i like crimson better because well im a lore dude and crimson acually has more than 3 sentances of lore
#suggestions-discussion
jovial spire
queen delta
Is ranger still 
?
jovial spire
plus its my first evil i got
sand umbra
everything we know period is gonna go out the window next update
queen delta
Is rev+ golem as hard as maso golem tho?
lost agate
Idk how maso golem is
zenith hazel
virtually indestructible fists iirc
sand umbra
Throw Golem being easy out the window?
lost agate
But i suppose its obscenely hard so maybe not
queen delta
Laser spam, healing, pillars of flame, indestructible fists
sand umbra
5head
queen delta
hollow shell
Big wide arcs, no deviation in motion
They're traps, and not hard to avoid
queen delta
The problem is, they're stubborn when it comes to despawning
While im fighting polter, they're on one side of the arena, im on the other
they're still there the entire fight
queen delta
Done
hollow shell
Thanks
frank stratus
i've never actually had a spiky bol disturb me during a boss fight ngl
sand umbra
...I'm like 90% sure Rev. and Death are toggleable for a reason--
radiant meadow
rev used to be non-togglable
death was always togglable as it's more of an extra difficulty mode for fun rather than an extra mode like rev.
also, incorporating modes into the world gen screen is probably way more work than for what's needed
night cradle
yea, it'd be pretty hard to code in the first place
hollow saffron
redcode memes
however it WOULD be cool
at the very least it should be done after 1.4 to avoid master mode
glacial lagoon
Master mode is just bootleg masomode
tired haven
Very bootleg, because masomode is actually creative
Mastermode rn is literally 3x stats of normal kthxbye
civic rampart
ee no extra content
tough ruin
Isn't it impossible to make rev+ as an world gen or char gen option?
frail mantle
it's probably possible, but redcode
night cradle
it is possible, but the terraria's code would make it very annoying
quick ice
yeah, and people like being able to toggle it
you can always trash the item for revengeance once you have it and not craft it ever again, and the problems solved
supple lodge
O
tired haven
Multiplayer is a clown fiesta anyway, with or without difficulty toggles
night cradle
^
quick ice
Fungcrab: New enemy for the Mushroom biome, it walks around very slowly and rarely jumps at the player, along with summoning mushroom spores similar to that of Crabulon.
Drops: I would recommend it drop glowing mushrooms and mushroom grass seeds, so that it can help players make an artificial mushroom biome to fight Crabulon if necessary.
Lore: The Crabulon lore mentioned lots of crabs fled to the caves and mushroom biomes after Calamitas purge of the ocean, so these guys can just be smaller crabs that were infested by the mushroom biome
^
thoughts on this suggestion?
thin shale
It’s alright. Also to sum things up, I feel like they should be buffed after Plantera’s defeated, just like the ‘Buff Crabulon’ suggestions.
quick ice
oh, is Crabulon buffed post-plantera now?
I think it'd be more fitting for him to be buffed post-giant clam* in Hardmode
distant gyro
no
but crabulon in hm that drops odd mushroom may be neat 
that was suggested before
quick ice
that would be cool if it was changed to fit his pallette
queen delta
No need for all those bolded words
quick ice
sorry, just used to bolding a lot for important parts of the suggestion
distant gyro
you can italicize instead
proven tide
@gilded crest why
gilded crest
it is annoying to have atleast 40 on the healing timer and everything that exists attack you
or maybe they could make it that rev/rev+ doesn't drop the hearts so it is kind of balanced
zenith hazel
so... leave it untouched on rev, the difficulty calamity’s balanced around
gilded crest
idk i'm just getting angry at this bossfight 
thin shale
I was about to say that this is not a good idea for Rev+ but Normal and Expert wise...it is a great suggestion.
Speaking of which, what level of difficulty are you playing? @gilded crest
gilded crest
expert
thin shale
I see
queen delta
Well dont be like me last night and let all the salt out in a bad way
thin shale
That explains a lot
proven tide
but why @quick ice
quick ice
cause they're boring
it's not a necessary/important suggestion, just all the slime enemies are boring enemies and super weak for their point in the game
distant gyro
has been suggested before
ruby cobalt
already sent, you can stop reposting it
quick ice
k
distant gyro
case in point @quick ice https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/623298780799827985
opal barn
Read the legend in the pins here
quick ice
thx, didn't realize that was a thing
worthy fiber
Fishron mount kinda exists already
elfin maple
you mean the mount would prevent damage from the abyss?
quick ice
It'd make sense as a mount that makes abyss enemies not target you, but you can't use weapons/open chests inside of it
elfin maple
yeah
quick ice
hey, we've got 3 suggestions in #suggestions-voting at 90 Stars rn
shouldn't those get sent to the dev chat?
bitter topaz
they'll get sent soon, don't worry
quick ice
k
hollow shell
That is an interestingly structured suggestion that I was tempted to call invalid
toxic pagoda
I wouldn't have minded if you did call it invalid
hollow shell
How to fix:
Put the last line as the first line
toxic pagoda
👍
worthy fiber
poetic, but yeah Amalgam's kinda funny with its effects
toxic pagoda
there we go
hollow shell
Thanks
marble mirage
i do wish it was better though
toxic pagoda
I wanted to creatively and logically express why the amalgam just isn't useful for what it does
hollow shell
@gilded crest I'm late but could you reword your suggestion a bit?
I actually can't really tell what you're suggesting
toxic pagoda
imagine actually making a huge box and pouring water inside of it
marble mirage
i think they mean that the profaned guardians that are spawned by providence should drop hearts
gilded crest
yes
ancient dragon
Yeah.
hollow shell
It's just the grammar of the suggestion makin it confusing
toxic pagoda
provi is most difficult boss for me
gilded crest
yes my engrish bad
hollow shell
"Make it so the Guardians summoned by Providence drop hearts when you kill them.
