suggestions-discussion

[signal prairie]

that second one is false unless its locked behind a later boss, ive checked

[tired haven]

If you need these items for stuff like enchantments from fargos, it is better off using imksushi

Also let me check wiki ig

Yeah, it was false, probably confused that with the band of starpower

[signal prairie]

Band of Starpower is just nonexistant in orb drops

[tired haven]

I think this suggestion would sound much nicer if you reduce the list of items to these 3

Also well yes

[signal prairie]

@tired haven better?

[tired haven]

Ye

[signal prairie]

the shoe spike reason is to true tbh

[placid moth]

@signal prairie Btw, vanilla accessories like Shoe Spikes, Climbing Claws can be bought from Tinkerer (AlchNPC)

What's more frustrating for me to find is actually the Shells and Carapaces needed for the Absorber, which can easily be zerg'd because it's also quite tedious since there are so many different materials to zerg for.

[odd terrace]

@signal prairie Even if it is post-Yharon, it’s useful for farming him

[signal prairie]

@placid moth I was meaning in calamity and no, they cant be bought from the goblin by alchNPC

[placid moth]

Tinkerer. Not Goblin Tinkerer.

I understand the confusion.

[signal prairie]

Honestly, Kill Yharon twice and thats all the soul fragments youll ever need

The tinkerer does do that but thats a random chance from my experience with it

[placid moth]

Uh yeah, you have to use the tubes to unlock blueprints.

[signal prairie]

even when using the tubes, he doesn't sell them permanently in my experience

[placid moth]

What do you mean. they don't sell them permanently

[signal prairie]

And who uses AlchNPC for more than just potions

[placid moth]

I actually use it for Summoner Gear and more

[signal prairie]

The main use is potions though. It says that in the name of the mod

Anyways, I must prepare for Hive Mind

[gusty geode]

Isn't the Murasama bottomless dynamite pre-Yharon
Or is that Yharim's Crystal

[queen sail]

YC

[frail mantle]

that's Yhermes' Christal, yes

[queen sail]

Murasama doesn’t work until yharon

YC doesn’t either but it punishes the player for cheating it in

[hollow shell]

Murasama just drops a lil Wand of Sparking spark

[queen sail]

Though tbf YC is still useful prehm if you cheat it in

Makes mining easier

But it’s cheaty

[gusty geode]

Also
Regarding hard-to-find important items
Need I remind you of fishing
It's boring
But it exists specifically for getting items you didn't get in chests
but don't be silly, fishing doesn't exist

[queen sail]

Angler Quest cooldown

[gusty geode]

I don't see why fishing isn't used more often
Unless I've got my facts wrong it'd actually be less work, both in development and in gameplay, for something to be fishable rather than craftable
No need for the devs to come up with a balanced recipe, and no need for players to get said recipe together
Just get some bait and a half-decent rod and find a pond
Keep clicking until it shows up

[sand umbra]

Fishing is a sorely underdeveloped mechanic.

[queen sail]

Because it’s so unnecessarily boring

There are mods that add antigrind for angler drops specifically because of the shitty quest cooldown

[hollow shell]

Somebody develop a mod which does a fishing minigame
where you gotta keep a pointer in a section of meter that keeps moving around
like many fishing games in the past have done

[gusty geode]

Crates have no cooldown

[queen sail]

Literally no one wants to wait days for rng to hopefully praise them and give them 1 out of three accessories needed for one of the most useful tools in the game

Because you’ll either get something like fin wings or the fish grappling hook

Or coral blocks

Because everyone uses those

[gusty geode]

So
Make them droppable from crates

[queen sail]

Probably because crates are rng too

And are uncommon drops from fishing

[sand umbra]

Somebody develop a mod which does a fishing minigame
where you gotta keep a pointer in a section of meter that keeps moving around
like many fishing games in the past have done

.

how have I not thought of this.

I like this.

[queen sail]

Doesn’t everyone use crates to skip breaking altars, anyways

[gusty geode]

So you'll have an excess of them available anyway

[slate crown]

stardew valley fishing minigame thomass

[civic pond]

make fishing more interesting

o

[odd terrace]

What about fisheries that only yield fish whose eggs you “plant” in them

Like planter boxes, but for fish(ing)

[hollow shell]

Make fishing even more idle :P

[odd terrace]

But consistent

[hollow shell]

Not a terrible idea

[signal prairie]

Autofishing when

[civic pond]

so essentially you can do other stuff while fishing

[hollow shell]

You don't have to stop what you're doing to waste your time
Your time can be wasted while you're doing other things

yeah

[odd terrace]

just make a LMB macro

The harvesting would only take a minute or so for a good bunch of ingredients

Hell, you could make fish in fisheries take less time to catch

[hollow saffron]

checks when

[frail mantle]

sometime

remember, it's a manual process

[hollow saffron]

it should be automatic

[opal barn]

never

[frail mantle]

have Patience™©

[hollow saffron]

trademark copyright

[civic pond]

All the mods are bots anyways iirc

[frail mantle]

it'll be a manual process until someone makes an automatic bot

[terse sundial]

I'll send them when I get home

40 ish mins

[queen delta]

Mods arent automatic bots?

Wtf

[void kelp]

wtf merk how else are we supposed to keep the wiki up to date

@opal barn double ping for mean suggestion + slur

[distant gyro]

that is gone

plus he left

[void kelp]

oh, it was just deleted ;

[mighty mica]

I guess we ban

[tired haven]

Dang, I wanted to screenshot that

[opal barn]

ye

[ruby cobalt]

you ban

[void kelp]

ban him !

[tired haven]

[ruby cobalt]

same tbh, it was godly

[void kelp]

just send it in the chat

[lost agate]

(we can see the message anyway hahuo)

[sand umbra]

yeah yeah

[lost agate]

He has failed

[void kelp]

@pliant cargo would that count as a bug?

[sand umbra]

you staffers and your audit log access.

[pliant cargo]

i unno

[ruby cobalt]

audit log doesn't show you the message btw

[pliant cargo]

but every playthrough i'm always excited to get supersonic arrows with the quiver

[sand umbra]

wut

[pliant cargo]

then i try it out and remember it doesn't do jack shit to calamity arrows

[opal barn]

it only shows that someone deleted a message

[ruby cobalt]

and ye, calamity arrows not working with the quiver is a bug imo

[sand umbra]

o.

i don't know how audit logs work

[ruby cobalt]

yes tom, audit log does not show you the actual message, it shows you the act of it being deleted

which is pretty fucking dumb, but it be how it be

[sand umbra]

.

das dum

[opal barn]

we can see the deleted messages anyway though because we are gamers

[ruby cobalt]

Amber is very gamer

[sand umbra]

[hollow saffron]

i thought the magic quiver did increase the velocity of calamity arrows

last time i checked it works on icicle/napalm arrows

[queen delta]

dm me the deets

[hollow saffron]

deets?

