suggestions-discussion

[smoky wagon]

Devs already have boss resprites planned

[novel pebble]

I don't think anyone will suddenly remake a whole sprite (Especially when it's as big as a boss or something else) because a suggestion, and even then, resprites come gradually

[queen sail]

We are literally in the middle of respriting levi, siren, polter, birb, and yharim’s scalie fetish rn

Piss Butt Gorilla can wait

[smoky wagon]

PBG resprite is planned anyway

[zealous ridge]

it could help devs determine what should be a priority, is i think the reasoning

[queen sail]

You know what’s also a priority for the devs

Making Draedon interesting

Resprites come when they come

[devout seal]

I've thrown in my own concept for PBG, but it needs alot of work.

[tired haven]

I doubt devs have any real impact on what spriters do
General direction, sure
Actual priority list stuff, eh
It's art after all, can't be rushed

[smoky wagon]

Alot of devs are spriters themselves though

They are the ones who make the stuff that isnt from sprite submissions

like the new DoG

[half basalt]

@queen sail ooh, siren, levi, and yharon? Cant wait

[queen sail]

Okay ngl did you really have to ping me for a message 3 hours ago

[half basalt]

Yes

[proven tide]

that's what half of all pings are for

[half basalt]

...pins.

[proven tide]

pings

i am

failure incarnate

thank you

[half basalt]

[proven tide]

~~i was the one who made that emoji can you please not murder me with it ~~

[jovial spire]

ok

[half basalt]

Nah, feeling pretty today, sorry

[proven tide]

hot take: hm qb buff to get bee acc

good talk

[hollow shell]

Bee acc as in

"The Bee"?

[arctic notch]

Make Terra Stuff pre-Plantera again.
Why? There's no reason to move it Post-Plantera, so why have it there?

[hollow shell]

Consistency with Calamity's Terra weapons

[arctic notch]

Consistency?

[sand umbra]

Terra stuff is post-Plantera so its materials have a reason to exist

[hollow shell]

And so True Night's Edge and True Excalibur have literally any use beyond being instant upgrades into Terra Blade

[arctic notch]

But why have them Post-Plantera when Terra Tier is Pre-Plantera?

[sand umbra]

Terra Tier

wh

[arctic notch]

Yeah.

[hollow shell]

Terra Tier is defined in vanilla by only one item:
Terra Blade

[sand umbra]

am I supposed to laugh
a single item is not a fucking tier

[hollow shell]

All of Calamity's Terra weapons were made with Living Shards, which drop from Plantera
so, to make it consistent and to, again, give the True swords a use,
Terra Blade's recipe was changed.

[arctic notch]

You realize how stupid it is to move a weapon just so shit weapons have a "Use"?

They're in no way viable.

[sand umbra]

have you ever used these weapons

[hollow shell]

Suggest that they be buffed.

[arctic notch]

Yes.

[sand umbra]

by chance

[arctic notch]

They suck.

[hollow shell]

We can do that, you know

[sand umbra]

^

[hollow shell]

We change plenty of vanilla weapon stats to make them viable or nerf the overpowered

[arctic notch]

Well, the True Excalibur should at least do 90 base damage.

Start of HM weapons can do that.

[hollow shell]

In fact, we buff True Night's Edge so it has 149 base damage instead of 90, and we granted both the True swords autoswing

[arctic notch]

I think they should either A. Have faster projectiles, or B. Swing faster.

[sand umbra]

why does excalibur even exist in the first place again
i'm like 90% sure you can get better shit as a random drop from an eclipse or something

[arctic notch]

And pierce with either one.

[sand umbra]

i don't know though as i don't play vanilla so take what i'm saying with a grain of salt

[arctic notch]

Death Sickle?

[sand umbra]

death sickle is after all 3 mechs

[arctic notch]

So is Solar Eclipse.

[sand umbra]

no

[queen sail]

Bruh

Outdated

[arctic notch]

Yes it is.

[hollow shell]

Solar Eclipse is post-1Mech

[queen sail]

:NotLikeThis:

[arctic notch]

In Calamity for some reason.

[hollow shell]

Reapers only spawn after all 3 mechs

[sand umbra]

eclipse can happen after any mech
mothrons and reapers are after all 3 mechs
a bunch of random enemies that only serve a purpose for one weapon are post-plantera

[hollow shell]

https://terraria.gamepedia.com/Solar_Eclipse

[arctic notch]

So, no enemies really are there.

[queen sail]

Yeah it’s fuckin blank

[hollow shell]

except 7

[queen sail]

Unless you want moon stone or smth

Or enchantment material grinding

[arctic notch]

Buff True Weapons (The Terra mats.).
Why? As it stands, True Weapons suck absolute ass. They need a buff in some way to be viable. I recommend they autoswing and pierce, along with either A. A projectile speed buff, or B. They swing faster.

How's that?

[queen sail]

Didn’t they just say they did

[arctic notch]

Only in damage.

[hollow shell]

Hang on lemme check something

(also don't forget autoswing)

[sand umbra]

true excalibur is literally just a material for terra blade in vanilla

the latter of which, in vanilla, can be obtained literally the second you get its main mats

[placid moth]

How does True Damage work anyways

[queen sail]

Yeah they uh

[arctic notch]

Not those.

[sand umbra]

...vro
wrong true weapon type

[queen sail]

Removed the broken hero sword req from terra blade in 1.3

[placid moth]

Oh.

[queen sail]

Fsr

[placid moth]

I am confused.

[sand umbra]

you do realize TNE and TE take BHero Swords right

it's just that Terra Blade itself literally only takes those two weapons
nothing else

[queen sail]

For literally no reason other than to get bootleg ranged wep™

Because that’s all terra blade is defined by

[sand umbra]

True Night's Edge and True Excalibur are instantly obsolete when you get them because guess what, you can get the Terra Blade instantly

[arctic notch]

Well, you can use one to farm for another BHS.

[hollow shell]

@arctic notch I meant that Calamity already allows them to autoswing

[arctic notch]

Oh.