Because: [insert reason here]"
would be a bit better
gilded crest
but as we discussed earlier they would not drop hearts with rev+
hollow shell
Yeah you can include that too
gilded crest
meaning that only normal and expert gets the change
hollow shell
"In Normal and Expert Mode, make it so..."
gilded crest
alright edited the question
hollow shell
Better wording. 👍
I'd like if you also included a reason along with it, though
gilded crest
the reason is because i'm salty
hollow shell
(come up with a better reason) :P
frail mantle
ok so uhhh
new enemy idea
a Hardmode miniboss that rarely spawns in the Surface Crimson/Corruption (has a variant for both biomes). is normally passive, but at night, upon spotting the player, if it's not killed quickly enough (would have a decent chunk of health so it takes a few seconds to kill) it'll make a siren-like sound and inflict a debuff that increases spawn rates by a decent amount, lasting until the enemy is killed. would drop a bunch of Ichor/Cursed Flames and possibly a toggleable item that would decrease spawn rates around the player. would help make the Evil Biomes more varied and interesting
hollow shell
... ech
Specificity is turning me off of it
I feel like the reasoning has to be more connected with the function you laid out than just justification for you making something complicated
quick ice
just saying, it'd be nice to see this mod expand on Corruption/Crimson a bit in Hardmode
whether it be enemies, weapons, gear sets or even a miniboss, Corruption and Crimson should definitely get an expansion
elfin maple
i like that idea
would love seeing more interesting content when it comes to the evil biomes
what would it look like/be called?
maybe a banshee?
hello?
hollow shell
Interesting evil biome content would be welcome, yes
Could come in the form of a more general suggestion though
or if you do have a specific idea, make sure it's specific for a reason
gilded crest
make it that it has 1% to spawn with zerg on
also what would be the point of having decreased spawn rates
toxic pagoda
Im not saying this should be added due to the amount of work needed but since the hallow is technically a counterpart to the corruption (holy/unholy), what if the crimson had a counterpart that was a substitute for the hallow?
the crimson is very fleshy and organic, so a counterpart to that would be a very unnatural, possibly electronic - based biome
toxic pagoda
it's too hypothetical due to the amount of content the biome would have (considering it's a counterpart to the hallow)
gilded crest
and maybe a floating island would spawn like the corruption/crimson cloud
toxic pagoda
I just don't feel like the hallow is a counterpart to the crimson you know?
hollow shell
That's been suggested a long time ago
The Cyber biome
Not in Calamity, on the Terraria forums
shortly after the Crimson was first added to the game iirc
queen sail
Bruh rover
sand umbra
mmmmm
queen sail
You actually remember the Cyber biome sugg
sand umbra
i don't really like this idea, tbf
hollow shell
Yes I do
hollow shell
I used to love looking at Terraria biome suggestions
queen sail
Other bigass biome suggestions
hollow shell
Like The River counterpart to The Underworld
civic pond
used to
queen sail
I forgot his name but somebody made at least like
sand umbra
like, the Hallow in my eyes just needs to be rebranded to not be disgustingly rainbow everywhere
hollow shell
Yeah one guy did a ton of em
queen sail
3 possible alts for world infections
sand umbra
and actually have some biome-exclusive content that makes it worthwhile
queen sail
@sand umbra hallow just needs something tbh
hollow shell
It'd be great if Hallow had something.
queen sail
Not just be relevant for early hm like corrupt/crimson
hollow shell
Something would benefit the Hallow.
sand umbra
~~/rubs hands together in a debatably excited manner
soon~~
queen sail
Then again this is relogic’s fault, isn’t it 
civic pond
huehhue
sand umbra
It's Re-Logic's fault for adding a bunch of shit that gets focused once and never touched up or finished to any extent ever again.
civic pond
cough cough subclasses and throwing cough
sand umbra
subclasses mean nothing right now and I hate that fact more than I should
and throwing's treatment in vanilla is disgusting
queen sail
They made the hallow and corruption extremely important in hm before proceeding to bloat the jungle the very next update
sand umbra
WHY IS THE JUNGLE SO FUCKING FAT
civic pond
bees and turtles iirc
queen sail
throwing is just ranger but you throw shit 
sand umbra
oh and by the way Golem is just the treasure bag
the Temple is the real boss fight
lel
queen sail
Golem is prehm difficulty tbh
stuck vortex
dont forget it also has an exclusive ore just before plantera
queen sail
The only reason why he’s in hm is bc of stats
civic pond
gay
sand umbra
why the hell does Chlorophyte exist
stuck vortex
and why does it spread?
hollow shell
Its cool
civic pond
m ok
sand umbra
mmmmmmmmm
civic pond
I always found chloro extremely strange
like
vanilla its
ore armors
hallowed?
chloro
beetle
is that right?