[queen delta]

deets.

[pliant cargo]

last i checked, it did not

did the recent patch change this?

even then i'm sure i tried it out with the most recent patch

[void kelp]

I think it would be good to test it out then report it if it’s indeed the case!

[hollow saffron]

@pliant cargo wdym

[pliant cargo]

?

[hollow saffron]

what is your second suggestion supposed to mean

[pliant cargo]

right click zooming

like the vanilla sniper rifle

[hollow saffron]

then say so

also,
svantechnical
conclave crossfire
disseminator

[hollow shell]

Wait, they don't?

[hollow saffron]

they do

iirc

[hollow shell]

I thought that was added a longwhile ago

[pliant cargo]

i did

that's what rifle scope means
the accessory

also why would any of those be considered snipers

[hollow shell]

Shroomer, Spectre Rifle, and Anti-materiel Rifle have zoom

(according to the wiki)

[pliant cargo]

wait really?

huh, let me test that out

[hollow shell]

Please do

[hollow saffron]

hi check the wiki before you post a suggestion smh

[hollow shell]

I'm actually not sure which line of code in the source causes the zoom so I don't know if I can confirm from here

[pliant cargo]

oh yeah, they do

neat

[hollow shell]

Nice

[pliant cargo]

trying out the magic quiver thing in detail, so far icicle arrows and vanquisher arrows don't gain any benefit

terra and bloodfire arrows do

[void kelp]

#bugs-read-pins might be more relevant for that tbh

[pliant cargo]

okay it seems like only icicle and vanquisher arrows are fucked

actually

in terms of ammo arrows

[queen delta]

isnt it all guns that are supposed to be affected?

not just snipers

[void kelp]

@brave grotto hey I think you should read the pins

[brave grotto]

Oof I just joined

[hollow shell]

Don't worry, a rogue expansion update is coming soon

New rogue stuff across the board

[brave grotto]

What about Yharim content? I REALLY want to see post-Supreme Calamitas content

[civic pond]

that will come too..

..eventually.

[brave grotto]

Yay

[hollow shell]

Yeah that's definitely coming

[hollow saffron]

Bruh

[hollow shell]

It's just a long ways away

[civic pond]

draedon is first

[hollow shell]

Yes he is.

[civic pond]

after rogue expansion

[radiant meadow]

@hollow shell there is a list in CalamityMod.cs with stuff that gets rifle scope. Idk what pulls that list. Probably a global item file.

[hollow shell]

Ah, thank you

Svantechnical is in that list

Odd.

[pliant cargo]

wait is it because i gave it a scope while spriting it

it's not even like a full sized sniper scope

but, neat

[hollow shell]

Perhaps

[west prairie]

hey does the specific suggestions thing apply to enemies

[opal barn]

nope

[frail mantle]

only items

[opal barn]

specific item suggestions

[west prairie]

good

[dusty stirrup]

Ah shit, here we go again

[civic pond]

im down

[frail mantle]

didn't Calamity add a Profaned Serpent that was removed

[dusty stirrup]

Yeah

[civic pond]

it died

[opal barn]

in the ancient times

[frail mantle]

cause iirc re-adding removed content is in the don'ts

[west prairie]

back when everything was incredibly buggy

and fabsol hadnt practiced coding worms 300 times

didnt it have some weird thing with the head needing to be upright too

[ashen warren]

can't say i didn't tell you about that,

[west prairie]

tf, that was not a mod telling me it was a dont

that was rando user #69

[ashen warren]

bruh

good job being nice to people

[west prairie]

i dare say bestowing the title of user 69 is an honor

anyways. serpent talk

[hollow saffron]

when don'ts are in the pins

[opal barn]

right, just suggest it and let it die in the dev server

[hollow saffron]

LOL

[west prairie]

this is an entirely different deal anyways

[ashen warren]

thats kinda what happened to my anti pharoah technique

[hollow saffron]

how is it entirely different

[west prairie]

just because it uses worm ai doesnt mean its the same thing

[hollow saffron]

...

things that use a worm ai are worms

[dusty stirrup]

I'd rather not have a profaned worm enemy anyway

It's kinda uninspired

[hollow saffron]

oh snap thanks for the idea

astral worm

[west prairie]

otherwise youd have to defend the idea that 7 bosses in the mod are actually the same thing

which is dumb

[hollow saffron]

before i post it in suggs anyone have objections

[frail mantle]

Astral Worm=Deus

[ashen warren]

still worms

[sand umbra]

we don't need more worms

[hollow saffron]

lol

[ashen warren]

and yeah

[hollow saffron]

ok

[sand umbra]

or at least

[civic pond]

yeah we do actually

[sand umbra]

we don't need more worms without reason

[hollow saffron]

i have a better idea: astral bats

[dusty stirrup]

idk why you want that profaned worm enemy in so badly that you'd do another suggestion about it for the 3rd time

[fervent zealot]

we don't need the profaned serpent but not really guys!!!

[west prairie]

worm bosses? we have enough of those. worm enemies? i think we just have the one

[hollow saffron]

bcause astralification!

[ashen warren]

what about

[hollow shell]

You posted this enemy in early 2019

[ashen warren]

bats that line up in a worm shape

[dusty stirrup]

We have atleast 4 worm enemies

[hollow shell]

It won't even get bluechecked because it's your own suggestion

[west prairie]

back when stuff was regularly drowned out, yes

[hollow shell]

You cannot post it

[hollow saffron]

Oof

[queen delta]

how about i suggest it so it can get blue checked and thus, die in the dev server

[sinful violet]

rasp thats genius

[ashen warren]

thanks

oh no

[sinful violet]

brb nerds

[ashen warren]

mrrp is gonna add batworm

[west prairie]

oh yeah we do have the four, actually, i forgot the abyss ones

[dusty stirrup]

batworms epic

[hollow saffron]

what are batworms

[sinful violet]

ehhhh, four, one

[hollow saffron]

and we dont need abyss worms wtf

eidolon wyrms are enough

and gulper eels

[ashen warren]

i got news

[dusty stirrup]

Imagine forgetting oarfishes

[west prairie]

no i was responding to "we have the four"

[ashen warren]

bat worms are a new religion, perhaps

[civic pond]

oarfish

ew

[sinful violet]

Post it blackhand, and we'll see what makes it unique

Then critique it.