[hollow shell]

(you could also be clearer in your suggestion title)

(we have a lot of weapons with True in the name and a lot of Terra weapons)

(The more elaboration, the better. 👍)

[placid moth]

Which ones is he referring to

[hollow shell]

Exactly

[proven tide]

how stupid it is to move them to another tier so shit weapons can be viable

it's actually a pretty good decision on the part of the devs to properly space out existing items and pace progression

if the overshadowed items are overshadowed because they're shit, that gets seen to

see: spectre staff, psycho knife

[hollow shell]

Indeed

[proven tide]

iirc true night's already has a 66% damage buff

[hollow shell]

Any change to give weapons more viability or more of a chance to be used
is a good change

and yes it does

[proven tide]

speaking of viability

can we get more of a buff to the lunar portal staff

700 post-moon lord dps

ver bad

it has, what, a 33% buff now?

[placid moth]

Do you want to buff it to Energy Staff levels though

[proven tide]

energy staff overrated, has a range half the width of my screen

[hollow shell]

+50%.

[proven tide]

oh, neat

even so, it's still the joke younger sister to the rcs

[placid moth]

Is Energy Staff the only Calamity Sentry Post ML anyway

[proven tide]

yos

speaking of rebalancing vanilla weapons, medusa head stones enemies when

[hollow shell]

Sounds like programming ass but tbh probably doable

[proven tide]

yeees

that was its whole gimmick in classical mythology

[placid moth]

Is it good for Destroyer

[proven tide]

not sure, haven't bothered checking

[sand umbra]

Sounds like programming ass

actually, no

visuals-wise it'd be a nightmare since you'd need a stoned sprite for every enemy

[hollow shell]

Yeah the visuals would be the hard part

[proven tide]

or just turn them grey for convenience

[swift bison]

just tint them all grey when stoned lol

crap

[proven tide]

gotcha

[hollow shell]

Stunning them or causing them to fall is easy, we already have code for that prety much

[sand umbra]

but from an internal standpoint, it's literally just checking for a debuff and killing all movement if debuff is active

[hollow shell]

yeah

[proven tide]

and damage

[hollow shell]

The visuals is where the ass comes in

[sand umbra]

yep

[proven tide]

grey tint with highest priority

significant opacity

easy phix

[hollow shell]

(You could probably do some code magic to detect transparent pixels on the sprite and place a bunch of rock textures only over the opaque bits)

[sand umbra]

~~that said I'd be perfectly willing to make this a thing

one question though: what is the Medusa Head normally again~~

you probably could

although that is out of my range of expertise

[hollow shell]

Medusa Head is AoE that you charge up for a few seconds

https://gamepedia.cursecdn.com/terraria_gamepedia/2/2b/Medusa_Head_(demo).gif

[proven tide]

woah that's actually big brain rover

w o a

[placid moth]

Looks good for a metal worm

[hollow shell]

What, the transparent pixel idea?

[proven tide]

yes

[hollow shell]

Thanks

Of course I have no idea if its possible in tMod

[proven tide]

okay so rover

while you're here

[hollow shell]

m?

[sand umbra]

it probably could be, except it's likely really complicated and quite frankly I have much better things to research

[proven tide]

oof

i've had a few mild frustrations and questions regarding the nature of calamity balance

but like

[hollow shell]

I'm not a tester but I can attempt to answer

[proven tide]

it's really big brain

well, i mean

not regarding why is x balanced like y when z boss shits on it

i mean why are these certain trends taken as baseline while other mechanics are universally shafted

[hollow shell]

Provide examples

[proven tide]

well, to take sequence's brilliant example, debuffs

[sand umbra]

...I was gonna say Sulf. Acid Cannon
but debuffs in general work too

[proven tide]

firerate and on-hit effects get insane as the game goes along while debuffs are fucken useless

[queen sail]

He speaking of which

Why has no mod in existence acknowledged medusa head

[arctic notch]

Is that elaborate enough?

[queen sail]

Despite being a fucking god tier weapon

[hollow shell]

You could literally say "Buff True Night's Edge and True Excalibur"

but that wording is understandable.

[arctic notch]

There's True Bloody edge.

[proven tide]

honestly who makes them when the shiny calam weapons are available

[sand umbra]

true night's edge but shortsword and true holy bar sword that nobody uses but shortsword

[hollow shell]

Is True Bloody Edge bad, Crafty?

[queen sail]

Excalibur shortsword is meme

[arctic notch]

Not really.

[queen sail]

Shortswords are memes in general, really

[hollow shell]

Then it shouldnt be grouped in with the vanilla ones that you say need to be buffed

[half basalt]

One of those "shinie weapons" is one that requires Terra Blade.

[queen sail]

Merely leftover content from terraria’s beginning

[arctic notch]

Shortswords should honestly be removed.

[proven tide]

VRUH

[hollow shell]

Hot take.

[proven tide]

hot sake

[sand umbra]

HOT SAKE

.C.

...now i'm wondering

[proven tide]

please don't

i added the for a reason

[sand umbra]

the travelling merchant sells sake

[queen sail]

Like our efforts into making shortswords more viable is to just

[sand umbra]

what temperature is that
how fucking long has he had it

and how much of it does he have

[queen sail]

Succumb to bootleg ranger™ memes

[proven tide]

actually a Decently Warm Sake item would be fun

[hollow shell]

Anyway Vetus I feel like Calamity has some pretty significant debuffs
Not as game-changing as shit like Flarium or Erosion from SoA but they're not nothing

[proven tide]

but that's just one example

[hollow shell]

Vanilla debuffs, however
are still inflicted by Calamity weapons, including end-game ones

[half basalt]

We don't take very kindly to you Johto folks hot takes.

[hollow shell]

and those need some looking at

[arctic notch]

They suck ABSOLUTE ASS. The Shortswords are a sub-class of weapon that needs to commit the no exist.

[sand umbra]

except, with all due respect
they are by the time you get to the progression tiers that matter

[proven tide]

^

[radiant meadow]

problem largely arises from stuff being immune to everything

[sand umbra]

^

[queen sail]

Except ichor

[sand umbra]

things in late-game are immune to everything relevant to their tier

except some godly piss and some weirdly colored fire

[radiant meadow]

God Slayer Inferno is cool and all but Yharon is immune and like everything that inflicts it is Cosmilite tier

[queen sail]

Because we know ichor is the only good debuff™

[proven tide]

I am so sick of every boss page saying Immune to: Everything but <ichor>

[sand umbra]

and also shellfish

[hollow shell]

Dragon's Breath inflicts On Fire!

