#suggestions-discussion | Calamity Mod Discord | Page 690

proven tide Sep 17, 2019, 3:06 AM

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lc is just running in one direction and jumping

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until the two of you are running past other and the lightning bolts are closing in from either side

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no rod because fuck grinding

ashen warren Sep 17, 2019, 3:51 AM

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If you guys want asphalt platforms use luiafk

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smh

jovial spire Sep 17, 2019, 4:26 AM

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Its a 5% chance drop with defiled, zerg and ya get it in 2 minutes tops. @proven tide

proven tide Sep 17, 2019, 4:27 AM

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our hallow was the jungle

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pre-mech, no steampunker

jovial spire Sep 17, 2019, 4:29 AM

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Steampunker spawns right when WoF is killed in calamity

proven tide Sep 17, 2019, 4:29 AM

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well then

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guess seq put her elsewhere

jovial spire Sep 17, 2019, 4:30 AM

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just mine the very few blocks there are, ket them spread a little, then make a house there for her.

proven tide Sep 17, 2019, 4:30 AM

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no hallow spread

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if we get bad rng we get bad rng and it'll stay that way

jovial spire Sep 17, 2019, 4:30 AM

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Oh well there shouldstill be enough spare blocks

proven tide Sep 17, 2019, 4:30 AM

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no

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not gonna bother with all that when we can just slapp lc now

zenith hazel Sep 17, 2019, 4:45 AM

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are we still talking about a suggestion or...

proven tide Sep 17, 2019, 5:00 AM

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derailed slightly

plucky matrix Sep 17, 2019, 7:34 AM

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Imo asphalt needs to have a downside (solid block in this case) just because you can outrun probably 35/39 bosses with it

ashen warren Sep 17, 2019, 7:36 AM

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taking increased damage the faster you are moving

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uh oh mighta crashed into a zombie, oh well, there goes my platinum

plucky matrix Sep 17, 2019, 7:37 AM

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That's stupid

ashen warren Sep 17, 2019, 7:38 AM

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ok

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it kinda is but it's an idea

zenith hazel Sep 17, 2019, 8:15 AM

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@elfin maple what's the reason for this?

elfin maple Sep 17, 2019, 8:15 AM

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pressed enter too fast

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trying to finish it now

proven tide Sep 17, 2019, 8:16 AM

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bruh just post it in here first anyway

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that's how it should be AAAAA

elfin maple Sep 17, 2019, 8:17 AM

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ok

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but i finished it

ashen warren Sep 17, 2019, 8:19 AM

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Fab's already doing the second option as far as I can tell.

zenith hazel Sep 17, 2019, 8:19 AM

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again, why?

elfin maple Sep 17, 2019, 8:19 AM

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nice

ashen warren Sep 17, 2019, 8:19 AM

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mainly the ore bows

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thass 'bout it

elfin maple Sep 17, 2019, 8:26 AM

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i like it a lot when they do stuff to change the projectiles

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besides simple stat changes there are definitely more things you can do with a bit more advanced code but seeing as calamity is one of the most popular mods then that won't be a problem

elfin maple Sep 17, 2019, 8:49 AM

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imagine a gun that makes all bullets home in or a bow that prevents arrows from being affected by gravity

frail mantle Sep 17, 2019, 9:04 AM

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Make Cursed Flames reduce enemy contact damage
Reason for this suggestion: Cursed flames are pretty weak compared to Ichor, even though it reduces DR. The DoT just doesn’t do enough to make it worth it, and Ichor is overall much better, reducing both DR and Defense. This change would promote giving players more of a choice, letting them choose whether they want to deal more damage or take less damage.

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 9:08 AM

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Or just make Cursed Inferno's DoT fuckin' mean something, tbf.

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h

ashen warren Sep 17, 2019, 9:09 AM

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Cursed flames relevant for 9 bosses?
Cryo, twins, aquatic scourge, prime, clone, plant somewhat, levi ram memes, .png and duke.

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Better than the 0 currently.

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Buffing DoTs eh thomas?
Well do I have the suggestion for you!

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oh jeez 120 stars sweating

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 9:10 AM

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How can you be suggesting it to me when I've expressed plans to do it already?~

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rooH

frail mantle Sep 17, 2019, 9:11 AM

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So is that a “yes” on my suggestion

ashen warren Sep 17, 2019, 9:11 AM

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thomas if you do this I will be in your debt for years to come

proven tide Sep 17, 2019, 9:11 AM

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https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/617915365909069824

ashen warren Sep 17, 2019, 9:11 AM

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Also uh, seems decent.

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 9:11 AM

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It's a "sorta" because Triumph Potion memes exist.

ashen warren Sep 17, 2019, 9:11 AM

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Contact DR is eh because I'm not exactly a fan of it.

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 9:12 AM

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Along with Paladin's Shield, Frozen Turtle Shell, Deific Amulet, and a few others I'm too lazy to remember off the top of my head.

ashen warren Sep 17, 2019, 9:12 AM

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We have many options for that, then of course transformer exists.

proven tide Sep 17, 2019, 9:12 AM

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*glances at brand of the inferno*

ashen warren Sep 17, 2019, 9:12 AM

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So you can get a fairly hefty mitigation ratio.

proven tide Sep 17, 2019, 9:12 AM

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yeees

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 9:13 AM

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brand of the inferno works with like

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two fuckin' things

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...actually no like four

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none of them are modded

ashen warren Sep 17, 2019, 9:13 AM

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imagine defense doing anything tbh
Brand legit buffs just that iirc.

proven tide Sep 17, 2019, 9:13 AM

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📎 Screen_Shot_2019-09-17_at_7.13.40_PM.png

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death mode memes, yay/nay

zenith hazel Sep 17, 2019, 9:15 AM

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I could see the cursed inferno debuff having better utility thanks to the suggestion, especially on bosses that ram you pretty hard and are somehow vulnerable to said debuff like scal and yharon too

ashen warren Sep 17, 2019, 9:15 AM

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Yharon resets CD every frame iirc.

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so it would mean nothing for chicken

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 9:15 AM

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okay but like why the shit is Yharon immune to god-slaying flames that would burn anything lower than a deity to an irrecognizable crisp

but not to some godly piss or green fire

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explain that to me

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happyfish

zenith hazel Sep 17, 2019, 9:16 AM

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scal then

ashen warren Sep 17, 2019, 9:16 AM

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i mean
Ichor is basically if noxus pissed.

proven tide Sep 17, 2019, 9:16 AM

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don't get me started on ichor

ashen warren Sep 17, 2019, 9:16 AM

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wait
Astral ichor debuff? eyes2

proven tide Sep 17, 2019, 9:16 AM

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you remember what happened last time 👀

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 9:16 AM

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ichor is

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a

proven tide Sep 17, 2019, 9:17 AM

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so uh can we talk about boss scaling

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bird is higher than I eat gods why?

ashen warren Sep 17, 2019, 9:17 AM

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not any more

proven tide Sep 17, 2019, 9:17 AM

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and bird god was higher than I eat universes why??

ashen warren Sep 17, 2019, 9:17 AM

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oh you mean yharon

proven tide Sep 17, 2019, 9:17 AM

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yos

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 9:17 AM

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OmegaFailure

proven tide Sep 17, 2019, 9:17 AM

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bumblefuck is a whole other bumble of fucks

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sweating

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 9:18 AM

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Can we talk about how an overgrown chicken is above DoG on the progression chain, despite the latter being so immensely powerful that he himself is above gods on the food chain.

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thinkies

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Just think about that for a second.

ashen warren Sep 17, 2019, 9:19 AM

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I mean, yharon is a phoenix.

zenith hazel Sep 17, 2019, 9:19 AM

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can we talk about how this is totally related to the cursed inferno suggestion?

ashen warren Sep 17, 2019, 9:19 AM

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yeah

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It's not HDFailure

proven tide Sep 17, 2019, 9:19 AM

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how about i suggest that we move dog up a tier

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 9:19 AM

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it's a hundred percent related, shut

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HDfailure

proven tide Sep 17, 2019, 9:19 AM

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won't at all ruin the progression balancing

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*glances at all the cosmilite-phantoplasm combo recipes*

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at all

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 9:20 AM

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Okay so thoughts on Cursed Inferno:

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why contact damage

zenith hazel Sep 17, 2019, 9:20 AM

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it exists

ashen warren Sep 17, 2019, 9:20 AM

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So, DoG above Yharone?

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 9:20 AM

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why contact damage specfiically when it already has a DoT you could buff the everliving mother fuck out of

ashen warren Sep 17, 2019, 9:20 AM

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Below darksun and so on.

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CI dealing like, 500dps or 0.5% of enemy health whichever is higher.

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HyperFailure

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 9:22 AM

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500 DPS

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smh

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leave that to the actual DoT debuffs

ashen warren Sep 17, 2019, 9:22 AM

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I'm hearing 499

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 9:23 AM

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100 DPS alone would be fine given it could also reduce enemy DR by 25% so that Ichor doesn't outclass it in every way--

zenith hazel Sep 17, 2019, 9:23 AM

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if this somehow ends with someone suggesting “make cursed inferno scale in progression”

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 9:23 AM

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In fact, let's take it a step further, hot take: Ichor should only reduce DR by 20% in exchange for also providing a flat defense reduction.

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CI scaling in progression

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i'm gonna need you to shut the fuck right there

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NPCArmsDealerGun

distant gyro Sep 17, 2019, 9:24 AM

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I hear the "s" word

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taxevasion

ashen warren Sep 17, 2019, 9:24 AM

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Idk man 0.1% of health every second sounds pretty ok.

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1000 seconds for a kill.

distant gyro Sep 17, 2019, 9:25 AM

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yea how about 33.33% hp every second

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HyperFailure

ashen warren Sep 17, 2019, 9:25 AM

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kills in 1 frame

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there ya go, CI now better than ichor

distant gyro Sep 17, 2019, 9:26 AM

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I think 1500 seconds to kill anything with CI is good enough

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 9:26 AM

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hence why I made its DoT only 100.

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TaxEvasion

ashen warren Sep 17, 2019, 9:26 AM

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100 still isn't much

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 9:26 AM

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Keep in mind that with my setup it also provides a greater DR reduction than Ichor and is just as easy if not easier to obtain.

distant gyro Sep 17, 2019, 9:26 AM

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solid +6,667 dps for death scal

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HDfailure

civic rampart Sep 17, 2019, 9:27 AM

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HyperFailure

ashen warren Sep 17, 2019, 9:27 AM

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Especially since ichor would scale into the endgame far better anyway with a flat dps boost to CI.

