yes
#suggestions-discussion
proven tide
ashen warren
If it were not terraria then I could see it.
But for now, headcanon it as DoG being overconfident as fab always says.
placid moth
I get like 20 fps currently, so if that happens, I'd probably get 0 fps.
queen delta
I mean nothing wrong with this suggestion
Its really cool and a great concept
But of course, itd just be hard to make it work
balmy coyote
I've thought about something like that, it's an excellent fit for the DoG and I'd love to see it be a reality
But it would be hell to create, I'd imagine
So best to hold off on something like that till if and when calamity becomes a full game imo
proven tide
which comes first
calamity game or calamity anime
when half of calamity's content is directly dependent on the style and content of terraria
proven tide
luminite and galaxia, hm abyss, etc.
hollow saffron
which is hard to do
hollow saffron
it's kinda like trying to make a minecraft movie imo
proven tide
terraria animated series
by the way
is an official thing
it genuinely hurt to watch
ashen warren
What if I told you
mc movie is happening?
solemn flame
I... Don't want to see that
ashen warren
not me what are you talking about
radiant meadow
you're supposed to be able to hit doggo during the laser walls
proven tide
who does 
radiant meadow
if he disappears into a black hole, it'd be weird to still hit him
placid moth
Doesn't DoG have increased DR during laser walls though
foggy kindle
So he just go sub-invisible and fires laser... I thought he was invincible during that period
pliant bone
It used to be that way until like some update
and a couple more updates fixing the lag issue caused by the mere existence of DoG being vulnerable in laser walls
tough ruin
@queen delta Im not sure if it was said here, but afterimages can be disabled by equipping not part of the set in vanity slot
hollow shell
Not armor, he's talking about the afterimages on many Calamity weapons and some enemies
ex:
https://gamepedia.cursecdn.com/calamitymod_gamepedia_en/1/14/Subsuming_Vortex_(demo).gif
https://gamepedia.cursecdn.com/calamitymod_gamepedia_en/b/b6/Stellar_Knife_(demo).gif
proven tide
i wondered why the ssv gif looked so weird and nyoomy
i didn't realised it had already been updated to the afterimages one
hollow saffron
why do so many weapons and stuff have this many afterimageas
lost agate
Some could get toned down yeah
hollow saffron
also is there a way to make the config.json actually part of the terraria settings(like how you can set a custom keybinding for like, the asgardian aegis)
worthy fiber
tMod does have a new config feature iirc
sand umbra
It does! I'm sure that could be used to allow the afterimages to be toggled for those with less impressive computers.
also holy shit Stellar Knife looks a billion times cooler with afterimages
tired haven
A lot of rogue weps specifically benefit from afterimages imho
New celestus is pure :sex:
But yeah it can get bothersome on some other examples and enemies
zenith hazel
why? @solemn flame
solemn flame
It just makes melee look a lot more op, considering that it has BOTH melee and rouge weapons. Was just an idea
balmy coyote
Add that to the suggestion
distant gyro
I think the other way around will happen
sand umbra
the term I'd use isn't "OP" but rather just "bloated", but i digress--
distant gyro
or at least rumor has it that when rogue is fully expanded, all "rogue variants" of melee will be yeeted
devout lava
@lost agate
Question: Are "fixing a sprite" suggestion put in #suggestions-voting or #bugs-read-pins
Cause theres one sprite i wanna talk about
devout lava
Its for one of the sets but i forgot the name
Its a white/black coloured looking set
With a helmet and white hair i presume coming out the back
And this is like a huge hair style
ruby cobalt
is that even a calamity set lmao
distant gyro
I think that's not even a calamity set
solemn flame
Is it vanity?
devout lava
Im not sure, ill have to check later
cyan lagoon
Post a pic?
devout lava
Its vanity
ruby cobalt
yup, not calamity
solemn flame
Ok
sand umbra
~~the reason i knew it wasn't calamity was because you said "vanity" to describe the set
calamity has no vanity sets and very few vanity items at all lmao~~
devout lava
True, i just searched it
ruby cobalt
not a set
solemn flame
But it is vanity
night cradle
He said mod still has few vanity items
devout lava
Calamities vanities
But thats seperate
and a dead wiki/server
night cradle
Not none
queen delta
Who dares say melee is bloated 
solemn flame
It's bloated including the rouge weapons 
devout lava
Rogue is going to have an update reeee
lost agate
Ah well thats solved
hollow saffron
melee does have a heck ton of weapons ngl
solemn flame
hollow saffron
however removing all rogue-like melee weapons wouldn't turn out well
you wouldn't be able to get the elemental disk which is epic for crowd control
and besides it does kinda limit melee playthrough a
like if someone wanted to do a boomerang-only playthrough
devout lava
Heck, i think you can do a only spear challenge
zenith hazel
rogue definitely needs e-disk more tbh
solemn flame
Yes
zenith hazel
melee already has swordsplosion + ark + buffed ele shiv (next update) + e-lance + e-disk
hollow saffron
anyway in rogue expansion is rogue getting more consumable or knife-like weapons
lost agate
Ah yes lets add everything to all tiers so people can do theor subclass-only 
zenith hazel
all 5 of which are usable on provi
hollow saffron
good point bird
hollow saffron
no
zenith hazel
too weak iirc
ruby cobalt
copper shortsword of dicks
solemn flame
hollow saffron
ruby cobalt
it also gets shoved into your face non-stop
solemn flame
lost agate
Its the size of this wallnut except way smaller
solemn flame
ruby cobalt
that's honestly how I feel about this whole "hurdhurdrhuadhruhar we need moar subclasses which are asctuskhusally classes"
hollow saffron
nah it's about as large as a mouse in terraria
zenith hazel
honestly, yoyos alone are already enough in terms of subclasses, we don't really need to expand more on stuff like spears and such
lost agate
But yeah, if the reason to deny that suggestion is subclass runs well... 
zenith hazel
it'd cater too much for the small percentage of people who are actually willing to use nadir vs scal
solemn flame
zenith hazel
and lemme tell ya, it sucks ass for scal, and you might be surprised why
hollow saffron
why
lost agate
If something is good for scal it melts yharon
speaking of, remember when i said dragon breath could be somewhat ok for scal next update?
