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#suggestions-discussion
ashen warren
proven tide
if you want to end half of all things in one click
dense vapor
a staff and a tome
placid moth
Fabstaff and Apotheosis ?
lost agate
Theres like 5 weapons actually
proven tide
or yermes if you want to destroy pvp
dense vapor
the only weapon class that doesn't have an end game representation is magic gun i think
proven tide
fabstaff and dance of light are reportedly viable but one lags my game too hard and the other is commit on-screen target
dense vapor
and rocket launchers
sand umbra
the issue is that, at least in current version, none of the dev-tier mage weps are particularly reliable to use
sand umbra
staff of blue magic
proven tide
blushie
sand umbra
proven tide
ywy
sand umbra
a.k.a. that one that looks cool as all mother fuck but never actually gets used iirc
proven tide
more true melee than actual endgame true melee
proven tide
what is uh
sand umbra
Fabstaff is bruh
ashen warren
Anyway, the taking damage effects should be changed yes, DR cap should stay as-is or slightly nerfed in the diminishing returns to make 40% at least possible.
Exoblade right-click that shoots no projectile good?
Summoner still shafted endgame
sand umbra
i mean alternatively
we could make some real viability for the actual true melee option that's been sitting in hell shrines collecting dust forever
proven tide
balls?
sand umbra
smalls.
dense vapor
Poor rogue
sand umbra
I'm not saying make 'Sama bigger.
ashen warren
Rogue is king atm
proven tide
đ
zenith hazel
rogue is godly wdym
ashen warren
It's the biggest boi endgame class prolly.
zenith hazel
since when was it subpar
ashen warren
not even including a certain shadowspec spear
dense vapor
they were going to update it because it was falling behind at most levels of the game
placid moth
SD is slow though
ashen warren
And it excels at certain hardmode and prehardmode points
dense vapor
except like doggo
zenith hazel
which levels?
proven tide
Can we address somehow rebalancing the ENORMOUS blend of effects that both encourage taking damage, discourage taking damage, and scale with hp?
dense vapor
idk, i just remember hearing about an upcoming rogue update
ashen warren
simple
proven tide
and also tone down the buffing-the-player-only-when-they-damage-things thing
dense vapor
also how all their weapons are non exclusive
proven tide
that was kinda nebula's solo gimmick
placid moth
minion slots scaling with hp
sand umbra
mechworm when you lose one be like
proven tide
see my #bugs-read-pins posts for how well that goes
sand umbra
ashen warren
Change all of them like this: taking damage helps you if you take more damage via damage avoidance effects.
Taking no damage buffs damage.
proven tide
ozz himself said we should remove conditional minion slots
ashen warren
This includes health scaling obv
proven tide
while we're at it let's remove 75% of health-conditional effects generally
sand umbra
conditional minion slots are a bad mechanic
proven tide
oh hey seq we're in tomorrow
sand umbra
change my mind
void kelp
iirc removing conditional effects is something thatâll remove bugs too
ashen warren
proven tide
iirc removing bugs removes an entire gimmick/gag terraria and calamity have going
bees
sand umbra
it all comes back to bees
but yeah
aren't a lot, or at least a fair portion, of bugs attributable to these conditional effects on accs
dense vapor
what sold me on terraria was the bee loadouts
ashen warren
Not just accs.
ashen warren
Armours alsost.
dense vapor
Lava drowned playthrough
zenith hazel
the small minority of people who fight provi in lava
sand umbra
like, unironically
ashen warren
yeah that is sortof a meme
placid moth
Actually, you can sit in lava to summon more powerful minions, I guess.
proven tide
people who fight provi in lava
ashen warren
who tf
proven tide
hang on 
ashen warren
zenith hazel
still trying to look for them
dense vapor
lava damage is preferable to whatever provi dishes out
ashen warren
nice brav
zenith hazel
they probably exist, idk
proven tide
imagine not having lethal lava at all times
hey remember when lava is so fucking buggy that it instakills you during i-frames with lava immunity during br
dense vapor
thats a deliberate feature
proven tide
sand umbra
new mechanic: Provi being in lava now immensely heals her thus completely obsoleting VoE's lava boost
hueh
proven tide
if i take damage then deliberately drop myself into lava i take no damage
ashen warren
i've got it
An accessory that makes lava act like air to you and makes it far more seethrough.
sand umbra
proven tide
because i'm wearing the tracers
but if i get teleported to hell, fuck me if i'm standing on a slab block when i arrive
lava instadeath time
void kelp
lava charm
dense vapor
seven seconds have passed
proven tide
rewinding back past lava to the point: it'd be nice to have a more streamlined (NOT simplified) balance ethos that actually weighs debuffs, damage, and conditional effects against each other in roughly equal proportions (if we're going to keep up this addiction to conditional effects; but i'd prefer it if we could shift to the reaper tooth necklace, fungal symbiote, spirit glyph kind of unique or flat effects)
this itself requiring less addiction to Bigger Numbers for (base) damage and Smaller Numbers for firerate, and more into other aspects of battle than just the weapon and armour
ashen warren
Post-skele sky glaze?
sand umbra
personally I can get behind an Aerialite-tier Sky Glaze tbf
ashen warren
so what you'd use it for like 2 seconds against SG and then nothing?