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Unless you want ichor to not do that.

civic rampart Sep 17, 2019, 9:28 AM

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idk, ichor can, uh, make enemies drip piss?

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 9:28 AM

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simple

there are some post-ML bosses which have this lovely thing called DR and only DR

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SCal comes to mind

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OmegaFailure

ashen warren Sep 17, 2019, 9:29 AM

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Polt, providence, and yharon are the big players here.

civic rampart Sep 17, 2019, 9:29 AM

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wait, provi doesn't have def?

ashen warren Sep 17, 2019, 9:30 AM

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CI does fuck-all especially since it and ichor don't stack.
and ichor adds like 25% damage to bosses with DR

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She should, that's the point.
Yharon and polt have def.

distant gyro Sep 17, 2019, 9:30 AM

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provi does have defense, so does yharon and polter first phase

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afaik

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dog and scal don't; but dog doesn't give a shit about any debuffs in the first place

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so all that's left is scal

ashen warren Sep 17, 2019, 9:31 AM

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DoG is immune to all debuffs that matter and scal is fb.

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 9:31 AM

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DoG doesn't give a flying fuck about debuffs lel

distant gyro Sep 17, 2019, 9:31 AM

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smh I said it before it was cool

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 9:31 AM

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DoG is immune to all debuffs that matter

ashen warren Sep 17, 2019, 9:31 AM

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Those are the 3 ones that you care about for ichor vs CI.

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 9:31 AM

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DoG is immune to all debuffs ~~that matter~~

distant gyro Sep 17, 2019, 9:31 AM

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enraged

ashen warren Sep 17, 2019, 9:31 AM

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pretty sure you can like
clam him or smth

distant gyro Sep 17, 2019, 9:31 AM

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the inescapable debuff

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 9:31 AM

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you can clam him yeah

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and enrage him

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and that's fuckin' it

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lmao

ashen warren Sep 17, 2019, 9:32 AM

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Clam time lads.

distant gyro Sep 17, 2019, 9:32 AM

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why are all enemies weak to clam again?

ashen warren Sep 17, 2019, 9:32 AM

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Because clam.

distant gyro Sep 17, 2019, 9:32 AM

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just for a clamity to be inflicted on them?

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taxevasion

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 9:32 AM

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~~that's not taking into account that every other post-ML boss is also immune to everything you can commonly inflict at their tier~~

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~~and then some~~

distant gyro Sep 17, 2019, 9:32 AM

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well, I know xeroc is probably clam-resistant

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since boss rush bosses are immune to clam

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HDfailure

ashen warren Sep 17, 2019, 9:32 AM

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Gets GSI
Doesn't fuckin matter

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 9:33 AM

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i mean even discounting the fact that GSI does garbage DPS for the point it's commonly inflictable

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everything you fight with it is immune to it

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HDfailure

ashen warren Sep 17, 2019, 9:33 AM

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so yes
Cursed inferno would need something more than a flat dps boost imo

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Swapping the DR means that it becomes somewhat equal-ish.

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Depends on the defense of the target.

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As for contact DR, It could work but it would still probably be niche.

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 9:37 AM

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It'd still be niche.

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At the end of the day, it needs something reliable to make it a reasonable alternative to Ichor.

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Rather than Ichor just being flat-out better in every scenario for every reason.

ashen warren Sep 17, 2019, 9:38 AM

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realtalk though
Nerf ichor, add new ones in progression?
astral ichor hmm?

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 9:38 AM

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~~I'm not making a new debuff that effectively replaces both, what do you mean--~~

tough ruin Sep 17, 2019, 11:17 AM

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Is it impossible to make luxor + murasama to work but only after yharon?

proven tide Sep 17, 2019, 12:40 PM

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@ashen warren

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a) is this a specific item suggestion
b) why
c) effortless

rugged mist Sep 17, 2019, 12:41 PM

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No no you don't understand, look at their username, it's an epic communism reference

ashen warren Sep 17, 2019, 12:42 PM

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yeah its basic, there isnt much to say

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its one weapon

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uwu comrade

devout lava Sep 17, 2019, 12:50 PM

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Sounds like a joke suggestion

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Oh wait it is

ashen warren Sep 17, 2019, 12:51 PM

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but it would be a cool weapon

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its a cool weapon idea

odd orchid Sep 17, 2019, 12:52 PM

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I thought weapons Suggs were a big no?

lost agate Sep 17, 2019, 12:52 PM

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@ashen warren dont do meme suggestions, that ensures you a warn

ashen warren Sep 17, 2019, 12:52 PM

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ok

zenith hazel Sep 17, 2019, 1:20 PM

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it sounds good on paper but stuff like profaned guardians and provi exist in BR which force a shift to daytime

proven tide Sep 17, 2019, 1:24 PM

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even so, having the entire thing be ominous and red

brazen bramble Sep 17, 2019, 1:24 PM

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@strong prism already been suggested and it got sent so far

proven tide Sep 17, 2019, 1:24 PM

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say the sun becomes darkened and shiny uwu

strong prism Sep 17, 2019, 1:24 PM

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Oh... I didnt know

jovial spire Sep 17, 2019, 2:14 PM

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guess who suggested it

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anyways but yeah really needs to be a thing imo

gusty geode Sep 17, 2019, 3:50 PM

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Maybe during bosses that require daytime
There could be a special "Bloody Solar Eclipse" in the sky
And when you get warped to hell for WoF, there could still be a Blood Moon-like sphere watching you in the background
Just to make it all the more intimidating

ashen warren Sep 17, 2019, 3:52 PM

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it'll be too repetitive as a visual

queen sail Sep 17, 2019, 3:52 PM

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Sounds like a lot of work for something pretty small

jovial spire Sep 17, 2019, 3:53 PM

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solar eclipse has nothing to do with xeroc

ashen warren Sep 17, 2019, 3:53 PM

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I mean, Supreme calamitas has a bloody background, but think about king slime

hollow shell Sep 17, 2019, 3:56 PM

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I'd like having an overarching visual effect on the boss rush

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because currently there is nothing

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and its a bit lazy lookin

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The effect could get more intense as you progress through the tiers
as you draw Xeroc's more prolonged and interested observation

gusty geode Sep 17, 2019, 4:01 PM

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What's supposed to be going on is the Blood Moon watching you, even during the day
Solar Eclipse is just a result of that

strong prism Sep 17, 2019, 4:23 PM

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It wasn't meant as a literal blood moon, I meant more as the red tinting and water colour. that is why i specified a visual

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a custom background texture would just go above and beyond for it

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basically an event

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but yea stardust basically a visual effect that shows that shit is getting to a boiling point
Basically a thing that says "you've started something, but can you end it"

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oh shit, my plaguebringer suggestion is at 102 nice

signal prairie Sep 17, 2019, 5:08 PM

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@sand umbra Yes, I approve of this suggestion. YES

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Sorry about the ping but yes

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 5:08 PM

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👍

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This is a rare example of something I've actually lifted out of Entropy's Edge --- I've made it a little more vague for the purposes of the sugg, but you can find the exact numbers in the doc.

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It's just always bothered me.

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Ichor being so much better than CI on all fronts.

placid moth Sep 17, 2019, 5:09 PM

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That said, what about Shadowflame Equipment

signal prairie Sep 17, 2019, 5:09 PM

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Ichor just need a nerf in general

placid moth Sep 17, 2019, 5:10 PM

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Is Ichor or -50% in DR better in hardmode in general

distant gyro Sep 17, 2019, 5:10 PM

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you mean marked? doesn't work for a good half-time

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because so many enemies are immune to it

signal prairie Sep 17, 2019, 5:10 PM

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I like the suggestion because it's a ever so slight balance but slight balances like that make the game play better

placid moth Sep 17, 2019, 5:11 PM

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I used Lunic Eye for my entire summoner hardmode.

distant gyro Sep 17, 2019, 5:11 PM

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same goes for betsy's curse

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so many enemies are immune to it that it's almost worthless

placid moth Sep 17, 2019, 5:11 PM

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It's also weird every enemy is not immune to Clamity debuff

tired haven Sep 17, 2019, 5:13 PM

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That's so the shellfishes actually damage anything

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lel

karmic stone Sep 17, 2019, 5:13 PM

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You even mentioned the sugg in #calamity-mod-talk, how does this not have 90 stars yet thonk

terse sundial Sep 17, 2019, 5:14 PM

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It was only posted about 30 mins ago, calm down

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 5:16 PM

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~~I could also try and push not having bosses be immune to everything you can inflict at their tier to allow for some more creative approaches to fights but that'd be pushing my luck I think~~

bitter topaz Sep 17, 2019, 5:22 PM

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@ashen warren dungeon guardians aren't even minibosses

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they weren't originally intended to be fought, and the bone key exists as a trophy for fighting one anyway
there's really no reason to buff them as the only time you'd ever even see them is if you intentionally skipped skeletron for some reason

ashen warren Sep 17, 2019, 5:24 PM

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Oh, right... forgot about that...

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 5:24 PM

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it's almost like there are things you're not supposed to fight normally

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happyfish

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I swear it's like Adult Eidolon Wyrms.

ashen warren Sep 17, 2019, 5:25 PM

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Done.

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 5:25 PM

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People see something in the game, their first thought is "how viable is it to fight this?"

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It's never "should I be fighting this", it's always "what do I get for fighting this".