I guess thats a no
hollow shell
Melee has a lot of weapons and weapon types already, I'd be okay with making all the melee/rogue weapons just be rogue...
however, vanilla boomerangs are all melee
void kelp
tbh if it weren’t a redcode hell yes
but! I’d love for all the shared weapons to be just rogue anyways
empty geyser
^
signal prairie
Ok, that was a fast 100 stars
sand umbra
@ashen warren I've humored this idea before and was given the response of no--
Deuces is meant to be summoned in a unique way, hence why the Starcore is post-Deuces.
Hence why I'm really hoping that QoL sugg about Atlases gets implemented--
ashen warren
sad
i get it but tbh its just annoying having to wait/spawn a bunch of monsters with a zerg for the atlases to appear, maybe boost their spawn rate
sand umbra
That's what the sugg in question is, actually.
I get a unique manner being more interesting but also I completely agree on the fact that the spawn rates of Atlases is absolute ASS when you actually need them to show up.
I sugged a little while back for their spawn rates to get buffed post-LC to make life easier.
Got sent, have yet to hear back on it. 
ashen warren
here's hoping
gusty geode
Why'd they go with killing Atlases of all things
I'm cool with the idea of killing enemies to summon it
But what made Atlases specifically the best choice
opal barn
they look p cool
gusty geode
Personally
I could see a Martian-esque mechanic with the Probes
One spots you and runs off
And if you don't kill it in time you get jumped by worm gang
balmy coyote
Or just have the star core be made with lunar fragments
gusty geode
Would suggesting access to the dev server as a reward for no-hitting all bosses on DADIH count as a meme suggestion
gusty geode
K
I genuinely think anyone who could actually pull that off deserves something like that
vocal grotto
Deserves something, ye. But not dev server. That place is really only for development and testing from what I've heard
devout lava
@vocal grotto
Though what if it comes to Master mode death mode maso mode no hitting all bosses
Or the toughest thing you cn think of
Their own vanity set?
vocal grotto
I can't really say what the reward for that, if any, would be.
It'd probably have to happen first.
devout lava
We will wait and see
Im waiting for my brimstone elemental mask
gusty geode
One free suggestion that's guaranteed to get in
Only exceptions being a boss, biome or class (mini-biomes/mini-bosses are legal tho)
vocal grotto
There's more exceptions
civic pond
miniboss suggestions nowadays have like a 0% chance to get in
vocal grotto
Like specific items, for example
civic pond
vocal grotto
Ye, being legal doesn't exactly mean the devs will accept it.
devout lava
What do you mean "being legal"
civic pond
it doesn't break any rules of suggesting
vocal grotto
^
devout lava
FBI noises
vocal grotto
Like the boss thing he stated for example
gusty geode
What I meant was
None of the rules except what I mentioned would apply in that case
You would literally get whatever you want, with the exception of a major boss, biome or class, added to the mod as a reward for clearing the hardest challenge said mod has to offer
devout lava
That just made me think of a suggestion
civic pond
~~patreon armor when 
~~
devout lava
Done
gusty geode
Isn't that like the ultimate goal in vanilla
Why isn't there a reward
civic pond
the reward is not having your whole world eaten by some shitty biomes
night cradle
there kind of is, ^
civic pond
devout lava
Its just a small but big feature you can achieve
civic pond
Here's the thing.
IF you clean out all biomes you lose the chance for materials from them in that world.
Begone evil is a mod that exists too i guess
devout lava
Thats why at the VEEEERY end of your playthrough, you can do this
Like once you got everything
uncut crane
idk bout the hell biome
gusty geode
And terracustom
bitter topaz
what would be the point of having this in calamity of all things anyway?
all of the QoL stuff that exists in the mod is there for a reason
uncut crane
but ur idea is nice
bitter topaz
it seems like something you'd put in a misc. features mod, or even just its own mod
not in a combat-focused progression mod
devout lava
dont forget story
bitter topaz
wh
vocal grotto
I feel like the idea really only exists because it can
queen delta
I like the idea
Perhaps not something OP but a bonus would be nice
Considering fargo's mutant mod adds an item that can purify the entire world
swift bison
SIlva isn't coming back, but if she was it would be interesting if she only were able to revive if you removed all corruption, hallow, and astral
lost agate
Inb4 the apotheosis of purity
queen sail
@devout lava consider that vanilla put an emphasis on the world evils and balance in update 1.1 then completely forgot about them
elfin maple
i mean there's practically no reason for them to exist in late-game vanilla
seeing more world evil content in mods in general would be a good thing
sinful violet
I don't think the ruby's bad at all, but giving it some separate drops would be alright.
hollow shell
Wait till the update comes out first at least
sinful violet
Oh
right it's only a changelog rn
fuck
also that's in the doc to not suggest
warm tinsel
Rip, I'll delete it quickly
I meant actually having the jewel give off some of the numerous ruby projectiles that it haunted you with
But the jewel is already good
arctic notch
Why was Excelsus changed?
hollow shell
From being Influx Waver 2?
hollow shell
It happened with the resprite. I guess Fab wanted the projectile appearances to jive more with the function, and probably also wanted more control over the function rather than relying on vanilla projectiles
also if you want an Influx Waver 2 kind of weapon, except with more thought put into it, use Time Bolt
If viability is your concern then suggest it get a buff or something
arctic notch
Ok.
