suggestions-discussion

[zenith hazel]

afaik no

but this is not the channel to ask

[wary flume]

Well I was about to make a suggestion based on the answer so I was unsure on where to ask sorry

[ashen warren]

It teleports to my base after i try to kill it and inevitably fail forcing me to flee

[zenith hazel]

wdym new weapons and “depth”?

[wary flume]

You get crappy weapons out of the bag atm so adding new weapons for each class to the bag will give off a new feeling

[ashen warren]

and even if i dont attack it it still kills my npcs

[wary flume]

It will add more depth because there is more choice at the start of the game

[distant gyro]

it's a starter bag

what more do you expect

[zenith hazel]

they’re supposed to be starting weapons

[wary flume]

I understand this

[ashen warren]

yup

[zenith hazel]

also slime staff isn’t even bad

[distant gyro]

slime staff is literally the weapon you stick to for your first 2 bosses (as a summoner)

[ashen warren]

its the best weapon for desert scourge

[wary flume]

Most people who don't do class runs will always stick to the 2-3 strongest weapons

So why not remove them from the bag and make "Calamity" starter weapons

[zenith hazel]

ok so what’s the reasoning here, I’m confused

[wary flume]

It isn't reasoning for say just a suggestion

[ashen warren]

you're not supposed to focus on a single class at the beginning of the game

[wary flume]

Kortix players do though lmao

[ashen warren]

you focus after WoF

[wary flume]

I focus off spawn

[ashen warren]

I do it also but theres no reason for changing the starter kit

[wary flume]

But there isn't no reason either

Why not have something new at the start, have something that shows what is to come with such a large mod

I still come across new players today

[zenith hazel]

there are, you just have to find them

[ashen warren]

there isn't a reason, you can craft almost all weapons necessary immediately

[zenith hazel]

the starter weapons are supposed to give you a boost in terms of power unlike vanilla

[ashen warren]

wulfrum knives are new

[zenith hazel]

the weapons will help you progress and lead to even better choices

[ashen warren]

yup

[wary flume]

Bravi you are thinking on similar but different lines here but sure

[zenith hazel]

like for melee, you can make do with a copper broadsword and then move on to wulfrum blade and such

I just don’t understand what your logic is here

[ashen warren]

it's pretty easy to get any weapons after the sarter bag

[distant gyro]

does any mod actually provide a modded gear straight away? imo you should start off from vanilla and work your way up to a modded weapon, which is why wulfrum enemies are directly the next thing to get and accessible right away

[wary flume]

Have something NEW that is the logic the bag is aids the only reason I open it is to get the revengeance and deathmode items

I rarely use the items in it I just don't attack until I find something better

[ashen warren]

it's a STARTER bag

[zenith hazel]

so what, do you not use slime staff or wulfrum knives when you go summoner/rogue?

[wary flume]

so why not make STARTER calamity items instead of STARTER vanilla items

I hate wulfrum knives idk why

[ruby cobalt]

because that bloats the mod

there's already enough shit, we don't need any more

[zenith hazel]

because starter calamity weapons require effort from using your vanilla weapons

[wary flume]

@ruby cobalt when you play what weapons do you tend to use? Vanilla items?

[distant gyro]

it's not like having vanilla shit in your loadout makes it inherently bad

[ruby cobalt]

I tend to use fucking whatever

[ashen warren]

bud when you start you should start with vanilla weapons

[ruby cobalt]

because I give 0 (none, zero) fucks about whether it's from calamity or vanilla

[ashen warren]

Calamity weapons are extremely powerful

[distant gyro]

you do know the "haha calamity op" bandwagon right?

[ruby cobalt]

the only distinction is calamity shitting on vanilla's non-existent balancing

[ashen warren]

and vanilla weapons aren't bad

[ruby cobalt]

that's the only distinction I make between those

[distant gyro]

having calamity items in the bag only fuel that "calamity op than all other mods" mentality people have from 2016

[wary flume]

Altix why not make similar retextured beginning items instead of the nostalgic same Re-logic shit then?

[ashen warren]

yup

whut haze?

[distant gyro]

because that would make them bootleg, unnecessary filler items

[ashen warren]

why would you retexture vanilla items which do the same stuff?

thats literally just extra work

for the same payoff

[wary flume]

"Similar"

Here comes hectique

[teal ibex]

i VISCERALLY and AGGRESSIVELY reject this aew suggestion

[distant gyro]

bootleg kinda shares a meaning to that

and :hueh:

[wary flume]

lol k

[ashen warren]

why would you need to have similiar weapons?

[ruby cobalt]

"variety"

[ashen warren]

when you can have the same ordinary weapins?

[ruby cobalt]

"flavor"

[ashen warren]

what use is variety and flavour for the same stuff?

[wary flume]

But it isn't Kortix

[ruby cobalt]

b-but variety

[ashen warren]

its like creating a hundred options for a game which has the same ending

[wary flume]

Think of it like this, If you did not witness this arguement you updated calamity opened the bag and you got new stuff how would you react?

[ruby cobalt]

"thank fuck we got ANOTHER sword that nobody's going to use"

[ashen warren]

not very diffrently to the original

[zenith hazel]

“oh hey weapons that I can use for a class pt”

[wary flume]

Yous haven't forgotten about shit yous are all thinking how yous were knowing about this lol

[ruby cobalt]

yeah, yeah

[teal ibex]

or peeps have inherently differing opinions on gameplay

[ashen warren]

if i opened a new bag with slightly different stuff i wouldn't be like OMG NEW STUFF AWESOME! I'd just look at it as the same old stuff and find something better

the game is about progression bud

[zenith hazel]

I don’t even know what the argument is

[ruby cobalt]

there's none at this point

feel free to shut it down

[wary flume]

About a suggestion that people take so literally it is amusing haha

[zenith hazel]

aren’t suggestions supposed to be taken seriously?

[distant gyro]

welcome to #suggestions-discussion

[teal ibex]

my greatest issue with expanding the starter bag is that its effectively a placeholder -- you get the gear to start out and are intended to branch further into more interesting junk

[ashen warren]

suggestions are supposed to be taken seriously

thats the purpose

[teal ibex]

shoving the interesting junk into the bag skips an important part of early game

at least to me

[ashen warren]

^

[zenith hazel]

if you explain it better, then maybe we can have a civil discussion

[wary flume]

Hectique it can still be cool and all but not powerful can just give a new feeling to that branching out, if the items in the bag were made to give "Insight" on what's to come players will make faster choices and stick to something throughout the game instead of being unsure due to the large variety.

[teal ibex]

if its cool but not strong peeps are not gonna want to stick with it anyway. upgrades are upgrades, and as sucky as that is, its the meta for most players

insight at such an early game phase is not really very terraria

[wary flume]

Why not make starter weapons that contribute to end game and flow on with the upgrades?

[teal ibex]

classes truly gain their identity in hardmode, not preboss

[wary flume]

Something like the crystalline it is somewhat powerful then gets weaker but it goes into the celestus (dunno how that is spelt)

[distant gyro]

I don't think the casual player makes slow choices in the first place anyway. They have what they think of in mind, or just improvise it altogether.

[teal ibex]

calamity already has expansive weapon lines

[distant gyro]

Wulfrum Knive does go to Celestus

you do know that

[wary flume]

yeah

[teal ibex]

also ye LOL

[wary flume]

But that is it is it not?