[hollow saffron]

ah yes

critiquing mode on

[ashen warren]

brb making bat worms

post it here tbh

[dusty stirrup]

Yeah post it here, not in sugmas

[ashen warren]

I'd want more Hallowed content

Because Profaned is ech

[hollow saffron]

suggest it lol

[west prairie]

Ok, so the basic idea is he's five segments long not including the head and tail, and he acts similarly to the destroyer in the sense that dealing enough damage to one segment does something. the segments shoot holy projectiles until you damage them enough, when they burst into a bunch of flames and afterwards stop firing.

[sand umbra]

/sits in the corner

[hollow saffron]

@west prairie can you not

i thought we were over this?

[ashen warren]

dude

he can post here

[dusty stirrup]

So is that like splitting worms in a sense

[west prairie]

xul mrrp literally SAID

[dusty stirrup]

Fabsol will hate this

[civic pond]

splitting worms

fear

[ashen warren]

eow did it right go away

[hollow saffron]

ohk

[west prairie]

it doesnt even split, it just sorta deactivates

[ashen warren]

So it sits there?

[hollow saffron]

well i think we dont need mroe worms tbh

[ashen warren]

Or is it just mini destroyer

[hollow saffron]

it doesnt sound like it would be really revolutionary

imo

[west prairie]

the concept is similar to destroyer yes, its not meant to be revolutionary as much as it is meant to provide variety without being "uber cool epic enemy suggestion that will take weeks to code"

[hollow shell]

It's fine in terms of originality

[hollow saffron]

"epic"

[ashen warren]

Maybe if it worked like dogs flame breath

[hollow shell]

None of the current profaned enemies are really super original either, with exception to Profaned Energy

[ashen warren]

but stuff coming from the main segments isn't really unique anymore

[hollow saffron]

also where exactly would it spawn? hallow?

woems spawn underground

[ashen warren]

Hallow/hell

Dude

[hollow shell]

This is between Energy and Immolator in terms of unique function

and that's fine

[dusty stirrup]

Do we really need another worm tho

[west prairie]

its just meant to be something else to fight, maybe to allow for hell and the hallow to have slightly different enemy types

[hollow saffron]

what phupper said

[hollow shell]

I've got a better idea

[hollow saffron]

then suggest adding uniquely hallow/hell profaned enemies

[ashen warren]

I do wish that there were more profaned enemies

[hollow shell]

Suggest that more profaned enemies be added

instead of specifically this worm

[west prairie]

immolators get kinda fucked in hell with the structures getting in their way, so they'd go to the hallow, whereas this worm would be a hell denizen

[dusty stirrup]

profaned biome haha

[sand umbra]

no

[ashen warren]

plague biome now

[dusty stirrup]

wdym no

[west prairie]

phupper do not associate my decent idea with that bad one

[ashen warren]

yes

[sand umbra]

i mean no

[ashen warren]

i want

[dusty stirrup]

[sand umbra]

we are not adding fifty mini-biomes for every boss kill in clam

[civic pond]

profaned technically has 2 biomes at its disposal

[dusty stirrup]

So you say no to a post-ml biome?

[sand umbra]

yes

yes i do.

[dusty stirrup]

Yikes

[ashen warren]

But seriously, profaned is good as hollow/hell

[hollow saffron]

cosmilite biome

[west prairie]

i say yes to making hallow and hell a bit different but not radically so

[sand umbra]

because the Astral Infection can already be buffed to one

[hollow saffron]

auric biom e

see where this could go?

[ashen warren]

mainly because, lore wise, the profaned biome is the sun

[west prairie]

a worm suits hell pretty damn well, if youll pardon the pun

[queen delta]

plague mini biome

[sand umbra]

plague

mini-biome.

[ashen warren]

no

[sand umbra]

ech

[hollow saffron]

i feel like that would mean provi would be already yeeting the world

[west prairie]

so yeah the worm brings something to the table in terms of enemy variety

[dusty stirrup]

but how about a not worm enemy that's unique

[civic pond]

more worms myes

another figher AI enemy

[west prairie]

^

[dusty stirrup]

fear

[civic pond]

[sand umbra]

fighter AI

[hollow saffron]

profaned believer

[sand umbra]

[west prairie]

this is the face of fear. imagine dealing with this fucker in the crags

[civic pond]

no

[hollow saffron]

do provi's worshippers have to only be guardians

[ashen warren]

ok i made a bat worm suggest

[civic pond]

back to sugmas

[hollow shell]

Clinger ai, right?

[hollow saffron]

bruh thats not scary

[civic pond]

actually

[hollow saffron]

thats like a brimstone claw

[civic pond]

I'd like more clingers

[hollow saffron]

brimstone crab

brimstone crab

[west prairie]

yep, shoots brimmy fireballs too

[hollow saffron]

what are clingers

[civic pond]

i think that'd be unique ish

[west prairie]

the accelerating ones

[civic pond]

we dont have many of those

[hollow saffron]

i would like to see an enemy that tries to stick to you

and deal continuous damage

like some sort of leech

[west prairie]

cataclynger was a good name but not my idea

btw

[hollow shell]

Clingers are in the underground corruption, Xult

[ashen warren]

and?

[civic pond]

bobbit worms too

[hollow saffron]

bobbit worms oh no

[civic pond]

but.. thats all i know

[hollow shell]

Head attached to a block with a tether, shoots projectiles

[queen delta]

Brightspec Bar

( Opposite the Shadowspec Bar )

Some Shadowspec Bar items seem to be a bit strange because combining this bar forms some sacred item, so it would be nice to create a sacred bar for creating that type of item ...

Crafting Recipe :
? Equal Shadowspec Bar ?

Crafting Example :
1 - The Dance of Light
2 - Triactis' True Paladinian Mage-Hammer of Might
3 - Fabstaff
remember this?

[hollow shell]

uh ohhhhh

[civic pond]

wtf is that

🤢

[hollow saffron]

also when bobbit worms grab onto you do they drag you in?