hollow shell
(It may have also been a change to put more focus on the true melee function of the weapon)
Thas a bit short
it's probably fine as it is, but if you wanna back it up with DPS numbers or kill times or something then that'd be welcome
helps out the testers more if they see it
void kelp
oh! it’s now true melee?
hollow shell
No
arctic notch
No.
void kelp
aww
arctic notch
It has a true melee fuvtion.
hollow shell
"true melee function" as in what happens when you hit an enemy with the sword directly
the laser fountain
arctic notch
"**Striking an enemy directly with the sword will cause a fountain of five fast gravity-affected lasers to spray into the air from the point of contact. The lasers deal 340 damage, regardless of the weapon's current damage value. **"
civic pond
I thought enforcer was like the better true melee weapon
hollow shell
Hello
civic pond
also hello sors
hollow shell
I'm not sure on viabilities myself, s'been a while since I played
I'll get back to you once the rogue update comes out 👀
cyan lagoon
@arctic notch the survey?
queen delta
What survey
arctic notch
Survey?
queen delta
What survey
arctic notch
Server.
arctic notch
As do most things.
queen delta
I still dont get it
cyan lagoon
Of course
arctic notch
It autocorrected to Survey instead of Server.
arctic notch
Yeah.
unique vector
i honestly dont think the server is active enough to warrant slowdown
slowdown should only be a thing if spam/fragmenting is a severe issue or if theres like 3 messages going out every second
hollow saffron
@arctic notch literally all dog drops are bad now
so glad i grew up with the old excelsus
and not the new one
arctic notch
Influx Waver has a cool mechanic. Arguably the best one.
hollow saffron
do you remember when the excelsus used to fire buffed influx waver beams
sand umbra
literally all dog drops are bad now
hollow saffron
at the very least it needs some sort of homing now
hollow saffron
imean "literally" is my own opinion but excelsus and the eradicator are definitely underpowered
deathhail is ok
mechworm staff is yes
lost agate
the melee weapon whose name shall not be mentioned
lost agate
havent tried it
it was ok afaik
only bad doggo drop be for event farming or yharon was excelsus
arctic notch
It's not as good as Storm Weaver's bow iirc.
lost agate
i havent heard of the storm being that good either
zenith hazel
didn’t excelsus just get buffed?
zenith hazel
it got its damage significantly buffed
hollow saffron
deathwind is uh.
lost agate
actually, yeah
hollow saffron
@zenith hazel i think the damage stat should be reverted but it gains homing
lost agate
excelsus kills yharon p1 in 3 minutes smh
lost agate
eradicator is another weapon wot
zenith hazel
yeah exactly Shucks
hollow saffron
fricc
lost agate
its the frigging boomerang
arctic notch
No it doesn't. I had good shit and Excelsus didn't even deny Yharon.
hollow saffron
did you try to not get hit
zenith hazel
you could use another weapon too
arctic notch
I even dual wielded Excelsuses.
lost agate
how long ago did you try excelsus?
arctic notch
And Minecraft's dual wielding isn't dual wielding.
hollow saffron
i know lul
arctic notch
Not good, at least.
lost agate
Well theres a chance you just werent using excelsus properly
hollow saffron
but imean you can still place torches and stuff using your offhand
lost agate
if you mindlessly swung it around then eh
hollow saffron
Thetis i dont hit enemies with the sword
I have a phobia of taking contact damage
lost agate
what beam
zenith hazel
excelsus shoots out swords
lost agate
hollow saffron
why am i mixing up my words today wtf
lost agate
also if you arent hitting with the sword projectiles then wtf are you hitting with
arctic notch
How is there a "proper way" to use a projectile sword?
lost agate
Then what is the fucken beams
zenith hazel
aim it at yharon?
arctic notch
I do.
zenith hazel
calm down
lost agate
you want me to try it rn? i can
hollow saffron
well i have yet to do another melee playthrough
zenith hazel
I can test out excelsus later
hollow saffron
im waiting for the next update to open terraria again
Also i already did say that i didnt know of the damage buff
lost agate
I was using it on yharon 
hollow saffron
what about on a dummy
viscid tiger
@ashen warren what about making Starcore craftable from a new item that atlases drop, then at least you still have to kill them
queen delta
How about starcore is dropped by astrum deus with a 1/100 chance
fervent zealot
how about starcore no longer exists and you have to summon deus by killing one of every astral enemy
queen delta
Yes but then add a new astral enemy that is 10x rarer than rune wizards
fervent zealot
mind you, that's exactly one of each, because if you kill any more, it resets and you have to start over 
queen delta
Thank you, terry alter ego
ashen warren
@hollow saffron was this not already happening?
hollow saffron
if so then i have no knowledge of it
ashen warren
don't quote me on it but i think phabsol said something about it at one point
here, i understood this as: sulphur sea event, but i'm not sure iph that was the implication
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/405919380447297536/620324318966186014
the message a while below that mentions events
hollow saffron
that's not what i was talking about uh
i was mentioning an irradiated rain expansion
ashen warren
oh ok
hollow saffron
and i said that now with a new sulphur sea color we might as well add more content to the rain it spawns
lost agate
More stuff for this update 
lost agate
with how you used new sea colors as an excuse like barely 20 minutes after it was shown it felt like you were in a hurry
hollow saffron
nah i wasnt
but i dont feel like having to explain to everyone so upscroll time it is
(there edited is it ok now)
misty igloo
@arctic notch most boss drops aren't powerful agains the next boss
arctic notch
They're still usable.
arctic notch
Cosmilite items Succ.
hollow saffron
god slayer
eradicator
silva uses cosmilite so ill count it
light god's brilliance
jovial spire
Galaxy Smasher
hollow saffron
^
jovial spire
Executioner's Blade
hollow saffron
^^^^
arctic notch
I've never used Galaxy Smasher.
