That's ten seconds you could be spending slapping Slime God again.
#suggestions-discussion
distant gyro
because you're too high up, that's why
karmic stone
Use that to your advantage
distant gyro
can't even see the floor from your screenshot, in background mode
granite owl
thats a DQ
sand umbra
I mean, if you still display most of the needed knowledge for the fight, it can pass I believe.
granite owl
distant gyro
dq? oh yea you can use that mod to despawn all bosses, enemies, and projectiles when being killed with armageddon on @granite owl
hollow saffron
which mod
distant gyro
what mod is it? it's not public so it's your mission to find it
granite owl
zenith hazel
are we even discussing the suggestion anymore?
distant gyro
to an extent
case in point
make every non-boss/boss/projectile disappear with arma on
tbh would be a better suggestion
hollow saffron
^
@fierce hedge why not edit the sugg to make all non-boss enemies despawn/be instakilled when a boss is summoned while arma is on?
fierce hedge
Ah shite. i thought i did that?
It propably didnt save
Yeah it didnt
its changed now @hollow saffron
hollow saffron
Ok
placid moth
@torn mulch No.
void kelp
@torn mulch that’s a specific item suggestion
terse sundial
Also calm down on the caps dude
night cradle
^
quiet abyss
^
grizzled matrix
Fragment sets are already good enough
faint needle
Also that would be fucking broken
void kelp
Also unnecessary
terse sundial
I don't see the point of it
zenith hazel
don’t type in separate messages like that either
faint needle
would bring multiclassing on a whole new level for a specific boss
distant gyro
all fragments and some other stuffs? so luminite...armor... that already exists in vanilla ? 
terse sundial
Since it doesn't seem like it's going to be changed at all, I'll just remove the stars from it
distant gyro
plus astral armor already exists at that tier so that armor is automatically invalidated/or last only for 1 boss
distant gyro
I think stars can be removed at this point
bitter topaz
@torn mulch please put a semblence of effort into your suggestions
hollow shell
I wouldn't quite say it's a specific item suggestion
but I do think
its weird and unnecessary
night cradle
yeah
hollow shell
If he could provide a decent enough reason for why a fragment combo armor should be added, it'd be aight
I just don't know what that reason could be...
void kelp
ahh
bitter topaz
there's no good reason for it
the closest you could get is "all class armour pls", which is pretty poor reasoning
zenith hazel
astral armor already fills that role pretty nicely too
hollow shell
Yeah that exists
wild yoke
although I wish they would add back in the original auric tesla helm as an all-class helmet, while keeping the class helmets
hollow saffron
i feel like after defeating yharim we should be able to combine all the auric armor pieces to make one super auric piece
and if you do this 3 times you have a full set of true auric armor
smoky wagon
elemental armor?
i do think more armor sets are nice, especially class-specific ones
but thats not a priority for development atm
distant gyro
at the same time it's not needed yea
fierce hedge
@granite owl you legit copied my suggestion without a reason behind it
granite owl
its not your
distant gyro
it's a part of chaining suggestions though
fierce hedge
"When Armagheddon is enabled, Make all non-boss enemies despawn/be instakilled when a boss is summoned"
granite owl
distant gyro
but it would be better if you also include despawning projectiles, markie
granite owl
and i wasn't even watching other suggestions
fierce hedge
its above yours
granite owl
i just was annoyed by sg projectiles
hollow saffron
@granite owl chaining suggestions smh
long hull
i think all bosses should have like a 1 second window where they cant damage you if your in armagedden, just for bosses like skeletron and slime god, where you just get insta killed
plucky prairie
there should be more classless armors imo
radiant meadow
boing? you mean bouncing?
Does Terraria even add a bouncing sound?
wait, that's supposed to be a enuciation of the sound
distant gyro
there's that one sound that happens when an object collides with a block
but it's not really a boing
radiant meadow
I don't think there's really a boing type sound afaik
distant gyro
it sounds more like playing ping pong if anything
clear basin
relating to pokemanz suggestion, this sound https://terraria.gamepedia.com/File:Item_56.wav
ashen warren
That’s the sound scopio wants played apparently
hollow saffron
@slate crown add a reason
radiant meadow
it fits thematically enough
clear basin
how he worded his suggestion is pretty piss poor but i still vote a yes
radiant meadow
but ye, adding that specific sound (unless there is another) to the suggestion would be helpful
distant gyro
what thing in terraria plays that sound even
distant gyro
bruh
I was going to say the sound that plays when luxor melee projectile bounces off a block could be a "boing" sound (not really)
hollow saffron
now imagine that sound playing each time you use the mantis claws
clear basin
boing
hollow shell
@slate crown Indeed add a reason but also replace "commit" with "emit" or some similar verb
As much as I love the word "commit",
we're runnin a business here
clear basin
kinda want to just redo his suggestion
grizzled matrix
Wait why is my suggestion gone
hollow shell
What'd you suggest
grizzled matrix
Something about Ele Gauntlet and Yoyo Bag
radiant meadow
add yoyo bag to ele gauntlet
hollow shell
Probably because nobody approved including devs
It's been suggested since the dawn of time
Should probably add to Don'ts
so I will
ashen warren
@grizzled matrix If you want an elemental gauntlet with the yoyo bag effect, consider the berserker’s soul from fargo’s souls mod
Or just put them in seperate slots
signal prairie
The yoyo bag is already broken enough as it is. I don't see how adding it to the elemental gauntlet recipe would help besides making it even more grindy
queen delta
Yoyos and Yoyo Bag Changes
- Remove the secondary yoyo (yoyo glove effect), but add a “charging” effect to yoyos. Any yoyos that can shoot projectiles would have gradually increased fire rate the more it hits an enemy. True melee yoyos (yoyos that don’t shoot projectiles at all) instead get a gradual increase in damage and may gradually ignore more i-frames. Yoyo Glove would get this change as well. The gradual increase should be up to around 20%, so a buff to all yoyos would be necessary.