Slime staff is OP early game as someone said but that either gets lost in storage or sold

[teal ibex]

this doesnt really hold as a point though. at this point youre arguing that earlygame items should upgrade instead of being relevant to the starter bag

which is an idea that i dont necessarily disagree with, but is tangential at best

[ashen warren]

The beginning of terrari is a rapid progression stage so any interesting items given to the player will anyways be discarded

[wary flume]

Ok wulfrum knives upgrade throughout the game

why not anything else?

[teal ibex]

why is this relevant

[wary flume]

Rogue is new and all but it shouldn't be special why not add the other items or "Similar items" to that process

[zenith hazel]

how is this related to the starter bag thing again?

[teal ibex]

i thought we were talking about expanding the starter bag, not weapon lines

[distant gyro]

^

[wary flume]

I still am lol the one modded weapon you get from the bag goes end game everything else gets trashed give the other items some love they kick start the game rofl

[teal ibex]

im down for expanding weapon lines but its unrelated

not every item is going to upgrade, otherwise its a huge hoarding struggle

[distant gyro]

everything gets trashed eventually, it's only natural

[teal ibex]

some weapon lines start super early, some start later

[distant gyro]

why give emphasis to the starter bag in particular

[wary flume]

Because starter bag gives 3 useful items

[teal ibex]

its not inherently bad to have things start in various point of progression, no?

[wary flume]

No hectique it isn't but the copper broadsword does nothing but iirc the wooden sword does?

[distant gyro]

copper and wooden are relatively the same strength

in fact, all wood/ore are relatively equal

[wary flume]

Wooden goes into the biome blade does it not, copper does nothing?

Why not get a wooden sword to start?

or do you i honestly dr

[zenith hazel]

then why not clarify that in your suggestion?

[teal ibex]

this makes more sense but also contradicts your suggestion since it mentions specifically "new" weapons

[zenith hazel]

also again, not all weapons need to have upgrade lines

it’s most likely copper to maintain consistency with vanilla giving you copper tools to begin with

[teal ibex]

so like, making starter bag have weapons more closely associated with calamity upgrade lines is... fine, but should be clarified

[distant gyro]

Why should the first weapon you obtain have an upgrade line again?

I can not see the point

[wary flume]

Shouldn't be it is juust how this has gone .-.

[zenith hazel]

only for 1 case

[teal ibex]

tbf in the wooden v copper case its far more interesting if a player looks into the future crafting line

but besides that HUGE shruggies

[distant gyro]

thing is ore shits aren't usually upgraded in the first place

[wary flume]

I never said originally anything we are going on with, just have some cool new gimmicks early on to screw around with and make start a little cooler because it is the same shit every time

[teal ibex]

again, you should have to work for the cool stuff

[zenith hazel]

it’s supposed to be like that because they’re starting weapons

[wary flume]

Why make it better than what's to come though?

You shouldn't lol

[zenith hazel]

wdym better than what’s to come?

how is a copper broadsword better than a wulfrum blade or redtide sword

[distant gyro]

what's better anyway?

the only case for this is the slime staff

[wary flume]

HectiqueToday at 7:56 PM
again, you should have to work for the cool stuff

Yeah this is correct but why make wanted "NEW" items better than what's coming

[teal ibex]

what point are you making

[zenith hazel]

yeah I’m confused

[distant gyro]

same here

[teal ibex]

i never said they would be better than whats coming

[ruby cobalt]

make BRAND NEW CALAMITY WEAPONS WITH COOL SHIT but make them worse than what you can get 10 minutes in

[wary flume]

Yous don't have the minds of a casual player ahah bye

[distant gyro]

in pre-boss you climb a rung in the ladder

[teal ibex]

im giga casual what

i just also like to work for my cool items LOL

[distant gyro]

you get a weapon that gets trashed in 10 minutes because you find a better weapon

[zenith hazel]

we are trying to approach with a casual standpoint, but it’s not helping if you can’t explain your reasoning well

[distant gyro]

that is only normal and starter bag is no exception to that

[wary flume]

New is always fun why not add something early on to entice new players to continue

[distant gyro]

you encounter wulfrum enemies right away so I don't see how players are not enticed?

[teal ibex]

maybe its best if you did cease the discussion, honestly. youre just talking in circles

[zenith hazel]

that’s why new players have to go on to get all the new stuff

[teal ibex]

make a point and stick to it or change your suggestion

[zenith hazel]

you can’t just give them broken cool weapons at the beginning of the game and call it a day

[wary flume]

Read Suggestions lol

[distant gyro]

find a strong and working argument and I'll return

[teal ibex]

understood

[wary flume]

omfg WHY DO THEY HAVE TO BE POWERFUL ASAP

Yous are all seeing it as someone requesting broken weapons straight off the bat

[distant gyro]

for now I'm unconvinced

[teal ibex]

youre using a strawman to make a point and its not working

[zenith hazel]

so what do you want to add that entices people to continue besides starting weapons that already scream “hey we’re pretty bad, but we’re gonna help you get the stronger stuff”

[teal ibex]

you argue that they should be cool and interestinf, were saying you need to work for that

were not saying your idea is broken items. were saying that for new, cool content you should need to play the game for more than 10 seconds

[brazen bramble]

^

[wary flume]

And yous said make or break this pov (Read Suggestions)

Can you see the suggestion anymore

[zenith hazel]

I don’t even...

[teal ibex]

understood, moving along

pls no kill aew bug

i lov

[wary flume]

lol k

goodbye 😦

[zenith hazel]

screw it, I’m ending this discussion now, it’s going absolutely nowhere

[teal ibex]

goodbye friendo

[ruby cobalt]

thank you

[brazen bramble]

i think it the suggestion should have the enemy's full name

i had no idea what AEW meant until i read the discussion

[teal ibex]

i think the suggestion should be DELETED and im not biased youre biased how dare

[worthy fiber]

Suggesting to fix bugs 🤔

[brazen bramble]

actually yeah, that's a bug, no need to suggest that

[ashen warren]

Would anybody be averse to an accessory that removes the negative effects of mana sickness, ideally crafted in early hardmode?

[wary flume]

It is called a mana regeneration potion, and don't use a mana flower etc

[frail mantle]

If it has a downside it sounds interesting

[wary flume]

Mana sickness is there to reduce players from smashing things at a constant rate with maximum damage

[frail mantle]

Which is why an accessory that provides immunity to it should have a downside

[ashen warren]

Maybe, if it's equipped you can't get crits with magic weapons/crit chance is lowered immensely. Or it could decrease your rate of fire making it a bit slower to use mana. I wouldn't give it a magic damage nerf though because that would make it effectively redundant because it would be no better than having mana sickness.

[wary flume]

Crits are powerful though that almost seems useless considering you already have mana regeneration potions which are already quite powerful and barely limit your attacking time

[ashen warren]

Maybe, instead of negating mana sickness, the accessory could simply stop you from using mana if it would cause you to use a mana potion, so when your mana gets low you automatically stop firing until you have enough mana to do so.

..that's just default behaviour

oh, damn

[proven tide]

that's what happens when you run out of mana

You can't continue firing with no mana, only when you have enough to use the weapon.

That's its entire gimmick.