hollow saffron
deathail staff is pretty ok
jovial spire
its amazing
jovial spire
And executioner's blade is like the best weapon for yharon phaee 1
jovial spire
Does Cosmic Discharge count?
jovial spire
Auric Tesla?
jovial spire
so yeah cosmolite made items do not suck
hollow saffron
asgardian aegis, rampart of deities, the sponge
yeah
long story short: cosmilite epic
lost agate
If you expect dog drops to be as good as something that needs you to farm 2 events, craft one crafting station, get even more materials for the actual weapon, and even more for the gear, then i have bad news for you
hollow saffron
lul
zenith hazel
and then there’s mechworm
lost agate
thats because theres no crafted summon, dont make me go nerf it 
queen sail
I have a feeling he says the drops are bad then sticks to items overpowered for its tier
signal prairie
120 love for depth blade
fierce hedge
@hollow saffron What about a new event that appears like, Every Full moom
Moon*
And it scales on what progression you're at so its fair in every part of the playthrough
hollow saffron
@fierce hedge why not suggest that lul
topaz dirge
You mean besides just werewolves showing up and deathweed being able to be harvested?
And fishing having a massive boon
queen delta
Yeah and the 1% gets instantly purged by our bots moderators/admins
tulip parcel
Wait
I don't know about armageddon
but defiled rune gives a status indicator and iron heart makes the hearts look like hollow knights @fierce hedge
fierce hedge
Does it, i never noticed.
That also tells how little you can see it
Unless its ACTUALLY just me.
But then again Armageddon is the biggest problem
queen sail
Annnnnnnnd instant blue checkmark
brazen bramble
might as well edit iron heart out
fierce hedge
Why is that
queen sail
Does iron heart even have any reason to exist
tired haven
Iron heart is tricky
It is supposed to change your hearts which is pretty visible change, and also cannot be toggled off, but sometimes it just bugs out
Also as of rn, almost no reason
fierce hedge
Its a thing. So why would you skip it
queen sail
Like people do arma, def, and arma and all three provide rewards in some way shape or form
fierce hedge
So far Devs haven't removed it.
tired haven
Technically, it is a Hardcore mode but without the hassle of "non-boss bs deaths"
fierce hedge
So it would mean its still being used
tired haven
I mean, defiled and armageddon can benefit you
Iron heart is simply a restriction
Which, I suppose, is the point @ KirbyMaster0519/RainTracer#8452 tries to make
queen sail
Also def rune is abusable
You don’t have to fight the boss with it enabled to get the bonuses
Unless they patched that out some time ago
queen sail
Good
Let me have my free legendaries
Also legendaries need a rework sometime
Atm they’re really rare drops that you’ll probably get at a point in progression later than when you were supposed to get it
signal prairie
So uh, there is a fair few suggestions that have hit 90 stars but don't have a white check mark?
night cradle
it takes time
signal prairie
It's been at least a few days that the depth blade suggestion has been at 90 stars.
terse sundial
Yeah, I've been slacking on that
sand umbra
The people that send suggs aren't bots. They have lives and often mod duties too.
signal prairie
I'm aware that I have to wait. It's just odd that it hasn't gotten check marked yet
terse sundial
I can't send it now, but in a few hours I can send it
~3 hours from now if someone doesn't snag if from me
signal prairie
Thx Merk why must your nicknames be so relatable
ashen warren
yeah
hollow shell
Rune and Arma do not, however.
gusty geode
I imagine it'd be as easy as like
Pictures of the two items somewhere on the UI that fade when the item is turned off
Or even just having the items themselves change appearance to show if they're on or off
hollow shell
I'd prefer the UI icon, so it's always apparent to the player
Changing item appearance would be cool tho
fierce hedge
I edited the suggestion so Iron Heart isnt in there since it indeed has an indicator
My mistake.
queen delta
Why Defiled rune and armageddon doesnt have an indicator to this day surprises me
tired haven
Tbh if Revengeance/Deathmode/Armageddon/Defiled were combined in a single item with radial UI that would be nuts
queen delta
Armageddon indicator is when everything gets a deep purple tint on the entire screen and defiled gives deep green tint on the entire screen
lost agate
Ew no
queen delta
lost agate
Having a shader always is gonna be ass
tired haven
lost agate
Last thing u know signus blends with the bg
fervent zealot
rev should give a constant blood moon shader and death should just give a black shader
lost agate
queen delta
what about DADSIH
lost agate
Vomit shader
cyan lagoon
funnily enough im listening to macintosh plus 420 rn
anyways shaders are not to be messed with
They're good if used right (like many things ) but go too far in the wrong direction and it fucks with your eyes a bit
hollow saffron
if we're talking shaders like in minecraft
then let me tell you
the mod is laggy enough for some people already
quiet abyss
^
zinc thunder
how many check marks til it gets in?
sand umbra
number of check marks doesn't matter
swift bison
90 stars
sand umbra
that's just the notification that hey, your sugma got sent to the dev server
swift bison
check marks don't matter
zinc thunder
got both of those
sand umbra
whether it gets in or not is entirely dependent on how the devs feel about the idea
sand umbra
protip: there's a pretty good chance you won't see a 🏁 (accept) or 🚫 (deny) for a while, 9 times outta 10
radiant meadow
If it got sent already, don't repost
hollow shell
Wait really, that happens with stealth?
