

[hollow saffron]

fair

[fervent zealot]

or just gut all the non bolded text and have your reasoning paragraph be condensed

[queen sail]

Tbh i’d like it if Calamitas currently wasn’t just The Triplets

[hollow saffron]

Calamitas Boss rework

** - Rework her attacks to be less Retinazer-like, and do the same for the brothers**. Preferably some sort of inspiration from the Scal fight would be welcome, like how Scal has homing gigablast projectiles that explode into brimstone darts.

• If it's not already a thing, have Clonelamitas' defense and attack speed increase with each phase.
  ** - Have the life seekers actually heal the clone, come on its in their name.** What's the point of calling them life seekers if they don't even heal the clone?
  ** - Make the brothers stay closer/further from the player than the clone does.** This would probs add a bit more character to the fight, by having one brother be able to stay further/closer to the player. (It's also a thing in the Scal fight too.)

Expert mode: Calamitas gains 90% DR when her brothers or Soul Seekers are alive.
Revengeance: She attacks more aggressively and is invincible during the brother/soul seeker phases.
Death: Calamitas' attacks deal more damage and inflict Brimstone Flames for longer. Life seekers will heal her faster, and all homing projectiles can home in better.

Of course, after attempting to alleviate the plight of players who get a zombie-pigmanlike swarm of starborne worms trying to dissect them for anatomy class, why would I not go on a revamp of Clonelamitas? The boss is clearly just a reworked Retinazer, and its concept isn't very original as a result. Given that in the lore, the clones of Calamitas were made as, well, clones, it doesn't make much sense that the clone has entirely different, out-of-whack attacks and AI from the real thing.

[queen sail]

With every post tronix comes closer to outwriting the bible

[hollow saffron]

kirby you should have seen the original sugg

[sand umbra]

yet you'll never outwrite me

[frosty kindle]

:WeirdFlex:

[queen sail]

Silence, train

[hollow saffron]

ok, imma post it
if you have any objections speak now or forever hold your peace

[sand umbra]

I'S NOT A TRAIN

REE

[hollow saffron]

i guess that means no objections then

[sand umbra]

no objects

[queen sail]

Ye ig

[sand umbra]

and no ions

[hollow saffron]

😳

[sand umbra]

so yes, no objections

[queen sail]

P sure doppelcal hasn’t received any significant changes lately besides changing the phase switch

[sand umbra]

aside from post-Provi variant becoming more difficult in coming update, which we still don't know the implications of

the last major change to the Calamitas Clone was at least a few updates ago

[hollow saffron]

harder postML phase

[sand umbra]

and it was making there not be a billion brothers in the fight

[queen sail]

And ye her fight is more or less just the Terraria fan idea of The Triplets

In concept

[sand umbra]

anywho I'm keeping all this in mind regardless of what happens

[quick ice]

Woah, my enemy change suggestions have been noticed this time

Also the Clonelamitas changes sound nice, I’m not sure how current fight is but making it similar to S-Cal would be nice, so long as they both differ a little bit

[hallow kraken]

What I was thinking of before making my Cal suggestion was a charge attack that fired projectiles in four directions while charging

Also, imagine if the brothers were more aggressive with their charges

Like low HP EoC

And what about an attack where Cal circles around the player, firing projectiles while doing so, and charging at the player at a random direction when the circling is finished?

[karmic stone]

not worth

[sand umbra]

@ashen warren have you tried it against AS and Desu

[karmic stone]

[sand umbra]

if not, I advise you to do so

and just against multi-segment or large bosses in general

Kelvin Catalyst given more than one opportunity to hit is pure, unadulterated

[frosty kindle]

real hours with the Kek Catalyst

[lost agate]

kelvin not worth
kelvin too op
im getting really mixed messages

[ashen warren]

[queen delta]

Kelvin Catalyst is one of the few non-exo weapons that take a lot of grinding to make

Let's keep it that way

It's really good too, so the grind is worth it

[frosty kindle]

the grind is absolutely worth imo

[queen delta]