This has no purpose beyond visuals.

[queen sail]

[arctic notch]

Shortswords are a waste of code.

[half basalt]

Bruh

[hollow shell]

If you think something should be removed because it's not viable

[proven tide]

hey can we also address the thing brought up earlier about dog weapons and FROSTBURN

[hearty plaza]

Hey!
They're also vulnerable to Cursed Flames.

[hollow shell]

suggest that it be made viable

not removed

[proven tide]

^

[queen sail]

How the fuck do you make a weapon with -1 range be viable

[proven tide]

nobody except you will star "delete the waste of space that shivs are"

[hollow shell]

Really high damage

[half basalt]

@hollow shell i mean, if we did that, we would've snapped half of the weapons away.

[queen sail]

Besides baghnaks memes

[proven tide]

and Calamity On-Hit Effects™

[arctic notch]

It's not a real suggestion.

[hollow shell]

Making it a very risky weapon to use but rewarding if you have good spacing or a calculated tanking build

[arctic notch]

Just an opinion.

[queen sail]

Actually wait no

[hollow shell]

Thank you for expressing it in this channel.

[queen sail]

We have sub shocker

Nvm

[proven tide]

what rover said

[arctic notch]

Make Shortswords all inflict all DoT debuffs for an hour on hit.

[sand umbra]

am I supposed to laugh

[proven tide]

you can engage with spacing and calculated tanking, or commit coldheart

[queen sail]

Also why do we have debuffs if a majority of the time they’re only going to matter if they affect the player more than bosses

[sand umbra]

because I'm just kinda staring at this with this weird face that says a combo of "why" and "why not"

[queen sail]

[sand umbra]

here's a question

why do so many late-game weapons rely solely on projectiles and fancy on-hit/on-use effects

[half basalt]

2 words.
Coldheart.
Icicle.

[proven tide]

that was the fastest screenie i've ever taken

YES

THAT

[hearty plaza]

I agree with making Shortswords have high DPS but low range.

[sand umbra]

I understand that you need a lot of cool shit to happen in late-game, and I get that

[proven tide]

that's a part of my Big Calamity Balance Questions

[arctic notch]

Make Shortswords do far more damage and have more range than they currently do.
Why? Shortswords are a pain in the ass to hit with.

[sand umbra]

but when was the last time I got to use just a good old broadsword or bow against a late-game boss

[proven tide]

^

[hollow shell]

Do you want a featureless true melee weapon in Post-DoG tier, Thomas?

[queen sail]

Here’s a bigger question

[hollow shell]

Because that sounds very boring

[half basalt]

We need a grand dad kinda weapon

[proven tide]

a featureless one?

why not more GIANT FUCKING SWORDS

slapp for its own sake

[arctic notch]

A shortsword version named Grandma.

[proven tide]

we have, uh

[queen sail]

Why does every class become fucking ranged as you progress further in Terraria

[proven tide]

animus

yes that

okay so here it is

[half basalt]

@hollow shell think of the children true melee players though!

[queen sail]

This isn’t even a Calamity issue

[proven tide]

my first draft of come on calamity why do you do this

[arctic notch]

You need more range because the bosses are faster and space you out more. That's why many weapons have projectiles.

[sand umbra]

you know what you can do with a "featureless" true melee weapon

make it fucking enormous and give it appreciable damage

[queen sail]

And that completely removes their point

[sand umbra]

everything's already straight out of an anime

[hollow shell]

Except you can also give it effects and make it interesting

[queen sail]

Melee becomes mana free magic weapons

[proven tide]

except aotc, which no animator would ever even try without cg

[half basalt]

@queen sail Magic:
Genisis
Effiviscerator
Plasma Rifle
Aether's Whisper
Thunderstorm
Alpha Ray

[sand umbra]

fair

i don't think anyone has the ability to actually

[proven tide]

i will make the calanime one day

[sand umbra]

animate AotC

[proven tide]

just for that

[half basalt]

6 off the top of my head

[hollow shell]

btw Thomas

[queen sail]

Uhhhh

[hollow shell]

Murasama

[half basalt]

One of them literally has a ranged right click

[queen sail]

What’s the ping for

[arctic notch]

A Terraria animated show would be good.

[sand umbra]

what about Murasama

[proven tide]

@arctic notch no. it wouldn't

[hollow shell]

It's pretty non-fancy

[half basalt]

@ X look it up on youtub.

[arctic notch]

The Jazzwares one sucked.

[hollow shell]

It's just a block of high DPS

[proven tide]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mGLmqdxkL4

[sand umbra]

a block of high DPS that does nothing for its tier

[proven tide]

when you: official animated series makes you want to commit die

[half basalt]

O o g

[proven tide]

hey so can we reel this discussion in to one talking point

[sand umbra]

because the only boss you can use it against has no vulnerabilities to true melee

[queen sail]

Thomas do you actually have any idea

[half basalt]

Does summon have the ranged issue

[proven tide]

rewinding it back to the overarching issue, allow me to make a thesis statement that will take me a few minutes to type up

[hollow shell]

so
raw true melee weapons are a no-go for pre-Yharon1 or 2

[queen sail]

Because literally every weapon becomes “attack from a distance” in some way once you reach endgame

[hollow shell]

because of that

What else

[sand umbra]

what?

no

Murasama is post-Yharon

[hollow shell]

ah fuck

[sand umbra]

and true melee SCal is quite literally impossible

[hollow shell]

how old am I

[proven tide]

er

early 2018

[hollow shell]

I was thinking back to Post-DoG Murasama

[half basalt]

Have a giant Murasama like weapon for endgame.

[sand umbra]

post-DoG murasama would actually be good

[queen sail]

Honestly murasama needs a progression change

[sand umbra]

because you can get close enough to Yharon to use it, with the right plays

[arctic notch]

For one boss.