hollow shell
I guess, if you ignore intermittent shit like Forbidden
sand umbra
fun fact: hallowed armor is actually better for ranger than chloro
echo pond
The AutoHammer is only sold post plant
sand umbra
oh yeah by the way there's also a major set for every not summoner class by the time you can get Chlorophyte or directly after Plantera
queen sail
Literally anyone that’s modded terraria for a while and has any semblance of balance at the minimum will realize that relogic has no idea what they’re doing
sand umbra
lel
queen sail
The game loses most of its sandbox aspect once hm hits
civic pond
ah yes
toxic aurora
why vanilla doesn give summoner head pieces
civic pond
lunar armors
queen sail
@toxic aurora bc ranger easy class
foggy kindle
Spooky armor iirc
queen sail
Why doesn’t polter just drop phantoplasm himself
hollow shell
I feel like if Polterclone is given more of a purpose, it'd be something based around the fight
civic pond
poltermitosis
hollow shell
hollow shell
That's referring base boss Polterghast
so yours is still suggestin somethin different
toxic aurora
o
queen sail
I mean it is but polter droppin phantoplasm in general would be nice
toxic aurora
what about both 8)
queen sail
The dude’s literally made of it (and echtoplasm and ruinous souls but still)
toxic aurora
but i just dont see something wrong with one droping phantoplasm
hollow shell
I've got my own idea but I dunno if it'd be imposing too much considering it's my own idea
(but I'll say it anyway:
Make killing Polterclone deal some noticeable amount of damage to Polterghast. People complain about that section of the fight dragging on and wanting clone to respawn less often, and I feel like this'd be a good change for giving the clone more of a purpose and also making that phase go faster)
queen sail
Polterclone is just Polterghast’s Stand 
hollow shell
Polterghast and his stand: 「ᴘᴏʟᴛᴇʀɢʜᴀsᴛ」
toxic aurora
yeah cool change i say
civic pond
But anyways when i fought polterghast fighting clone made the fight boring as fuck
spawns too often and survives too long
queen sail
No
hollow shell
Colony-type Stand 😎
toxic aurora
what about making something similar with scal when the brothers spawn she stays still and can get any dmg, so when polter clone is dead polter can now get hurt and the fight can keep going on
queen sail
Only the original can summon clones
civic pond
:phantomdebris:
stuck vortex
@queen sail that was a joke lol
zealous ridge
it feels like you’re not doing anything significant with killing the clone. It’s an annoying delay and makes it feels like you’re being forced to kill the boss over and over, weakening the overall flow of the fight. I would personally like it if the clone was reworked to be more of an attack than a boss minion. (By that I mean polterghast would use clones of himself to summon attacks as an example)
zealous ridge
There are a lot of disconnected ideas in the polterghast fight as well... maybe unifying them under a single idea would make the fight feel more cohesive in general.
That’s just my take, anyways
stuck vortex
polterghast is just at weird spot in progression in general
like the first thing you want to do after killing sentinels is to fight DoG
but you have to kill polter instead
queen sail
Just do the opposite tbh
night cradle
You don't
Polter is optional, it just gives good stuff for DoG
zealous ridge
in all fairness, you don’t have to kill polterghast to beat dog
toxic aurora
is there any suggestions to change how clone should work?
zealous ridge
There are some general polterghast change suggestions
Which include changes for the clone
but yeah, I see sors suggestion as a starting point for a more interesting rework that I feel the boss needs
hollow shell
Wait, shit
That'd be chaining suggestions
I'd wait a day or two, then
(I think I'll probably just post it myself)
signal prairie
Lol, I'd star that suggestion tbh
The polter fight just drags for too long because of that clone. Having it deal damage to polter itself Everytime you kill the clone is a great idea
zealous ridge
all it really does is make the clone show up less per a full fight
Which I guess makes the fight technically shorter
But the pacing is still
3rd phase
Summon clone, directly damaging boss isn’t very effective
Kill clone, boss is vulnerable
Summon clone, etc
Which is what I actually have issue with, because it’s a major hindrance to the overall pacing of the fight
devout seal
Actually, why doesn't polter just drop more phantoplasm
if it's phantoplasm commanding ectoplasm, it should drop at-least more then 5.
nocturne crow
x the number of times the clone is summoned. That feels more rewarding to me.
I do feel that the clone itself feels slower paced when it spawns, and if it dropped anything, I feel it should be phantoplasm as well. It's just an annoyance at best currently.
queen sail
Gale does better than drat iirc
And yeah uhhhh
The max fire rate dps isn’t usually worth it
tight chasm
I agree with this suggestion
sand umbra
Heavenly eLag is better than Drakadakadakaliornus for most 
scenarios and given that the latter is Revengeance-exclusive, takes both eLag and B-Flux in its recipe, and is literally the nohit bow, it's fucking stupid that that's the case.
queen sail
Gale is auto spam with ten arrows whereas drat only has 5 and a manual right click
I tend to just use apoth ex and craft drat ex than actually use drat
hollow shell
I'd like if Drat's max power was like a huge noticable buff compared to left click charge or right click
sand umbra
^
Drat's max power is the only thing that comes close to eLag
and it's piss easy to lose by comparison
hollow shell
so its still risky but doesnt only have a slightly higher than average boost at max
sand umbra
It's as Terry said: nobody uses this thing, for casual playthroughs or otherwise.
hollow shell
It should be fucking amazing at max
not technically better
queen sail
It’s meant to be high iq high reward but the reward is yharon’s vore mouth vomiting 3 fireballs per 5 seconds
queen delta
Even for nohits i wouldnt ever use it cuz i’d have to go almost rodless
sand umbra
THAT'S THE OTHER THING
IT ALSO FORCES RODLESS TO KEEP ITS FULL STRENGTH
so why the FUCK is it a sidegrade at best and a downgrade at any other point
swift bison
because it was balanced improperly
queen sail
I use vivid clarity more than drat tbh
sand umbra
a
ashen warren
So like what, 400-600K dps at max?
If scal still has around 10mil health then that's a pretty fast kill all things considered.
ashen warren
nono
queen delta
Thats your dps for scal
ashen warren
That amount against scal
sand umbra
how much does eLag get again
queen delta
Lemme get that gif
ashen warren
As in, against a dummy like 1.8 mil dps.
queen sail
Yat literally posted a gif where he memed scal’s health bar with adren’d gale
sand umbra
imagine using a dummy as a DPS test
hueh
how about you test against SCal and try again
ashen warren
It was a proposed buff
queen sail
And yes i did fuckin use it before
queen delta
https://gyazo.com/4206faab63d8559e9e62ef6d55a91d28 it doesnt accurately show how powerful it is but i like the gif regardless
hollow shell
is that Gale or the Bloodflare spirits?