Kelvin Catalyst made early-hardmode melee good again

[ashen warren]

well, maybe not as low as I put it but still it's a really annoying grind for a weapon that you stop using in late/end-hardmode

:V

It's pretty much a weapon like apoth and drata in terms of recipe

[queen delta]

Ever since Icebreaker became rogue, melee early-hardmode was incredibly bad

Then don't get the weapon

[ashen warren]

Which means that it's pretty cool

[queen delta]

Pick another one

[ashen warren]

I really like kelvin tho

[lost agate]

if the recipe gets lessened then kelvin gets the big boot

[queen delta]

Then endure the grind

[ashen warren]

hm

[queen delta]

If you nerf the recipe, the weapon just gets kicked back down to the same level as the other weapons

And melee becomes bad again

[ashen warren]

perhaps it could be a less painful but more demanding recipe progression-wise, without naming any specific materials on my part

[queen delta]

wym?

[sand umbra]

you either get a massively viable but hard to obtain weapon or an easy to obtain but not so massively viable weapon

pick one

[queen delta]

Most of early hardmode melee weapons are filler and as easy as a drop from a boss, enemy, or bought from permafrost for a few measly coins

[frosty kindle]

fab usually has the thought of making a weapon stronger for its tier depending on how hard the grind/RNG gate is

[queen delta]

Let's keep Kelvin special

[frosty kindle]

for me, the RNG-locked weapons come as no problemare reasonable even if some don't have good luck

[queen delta]

fishbunjin has the kiss of RNGesus so naturally he loves rng

[ashen warren]

I have terminal RNGitis

[radiant pawn]

so you want the kelvin grind to not be satisfying?

[foggy grove]

Is there a 2nd requirement to have a suggestion sent to the devs other than 90 stars?

[terse sundial]

no

it's not automated

[foggy grove]

Ah ok

thx

[terse sundial]

we have to do it manually

[queen sail]

I’m late to this but Kelvin Catalyst is a donor wep so anything affecting it needs approval from the donor themselves iirc

[distant gyro]

Patron originally wanted Frozen Key in the recipe

[foggy kindle]

[granite owl]

bruh face

[queen delta]

Cryo drops frozen key so uh not that rare lol

[worthy fiber]

20% chance anyways iirc

[tired haven]

More than cryo stone so w/e

[queen delta]

It’s already happening next update iirc

[sand umbra]

this is happening next update, yes

[worldly saffron]

Made my first suggestion, what do you all think of it?

[sand umbra]

read what I just said

this is already gonna be a thing in the upcoming update

[worldly saffron]

ah

sorry, didn't know what you were replying to

since it's redundant I'll just delete it

[hollow saffron]

imagine reading #changelogs and sending your suggestion here before posting it

[hearty plaza]

what was the suggestion

[queen delta]

Pretty sure that change wasn’t listed in changelogs tho

[sand umbra]

it's not

lol

[foggy grove]

So I'm currently trying to rebuild the entire abyss to bring some more purpose to it and make a suggestion about it, so I put together a list of the things the abyss does very well and the things that are a bit lacking:

Pros:

• Amazing atmosphere, fits very well
• Great progression throughout the game, from the first exploration around Skeletron to the final adventures around Polterghast
• Difficulty in navigation. Some may see this as a downside, but it adds to the general feeling of the area

Cons: (Pretty much the borders)

• Border on side of abyss feels very unpolished and thrown in, doesn't even adjust to voidstone near the bottom
• Bottom border of abyss is literally a flat sheet of voidstone
• Bottom interior of abyss feels too rough and angular
• Layer 1 feels absolutely useless and is easily forgettable. Whenever I'm playing the game, I always think of the abyss as 3 layers and not 4 since the 1st layer is pretty much an empty nothing that just leads to the 2nd layer. Also it is sometimes massive on large worlds...

I'm trying to keep the good things about the abyss while adjusting the lacking things to make them better. I've already redone the borders, but I don't entirely know what I should do with the 1st layer. I want to make it more than just an empty layer with nothing in it, but still have it just be a lootless transition to the deeper sections. What do you guys think should be there?