[ashen warren]

I forgot about that because I usually use a mana flower and mana pots

[lost agate]

@waxen panther rng can be a bitch thats what is happening

The drop rate is 4 times bigger than regenator already

[hollow shell]

Can confirm with source code
Cryo Stone is 1/10, Regenerator is 1/40

Don't use your personal experience alone for making suggestions about RNG, kids.

[lost agate]

^

[clear basin]

Isn't the aew thing a feature

(correct me)

[hollow shell]

I don't think it is, no.

[clear basin]

It should be, it's a classic at this point

Patching it would be dumb

Just make it so the aew can't kill your npcs or smth

[hollow shell]

[clear basin]

Hold on lemme not say the same thing twice

[loud steeple]

Brain fart time,what's aew?

[opal barn]

Adult Eidolon Wyrm

[loud steeple]

Ahhh

[clear basin]

Frequently asked questions

[worthy raptor]

It teleporting with you is the best thing ever though

[clear basin]

^

Besides, then we'd make hectic sad

[proven tide]

AEW is such an unintuitive acronym, to be honest

[clear basin]

True but what else you gonna call it

[proven tide]

Adult Wyrm

[lost agate]

You know AEW means Adult eidolon wyrm right

Because theres 2 eidolon wyrms

[rugged mist]

its bad to pronounce

i think is what theyre going for

[lost agate]

Well you dont pronounce it, you write it

[rugged mist]

well yeah but if someone types AEW you'll naturally read it as "Ayyy eeeee doubleyou"

i personally dont really think its a problem or anything but i think thats what they were saying

[clear basin]

Just use your brain and consider what an aew can be

[zenith hazel]

why are we having an argument about a god damn acronym?

[clear basin]

True

[queen delta]

[rugged mist]

maybe juvenile wyrm should be renamed to eidolon wyrmling

[queen delta]

or JEW

[rugged mist]

yes

[clear basin]

^

[rugged mist]

"Help im trying to explore the abyss but i keep getting attacked by JEWs"

[zenith hazel]

ok let's not go there

[rugged mist]

I mean thats what the abbreviation is

its not an offensive word

[zenith hazel]

I get it but still, let's not go there

[lost agate]

[loud steeple]

@rugged mist

[rugged mist]

[radiant pawn]

Who is AEW

oh yea eidolon wyrm

un

you are not supposed to use RoD on abyss and then teleport, nor recall home when he spawns

Adult Wyrm only despawns when you are absolutely dead

besides, its truly nostalgic for him to follow you home

[rugged mist]

I mean tbh I can see it as being something people would hold against the mod

It comes off as less of a punishment and more of a silly and somewhat buggy feature

[lost agate]

Btw yesterday i did the suggestion that asked for the hitbox fix of wind blade AND visuals

[frail mantle]

nice

[lost agate]

Wind blade isnt borken near walls anymore

[brazen bramble]

the problem with the acronym is putting it in a suggestion that is supposed to get votes and expect 89 people to know/look up what AEW means

[radiant pawn]

aew sounds like aerial epiphany wail

[tired haven]

I read it as a-e-vee

[clear basin]

Adult Eidolon Vyrm

[hearty yew]

reading the starter bag discussion quite literally made me sick to my stomach

[signal prairie]

[radiant pawn]

Wsit what

Was there a starter bag discussion?

[hearty yew]

a while back in this channel yes

[hollow shell]

We sure have been getting a lot of arguments in here recently

[lost agate]

[hearty yew]

onyx excavator key is fundamentally broken because unlike drill mount it doesn't actually dig, it just deletes blocks

[hollow shell]

How hard would it be to make it dig?

[hearty yew]

not very

just looking through some vanilla spaghetti

[hollow shell]

Sounds like it'd be a good change

[hearty yew]

copying how vanilla drill mount declares damage versus blocks

this would also let us allow its pickaxe power to scale through the game

[hollow shell]

Instead of manually coding locks

[clear basin]

Why isn't that already a thing lol

[hollow shell]

The way we do it now is easier

more straightforward code

[clear basin]

True

[hollow shell]

We'd have to delve into vanilla source to find out how to do it the DCU way

[clear basin]

Doesn't luiafks drill mount use the same vanilla code

[hollow shell]

I assume so
Its still got the laser lines and is literally called "Improved Drill Mount"

[clear basin]

I think it would be cool if the oyxn key had the vanilla code, could make it more friendly for other mods

[hollow shell]

That's not as important of a reason

[clear basin]

Yeah that is true

[hollow shell]

but, I suppose it is a reason

[clear basin]

Ig put it on the to-do list, but put it at the very bottom

It's a minor priority

Or I guess you could say

A miner priority

[tired haven]

This joke really grinds my gears

[clear basin]

Thank you everyone, thank you

[frail mantle]

:lefunny:

[tired haven]

[queen sail]

Unique Content for the Post-ML Blood Moon.

Reason: Honestly, the Blood Moon buff just exists for no reason except muh lore. It was because Blorbs were formerly post-ML, but since they’re now obtainable at any point in the game, the post-ML Blood Moon buff is kinda just...there. Given that the Buffed Moon events (and possibly the Solar Eclipse as well) are planned to get new content, this should too. Otherwise the post-ML buff shouldn’t really exist.

[karmic stone]

Just yoink the Blood Nautilus from 1.4 tbh

[jovial spire]

muh lore
Acually there is no lore reason

[queen sail]

Smth smth xeroc watches more intently iirc

[sand umbra]

excuse me while I yoink this suggestion because hot damn do I feel the same way

Blood Moon literally gets nothing new in Clam aside from a single material

[queen sail]

🔫

[jovial spire]

Used to be the case

[queen sail]

Give me my sugg

[jovial spire]

not anymore

[sand umbra]

which, if you're used to farming potion materials anyway, never really sees any use

[karmic stone]

Xeroc watches more intently
Sounds like a really good headcanon

I mean, why wouldn't he? You just killed Steve

[queen sail]

Like sors already told me that post 🐶 frost/pumpmoon are getting revamped Pumpkings and Ice Queens

[jovial spire]

Yeah, it does make sense.

[sand umbra]

...I need to actually
think of Blood Moon shit

[queen sail]

And we might get a revamped mothron or a new darksun enemy by that logic

[sand umbra]

imma go do that after I'm done with the other thing I'm doing

h

[karmic stone]

post 🐶
Hueh

[queen sail]

But for god’s sake if you’re gonna revamp existing shit give it something unique besides stat buff memes

[sand umbra]

anywho I mainly came in here to assert how much I agree with your sugg because Blood Moon in general needs something new

all the buffed events need new things, new loot

new enemies question mark?