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thinkies

queen sail Sep 17, 2019, 5:30 PM

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Prob bc in Terraria if you kill smth you expect to be rewarded

tired haven Sep 17, 2019, 5:42 PM

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Kill old man without transforming him in Skeletron

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You'd be severely disappointed thinkies

balmy coyote Sep 17, 2019, 6:04 PM

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You get a cool hat if you kill the uncursed old man

tired haven Sep 17, 2019, 6:09 PM

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Well that's uncursed one
Cursed one doesn't give hat

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(also uncursed one is clothier smhsmh)

balmy coyote Sep 17, 2019, 6:11 PM

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Old man's only purpose was to spawn a boss ~~right on top of you~~, I'll give you that

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But eh wouldnt be bad if he had something as a drop

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Unnecessary, but not bad

fervent zealot Sep 17, 2019, 6:17 PM

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his drop should be a reusable skeletron summon HyperFailure

teal ibex Sep 17, 2019, 7:25 PM

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just gonna play devil's advocate and mention that it's totally okay for evil alternates to not be totally equalized, to me that's always been part of the fun of playing with different world evils

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on one run i get the worm scarf to help me out early, but once i'm up to hardmode i have to work at a disadvantage without ichor for a change of pace and utilize what's available to me instead -- sometimes that can be more fun, in fact, in my experience

distant gyro Sep 17, 2019, 7:26 PM

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I think Calamity has enough things to give you for alternatives

terse sundial Sep 17, 2019, 7:27 PM

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problem is that the worm scarf can be bought by the dryad post-BoC

distant gyro Sep 17, 2019, 7:27 PM

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the only things you're sure that you won't get is the opposite effigy

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which is good enough for me imo

teal ibex Sep 17, 2019, 7:27 PM

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and given that vamp knives are kinda murdered in current meta, nerfing ichor too hard might bring it down too far imo

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oh that's right you can just buy worm scarf LOL

distant gyro Sep 17, 2019, 7:27 PM

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also the opposite biome mimic

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since you can't spawn those in either

terse sundial Sep 17, 2019, 7:27 PM

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it's not a massive nerf, just switching the DR changes in rev+ between the two

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 7:28 PM

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basically just slightly adjusting the two to be a bit more

balanced

teal ibex Sep 17, 2019, 7:28 PM

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i keep forgetting that a ton of the stuff gets tossed around in calam

terse sundial Sep 17, 2019, 7:28 PM

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yeah

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Calamity does that

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 7:28 PM

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because right now Ichor outclasses Cursed Inferno way too heavily for me to be okay with it even with the idea that Crimson stuff has differences from Corruption stuff

teal ibex Sep 17, 2019, 7:28 PM

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well yeah, i'm just saying that it's not INHERENTLY bad to have unbalanced counterparts so long as the general experience on each is interesting

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but granted that the actual variation is kinda out the window, it's probably a mute point

terse sundial Sep 17, 2019, 7:29 PM

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DoT + Higher DR reduction overall vs -20 defense and less DR reduction sounds better to me overall, Ichor is still stronger, just not as much

teal ibex Sep 17, 2019, 7:29 PM

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you can pretty much have whatever of either evil a lot of the way down, so it's a lot more reasonable to normalize them

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 7:29 PM

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yeah

teal ibex Sep 17, 2019, 7:29 PM

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uhhh depending on the DoT change suggestions at least

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 7:29 PM

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another thing is just that CI's DoT does virtually nothing

teal ibex Sep 17, 2019, 7:29 PM

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might accidentally overfit with both LOL

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wouldn't that be a sight to see

distant gyro Sep 17, 2019, 7:29 PM

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The only problem I have with that is that it feels like a necessary evil (no pun intended) to get ichor regardless of world types, to the point you'd get out of your way to expand the crimson island

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deepthonk

terse sundial Sep 17, 2019, 7:30 PM

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right

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 7:30 PM

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6 HP/sec DoT be like

"hi i exi- oh you're picking ichor instead ok"

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happyfish

teal ibex Sep 17, 2019, 7:30 PM

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i mean, depends on your perspective and experience, yeah

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i think a lot of players hinge builds on ichor just inherently because of how good it is

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but it's absolutely within reason to shrug it off on a playthrough imo

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but yeah, my impression doesn't mean too much for calamity because the evils are besties and love to share, so sheep360

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normalize away

fathom cedar Sep 17, 2019, 7:36 PM

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do it

gusty geode Sep 17, 2019, 7:36 PM

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Who and why

terse sundial Sep 17, 2019, 7:36 PM

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can you not post links without perms first?

fathom cedar Sep 17, 2019, 7:37 PM

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ok

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fabsol can u bring the sexy to me

bitter topaz Sep 17, 2019, 7:38 PM

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stop being an idiot.

civic pond Sep 17, 2019, 9:15 PM

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Yay more lag reducing

opal barn Sep 17, 2019, 9:16 PM

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@queen delta Retro and some other lighting disables afterimages

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pretty sure

queen delta Sep 17, 2019, 9:18 PM

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I already mentioned that

opal barn Sep 17, 2019, 9:18 PM

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oh taxevasion

tired haven Sep 17, 2019, 9:18 PM

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bruh

karmic stone Sep 17, 2019, 9:18 PM

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I thought Tera was memeing and kept quiet HahaYes

hollow shell Sep 17, 2019, 9:18 PM

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No

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Disabling it on Retro/Trippy is just fine

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If you're having performance problems you should be switching your lighting to that anyway

bitter topaz Sep 17, 2019, 9:19 PM

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iirc they actually run worse on lower end computers, rover

hollow shell Sep 17, 2019, 9:19 PM

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Retro runs worse than Color, you're saying?

civic pond Sep 17, 2019, 9:19 PM

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i remember retro and trippy causing me lag when i used them

bitter topaz Sep 17, 2019, 9:19 PM

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yea
it makes no fucking sense

hollow shell Sep 17, 2019, 9:19 PM

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Absolute dogshit

tired haven Sep 17, 2019, 9:19 PM

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It probably is caused by that newer lightnings were actually optimised

hollow shell Sep 17, 2019, 9:19 PM

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I used to own a bad computer and Retro/Trippy would always be better

civic pond Sep 17, 2019, 9:19 PM

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i wouldn't mind a way to disable it on the other settings that dont cause me lag

tired haven Sep 17, 2019, 9:19 PM

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calawheeze

lost agate Sep 17, 2019, 9:20 PM

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Retro and trippy lag you when underground cuz bruh_face

civic pond Sep 17, 2019, 9:20 PM

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weird

queen delta Sep 17, 2019, 9:20 PM

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I might just propose that afterimages be set to on by default for all 4 lighting modes and config option can disable it

bitter topaz Sep 17, 2019, 9:20 PM

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in my experience retro/trippy always halved the framerates on the awful computer i used to use

hollow shell Sep 17, 2019, 9:20 PM

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I have a feeling the Multi-core Lighting setting has to do with this

tired haven Sep 17, 2019, 9:20 PM

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I didn't have drastical difference on either so I can't tell anything

native summit Sep 17, 2019, 9:20 PM

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why there no official server for terraria (in game)??? its a real question so answer...

hollow shell Sep 17, 2019, 9:21 PM

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Wrong channel

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Wrong server

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you should ask in the Terraria Discord

native summit Sep 17, 2019, 9:21 PM

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???

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im talking about the mod

hollow shell Sep 17, 2019, 9:21 PM

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Why'd you say Terraria?

native summit Sep 17, 2019, 9:22 PM

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bc, its not another game

tired haven Sep 17, 2019, 9:22 PM

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Without any mention of mod?

native summit Sep 17, 2019, 9:22 PM

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calamity

hollow shell Sep 17, 2019, 9:22 PM

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Are you asking why there isn't an always-running Terraria world server for the Calamity Mod?

tired haven Sep 17, 2019, 9:22 PM

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I feel like you just thought it up

karmic stone Sep 17, 2019, 9:22 PM

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You don't say "Lets play Terraria with Calamity mod" you say "Let's play Calamity" taxevasion

native summit Sep 17, 2019, 9:23 PM

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--______________________________--

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why is it no official calamity mod server existing in this poor world

hollow shell Sep 17, 2019, 9:24 PM

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Terraria worlds don't make for great always-up servers in my experience
It's easy for Minecraft because the worlds are infinite and you can do a lot with permissions and such
but for Terraria, especially Calamity, it's very playthrough-based and with the limited worldsize there isn't much you can do for having unlimited access for anyone to join at any time

native summit Sep 17, 2019, 9:24 PM

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like I said, why is it no official calamity mod server existing in this poor world?

hollow shell Sep 17, 2019, 9:24 PM

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I just told you

queen delta Sep 17, 2019, 9:24 PM

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god

hollow shell Sep 17, 2019, 9:24 PM

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ffs

native summit Sep 17, 2019, 9:25 PM

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there official server for terraria vanilla, so why not in modded

karmic stone Sep 17, 2019, 9:25 PM

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Also MP clam is hell

civic pond Sep 17, 2019, 9:25 PM

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its buggy

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and unreliable

queen delta Sep 17, 2019, 9:25 PM

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Terraria vanilla has an official server?

native summit Sep 17, 2019, 9:25 PM

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--_--, ALOT

queen delta Sep 17, 2019, 9:25 PM

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Are you talking about Terraria server or discord server

native summit Sep 17, 2019, 9:25 PM

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wait here

karmic stone Sep 17, 2019, 9:26 PM

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I think they're talking about a Terraria server

native summit Sep 17, 2019, 9:26 PM

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https://terraria-servers.com/

Terraria Server List | Terraria Multiplayer Servers

Find the best Terraria servers.