[hollow shell]

Why'd you bring that up

[hollow saffron]

yat why

[civic pond]

i'll post SDOMG at this rate

[dusty stirrup]

bruh

[west prairie]

yat why have you cursed this chat so

[hollow shell]

honestly I fail to see the reason

[sand umbra]

get this cursed shit off my dash

[ashen warren]

that is on the same tier as copallt

cobalt palladium

don't question who made that

dude

[hollow saffron]

ye

[west prairie]

that reminds me i need an animator for my miniboss ideas

[hollow saffron]

what is that

[hollow shell]

@queen delta Try not to bring up dumb shit from the past just to laugh at it, please

[livid coral]

You know what's great? You posted that right in my face as I moved over here to check messages

[hollow saffron]

@west prairie what is that\

lilac who

[livid coral]

Do not post random memey gifs in here

[west prairie]

god fetus with a mouth-placenta

[hollow saffron]

ok sorry

[queen delta]

Apologies

[ashen warren]

it's a good idea

[livid coral]

And yeah let's not bring up old dumb shit too

[west prairie]

lilac literally did the gif with the pizza guy walking into a burning room

[ashen warren]

but I think calamity should improve itself before it improves vanilla

[west prairie]

stupid shit the INSTANT she entered

[ashen warren]

lilac is pink

and you aren't

[livid coral]

I have that gif on hand I'm gonna post it in general talk because it's always appropriate for me and you hellspawns 😛

[hollow saffron]

lol

Also, make the Bobbit Worm actually drag the player into their mouth when hit by it, but nerf its damage/health a bit

Reason: It makes literally zero sense for the worm to just damage the player in an almost sneak attack fashion, solely for the purpose of damaging it.

[civic pond]

that goes for a lot of enemies

??

[hollow shell]

It sounds like it'd be annoying but also terrifying if you don't know what you're gettin into

[civic pond]

terrifying indeed

[ashen warren]

yeah

[zenith hazel]

don’t normal worms like to sneak attack you a lot?

[ashen warren]

best thing is you can't use the RoD to escape

[hollow saffron]

nah you should be able to

timer

[hollow shell]

Their spawn rates and rate of attack would have to be reduced to accommodate so you're not chainfucked

[ashen warren]

in the abyss

dude

[hollow saffron]

oh

oof

yeah sors

and maybe damage too

[sand umbra]

make the Bobbit Worm actually drag the player into their mouth when hit by it

I'm sorry,

[dusty stirrup]

I'm pretty sure there can only be one bobbit worm at once anyway

[sand umbra]

I can't hear you while I'm getting

[west prairie]

if it drags you in you cannot rod out

[sand umbra]

EATEN BY THIS COLOSSAL SQUID.

[hollow saffron]

just kill it lol

[arctic notch]

Wtf is a bobbit worm?

[hollow saffron]

look it up

[hollow shell]

Abyss enemy

[hollow saffron]

abyss enemy

[hollow saffron]

^

[arctic notch]

Thanks.

[hollow shell]

Also huh you right, only one Bobbit Worm can be alive at a time

Didn't know that

[dusty stirrup]

Also, originally we wanted to make it grab the player but we dropped that because it'd lead to much fuckery iirc

[hollow saffron]

updated the reason:
"Reason: It makes literally zero sense for the worm to just damage the player in an almost sneak attack fashion, solely for the purpose of damaging it. This would be extremely lethal given its damage and debuffs, so maybe compensate by nerfing its damage/health a bit since you can't RoD out."

[livid coral]

Oh wait it won't grab and drag you anymore?

[dusty stirrup]

It never did

[livid coral]

Shit

[dusty stirrup]

Only in its concept state

[livid coral]

I remember its concept stage having that

I'm guessing it was too difficult to program

[hollow saffron]

wall of flesh tongue

[dusty stirrup]

Maybe someone could pull it off now

[hollow shell]

Yeah it'd probably re-use/copy The Tongue's code

[hollow saffron]

ok so should I suggest it

[dusty stirrup]

Sure

[hollow shell]

Sure

[livid coral]

Why not

[hollow saffron]

Ok

[hollow shell]

grr "Also,"

[hollow saffron]

lol

[zenith hazel]

imo the attack should be at least somewhat foreseeable

[ashen warren]

ay what happened to the anti-pharaoh's curse suggestion?

[hollow shell]

It'd be good to mention in the reason that it'd mimic the behavior of real bobbit worms

[sand umbra]

grrrr chain suggs even though the two suggs have nothing to do with each other grrrr

[hollow shell]

ok cool thanks

[hollow saffron]

done sors

np

[dusty stirrup]

I'd say have it make a sound when it launches itself at you

[hollow shell]

More indication, yeah

probably a clamp sound as well

[dusty stirrup]

aye

[hollow saffron]

ah yes

[sand umbra]

chomp

chomp sound.

[hollow shell]

But, that's for if this suggestion passes

[ashen warren]

nom

[hollow saffron]

i feel like a chomp sound would only be for if you get killed by it

<Player> was eaten.

[arctic notch]

The Mushroom Consume sound when it has you.

[zenith hazel]

yeah I’d not wanna get trapped out of nowhere only for a reaper shark to steal the kill without indication

[hollow saffron]

lOl

[sand umbra]

okay but why doesn't DoG do that

[hollow saffron]

ive wondered that too thomas

[zenith hazel]

seems kinda unfair

[hollow saffron]

i know

but he literally eats gods

[arctic notch]

DoG is already cancerous as he is.

[sand umbra]

i mean even discounting the fact that half the bosses in this mod want to gulp you down for breakfast

[hollow saffron]

arent like half the bosses worms

[sand umbra]

DoG is literally called the Devourer of Gods

and yet he can't eat some chump with a weird-ass megaphone from the depths of aquatic hell

[zenith hazel]

yeah, but this is the abyss, where your vision is yes

[sand umbra]

[zenith hazel]

at least you can see/predict where the other worms are in real time

[hollow saffron]

yeah i feel like a lunging sound would be good

[sand umbra]

Kinda like that produced by Reaper Sharks at lower health.

[arctic notch]

New Suggestion: Make Dog in Deathmode do the Mushroom Consume Sound when you die from his head.

[hollow saffron]

mushroom consume sound?

[sand umbra]

the eat sound

[hollow saffron]

[queen sail]

Chadvorerer of Memes

[hollow saffron]

why am i so childish tf

lol

[dusty stirrup]

Yeah that was pretty unnecessary

[sinful violet]

Not only unfunny

But also stale

[ashen warren]

humor bashing aside, should I ask for more hallow content?

[hollow saffron]

feel free

[viscid tiger]

What is the hobbit worm?

With a b

[hollow shell]

Abyss enemy.

[hollow saffron]

hobbit worm

this should become a thing

[hollow shell]

ok

[sand umbra]

Another Yoyo Bag upgrade sugg.

[remote summit]

theres already an upgrade to the yoyo bag?