zenith hazel
bone glaze because I hate myself
ashen warren
Feels like bloooat.
sand umbra
always perplexed me why the weapon is post-EoC when it looks much like Aerialite weps
lethal roost
ok fair point
lost agate
(spoiler alert: sky glaze triggers i frames like crazy, thats why its bad on single targets)
lost agate
Mhm
ashen warren
yeah but SG is 3-5
zenith hazel
honestly, why not an upgrade for early hardmode for the worms?
lost agate
Cuz uh
ashen warren
Desert.. caramelize?
tired haven
One concern I have about all these weps sky glaze-esque, is that we already have like 5 in prehm
lost agate
Meteor staff
zenith hazel
essences of sunlight shenanigans
dense vapor
sky glaze is one of those things that goes in auto trash after I have one
placid moth
yes
sand umbra
One concern I have about all these weps sky glaze-esque, is that we already have like 5 in prehm
names pls
I know of Sky Glaze and I guess Icicle Staff
proven tide
shaderain and uh
ashen warren
We have the evil boss ones
dense vapor
marnite gear
tired haven
Icicle staff, Sky Glaze, Bloodbath, Shadowdrop Staff, Hellwing Staff
ashen warren
Shadowdrop is bullshit strong for WoF last I used it
dense vapor
thats right, shadowdrop and crimson variants feel like bloat
tired haven
You could count bb and shadowdrop as one with evil biome counterpart but they act differently so I still consider them as 2
proven tide
you want post-skele sky glaze you gotta find someway to match hellwing
ashen warren
I object to a qb enrage for 1 reason.
fierce hedge
Which is
ashen warren
Dodging her fucking RAIN of stingers sucks ass.
dense vapor
feathers come in a direction that is a line from the player's chest to the cursor
void kelp
also QB can spawn at random bc of redcode
zenith hazel
imagine a larva in a planetoid accidentally breaking somehow and you have a pissed off bee charging towards you at mach 20
ashen warren
just hollow out a massive arena in the underground jungle in pre-hm 4head
yeah terri that sound fun 
fierce hedge
I mean, Just nerf the stinger part then so you can stay on the Jungle Surface
Ngl its pretty dumb but Queen Bee is a Jungle Boss
But can be fought anywhere, which sucks
ashen warren
A QB nerf would make her trivial due to reasons.
dense vapor
are there any post moonlord grappling hooks?
sand umbra
homing stingers?
dense vapor
or minecarts?
sand umbra
i already don't like this
ashen warren
sand umbra
planetoids
ashen warren
well shit guys guess we better make yharon enrage if you leave the jungle too
dense vapor
oh wait
fierce hedge
Yharon is a whole other story.
sand umbra
also PBG should enrage if you leave the Jungle
lost agate
QB already has an enrage
sand umbra
.
civic rampart
leave that to maso ex tbh
dense vapor
burden breaker
sand umbra
oh wait 
ashen warren
civic rampart
the yharon enrage outside jungle
dense vapor
ok hotshot
lost agate
And you didnt notice the lack of bee summoning phases?
dense vapor
kind of hard to see what she's firing in between the stars
ashen warren
The bee summoning phases are free damage vro
lost agate
She literally stands still on bee phase
ashen warren
She just sits there doing nothing
queen bee spawns moss hornets if you leave the jungle, there
lost agate
Vro
dense vapor
moss hornets I like it
ashen warren
I kinda like that ngl.
fierce hedge
Actually, Sounds nice.
sand umbra
QB spawning stronger mooks when enraged is a neat idea, tbf.
sand umbra
Considering her normal bees die in 1 hit from anything that isn't the funny haha xd meme weapon.
ashen warren
that's a maso ex feature you fools
proven tide
qb summoning rings of hornets
fierce hedge
I would change the suggestion but Terry came up with it.
ashen warren
moss hornets dont drop stingers you know
fierce hedge
Sooooo
ashen warren
because vanilla is well designed and consistent
fierce hedge
Unless you don't mind Terry.
lost agate
You know how hard moss hornets are to kill right
sand umbra
brb making moss hornets drop stingers
ashen warren
change your sugma ig
sand umbra
fierce hedge
Exacly
lost agate
QB wouldnt be the boss
fierce hedge
Dont fight QB outside the Jungle
lost agate
Moss hornets would
sand umbra
moss hornets are the real boss fight
lost agate
Dude
ashen warren
Y'know that fits a bee shucks.
lost agate
Its supposed to be an enrage, not to make it impossible
dense vapor
moss hornets are ok
sand umbra
Enrages shouldn't make shit impossible. smh
ashen warren
she summons the whole hive
lost agate
Theres a difference between making it harder for balance and downright a fuck you
sand umbra
a.k.a. why does DS get invincible outside the Desert again
lost agate
She already does.
zenith hazel
doesnât she- yea
dense vapor
i read that as desert scourge summoning hornets
ashen warren
She summons like 2 bees man
zenith hazel
lucky patterns probably
ashen warren
and they die in 1 hit
sand umbra
desert scourge summoning hornets
i've never seen a more frightening concept in my life
ashen warren
clearly what queen bee needs to do is instead of bees, spawn smaller queen bees that dont drop loot
fierce hedge
I only had the stinger rain and charge.
zenith hazel
besides iirc, running in a straight line counters the stinger spam
fierce hedge
Over and over
lost agate
Not DS you fool
ashen warren
That's just pbg
fierce hedge
Nothing else.
sand umbra
i can tell you how to make QB enrage neat
zenith hazel
make her spawn 2 mini QBs at low health
ashen warren
Running in a line sorta does but also no.