Ya got too many variables for this experiment
queen delta
Hence why i specified that its not accurate
tired haven
That can't be spirits because they were exhausted in like 0.5 secs
queen delta
also bloodflare spirits do noticeable damage?
sand umbra
kinda wish you could, would make DPS-testing with Auric a lot more reliable
queen delta
It is
hollow shell
Yes
queen sail
Anyways give drat buff
radiant meadow
even if it forces rodless, that's what normality relocator is for, right?
sand umbra
okay
but allow me to make a counterpoint
- who uses this thing outside of nohits in the first place and
b) who the hell uses NR for a nohit
and also iii) why is NR a good reason to ignore the fact that it still forces rodless
NR can be treated as more of a sidegrade to RoD rather than direct upgrade
since it kills your health way faster if you get spammy
queen delta
NR is the uber broken variant of RoD that shouldn't exist but it does
ashen warren
You can't use it for nohits
ashen warren
like it's actually banned iirc
sand umbra
NR is banned for nohits
same with any RoD hotkey
i don't see a hell of a lot of people using NR, either, tbf
queen sail
Doesn’t fargo add one
jovial spire
Give Shurikens some sort of advantage over Throwing Knives
Why this should be added: Both of these items are about the same difficulty to obtain and have the same crafting recipe... yet throwing knives are definitively better. Throwing Knives had more damage, more knockback, slightly more range, and have an upgrade (an only half decent one to be fair though). This feels a bit odd since both take the same amount of effort to get, so there should be some sort of reason for Shurikens to exist. Perhaps make the crafting take copper/tin bars instead of iron/lead, or give them higher velocity, or a lower use time, or longer range, anything to not make them obsolete.
ashen warren
that's neat but who uses those anyway?
They're throwing.
queen sail
Aren’t we supposed to be talking about drat
small talon
@lucid jacinth you can craft an unlimited version by combining the non unlimited with 50 essence
radiant meadow
people are allowed to bring up their own suggestions
jovial spire
Rogue is internally throwing now iirc
lucid jacinth
Oh pfft I'm dumb
radiant meadow
rogue armor and stuff doesn't boost throwing though
fleet night
theres already a crafting recipie to make the summon non-consumable. . .
ashen warren
Yeah it's really odd.
jovial spire
still better than using wulfrum knives tbh
ashen warren
Throwing boosts rogue iirc but not the other way around.
However ninja armour and fossil both suck compared to chad obsidian armour.
radiant meadow
it would be neither but tmod forcing it to be that way is amazing
ashen warren
queen sail
Same reason why ranger accessories boost fishing rod damage but fishing rod accessories don’t boost range damage
sand umbra
rogue~chan is greedy? ugh, how inconsiderate to claim
she needs those boosts to stand a chance against the other bigger better classes
smh
jovial spire
anyways unless theres any complaints imma put it in #suggestions-voting
ashen warren
Shurikens autofire, knives don't?
there ya go, bolonce
hollow saffron
who uses throwing lmao
jovial spire
Better than wulfrum knives
hollow shell
I think it'd be better to make the Shuriken recipe craft more than the Knife recipe
instead of 50 and 50 it could be like 60 and 40
hollow shell
We add the recipes.
Also they won't get removed, they'll be converted to Ranged class
ashen warren
I'd be more inclined to say buff wulfrum knives and make them spawn in place of shuriken and normal knives sometimes.
jovial spire
So yeah, they will still be obsolete
ashen warren
So added to pots and chests basically.
tired haven
Shurikens pierce more targets and are thrown further 
jovial spire
do you mean currently
tired haven
Yes
jovial spire
i swear to god i just tested and their range was shorter than knives oh ok then
tired haven
Maybe
The difference is negligible anyways, both don't reach anything further than nose
radiant meadow
knives pierce 2 and shurikens pierce 4 iirc
jovial spire
well then nvm im just a dumb fuck my bad
ashen warren
And both still do barely anything because throwing is a meme.
hell rogue has equivalents
urchin stinger and wulf knives
jovial spire
Too bad both of them suck too
ashen warren
That's what I mean.
tired haven
Except you don't get first until like 2 days into a game and second is worse than regular knives
Though that's arguable since wulfrum has autofire iirc
jovial spire
Wulf knives are a meme and urchin stingers are the biggest pain in the ass to get
ashen warren
Wulfrum throw faster and autofire iirc.
tired haven
Anything but Crystalline is a joke, get it straight
sand umbra
Shout-out to literally dealing 1 damage to King Fucking Slime.
radiant meadow
urchin stingers get a nice buff next patch 
queen delta
urchin stingers inflict crush depth now?
radiant meadow
no
ashen warren
If it's worth the 8 years to get there, stupid amount of farming, etc.
then sure they might be used
hollow shell
@carmine stream Suggestion Don'ts.
carmine stream
Oh ok
hollow shell
Exo gun is very frequently suggested
queen sail
Just download apoth or smth
carmine stream
Deleted the suggestion.
queen sail
Use megaskeet
hollow shell
welcome to apoth
queen sail
This mod is made by the same person who coded Retinazer to have a phantasmal deathray
carmine stream
<- this is dead now
fluid stone
its so bad
grizzled matrix
eat worms for a 100x base damage boost
small talon
is it not a shadowspec weapon?
fluid stone
it is
small talon
well you said exo tier
queen sail
It is but a weapon from a previous tier does better
fluid stone
exo tier materials
queen sail
Mainly SSV has homing memes
zenith hazel
isn’t apoth getting buffed anyway
zenith hazel
also how is a post-scal weapon worse than a pre-DoG weapon
fluid stone
apoth against aureus only does like 70k
grizzled matrix
Aureus
grizzled matrix
A U R E U S
fluid stone
set hp to 50x then test
zenith hazel
were you using the worst modifier on apoth with no armor and no accessories and maximum mana sickness?