[hearty plaza]

we need a Big Ol Sword that can actually hit SCal without any fancy projectile nonsense

[queen delta]

make it so rev eternia crystal has only 1 hp and all OOA enemies are 2x faster and 2x more health

[proven tide]

die

[dusty stirrup]

Murasa would be useable against normal enemies atleast

[queen sail]

Really yat

[proven tide]

what if:

damage scaling arkh

[queen sail]

Also yes normal enemies

[sand umbra]

when are you fighting normal enemies post-Yharon though

[dusty stirrup]

None

[queen sail]

When all that matters after yharon is gaining exo gear and scal

[half basalt]

AND size scaling arkh

[hollow shell]

Who would win
One crystal from another dimension guarded by a decked out player character
or
one snotty boi

[arctic notch]

A Damage Scaling Murasama would make more sense.

[dusty stirrup]

I'm talking about if it went back to being post-dog

[half basalt]

[sand umbra]

ah

yeah that'd be nice, honestly

[queen sail]

Post dog it’d be fine

[proven tide]

nobody:
my pathetic glass-cannon-addicted ass: *dies in two hits to giant tortoises post-scal*

[sand umbra]

since then it'd get use for Yharon + beefy Eclipse

[queen sail]

Because post yharon there’s so little niches

[proven tide]

idea: halve giant tortoise contact damage

[arctic notch]

As you get it as soon as you find the shrine.

[hollow shell]

Sounds like a good change

someone suggest it

[arctic notch]

I will.

[proven tide]

rover

you suggest it

purple name

purple game

[hollow shell]

Franswal kinda did but he was very specific about it

[half basalt]

@hollow shell what, the size scale or damage scale or both?

[hollow shell]

What

[sand umbra]

i had an idea for a murasama rework but i suppose i can shift that back to being a unique weapon

i think i prefer it as one anyway

[proven tide]

balls?

[half basalt]

You said x was a good suggestion

[sand umbra]

smalls

but yeah
post-DoG Murasama

[hollow shell]

Yeah that

[sand umbra]

yee or naw

[hollow shell]

moving Murasama back

is what I was referring to

[half basalt]

Ah

[hollow shell]

@arctic notch booo

Suggestion Don'ts

[dusty stirrup]

yee

[proven tide]

when you: mura and discharge at the same tier

[half basalt]

Ye, seems reasonable

[queen sail]

Nahhhhh

[sand umbra]

-3-

[hollow shell]

You can't suggest a scaling weapon

[queen sail]

Scaling weps turn balance into poo

[sand umbra]

anywho excuse me for a moment I gotta write this up

h

[proven tide]

when i said scaling arkh i was joking

[half basalt]

Wait really

[queen sail]

Like really bad

[arctic notch]

You just said someone suggest it do that.

[hollow shell]

No

[proven tide]

... no

[sand umbra]

no

not at all

[proven tide]

OOF

[hollow shell]

I said someone suggest it be moved to Post-DoG

[proven tide]

^

[half basalt]

No, he meant Thomas' suggestion.

[arctic notch]

The Halibut Cannon does that.

[sand umbra]

and now I can't suggest the actual suggestion because it'll count as chaining

fuck

[proven tide]

and the halibut is asshole

[hollow shell]

Halibut Cannon is not a baseline

[arctic notch]

There.

[proven tide]

thomas go it's gone

[dusty stirrup]

Halibut cannon is a very rare weapon and a one of a kind

[arctic notch]

I deleted it so you can suggest that.

[proven tide]

a very special kind

[hollow shell]

Seems like people are goin on ahead

[dusty stirrup]

Having multiple scaling weapons (oh no legendaries) would kinda ruin that

[proven tide]

nobody:
ranged:

[dusty stirrup]

Let's make halibut classless hahauo

[proven tide]

[sand umbra]

and now--

[queen sail]

There you go

[sand umbra]

OH COME ON

[queen sail]

@sand umbra get memed

[proven tide]

and moons

[queen sail]

[hollow shell]

Thank you Kirb

[sand umbra]

fucking
i was in the middle of typing it up

e

[hollow shell]

get shrekt tom

[proven tide]

keep it there

[sand umbra]

well, this works

[proven tide]

post it in three weeks

[hollow shell]

Post it after his gets delivered so it can have turbo ride to Highly Suggested

[sand umbra]

high IQ strats

I like it

[queen sail]

Kentucky Fried Chicken yum 😋

[sand umbra]

[proven tide]

rover, you're a dev

you can 🏁 it

[hollow shell]

No

[half basalt]

[sand umbra]

rip

[hollow shell]

Only Ozza can do that :P

[proven tide]

😨

[half basalt]

@ Ozza then

[proven tide]

@ ozziboi YWY

[half basalt]

(Jk dont do that)

[queen sail]

Finally the two useless endgame weapons are going to become useful

:pogai:

[arctic notch]

Two?

What's the other?

[queen sail]

Drat

[arctic notch]

Ah.

[hollow shell]

Referring to an unrelated suggestion

[queen sail]

Aka worse than the weapon it’s made of

[proven tide]

rover, the True sugg is ❕ed

[half basalt]

Murasama and Drataliorniusliguinispaghettithingamabob.

[proven tide]

ah, drat

[hollow shell]

Thanks

[proven tide]

wait no i should have left it checked so it would be deleted by tomorrow

[queen delta]

yes make murasama not meme-tier bad

[proven tide]

is watching the armstrong fight in the background

this isn't my sword

anyway

[queen sail]

Post yharon murasama can literally only be used in two parts

[proven tide]

dualscreen memes

[half basalt]

Don't leave Murasama with the Wand Of Sparking and Copper Shortsword.

[proven tide]

post-yharon mura is

[queen sail]

Because you’ll have better weapons to grind the previous events with

[proven tide]

well, fuck, whose idea was it to balance it like that in the first place?

[queen delta]

murasama is straight-up useless post-yharon

[queen sail]

You can use it on BR at most

[half basalt]

Hey guys. Muramasa is useless right

[queen delta]

ark of the cosmos and exoblade is far better

[arctic notch]

Why not give it a right-click function where it swings like a broadsword, is slower, but does more damage?