[civic pond]

here we go again

:bruh:

[remote summit]

lmao

[civic pond]

perhaps this should be blue checked

[hollow shell]

Lemme check

[hollow saffron]

havent we done this before

[remote summit]

probably

[sand umbra]

Many a time.

[civic pond]

i mean its really common

[hollow shell]

Problem is all the yoyo bag upgrade suggestions were specific

[sand umbra]

You sure about that?

The Yoyo Bag upgrade sugg not even a month before this one seems pretty non-specific.

[hollow shell]

That one specifies that it's for increased string length

so that yoyos can be used against SCal

[remote summit]

yeah basically

[west prairie]

to be fair that's absolutely something it would logically have to have

[remote summit]

exactly!

[sand umbra]

-3-

[west prairie]

not "gun will require some sort of projectile" levels of necessity but close

[hollow shell]

I thought the Oracle was adjusted so that it could be used against her?

[sand umbra]

it's like

deadass exactly why the Oracle range buff happened.

[remote summit]

didnt try it yet

[empty geyser]

Lol cryogen earrapes you and it ignores your eardrums' i-frames

[hollow saffron]

@ashen warren chaining suggestions

smh

and not just that but youre limiting where you can summon provi

[queen delta]

Profaned enemies already spawn in hallow tho

[hollow saffron]

^

[ashen warren]

Oh

Nvm

I’ll delete my suggestion

[proven tide]

what

[signal prairie]

Iirc the evil island spawns over a floating island

[fierce hedge]

@hollow saffron Suggestions are fine but you posted your 2nd suggestion like 7 minutes later

Read the pins. You have to calm down xd

[hollow saffron]

@fierce hedge I did see the pin about not making too many suggestions

That's why I try to make a max of 2 a day

[fierce hedge]

Alrighty

[void kelp]

@brave grotto add a reason ?

[frail mantle]

also maybe specify how it should be nerfed

[sinful violet]

@brave grotto Please specify more properly in your suggestion

I'm going to delete one and have you edit the first.

[ashen warren]

the only thing better than a specific item suggestion is a two line "nerf X it kills me too much" suggestion

[void kelp]

nerf scal she’s too hard on normal mode

[fierce hedge]

Iguess he can't read discussion

[sinful violet]

I'll give him a bit then delete the first one too.

[balmy coyote]

"Maybe the damage can be nerfed by 25 to 50 damage"

[dusty stirrup]

@brave grotto bruh just edit your first message

[brave grotto]

How do I add a paragraph?

[sinful violet]

return + shift

[fierce hedge]

He just posted a second text

I don't think he knows how Discord works

[hollow saffron]

omg just dodge

like

[fierce hedge]

^

Its easily dodgeable

[strong prism]

am I forgetting anything in my suggestion?

[civic pond]

🤔

[civic rampart]

yes, any other reason than being thematically cool?

[sand umbra]

I mean if we're being frank post-ML shit has a tendency to kill you way too fast anyway--

[hollow saffron]

why not make ataxia available post-pbg

so you actually have to use reaver armor

[civic pond]

isn't ataxia like

the counterpart of beetle armor

[fierce hedge]

Reaver is

[sand umbra]

Why would you make Ataxia post-PBG tho.

[fierce hedge]

A meme

Exept for Rogue

[sand umbra]

Just make a unique armor set 43head--

[fierce hedge]

@sand umbra do it

[hollow saffron]

@sand umbra bc I loterally don't use reaver armor for more than like 2 bosses

[fierce hedge]

50 bucks

[sand umbra]

DOUBLE PONG

[hollow saffron]

Siren/Levi and golem

[sand umbra]

[fierce hedge]

[sand umbra]

honestly I'm completely willing to make more class-specific/unique armor sets
it's already in my plans, haha

[fierce hedge]

BTW ataxia is powerfull enough as it is

[strong prism]

gyy did i fix it XD

[fierce hedge]

Plus if PBG armor existed you would only use ataxia once

[civic rampart]

lifesteal and spectre effect for mage

[hollow saffron]

Imagine using xd in 2019

[fierce hedge]

X

D

[strong prism]

i always do

i have for years

fite me

[hollow saffron]

I will

[hollow idol]

only use ataxia once. And i’m here immediately ditching reaver because golem is a pushover

[civic rampart]

PBG is unmissable for mages cos plague heart and swamer

[hollow saffron]

Anyway I feel like ataxia should be post pbg

[strong prism]

i am a mage... i feel bad now

[hollow saffron]

Or ravager

[sand umbra]

Plague Hive + Plaguenades tho.

[strong prism]

well mage summoner but we ignore dat

... thomas you're a madlad and i love ye

[civic rampart]

ahh rogue is eyeing PBG now

[frail mantle]

Ataxia is fine where it is imo

[sand umbra]

anywho imma go come up with more new class-specific armor sets
see ya.

o3o

[civic rampart]

ataxia is ald gud enuf

[strong prism]

whats the star requirement?

and what is the grey exclamation?

[hollow saffron]

[strong prism]

there is 1 pin

[sand umbra]

❕: hasn't been reviewed by mods yet
⭐: gather 90 or more of these to send in your sugg!

[strong prism]

and i read it

thank you

[sand umbra]

there are like six pins in #suggestions-voting

the bottom one is the legend.

[hollow saffron]

The one in #suggestions-voting 99head

[strong prism]

shh... i'm a dumbo

[sand umbra]

the legend is also in here lole

it's just below the don'ts.

[hollow idol]

Also not that i support the suggestion but there are unused pbg minions in the source

iirc

[strong prism]

if you have an objection i'd like to know. more out of curiosity than anything?

[hollow idol]

Just seems kinda unnecessary to me

[strong prism]

fair, i just like the boss and feel that an armour set would be neat(especially because i like the colour palate)

[lost agate]

Remember unholy serpent?

[civic pond]

[hollow idol]

remember nemesis?

[lost agate]

Wtf is that

[hollow idol]

Enemy that was unused for awhile before being removed

[lost agate]

maybe because of the white bg

[hollow idol]

Im on mobile, transparency doesnt work

anyways enough of that, back to suggestion stuff

[naive prairie]

I don't know how possible this is, but since at multiple occassions i thought how much terraria needed such features, and Calamity did brought a lot of fantastic conviniences, i may as well just throw this idea here.
-Way to change characters skin and eye colour.

[tiny rose]

You can do that though, no?

[naive prairie]

not in base terraria, and as far as i explored Calamity so far, i didn't found a way to do that

I may have missed something obvious. Is there a way to do it?

[lost agate]

If you mean during the game and not when you make a character then no, nothing does that

[naive prairie]

Heck

Shame!