[karmic stone]

The stat boosts right now aren't even noticeable

[queen sail]

Frost and Pump are accounted for

[sand umbra]

but anyway, that's all I came in here to say

so now I go

[karmic stone]

You really like that emote don't you

[queen sail]

We’re getting revamped Pumpkings and Ice Queens (and their sprites are being worked on)

[rugged mist]

i have an entire folder of bhear gifs

[queen sail]

Behold

Posted

[sand umbra]

behold

your new sugg's first star

[swift bison]

Scal's charges should honestly leave some form of fire trail in rev+

[sand umbra]

[karmic stone]

Hueh NK Grimm Hueh

[swift bison]

or better yet, replace her charge attack with a deathray attack hueh

[rugged mist]

SCal deathray

[swift bison]

:fear:

[rugged mist]

SCal charges while leaving behind a fire trail and firing a deathray all at the same time

[swift bison]

SCal charges create a deathray and leave homing fireballs in her wake

but srsly SCal could use a deathray attack imo, but ik that's never going to be added

[rugged mist]

with the way the fight works i think a deathray would lead to too many situations where you can't avoid taking damage

[karmic stone]

Tbh, if you use the CotBG then SCal charges are really meh and make no sense for her to use them

It's really hard for her to hit you with those, and even if she does, CotBG will reduce the damage by half, and by the time you fuck up and get hit by a charge again it's really likely the Core's cooldown had already passed

So whenever she charges she's really vulnerable for no reason

[swift bison]

What if one of SCal's bullet hell attacks had her go to the middle and shoot deathrays at the player sort of in the style of BOTW guardians

[rugged mist]

[swift bison]

:fear:

[dusty stirrup]

The charges only really exists for true melee people to get some hits in ngl

[lost agate]

Or people that dont know what her going transparent means

[versed mica]

00

[swift bison]

if that's the case why not make it a real attack?
or let me do it in postAI()

[lost agate]

Its a real attack

Or youre gonna tell me she does no dmg when doing so?

[swift bison]

what i mean here is that without some sort of extra effect few people actually get hit by it in my experience, so it's not as much of a threat as the other attacks

[lost agate]

I died several times to it

Too many to count actually

So...

[swift bison]

my argument is invalid

I have got hit by it a grand total of 10 times in my ~100 rev and death Cal attempts

[lost agate]

It still catches people offguard and can actually hit you

So i dont see how its not a real attack

[swift bison]

That was a bad use of words on my part, what i meant was it wasn't a real threat to the level the other attacks are (based off of my Cal experience and what i have seen of others)

[lost agate]

Exploding bullet isnt that hard to dodge if you know what youre doing, hellblast is trivial until you reach the floor or roof, and the mobile phase can be dodges with ease if you know what youre doing

Screw up on luring scal on dashes and you can kiss her good bye

[night cradle]

Not really imo (to what Seraph said)
The charge is fast, rather punishing and catches people offguard, as Shucks said
It has a telegraph, but even with it the chances of getting hit by it increase as SCal usually performs other attacks before charging

[lost agate]

And the only thing a trail of fireballs does is just adding clutter and unnecesary blockage

Imagine she dashed near the roof, well now youre cornered between the roof and the fireballs

OH and she sometimes dashs even 4 times

[swift bison]

Alrighty, another theoretical idea: What if SCal had a deathray attack below 50% life

[night cradle]

Also there's the thing that the dashes become more dangerous after moon spawns due to the less space to maneuver in
With the trail or deathray it would be... rather annoying to dodge

Especially if she dashes more than 2 times

[lost agate]

Deathray.

Why even

remind me why does scal need a buff?

[tired haven]

Easier than yharon smh

[night cradle]

She's already hard enough as she is right now imo

[hollow shell]

Somebody's been playin too much Maso

[lost agate]

People saying easier than yharon can go in the subjectivity hole for all i care :ech:

[swift bison]

The deathray attack wouldn't be combined with the dash, and this is theoretical talk, she doesn't need a buff

[frail mantle]

tbh SCal doesn't feel like the kind of boss where a death ray would fit

her fight is more about firing many small projectiles or summoning creatures to fight for her, not massive attacks like death rays

[swift bison]

Eh, i'd say the complete opposite, a massive fire laser as a desperation attack at low life would fit perfectly, and only better when she gets a human sprite

[lost agate]

Why would she even use a deathray?

Why does she even need a deathray?

You dont just "bam deathray"

Youre blocking paths on an already crowded fight :emotion:

[rugged mist]

[elder mist]

'You don't just bam deathray' @ masomode 😔

but yes you can't just slap deathray on anything and call it a day

DoG laser wall with deathray

[rugged mist]

Death ray wall

[hallow kraken]

Also a deathray would be easy to dodge against Scal, practically just RoD

[smoky wagon]

Being forced to use RoD is bad difficulty

[lost agate]

Waste a rod you could use for other attacks yes

And yes forced rods

[elder mist]

Not only unfunny, but also stale and contrived.

[lost agate]

Also ein, remember mother board?

[elder mist]

That is to say, that's a dumb idea.

Oh if I do.

PTSD alert

[frail mantle]

Death ray fits for Maso Retinazer because it already fires lasers, death ray fits for ML because he mostly focuses on projectile attacks and it's fitting for the final boss of the vanilla game, death ray fits for Prov because it feels like she's focusing sunrays into one devastating beam

[elder mist]

Deathray fits for prime cause prime laser

is all that I got

from that

[frail mantle]

it would just feel out of place for SCal

[elder mist]

"because he mostly focuses on projectile attacks"

scal

[frail mantle]

yea i guess that's true

[rugged mist]

Death ray fits for ML because it's his signature thing

[elder mist]

No, deathray just in general fits ML.

Exactly.

[smoky wagon]

Scal is screen gore so anything that is large and instant area denial doesnt work from a gameplay prespective

the monster orbs are slow af and they are already a threat

[elder mist]

3rd and especially 4th orb aren't exactly slow

[smoky wagon]

Slow compared to a deathray

[lost agate]

The last one is very fast believe it or not

[elder mist]

4th is just a tiny bit slower than you at max speed with celestial tracers, yeah

[smoky wagon]

I never noticed that

[elder mist]

The reason it doesn't catch up to you is because it has weak homing, it takes it's fat time changing directions

[lost agate]

^

Thats exactly why circling is best strat to counter them

If the homing was more tight, trust me, all hell would break loose

[elder mist]

[quick ice]

Since Kirby brought up the post-ML event buffs, could someone tell me what he meant be new content being confirmed in a future update for these buffed events?

[queen sail]

Revamped Punpkings and Ice Queens

[gusty geode]

Why not just entirely new enemies

[hollow shell]

cough

[zealous ridge]

that's what i always thought they should do

when they have the time to dedicate an update or two... i would love to see entirely new events in place of the buffed moons/a revamp to the enemies of the post ml blood moon

i mean, there's not much to suggest simply because it may be too specific and hard to implement quickly (not the best, considering the precedents devs set for these things), but its an interesting topic i feel

they being calamity devs

[lost agate]

cough

[zealous ridge]

since its a fairly tall order i dont expect much work to be done on it right now considering dev priorities (draedon, yharim, scal, rogue)

[karmic stone]

Imagine touching multiplayer redcode

[sand umbra]

when you suggest something that quite frankly is not feasible without some inane code fuckery

you cannot fix multiplayer 🧀, and certainly not with a method like this

which would only bring up an avalanche of issues with how retarded Terraria multiplayer is at a fundamental level

[swift bison]

what if instead you had bosses being alive raise the respawn timer way higher then normal in multiplayer, like 45seconds or something, this isn't too awful to do iirc, and would make it harder to do multiplayer cheese

[sand umbra]

and you're certain there is a way to do this that, again, won't bring up an avalanche of issues for the reason I just specified

[swift bison]

Adjusting respawn time is doable without bringing up an avalanche of issues because if it wasn't there wouldn't be a million "faster respawn" mods out there

[civic pond]

hp scaling

[swift bison]

there'd be maybe one by dradon or mirsario or some other code god

[sand umbra]

okay

allow me to ask you a question, Seraph

how many of these mods work well with multiplayer?