That can't happen for everyone or with every equipment set, or I feel like it would've gotten noticed a long time ago
lost agate
Uh, weird it always looked ok for me
hollow shell
It's getting stars, so either this is a common thing, or people like to see issues fixed without actually experiencing it themselves
jovial spire
Yeah never happened to me
Although sometimes I lose the visual effect for a bit but keep my stealth bonus
Speaking of stealth there should really be a way to turn off the visual for it, as someone who uses vanity alot it bothers me
pliant bone
Just deal with it and nohit it 1st try
opal barn
@distant crypt Lorde will not be added back.
distant crypt
oof
zenith hazel
meme suggestion?
distant crypt
yes
zenith hazel
yeah, don't do meme suggestions please, that's a warn
ebon surge
If you’re referring to going into stealth but not actually going invisible, I have it all the time
Like 1/3 time or maybe a little more rarely I just won’t go invisible
It gives me the stealth bonuses, but I look normal
tired haven
You are near NPCs then
tired haven
Pretty sure it is 
At least my minor test during the playthrough indicated exactly that
hollow shell
That'd make sense.
You'd care more about vanity than a combat mechanic indication while you're in a peaceful area
If I/someone can get confirmation I'll add it to the wiki page
(if its not already present)
Not sure whats causing Terrowyn's issue of only certain pieces of him going invisible though...
tired haven
Yeah, I suppose it's so you are actually able to see your character while chilling on the base or interacting with npcs
frail mantle
I’m not sure but I think I remember someone saying that it’s caused by Terraria rendering the whole player texture if parts of the player is visible when wearing an armor set
Like, for example with Titanium Armor with the Mage or Ranged headpiece, part of the player is visible, so Terraria renders the full player texture
tired haven
Hmm
I only noticed that shadow clones miss the player texture completely, not the opposite
ashen warren
still only getting stardust when you kill them is a little annoying
it feels like they're all the same enemy
tiny rose
What
hollow shell
Making them all drop Fallen Stars too will not mitigate this issue.
tiny rose
Yeah
ashen warren
they drop the same things
distant gyro
They all get a variety of drops after Aureus
hollow shell
^
ashen warren
before him they seem like the same enemy
dusty stirrup
Just because you add fallen star to their drop table doesn't make them any more original
hollow shell
instead of Fallen Stars
dusty stirrup
Aye
ashen warren
and ok i admit it it was a bad suggestion
hollow shell
lol
ashen warren
but still something has to be changed
hold up, why not add something that feels more terraria like?
hollow shell
Such as
ashen warren
what if when a bunny enters water in the astral biome, it becomes an infected bunny
dusty stirrup
and what will that add exactly
ashen warren
be cool
hollow shell
That'd be a neat detail but it'd also be very rare
ashen warren
and add a tiny bit of more depth to the biome
dusty stirrup
I thought you wanted to make the enemies' drop tables more unique from each other
queen sail
Some cool details end up being a waste of time/not worth it
E.g old crags gen giving the biome an identity in comparison to now despite taking years to load and eventually being flattened by players anyways to make a suitable brimmy arena
dusty stirrup
I mean the astral bunny is pretty harmless but at the same time that's why I don't see it being such a neat addition
You'll see it once and be like "Oh that cool ig" and never care about it again
if you ever see it happen in the first place
gusty geode
Don't mind me, just thinking about the implications lore-wise of Fallen Stars being crafted from Stardust
void kelp
it’s like making coal from diamonds 
ashen warren
ok but what if there was an RIV that only dropped from astral bunnies
gusty geode
Do RIVs fall under specific items
Probably but just confirming
Just had an idea for a RIV of the Inferno Fork
It became a melee weapon (a spear specifically) while retaining its projectile, meaning it could do higher damage up close
The trade-off being the projectile had a cooldown, and both it and the melee part did lower damage on their own
But idk if I can legally suggest that anymore 
tired haven
The way you described that it's 200% specific item suggestion
frail mantle
On the topic of what counts as a specific item suggestion, does “add an upgrade to this item obtained in this area of the game”, with no other specific details on what the item actually is or does, count as a specific item suggestion?
hollow shell
You'd have to give a reason why you want the upgrade of that item to be in that tier
Extensive reasoning is always a winner
If you said "Make an upgrade of Darklight Greatsword and put it after Polterghast, cuz I like that weapon and it'd be cool to have something like it later" would probably not fly
gusty geode
As for RIVs?
I feel like that idea wasn't used enough, and even if I can't say what they do I feel like there should be more
However many hundred weapons/accessories and... what, 50 of them maybe got RIVs
Seems like a huge waste imo
queen sail
Well you have to make an idea as to what they’d do first
frail mantle
So, for example, saying “add a post-DoG Stardust Cell upgrade to grant more variety for pre-Darksun summoners and so they won’t need to rely on the Mechworm to deal damage” would be alright?
queen sail
Bc most of them have an ability that differentiates them from their original counterpart
hollow shell
Well, why Stardust Cell?
jovial spire
it would go well with mechworm probally
considering how similar mechworm is to stardust dragon
frail mantle
Cause I think the Stardust cell is a pretty cool weapon, and Lunar weapons tend to get upgrades post-DoG
Also ^
gusty geode
So
Are RIVs like a partial exception to the "no specific items" rule, or what
Bit of a weird situation, rules don't seem to cover it
queen delta
I'm not really a fan of the idea of just making a structure in terraria purely for lore
hollow idol
Sunken sea was sortof there for just lore and clam puns
young fog
hollow shell
It'd be nice to have more lore stuff in-game so it wasn't just "all there in the manual", as TV Tropes puts it
It'd have to serve some kind of greater purpose though
hollow idol
or rework the ice pyramid into it
hollow shell
That's what I was thinkin
Ice pyramid is nothing except a big blank structure containing one chest with one of a few items in it
Daedalus lab would be a good replacement
gusty geode
Anyone else betting a massive rework to, if not the generation, then at least the loot table of the Temple would work great for both lore and gameplay?
hollow shell
What're you thinkin?