Because she flies so fast and so stupidly that she can just be right next to you when shooting.
fierce hedge
Does QB Dash only straight Horizontal?
zenith hazel
wait thatâs maso, nvm
ashen warren
yes, except no
dense vapor
a vertical qb dash would be cool
sand umbra
- spawns only Hornets instead of Bees
- dashes are slightly faster
- here's an idea for QB in general: in higher difficulties, her dashes could vary slightly in vertical alignment as her health lowers similar to PBG's
fierce hedge
What about the Dashes like PBG
dense vapor
or angled dashes
lost agate
Y'all remember we are talking about a pre hm boss here right?
zenith hazel
diagonal dashes sound... interesting?
void kelp
what if rev+ QB adjusted her trajectory while she dashed aka she adjusts midflight to try to meet you
dense vapor
mid pre hm
ashen warren
QB moves as fast as yharon
lost agate
Also pbg losing the only thing that makes her unique is bleh
ashen warren
idea: overdesign qb until she's more complicated than death hiih miim
problem solved
zenith hazel
would you have enough mobility for diagonal dashes onslaught?
sand umbra
I'm aware we're talking about a pre-Hardmode boss. o3o
lost agate
Probably not brav
zenith hazel
yeah exactly
lost agate
Which is another issue
fierce hedge
Not sure about this but, When QB is Dashing, She will spawn little bees/hornest along the way behind her
void kelp
what if we just do exactly what masomode does but relabel it entirely
lost agate
No
ashen warren
say sike right now
dense vapor
keep buffing and designing queen bee until she is the new blushiemagic
sand umbra
I'm also aware that DS becomes invincible outside the Desert, Perf Hive becomes invincible outside Crimson I think, HiiH MiiM gets faster outside the Corruption and takes like no damage, and the Crimulan Slime God's defense is a meme once the Core dies.
lost agate
Masomode can keep his mechanics, we dont have to steal them
zenith hazel
so QB dashing while summoning minions, essentially hiih miim?
sand umbra
essentially EoC
sand umbra
you can't claim that's a HiiH MiiM exclusive mechanic because now Rev+ EoC is gonna do it too
void kelp
actually, Iâd be fine if QB became more like rev+ EoC but harder
sand umbra
the issue with a potential QB enrage is that you'd have to account for planetoids somehow
lost agate
EoC is not gonna do what hive mind does
fierce hedge
It's also bc Queen Bee is just a really boring fight in my opinion too
sand umbra
it's still in a similar vein
fierce hedge
But thats not whats up rn
lost agate
Not really
tired haven
Also accidental larva breaks still exist
dense vapor
the planetoids are one off
tired haven
So punishing players for it is not nice
sand umbra
Yes really. A dash that spawns minions.
They're different in how they're executed but it's more or less the same on a fundamental level.
ashen warren
ok but real talk, no qb enrage imo
lost agate
^
fierce hedge
Welp then better off Yeeting the Junge Theme boss title out the window
sand umbra
QB enrage is just weird to set up because, as I've said, Planetoids exist and ruin everything
dense vapor
probably for the best
sand umbra
you can be fighting DoG and all of a sudden QB invites herself to the party
dense vapor
given how she can be summoned
ashen warren
and gives you free heart pickups
dense vapor
qb is really usefull post moonlord for those heart pickups
ashen warren
Because 
dps levels
zenith hazel
unless youâre in arma and uh... yes
fierce hedge
Ngl. Planetoids are more annoying than actually useful
Exept the giant Planetoid
bc Cinderplate
ashen warren
Just rush planetoids before literally anything else like me
They become your haven.
sand umbra
Ngl. Planetoids are more annoying than actually useful
fierce hedge
yeah that too
placid moth
Planetoids literally have all the gems, ores for your hooks and staves, so I'd really consider it to be VERY useful
fierce hedge
300 Gold in a few minutes**
lost agate
And like 200 of certain ore
fierce hedge
sand umbra
how dare you diss my ability to get gems and life crystals without wanting to kill myself trying to find them underground
zenith hazel
planetoids: enchanted sword shrine, mushroom planetoid for truffle, gems, life crystals, ores, cinderplate, exodium, etc.
need I say more?
ashen warren
The overload of gems, ores, crystals, the ench sword shrine, mushroom biomes, sky islands found easier.
ashen warren
fierce hedge
Jesus chrust
placid moth
Eh, I wouldn't put Truffle on Mushroom Planetoid.
dense vapor
its hard to get up there and survive early game
unless you do what I do and turtle HARD
zenith hazel
convenient as hell not having to make a god damn surface mushroom biome honestly
sand umbra
you know why? because i have nowhere else to put the bastard
lost agate
Anywho
Fights a boss
QB spawns fsr
QB dies
Adren resets
fierce hedge
Get some rope, Build up, Raid Planetoids, Pre-Boss complete
lost agate
sand umbra
zenith hazel
also yea, that problem also exists
dense vapor
and topaz/amethyst
zenith hazel
at least itâs something 
placid moth
I always get at least ruby or diamonds in planetoids.