[swift bison]

The one i use does without issues

SuperQuickRespawn

[sand umbra]

either way, I don't see how this really fixes anything

the issue is still there, your friend just has to be decent at dodging and dealing with multiplayer fuckery for a little while longer than normal

and quite frankly, MP cheese already flops half the time with Calamity in particular

[hollow saffron]

imean like

[lost agate]

how many times has that been suggested

[karmic stone]

Is it possible for entities to ignore higher aggro on one player than another?

[hollow saffron]

multiplayer is kinda iffy tbh

[lost agate]

5?

[hollow saffron]

like, if your friend dies while youre dead, you can just call them a thrower

[lost agate]

and like, safest zone for scal is near walls or running along them, that change is just a big fuck u to that

[hollow saffron]

why not have the bullets spawn outside the arena in multiplayer smH

[signal prairie]

To still keep the same Bullet Hell feel, have the Bullets slow down to regular levels when a player is in a certain radius.

[hollow saffron]

yeah whats the radius

[lost agate]

still

they spawn on walls

[hollow saffron]

also no need for monospace font

[lost agate]

you touch the walls when dodging bhs

[hollow saffron]

spawning on walls seems iffy smh

[signal prairie]

I can change the wall thing

[hollow saffron]

make it a screen's radius away from where both players are

[lost agate]

also, random changing to scal targeting is just bleh

Hey im safe; NOPE, have 1k dmg

[radiant pawn]

make scal be a mirrorred sprite and shoot both players

boom

suprerpus calac

fixed

[hollow saffron]

safety is just an illusion with this new boss change! get ready to be instakilled randomly when you least expect it!

[lost agate]

thinking both players are aligned

[sand umbra]

SuperHot take:

boss AI shouldn't be focused around multiplayer in the first place unless it absolutely needs to account for it

which SCal doesn't

[radiant pawn]

oh god now i want to actually make my joke real

[sand umbra]

[signal prairie]

The amount of time would be constant, say like 30 seconds or so

[radiant pawn]

SuprerpuS CalaC

[lost agate]

doesnt matter if its constant

is just some random slap in the face unless you have a clock ticking in your head

[hollow saffron]

george

[radiant pawn]

Actually serious now
A cool idea would be to make a sound cue each time scal changes Target

[hollow saffron]

its still bad smh

[sand umbra]

you know what else is constant

the 15 seconds DoG takes to finish purple subphase in his fight

and DoG fucking obliterates in multiplayer because of it because you cannot tell who he's targeting

h

[lost agate]

which would also screw over the moon pattern you may have done

[radiant pawn]

but that makes it wore tbh

worse*

[hollow saffron]

just make scal target the closest player

smh

[sand umbra]

moons

[hollow saffron]

same with dog/yharon

[sand umbra]

BHs

fucking Sepulcher

[radiant pawn]

who would be close to scal BRUH

[sand umbra]

also Bros

[hollow saffron]

Closest

SMH

Small brain

[sand umbra]

[hollow saffron]

[radiant pawn]

BRUH 5head if scal focuses on you, and the other player gets close to her, she will change to him and viceversa

It would be a total mess

[lost agate]

imagine both if not like 4 players are constantly changing between who is the closest

scal just fucking spazes out

[hollow saffron]

Still better than having her change players every 30 seconds

99999head

[karmic stone]

:Calspasm:

[hollow saffron]

Lol

[radiant pawn]

you kill scal with a seizure

[sand umbra]

to have SCal target the closest player or change targets every so often would completely fucking ruin any semblance of order there is to the fight and make it nigh impossible to figure out what the fuck is happening

[hollow saffron]

Lol what's order

[civic pond]

In short SCal wasn't designed for multiplayer in the first place.

[radiant pawn]

SCal would turn into every fish in the abyss when they get stuck between blocks

every tick changing direction

[sand umbra]

Thank you, Doge.

[hollow saffron]

^

[sand umbra]

Literally the whole thing I was trying to point out, and why I made my initial assertion.

[radiant pawn]

Doge saves the day again

[civic pond]

[radiant pawn]

[queen delta]

Just simply give SCal like 5-10 second cooldown after switching targets so she doesnt spaz out

[sand umbra]

Boss AI should not be focused around multiplayer in the first place unless it's absolutely crucial to the way the fight functions.

[signal prairie]

Yata

I'm adding that

[sand umbra]

Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.

[civic pond]

but it probably has flaws

AaaAA discord why youare diygin

[radiant pawn]

what

are you ok

[sand umbra]

because Discord is committing a fat die again ig

it does that a lot

[signal prairie]

^

[sand umbra]

Anywho, the point is, I don't see a reason that a boss not necessarily intended for multiplayer should be adjusted dynamically to fit multiplayer.

[radiant pawn]

In reality Terraria bosses werent designed for multiplayer

[sand umbra]

^

[radiant pawn]

only boses that have a chance of being made with multiplayer in mind is Moon Lord

but moon lord is also a tomfuckery

[ashen warren]

Heard that, but I wouldn't mind slight changes to allow for multiplayer to flow smoother

[signal prairie]

I'm going to be throwing out suggestions to make every Calamity boss less painful in multiplayer so

[sand umbra]

Got ideas for vanilla bosses too?

[signal prairie]

DoG is going to be fun

a few

[sand umbra]

Terraria bosses in general are not designed for multiplayer.

[ashen warren]

Yeah, remove them

[civic pond]

also can i just throw my idea out here and see if there's anything wrong with it

[radiant pawn]

DoG change

[ashen warren]

Sure

Is suggdis

[radiant pawn]

just make him charge at both of you

[ashen warren]

No

[civic pond]

Have SCal spawn with a bigger arena if its multiplayer

[signal prairie]

I have an entire revamp of Moonlord multiplayer I'm thinking up

[sand umbra]

Terraria in general isn't designed for multiplayer, to be entirely frank.

[civic pond]

thats kinda it

[radiant pawn]

if he fails to ram YOU, your friend is next

Boom

dog made for multiplayer

[ashen warren]

But we can make it be, tom

das the power

[sand umbra]

No you can't.

[civic pond]

its thom

[ashen warren]

Not instantly

[sand umbra]

Not without a shitload of fundamental adjustments to the game and how it is played with other people.

[radiant pawn]

if you could make terraria for multiplayer, you would have to have 2 of the same bosses

[civic pond]

Ngl multiplayer in itself is its own world.

[radiant pawn]

for one to attack one and other to attack the other

[hollow saffron]

no

bad idea

imaging 2 yharons

[radiant pawn]

but it becomes trash

[sand umbra]

what is this

[ashen warren]

Howso? Terraria functions in multiplayer, with about the only real problems I've seen are the bosses

[sand umbra]

the Twins?

[radiant pawn]

TWINS

[signal prairie]

Deus would be a fuckerclust if that was the case

[hollow saffron]

the quadruples

[ashen warren]

Holy shit the bosses tho

[hollow saffron]

IKR GEORGE

[radiant pawn]

those were kind of thought for multiplayer

[civic pond]

22 fucking worms

die

🏃

[hollow saffron]

Double wall of flesh?????