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SIGH here

queen delta Sep 17, 2019, 9:26 PM

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Oh thats what you mean GODLUL

hollow shell Sep 17, 2019, 9:26 PM

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Which one is the Official Terraria Server?

tired haven Sep 17, 2019, 9:26 PM

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Neither of these is official

queen delta Sep 17, 2019, 9:27 PM

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Think of it this way

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Minecraft has a server list right?

native summit Sep 17, 2019, 9:27 PM

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yes, terraria is NOT a server what did u think D**M IT

queen sail Sep 17, 2019, 9:27 PM

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Um

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taxevasion

queen delta Sep 17, 2019, 9:27 PM

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idontgetit

lost agate Sep 17, 2019, 9:27 PM

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Confused_Cosby

hollow shell Sep 17, 2019, 9:27 PM

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You should have said servers, plural

queen sail Sep 17, 2019, 9:27 PM

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Might wanna calm down there

karmic stone Sep 17, 2019, 9:27 PM

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~~Did you censor dammit~~

hollow shell Sep 17, 2019, 9:28 PM

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By just saying "server", you implied there was only one official one

native summit Sep 17, 2019, 9:28 PM

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XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDd

hollow shell Sep 17, 2019, 9:28 PM

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And in fact there is no only one official server

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All of those are independently run

native summit Sep 17, 2019, 9:28 PM

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im laaughing to DEATH XDDDDDDDD

hollow shell Sep 17, 2019, 9:28 PM

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cool

tired haven Sep 17, 2019, 9:28 PM

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Not a mod but I think this attitude warrants a warn at least

queen delta Sep 17, 2019, 9:28 PM

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Completely unrelated, but how old are you?

native summit Sep 17, 2019, 9:28 PM

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15

civic pond Sep 17, 2019, 9:28 PM

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~~oh dear~~

dusty stirrup Sep 17, 2019, 9:28 PM

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If you keep acting like this ima have to slap a warn on you

tired haven Sep 17, 2019, 9:29 PM

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~~stop pretending to be like 5 years old then please~~

native summit Sep 17, 2019, 9:30 PM

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at the start I just asked why there are no official calamity mod server for terraria (like pedguin did)

hollow shell Sep 17, 2019, 9:30 PM

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Well, you didn't actually say Calamity
hence the initial confusion

native summit Sep 17, 2019, 9:30 PM

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yeah, i realised that

queen delta Sep 17, 2019, 9:30 PM

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I still don't know what you're talking about

native summit Sep 17, 2019, 9:30 PM

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henkhenk why

hollow shell Sep 17, 2019, 9:30 PM

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All Calamity servers atm are like, friend-n-friend playthrough servers

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There aren't any publicly run minigame whatever servers

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like Terraria & Minecraft

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which is what he wants

queen delta Sep 17, 2019, 9:31 PM

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Oh now I get it

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Thanks for the translation

tired haven Sep 17, 2019, 9:32 PM

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I doubt there would be any "official" (they are not actually official anyway) calamity mod servers in future
Due to multiplayer bugs, high effort required, low outcome and questionable replayability on post-Scal tier

queen sail Sep 17, 2019, 9:32 PM

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There’s no public modded terraria servers bc modded mp is aids

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taxevasion

tired haven Sep 17, 2019, 9:32 PM

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Does this qualify as an answer for you?

hollow shell Sep 17, 2019, 9:32 PM

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I don't have enough experience playing public Terraria servers to know what the benefit of playing one modded would have over one that is played without mods

native summit Sep 17, 2019, 9:32 PM

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no, there are not all playtrough server, DID u play ONCE stardust, a server on terraria, like a big one

queen sail Sep 17, 2019, 9:33 PM

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Why would you

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It’s laggy

native summit Sep 17, 2019, 9:33 PM

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yes

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no

tired haven Sep 17, 2019, 9:33 PM

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Minigames would make more sense to be set up on vanilla anyway

native summit Sep 17, 2019, 9:33 PM

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its not laggy at all

karmic stone Sep 17, 2019, 9:33 PM

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Clam minigames like why

native summit Sep 17, 2019, 9:33 PM

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not, at all

karmic stone Sep 17, 2019, 9:33 PM

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Or any mod

native summit Sep 17, 2019, 9:33 PM

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clam?

hollow shell Sep 17, 2019, 9:33 PM

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Calamity shortening.

native summit Sep 17, 2019, 9:33 PM

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ok

queen delta Sep 17, 2019, 9:34 PM

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Plus the server would be dead

native summit Sep 17, 2019, 9:34 PM

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why

queen delta Sep 17, 2019, 9:34 PM

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Look how dead pedguin’s server is

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And thats vanilla

tired haven Sep 17, 2019, 9:34 PM

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~~it won't be dead because we got one player right there~~ OmegaFailure

native summit Sep 17, 2019, 9:34 PM

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is not dead at all???? what u mean!?!?!?

dusty stirrup Sep 17, 2019, 9:34 PM

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So uh, what positives would us devs get from making an official server and having to manage it anyway

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Cause I don't see any

native summit Sep 17, 2019, 9:35 PM

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bc anyone did

tired haven Sep 17, 2019, 9:35 PM

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No one did*

native summit Sep 17, 2019, 9:35 PM

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yeah thx

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sorry dont have a good english

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im a canadian btw

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that why

dusty stirrup Sep 17, 2019, 9:35 PM

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~~as am I~~

native summit Sep 17, 2019, 9:35 PM

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--_-- ok

queen delta Sep 17, 2019, 9:36 PM

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Anyway, ima modify the suggestion to have afterimages be on all 4 lighting modes and the config option can disable/enable afterimages for all 4

hollow shell Sep 17, 2019, 9:36 PM

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The best option I can see outta this is that we, after some major update to let off some steam or something, host some big event where we open a modded Terraria server for public joining, and we all do a playthrough
and it's a one-off thing and we don't take it too seriously

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Having one that's constantly up sounds like more management trouble than it's worth

queen delta Sep 17, 2019, 9:36 PM

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^

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~~any objections to my proposed change?~~

hollow shell Sep 17, 2019, 9:37 PM

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That's a good change

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If there are reports of Retro/Trippy being worse than Color/White for some god forsaken reason

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then that's the best option

queen delta Sep 17, 2019, 9:38 PM

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Reason: redcode

lost agate Sep 17, 2019, 9:38 PM

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I thought it only lagged on better pcs fsr but if it lags in general then pain

queen sail Sep 17, 2019, 9:38 PM

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Question: which is more ass

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Summon code or mp code

hollow shell Sep 17, 2019, 9:39 PM

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Summon code in Multiplayer.

queen delta Sep 17, 2019, 9:39 PM

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Main reason I want this change is because I'm not a fan of SCal's afterimages

civic pond Sep 17, 2019, 9:39 PM

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CompleteFailure

queen delta Sep 17, 2019, 9:39 PM

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They seem way too overdone

queen sail Sep 17, 2019, 9:39 PM

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taxevasion

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I mean

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Ig that counts

native summit Sep 17, 2019, 9:39 PM

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noooo its not laging at ALL, I played SOOO much in public server henkhenk

hollow shell Sep 17, 2019, 9:39 PM

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Well that's you

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people have different computers & connections

native summit Sep 17, 2019, 9:39 PM

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I have a dell

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VERY laggy

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in general

queen delta Sep 17, 2019, 9:39 PM

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Sors has provided many good reasons to why there shouldn't be a calamity public server

hollow shell Sep 17, 2019, 9:40 PM

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Lag wasn't one of the reasons.

queen delta Sep 17, 2019, 9:40 PM

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I haven't seen you give any good reasons yet

native summit Sep 17, 2019, 9:40 PM

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and terraria server, not laggy at all, even terraria modded

queen delta Sep 17, 2019, 9:40 PM

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Besides comparing it to the vanilla counterparts

dusty stirrup Sep 17, 2019, 9:40 PM

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I'm pretty sure the general consensus about hosting an official server was that it's not a good idea, we don't have a reason to keep this conversation going now

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Unless you were to provide good reasons, that is

hollow shell Sep 17, 2019, 9:40 PM

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(beyond just, "it won't lag I swear")

queen delta Sep 17, 2019, 9:41 PM

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~~spoiler alert: modded is gonna lag more than vanilla~~

tired haven Sep 17, 2019, 9:41 PM

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And "the other servers exist"

queen delta Sep 17, 2019, 9:41 PM

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And if you don't think lag exists in vanilla servers, then explain why all my hits take over a second to register when I do pedguin minigame battles

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I see lag everywhere there

tired haven Sep 17, 2019, 9:42 PM

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Given how there are like 12 online players on average in top 10 servers, I really doubt calamity would have over 4 on the second week from launch

gusty geode Sep 17, 2019, 9:42 PM

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Could an official server perhaps be used for, if not multiplayer things like pvp, building contests, building collabs, etc
Maybe for open beta-testing?

queen delta Sep 17, 2019, 9:42 PM

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Over a second to register is like over 200 ping which is the equivalent of playing with someone on the other side of the world

dusty stirrup Sep 17, 2019, 9:43 PM

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mp for testing sounds kinda wack

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Unless you're testing if stuff works on mp

hollow shell Sep 17, 2019, 9:43 PM

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Unless we're really hammering down and trying to get rid of MP issues

tired haven Sep 17, 2019, 9:43 PM

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MP testing is only testing MP itself

hollow shell Sep 17, 2019, 9:43 PM

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yeah

teal ibex Sep 17, 2019, 9:43 PM

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terraria servers are just not fun anyway

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they're done in like, a day, tops

queen delta Sep 17, 2019, 9:43 PM

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It seems like you don't really know what you're talking about, boii

hollow shell Sep 17, 2019, 9:43 PM

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He's sayin somethin

teal ibex Sep 17, 2019, 9:43 PM

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heck, i could log on and kill scal in 6 hours if i wanted to

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it's so easy to ruin the fun LOL

hollow shell Sep 17, 2019, 9:43 PM

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~~yeah by cheating~~

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HDfailure

teal ibex Sep 17, 2019, 9:43 PM

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it's multiplayer, i get to cheat hecticOWO

queen sail Sep 17, 2019, 9:44 PM

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Gonna dare heck to beat scal on the first day HyperFailure

teal ibex Sep 17, 2019, 9:44 PM

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i get 24 hours? easy

tired haven Sep 17, 2019, 9:44 PM

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Special single player multiplayer servers so you can't dupe with item frames 5head

queen delta Sep 17, 2019, 9:44 PM

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Yeah multiplayer is broken, so therefore cheating is justified ~hectique

teal ibex Sep 17, 2019, 9:44 PM

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i never said justified hecticCool

native summit Sep 17, 2019, 9:45 PM

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ok, I just lost all my hope to see a single modded terraria server, thanks guys, thanks, i think im gonna cry, but its ok, II don't think you guys realy care about the other, so im just gonna leave this server, beacause I doN't want to be here anymore, bc YOU guys just broke my dream

hollow shell Sep 17, 2019, 9:45 PM

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Ok

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I'm sorry that you really wanted that

tired haven Sep 17, 2019, 9:45 PM

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Ok

queen sail Sep 17, 2019, 9:45 PM

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Uh

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See ya

dusty stirrup Sep 17, 2019, 9:45 PM

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Goodbya

hollow shell Sep 17, 2019, 9:45 PM

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It just isn't a realistic possibility

tired haven Sep 17, 2019, 9:45 PM

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He already left

hollow shell Sep 17, 2019, 9:45 PM

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Expected

teal ibex Sep 17, 2019, 9:45 PM

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what an absolutely wild ride

queen sail Sep 17, 2019, 9:45 PM

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Can you imagine just

tired haven Sep 17, 2019, 9:45 PM

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~~slightly a shitshow tbh~~

hollow shell Sep 17, 2019, 9:46 PM

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Anyway @sand umbra you crazy wtf making Cursed Inferno give more DR reduction than Ichor?

queen delta Sep 17, 2019, 9:46 PM

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That right there was classic choosing beggars behavior

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damage reduction reduction

queen sail Sep 17, 2019, 9:46 PM

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Yat: “You use item duping in speedruns?”