fluid stone
no
ashen warren
gensis have you ever used apotheosis and friends
ashen warren
what apoth needs isnt fatter numbers so much as actual control
like, the jaws fly to your cursor position
wherever your cursor is
zenith hazel
DoG head that moves with your cursor
ashen warren
now you can actually lead it without it sliding around like ice
swift bison
better yet, a full energy DoG that moves towards your cursor
queen sail
Also Apotheosis upgrade has SSV memes too
unique vector
it needs more utility than anything
unique vector
it has the damage but its so situational its not worth maining
ashen warren
honestly? i could do an ultra flamelash-like apoth
unique vector
uh, yermes christal exists
ashen warren
it shoots a full length doggo that chases your cursor around
swift bison
maybe make the apoth EX re supreme neo etc do that ^ while also shooting Coquagulantian Armourainiums
zenith hazel
yermes is still the meta after SD for BR tbh
unique vector
literally nothing can beat YC purely because of how the weapon works
grizzled matrix
yermes ah yes my favorite tyrant king
unique vector
anyway, back on topic
lucid jacinth
I kind of feel like just making it move forward and then stopping when it hits something is also an option (although that might be a bit OP)
unique vector
i do not think apoth needs a straight up buff at all
zenith hazel
still, it already is getting a buff from changelogs
unique vector
in fact thats why scal has resistance against the weapon in the first place, unless that was removed
ashen warren
what apoth needs is utility
swift bison
^
radiant meadow
apoth is getting a nice buff next update, isn't it?
zenith hazel
damage buff
ashen warren
like making it a full length worm that chases your cursor
fluid stone
something should be added between triactis and the thing before it
radiant meadow
not just a damage buff
grizzled matrix
Triactis is bad
fluid stone
its post ml to endgame
queen sail
I don’t really think a damage buff saves it
radiant meadow
probably shouldn't detail more than that
zenith hazel
galaxy smasher is post-DoG, triactis is post-scal
queen sail
Unless it’s significant
zenith hazel
not that much of a gap tbf
swift bison
terry didn't you make apoth?
ashen warren
i did
queen sail
Yeah but i think the others handle the balancing part
ashen warren
and like twelve variants of it
radiant meadow
Shucks is the one who tested apoth I think
swift bison
the other varients are memes
fluid stone
legendary lore when
sand umbra
destroyer gun memes
fluid stone
literally “legendary weapons” and they get no lore
ashen warren
imagine that but doggo and it attacks your cursor
swift bison
i haven't seen destroyer gun yet
im waiting for the mutant boss to be released to do a souls playthrough
he looks hella fun
grizzled matrix
Astreal defeat is yharim mother weapon thing @fluid stone
sleek wadi
Astrael Defeat is only significant because of that tooltip
lost agate
Apoth is already buffed you know
fluid stone
literally bruh
lost agate
zenith hazel
because that’d make crystal rev+
fluid stone
crystal should be rev+
ashen warren
I still do kinda want that full length apoth tho
ashen warren
radiant meadow
the primary reason yharim's crystal isn't a legendary weapon is because it doesn't say Legendary drop in the tooltip
ashen warren
you said it first
radiant meadow
but it also has several things to set it apart
fluid stone
we need endgame turrets
hollow shell
Already uh
suggested
queen delta
I might suggest giving post-ML bosses defense but reduced DR so that armor pen accessories can be useful
zenith hazel
more utility for RTN I guess
lost agate
Isnt RTN like very strong already?
radiant meadow
yharon already has 100+ defense
grizzled matrix
The dog arrows gen
radiant meadow
prov has like 75 defense or something?
civic pond
vanquisher
fluid stone
only dog
queen delta
Yes but does armor pen do anything to post ML bosses?
fluid stone
should be yharon tier arrows and scal tier
queen delta
Oh, in that case, never mind then
hollow saffron
auric arrows
zenith hazel
it does for yharon I guess
hollow saffron
also for me apoth did more dmg than the vortex
fluid stone
infernal lighthrals and brimlight piercers
grizzled matrix
What
radiant meadow
scal and doggo don't have defense
polter gets less defense in later phases
fluid stone
polter
radiant meadow
necroplasm doesn't have defense I think
fluid stone
probably the worst boss in the mod
zenith hazel
big ass DR though
radiant meadow
of course
hearty yew
here's the rundown
fluid stone
should i remove suggestion
hearty yew
- damage increased from 333 to 366
yeah go ahead
- fires literally twice as fast
- SCal no longer resists it (old unnecessary resistance)
so it's now pretty decent, albeit still gimmicky
fluid stone
: o
radiant meadow
Both Shucks and I both already said it was buffed >.<
queen delta
lost agate
Smh
arctic notch
Apoth cool.
hearty yew
@lost agate @radiant meadow yes but i'm orange
you two are both developers, indeed, but you appear as mods
queen delta
lost agate
not like clicking my pfp is that hard but ok 
thin shale
I agree with how Drat should be getting a big buff (It’s less significant than Heavenly Gale)
Since I would rather use Voltaic Climax than Drat when it comes to fighting SCal
mortal blaze
Me too
Heavenly gale is arguably better even though its a crafting component
Admittedly it’s in a bit of an awkward spot because Drat can be crafted immediately after the Gale
Provided you have the materials
placid girder
Yeah its weird to me how drat isn't like a tier up
marble mirage
is the dude the drat was made for a dev?
because that would explain why it's in the tier it's in
marsh gust
drat is syg's weapon, his reward for nohitting iirc
quiet abyss
To explain:
Back when the nohit roles were first introduced, it was planned that the first five people to get either Untouchable or Dead Inside role would get a reward in the form of an item.
Sygilin was the 5th person to get UT, so he got it.
Although so far, he's been the only one to have gotten any reward from nohitting at all.
The rest either hadn't tried reaching out to ask for their items yet, had done so a long time ago and so their items were forgotten, or simply didn't want any item at all.