[ashen warren]

Okay lads

[sand umbra]

Twins are...midly fit for multiplayer

[signal prairie]

or 55 worms

[hollow saffron]

8-armed prime

[radiant pawn]

retinazer for you and spaz for the other guy

[ashen warren]

simmer down

[sand umbra]

but it is largely because it is a multi-entity boss

[hollow saffron]

hi timer

[ashen warren]

Why would we need 22 worms

[hollow saffron]

Imagine DoG in multiplayer

[radiant pawn]

Yea what Thomas said

[hollow saffron]

120 segments x2 plus laser walls

[sand umbra]

a single-entity boss usually isn't really. easy or even practical to change for MP

[ashen warren]

Worms work too, because long

[hollow saffron]

Would the double boss thing extend to boss summons?

[signal prairie]

I have an entire Multiplayer revamp for both DoG and Moonlord planned

[lost agate]

Howso? Terraria functions in multiplayer, with about the only real problems I've seen are the bosses
i swear i saw enemies desync too

[civic pond]

Ngl Clone was actually great for multiplayer in my experience

[sand umbra]

literally everything desyncs

[tired haven]

^

[hollow saffron]

How would the double boss thing work if you have two players around the same area? How would they not recieve double damge?

[signal prairie]

Multiplayer is big sad, nuff said

[sand umbra]

you desync, the enemies desync, your friends desync, the bosses desync, the item counts desync,
fucking time itself desyncs
did I miss anything else that desyncs

[signal prairie]

reality

[ashen warren]

reality itself as the game crashes

[radiant pawn]

npc's desync

[tired haven]

You missed desyncing desyncs

[radiant pawn]

[signal prairie]

[radiant pawn]

desyncing desync

[tired haven]

Don't ask

[hollow saffron]

you misspelled game desync

[sand umbra]

ah yes, how could I forget

desync within a desync

[civic pond]

haha

thats when my game crashes!

[radiant pawn]

also trees desync

[signal prairie]

The desyncs that desync cause the desyncs are desyncing

[sand umbra]

a common occurrence for multiplayer Terraria and the exact reason I make this argument

[radiant pawn]

you chop a tree and it spazes out in reality before breaking down

[hollow saffron]

imagine if a mod came in right now

[sand umbra]

what practical purpose or even real feasibility does changing bosses to work with multiplayer have

[ashen warren]

Mod is prolly lurking

[sand umbra]

and how would you reliably detect that the game is in multiplayer

[tired haven]

ummm

Pretty sure the game has enough references to tell whether it's mp or not

[sand umbra]

if a player disconnects, what happens? does the boss just stay the same
if it's a hosted server but only one person is online? how's that work
how would boss targeting be handled

[hollow saffron]

if PlayerCount > 1
SetGameMode(2)
else
SetGameMode(1)

[ashen warren]

that's kinda

[tired haven]

This doesn't answer question 1 tbf

[signal prairie]

I mean like, the reason why I came up with the Scal MP changes is cause I did a sort of study with Multiplayer Scal and those are the things that get most players

[civic pond]

I thought the boss targets whoever does more damage

[sand umbra]

that's

incredibly

oversimplified

[hollow saffron]

I know thomas

[tired haven]

Boss targets whoever is close but switches randomly

[civic pond]

I see.

[ashen warren]

Bosses just aim at npcs

[civic pond]

I enjoyed multiplayer clone actually

[sand umbra]

even disregarding the fact that so much as touching Terraria netcode is asking for a completely new slew of issues that never come up in MP
you cannot just simplify the concept this much and claim it will work

[hollow saffron]

Yeah

[sand umbra]

also, the questions I presented earlier still stand, which I have yet to see any real answers to
those are the kinds of questions you HAVE to have answers to going into MP-related things

[hollow saffron]

Redcode be like

[signal prairie]

Christ, if my suggestion caused this much controversy, I'll just delete it and y'all can suffer against MP Scal

[hollow saffron]

oof

ok salty

[ashen warren]

It's a bit of a shame that Terraria is mildly inconveniencing for some

[radiant pawn]

Just see it in an MMORPG view, superbosses (or bosses in general) only focus on one character each attack. His atacks shift in between a player he changes focus on.
And if 20 players are attacking that boss, the boss becomes a joke. Because the time he takes to both attack and change focus from player to players is quite big, giving you A LOT of ime to rain down specials and shit

This is Terraria multiplayer but terraria mkes it a lot worse

[signal prairie]

However, I'll say this, Both Yata and Ozza starred that suggestion

[sand umbra]

WH--
This isn't controversy. This is me asking you legitimate questions that directly relate to your suggestion and how it can work.
I am NOT saying your suggestion can't work, and if you can actually answer the questions I've presented then I'll gladly give it the time of day.

[civic pond]

My only issue with multiplayer SCal is her hp scaling

Or just..

..criticism

[sand umbra]

^

[civic pond]

We out here tryna improve suggestions

[sand umbra]

These kinds of questions NEED to be addressed for anything related to multiplayer. They're literally the basis of any boss adjustment for multiplayer.

[signal prairie]

Then TELL ME THE QUESTIONS, they were swept away in the sea of craziness

[civic pond]

Yeah the place is a little more calm now

[signal prairie]

^

[hollow saffron]

@signal prairie Yat and Ozza starring a sugg means nothing if it isnt implemented

[sand umbra]

1. If a player disconnects, what happens? Does the boss just stay the same? Does it rescind some of its MP adjustments and straight-up focus on the player?
2. if it's a hosted multiplayer server, but only one person is online, how's that work?
3. How would boss targeting be handled in a way that's fair while not unintentionally cucking anyone not the target by means of how the fight functions.

[civic pond]

Is boss targeting as of now basically whoever is closest to the boss?

[sand umbra]

Yes, but see.

Moons. Bullet Hell phases. Sepulcher. Brothers.

[civic pond]

Ah thats right

[sand umbra]

All issues with the simplistic approach to player targeting for SCal.

[civic pond]

Out of all the bosses SCal was the one that was specifically designed for singleplayer

[signal prairie]

1. Scal will revert back to regular AI until a player connects, then the MP AI will kick in. The Targeting parts starting with the player in the arena.
2. Scall will have her regular AI
3. Give some sort of indication when Scal's targeting changes and give her a small cooldown between switching targets to prevent cheap hits. in the suggestion itself

[hollow saffron]

Ok thats cool and all

[ashen warren]

Scall will have her regular AI

Okay, what am I seeing here

[hollow saffron]

Now let's talk about Astrum Deus Multiplayer

[ashen warren]

No

[fervent zealot]

astrum deus multiplayer

[radiant pawn]

follow up to 2nd answer
But what if suddenly a player connects when you are fighting her? Will she have the same AI she started with when you summoned her alone? Or she will change AI in a snap?

[fervent zealot]

11 more worms spawn per player

[sand umbra]

1. Have fun with programming that (to anyone in general, entirely frankly).
2. Fair.
3. That's not really an answer, that's more of a restatement. More detail might help you.
4. New question that sorta follows up 3: How do you indicate that her current player, the only one that matters, is within the arena if someone else is outside of it?

[signal prairie]

The AI will change after a few seconds to give the other player time to get into the arena

[radiant pawn]

hmm

wouldnt that make her "enraged"?