Hectique: “Hey, as long as it works.”

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 9:46 PM

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.

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why pong

fervent zealot Sep 17, 2019, 9:46 PM

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well yeah cursed inferno needs a fucking fat buff to compete with the atrocity that is ichor

livid coral Sep 17, 2019, 9:46 PM

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What just happened

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 9:46 PM

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thinkies

hollow shell Sep 17, 2019, 9:46 PM

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We need to get back on suggestion topic

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and I didn't talk about your suggestion yet even though I wanted to

livid coral Sep 17, 2019, 9:46 PM

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Okay someone explain to me elsewher eyouget back to suggesting

queen sail Sep 17, 2019, 9:46 PM

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Smth smth some guy came and said “Muh big calamity multiplayer server” @livid coral

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 9:46 PM

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oh yeah uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
SO ABOUT THESE DEBUFFS

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happyfish

teal ibex Sep 17, 2019, 9:47 PM

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for the most part it's irrelevant to me wanting to or doing it, i definitely wouldn't. i just wanted to make the particular point that literally anybody could, cuz they can and will hecticSip

tired haven Sep 17, 2019, 9:47 PM

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"You call duping items a martial art?"

Also, well, personally I would expect Cursed inferno to reduce more DR because DoT is clearly weaker than defense reduction from Ichor (on top of already bigger DR reduction)

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 9:47 PM

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the reason CI would give a higher DR cut is because Ichor also decreases defense

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which further flatly boosts damage per hit; something CI is not capable of doing

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additionally, CI's DoT would still eventually fall off, leaving its higher DR cut its advantage over just forgetting it exists and only using Ichor ever

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Ichor is fucking busted as it is right now by comparison

hollow shell Sep 17, 2019, 9:48 PM

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Hm

queen delta Sep 17, 2019, 9:48 PM

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Pissing powers unite!

teal ibex Sep 17, 2019, 9:48 PM

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i still grow weary of this suggestion in light of the support for DoT overhaul

queen sail Sep 17, 2019, 9:49 PM

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So uhhh

teal ibex Sep 17, 2019, 9:49 PM

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besides that i'm totally on board

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 9:49 PM

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DoT overhaul in general would be omega chad

queen sail Sep 17, 2019, 9:49 PM

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Actually nvm

teal ibex Sep 17, 2019, 9:49 PM

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it might just wind up conflicting, that's all

hollow shell Sep 17, 2019, 9:49 PM

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Make all DoTs deal health percentage damage instead of flat damage 😎

queen delta Sep 17, 2019, 9:49 PM

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How about just make cursed inferno DR like -10% but make DoT actually do good damage

queen sail Sep 17, 2019, 9:49 PM

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There is so few points in the game where player inflicted/enemy dot is useful

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Tbh

lost agate Sep 17, 2019, 9:49 PM

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That could work sors

civic pond Sep 17, 2019, 9:49 PM

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health percentage

tired haven Sep 17, 2019, 9:49 PM

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~~the %hp dmg would break everything~~

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But sounds fun

civic pond Sep 17, 2019, 9:49 PM

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ok honestly that sounds really great

lost agate Sep 17, 2019, 9:49 PM

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Just need to be carefully adjusted

hollow shell Sep 17, 2019, 9:50 PM

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I remember when I played SacredTools for the first time and I got inflicted with a fire debuff that actually threatened my life
and it felt great

queen delta Sep 17, 2019, 9:50 PM

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5% health per second DoT

queen sail Sep 17, 2019, 9:50 PM

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Ah yes

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Flarium

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 9:50 PM

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see, % hp would break a lot of things if not very carefully balanced

queen sail Sep 17, 2019, 9:50 PM

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Or shadowflare

lost agate Sep 17, 2019, 9:50 PM

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And stuff like yharon with 2 hp bars would be less affected

tired haven Sep 17, 2019, 9:50 PM

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And it would immediatelly get like 0.01x multiplier on bosses

hollow shell Sep 17, 2019, 9:50 PM

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Flarium I think

civic pond Sep 17, 2019, 9:50 PM

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If that happened wouldn't it just scale automatically?

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🤔

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 9:50 PM

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but I can definitely see it working for e.g. Cursed Inferno, God Slayer Inferno, Shred, Astral Infection

lost agate Sep 17, 2019, 9:50 PM

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Clone p1 would cry with % debuffs

fervent zealot Sep 17, 2019, 9:50 PM

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% hp is how DOTs need to work for them to ever compete with ichor

teal ibex Sep 17, 2019, 9:50 PM

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the big problem with % DoT is that it would scale throughout the whole game

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 9:50 PM

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which is ech

teal ibex Sep 17, 2019, 9:51 PM

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unless we just make bosses immune to it at a certain point

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and that's already like, very unfun

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 9:51 PM

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^

fervent zealot Sep 17, 2019, 9:51 PM

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the solution is limiting how long it can be applied for on every case, vanilla or not

queen delta Sep 17, 2019, 9:51 PM

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Or make DoTs scale until a certain point

civic pond Sep 17, 2019, 9:51 PM

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thats true

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 9:51 PM

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there's a reason i've spoken against the absurd amount of debuff immunities everything in late game has

teal ibex Sep 17, 2019, 9:51 PM

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that works, but would be considerably unintuitive

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 9:51 PM

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there's no reason for you to be capable of inflicting debuffs if everything you could theoretically use them on is either immune to them or dies too fast for it to matter

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HDhurdur

tired haven Sep 17, 2019, 9:52 PM

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Dryad Blessing be like NPCDryadSmug

civic pond Sep 17, 2019, 9:52 PM

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~~betsy's curse time~~

lost agate Sep 17, 2019, 9:52 PM

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DoTs on worms BrainDamage

civic pond Sep 17, 2019, 9:52 PM

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can we just remove confused

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PensiveDoGCowboy

hollow shell Sep 17, 2019, 9:52 PM

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Confused is great when enemies aren't immune to it

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It's one of the best

gusty geode Sep 17, 2019, 9:52 PM

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Main reason is so you don't rely too heavily on a certain debuff ~~ichor~~ to get you through

civic pond Sep 17, 2019, 9:52 PM

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i mean

hollow shell Sep 17, 2019, 9:52 PM

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... problem is

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 9:52 PM

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worms are an exception because balancing any debuff against a worm is a giant fuck you to testers

tired haven Sep 17, 2019, 9:52 PM

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No, because that means brain of confusion rework Henk

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 9:52 PM

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lmao

hollow shell Sep 17, 2019, 9:52 PM

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everyfuckinthing is immune to it

civic pond Sep 17, 2019, 9:52 PM

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all i see is confusion on fighter AI

tired haven Sep 17, 2019, 9:52 PM

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Bats

civic pond Sep 17, 2019, 9:52 PM

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thonk

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bats exist

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yes

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 9:53 PM

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logically speaking, worms should be more susceptible to debuffs because of multiple segments, for the same reason they're more susceptible to piercing, but also

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e.g. Abyssal Flames on every Destroyer segment is kinda

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uh

civic pond Sep 17, 2019, 9:53 PM

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uh.

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taxevasion

tired haven Sep 17, 2019, 9:53 PM

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Yeah

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 9:53 PM

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yeah.

#

TaxEvasion

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So for worms, I can get it. It's a nightmare to balance.

tired haven Sep 17, 2019, 9:54 PM

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What would that be, 2k dps?

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 9:54 PM

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well

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Abyssal Flames deals 125 HP/sec, according to wiki

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Destroyer has at least 60 segments, maybe closer to 100

#

thinkies

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result: you don't even need to fire your weapon to break the DPS guideline twice over

hollow shell Sep 17, 2019, 9:55 PM

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tired haven Sep 17, 2019, 9:55 PM

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~~the only source of that is calamitas brew at this point, and only because no one cares about current DoT progressing~~

hollow shell Sep 17, 2019, 9:55 PM

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80 body, 1 head 1 tail

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 9:55 PM

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82 segments.

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125 HP/sec per segment.

hollow shell Sep 17, 2019, 9:55 PM

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10,250 damage per second

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 9:55 PM

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y i k e s

hollow shell Sep 17, 2019, 9:55 PM

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He'd be dead in 10 seconds

signal prairie Sep 17, 2019, 9:56 PM

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damn

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 9:56 PM

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OmegaFailure

civic pond Sep 17, 2019, 9:56 PM

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fear

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 9:56 PM

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and this is why debuffs do not work against worms

lost agate Sep 17, 2019, 9:56 PM

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Oh yeah dots dont care about defense

hollow shell Sep 17, 2019, 9:56 PM

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Yeah

lost agate Sep 17, 2019, 9:56 PM

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ACTUALLY

hollow shell Sep 17, 2019, 9:56 PM

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Oh fuck

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Making DoTs account for defense and DR

civic pond Sep 17, 2019, 9:56 PM

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bruhmblebirb

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 9:56 PM

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please no

hollow shell Sep 17, 2019, 9:56 PM

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and then just make them a lot stronger

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 9:56 PM

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,

hollow shell Sep 17, 2019, 9:56 PM

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and the new accountance will balance it out

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 9:56 PM

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actually

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hm.

lost agate Sep 17, 2019, 9:56 PM

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The only moment a debuff is good, is when it stacks

tired haven Sep 17, 2019, 9:56 PM

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Take more realistic debuff
Cursed inferno
6 hp/s, 500 dps on the destroyer

lost agate Sep 17, 2019, 9:56 PM

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See: lionfish

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 9:57 PM

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that's funny

civic pond Sep 17, 2019, 9:57 PM

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Do not see: daybroken

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PensiveDoGCowboy

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 9:57 PM

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i don't recall daybreak being good

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UltimateSmug

lost agate Sep 17, 2019, 9:57 PM

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If done well*

tired haven Sep 17, 2019, 9:57 PM

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It isn't

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 9:57 PM

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Lionfish is stacking debuffs done right.

civic pond Sep 17, 2019, 9:57 PM

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daybroken hurts my bones

tired haven Sep 17, 2019, 9:57 PM

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Because half the dps comes from non-scaling stack DoT

lost agate Sep 17, 2019, 9:57 PM

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You know why lionfish was so good on sg?