dense vapor
but it was further off
placid moth
Diamond Hook early game is so good.
dense vapor
dia hook falls off sadly but yeah its so good
fierce hedge
5 minutes into the game
placid moth
But then you realise there is bat hook from goodie bags
zenith hazel
weâre still talking about suggestions right?
dense vapor
this is about planetoids being too strong
bat hook came up as a counter to easy dia hook
empty geyser
Twins lore suck
Invis barely does anything good, if not making you unable to see yourself
lost agate
(That suggestion is from yesterday smh)
fathom cedar
i am a d
ashen warren
omly thing good twins lore does is to catch truffle worms, but its still worse than just make them
hoary hinge
I'm pretty sure twins lore reduces aggro on multiplayer like the invis potion
dreamy quartz
@hoary hinge freeman you fool!
hoary hinge
oh dammit
civic pond
wuh oh
hoary hinge
edited so it's aactually a suggestion
fierce hedge
Also i put a slash next to it
Wasnt 100% sure if she was enraged or buffed
So i did both
Plus you'll most likely get a blue checkmark bc its like
The Same Thing
hoary hinge
well we'll see
distant gyro
it's a chain suggestion regardless if you do that
so you will be smited no matter what
fierce hedge
^
brazen bramble
i suggest deleting that suggestion completely, it looks too much like a reaction
dusty stirrup
^
Literally 4/5 of the "suggestion" is correcting markie and not an actual suggestion
and the actual suggestion part is really shallow
fierce hedge
Pretty much.
distant gyro
plus the actual suggestion part falls under chained suggestion
so it's remove-worthy in the first place
placid girder
@devout lava tbh just bug net merchant
devout lava
Tbh, i can do that
But still, pulse bow should be craftable or obtained some other way
lost agate
Nanites + cobalt + ectoplasm (?)
Bam
Or smth like chaotic bars if you dont want it to be available at the same tier
zealous ridge
if anything shroomite would make most sense
civic pond
but would it really
civic pond
so is cobalt and nanites
fierce hedge
Guys did you know that Flying Knife exists
lost agate
I mean, yes, but like farming shroomite
civic pond
yes
fierce hedge
lost agate
Shit uuuuuuh
lost agate
(bruh i was agreeing with you)
civic pond
shroomite in general just confuses me
An NPC just for shroomite thats relevant for like a small portion of the game vanilla wise
or just "add omegafailure to the server"
uh
zealous ridge
yeah I donât know why it has to be a replacement
And maybe why, to atleast give a reason to why hyperfailure isnât good enough?
distant gyro
omegafailure is superior
zealous ridge
okay I see the why now
distant gyro
also hyperfailure should stay tbh
civic pond
obviously
distant gyro
but just add omegafailure
gusty geode
4 levels of failure
bitter topaz
i asked about 
a while ago
danny just doesn't want too many 
variants
zealous ridge
Mm thatâs fair
swift bison
civic pond
replace complete failure tbh
bitter topaz
no
is danny's emote
civic pond
bitter topaz
(it's also better than 
)
gusty geode
It's like a pokemon evolutionary chain
Omega being the mega-evolution
half basalt
swift bison
gusty geode
Speaking of which why can't we get that deepfried 
from the art server
Is that even still there haven't looked in there in months
half basalt
also, wish there was an official emote for "hey, i dont think this suggestion is good"
people are using â for that right now
zealous ridge
common suggestion...
distant gyro
idk why people click on â
half basalt
yeah no kidding
gusty geode
I asked about a downvote once
Sors said it was pointless
half basalt
but other people use it for that
swift bison
ik but people click on it for downvote
half basalt
^
civic pond
Also speaking of emote suggestions
distant gyro
it's bad to downvote people
half basalt
:danksquint:
distant gyro
this server rather encourages an alternative to downvoting which is to discuss and criticize the suggestion directly so that suggestors are pointed towards the right direction
which I think is good
half basalt
fair
civic pond
also uh
zealous ridge
The problem with downvoting is that you canât control how many times people react to a suggestion so people can just
Yknow
Downvote
distant gyro
just like how the suggestor has a reason to make a suggestion, the person who downvote also has to has a reason
distant gyro
and yea it was used 21,308 times
civic pond
exactly
distant gyro
exactly
sand umbra
swift bison
it's underused because everyone is using omegafailure now
half basalt
civic pond
blargh why is it so large
distant gyro
zealous ridge
I always thought it looked more disappointed than suspicious
civic pond
thats what everyone said last time goddamnit
zealous ridge
signal prairie
civic pond
what a coincidence
gusty geode
What's the issue with suggestion chaining again
Maybe "in addition to" ones are bad
But personally I think that if a suggestion that addresses a certain problem comes up
It should be encouraged to suggest a different solution to that same problem
civic pond
Its better to get the person to edit their original suggestion
but it can be a problem if they dont
hollow shell
@hoary hinge Don't respond to people in suggestions like that
Ping them here
Not there
hoary hinge
Yeah I know I realised that after I posted
hollow shell
Edit it.
void kelp
uh, isnât that suggestion chaining effectively?
hollow shell
Kinda yeah
hoary hinge
I did I edited it to say the rage should be buffed didn't I?