[ashen warren]

If someone is outside of the arena, maybe she'll leave

Or just not spawn

[radiant pawn]

few seconds of enrage while other players get into the arena

[teal ibex]

honestly isn't that the solution right there?

she enrages if any players are outside the arena?

[ashen warren]

Yeah

[hollow saffron]

what about players that spawn in tho

that could be unfair

[ashen warren]

I dunno about the bullets tho

[teal ibex]

i mean, they already died, so

it's unfair but the point is to block up the cheese

[hollow saffron]

spawn in as in join the server

5head

[signal prairie]

There will be a small eye above the player she is currently targetting, and there will be a sound that plays when she's switching targets

[radiant pawn]

Hectique that would be unfair for the guy who is inside

[teal ibex]

i'm not saying it should exist, that's just how i would do it

[sand umbra]

it'd also be unfair for the person that just connected

because that is the point here

[hollow saffron]

^^^^^^^

[sand umbra]

this has nothing to do with respawning after death at all

[teal ibex]

why are people connnecting in the middle of an scal fight

why are we catering to poor communication

[hollow saffron]

late to the party

[teal ibex]

are you running a public calamity server?

[ashen warren]

Seeing that Scal is of such importance

[sand umbra]

why are we catering to multiplayer

[radiant pawn]

endless possibilities

[hollow saffron]

bro we get that you have a good wifi connection, some people aren't as well off as you are

[teal ibex]

that's a false equivalency

multiplayer is used by tons of people

nobody would be dumb enough to connect during an scal fight and the consequence is having to redo a fight

[fervent zealot]

get better internet or don't play the buggy undesiriable mess that is multiplayer calamity b osses

[hollow saffron]

^

[teal ibex]

that's such a small inconvenience it's not even worth working around to me

[hollow saffron]

smh just make the enrage happen if the player scal is targeting leaves the arena

boom

problem solved

[teal ibex]

that being said, enrage for any active players does needlessly punish the active player who is still alive, that's true

[radiant pawn]

See there is no perfect fix for multiplayer scal

you bring a solution but it has downsides

and pretty bad ones

upsides and downsides

[fervent zealot]

honestly it feels like trying to fuck with scal enrage will only lead to "help why is scal destroying the shit out of me with omega fast projectiles"

[hollow saffron]

whats the downside to having scal enrage if the targeted player leaves the arena?

i wanna know tbh

[teal ibex]

scal just wasn't built to be fought by multiple players so it'd need some heavy readjustment, yeah

[hollow saffron]

ok so

AD multiplayer

[sand umbra]

...so basically what I've been saying
literally this entire time

[civic pond]

🚟

[hollow saffron]

[ashen warren]

[sand umbra]

I can't do this, I have a headache
just
the point I'm making is that Calamity bosses as a whole are not designed for multiplayer, and that adjusting especially many of the post-Ml bosses for multiplayer would require a ton of work and pain that quite frankly wouldn't pay off enough to be worth it in the sense of what is priority right now

this is especially true for SCal in particular as she turns the definition of a Terraria boss fight on its head to a considerable degree

[signal prairie]

its not expected to be high prio

[teal ibex]

i think you're equalizing the issue when really most people are only concerned with scal, wherein the problem is at an absolute peak of egregiousness

i don't think anybody truly minds the rest of multiplayer memes, but particularly scal

and in that regard she in particular would be deserving of a rework, and not so much the rest

[hollow saffron]

'wherein' 'egregiousness' ok 1700s person

[ashen warren]

bro

[hollow saffron]

tbh i feel like AD multi would be more annoying

[fervent zealot]

did you just insult his choice of words

[hollow saffron]

with the targeting thing

[fervent zealot]

ad homiem as fuck my dude

[hollow saffron]

just imagine the DoG fight in multi, x11

[ashen warren]

Spook isn't here for a serious argument

[hollow saffron]

@fervent zealot bro im not even being serious

like have you heard of sarcasm

[ashen warren]

everyone else was, spook

[sand umbra]

because of the way SCal works and the way multiplayer is inherently difficult to work around, it would take entirely too much work for too little reward to rework SCal to be playable in multiplayer when the truth of it is that she was never designed for multiplayer in the first place

[hollow saffron]

ok timer

thing is, multiplayer bosses are pretty yuck tbh

[sand umbra]

and with that, I should go, as I now have a headache and can barely think straight on this

[fervent zealot]

ok now that one's going in the dumbass compilation

[teal ibex]

i feel like deciding from the get-go that you can't make scal work is exactly what's going to prevent it from working

[hollow saffron]

cya thomas

[fervent zealot]

scal multiplayer don't touch it bad idea

[teal ibex]

i agree it's a hard problem to fix, but i also thoroughly believe a creative solution can, and hopefully eventually will, exist

[sand umbra]

I never said it--
yeah I'm out

[hollow saffron]

that's JUST scal multi

what about say, yharon multi

[sand umbra]

I can't do this at this point

[signal prairie]

What have I started

[sand umbra]

until next time

[teal ibex]

i should've been more specific, sorry

[sand umbra]

[hollow saffron]

or dog multi

[teal ibex]

i'm not implying you objectively meant there was no solution

[signal prairie]

cya thomas

[hollow saffron]

cya thomas

[ashen warren]

Night, Thomas

[teal ibex]

but i find it callous to argue that a solution is unreachable without the insight of multiple devs or netcoders who may have a creative proposal that we otherwise haven't yet considered

[hollow saffron]

well none of implied devs were here during this conv

afaik

[teal ibex]

yeah, that's generally the issue i take with said discussion

sure, it might not be feasible, but thomas is bringing it up exclusively with people that can't answer the question

not to any fault of his own

[signal prairie]

Things like this almost require dev input but none are seen

[hollow saffron]

smh just DM @ sors

[teal ibex]

it just feels a little disregarding to me, that's all

[signal prairie]

Anyways, I feel like with enough thought and time that both Multiplayer and Singleplayer would be somewhat fair in Calamity

[teal ibex]

well, i wouldn't go so far as fair

multiplayer will always be bad, just look at queen bee

[signal prairie]

I did say somewhat

[ashen warren]

Queen Bee is the issue there

[fervent zealot]

queen bee desyncs in singleplayer sometimes

[ashen warren]

sometimes

[hollow saffron]

never seen that terry

[signal prairie]

And yeah, QB is nasty

[teal ibex]

but i think at the very least scal deserves the time and energy since it really is just a meme in multi atm

[signal prairie]

^

[ashen warren]

And it's not unheard of for multiplayer changes, Fab has tried to work with yharon

[hollow saffron]

What other bosses are a pain in multi tbh tho

DoG?

[teal ibex]

yharon was abysmal

and is no longer as much so, afaik

[hollow saffron]

Oof

[teal ibex]

if yharon desynced you literally just died

there was nothing you could do

[hollow saffron]

Tbh what about DoG multi

Or Provi multi

[signal prairie]

Yharon multiplayer was the definition of aids, cancer, and death

[teal ibex]

there's no need to employ what-aboutism here

scal is the biggest issue and is the one that most people believe deserve attention

there may be other problems but it's needless to point the finger elsewhere

[hollow saffron]

.

ok

[signal prairie]

she is the Final boss of the mod atm

[teal ibex]

well technically

[signal prairie]

So i feel like having her multiplayer AI not be as painful would be a good thing

[teal ibex]

even beyond final boss, she has the greatest disparity atm from singleplayer

at least afaik

[signal prairie]

true

Personally, I find Yharon and DoG harder

Anyways, I disappear for now, nice talking to ya hec

[teal ibex]

seeya around friendo

[signal prairie]

see ya when I post the Moonlord and DoG Multiplayer adjustments

[teal ibex]

[small talon]

I have as suggestion, anyone have any input?