gusty geode
All I got off the top of my head is adding Plague Cell Canisters
hollow shell
iunno if that'd be the most fitting
gusty geode
I mean
It was, at least at one point, Yharim's base
So
hollow shell
I don't think he'd keep any of that plague stuff lying around
Seems a bit dangerous
hollow shell
Same reason why killing a conglomeration of corruption creatures blesses the world with an air ore
ashen warren
fair enough
zinc thunder
is it illigel () to repost thrwice
hollow shell
What?
jovial spire
lore suggestion so i like it
misty igloo
@nocturne crow what happens when you play with friends and one player uses a class more reliant on DPS
whens the summoner ever gonna get his emblem
when his friend plays ranger
civic rampart
the summoner can disable his minions near the end of the fight
nocturne crow
Not exactly sure. But the last damage dealt seems fair for me. The fact that multiple people kill WoF in the same world, typically results in not only multiple treasure bags, but re-doing the fight a second time ensures 2 people earn their needed emblem.
At least with the change or added change. The treasure bags are always RNG. At least on Expert or higher.
hollow saffron
how would it work on multiplayer
foggy kindle
It wouldn't 
misty igloo
@civic rampart i meant in the instance of it being reliant on total damage dealt
civic rampart
then swap classes for a while or that the summoner just relax for a while
misty igloo
well if you swap classes youre not gonna get the emblem ever and if you go back you miss out on a pretty fundamental accessory until relatively late game
lost agate
That emote for suggestions seems... Oddly specific
Why is calamitas lore even boring, it does the same thing youre asking for 
opal barn
because we need more useless items in the mod
queen sail
I don’t like this item so add another item that does the same thing bc i don’t like this item
zenith hazel
or just... idk... use calamitas' lore?
brazen bramble
just spawn the lore in
queen sail
@zinc thunder please explain why we should add an item that instantly kills you despite already having two items that fill said niche
zinc thunder
because the last boss of the game should have a cooler lore ability
and plus it would allow for more stuff down in the bottom chat, like
"welcome to hell incarnate"
queen sail
We have armageddon (despite only working when a boss is alive) and the lore item
Besides instant kill isn’t really difficulty, more or less just a self-imposed challenge
Just use the lore item for now tbh
brazen bramble
if you think the lore needs some other ability, then you should've suggested that, though i'm pretty sure it has already been suggested
devout lava
@hollow shell
Hey, the thing about the void slab and void slab walls
This was what i was talking about
jovial spire
Yeah the slabs and slab walls belnd with eachother and i hate it
civic pond
bruh momento
radiant meadow
sounds like pixl fucked up shotgun sell price
but ye, sell price is fixed next update @strong kernel
grizzled matrix
Just cheat in the calamitas lore br
devout lava
@ashen warren
Its a room
The blocks around the room are the void slabs which are 2 blocks thick
And inside the room is the void slab wall
hearty yew
@strong kernel angelic shotgun price is off by a factor of 100
it's supposed to cost 1 plat 20 gold for a reforge I think
not 1 gold 20 silver
it's been fixed for the next update
vocal grotto
Flag then, I guess?
hollow shell
Sure
hollow saffron
star speed lul
terse sundial
tbh that could've been just asked in here
hollow saffron
I am speedD
hollow shell
Did it
terse sundial
thanks
what a rare sight to see two suggestions with flags next to them that are less then 10 stars
hollow shell
Because me and Ozza were there to see em :P
distant gyro
pretty fast and simple-to-add suggestions so yes
terse sundial
done
hollow shell
Thank you
(It'd be convenient if I had pin perms in this channel, not sure why I don't considering I do have it in #suggestions-voting)
terse sundial
you could probably ask one of our admins for that power
vocal grotto
Should probably consult Danny for that, ye
hollow shell
@candid dove May I have pin/message perms in this channel because I've already got it in suggestions main?
candid dove
Done
hollow shell
Thank you sir 👍
candid dove
Yw
hollow shell
I could prolly unpin Achilles's sprite pin considering that really only applied to specific item suggestions
candid dove
You could, aye
hollow shell
Aight
vocal grotto
I mean, I don't see why not. But I don't see why either. As you stated, there's already rewards.
teal ibex
also treasure bags
vocal grotto
^
distant gyro
@honest crane I can see a lot of problems with that, namely what gives that you aren't cheating on some bosses Treasure bags are already a reward of armageddon
queen delta
Also as a nohitter, I don't really care about some trophy for nohitting bosses
distant gyro
I don't think in-game items will function either
queen delta
And yeah who's gonna actually do it legit
hollow shell
There used to be rewards in the form of getting your item into the mod
but that's now been moved to Patreon
queen delta
😔
distant gyro
you can probably obtain that trophy by stabbing scarlet devil at 39 bosses and fargo souls if that item were to exist
nocturne crow
The only thing I can see, is adding a nohit mode to a level as opposed to adding it per boss? I'm just not really sure specifically. But should it get implemented, once the player dies by getting hit, game snapshots the screen, then immediately closes the world with a delete.
distant gyro
huh?
nocturne crow
Exactly. I don't see why either.
hollow shell
It would be that, yes
queen delta
There's really no need for a reward for nohitting bosses beyond extra treasure bags and glory
And yeah GL not getting hit grinding frost/pumpkin moon and solar eclipse
foggy kindle
Lol
civic pond
foggy kindle
:boi:
honest crane
What if I changed my suggestion to this: Check always for nohit and give the rewards of armageddon and remove armageddon
hollow shell
Nah, cuz Armageddon is convenient for no-hitters and those testing no-hits
Allows you to easily end your fight and retry
cuz the loss condition is getting hit once, may as well die then
I get the idea tho
honest crane
So could I just remove the "remove armageddon" part?
hollow shell
Hm
Yeah I guess that could be a thing
It's relatively unrelated to your original suggestion but, s'valid
nocturne crow
The way I worded my suggestion feels immensely illegible... Imma make it more readable.