[sand umbra]

imagine reading changelogs before telling someone to read changelogs

okay so actually

why is layer 1 completely irrelevant

literally one of my biggest issues with the Abyss

layer 1 ain't shit

make it possible for things to spawn in layer 1 and we good

[foggy grove]

I was thinking of changing the worldgen of layer 1 entirely

Since currently it's just an empty drop

So I started with filling the entire thing in

[sand umbra]

see, here's the biggest issue with the Abyss

and by extension, the Sulf Sea

there's like no room for them to flourish

because Terraria oceans are small as all mother fuck

a lot of the issues with both actually stem from that fact because they both directly rely on the Dungeon-side Ocean

[foggy grove]

Well I'm pretty much changing anything I can, so if you have any suggestions about the abyss, whether it requires increasing the side of the ocean drastically or not, I'd like to hear it

[sand umbra]

see here's the thing

[foggy grove]

I want to see how "cool" I can make it

[sand umbra]

unfortunately, it's not exactly something the devs can reasonably fix with the tools currently available

[foggy grove]

I'm aware of that, this is mainly just for fun

[sand umbra]

or at least, not within my realm of knowledge

[foggy grove]

And as a proof of concept for maybe in the future when they can take a few ideas here and there to improve it

[sand umbra]

if Journey's End adds fatter oceans I will back this wholeheartedly

the Abyss is near top dog on my list of Calamity biome favorites, second only to the Astral Infection

and even then, the Abyss feels the most complete of the...three? four? Calamity biomes

by an honestly pretty wide margin

[foggy grove]

Yea, the other 3 biomes lack a lot imo

They are really cool and I like the ideas, but you only really use them once in a playthrough, just for a few items or a boss, then never again

[sand umbra]

...oh yeah the Sunken Sea exists

[foggy grove]

Yep

[sand umbra]

that makes it 3 others then, ye

Astral Infection is nice but still needs something more

[foggy grove]

The astral infection was a step in the right direction in terms of biomes, compared to the Astral meteor alone, but it still needs a little more

[sand umbra]

Brimstone Crags are

[karmic stone]

I finished my draft

[sand umbra]

and Sunken Sea is kinda just there for Amidias and Clam Crusher

[karmic stone]

Are you done or should i wait a tad bit

Dont wanna interrupt this sugg's convo

[foggy grove]

I mean, I never got any suggestions to what I should do to my abyss

I know the devs won't make the abyss look like mine, but I want to see how I myself can improve on it as a whole

[karmic stone]

Suggdisc time it is then

[sand umbra]

no

[karmic stone]

Give Plantera and Polterghast resistance to true melee weapons

As of today, both fights can be stalled at p1 very easily until adrenaline is ready, Plant can be decimated with either the SubShocker or the Fetid (no), and although the same thing could be done on Polter, the available weapons just won't cut it (no pun intended) before Polter noms you completely.

That would have been the case if it just hadn't happened for 2 of the 4 best armors for true memeing to be available around this stage, the first one being Tarragon armor, what's the set bonus you ask?, well, it's really simple, you gain extra life regen sometimes when hit, obviously this absolute unit of a set bonus will change the tide and trivialize the fight if you do the adren-build strategy (refer to: first paragraph).

It also kinda gives you 75% fucking DR on the press of a button, probably, i don't know.

But after you meme Polter one time, what's next? You obviously won't change armor to farm it since Tarragon is obviously the perfect armor for Polter.

Except for the fact Bloodflare's Blood Frenzy just, exists, giving you a decent a amount some fancy Damage Reduction (Dee arr) and guess what, extra melee stats.

TL;DR Read the whole thing you piece of sub-human true memelee

🚕vasion

[foggy grove]

[sand umbra]

okay so let's not make true melee even more irrelevant than it already is

yes? okay good

Polterghast is literally the last boss aside from maybe Cosmic Discharge or Mourningstar vs. Yharon where true melee is considerably relevant/viable

[karmic stone]

My other option was to just nerf Tarra and Bloodflare, but that came to your point

[sand umbra]

and for the latter there are infinitely safer options

hell, for Polter there are infinitely safer options than Stellar Striker or Holy Collider

[lost agate]

Isnt true melee vs these two missing suicide?