Or do you mean edit out the ping
hollow shell
The ping is still there
yeah
However
The best case would be that you do not have a separate suggestion at all
but rather get Markie to edit their suggestion to include your clarifications or ideas
hoary hinge
I mean ideally I'd delete that and Marlie would change his
hollow shell
Because you're suggesting the same thing...
hoary hinge
Yeah I was gonna say that
half basalt
..that seems like a forced way to fix the issue
so we gotta ping markie just so they can edit in someone else's suggestion that they may even disagree with?
gusty geode
This is why I said suggesting alternatives to other suggestions should be legal
sand umbra
I mean I can't exactly e.g. have someone edit their suggestion to include my Burden Breaker sugg that was longer than any sugg in the same vein immediately prior to it now can I
hollow shell
I don't think they disagree with it
In fact I think they're suggesting the same thing
zealous ridge
itâs basically making a suggestion about the same thing if you âchainâ via suggesting a different solution to the same problem... and donât nessecarily think of it as worrying about the solutions think about it as bringing up a problem
half basalt
i said "they may"
hoary hinge
Have edited is that ok?
hoary hinge
I assume if Markie changes his an admin can delete mine anyway roght
zealous ridge
like... the real content of a suggestion is what itâs trying to solve, rather than the solution ...
sand umbra
personally I don't see why making suggs about the same idea within 2 pages of each other is a bad thing
zealous ridge
thatâs how I think of it anyways
civic pond
it happened a little too often before
sand umbra
if anything, it means the issue is pertinent to a variety of people and should be assessed
civic pond
bandwagons are a problem ofc
hollow shell
Because why have two when you can have one
If a lot of people care about it
it'll be reflected in the stars of the suggestion
gusty geode
They might have a different idea to solve the problem the suggestion brings up tho
One may suggest making an item craftable
While another may want it sold from X NPC
sand umbra
we don't ever get closure on half the suggs that reach dev server regardless of how many stars they get or even if they get sent in the first place
what's your point, exactly
hollow shell
If you have two solutions to the same problem, you could have the politics problem of people choosing which solution they prefer and don't star the one that they don't prefer
and then the problem doesn't get solved even though both suggestions are for solving the problem, because neither reach 90
gusty geode
K fair
hollow shell
Which is why it's best for you to not only keep them to one suggestion
but it's also discouraged to suggest exact fixes to the thing you want to be fixed
zealous ridge
Yeah
sand umbra
I probably should've make that Trinket of Chi sugg less
specific
tbf
hollow shell
(which in a grand sense is why Specific Item Suggestions were banned)
sand umbra
a
it's just
I have trouble seeing the point of banning sugg chains when, regardless of a sugg reaching 90 stars, many of them never get actually assessed until weeks or months after they're sent anyway
what I figure is that multiple people bringing up the same thing and sugging solutions could push the point further that yes, it is a relevant issue and should be assessed sooner rather than later
hollow shell
This is why bluechecks are a thing
sand umbra
okay but like
the same is the case with bluechecked suggestions much of the time, though
zealous ridge
I guess, from how I see it, it takes a lot of time to assess each suggestion sent to dev... and sometimes, specially considering priorities, that may mean it takes a while for anyone to be gotten back to
gusty geode
Iirc I once asked about hiring one or two people whose only job is to read through submitted suggestions and bring ones they approve to greater attention in the dev server (i.e. maybe DMing them to Fab)
Forget why that was called a bad idea
sand umbra
I mean a good chunk of the things I see sugged
could be done in 30 minutes at most
hollow shell
Because Fab would be getting a DM like every day and it'd be no better than the system we have currently
Dev server does currently have a system of approvals for suggestions
Any dev can say that they approve of any suggestion, and it'll get marked as such
The problem is that approved suggestions still aren't noticed much (currently) because Fab is busy with other shit
We have a big update coming up (and a big update on the heels of that) and then another big update planned for afterward
Not much room in there to look over all 1000 approved suggestions and try implementing the goodest ones
inner pasture
Alright so I have a suggestion I have had percolating in my head for a bit so I thought I'd post it in here to get some thoughts on it before posting it in the suggestions. It's only a problem in MP but the items used in making the Abyssal Diving Suit, specifically the Plate and Boots only have one or maybe two in the chests making it impossible to craft the 2-4 sets you'd want for MP to go into final layer of Abyssal Depths. My thought would be making them craftable with some amount of crafting materials from the AD, maybe even using the stuff from T3.
sand umbra
to give an example of what I mean
Mourningstar move to post-Polterghast was sugged 2 months ago and realistically would take about 15 minutes
fervent zealot
besides, 30 minutes adds up if there's 10 of em
civic pond
my suggestion for the duke lore and daybreak buff weren't ever reviewed
im just confused not impatient dont get me wrong
sand umbra
one of the few things Calamity does add to fishing 
hollow shell
Boots and Plating can be fished
inner pasture
ah i missed that ok
sand umbra
it's actually quite useful given these wouldn't be renewable otherwise
gusty geode
Making non-renewable items renewable is most of why fishing even exists
Honestly surprised this mod and all its making stuff renewable has done so little with it
hollow shell
Also yes Thomas it is a shame that not all suggestions are looked at and implemented, even if they're low effort (a factor which is also documented)
but, again
busy
sand umbra
hrm.