honest crane
So is this a good change to my suggestion:
Add: Check always for nohit and give the rewards of armageddon
Reason: It could give a reward for nohitting a boss without dieing instantly and still giving you a chance to beat the boss
hollow shell
Wording could be a bit better
like "When fighting a boss, give the rewards of Armageddon if you defeat it without getting hit, even if you don't have Armageddon active."
honest crane
Ok thanks for your help
nocturne crow
Ok. Updated my suggestion. More lengthy but as straight-forward as I can make it.
fluid stone
GoT needs a huge nerf tbh
void kelp
do you have some dps comparisons to back it?
queen delta
GoT is better than phantasm? Wtf
fluid stone
the fact that it's pre cultist and has the highest dps out of any pre ml bow is insane
it beats tsunami's upgrade too
if you use holy arrows
void kelp
uhh alluvion should be outdpsing it
fluid stone
there's 1 between tsunami and alluvion
void kelp
i forgot the name of it
fluid stone
monsoon
fluid stone
i cant really put it in the suggestion
queen delta
Monsoon is better than phantasm and thats a fact
fluid stone
but when i did my ranger playthrough with @grizzled matrix and @prisma helm i tested all 3 and turmoil was somehow the best
void kelp
with the same type of arrow?
fluid stone
all 3 with holy
void kelp
that's why
iirc some of them have different effects based on whether or not you use wooden arrows
hollow saffron
GoT is op ngl
cyan lagoon
@lucid jacinth would be nice but it comes with a few problems
most notably being some of the sprites are lost to time
lucid jacinth
Yeah, I figured that might be the case
hollow shell
Would this count as re-adding removed features, do you think?
This isn't the first time we've gotten this suggestion but I'm not sure
cyan lagoon
hasn't been the first time something like that was suggested, yes
fluid stone
g
hollow shell
I feel like if you wanna be nostalgic about the mod's past you should go watch some old playthroughs or something
hollow saffron
oof
hollow shell
We here at Calamity Studios Inc like to move on from the past
and would likely not make efforts to implement something that'd reimplement past textures or features
lucid jacinth
Makes sense
hollow idol
I fought the dead slime while having vanity aureus pet on yesterday so yeah, they are perfectly stable still
lost agate
excuse me what
since when its greatbow of turmoil so good? it didnt do that well for me
and phantams is a fucking beast how is it stronger 
void kelp
say, were you using fully charged phantasm?
lost agate
also the fact we dont know if he was using fargos stuff or smth
lost agate
moreso the suggestion from genesis
hollow shell
@fluid stone
cyan lagoon
so both?
lost agate
Isnt that like lowkey glass cannon gear?
lost agate
well i have my terraria open, so lets try this
hollow saffron
@radiant meadow weird how that wasn't caught beforehand
radiant meadow
probably just because nobody made one
clear basin
drills n shit
hollow shell
Alright
hollow shell
Not confirmation lol
Just sayin, it's a fine suggestion
clear basin
no ik i havent seen it done that quickly before
hollow shell
ah
nocturne crow
Sounds fair to me. Always got tired of using pickaxes and the basic hammer is actually boring. I'd personally like to see a jackhammer honestly.
clear basin
there is only one jackhammer in vanilla, but the concept is there
civic pond
drills 
clear basin
chlorophyte jackhammer
even if drills sucks compared to picks, theyre way cooler
theyre also better for killing things if you cant be bothered to switch tools
nocturne crow
I never really grabbed the chlorophyte jackhammer cause the latest hammer I needed was the Pwnhammer. Should those be included, I'd like to see the effects some of the jackhammers could produce too.
clear basin
the chlor jackham is neat imo, it moves n shit and does a good job of lookin cool while destroying walls
queen delta
Crystyl drill instantly mines every block in the world
clear basin
i didnt even think of dev tier
but it would be a dev item so unless a dev wants to dedicate their life to drills
tired haven
Nobody ever has dedicated their life to summons so I can see these heretics getting a drill
clear basin
^
add a crab summon when
not the hermit crab a real crab
just a giant ass crab that kills everything
queen delta
signal prairie
queen delta
Exo sentry
signal prairie
grizzled matrix
scal is dev stuff
fluid stone
fine uhh then a legendary turret from bumblebirb
grizzled matrix
bbirb drops swordsplosion as a rare variant
fluid stone
dog has two rare varients and a legendary wep
yharon has a rare variant and a unique wep
tired haven
Well obviously polterghast then 
void kelp
@elder mist spam suggestion
zenith hazel
I got it
fresh harbor
:bruh:
ashen warren
ewhat was that
void kelp
thanks brav
ashen warren
just somebody going ham?
tired haven
Sleeping on keyboard iirc
void kelp
yeah
elder mist
zenith hazel
@leaden nymph don’t randomly post a suggestion like that iirc
or a message like that, idk
leaden nymph
I am very sorry.
zenith hazel
yeah just don’t do it again
empty geyser
stealth effect and lore item invis always annoyed me. Made it harder for me to see myself
Maybe make it more opaque in general
Or give an aura
carmine stream
how does this suggestion look?
The King Slime fight is currently somewhat boring. Nothing really goes on to change the fight. It’s time to change that. So, here’s my proposal for a King Slime overhaul:
Every time King Slime loses 20% HP, he gains a new attack. The attacks all correspond to a color that King Slime will be while performing the attack. This also changes the slimes spawned when hitting King Slime. King Slime changes color every 5 seconds. Here are the colors, their corresponding attacks, the type of slime spawned when King Slime is damaged, and when King Slime starts performing the attacks.
Full HP:
Blue, normal behavior
80%: Pink, jumps extremely high and fires a slow-moving slimeball downwards when above the player. Spawns Pinky when damaged, Pinky has reduced HP.