[queen delta]

lmao i wouldnt even think about using murasama for BR

so nah

[queen sail]

But like yeah

It’s honestly not worth it

[proven tide]

make mura unlock pre-yharim if your username is jack

[half basalt]

..no one mentions i said Muramasa instead of Murasama. Meep.

[sand umbra]

muramasa is literally just an NE mat

change my mind

[half basalt]

Nah

[queen sail]

If a cool and interesting weapon exists it should at least be useful in some way

A what material

[sand umbra]

Night's Edge

[queen sail]

Oh

[half basalt]

Night's Edgelordfuckoff.

That.

[sand umbra]

Muramasa is that one sword nobody uses for itself but rather to instantly make into Night's Edge

hueh

[queen sail]

Thought you were still talking about Gay Puerto Rican Samurai sword

[queen delta]

we're talking about mura-sama kun

[sand umbra]

or Bloody Edge if you're feeling particularly dark and broody this evening

[half basalt]

[hearty plaza]

Why does summoner get nothing after Yharon 1

[proven tide]

this convo has devolved hard

[queen sail]

Uhhhhh

Probably because summon code big meme

[sand umbra]

oh yeah
vetus weren't you typing up a thesis

[half basalt]

Cloneutcherer?

[zenith hazel]

summoner gets kindle staff though

[queen sail]

Wait yeah you do

You get chicken nugget staff

[hearty plaza]

Kindle staff drops from yharon 1

[queen sail]

You said post yharon 1

[zenith hazel]

which is enough to carry you through yharon 2

[hearty plaza]

and what i meant is "it gets nothing that drops from after yharon 1"

my wording kinda sucks

[half basalt]

Is the wand a mem

[proven tide]

i was gonna type up a thesis

[half basalt]

Orr

[proven tide]

i've still got the start of it prepped in my clipboard

[hearty plaza]

anyways why does it get nothing from SCal when all of the other classes fo

[sand umbra]

i still wanna hear your thesis tbf, it intrigued me

please, ramble to me, i want to hear

[hearty plaza]

(apart from demonshade armor, but every class gets demonshade armor)

[proven tide]

but it starts with oh yay, a break in the convo which was only when i started typing it

[queen sail]

Do you realize how viable the fuckin chickens are

[proven tide]

it's been nonstop chaos since

[arctic notch]

Why complain about Murasama, just name yourself Sam.

Jk.

[proven tide]

oh shit rover

[half basalt]

The much quicker way of saying what thomas said:
PREACH!

[proven tide]

i'm gonna have to commit remake max damage summon meme

[hearty plaza]

itd be nice to get a weapon from defeating the final boss

[half basalt]

...

[proven tide]

for context i spent hours designing the perfect setup to give you the maximum percentage summon damage buff

[half basalt]

Was that a real question.

[queen sail]

Sooooo

[proven tide]

you do get a summon weapon from him

[queen sail]

You want a post scal summon wep

[proven tide]

buuut not from p1

final boss is yharon

[half basalt]

Well it aint happenin

[hearty plaza]

ok

[half basalt]

Do you mean the superboss?

[proven tide]

i'm so confused please help me

[queen sail]

Technically scal is but from an intended standpoint yeah Magician’s Red is

[proven tide]

what's going on

[hearty plaza]

i thought SCal was the final boss

[proven tide]

magician's red

I CAN'T

[hearty plaza]

eh, we all say things differently

[proven tide]

n

no

[queen sail]

Also if you want a scal summon wep then uhhhh

[proven tide]

yharon is listed as final boss regardless of how you say it

chchch check the wiki

[queen sail]

Idk what to tell you because scal is only locked to dev weps

[proven tide]

also that

[hearty plaza]

OH

damn i just be not knowing things, huh

[proven tide]

hey can sd be summon damage @dusty stirrup

[half basalt]

Although tbf I count SCal as the actual last boss.

[dusty stirrup]

Fuck no

[half basalt]

Fuck yes

[proven tide]

therefore no scal summon weapon

tadahh

[hearty plaza]

what

[proven tide]

vetus become dev as lorewriter just to get summon dev weapon implemented

[half basalt]

Go home, brug.

You're drunk.

[dusty stirrup]

There's one dev that wants a summon wep so it'll happen at some point

[hearty plaza]

cool

[proven tide]

inb4 wof drop

[dusty stirrup]

nah it's demonshade

[proven tide]

yaay

finally people can do something with their endgame summoner setup that isn't eight chicken

😄

oh shit do i actually get to say a break in the convo

[queen sail]

Why summon baby chickens when you can eat them tbh

[proven tide]

thesis time

n e v e r m i n d

[half basalt]

insert emote of chicken with baby yharon face stapled on

[hearty plaza]

or like 6 nuggets and a strange glowy disc thing

[proven tide]

immat vores iframes

it's not supposed to but it does

[hearty plaza]

oh

thats probably why my dps sucks ass when i try beating scal

[proven tide]

my dps with it comes in bursts that do ~150k less than just having more chickens

[half basalt]

So... Cosmic Immaterializer sucks aaaaaaapple?

[proven tide]

more than it reasonably should

remove immat cap when

[swift bison]

the strat for Cal with summoner is one immat. minion, 2 nuggets from godly soul artefact, 10 mechworm slots and if you have enough remaining minion slots to get another nugget then do so, otherwise add more mechworm segments

[hearty plaza]

immat vores iframes though

[hearty yew]

not anymore bitch

we fixed that

[hearty plaza]

cool

[proven tide]

as of this update? 👀

[hearty yew]

check the patch notes

immat explosions ignore iframes now

[proven tide]

[hearty yew]

anyway what I actually came here to say

[hearty plaza]

[hearty yew]

@queen sail nadir is unironically a better true melee weapon than murasama atm

[swift bison]

wait it's true melee now?

i thought it fired darksouls humanities or smthn

[hearty yew]

no but it will do more point blank damage

murasama's base damage is 666 and it hits every frame (60 times per second)

nadir's base damage is 1100

[swift bison]

and hits every frame?