[karmic stone]

As of now Plant and Polter are a 30ish seconds fight if you try it

[lost agate]

You literally run into a barrage of projectiles or getting eaten

[sand umbra]

true melee in late-game as a whole has a tendency to be just taunting fate

[foggy grove]

What difficulty are we referring to here?

When I did Death Mode, they would both basically one shot me if I got too close, I can't imagine true melee would be good in any case

[sand umbra]

trying to do it on even just Expert is suicide

[lost agate]

Hell nin said melee would suck vs new plantera until i reminded him floodtide exists

[fierce hedge]

Add more items maybe for Post Polter Sunken Sea

[sand umbra]

sunken sea

[fierce hedge]

Or Post ML

[foggy grove]

Sunken sea just needs an overhaul in general

[karmic stone]

I forgot to specify this is rev/ and mostly death in the sugg

[tired haven]

As true melee expert I can only say to that suggestion
Trying to limit already subpar on most bosses class is kinda anticlimactic
And it's not like you can do that with no setup whatsoever either

[fierce hedge]

Oh a bit off topic but congrats on mod @tired haven

[sand umbra]

[lost agate]

But yeah

[sand umbra]

[lost agate]

If youre taking rippers memes in the equation then uh...

[sand umbra]

SuperHot take: rippers should never be used as a baseline ever

[lost agate]

Theres several other safer weapons that could do the same but a lil slower

Why cripple true melee of all things

[sand umbra]

because Rev rippers exist sorta and Death rippers are just a meme

and there's no point in limiting a variant of melee that is already pitifully subpar in most cases even further

[lost agate]

Also remind what good true melee weapon is there for plant

[queen delta]

fetid baghnakhs and mantis claws ig

[sand umbra]

mantis claws are post-pl0nt

[foggy grove]

You basically have to be inside of them for that tho

[queen delta]

oh right

[lost agate]

Yeah claws have -1 range

[sand umbra]

yeah fetid shredclaws have the range of a fucking peanut

[queen delta]

fucking peanut

[tired haven]

Sub shocker mostly

[sand umbra]

all of the claw weps have virtually no range

[karmic stone]

I tested both a bit before drafting the sugg and i still feel like their fights are sex easy with this strat and Pre-[X] gear

[sand umbra]

Sub Sandwich Shocker just shits all over Plantera from what I remember

and I mean, with all due respect, Add

you do realize most people don't even bother with true melee in the first place, right

[karmic stone]

Specifically both fights, like true melee has a Mt. Everest sized spike in víability

[sand umbra]

because the point is that there are infinitely safer options

[lost agate]

The whole point of true melee is hitting like a truck

[sand umbra]

and getting hit the same way

[lost agate]

Yes

[sand umbra]

it's the unfortunate truth of true melee as it is right now

[lost agate]

Its hard to decide which way to go

Tanky af to resist more or glass to hit harder

[tired haven]

the answer is taking the best from both, at least last time I played

[lost agate]

One makes you survive the other is only good if you stack a crap ton of dmg

[sand umbra]

and then there's Mutilator which lets you do both at the tail end of Polter's fight

[lost agate]

Only at the end sadly

[sand umbra]

ye

[tired haven]

To be fair if you are able to survive other 80%, might as well

[karmic stone]

with all due respect
Not offended by any of this, no, i personally still stand by my point, but ofc i'm gonna receive the appropiate feedback

So in conclusion, should i bother to give it a shot?