60%: Jungle Green, shoots waves of spikes upwards like a spiked slime. Spawns Jungle Slimes.
40%: Orange, shoots arcing fireballs that land behind the player. Spawns Lava Slimes.
20%: Gray. Shoots slow-moving rock blasts that inflict Dazed on hit. Spawns Baby Slimes.
In Death Mode, King Slime switches attacks every 3 seconds.
sand umbra
Probably too specific...?
Also KS is already getting an overhaul next update so like
lel.
queen delta
I wouldnt call it an overhaul
ashen warren
He’s gaining one new attack and spawns more slime types in rev next update
said new attack only appears when he’s under 50% life
karmic stone
This sounds like way too much and would probably fit better in something like masomode
lost agate
KS rework is like... Still doable while underprepared
No arena and just a cloud in a bottle and boots
radiant meadow
what the fuck... King Slime spawning Lava Slimes
signal prairie
Those are things that were already a thing when they suggested them
brittle merlin
I thought the flag meant they were accepted and implemented
queen delta
Yes but shhh
loud steeple
@carmine stream tbh,that's such a good suggestion but since ka allready is getting a overhaul it wouldn't work,but you could easily go talk to somelike like Terry or whoever works on Fargo's maso mode and it's cool enough that they might implement it.
fluid stone
i got 2 flags today
signal prairie
My Depth blade one is at 141 stars 
hollow shell
They were not Franswal what're you on
Sean's suggestion is a bit ambiguous with Ozz's wording
but Xult's made me do that
and Genesis's brought surprise to some testers so it is unlikely that they knew about it beforehand
fluid stone
my greatbow of turmoil 1?
hollow shell
Its got an implementation flag on it
radiant pawn
imagine having a crystyl crusher drill that goes half the speed of the pickaxe
signal prairie
I know Rover, I was just trying to meme a little
stiff spindle
This good enough to stop the spread to my home?
signal prairie
Wrong place and good enough
stiff spindle
It did say suggestion but ok. Where do I ask for next time
brittle merlin
Probably either #calamity-mod-talk or #help-advice-read-pins
Also suggestions is for suggestions for the mod
lost agate
Byeah turmoil is now nerfed
Wait @hollow shell i had to tell you when stuff got implemented right?
hollow shell
What?
lost agate
I thought u told me to tell you when suggestions were implemented
Or is my brain dying?
hollow shell
I don't know if yours is or mine
lost agate
Ah well
hollow shell
I don't recall saying that though.
lost agate
Nvm then
hollow shell
Seems a little weird to have the DCU be able to mine everything
Profaned Rock I can see because it's not really valuable, and it can prove intrusive with multiple Prov kills
but being able to mine Uelibloom and Auric as soon as they spawn without any upgrade required doesn't seem right
queen delta
Yeah perhaps they can be mineable a tier ahead?
So uelibloom ore is mineable post-Polterghast and Auric ore is mine-able post-SCal?
hollow shell
Perhaps, yeah
queen delta
I'll edit it then
polar moat
Hey, havn't used calamity in about a month and a half and was wondering if I should know about anything new?
hearty yew
@signal prairie sky glaze was buffed, became absolutely GOD tier, and then had to be nerfed to fire less feathers
so don't worry
it's amazing next update
signal prairie
Good, Its sad with those dps numbers
signal prairie
If I may, why not buff it to Aerolite tier and make it drop from Harpy's Post-Perfs/HM?
signal prairie
It confuses me because it looks like its a Post-EoC weapon AT LEAST but its trash
zenith hazel
isn't sky glaze already amazing for EoW anyway?
signal prairie
I tested its dps, its not
radiant pawn
sky glaze is good against DS
but you have to be that specific person to handle fucking harpies pre boss
sand umbra
Sky Glaze is gonna shred EoW next update I'm certain of it
queen delta
Then pull a big brain move and make EoW resistant to it
zenith hazel
I can easily reach ~600 dps with sky glaze, idk how it's bad
signal prairie
When your moving around and focusing on dodging. and using a boss like KS (high mobility, hard to hit) you really see how bad it is. And your not using super dummies
lost agate
@signal prairie not good vs eow? Wot i killed him in less than a minute
signal prairie
I saw EoC, not EoW
lost agate
It melts groups/worms
queen delta
A weapon that makes stuff rain from the sky will pretty much melt any worm boss
signal prairie
Any mage weapon melts Worm bosses
queen delta
it doesnt come from the sky tho 
sand umbra
counterpoint:
literally every pre-Mechs-that-aren't-Cryo mage option in current public build vs. desu
zenith hazel
hmm yes today I will use wand of sparking on EoW
queen delta
also how's my new suggestion?
lost agate
Plannetary annihilation on DoG 
sand umbra
signal prairie
most
zenith hazel
yeah this makes sense but physics are dumb
queen delta
DoG is... special
signal prairie
Wand of Sparking Vs. DoG hahaues
lost agate
Also you know why glaze shoots less feather when it only got like a 2-3 dmg buff?
i frames
sand umbra
because it was busted against EoW, mayhaps?
considering current Sky Glaze can nuke EoW on its own
lost agate
Well yeah every worm piece had it separate i frames
But for single targets the own feather would nuke the dps by i frames
lost agate
Well yeah
sand umbra
lost agate
And killing perf worms
queen delta
Perfs are pretty fun
sand umbra
not necessarily because it's boring but because I don't play with the Crimson.
queen delta
Even if all they do is rain stuff on you and send worms after you
I like crimson better than corruption cuz i hate corruption chasms and cursed flames
But yeah corruption has HiiH MiiM
sand umbra
Hive Mind is just better in all respects. 
lost agate
Im just saying, all you know meta wise is gonna go out the window next update