[fluid stone]

can we like

buff murasama

[hearty yew]

and it also hits 60 times per second

[swift bison]

i'd say move murasama to post DoG if it were me

[hearty yew]

that's where it was and that's where it should be

right now it's devil's sunrise but useless

[swift bison]

then implement the purplesama for post darksun

[queen sail]

Honestly

I’d change Murasama into like

Yamato

[hearty yew]

murasama is a useless reference weapon

just like quite a few others to be fair

[queen sail]

Make it a unique weapon instead of “Cool reference weapon that is memey arkhalis”

[hollow shell]

Murasama's base damage is 999

[swift bison]

this is what i meant by purplesama btw

[queen sail]

Make it “Cool reference weapon that is Arkhalis that does shit and has unique functions”

[swift bison]

iirc it already has a slashing sprite

[queen sail]

Like give it a right click or smth

[sand umbra]

okay but here's a neat idea for a post-Yharon true melee wep

Casey

[queen sail]

SoA has Casey

[hollow shell]

Already exists

yeah

[queen sail]

Wish fulfilled

[hollow shell]

(unless that was the joke)

[sand umbra]

i've never played soa so like

lel

[queen sail]

Go do

[sand umbra]

also that's not the point
the point is that Casey or a weapon that functions like it would be perfect for true melee SCal

[queen sail]

Also sors you and the team should probably catch up with the soa devs sometime

[sand umbra]

seeing as a traditional true melee approach
doesn't exactly work with her

[swift bison]

what does casey do?

[queen sail]

You apparently changed the rev code again and it borked them over after they just fixed it

[hearty yew]

we have no intent of cross content with soa

[hollow shell]

Catch up?

oh

[hearty yew]

uhm

[queen sail]

Also smth smth they might do rev compatibility

[hearty yew]

I'll be happy to know

[sand umbra]

for reference, Casey is a Gungeon wep that is actually not a gun at all
it's a baseball bat, and when swung if it hits enemy projectiles it slaps 'em right back at the enemy

[hearty yew]

That I WROTE the rev mod compatibility myself

And you know what they did, they got dradon to hack together rev compatibility on their sidd

They didn't write it themselves

And dradon's hacky code broke because I stopped returning functions and he started eating errors

& as such now SoA is in broken land again

[queen sail]

You should probably work that out with them

[hearty yew]

I already have

[queen sail]

Alright

[hearty yew]

I already told dradon 10 minutes before the update even launched

It's on SoA to fix

I provide thorough documentation on calamity cross mod compatibility, and if they choose to use hard reflection or something else, it's their fault

[swift bison]

An idea for the purplesama or whatever it's called: if it were to get implemented it's right click could be like a RoD teleport, but it leaves a slash projectile from your previous position to your current one that is considered true melee nd does a boatload of damage, (very anime ik)

[queen sail]

Bruh

[hearty yew]

patrons and suggestions alike have asked for that on their weapon

[queen sail]

I was literally thinking the same thing for yamato

[hearty yew]

I don't know if or when purplesama will ever exist

[swift bison]

oof, well ok

[queen sail]

But it leaves a trail of slice spheres behind

[hearty yew]

or whether murasama will ever be useful

[queen sail]

Well it can be useful but you guys put it in the spot where it never will be

[swift bison]

it does have a weapon sprite, a slashing sprite, and a buff sprite that could be used for the slash teleport cooldown

[hearty yew]

but it's definitely not high priority to maintain the massive cemetery of useless references in this mod

Just the most recent ones, in this case borderlands

🙃

[queen sail]

Add more non-borderlands ref rivs when

[swift bison]

there's a bit too many borderlands references atm imo

[queen sail]

Bc atm 85% of them are borderlands refs

Instead of unique weps

[swift bison]

purplesama slash sprite

[queen sail]

Try doing vanilla wep rivs, maybe

[hearty yew]

thanks

I have source access

I'm aware it exists

oh yeah all the rivs are just accessories and guns it's fucking disgusting

only some of them are actually unique and they're all cop outs for finishing legendaries

[swift bison]

even the ones that arent guns are guns (thunderstorm)

[proven tide]

ozz throwing real shade

[hearty yew]

think about that

[proven tide]

thunderstooorm

[hearty yew]

hell yeah I'll shade calamity

[proven tide]

OH FUCK YEAH ARE YOU DOWN

[queen sail]

Also you guys really left legendaries behind ngl

[proven tide]

THIS IS TIME FOR

[queen sail]

Even if some of them are useful

[proven tide]

@sand umbra it's thesis hour

time to address My Issues With Calamity's Balance Habits That Just Exacerbate Existing Vanilla Issues

[swift bison]

PONG :papfury:

[sand umbra]

real thesis hours

[hearty yew]

send me your essay in DMs

I will actually read it

[queen sail]

Wow i thought thomas was sleeping

[hearty yew]

I'm not kidding

[proven tide]

[hearty plaza]

send it to me too

[half basalt]

Me as well

[hearty yew]

don't send it here I'm probably going to sleep in 20 minutes and it'll get drowned out

[queen sail]

Or just post it here

Wow

[proven tide]

how about i send it h—

[swift bison]

I am also interested in reading your essay

[sand umbra]

imagine thinking I'm sleeping before half past 1 in the morning iirc

[proven tide]

alright cool i'll send it here for all y'all and pm it

[hearty yew]

well of course you can post it here

[proven tide]

just uh

[hearty yew]

I just won't read the copy posted here

[proven tide]

pm me if you want it and i'll get back to your tags

but i'll leave a public copy here

sound good? sound good

[hearty yew]

in all seriousness

[queen sail]

Anyways if you’re gonna do references to other media can you guys expand the games you like

Like please

How many borderlands references are in this mod

[hearty yew]

While I like being salty/memey and throwing shade at the mod I dev for

40+

[queen sail]

Like just

Do Kirby or smth

[hearty yew]

More borderlands refs than bosses

[sand umbra]

[hearty yew]

Wish I was kidding

[queen sail]

Fuckin Hollow Knight

[sand umbra]

i require more gungeon references

tbf

[queen sail]

Celeste

[hearty yew]