[lost agate]

And like if u kill smth so fast with true melee, then gg, you overbuffed yourself enough for that to happen

[tired haven]

There is nothing inherently wrong with that suggestion, I'd have even agreed if it was some other class without the facetank part

So probably go for it

[karmic stone]

Will do, thanks everyone for the feedback

[lost agate]

Idk true melee balance is very iffy

Almost every boss can die almost as quickly if you do it well

[wary flume]

Removes Melee Damage

[karmic stone]

What

[lost agate]

I think you meant throwing

[sand umbra]

fun fact: melee is secretly also throwing

[lost agate]

Ono

[karmic stone]

Redcode momentum

[sand umbra]

the devs added throwing as a fakeout

[queen delta]

Could you make the TL;DR less snarky and rude?

[sand umbra]

[karmic stone]

Kay kay

[wary flume]

Solar pillar is being changed for mining

[lost agate]

Wh

Why did you even put a TLDR

If it was gonna be that

[wary flume]

When I figure it out I am going to create the biggest meme mod

[foggy grove]

This may cause some to get upset, but...

thoughts?

[hollow saffron]

what

clean that corruption ffs

[foggy grove]

That's astral infection

[tired haven]

Modified entrance into the abyss
it's astral infection

[hollow saffron]

breh

also i dont think that entrance fits

[foggy grove]

The problems I have with the abyss were the borders and the entrance, so I'm trying to fix both

Borders were EZ, entrance is really hard

[karmic stone]

Would love for layer 1 to be more interesting, but making a maze-like structure the entrance would make it really hard for the first visit and really annoying for future visits

[foggy grove]

Im trying to figure out what looks good and actually has a purpose for existance unlike the current layer 1 abyss

[hollow saffron]

how is the entrance hard

[karmic stone]

Oxygen memes

[tired haven]

I'm controversially neutral about that suggestion, which means no because coding nothingness is bleh

[hollow saffron]

recall potion memes

set a bed in the acid sea

[tired haven]

How is recall gonna solve oxygen problems?

[karmic stone]

Wh
Why would you recall immediattely every time you enter

[hollow saffron]

also gills potions

amidias' blessing

sirens heart

[tired haven]

Yeah because not getting hit in a maze is even easier than in open space

[hollow saffron]

arctic diving helmet

[foggy grove]

How do you guys think about this change I made as well?

[hollow saffron]

that change i can accept

[foggy grove]

Well do you have any specific ideas for the first layer I could try? It seems like the general consensus is that the first layer is useless and needs something, but I can never get anyone to suggest anything

[tired haven]

🤷 seems just about the same for me
Is there anything inherently wrong with the cone and slightly floating shrine in current worldgen?

[hollow saffron]

first layer needs enemies

[foggy grove]

The floating shrine Im fine with, I just tried something new
The cone also isn't inherently bad, it's just the roughness and angularness of it I don't really like

It doesnt feel natural

[wary flume]

This is suggestions not general talk or am I missing something

[hearty yew]

@karmic stone if a boss is too easy with a cheese strategy why would we help you?

[foggy grove]

This is "suggestion discussion"

[hearty yew]

I don't understand why you say help

[foggy grove]

My suggestion is abyss changing, and we are discussing it

[wary flume]

Uhuh ok

[tired haven]

(btw the "help" is a joke, kind of)

(almost like "fixpls")

[foggy grove]

Yea, the cone shape and floating shrine isn't too bad on it's own

Just the coded worldgen feels too off

[karmic stone]

I used the stall p1 argument as a rough example, this can be done in any normal battle if you get adrenaline and decide to use it on any viable true melee weapon, then let either Tarra's/BFlare's set bonuses do their work

[hearty yew]

Yes

This is because calamity tries VERY hard to make true melee viable whenever possible

Cause fab really likes it

A lot of the time it's only viable through cheese because bosses are extremely mobile projectile fountains

But I guess the idea is "This being viable with cheese is better than it not being viable at all"

I don't really agree with that since the set bonuses can be abused

Especially tarragon

[karmic stone]

I still feel like both fights are stupidly easy with only 30ish secs of dodging stuff and a few more secs of true adren, but i know where you're coming from

[queen delta]

Well yeah if you gear up well and go straight into their face and use everything you got against them, while having tanky stuff, it would become stupidly easy

[quick ice]

maybe nerf true Melee a little, but a big-nerf would make it harder to playthrough with than it already is

[queen delta]

True melee was already nerfed a ton

[lost agate]

yeah remember old holy collider

[tired haven]

I miss times when I was able to have 500k dps on scal

[lost agate]

and pre melee speed cap stellar striker

[tired haven]

It was almost legit strategy due to being forced to stay in the middle to pull that off

(not completely because baghnakhs had 2000hp/s restoration)

But now the striker barely has 60-100k on regular targets

Neither the dummies work in the fights

[radiant meadow]

does it need a buff?