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60 DoT per hit, regardless of what defense the slime god had

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Always 60

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 9:58 PM

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TaxEvasion

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I'd enjoy a more nuanced debuff system overall, to be frank.

lost agate Sep 17, 2019, 9:58 PM

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And 60 is some damn good dmg per hit

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 9:59 PM

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Potential accountance for defense and DR, maybe make some opponents take extra damage from certain debuffs?

tired haven Sep 17, 2019, 9:59 PM

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~~btw wasn't that changed which means lionfish page is now outdated~~

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 9:59 PM

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also changing debuff immunities to better reflect the boss rather than just whatever you can inflict

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(Cryo gains immunity to cold, e.g. Provi gains immunity to fire debuffs, LC gains immunity to everything he can inflict)

lost agate Sep 17, 2019, 10:00 PM

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Can we get a cold debuff post DoG so it makes sense yharon isnt immune to it so he can chill his tits? HDcompletefailure

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~~ok now i leave~~

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 10:01 PM

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why is virtually every post-ML boss immune to Exo Freeze again

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i get SCal but why everybody else

lost agate Sep 17, 2019, 10:01 PM

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Cuz screwing with ai

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 10:01 PM

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ah.

fervent zealot Sep 17, 2019, 10:01 PM

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exo freeze kinda screws bosses badly in some wack ways

civic pond Sep 17, 2019, 10:02 PM

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i didn't know exo freeze existed

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 10:02 PM

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probably because anything it does work on dies in 2 milliseconds

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OmegaFailure

queen sail Sep 17, 2019, 10:02 PM

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Remember when Exo Freeze froze dog and he slowly just sunk into the ground like a moron HDfailure

civic pond Sep 17, 2019, 10:02 PM

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👀

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 10:02 PM

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that sounds amazing

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and i wish i could've seen this shit

tired haven Sep 17, 2019, 10:02 PM

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I like enraged SoP falling into the void with you more

lost agate Sep 17, 2019, 10:02 PM

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exo freeze on yharon
Now yharon cant move
Free kill

queen sail Sep 17, 2019, 10:02 PM

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Yeah it memed his movement ai

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 10:02 PM

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okay but like exo freeze is post-yharon anyway

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lel

queen sail Sep 17, 2019, 10:03 PM

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So he went down like an idiot and despawned

civic pond Sep 17, 2019, 10:03 PM

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i like cosmic discharges gimmick in the fact that it buffs the player instead of inflicting bad debuff

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thonk

lost agate Sep 17, 2019, 10:03 PM

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Same thing really

tired haven Sep 17, 2019, 10:03 PM

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Still, having free yharon kills past first one is kinda weird

queen sail Sep 17, 2019, 10:03 PM

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I mean ehhhh

lost agate Sep 17, 2019, 10:03 PM

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Most attacks from scal get trivialized by her not moving

queen sail Sep 17, 2019, 10:03 PM

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Killing fish ex makes him a free kill afterwards tbh

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Bc spectral fishron nulls his regen

tired haven Sep 17, 2019, 10:04 PM

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~~except fish ex also gets buffed post-kill iirc~~

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 10:04 PM

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having free DoG kills past the first one is kinda weird too but that tends to happen with the absolute amalgamation of a moveset you gain post-DoG

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HDfailure

hollow shell Sep 17, 2019, 10:04 PM

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and the fact that you don't gotta do Sentinels phase again

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 10:04 PM

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also that

tired haven Sep 17, 2019, 10:04 PM

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I mean, he still can eat your ass
With staying-still yharon you get free-free kill

signal prairie Sep 17, 2019, 10:05 PM

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This is so offtopic lol

lost agate Sep 17, 2019, 10:06 PM

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Not really?

tired haven Sep 17, 2019, 10:06 PM

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Is it? Given we discuss debuff immunities for further glance on DoTs

hollow shell Sep 17, 2019, 10:06 PM

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Suggestions could result from this conversation

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because we're talkin about changes

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that may be made

signal prairie Sep 17, 2019, 10:07 PM

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fair point

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I just look to see "I mean, he still can eat your ass"

hollow shell Sep 17, 2019, 10:07 PM

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DoT overhaul would be nice but it'd also require testing beyond belief and probably won't happen as a result

signal prairie Sep 17, 2019, 10:07 PM

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And I'm like "uhhhhhh?"

hollow shell Sep 17, 2019, 10:07 PM

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complete game rebalance, maybe

tired haven Sep 17, 2019, 10:08 PM

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~~tbh I just want an early-game item that buffs DoTs and further increases their power on bosses~~

hollow shell Sep 17, 2019, 10:08 PM

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That sounds like some shit

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Sounds like pain

tired haven Sep 17, 2019, 10:09 PM

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Mayhaps

lost agate Sep 17, 2019, 10:09 PM

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DoT overhaul will probably happen when we have the same inspiration as this update to do it smugyon

tired haven Sep 17, 2019, 10:09 PM

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I don't know how additional damage DoTs are created

vocal grotto Sep 17, 2019, 10:09 PM

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Vanilla DoT ideas? Hmm...

lost agate Sep 17, 2019, 10:10 PM

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I dont think buffing dots if you have something equipped would be that hard

signal prairie Sep 17, 2019, 10:10 PM

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Vanilla DoT being good?

lost agate Sep 17, 2019, 10:10 PM

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But thats just yoyo bag all over again BrainDamage

tired haven Sep 17, 2019, 10:11 PM

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~~I didn't suggest postML dot buff via item upgrade tho~~ HyperFailure
But ye fair point
~~actually not because stuff like themed alcohols exists~~

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derpeline

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And counterscarf/hide of AD

lost agate Sep 17, 2019, 10:11 PM

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See, but the alcohols doesnt hold the entire thing's viability

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Meanwhile if you dont use yoyo bag ur doomed

tired haven Sep 17, 2019, 10:12 PM

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And even then you are not because most yoyos cap out pierce anyway

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Which is pretty curious design

lost agate Sep 17, 2019, 10:13 PM

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Double dps seems like quite the deal tho blobthonkang

tired haven Sep 17, 2019, 10:13 PM

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Curious as in "absolutely horrible but somehow didn't fall apart yet"

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Hmm? Did you test that it actually gives double dps, or just make an assumption?
Gotta be honest, I make an assumption, due to how often hardmode yoyos hit the target and how it feels phasing through the enemy due to iframes

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It's indeed more convenient on small targets and grants the double dps, but big bois suck up all the damage from a single yoyo already

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 10:15 PM

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i leave for one second to eat dinner and i come back to yoyo bag

civic pond Sep 17, 2019, 10:16 PM

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~~oh no~~

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 10:16 PM

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tl;dr for late-game Calamity throws and for many yo-yos in general it does indeed double DPS

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and most of said yo-yos literally need it to stand as a weapon

tired haven Sep 17, 2019, 10:16 PM

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Well a lot of calamity weps get local frames and it works, yeah
Didn't quite think it through while typing

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 10:17 PM

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also it works for Red's and Valk

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not the Terrarian though

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because haha projectiles

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for most yo-yos though, yes, it doubles DPS and is generally a necessity for any yo-yo related build

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trying to stay concise with this because i've delved into this topic at length too many times already and don't wanna oversaturate it thinkies

tired haven Sep 17, 2019, 10:18 PM

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Guess I'd just go down with that point about the bag
~~but still, stuff like CS/symbiote/Hide of AD also exists and I don't think adding smth like that to DoTs will be too bad given they are weak as shit anyway~~

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The only pain would be decreasing current calamity debuffs because they are already incredible compared to vanilla, otherwise some weps would start to shine too much

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calamitas brew

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 10:20 PM

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happyfish

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calamitas' brew is fucking busted

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you can get it way too early on but the point you'd normally get it

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is the point where the damage of Abyssal Flames

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has already dwindled in viability considerably.

tired haven Sep 17, 2019, 10:22 PM

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Because by that time you have GSI in hands, ye

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 10:22 PM

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mhm

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oh and guess what

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by the time you can commonly inflict GSI

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everything either dies too fast, takes no appreciable damage from it,

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or is outright immune to it

tired haven Sep 17, 2019, 10:23 PM

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Every boss past DoG is immune to it failure

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Though tbf now we have cocktail

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 10:24 PM

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GSI dealing appreciable damage on anything post-ML is a good meme

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HDfailure

tired haven Sep 17, 2019, 10:24 PM

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Just like any DoT

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 10:24 PM

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yep.

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Even at the earliest possible point (Cocktail) you can inflict GSI its damage already matters literally none.

tired haven Sep 17, 2019, 10:25 PM

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The only remarkable things I know is frostburn from arrows pre-boss, crush depth from Depth Blade, daybreak from phoenix blade, and that's it ig

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Maybe lionfish' toxic still

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 10:26 PM

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even pre-boss Frostburn is hmmmmmst

fervent zealot Sep 17, 2019, 10:26 PM

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isn't frostburn, like, as strong as cursed inferno

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 10:26 PM

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stronger, actually

fervent zealot Sep 17, 2019, 10:26 PM

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~~or, to better say, as weak as cursed inferno?~~

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oh or it's just

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haha

tired haven Sep 17, 2019, 10:26 PM

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Ye

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 10:26 PM

#

8 HP/sec compared to CI's 6 HP/sec

tired haven Sep 17, 2019, 10:26 PM

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8hp/s vs 6

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What a meme

strong prism Sep 17, 2019, 10:27 PM

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yea overall they are both really, really bad

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 10:27 PM

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CI is a joke and shit like this is why

#

OmegaFailure

strong prism Sep 17, 2019, 10:27 PM

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doesnt crush depth do acceptable damage against most things

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 10:27 PM

#

uh

#

about that.

#

Crush Depth deals less damage the more defense the target has.

karmic stone Sep 17, 2019, 10:27 PM

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Crush depth deals less damage the more you progress HyperFailure

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 10:27 PM

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While this makes it stupidly strong against low-defense targets--

#

yeah uh.

tired haven Sep 17, 2019, 10:27 PM

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Frostburn is pretty decent, from arrows that is
Any hm sources of it are outdated by progression, even though still working

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 10:27 PM

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It falls off even faster than other debuffs.