(I'm also unsure if that's still a thing, and that if it is I'm not sure whether the reward items will still be getting worked on considering our current workload)
hollow shell
Do Levi and Cosmic Plushie not count?
I guess Levi isn't a direct reward according to what we have documented
tired haven
Levi is more of a "nohit successor" reward than for a role (iirc) , and Cosmic Plushie is for Hardcore DoG spear only run
void kelp
so can companion cube so
tired haven
Companion cube cannot stab you to death that easily
hollow shell
The spear race reward was Apotheosis, Crab
ivory charm
tired haven
Was it? Pretty sure the trivia behind the plush was the DoG race
Apotheosis seems like a nohit reward
ivory charm
im gonna check
hollow shell
ivory charm
It was programmed by and implemented for Terry N. Muse, one of the main lore writers for the mod, as a reward for defeating all the bosses in Revengeance Mode without getting hit.
oh
im late
so speedrun was apotheosis
tired haven
Well, it certainly doesn't make sense to me given the swapped order, but I guess I just messed up, sorry
ivory charm
i honestly didnt even know about this stuff until i saw this conversation
hollow shell
@hollow saffron Those two enrage outside their biomes?
I've always fought CV outside of the Dungeon.
hollow saffron
according to the wiki yes
hollow shell
Unless it was a recent change
hollow shell
Wiki says it only gains a speed increase, so maybe I have been fighting it enraged this whole time, it's just not a significant enrage at all.
hollow saffron
oof moment
lost agate
Pretty sure he goes faster and sucks more
hollow shell
Ah, I haven't fought him after they added the succ
hollow saffron
same
lost agate
Yeah enrage wasnt a thing before that
hollow shell
Makes sense
lost agate
Or if it was it was very minor ye
tawdry magnet
wait someone did a hc spear only?
clear basin
Imagine not wanting calamity drills chainsaws and jackhammers
ashen warren
I want to suggest a pre-boss flamethrower but don't know what to make the recipe
zenith hazel
adding a recipe is a no-go because specific item suggestion
ashen warren
fair
ashen warren
Find a slime statue, find a statue trap or something, keep setting the plate off, profit
elfin swan
Don't statues not drop shit
ashen warren
Some of them have a 1/20 multiplier.
Slimes don't.
sand umbra
I mean there's also a hefty amount of slimes you kill pre-boss so like
tired haven
Slime statue definitely does drop everything
sand umbra
generally you shouldn't have too much of an issue with getting gel.
Better to just meme on King Slime for mass ammo though lmao--
ashen warren
lul
sand umbra
tough ruin
Mutant boss went enrage
lost agate
Im not really fond of suggestions just for "make x subclass run possible" but oh well
ashen warren
🤷
void kelp
I would use a reasoning more like,, “to increase diversity in ranger options that aren’t just bows and guns”
sand umbra
there's also the inevitable question of "why add this thing when these other things at the same tier do all the jobs this thing could do and do it better"
ashen warren
Why make all of these shortswords?
sand umbra
that's not saying I'm against a pre-boss flamethrower, btw --- I've suggested one myself in the past
but there are definitely people that will present this question:
What practical advantage does a flamethrower provide over, let's say, any bow with Jester's Arrows?
What makes it stand out, what makes it a more useful option?
zenith hazel
honestly, the whole subclasses thing feels niche
sand umbra
niche is my bread and butter
ashen warren
Faster RoF, and status effects.
zenith hazel
you’d have to consider if it’s worth expanding a small niche
ashen warren
That, and it's hard to get Fallen Stars earlygame
ashen warren
gets murdered by harpies
sand umbra
bonus points if you use minecart momentum to speed up.
Personally, I argue it's worth expanding a niche subclass (flamethrowers, launchers, magic guns, every melee subclass aside from swords 
, etc.) if the following two things are true:
- it adds a sense of diversity for those subclasses, or more specifically, points in the game that may need it or simply feel better with it
- the result is fun to play with and/or not just adding more weapons, perhaps adding a new mechanic to set apart the subclass from just another weapon type
My thoughts on subclasses are very different from most people's, though, so take what I say on this with a grain of salt.
ashen warren
Iirc the earliest flamethrower we currently have is Rarity 4
zenith hazel
I guess that’s one viewpoint but there’s also the dev viewpoint you have to consider, I suppose
sand umbra
^
The truth of it is, many people on the dev team will likely see it as arbitrary or not really high priority, or just flat-out unnecessary.
And just many people in general.
brazen bramble
Flamethrowers could be the close range sub-class that also inflict on fire debuff or similar debuffs
sand umbra
It's why I presented the question of what a flamethrower can do that a bow or gun can't.
zenith hazel
yeah so that’s 2 sides of the argument
brazen bramble
Flamethrower always pierces and inflicts flame related debuffs?
zenith hazel
fans would love a niche expansion but devs would consider it unnecessary, hence it’s hard to come to a consensus
lost agate
Btw jester arrows are found in chests too
sand umbra
Some people, myself included, will see niche expansion as a way to diversify the way you play and perhaps add some neat replayability in some cases, but from a dev standpoint it's not strictly necessary or even really on priorities given all the other things on the devs' plate already.
lost agate
You dont even need to farm stars
zenith hazel
if both sides can agree on a definite solution then maybe this whole ordeal can be sorted out reasonably
fierce hedge
How did the latest suggestion not get a blue checkmark. pretty sure it's been requested a LOT
lost agate
See, i would say diversity is ok but then comes the constant excuse of "but its bloat now"
zenith hazel
but alas, people will keep on wanting to expand on a small niche and nobody really can forbid them either
lost agate
Gotta limit yourself otherwise its considered bloat so hahuo
sand umbra
melee comes to mind
zenith hazel
it’s an endless cycle where there’s no definite result
sand umbra
Makes me raise the question of where exactly the line should be drawn.