[tired haven]

Probably not. I'm just missing the old one

(and there is no proper weapon for scal like I wanted for a good year now)

[radiant meadow]

true melee working on scal would require some super fat long ass sword

[tired haven]

or icicle that acts like a regular sword

It's pretty much edge case but at least there is sufficient damage source without being melted by scal face when she dashes

Fun fact: earth/animus damage is certainly not enough to make anything good out of her dash

[radiant pawn]

just make a true melee blade that ignores DR

[sand umbra]

bros

[radiant pawn]

[sand umbra]

not only do swords beyond a certain size not exactly animate correctly when swung

but to make a sword that big would be nothing short of completely impractical

[tired haven]

just say it will look dumb, I don't think there would be many against that point

[sand umbra]

I mean yeah that too

[tired haven]

30 blocks long sword

[stoic elbow]

i finished true melee recently pls add

everything DoG and afterwards is just not fun anymore

[radiant pawn]

add a true melee sword that shoots a projectile that reaches SCal

[stoic elbow]

Should just make the Dragon Pow a true melee weapon

[civic pond]

nope

no can do

it spits projectiles everywhere

[stoic elbow]

There's a lot of true melee weapons that activate projectiles on hit like the dragon pow

[civic pond]

but DP already fires them regardless iirc

[radiant pawn]

and dragon pow wouldnt count as true melee

[jovial spire]

It still hurts mu mind that DP counts as true melee

[radiant pawn]

it does?

[civic pond]

no

[queen delta]

Yeah fsr

[radiant pawn]

but its a flail

[civic pond]

it doesn't?

[tired haven]

It does but as a bug

[queen delta]

It benefits from true melee bonuses

[civic pond]

oh

[radiant pawn]

How is a flail true melee

[civic pond]

I know whip flails and normal flails count

[jovial spire]

All non projectile flails are true melee

[civic pond]

i dont want to get into this argument again aa

[stoic elbow]

A flail is a melee weapon

[tired haven]

too bad, we are rolling in

[jovial spire]

DP, however, is a flail with projectiles

[civic pond]

ech.

[tired haven]

Yep

[radiant pawn]

so it counts as True Melee? Because those projectiles spawn ON HIT

or what

[civic pond]

Flails are a good example of true melee that allow you to do considerable true melee damage without getting close to a boss for instant death.

[tired haven]

It has sparks on swing

[jovial spire]

It still has natural projectiles yeah

[radiant pawn]

Ooh

[stoic elbow]

hey at least it might make true melee actually fun past a certain point

[tired haven]

Petals appear on hit yes

[civic pond]

Cosmic discharge then

[stoic elbow]

its not very fun when DoG (seemingly?) ignores i-frames and when bosses are just scripted to always keep a certain distance from you

[tired haven]

Too bad cosmic discharge is like 5 blocks short off scal face

[radiant pawn]

Dash + lmb

[civic pond]

not true

i cant get past the brothers phase with it

[radiant pawn]

you chug those 5 blocks off difference for a second

[stoic elbow]

flails being true melee would just be fun

i dont see whats wrong with it

[civic pond]

some of them already are.