#

Frostburn Arrows pre-boss are appreciable.

karmic stone Sep 17, 2019, 10:28 PM

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I once fished SulphSea for the abyssal amulet Pre-Boss to inflict Crush Depth while fighting EoC

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It wasn't worth it at all

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 10:28 PM

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80 HP/sec DoT

#

HDfailure

#

just get the Depth Blade

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and slap EoC with it a bunch

#

it'll die in like
7 seconds

#

ish?

karmic stone Sep 17, 2019, 10:29 PM

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Statue spawned sharks dropping Depth Blade is taxevasion

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 10:29 PM

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TaxEvasion

hollow shell Sep 17, 2019, 10:29 PM

#

Somebody please suggest that get fixed

tired haven Sep 17, 2019, 10:29 PM

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Crush depth is buffed to 400 hp/s in hardmode btw

hollow shell Sep 17, 2019, 10:29 PM

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or better yet make a frickin Abyss enemy drop it

#

like Viperfish

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 10:30 PM

#

does this mean I can move Depth Blade to post-Papyrus

#

because I will gladly do so

#

OmegaFailure

hollow shell Sep 17, 2019, 10:30 PM

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What is post-Papyrus

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 10:30 PM

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skeletron

karmic stone Sep 17, 2019, 10:30 PM

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Skele

hollow shell Sep 17, 2019, 10:30 PM

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ok

karmic stone Sep 17, 2019, 10:30 PM

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smh Rover

hollow shell Sep 17, 2019, 10:31 PM

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confusing because we have a Papyrus item

#

Scarab

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 10:31 PM

#

HDfailure

tired haven Sep 17, 2019, 10:31 PM

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thinkies

karmic stone Sep 17, 2019, 10:31 PM

#

Depth Blade final upgrade is getting reworked next update right?

hollow shell Sep 17, 2019, 10:31 PM

#

Yes

sand umbra Sep 17, 2019, 10:31 PM

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...fuck it, imma go do that

#

excuse me for a moment

karmic stone Sep 17, 2019, 10:31 PM

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Excused

strong prism Sep 17, 2019, 10:32 PM

#

Honestly the abyss is just really good overall

karmic stone Sep 17, 2019, 10:32 PM

#

Wdym?

strong prism Sep 17, 2019, 10:36 PM

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i like it, it's got a nice atmosphere
it's got good gear
Well blocked
Halibut cannon
ya know, the works

signal prairie Sep 17, 2019, 10:38 PM

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Your wish has been fufilled Rover

hollow shell Sep 17, 2019, 10:46 PM

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thanks

swift bison Sep 17, 2019, 11:53 PM

#

i have never had afterimages cause lag for me it's always been being in fullscreen

#

but srs switching from fullscreen to borderless window got me from 30fps with minimum settings to 60fps with maximum settings (except waves)

queen delta Sep 18, 2019, 12:12 AM

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@polar dock Getting nerfed next update. Check #changelogs next time please

zenith hazel Sep 18, 2019, 12:12 AM

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it’s getting nerfed soon

polar dock Sep 18, 2019, 12:12 AM

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o ok

terse sundial Sep 18, 2019, 12:12 AM

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That's already being fixed

polar dock Sep 18, 2019, 12:12 AM

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srry

queen delta Sep 18, 2019, 12:12 AM

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Don't worry about it 👍

hollow shell Sep 18, 2019, 12:12 AM

#

(It's hard to search for because he didn't call it by name)
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/369115362186231809/616143272611545107

signal prairie Sep 18, 2019, 12:15 AM

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I'm absolutely blown away by how many stars thats gotten already

#

~~Is this what its like to be popular?~~

sand umbra Sep 18, 2019, 12:17 AM

#

~~I'm still baffled as to how my Burden Breaker sugg from a little while back got literally twice the star threshold.~~

#

happyfish

polar dock Sep 18, 2019, 12:18 AM

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wtf

#

how does my asphalt platform thing have 39 stars thonk

queen delta Sep 18, 2019, 12:19 AM

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How dare you get more stars than my suggestion

#

I will see to a moderator to get your post deleted ANGERYORANGE

strong prism Sep 18, 2019, 12:20 AM

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i hope that an interaction is made for flexing on bosses

#

that's all i want

queen delta Sep 18, 2019, 12:21 AM

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All bosses enrage/upgrade

#

Upgrade as in, EoC becomes twins, desert scourge becomes aquatic scourge, etc

vocal grotto Sep 18, 2019, 12:22 AM

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Nah. Just make them delete stars manually. taxevasion

signal prairie Sep 18, 2019, 12:22 AM

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b-but, yata, y u hef mak meh sad ;-;

strong prism Sep 18, 2019, 12:22 AM

#

and text from some of them... especially DoG, Calamitas, Yharim, and Xeroc

polar dock Sep 18, 2019, 12:23 AM

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oh lawd

#

it hit 40 stars

#

im famous

ashen warren Sep 18, 2019, 12:24 AM

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Just another 50 to go.

polar dock Sep 18, 2019, 12:24 AM

#

ill be happy with another 29

strong prism Sep 18, 2019, 12:25 AM

#

fair

brave grotto Sep 18, 2019, 12:49 AM

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Bruh if you install LuiAFK then you can not only unlimited asphalt platforms, but also unlimited buffs and mana as well. Highly recommend the mod of you hate grinding

hollow shell Sep 18, 2019, 1:00 AM

#

Ok

#

...?

polar dock Sep 18, 2019, 1:01 AM

#

we went over that already

hollow saffron Sep 18, 2019, 1:15 AM

#

@polar dock you can only use the unlimited platforms

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and nothing else that luiafk offers

polar dock Sep 18, 2019, 1:15 AM

#

dud

#

ik

hollow saffron Sep 18, 2019, 1:15 AM

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then do it

#

l0l

arctic notch Sep 18, 2019, 1:34 AM

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Thoughts?

hollow shell Sep 18, 2019, 1:34 AM

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"planet level"?

arctic notch Sep 18, 2019, 1:35 AM

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Light sabers can destroy planets.

zenith hazel Sep 18, 2019, 1:35 AM

#

what?

arctic notch Sep 18, 2019, 1:35 AM

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Power Scaling term.

hollow shell Sep 18, 2019, 1:36 AM

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Strange way of wording

#

Should probably change

zenith hazel Sep 18, 2019, 1:37 AM

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DoG’s already getting a rework next update

proven tide Sep 18, 2019, 1:37 AM

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a) lightsabers cannot destroy planets, that stupid shit was decanonised
b) it's planetary level
c) specific item stats
d) gay

#

getting a rework next update

hollow idol Sep 18, 2019, 1:37 AM

#

~~how many times is it now?~~

arctic notch Sep 18, 2019, 1:38 AM

#

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Luke_Skywalker_(Legends)'

#

Original trilogy.

proven tide Sep 18, 2019, 1:39 AM

#

Legends.

#

Is non-canon.

arctic notch Sep 18, 2019, 1:39 AM

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Bruh.

zenith hazel Sep 18, 2019, 1:39 AM

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do we really need a reference to be factually accurate?

arctic notch Sep 18, 2019, 1:39 AM

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It was the original books iirc.

#

No. But they should be at least decent.

proven tide Sep 18, 2019, 1:39 AM

#

which are non-canon and also no, we don't

arctic notch Sep 18, 2019, 1:44 AM

#

D20
Rogue weapon at the start of the game.
Upon use, throws a D20 that does from 1-20 damage.
Recipee: 30 wood, 15 iron bars

hollow shell Sep 18, 2019, 1:44 AM

#

That's a specific item suggestion

arctic notch Sep 18, 2019, 1:45 AM

#

Is it because of the damage?

hollow shell Sep 18, 2019, 1:45 AM

#

You gave it a name and a recipe and specified its damage

#

Its a specific weapon that you want in the game

arctic notch Sep 18, 2019, 1:46 AM

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Isn't that the point of suggesting a weapon?

zenith hazel Sep 18, 2019, 1:46 AM

#

yeah but it’s not really allowed, per se

hollow shell Sep 18, 2019, 1:46 AM

#

If you're out of the loop, 'specific item suggestions' were disallowed a little while ago

#

Too many people were making them, and the devs didn't implement any of them

arctic notch Sep 18, 2019, 1:46 AM

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So you really get no freedom suggesting items.

hollow shell Sep 18, 2019, 1:46 AM

#

Yeah.

zenith hazel Sep 18, 2019, 1:47 AM

#

as long as it’s general, you should be fine I guess

hollow shell Sep 18, 2019, 1:47 AM

#

You can suggest that a item be added somewhere or for some reason
like filling a tier which is lacking

#

but you can't come up with a cool item idea and suggest it in full

tired haven Sep 18, 2019, 1:47 AM

#

You still can say "Certain class weapon at x tier because it lacks options"

hollow shell Sep 18, 2019, 1:47 AM

#

because 1 million and 1 people did that

#

and it cluttered up the channel

tired haven Sep 18, 2019, 1:48 AM

#

Me included taxevasion

arctic notch Sep 18, 2019, 1:48 AM

#

That's what most of my suggestions were.

hollow shell Sep 18, 2019, 1:49 AM

#

Yeah

#

Same could be said for a lotta people

#

Suggestions were a big creative outlet for a while

zenith hazel Sep 18, 2019, 1:49 AM

#

if you want a specific weapon to be implemented, donate $50 to Fab I guess

hollow shell Sep 18, 2019, 1:49 AM

#

Or make your own mod

arctic notch Sep 18, 2019, 1:49 AM

#

Then got neutered.

hollow shell Sep 18, 2019, 1:50 AM

#

m.
Devs never put in any of them, so they were just a waste of space, as harsh as that is to say

proven tide Sep 18, 2019, 1:50 AM

#

even lilith's 😭

radiant pivot Sep 18, 2019, 1:51 AM

#

What was lilith's

hollow shell Sep 18, 2019, 1:51 AM

#

At least Lilith got a donor weapon

proven tide Sep 18, 2019, 1:53 AM

#

which she hasn't even used yet

arctic notch Sep 18, 2019, 1:56 AM

#

It'd be easier to learn how to make a weapon properly than to donate $50 just for one fucking weapon that'll probably suck and never be used.