hollow shell
I hope we have another suggestion implementation splurge at some point like we've had once (maybe twice?) in the past
sand umbra
Honestly.
hollow shell
(At one point Fab promised he would look over each and every suggestion ever sent and mark whether or not he approves or disapproves of it,
but he gave up shortly after and never brought it up again,
which I can't necessarily blame him for)
gusty geode
What're the big updates all about again
Ik after this Rogue will actually become a full class
Is the one after that Draedon, or is there something else before then?
zealous ridge
Think itâs draedon
hollow shell
Indeed Draedon
half basalt
Yharim?
hollow shell
That's later
gusty geode
Tbh I wouldn't mind if the Draedon update was also that Acid Rain expansion I heard about once
Since Draedon was a big contributor in making the rain acid
sand umbra
imagine being able to react to messages iirc
half basalt
also, kind of unrelated, but uh, what is the origin of those failure emotes?
sand umbra
yes.
hollow shell
It's before my time, I have no idea
gusty geode
Idk
But I can tell you 
is actually Crash
civic pond
ask fish
distant gyro
It' supposed to be danny's recreation of the thorium's ragnarok laugther attack
half basalt
oh
zealous ridge
In any case, I have another suggestion that Iâd like to re-suggest and I would like a bit of feed back since it didnât reach 90 last time
half basalt
XD
gusty geode
Oh wow 
distant gyro
this is the result
Then some people at the art server remaster it
were born
is just flipped
zealous ridge
Lifesteal Indicator
A small indicator which would relay stats regarding the calamity-imposed Lifesteal mechanics.
indicates the following:
maximum lifesteal before activating cooldown
numerical counter that adds up total lifesteal within a short timeframe
time before lifesteal cooldown ends
Could be indicated only with numbers that appear above the player's head, or an orb that fills up when you leech life that begins to drain over time or when the cooldown is initiated.
why? I hear a lot of people asking in the help and advice channel why their lifesteal items arent working, unaware of calamity's lifesteal nerfs. An indicator would not only help clear up confusion, but also give players more statistics that they can use to their advantage (when to stop using lifesteal, how long to wait before lifesteal can be used again, ect)
hollow shell
Resugg?
zealous ridge
Yes
zealous ridge
I suggested this before it got 60
gusty geode
Anyone else remember those enemies I suggested that basically only existed to drop mech souls post-mech
Those got submitted twice
civic pond
opal barn
you suggest it rover and people will star it more
that's how it works, you have a colored name
zealous ridge
civic pond
anyone with a role gets more stars regardless afaik
sand umbra
my Burden Breaker sugg literally got double the star req but an actually good sugg got only 66
half basalt
o o g
civic pond
ironic the suggestion for adding a Ⲡemote was never reviewed i dont think
zealous ridge
Itâs a tragedy, but Iâm mostly thinking of how to rephrase it so it isnât as confusing... Iâm assuming that was the main problem
sand umbra
honestly
I'd do a good chunk of the stuff in #suggestions-voting myself if I were able to do more in a day
but alas, I have the attention span of a peanut
hollow shell
Link the lifesteal page, preferably the cooldown section, but put it in <>
so people can inform themselves of the issue if they don't know it already
zealous ridge
okay... what do the arrows on the end do? Hide it?
zealous ridge
mm
hollow shell
It's how I sent the fishing link earlier without a big CALAMITY showing up
<https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Lifesteal#Lifesteal_cooldown>
gusty geode
My suggestion to make Sunken Sea bubbles work with the Bubble Magnet did surprisingly well
hollow shell
Hello
half basalt
i see a... darker grey behind the copy of the embed example
hollow shell
Yep
half basalt
how do you do that?
hollow shell
yes
half basalt
good to know
hollow shell
anyway
half basalt
(realizes i just deleted the "anyway" in my message)
civic pond
also i forgot the answer to this
But what exactly is wrong with having people have to post it here first before posting it in suggestions
e
hollow shell
Too annoying to enforce
half basalt
^
civic pond
ah i see.
hollow shell
Imagine pinging everybody who posts in #suggestions-voting right away
until most of them catch on
half basalt
also, kinda minor thing shrug
hollow shell
but you still have to do it for the rest of eternity
because people won't always get the memo
gusty geode
I'd say in terms of what actually needs to be suggested
The enemy roster outside of modded biomes continues to be really barren
Which I imagine is due in part to the mod's mentality of "if it doesn't need to be there it shouldn't be there"
Not a lot of enemies that are only there to spice things up
opal barn
That's true especially for the post-ml stage
zealous ridge
Alright re suggested
civic pond
honestly suggestions confuse me
hollow shell
(also btw the lifesteal cooldown mechanic isn't Calamity)
civic pond
and the things that i see that actually implemented are usually already planned
:thinkies:
hollow shell
Calamity affects it, but it's vanilla
gusty geode
^
zealous ridge
oh yeah I realize that, should I specify?
hollow shell
just remove "calamity-imposed" in the header
zealous ridge
Mm okay
half basalt
since if i posted this in #suggestions-voting , it would be a chain suggestion, i'll post it here:
Or alternatively to the indicator, we could have an item similar to the ones used in the cell phone recipe to show that lifesteal shpeel.