Celeste actually deserves it though

[swift bison]

it does

[sand umbra]

confession time: I've never played Celeste

[hearty yew]

I wanted to add a badeline accessory

[sand umbra]

[swift bison]

YESSS

[queen sail]

Even fuckin’ jojo

[swift bison]

BADELINE ACCESSORY

[queen sail]

Anything but more Borderlands

[sand umbra]

I should play it at some point, I think

[queen sail]

We have enough Borderlands references

[queen delta]

why was murasama moved to post yharon anyways? it used to be post-DoG

[hearty yew]

three clones follow you around which don't do anything except iframe ignoring contact damage

@queen delta because final boss or something idk

[queen sail]

Yes

[queen delta]

hmm

[hearty yew]

the downside of course, they also kill you

lmao

[queen sail]

Use a true melee weapon on a boss that true melee is completely ineffective on

[sand umbra]

[swift bison]

@hearty yew do you have the authority to provide permission to use calamity assets, because in the event that the purplesama doesn't get implemented i sorta want to see if i can implement it in my addon mod

[half basalt]

Why are there so many goddamned borderland references, like who on the dev team is addicted to it

[queen sail]

Omega brain

[queen delta]

fab iirc

[queen sail]

Fab i think

He really likes it

[half basalt]

Ahh, that would explain it all.

[hearty yew]

@swift bison those assets have been released to the public. I don't have permission to let you do it, but since they're public I also can't and won't stop you

any game fab has played is likely to get refs

revengeance started it all

[queen sail]

I’m pretty sure he forgot MGR at this point

[hearty yew]

now we've got HK, a little bit of fallout w/ the radiation slime, borderlands, borderlands, borderlands, resident evil

[queen delta]

i can tell he probably played btd at some point cuz of MOAB

[swift bison]

@hearty yew ok thanks

[sand umbra]

you forgot borderlands

[half basalt]

Well yeah, but
Goddamn, dont he play any other games that aint borders?

[sand umbra]

[queen delta]

he plays fallout

[hearty yew]

any time you're wondering "why is this in the game"

if it's not a dev item

it's because fab added it

[sand umbra]

and of course, bloons tower defense 4, home of the MOAB

...or at least I think it was 4

[half basalt]

Y

[queen sail]

Literally reference any media that isn’t borderlands

[hearty yew]

like that's all the unexplained additions

[queen sail]

Bc holy shit we got alot

[hearty yew]

sure isn't helping gun ranger meta

[hearty plaza]

the moab is in 4 and above

[proven tide]

before i afk for five hours reminder to pm me if you wanna read my complaints™

[half basalt]

Already did

[queen sail]

How about we add the HK Nail with a progression lineup like biome blade

[half basalt]

Sent you "meep"

[proven tide]

also i think i'ma make it a word doc so you can all comment in the thing and add your own thoughts

[hearty yew]

Anyway as I was trying to say before I set off this raging inferno of a roast

While I like being salty and throwing shade about the mod I dev for, I much prefer concrete solutions and making sure Calamity delivers the cohesive and immersive experience everyone wants it to.

[hearty plaza]

joostmod already adds the nail

[queen sail]

Steal their code

[proven tide]

delivers the cohesive and immersive experience

[queen sail]

Assimilate all

[proven tide]

Q U O T I N G

[hearty yew]

?

that's my goal and that's why I'm so concerned about bugs and small inconsistencies

ruins immersion

[queen sail]

I mean yeah

[hearty yew]

like

[proven tide]

you put into words something i've wanted to get at with the Big Overhaul Complaint™

[hearty yew]

fire marnite obliterator sometime

shit floats a whole foot away from your hand

what the fuck??

Who thought that was ok

[sand umbra]

Astral Infection is still painfully blank for the most part

[half basalt]

^

[proven tide]

did you know after two years the marnite spear's hitbox still isn't fixed

[sand umbra]

though that's at least partially my own hopes for more AI content

[hearty yew]

also wtf does this have to do with overhaul

[proven tide]

i mean

[queen sail]

Even if something’s bad it’s better off that we try our best to make it better instead of circlejerking that calameme bad thorium godmod

[proven tide]

overhauling the balance

[hearty yew]

Oh

I was gonna say

[hearty plaza]

damn it sure does float

[hearty yew]

You'd need to write a whole fucking dissertation on overhauls problems lmao

[sand umbra]

imagine ever using overhaul iirc

[proven tide]

underhaul hour

[queen sail]

Overhaul

More like

[hearty yew]

🔥

[hearty plaza]

underhaul is the best mod

[queen sail]

Cool in concept

[half basalt]

Over...kill

[queen sail]

But meme otherwise

[half basalt]

Gottem

[sand umbra]

i want to like overhaul's idea i really do
but there's a line that needs to be drawn somewhere probably

[hearty yew]

yeah Kirby you said it well

I want to stop the circlejerk and start the serious and open discussion

But unfortunately calamity dev is completely closed doors

[queen sail]

Like seeing someone completely overhaul terraria’s code into something else is nice

[half basalt]

I haven't played Overhaul much, what's so wrong with it

[queen sail]

But in the long term it just becomes

:ech:

[hearty yew]

And the mod continues to spiral out of control in a way

You know "the floor is lava" memes

"The floor is adding Draedon"

I wish I was kidding

But I will stand by that roast

[sand umbra]

...can I point out something

[proven tide]

the floor is adding draedon

[sand umbra]

something that's been bothering me for a fair while

[proven tide]

the floor is listening to summoner mains

[half basalt]

Ok, woow, people have some complaints.

[hearty yew]

yes

[queen sail]

Also tbf Ozz isn’t the only person I’ve seen that shits on Calamity despite working for it

[hearty yew]

far from the only one

[sand umbra]

or, rather, something that really bothers me about the latest update

[queen sail]

Terry shits on the mod like

Whenever it’s brought up

[hearty yew]

I'm just one of the most visible and notable

[proven tide]

saw someone the other day call the dev team and community heads fab's cronies

[queen sail]

Yet still works for it

[sand umbra]

namely:

Rev+ boss changes.
Time to get smited.

[proven tide]

i then asked about danny and they didn't know who he was

[queen sail]

Like apparently you guys have him handle the summon weps?