tired haven Sep 18, 2019, 2:02 AM

#

Welp, it probably is
I believe the very idea of donating only because of an item is already weird, so it really shouldn't be worth these money

hollow shell Sep 18, 2019, 2:02 AM

#

You donate to support the mod. The item comes as a bonus

terse sundial Sep 18, 2019, 2:03 AM

#

^

tired haven Sep 18, 2019, 2:03 AM

#

Yep

proven tide Sep 18, 2019, 2:05 AM

#

fuck, look at august alone

#

when people are constantly begging to get their, and i quote for this super cool description, epic uwu-senpai-sama-chan OC weapon of Auric Shadow Ore Soul Fragment tier with a left-click, a right-click, a middle-click, a right face button, a C-Sharp note, and a function involving rubbing your index finger on the trackpad of your laptop in the shape of a dodecahedron items in and the devs finally get overwhelmed, suddenly the blame is put on the developers for not putting enough effort in

queen delta Sep 18, 2019, 2:08 AM

#

Cant blame the devs tho

#

They had quality standards

sand umbra Sep 18, 2019, 2:09 AM

#

~~ayyy, that's my quote~~

proven tide Sep 18, 2019, 2:09 AM

#

~~ayyyy~~

sand umbra Sep 18, 2019, 2:09 AM

#

cooldoge

proven tide Sep 18, 2019, 2:10 AM

#

then they see other people getting their items in through actually making the extra bending over backwards from the devs to give them their items worthwhile through funding their struggles, and immediately everyone's clamouring to monetarily kiss ass for a guaranteed copy of their Totally Valid item ideas, and the problem repeats except now not only do the devs feel directly obliged to tailor to every one of these personal demands, but also get given shit by the majority of said uwu-senpai-suggesters who can't meet the money threshold for being greedy and selfish and pay-to-win enablers

#

how about you and your kin take a step back, actually look at the context and the people you're demanding you be allowed to walk all over for your own power fantasy, and [REDACTED]

#

vetus is anger at the godawful state of suggestions 2: electric boogafuckyou

#

august's $1+ donators

📎 Screen_Shot_2019-09-18_at_12.15.18_PM.png

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69 of them (nice)

#

it made sense to reward those who pitched in a significant extra amount when it was just a dozen or so

📎 Screen_Shot_2019-09-18_at_12.16.33_PM.png

#

but the $50 paywall, while the masses may roll their eyes and cry "Extortion!", is fundamentally necessary for any progress to be made on the mod at all

#

over two dozen new patron items are coming from august's donors alone

#

if this kept up with the rate of investments constantly rising while the paywall remained at $20 you would see less irritable uwu-senpaiers complaining about the paywall and more veterans sighing over the stalled and stagnated development process as more of the masses decided that this version of the mod instead deserves to be called stupid for the devs selling out and progress on their specific auric shadow ore soul fragment oc weapon being so delayed there was no point to paying and the devs are just lazy assholes now

#

news flash, guess what: THEY DON'T OWE YOU ANYTHING.

#

there is zero obligation for them to even have a donator-content wall in the first place

#

when people keep thrashing around and demanding that item suggestions be brought back it offers nothing but a repeat of the aforementioned issues on two levels at once

#

respecting the decisions and processes of the developers is a thing that needs happening AAAAA

queen sail Sep 18, 2019, 2:22 AM

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Why are you getting so worked up for something that’s banned

proven tide Sep 18, 2019, 2:23 AM

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because i've seen multiple people get worked up over the fact that it is banned

ashen warren Sep 18, 2019, 2:23 AM

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There was just a convo tracer.

queen sail Sep 18, 2019, 2:23 AM

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Just tell them why omega epic oc reference weapons that trivializes xeroc’s ass to become toilet paper aren’t allowed anymore

proven tide Sep 18, 2019, 2:23 AM

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~~iirc one guy actually left the server as soon as someone said 'hey we decided no more item suggs'~~

hollow saffron Sep 18, 2019, 2:23 AM

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whats going on

proven tide Sep 18, 2019, 2:24 AM

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i'm ranting about THE UNENLIGHTENED MASSES again because there was another 'why the fuck do we have to pay now >:C' guy

smoky wagon Sep 18, 2019, 2:24 AM

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why not buff the phasesaber/phaseblade instead of making an entirely new weapon

proven tide Sep 18, 2019, 2:24 AM

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that was the original idea

ashen warren Sep 18, 2019, 2:24 AM

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Anyway, well said vetus.

queen sail Sep 18, 2019, 2:24 AM

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I mean astral phasesabers sound neat but uhhhh

hollow saffron Sep 18, 2019, 2:24 AM

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well @proven tide i feel like your rant could work better in #general-talk

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imo

queen sail Sep 18, 2019, 2:24 AM

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AD and fragment weps exist at that point

proven tide Sep 18, 2019, 2:24 AM

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that's fair

strong prism Sep 18, 2019, 2:25 AM

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I fully understand why, i'm stingy... okay astral phasesabres DO sound pretty neat

queen sail Sep 18, 2019, 2:25 AM

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No need for 7-8 kinds of the same sword

strong prism Sep 18, 2019, 2:25 AM

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XD

ashen warren Sep 18, 2019, 2:25 AM

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There would be little need unless they actually did something.

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We already have an insane sword that's astral.

strong prism Sep 18, 2019, 2:25 AM

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true

proven tide Sep 18, 2019, 2:25 AM

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but there's not that much crossover between the two userbases and a lot more modmins likely to disagree with my personal approach to angre in #general-talk

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so i'm gonna just stay where i'm comfy uwu

strong prism Sep 18, 2019, 2:25 AM

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there are lots of cool weaponss

lost agate Sep 18, 2019, 2:26 AM

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daryl

proven tide Sep 18, 2019, 2:26 AM

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hewwo ywy

ashen warren Sep 18, 2019, 2:26 AM

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Hi shucks TaxEvasion

lost agate Sep 18, 2019, 2:26 AM

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what does this have to do with suggestions

queen sail Sep 18, 2019, 2:26 AM

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Aw, shucks

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Here we go again

strong prism Sep 18, 2019, 2:26 AM

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the whole meteor set is an early game thing, pre skeletron even

queen sail Sep 18, 2019, 2:26 AM

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HDfailure

ashen warren Sep 18, 2019, 2:26 AM

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Quite a lot actually.

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It's about the channel as a whole and a previous conversation started by a suggestion.

lost agate Sep 18, 2019, 2:27 AM

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hm

proven tide Sep 18, 2019, 2:28 AM

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the item suggestion ban was absolutely necessary but the same kind of people who caused the item plague whiplashed into regular outcries and demands that there be some loophole in or outright removal of the ban because they're salty that the developers seek actual compensation for the input (input that, in return would have guaranteed implementation, mind)

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let's take the example that started the rant

hollow saffron Sep 18, 2019, 2:29 AM

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so basically people are 'bribing' the devs

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that's what you're saying

lost agate Sep 18, 2019, 2:29 AM

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well let me make this clear

hollow saffron Sep 18, 2019, 2:30 AM

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thetis has been typing for 2 minutes

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sweating

proven tide Sep 18, 2019, 2:31 AM

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when a mod types for more than a minute it immediately activates every user's fight-or-flight responses

hollow saffron Sep 18, 2019, 2:33 AM

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4 minutes

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ono

lost agate Sep 18, 2019, 2:33 AM

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items are an extra, we could have just made it a donator patreon with nothing else to it, but devs decided it would be ok to give items as compensation for donating a whooping 20 dollars
it got bumped up to 50 because the amount of items we were getting just was too much too keep at bay
it really starting to bug me that people are saying "har just pay 50 buck and get your item" ITS NOT about the damn item, and if patreon items became a bussiness then fuck me
can you please shut up xultronix

hollow saffron Sep 18, 2019, 2:33 AM

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:(

proven tide Sep 18, 2019, 2:34 AM

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oh yay shucks is agreeing rather than assaulting sweating

hollow saffron Sep 18, 2019, 2:34 AM

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ANYWAY about the DoG portal suggestion

lost agate Sep 18, 2019, 2:34 AM

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Now can we just end this topic for once

hollow saffron Sep 18, 2019, 2:34 AM

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I think that's a good idea

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Except that you wouldn't be able to damage him

queen sail Sep 18, 2019, 2:35 AM

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Hasn’t dog portal been suggested already

hollow saffron Sep 18, 2019, 2:35 AM

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Idk

queen sail Sep 18, 2019, 2:35 AM

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And denied due to probably being ass to code

hollow saffron Sep 18, 2019, 2:35 AM

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oof

lost agate Sep 18, 2019, 2:36 AM

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if worms exisiting are buggy on mp imagine worms teleporting

hollow saffron Sep 18, 2019, 2:36 AM

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Yeah now that I think about it, terraria isn't the GD editor

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You can't just "change the z layer" and add "toggle triggers" to make it smooth

proven tide Sep 18, 2019, 2:36 AM

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teleporting

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you see this is the genius

placid moth Sep 18, 2019, 2:36 AM

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Wasn't the idea just a visual change ?

lost agate Sep 18, 2019, 2:36 AM

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yeah but imagine this

proven tide Sep 18, 2019, 2:36 AM

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ya have a spooky particle effect run down his body and when each segment is covered it turns invis

hollow saffron Sep 18, 2019, 2:36 AM

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At the same time, it WOULD be visually attractive, and also show DoG's pocket universe hop ability

proven tide Sep 18, 2019, 2:36 AM

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that's it

hollow saffron Sep 18, 2019, 2:37 AM

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^

placid moth Sep 18, 2019, 2:37 AM

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I could really imagine it to be a recolour of the OOA portals tbh

hollow saffron Sep 18, 2019, 2:37 AM

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I also feel like the same effect should show when he spawns

proven tide Sep 18, 2019, 2:37 AM

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like the old one where he materialised out of the pink dust (iirc that's no longer a feature)

hollow saffron Sep 18, 2019, 2:37 AM

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Same simon

lost agate Sep 18, 2019, 2:38 AM

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120 or so body pieces, all slowly but surely becoming invisible, one by one, in a synced way, in a tidy order, making sure doggo moves how you want
And lets not mention removing contact dmg

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all of that in the span of what it takes for laser walls to start

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you see the deal here?

proven tide Sep 18, 2019, 2:38 AM

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not slowly

hollow saffron Sep 18, 2019, 2:38 AM

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quickly lul

proven tide Sep 18, 2019, 2:39 AM

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immediate yA YEET over his body

lost agate Sep 18, 2019, 2:39 AM

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you get the point

hollow saffron Sep 18, 2019, 2:39 AM

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make him like speed up