It's never really clear.
zenith hazel
that’s my 2 cents on it, at least
lost agate
Theres no line thats the thing
sand umbra
lost agate
You can add a crap ton of shit then it gets called bloat but vanilla literally has yoyos with the same stats and nobody cares about it
ashen warren
I mean i wouldn't be suggesting this if there was already a R1, or even R2 flamethrower
lost agate
If you want an example tho, vanilla throwing is the counter example of bloat
sand umbra
lost agate
Also doesnt vanilla have like 2 flamethrowers?
lost agate
Well i would say calamity already boosts the subclass quite well
ashen warren
Yeah. Flamethrower (Post-Prime), and the Elf Melter (Frost Moon drop)
zenith hazel
post prime but ok
lost agate
Flamethrower is post prime rather
ashen warren
:derp:
sand umbra
Personally I quite enjoy what Calamity adds for flamethrowers as is. It's not too terribly much, but it already makes the subclass feel like more of an actual subclass and not just a pair of unique ranged weapons.
hearty yew
In vanilla all flamethrowers are useless
that's the other sad thing
They're both cool, but both useless
sand umbra
big rip
hearty yew
Calamity tries to buff the two vanilla flamethrowers to be useful
Regular flamethrower it succeeds at
Elf melter... no
zenith hazel
it’s already an extremely smol subclass in its own right
sand umbra
Elf Melter is overshadowed by Terra Flameburster, if I recall--
Although I might be wrong.
lost agate
Like see, regular flamethrower, it pierces and gives on fire yeah?
Well its only useful for destroyer but the dmg is lackluster and hes immune to on fire
On vanilla i mean
sand umbra
tired haven
Exactly
Well you could try t2 ooa but why not just use repeater with jester arrows?
The only niche of flamethrower is taken by a single type of ammo
radiant pawn
flamethrowers are baad
sand umbra
Petition to nerf Jester's Arrows, anyone?
radiant pawn
more like frostburn
those arrows for being pre boss beat any arrow available pre hm
sand umbra
frostburn arrows would be better if frostburn did anything close to appreciable damage outside of rev or lower KS and normal-expert mode EoC
void kelp
unless you’re fighting a worm boss, then jester arrows
radiant pawn
frostburn does like 2 dmg per second
and almost every boss pre hm is vulnerable to frostburn
sand umbra
yes that 8 DPS is really going to turn the tides of battle
that's a lot less than you might believe
radiant pawn
it does actually
lost agate
It saved my ass vs maso skelly ok 
sand umbra
radiant pawn
sand umbra
I will say
Frostburn is a very good debuff early on.
It's one of the few cases where it's generally recommended to pack a debuff-dealing weapon.
It loses its utility rather quickly though, especially in the face of stronger debuffs and boss stats getting more and more difficult for it to keep up with as you progress.
shout-out to Calamitas' Brew carrying to Hardmode with the power of Blood Orbs
empty geyser
When you use blood orbs for anything other than Zen and Zerg
civic pond
yharim's stimulants
jovial spire
any potions that takes fishing to make
civic pond
^ definitely.
sand umbra
imagine making fishing interesting
hollow shell
Correction: You can't make Terraria fishing interesting
(There are plenty of ways the system could be changed to make it more engaging but as it is, it's just waiting)
sand umbra
Counter-correction: Terraria fishing as it is right now isn't interesting.
Care to elaborate on ways the system could be changed to be more engaging? Am curious, tbf--
hollow shell
Here's two ways:
https://youtu.be/n4BQPXgERr4
https://youtu.be/KSJo-AaV0hY?t=67
Phantom Hourglass one might not translate as well considering lack of touch screen but it could be done to an extent.
sand umbra
ooo
Stardew Valley system looks neato
although going off of that'd then raise the question of how drop rates would translate, given that
fishing rn is balanced around it taking about 3-6 seconds to cast, catch a fish, and cast again
might hafta add stuff to increase the amount of drops you get per hook? i'll have to look into it
hollow shell
This is true, if fishing takes any longer or gets any harder it'll need some rebalancing
You could probably make all the recipes that require fish in them to craft multiple of what you need
sand umbra
hmm.
hollow shell
but, that'd work best if you're Re-Logic and not a modder
sand umbra
which I'm not
still, it's intriguing to think about
and I do want to eventually delve into a potential fishing expansion/overhaul
void kelp
I did make the fishing add-on sugg way back when specific item sugmas were banned
hollow shell
weren't*
void kelp
oh no, I made it right after owo
hollow shell
ah
sacred thorn
What about a accessory that makes fishing poles throw out three lines at a time?
swift bison
fargo's mod has one that makes fishing lines throw out 10, so that's very doable
sand umbra
what is this, the Terrarium Whale Catcher
I mean like an actual accessory to increase catches per hook.
swift bison
the terrarium whale catcher is a thorium fishing rod?
sand umbra
Since if I were to go with something more akin to SV's system, multiple hooks wouldn't work unless you had to time it so all three hooks catch at once.
swift bison
that has 60 power>
swift bison
does whalecatcher + tralwer soul (or SoE) throw out 30 hooks?
sand umbra
it throws out approximately yes hooks
bonus points if Angler Ench. is stacked with it because that IS a thing you can do despite the latter being a material and it's absurd
swift bison
SoE has both
so
lets imagine how many hooks you get from whalecatcher+SoE
oh wait
sand umbra
this isn't other mod talk btw
lel
swift bison
does trawler soul craft into universe or dimensional soul?
sand umbra
angler ench ---> trawler soul ---> soul of dim ---> soul of e
swift bison
ok so do SOE+Dim+Trawler+Angler Ench+Terrarium whalecatcher
radiant meadow
flamethrower suggestion pains me
brazen bramble
what have you done!
flamethrowers are already pretty big in calamity, they even have an auric tier already
civic pond
swords are pretty big in calamity.