[hearty yew]

@proven tide they're wrong, especially if they don't know who Danny is

[half basalt]

Well, time to hear the complaints I guess.

[hearty yew]

Terry hasn't coded for us in months

[queen sail]

Probably busy with mutant boss

[half basalt]

What is Terry?
A coder? Spriter?

[queen delta]

coder

[proven tide]

a mutant

[queen sail]

Coder

And the most psychotic one

[half basalt]

A coder that doesnt code

[queen delta]

Dominic replaced terry now at least

[hollow shell]

Oh Terry codes

[quiet abyss]

Terry's busy with real life and fargo's mod.

[hollow shell]

he just doesn't code for us

[quiet abyss]

^

[half basalt]

Ah

[quiet abyss]

Atleast, he hasn't for a long time now

[hollow shell]

Yeah

[queen sail]

He’s still a dev either way

[hearty yew]

Tom: fabsol went on a neurotic work spree to distract himself from IRL issues and also just learned how to properly make boss AI, so now all y'all trying to have the Definitive Calamity Experience are instead playing bootleg masomode

[hollow shell]

Hive Mind AI was the big thing he did

[proven tide]

alright so while i like approaching and discussing serious issues with the mod i'm getting concerned with how this is slowly becoming petty complaints for their own sakes

[sand umbra]

.

o

[hearty yew]

it's because everyone wants to be heard, understood and agreed with

Instead of wanting to improve the calamity mod

[quiet abyss]

^

[proven tide]

^

[hearty yew]

This is how echo chambers happen

[proven tide]

structured and cohesive discourse when

[hearty yew]

Ladies and gentlemen you just watched the echo chamber effect

[half basalt]

@proven tide start the discussion then, what do you want to talk about?

[proven tide]

oh right, when i stop chatting and start committing hamilton

[queen sail]

Welcome to the Terraria Community

What can I get ya

[hearty yew]

Not going to fault anyone here of course

It's just a cool observation

[proven tide]

good segue

cya in a few hours pholks

[half basalt]

Jeez, its that long?

Well uh

Someone say something before this gets awkward.

[hearty plaza]

thorium delivers an experience that's more closely balanced to vanilla terraria. apart from Ragnarok

[queen sail]

Also tbf we really are arguing about a game that’s just a nice little random sandbox in the end

[sand umbra]

tbf I'd totally be down for helping with LC
I have entirely too many ideas for LC and entirely too few ways (none) to implement them in EE

[hearty yew]

It's a niche sandbox that's sold 25,000,000 copies

That ain't niche

[half basalt]

"Random" is not the word I would use to describe it.

[sand umbra]

I don't know much about boss AI but I can figure it out

[hearty yew]

That's top 100 video games of all time friend

[half basalt]

Yeah. What Ozza said.

[queen sail]

It is

[hollow shell]

Calamity tries really hard to make Terraria into a more serious experience

[hearty yew]

And we're one of the top 5 mods ever

[hollow shell]

The original game and devs didn't really care much about balance and such

[quiet abyss]

And we didn't even mean to be

[hollow shell]

they just did things

[sand umbra]

[hollow shell]

because they wanted to

[sand umbra]

daily reminder that the meowmere exists

[queen sail]

Though in the end I feel like Terraria became popular simply because it was fun in the end

[hearty yew]

LC is already reworked. wut?

[sand umbra]

[queen sail]

Meowmere

If you want a good Meowmere then Nyanmere exists

[half basalt]

@hollow shell daedalus stormbow being in the same mimic loot table as vile shard, just post ml period, golem, moon lord

[queen delta]

im looking forward to the time that deathmode becomes an innovative difficulty

[hearty yew]

literally never

can hard confirm that for ya rn

[queen sail]

Nobody on the dev team really likes death mode tbh

[sand umbra]

rip

[hearty yew]

fab hates deathmode

[quiet abyss]

Deathmode ain't a priority and won't be for a while, if ever.

[queen delta]

[half basalt]

Meowmere, Celebration, Portal Gun, Space. Dolphin. Machine. Gun.

[queen sail]

It just exists so people can flex

[sand umbra]

mfw I like the idea of Death Mode for some reason

[hearty yew]

he hates it because it's a balance annoyance

I do too

I would remove it

[half basalt]

Why does fab hate death mod- oh

[hearty yew]

Unnecessary complexity

[half basalt]

Nuuuu dont

[foggy kindle]

Celebration is something that I almost forgot it exists

[hearty yew]

I would also remove a LOT of other things though

[half basalt]

Likee

[hearty yew]

I'm a firm believer in less is more

[queen sail]

Can we remove the Calamity Mod

[quiet abyss]

Well, it also acts as a way for challenge gamers to have fun if they find rev too easy, so I suppose that's one good thing about it.

[queen sail]

[hearty yew]

someone get me a thanos snap gif

I'd snap the worse half of the content in calamity because that would make it better

[half basalt]

[hearty yew]

...right?

[quiet abyss]

🤔

[hearty yew]

...right???

[queen sail]

Maybe

[half basalt]

like what

[proven tide]

got your back uwu

[hearty yew]

siren's old AI

[queen sail]

And now

[hearty yew]

Greentide sword

[half basalt]

What, her inescapable charge?

[smoky wagon]

Yeet the demonic ptichfork plz

[hearty yew]

Yes

[queen sail]

Neptune’s Bounty ceases to exist

[half basalt]

Greentide?

[hearty plaza]

there isnt really a reason to use non-calamity weapons for the most part

[queen sail]

DEMONIC PITCHFORK

FUCKING

[half basalt]

Tf is that thing

[hearty yew]

Demonic Pitchfork. Neptune's Bounty. 2/3rds of the swords in the mod

Yes 2/3rds of them

[half basalt]

Why tho

[queen sail]

NEVER MENTION THAT UNGODLY PIECE OF SHIT EVER AGAIN

[quiet abyss]

Calm down on the caps

[hearty yew]

he's right tho

[queen sail]

Oh my god sorry but

[half basalt]

Demonic Pitchfork.

[hearty yew]

though yes don't caps lock