You can change colour of clothing and hair, it would be really neat if there was a way to change eyes and skin colour during gameplay

[lost agate]

Thats more of a job for other QoL mods tho

Most QoL stuff calamity adds is for gameplay, not vanity

[naive prairie]

Thats fair. Thank you for hearing me out

[tiny rose]

Considering how outfits can be changed, I assume it would be easy for one to create qol for skin and eyes

I would say keep looking for custimization stuff

[hollow shell]

@brave grotto Can you edit your first message into your second message in #suggestions-voting please, and delete the first one

Looks bad having them be separate

[zenith hazel]

rogue - throwing compatibility suggestion...?

[sand umbra]

By that logic, there should be a config to disable the Bard and Healer classes of Thorium because when you play with other mods and you wanna play magic with doots it's really annoying.

[hollow saffron]

dont's moment

[sand umbra]

Also yeah isn't this

one of the don'ts.

[hollow saffron]

like bruh

it infuriates me that people can't read the freaking pins

[hollow idol]

Why do people want throwing again?

[hollow saffron]

Besides it doesnt even make sense anyway

[sand umbra]

~~Now, mind you, I could absolutely do this or otherwise add the ability to shift rogue items to throwing damage with some sort of thing.

Would it be worthwhile? For Thorium players, mayhaps, otherwise not really.
But could I do it? Absolutely.~~

[hollow saffron]

Why disable an entire class just to play throwing?

Like, just dont use rogue weapons if its that bad for you

[zenith hazel]

@next zodiac read the suggestion don’ts document in pins, rogue - throwing compatibility suggestions aren’t allowed

[next zodiac]

oh

ok

[zenith hazel]

I’ll remove it then

[sand umbra]

I don't think there is a movement speed cap (if the Burden Breaker and Thorium's Omega Core working fine are anything to go by).

I think it's just the fact that movement speed buffs

don't actually affect movement speed as advertised. They affect acceleration.

Why? Because yes.

[queen delta]

I reworded it a bit since it looks messy to me

[sand umbra]

Interestingly enough, Thorium's Frostspark upgrades are properly affected by movement speed boosts.

Which makes you wonder why Calamity doesn't have the same thing.

[queen delta]

I was able to reach a whopping 37 mph with seraph tracers for DoG fight, and omega blue leggings which was supposed to give +30% movement speed does nothing

[civic pond]

wow..

that actually explains a lot, as to why i've felt just as slow since the beginning of hardmode

[queen delta]

Yeah you can imagine how many times i mashed A and D with elysian aegis or used rod

[civic pond]

[karmic stone]

I thought Clam's boots were limited to some sort of cap
Then I played SoA and the boots were
A speed-oriented build would be interesting, you just got a star

[sand umbra]

Calamity's boots just aren't affected properly by movement speed boosts.

Then again, neither is anything in vanilla because vanilla is amazingly weird.

[queen delta]

Im pretty sure vanilla boots are affected

[queen sail]

SoA boots

More like

S P E E D

[sand umbra]

I mean I can blatantly apply Swiftness to myself and still move at a whopping 34 mph.

a.k.a. literally the same speed as if I was just not using Swiftness.

[queen sail]

I was surprised how slow the calamity boots were

[sand umbra]

Thorium's boot upgrades are faster than those of Calamity earlier by a wide margin so that's fun--

[tired haven]

Friendly reminder that movement speed stat does the exact amount of jack shit for vanilla boots as for calamity ones

[queen delta]

Yes since movement speed buffs actually work

[sand umbra]

that too

[hollow saffron]

friendly reminder that calamity boots used to be faster

[sand umbra]

movement speed buffs actually work on Thorium boots

[queen delta]

Friendly reminder that i want those boots back

[queen sail]

Why do they not work now

[tired haven]

Do they actually work? Or are boots just retardedly fast by themselves?

[sand umbra]

Both, although moreso the first one.

[tired haven]

I'd like to see proof but that's a lotta work for that

[queen sail]

Abaddon tracers felt like i was running at light speed

Seraph/celestial tracers felt

...the same as frostspark

[hollow saffron]

abbadon?

[sand umbra]

Frostspark (vanilla cap): 34 mph

Angel Treads (Calamity I): 40 mph
Seraph Tracers (Calamity II): 47 mph
Elysian Tracers (Calamity III): 53 mph
Celestial Tracers (Calamity IV): 61 mph

Firestorm Boots (Thorium I): 36 mph*
Terrarium Particle Sprinters (Thorium II): 59 mph*

[queen sail]

So uhhhhh

Slow

[sand umbra]

(* - remember, Thorium boot upgrades are affected by movement speed buffs, so YMMV depending on what you have set up)

[queen sail]

I know thorium has a different set of progression than cal but uh

[queen delta]

So i typed 37 instead of 47

[queen sail]

There’s definitely something wrong if the last upgrade of one mod’s boots is better than the second-last upgrade of the other mod’s boots

[hollow shell]

(I'm pretty sure DoG fight has a constant movement speed limitation)

[queen sail]

That too

[hollow shell]

(I'm not sure if it's still a thing but I knew it was at one point)

[sand umbra]

I mean, if you take into account the fact that TPS are affected by movement speed buffs,

then they have the potential to be straight-up better than Celestial Tracers for horizontal speed.

[queen sail]

Yeah uhhh

[hollow shell]

Cept they cant let you fly

[sand umbra]

I mean they can, although Celestial Tracers certainly outperform them in that department.

But by that point you have stronk wings anyway so like

lole.

[queen sail]

Considering that most post ml bosses force the player to be in a certain area i don’t really think we need nerfed speed

Like

DoG’s the only one i can think of where movement speed is necessary

[sand umbra]

DoG's the only one where being fast is absolutely necessary.

[queen sail]

And even then he’s already programmed to outspeed the player

[sand umbra]

And yet he's the one that constantly slows the player down + outspeeds them.

[queen sail]

And nerfs their movement speed

The boots are kinda

Well

Lackluster ig

Provi punishes you for running, Polter forces you to fight in the dungeon, Yharon locks you in with 2 flarenadoes, and Scal boxes the player

There’s really not many options where running is a viable strat

[hollow shell]

(Polter change coming)

or wait

[queen sail]

With a resp

[hollow shell]

no, it's in

[queen sail]

Perhaps

:hmmm:

[sand umbra]

[hollow shell]

Just needs to be underground, but the spawn area is the Dungeon

[sand umbra]

You still need mobility for post-ML bosses.