Bottom line is, flails with projectiles are not true melee

and they cant be unless they dont already fire them

[radiant pawn]

Dragon Pow counts as True Melee but doesnt

[stoic elbow]

but DP spawns projectiles on hits doesnt it

[radiant pawn]

Yes

[stoic elbow]

then why not true melee

[civic pond]

it spawns then naturally too

without hits

iirc

[stoic elbow]

does it? 🤔

[radiant pawn]

But it also shoots projectiles when swinging it

[stoic elbow]

i didnt realize that

[civic pond]

ya

[radiant pawn]

Apparently

[lost agate]

becuase of the sparks that almost do nothing

[civic pond]

so its not true melee

[stoic elbow]

idk just remove the sparks then

[civic pond]

but a bug kinda makes it one

[stoic elbow]

now true melee has a fun weapon for scal

[civic pond]

i think you'd have to ask the patreon to do that

[stoic elbow]

oh its a patreon weapon

[civic pond]

its a donor item after all

[radiant pawn]

So dragon pow is the good true melee for SCal?

[civic pond]

also melee already has a bjalaiganellion options for scal

cosmic discharge

🔫

[radiant pawn]

Oh shit right dragon pow is donor item

[stoic elbow]

I didn't even know cosmic discharge existed

[civic pond]

rev drop from devourer

[tired haven]

~~isn't the patreon also the dev or I messed them up? ~~

[stoic elbow]

I must've just ignored it then

whoops

[civic pond]

thats as close as you get to true melee afaik

the dev?

[queen delta]

Buildmonger is the patron of dragon pow

[civic pond]

ye

[tired haven]

yes, I confused it with something

w/e

[civic pond]

now im confused

we

[tired haven]

whatever

[civic pond]

yep ok

end of discussion 🏃

[tired haven]

Now I need to think how to fit 6th melee exo weapon without being shamed for the rest of my life

[civic pond]

another patreon item?

😔

[queen delta]

exo spear

[civic pond]

ok actually

[foggy grove]

exo gun 👀

[tired haven]

Exo true melee spear
Sounds unholy

[civic pond]

nadir?

doesn't count

but spears are cool

[queen delta]

Honestly, a true melee sword that actually absorbs ALL enemies and bosses on every swing

making true melee scal possible cuz every swing pulls her towards you

[civic pond]

succ sword

[queen delta]

Exo tier of course

[tired haven]

The big succ sword

[civic pond]

ok but honestly

[tired haven]

woo yeah

[civic pond]

the only solace i have for true melee

is shield bonking

[tired haven]

Shame that you can't even deal sufficient damage then

Since your weapon will touch enemy for like 5 frames

[civic pond]

sad

[radiant pawn]

Exo Scythe

gamers rise up

we need an exo scythe

[tired haven]

How about an exo flying knife?

[civic pond]

gay ngl

[tired haven]

smh

[radiant pawn]

chad scythe vs virgin flying knife

[tired haven]

friendly reminder that using that as degoratory term is not acceptable in most communities

[radiant pawn]

wait does flying knife count as true melee

[tired haven]

It doesn't

[civic pond]

ech fine

[radiant pawn]

i was getting worried

[civic pond]

but how about something that isn't Exo melee

[tired haven]

unless..

[civic pond]

what was that

do my eyes decieve me

[radiant pawn]

i took my own L

exo torch

[swift bison]

exo scythe is celestus

[sand umbra]

Celestus is not a scythe

it is a boomerang

[lost agate]

Its a boomerang scythe

Or how we call it over here, a scythe you throw

[sand umbra]

[lost agate]

you can throw scythes believe it or not

[hearty yew]

all scythes in calamity are either swords or boomerangs in disguise

this is not a problem

because it's consistent with vanilla

nanoblack reaper is a "boomerang"

[lost agate]

theres no defining trait for scythes other than their sprites

[random flume]

i would kill for a potion that highlights projectiles

plaguebringer was so aids cause i just couldnt see his stingers

[distant gyro]

tbh omniscience potion should do that so it actually becomes relevant

[tired haven]

It is already relevant

ye it should, maybe as a special bonus effect like yharim stims

[sleek wadi]

A potion like that would help for Cryogen as well. Small projectiles+Blizzard=

[distant gyro]

make omniscience potion see hostile projectile hitboxes

[sleek wadi]

wtf why does everything look like minecraft now

[tired haven]

because terraria is 2d minecraft
chuckles and wants to cease

[shut mango]

Well, AlchemistNPC already has Greater Dangersense for a long time. It makes all enemy projectiles glow in yellow.