civic pond
swords are fucking bloated
brazen bramble
i really want a pre-boss flamethrower too, right now it's probably even harder than yoyo at some point progression wise
and right now it's impossible if you want pure flamethrower
brazen bramble
would be nice though
civic pond
yes it would be but there are other more important things to attend to at the moment
pensive
brazen bramble
till then
i already gave my flamethrower suggestion, i don't think it passed though
civic pond
I would rather focus on suggestions that improve the weapons we already have
Such as moving them to different points in progression to make it less bloated in some tiers
fervent zealot
flamethrowers are literally one weapon in vanilla
it's not a subclass, it's a sub-subclass
brazen bramble
like yoyos? there are 3 at the same point of progression post-providence
zealous ridge
there are two flamethrowers in vanilla, elf melter is the second
brazen bramble
shortswords too
civic pond
wtf is a sub subclass
zealous ridge
i guess just a sub group of a sub-class of weapons
civic pond
wh
lost agate
Green yoyos hahayes
zealous ridge
i treat the ghastly glaive as such, because its technically a spear but works pretty much unlike any other spears
civic pond
Verdant makes me pensive
brazen bramble
i think lacerator should be post-polterghast and be buffed a bit
zealous ridge
ehhh
brazen bramble
yoyoyoyo
void kelp
oh ew a yo-yo
civic pond
:(
brazen bramble
oh no the circle weapon
zealous ridge
lacerator moving to post polter would balance wise spread out the yoyos but it doesnt work because its already in a set thats pre polter
lost agate
Lacerator is pretty good for sentinels tho
zealous ridge
at least thats what i think
zealous ridge
and yes lacerator is good for sentinels
brazen bramble
i mean it can make sense, since some stuff that have bloodstone have the ruinous souls
zealous ridge
you know, im also on the edge with that because its part of this pseudo-set with phangasm
lost agate
The only thing i know is the armor
void kelp
isn’t mourningstar supposed to be post-polt ?
zealous ridge
mourningstar hasnt been moved yet i believe
brazen bramble
yeah.. hmmmm
void kelp
ohhh
brazen bramble
maybe there can be a reaper yoyo
and later more weapons can join the reaper teeth party
sand umbra
or maybe just
civic pond
oh lord
sand umbra
add more to the post-Polter Abyss in general
brazen bramble
can spread between the abyss and polter
zealous ridge
its hard to say what the priorities are for the devs right now though, as much as i would like an abyss expansion it may be the case that devs deem it finished enough to be left alone for a while. after all, devs dont have infinite time to work on making every aspect of the mod perfect.
zealous ridge
yeah, me too
and hey, that might mean some new abyss content along the way
so i think it balances itself out
civic pond
perhaps
lost agate
infinite spelunker would make that accesory useless
young fog
queen delta
Also the invisibility actually has some effect
Still pretty useless but it actually does make enemies not see you
fluid stone
it should be different
civic pond
i forgot invisbility had a legit use in terraria
zealous ridge
would be cool if they acted like binoculars or could give you the rifle scope effect without having the scope on... but tbf that would nullify the use of rifle scope which is obtained later anyways (despite it being basically useless when not upgraded)
sand umbra
binoculars effect would be nice
hollow shell
Having Binoculars all the time while it's in your inventory actually sounds cool
sand umbra
given that EoC drops Binoculars and Twins are beefier EoC x2
fluid stone
also king slime needs a lore item
tired haven
Binoculars 
fluid stone
all the other bosses have itg
sand umbra
consider also that Binoculars are
actually fucking stupid to farm
fluid stone
including other side bosses like queen bee
queen delta
How about having the lore gives you ascended vision, such as what the boss is planning to do next
zealous ridge
queen delta
totally not hard to do
sand umbra
new plan: DoG lore gives you god-slayer breath
minty fresh, too
fluid stone
twins is kinda useless in this mod though tbh
you can just do the much easier aquatic scourge for alot more
sand umbra
I wanna give the Mechs drops but at the same time it's hard to come up with shit that wouldn't also be craftable
fluid stone
idea
at this point in the game the shrine items arent that useful
maybe a shrine item locator?
zealous ridge
why would you need that if the shrine items arent even useful at that point
zealous ridge
queen delta
I found twins easier than aquatic scourge 
queen delta
I always find myself getting cucked by his spore clouds
rugged mist
While the item is in your inventory bruh sound effect 2 mod is forcibly activated
fluid stone
azura no
queen delta
Yes its just me being bad but thats just my personal experience
hollow shell
You should probably edit your suggestion, Genesis
because the invisibility granted by the lore item does decrease your Aggro
it doesn't have zero effect
queen delta
enemy aggro*
fluid stone
fine ill change it to quite useless
queen delta
sand umbra
allow me to rephrase on their behalf
it gives no practical bonuses
since when is decreased aggro useful
queen delta
Unless the invisibility is so good that even bosses wont notice you
sand umbra
Invisibility is largely a visual effect. It gives very few actual bonuses, none of which are particularly practical.
tired haven
They won't notice you if there is another guy without twins lore
And preferably with turtle armor and flesh knuckles
zealous ridge
but thats kind of a MP only bonus
sand umbra
hueh.
zealous ridge
in singleplayer decreased aggro means very little
sand umbra
I reiterate, Twins lore giving perma-Binoculars would be cool.
decreased aggro doesn't mean shit in SP lmao
doesn't mean shit with Calamity either because most enemies can and will attack you regardless, hell the Abyss uses its own aggro calculations rather than the built-in ones iirc
queen delta
How about twins lore doubles the max amount of common items that can drop?
queen delta
So stuff like bones, depth cells, etc, has a chance to drop twice as much than usual
Perhaps even blood orbs could be affected
zealous ridge
its certainly interesting
civic pond
🤔