[queen sail]

But considering the current nature of polter i doubt much will change

Polt’s difficulty comes from his bullets flying everywhere

[sand umbra]

Provi, for dodging her wide range of attacks properly. The Sentinels. Polterghast, in a really strange sense. DoG. Yharon.

Also the Profaned Guardians and Birb.

So literally everyone that isn't SCal (and even for SCal you need a certain level of mobility, although you gotta make sure it's more controlled due to the nature of her fight).

[queen sail]

Speed is necessary to take on DoG but two aspects of the fight make it literally impossible to constantly keep up

[sand umbra]

Which leads me to ask:

Why do post-ML boots suck.

[hollow shell]

because they're wings

[queen sail]

Then uh

Just make them be wings

[sand umbra]

.

[hollow shell]

and the bosses are already balanced around the boots

[sand umbra]

with DoG's very existence, I somehow have a hard time believing that

[queen sail]

The entire purpose of boots is speed and I’m sure the bosses were balanced around the tracers’ flying capabilities

[hollow shell]

Are you implying the boots need to be nerfed

to match DoG's speed limitation

[queen sail]

Bruh

[sand umbra]

...wh--

[queen sail]

We literally just said to buff the boots to become speed

[hollow shell]

I know

[queen sail]

Because that’s the entire point of the boots

[hollow shell]

Which is why I'm wondering why he mentioned DoG

[queen sail]

[sand umbra]

Nerf flight time, increase running speed, make DoG not punish building for the very thing you need for him in the first place.

[queen sail]

Not sure how’d people do defiled dog in that case

Well not in Thomas’ case

But in the case of the boots atm

[queen delta]

My main problem with the post-ML boots is that they feel way too slow to be post-ML level.

[sand umbra]

They do.

[queen sail]

They pretty much are slow for a major point in progression

[queen delta]

DoG already slows you down, and at the same time, has the ability to outspeed you at any speed.

[queen sail]

They’re supposed to be a combination of both greatly boost your mobility but it appears that one’s been favored more

And I know that flying is important in boss fights but why add boots then

When most of the time you’ll be relying on dashing midair anyways

[hollow idol]

shoudn't the cultist theme and respective music box be removed as they are unobtainable and use up a bunch of space

[hollow shell]

Are they still in

[hollow idol]

according to the wiki yes

[hollow shell]

Hm.
Well, yes, it should

[radiant meadow]

I'm not sure if it's been removed yet, since the music mod is getting an update when the patch is finished.

[hollow shell]

Not that it'd matter too much after this update considering OGG files are waay smaller

but still

[hollow idol]

especially considering it was supposed to be removed about 4 months ago

[radiant meadow]

interstellar stomper is replacing cosmic disgust
not sure if anything else is happening with the music mod (and file conversions)

[ashen warren]

it's a shame that astral is liable not to need that banger of a song

[hollow shell]

what

[hollow idol]

hes talking about astral biome new theme i think

[ashen warren]

I'm talking about Cosmic disgust and I had a stroke when writing that

[hollow idol]

file size takes priority

[hollow shell]

Cosmic Disgust will exist on YouTube, the song ain't gettin erased from existence

[ashen warren]

Unless y'all are planning to readd a boss to astral

[hollow shell]

Yes absolutely

[ashen warren]

thanks

[hollow saffron]

i agree @ashen warren

[cyan lagoon]

Weird wording but do you mean after providence dies? @ashen warren

[ashen warren]

Yeah that’s what I mean

[cyan lagoon]

:+1:
Some people might interpret it as death mode only

[sand umbra]

Death Mode only

ech

[ashen warren]

That’s what I was saying but alright-

[sand umbra]

howzabout we NOT do that

[ashen warren]

Ok fine make it all mode idc

I just want to see more than fucking inflated stats

[sand umbra]

I have a feeling this is because of me mentioning it literally 2 minutes ago in cala talk lel

Either way I feel the same way.

[ashen warren]

Anyways I’m gonna go back to still being salty about duke’s cthulhunadoes being bigger now in rev+

[sand umbra]

In fact, I feel this way about all the "buffs" that certain bosses get after other bosses commit the big die.

Post-ML Aureus.
Post-Provi Bloodstone-drop bosses.

[ashen warren]

I don’t know what the abilities would be though

[sand umbra]

Probably some other I'm forgetting at the moment.

[ashen warren]

besides meme shit like post ml aureus flying

[sand umbra]

Oh I could easily come up with some.

The issue is that as of right now I cannot make boss AI for shit.

[ashen warren]

Aureus fires homing lasers sometimes now

[sand umbra]

no

bad.

[ashen warren]

Wait then it’d just be destroyer-

Aureus fires astral bombs, which have a small blast radius and do not destroy tiles

basically clown bombs but astral infection style

[sand umbra]

I'll have to figure this out later.

[placid moth]

Tbf some of us get the treasure bags before killing Prov so we can get the bloodstone immediately

[hollow saffron]

make the bloodstone drop from the actual bosses

lul

[sand umbra]

I have an idea on how to fix that but it'd take some work.

[hearty yew]

@queen delta Making + movement speed modifiers affect horizontal wing speed, max run speed, acceleration, and maybe even wing time is something I am considering

because that reforge is fucking useless

[radiant meadow]

possibly jump boost

[placid moth]

Warding is still the most useless though

Or does it give DR now

[hollow shell]

Yes

it gives DR

all the defense ones do

[sand umbra]

yeah movement speed modifiers are like

hot fucking trash

lmao

they do literally nothing aside from boost acceleration.

I'd be cool with Quick and its brethren becoming like
a set of general mobility boost reforges.

[hollow shell]

boosting jump speed and flight vertical acceleration and flight time

[sand umbra]

.

okay but

idea:

[remote summit]

Arent the brimstone, calamitas and ravager fights already buffed post ML

[fervent zealot]

statbuffed

[remote summit]

Oh i see

[sand umbra]

okay so hear me out for a second.

re: Quick and its friends being ass.

what if
prepare to get confused with like 3 potion names lole

Lightened - +1.25% jump speed/+1.25% flight accel vertically/+1.25% flight time
Bounding - +2.5%/+2.5%/+2.5%
Soaring - +3,75%/+3.75%/+3.75%
Hyper - +5%/5%/+5%

and then Quick and its friends become

Brisk - +5% acceleration/+1.25% horizontal flight speed/+1.25% actual run speed
Fleeting - +10%/+2.5%/+2.5%
Hasty - +15%/+3.75%/+3.75%
Quick - +20%/+5%/+5%

[placid moth]

Hyper ?