Add a config option to be able to have time pause while a boss is alive

One of the biggest problems i face when playing with increased boss health is that fighting bosses that run away/enrage when the time turns day/night are very difficult to beat in the time given for how much you've decided to increase their health by. However, an alternative could be a multiplier on how slowly time passes while bosses are alive. (Ex. Night is 9 minutes long, if you set the multiplier from 1 (default) to 2, the time would pass twice as slow allowing you 18 minutes of time.)

Many people love to challenge themselves (also just listen to the great boss soundtracks longer) by increasing boss health by ridiculous amounts, but with some bosses the amount of health you can increase it by hardcaps due to maximum dps output within the time given to beat the boss is not possibly high enough without external mods.

[hollow saffron]

*insert obligatory jojo meme here*

[sand umbra]

I mean there are instances where using some on-tier weapons isn't enough power to beat a boss

so like hell yeah

except I don't think there's actually a way to make this happen without it being a really hacky method

keyword: think

[hollow saffron]

thomas you're back

[sand umbra]

like I have one idea in mind but it's really wonky and would probably worsen the already bad time desync in multiplayer

also yes hi I decided to come back literally to pitch my two cents on this idea and that's it

[small talon]

So your saying you agree with it if it is possible to be done?

[sand umbra]

in a word, yes

if it is possible and won't ruin everything, I'm all for it

[teal ibex]

ye i see no issue with it

[ashen warren]

behold, my stand, king crimson, it can look into the future and enhance the desync by 5 seconds

[sand umbra]

and now I go again

[teal ibex]

if there's a problem devs can just reject anyway

[small talon]

alright, ill post it

[radiant pawn]

why is wof always bad

[proven tide]

terrain vs. lasers

[radiant pawn]

and why does goobow's slime shots consume iframes

if you are close to an enemy the slime shots consume iframes

why

the arrows go through that enemy too

also why tf do i always mess up channels ffs

[radiant pawn]

Bosses always extend the time for the night

its vanilla coded

[proven tide]

Yeees

[radiant pawn]

to make the fight fair, the bosses extend the night a lot more than normal

[proven tide]

What's concerned me since this update is if I miss a chest by a pixel in my house

[small talon]

no they dont, it doesnt extend it at all

[proven tide]

well.

😐

[radiant pawn]

you dont notice thats the reason

[proven tide]

@iron plaza I think we all know why, but you'll probably have to add a reason

[radiant pawn]

havent you seen the moon goes kind of fast when there are no bosses?

[iron plaza]

@proven tide Where do i put this "reason" 😛

[proven tide]

in the original post

[radiant meadow]

in the suggestion

[proven tide]

^

[radiant meadow]

just edit your message

[radiant pawn]

well, if you look closely the night goes slower with a boss

[sand umbra]

that's a thing exclusive to certain versions

[radiant pawn]

it cant be more fair than it already is

[small talon]

Lura, do i need to go waste 20 minutes of my time to time night with a boss alive and without? because i will

[sand umbra]

in fact, I'm 90% sure that's not even a thing period

night moves at the same speed whether you're fighting a boss or not

same with daytime

[small talon]

you just think that its longer because your more enganged with it

[radiant pawn]

it doesnt

just look at the moon Sprite

[sand umbra]

I'll do you one better

[radiant pawn]

wh-

[sand umbra]

I will go stare the programming for this down the fucking barrel

I need to know if this is a thing

[small talon]

Im also just pretty sure in general cuz ive played for around 3k hours so i would have noticed

[proven tide]

Decent suggestion: *exists*
Thomas: let me get right on that.

[radiant pawn]

i fucking swear its vanilla coded

bosses make the nights last longer

[sand umbra]

I'm staring UpdateTime in the face right now and I'm seeing nothing that would lead to this

I remember seeing this is a thing on certain versions of the game where nights are shorter to begin with

except 1) that got removed I think and b) none of those versions were Desktop

[radiant pawn]

they were desktop

[hollow shell]

Mobile had shortened nights.

And, that's it.

[radiant pawn]

not only mobile, pc too

[proven tide]

why on earth would that be a thing

[hollow shell]

Lura please

[radiant pawn]

[proven tide]

*insert haha why on terraria*

[hollow shell]

It would have been noticed 1,000 years ago and put on the wiki

[sand umbra]

a

this is relevant

as wack as the vanilla wiki is, they don't really seem to drop the ball with changelogs ever

[proven tide]

As opposed to Calamity

Which cannot keep up with every tweak

[small talon]

that too, the terraria wiki has every stone unturned in the game pretty much, so thats another thing

[proven tide]

except with wiring

[small talon]

everything is there

[ashen warren]

I mean yeah, but calamity updates really frequently

even more so than vanilla iirc

[hollow shell]

Of course yeah

Terraria hasn't had an update in like 2 years :P

[proven tide]

journey's end time

[sand umbra]

until in like 2 months when it does get one and vanilla wiki goes mad

[hollow shell]

2 and a half years, actually

[ashen warren]

Give them credit, journey’s end looks sick

besides mastermode

[queen sail]

Well for the most part

[sand umbra]

we don't talk about master mode

[radiant pawn]

golfing minigames

[hollow shell]

It looks great, I'll give it that

[queen sail]

And probably not addressing old issues like usual

[sand umbra]

the real question is

[hollow shell]

Love the new vfx

[queen sail]

[sand umbra]

does it play great

[small talon]

Master mode will be cool, but the modding community is going to hate it

[sand umbra]

[ashen warren]

Master mode seems like stat buffs

besides that one meme change that was removed

[sand umbra]

master mode is just stat buffs, that's all anyone's ever proven it to be

[ashen warren]

Just get a look at this memery

[proven tide]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/576637878340157468/612116597443657759/VG2YaYN.gif

[sand umbra]

so until I'm given statistical evidence that this is not the case I'm going to presume that what I have to go off of is true

[proven tide]

credit where credit is due

this is absolutely astonishing as a feature

and i could not be more excited

[hollow shell]

(This is offtopic)

[queen sail]

Also tbh some of the 1.4 additions are literally things modders managed to do before them

[ashen warren]

Imagine EoW breaking blocks :ech:

anyways yeah

[proven tide]

(silence, thot)

[sand umbra]

PAINTED MINIO--
oh yeah this is sugma disc

[proven tide]

[sand umbra]

...what was I looking into again

[proven tide]

Supposed shortened/lengthened nights

[ashen warren]

Hotkey for crusher sounds kinda eh

[proven tide]

Something about bosses being alive

[radiant pawn]

how im actually not insane

[hollow shell]

Damn it Vetus I thought you were an unusually bold anon

[radiant pawn]

[proven tide]

vetus

[radiant pawn]

who is vetus

[sand umbra]

vetus is vetus

[proven tide]

[sand umbra]

but anyway
yeah that's not a thing

[proven tide]

@ashen warren

[sand umbra]

dunno if it was before, but it absolutely isn't now

source: I can read redcode

[radiant pawn]