hollow shell
An informational accessory, m
half basalt
yeah, that
hollow shell
That could work
zealous ridge
More inventory clutter is all I worry about, unless the cellphone recipie could be changed to include it
hollow shell
We can do that
zealous ridge
okay nice
half basalt
agh, what's the upgrade to the ankh shield?
hollow shell
Asgard's Valor
half basalt
thx
zealous ridge
good alternative, in that case
half basalt
odd, asgard's valor doesn't use the pocket mirror in its recipe
i know it's a minor debuff, but it would still be nice
hollow shell
You can suggest that I guess
Don't forget Hand Warmer too
... actually, Asgard's Valor already provides immunity to Chilled
but not Frozen
half basalt
tru
hollow shell
Indeed
half basalt
hand warmers come from presents though
hollow shell
Yeah, we'd have to add a recipe for them if we're to put it in the Valor recipe
half basalt
so you need to either cheat presents in, or change the date on your computer.
Wait, actually, i think steam has a internal clock for games to use, soooo fucc
hollow shell
Two different lines of thinking, lmao
half basalt
hey, at least i didn't post them separately
hollow shell
Nah I meant me and you
half basalt
oh oof
looks at presents page
huh, didn't know toolbox came from presents. Probably why the sprite looks so out of place.
civic pond
sand umbra
Snow Globe becomes craftable with Snow Biome mats and Essence of Eleum
half basalt
gusty geode
Yes please
Acknowledge it somehow
civic pond
why cant i get endothermic energy from them instead
sand umbra
Frost Legion enemies have a chance to drop the Hand Warmer
civic pond
come on
half basalt
huh, that would be good
tired haven
Frost Legion's purpose is to generate unhealthy amounts of snow
gusty geode
Make Santa not spontaneously combust after 24 hours
And have him sell Naughty Presents and Present loot
sand umbra
precisely
half basalt
@sand umbra was actually making a suggestion for adding hand warmer and pocket mirror to the asgard valor recipe, wanna add that to it
sand umbra
so why not also add to its purpose
half basalt
oh yeah, tried spawning Santa via Cheat Sheet, he just combusted
civic pond
half basalt
500%
civic pond
thats an even worse inventory filler than sky glaze
half basalt
you get 5 per
civic pond
good lord no
civic pond
not surprising
half basalt
are you allowed to make more than one suggestion in a row?
tired haven
Not recommended but possible
hollow shell
Once you get to three suggestions we stop you and tell you to repost it later
Two is
fine
half basalt
i love how you pause on the "fine"
tired haven
(people may ask you about why so many (two) suggestions in a row so)
Just keep it in notepad and repost after 2-3 other entries, 100% safe
hollow shell
Yes
half basalt
would they just be able to add hand warmer and pocket mirror to the ankh shield recipe then?
half basalt
~~now to come up with some weird combination of hand warmer and pocket mirror to follow the theme of it ~~
hollow shell
Reflective Gloves
half basalt
perfection lol
zealous ridge
Mirror gauntlets
hollow shell
nah too much
zealous ridge
half basalt
actually, having Hand Warmer drop from Frost Legion would be fine
which was @sand umbra suggestion
sand umbra
just
make the Snow Globe craftable
ech
half basalt
^
sand umbra
and have Hand Warmer be a drop from the frozen fucks
lord knows they don't drop anything useful to begin with
half basalt
and yet there ain't an event for infinite sand
signal prairie
desert sourge
half basalt
he drops sand?
signal prairie
ye
zealous ridge
very little but yes
zealous ridge
Like 15
half basalt
so about as useful as the antlion i was about to bring up
signal prairie
it's still infinite sand tho
Arma him a few thousand times and you'll have a stack in no time
hollow saffron
you make a new world
signal prairie
^
half basalt
fine
signal prairie
or use AlchNPC
hollow saffron
^
half basalt
that's another mod lol
half basalt
fine fine guess we dont need an event
only makes the Frost Legion even more useless
signal prairie
Crab, whats the most akward Death Providence arena you've had to fight her in?
tired haven
Can it even be much worse than WoF arena I kept using desperately in most speedruns (albeit rev)?
half basalt
@sand umbra how do you do that
tired haven
Antlions aren't an event, they are a lifestyle
signal prairie
I meant like in a casual playthrough
half basalt
i mean the quote thing tho
tired haven
Well the point stands because I didn't modify arena for true melee prov iirc
Though nvm, mage one was worse because I used nuclear fury and didn't care
signal prairie
Screenshot it?
signal prairie
I did one in the hallow and it was actually cancer
half basalt
so about as useful as the antlion i was about to bring up
@sand umbra
boi, who's gonna sit there for 5 hours to get less than a stack of sand
just for it to be eaten up when you use it for glass
ashen warren
What would you even need sand for
signal prairie
any sand is viable iirc
ashen warren
Alchnpclite exists but ok
half basalt
ping me lol
sand umbra
no
half basalt
that's another mod
sand umbra
tired haven
I like how the topic is "Sand is overpowered"
half basalt
tf do you even get all these emotes from
signal prairie
Nitro
half basalt
yeah, but does he just have his own private server where he makes the emotes or- oh wait
ashen warren
Iâd argue that cactus has more value than sand
queen delta
ashen warren
half basalt
meme suggestion: Endgame weapon that uses sand for its ammo
tired haven
Except you don't try to gather all those musket balls back, like you do with the sand
That tells a lot about how valuable sand is
half basalt
yeah, you can just buy musket balls
even HelpfulNPCS (another mod) which has NPCs that basically sell every vanilla material don't sell sand lol
sand umbra
that's how OP sand is
it has to be gathered back up because of how stronk it is
the devs realized its true potential and gave it that drawback to even begin balancing its awesome power
half basalt
Anyway
How does this look?