[sand umbra]

Just some thoughts.

[hollow shell]

Sounds like a job
[snap]
for another mod. 😎

[remote summit]

This is beyond my area of expertes

[sand umbra]

First set would be new "verticality" modifiers, second set is the vanilla mobility modifiers given actual use--

aw fuk

[remote summit]

I lie in the area of solving lore

Not weird potions ive never even heard of

[sand umbra]

...wait a minute
that's exactly where I come in to begin with

[placid moth]

Actually 5% flight time is a lot when you think about it

[remote summit]

Lol

[worthy viper]

Am I able to suggest weapons?

[placid moth]

Apparently not.

[hollow shell]

You can suggest that a weapon be added somewhere for a certain reason

but you cannot give it a name, exact function, stats, etc

[sand umbra]

specific item sugmas are naenae'd
you can give a vague suggestion of something being added somewhere for some reason

[remote summit]

Just no shadowspec

Its for mods only

[hollow shell]

devs*

[remote summit]

Yes

Sorry

[sand umbra]

no exo melee weapon nudges either
we have enough of those

[remote summit]

XD

[worthy viper]

Alright hear me out sniper rifle that does a certain percent of your targets health minus the enemies around it

[sand umbra]

wut

[placid moth]

Enemies around it ?

[hollow shell]

Elaborate please
and more importantly: give a reason for it

[worthy viper]

Nearby

[placid moth]

How exactly would this work

[sand umbra]

i'm confused and intrigued simultaneously
how does more enemies being nearby affect the strength of the weapon

[remote summit]

Also... what does this even mean

[hollow idol]

is this a specific item suggestion or is it balancing for a theoretical item

[arctic notch]

Maybe don't give Ravager a new mechanic. He's already the hardest boss in the mod.

Regardless of when.

[remote summit]

What no

[worthy viper]

It’s a weapon that throughout an entire play through would be a valid choice, example of damage, a enemy with 10000 health with 2 enemies with 1000 health nearby. Say the weapon does 50% of the highest hp enemy, 5000, minus 2000 for nearby enemies. Of course the weapon would fire extremely slowly though, perhaps a speed of near 250

[remote summit]

Ravager is easy

[arctic notch]

No he isn't.

[remote summit]

You had my curiosity, but now you have my attention

[hollow shell]

That uhhh

[foggy kindle]

Ravager is what Golem should've been

[hollow idol]

People usually say hes one of the easier no hits tho

[hollow shell]

We already have the Resident Evil inspired weapons for dealing percentage-based damage

[remote summit]

Yeah

[hollow shell]

and those are pretty special and intentionally limited

[worthy viper]

But based around the health of nearby enemies?

Not yet

[sand umbra]

...I'm all for unique mechanics but if I do use something like this for a weapon I'm not going to make it literally viable the whole game--

[remote summit]

Upgrade to coldheart icicle: exo icicle: takes 50% hp

[hollow shell]

This is a cool idea but unless you can make an extensive enough reasoning that is inherent to its function of taking nearby enemies into account, I think this'll be classified as one of them disallowed specific item suggestions

[hollow idol]

still nice to conceive a balanced item just in case someone donates for it

[worthy viper]

That’s why I’m saying it caps at a certain damage

This probably isn’t enough reason but most weapons feel like there are too many particles. This weapon would be a clean, nice feeling weapon that would be excellent single bosses, but weak against groups. There is no weapon right now that will have such a sharp contrast, when it can deal massive damage to single targets but none against groups, in fact it could 2 shot plantera perhaps, but it couldn’t even damage 2 green slimes. I think the weapon is extremely unique and would be an excellent addition.

[zenith hazel]

specific item suggestion...?

[worthy viper]

In was a general idea

It

[sand umbra]

a general idea with a lot of specification as to how it works

[hollow shell]

ehh it's cool yeah but too specific

[sand umbra]

somethin' doesn't add up here chief

[worthy viper]

Not really people needed an example

I literally said a weapon that dealt less damage based on how many enemies were nearby

[hollow shell]

The example is the weapon you're suggesting

[worthy viper]

I could come up with 100 different examples

It doesn’t matter

[hollow idol]

i mean, i brought my patron item idea to this chat to mold it into my submission. So I wouldn't say they are exactly banned, but definitely shouldn't be an every day thing

[worthy viper]

The general idea is there though you guys just said you didn’t exactly understand

[zenith hazel]

but still, lots of specifics

[worthy viper]

What’s specific?

[hollow idol]

yeah, if you want it in, it would need to be donated for

[hollow shell]

Like you mentioned that it wouldn't have a lot of particles

[sand umbra]

the function of the weapon.

:v

[worthy viper]

wait what are suggestions then

[hollow idol]

[zenith hazel]

probably just saying “a weapon that excels against bosses but sucks at crowd control”

[hollow shell]

Like this weapon concept could work as a suggestion if worded right

yeah

[zenith hazel]

that’s probably enough

[worthy viper]

Hold up

[sand umbra]

suggestions don't need to be items

[worthy viper]

I said something even more general than that

[hollow shell]

Well you can't just say that Bravioli cuz that's too lil

[zenith hazel]

yeah I’m just being general

the concept is there but there’s no need to go too deep

[worthy viper]

Here is my exact suggestion alright.
“A weapon thats damage is based upon the HP of nearby enemies.”

[hollow shell]

@knotty current Too specific

[zenith hazel]

so... like vehemence?

[hollow shell]

Please be more general than that

[sand umbra]

@ PanasonicBluRay#5422 specific item sugmas aren't allowed

[hollow shell]

Also nah Brav it's like a reverse Vehemence with an AoE

[zenith hazel]

I could see it having some utility

[hollow shell]

Though if you think about it
low fire rate low pierce weapons, like sniper rifles, do kinda fill that purpose

This proposed weapon would be doing it in a more literal sense, though

[placid moth]

Is Sand Sharknado being reworked or something ?

[zenith hazel]

meant to be used early on in the fight?

[worthy viper]

You can always use explosive or pierce bullets though

[hollow shell]

Sup with Sand Sharknado?

[worthy viper]

Could I have an example of what a “general” weapon suggestion would be.

[placid moth]

They either can't aim, or refuse to aim, so I rarely get good DPS for Sand Sharknados unless it's a big, slow target.

Butterflies is the complete opposite

[hollow shell]

Want a buff, then?

[placid moth]

No, I am sure it has pretty good damage.

[lost agate]

Actually dont

[sand umbra]

aren't sand shorknadoes already getting something next update

or am i remembering shit wrong