[sand umbra]

and?

[hollow shell]

So we know it's possible I guess

[severe vapor]

I recognize two of the people here and almost worship one as a god

[ashen warren]

It does have issues though.

[severe vapor]

It sounds like a good idea

[proven tide]

in later-game it dulls projectiles

[ashen warren]

It tends to fuck with projectiles in a not nice way if there are shaders.

[proven tide]

early hm it's alright for cryo and brimmy and as

[ashen warren]

Specifically ones like moonlord and so on.

[proven tide]

but with things like the ml's eyebols

[ashen warren]

Leviathan though.

[proven tide]

is bad

[severe vapor]

So it's a good idea on paper but not actually a good idea

[ashen warren]

The way alchnpc dangersense works.

yes

[zenith hazel]

I can see this getting usage for like really small projectiles tbh

[shut mango]

Excluding some projectiles may help here

[zenith hazel]

but like, most projectiles are decently sized anyway

[ashen warren]

Hi alchnpc dev

[shut mango]

Not the best place for meeting, but ye, hi!

[wary flume]

It would only be useful for slow projectiles imo because alot of the games projectiles are fast and large, most are also clearly visible

[ashen warren]

see also: stingers from pbg

"slow"

[shut mango]

It was created specifically for Queen Bee's stings, PB stings and Aquatic Scourge toxic clouds.

[wary flume]

If toxic clouds don't scream Visible I don't know what does

[zenith hazel]

the problem is that pbg’s projectiles aren’t even small, the stingers are just small and kinda hard to notice

[shut mango]

Toxic Clouds were invisible in nighttime before

[zenith hazel]

it’s like the same case with hive mind’s blobs but that’s getting fixed soon

toxic clouds are visible now

[wary flume]

The stingers from pbg may be harder to see but you if you know the attack it is fairly easy to avoid them

[zenith hazel]

doesn’t change the fact that they’re hard to see

[wary flume]

What is the point of adding something for a single boss though?

[zenith hazel]

if pbg’s offscreen then it’d be hard to predict her attacks, meaning you wouldn’t even notice a small ass stinger coming towards you

[wary flume]

There is already an accessory that helps do the pbg fight anyway I don't see a reason to add a potion for a single boss

[zenith hazel]

it’s not just pbg, it’s ravager too

[shut mango]

Specifically doesn't mean that it can't be used for some other bosses.
EoW Vile spits are affected as well.

[zenith hazel]

the sparks that come from its legs are sometimes hard to see, meaning you could run into them

[ashen warren]

technically speaking most post-ml weapons are made for just 1 boss

[wary flume]

^^ I somewhat disagree but yeah

[zenith hazel]

in that case, why not suggest making those projectiles easier to see?

[wary flume]

I didn't even know there were sparks I have accidently nohit ravager aswell so yk

[ashen warren]

[zenith hazel]

weird flex but ok

[wary flume]

Not trying to flex

But ohkay

I feel asthough it would be easier to make the stingers and sparks easier to see instead of making a potion that some people could potentially see as broken

[zenith hazel]

that’s what I just said

[wary flume]

I extended on what you said

Stingers could get an off green glow for example that differs to the background colour idk

[ashen warren]

Just give them a glowmask iirc

[wary flume]

I have no idea how modding works 😄

I just play stuff made

[ashen warren]

It's what makes things glow

[wary flume]

Yeah

[ashen warren]

like the lights on destroyer

[wary flume]

yaw alright

[zenith hazel]

bruh I would’ve loved that when I didn’t have mod

[ashen warren]

brahv

Part of me has no idea why it wasn't already a thing ngl.

[zenith hazel]

but then again, role hierarchy exists iirc

[tired haven]

That's actually smart way to go around discord role hierarchy limiting color choices

[frail mantle]

the Oracle exists