Add some combination of Hand Warmer and Pocket Mirror to the Ankh Charm's recipe
Why? It's kinda inconsistent that Ankh Charm basically gathers every debuff preventing accessory into one... except for the two mentioned above
"How would you get the Hand Warmer though? It's a Christmas only item." Well, in that case, have the Frost Legion 1. Drop the Hand Warmer, and 2. Have the summon be craftable in Hardmode. It makes the Frost Legion somewhat useful and allows the Hand Warmer to be obtained at any time. Hits two birds with one stone.
sand umbra
I like this idea.
queen delta
Extra grinding 
half basalt
no, i mean why 7 more items specifically?
tired haven
How about adding these accs to valor instead?
half basalt
why that though
tired haven
A bit late but won't majorly disturb vanilla recipe
half basalt
ankh charm is the one that combines all of the other debuff preventing items anyway
might as well add those
half basalt
all of the other
tired haven
Right
civic pond
there's no point
half basalt
..why not?
well, I suppose I'll post this in Suggestions
~~also, saw somewhere that someone starred their own suggestion, who does that ~~
tired haven
People do that
Not sure why but they do
civic pond
its just one extra star to reach 90 afaik
queen delta
I star my suggestions sometimes, but only if it wouldnt make a difference
Like if i predict itll get way over 90 stars anyways
But no one seems to know that 
civic pond
i self star if im at 89
signal prairie
half basalt
the most y comment i've seen yet
tired haven
^
dense vapor
masomode adds a recipe with the hand warmer
half basalt
that's not calamity tho
dense vapor
and it's always christmas and halloween I Believe
half basalt
nope, it isnt
dense vapor
It plugs in well with calamity
oh
sorry you seem to know more than I do rip
I probably shouldn't have been so gung ho
tired haven
Themed slimes do always spawn iirc
dense vapor
I reckon adding resistance to those debuffs is a pretty smart idea
tired haven
But it's not natural xmas/halloween iirc in maso
dense vapor
Yeah, reading the wiki now and it says that it's christmas and halloween until you open the first present or goodie bag
but after that the themed enemies are still spawning so idk
I assume its never halloween period because no natural pumpkin spawns
runasdate exists so no biggie
gusty geode
Presents and Goodie Bags become summoning items for their seasons anyway so
fluid stone
crabbar green slime nohit when
grizzled matrix
What a pleb gen
grizzled matrix
I know the suggestion is from yesterday but why would you fight a boss only for the lore item?
Also progression skips are bad if you're doing a normal run
foggy kindle
I mean most of the boss lores are useful, except for some that's straight up killing you...
grizzled matrix
Yeah but like
half basalt
also except for the twins one
sand umbra
hell, Calamity freely grants you the option to sequence break as much as you want
foggy kindle
Also fighting alt-meches aren't really skipping cuz Hallowed Bar, and Calamity allows you to skip progressions anyway
grizzled matrix
Yeah I know that
half basalt
titanium armor jesus fuck
grizzled matrix
Just that Gen's reason for skipping the twins feels... bland? Not really sure how to explain it
sand umbra
there isn't anything you could get from the Eyes of McFuckYou 2: Electric Boogaloo that you couldn't get from Desu, Sans, or Best Boss
lost agate
same with destroyer and skelly prime
sand umbra
welcome to "my boss nicknames make no sense: the movie"
lost agate
if you dont need hallowed bars then you dont need to kill the mechs
sand umbra
^
grizzled matrix
I always assume that people do normal runs
sand umbra
and even when you eventually have to for Yharharharon
you can just go back and nuke them with post-DoG gear anyway
I'm pretty sure it was actually quite common in Rev+ for a long while to skip the Mechs --- I'm referring specifically to back before they got reworked
back when Destroyer was still an asshole and spammed every kind of laser imaginable at you
sand umbra
if you did the old Mechs on-tier at all
you did the Twins
and that was considered the normal thing to do because Desu and Sans were just nightmares
shout-out to Prime Laser getting 300 IQ reads at the start of every fight for cheap hits
half basalt
Calamity:
skipbossbossbossbossbossbossbossbossboss
Wall Of Flesh
skipbossbossbossbossbossbossbossbossbossbossbossbossbossbossbossboss
Moon Lord
oh woops now all of a sudden you gotta kill a rapid fire of 10 bosses
ya have to
tired haven
Good luck skipping anything that isn't like crabbo or smth optional 100
That comes from a speedrunner
Mind you
sand umbra
you can skip around half of the bosses that exist with no real consequence
have fun trying to beat whatever boss you've defined as next though
half basalt
oh cool
gets titanium armor
right, what was that about ml being hard with this gear?
sand umbra
personally I would always go straight for Golem post-WoF or post-Cryo since he was still a meme