- The range increase from the Yoyo Bag is nerfed, but increase overall range of most, if not all yoyos. This nerf would apply to the colored string accessories as well.
Right now, the Yoyo Bag is incredibly overpowered by giving an extra yoyo that also does full damage (essentially 2x damage boost). The fact that yoyos have to be balanced around this accessory makes yoyos incredibly weak without this accessory. These changes should make yoyos overall better and not rely on one accessory to be good.
any feedback?
hollow shell
Not sure how I feel about revamping vanilla accessories like that
also your reason has little to do with your suggestion
lost agate
Pretty sure yoyos only have a reason to suck late pre hardmode, since yoyo bag is like around the corner, and if its made good for WoF it can be too strong once you get yoyo bag
sand umbra
I'm not sure how I feel about this.
hollow shell
Reasoning is now better
sand umbra
Like on one hand, it's neat, but on the other...
it makes it feel more like another general melee accessory than a unique yo-yo accessory, I guess?
The new effects suggested just seem
arbitrary. They don't really serve any purpose or relate to the glove/bag proper, they're just there to replace the bad existing effect with a better but ultimately pointless one.
An accessory like this could easily be added that fits all melee weapons or, hell, just all weapons in general.
That's just my two cents on it, I suppose. It's neat, and I completely agree with you on the Yoyo Bag being overpowered, but an effect that any old weapon can have just feels arbitrary to give to yo-yos particularly.
(And also: how would this affect explosive throws and the Oracle? Just something to think about.)
loud steeple
so could some people give me there thoughts on this suggestion and could you tell me if anything is wrong with it?
Bring back the Crimsaber. The reason on why the Crimsaber was taken out of the game was “ because almost nobody used it” - from BumbleDoge. Taking a weapon out of the mod because “almost nobody used it” is a way to fix the problem but not the best way. I say that the Crimsaber should be re-implemented as it was when it was taken out or maybe give it a buff to make it so more people would use it.
hollow shell
Bladetongue
distant gyro
isn't it against the suggestions to revive certain things?
if something is killed, it's probably for a good reason
loud steeple
i though it was only for the astral slime thing and the lorde?
hollow shell
Those were examples
distant gyro
well, imagine reviving prepare to cry
loud steeple
the only reasons i really got for why it was taken out was people used bladetongue more
hollow shell
Not because they used it more
but because Bladetongue is a vanilla item
If we add something that something in vanilla already fulfills
Can't exactly remove the vanilla one
civic pond
perhaps
radiant meadow
The effects of crimsaber were pretty simple and also didn't really perform well in practice.
loud steeple
well bladetonque isnt the same as the Crimsaber
civic pond
question
distant gyro
well yes it's in the same category : bladetongue, toxikarp, crystal serpent
civic pond
is/was there a corruption counterpart to crimsaber?
radiant meadow
no
distant gyro
no
distant gyro
crimsaber is the only special one of the 3
radiant meadow
soul harvester is corruption only but it's like post golem
civic pond
ech
loud steeple
mabye i could add that it could be moved to a later part of the game and get stat changes?
civic pond
I mean there isn't really a reason to re-add it..
queen delta
- Buff yoyos base damage by 50%, but nerf yoyo glove effect by 50%.
Is this a better option then?
sand umbra
Kinda? Except that's not really solving the problem, moreso slightly mitigating it.
Adding two yoyos in the first place is weird.
queen delta
So basically yoyo bag stays as crutch accessory?
Cuz yoyos are bad without the yoyo accessories
sand umbra
Unfortunately, that's just how it be for now. It's a massive crutch and as it stands it needs to be one for the entire subclass to stand.
queen delta
Just remove yoyos tbh
sand umbra
queen delta
civic pond
ow.
queen delta
\
terse sundial
ashen warren
suggestion idea: make certain desert items able to be crafted by the pharoahs clothes so in case you get cucked by rng you can get a good item. why? pyramids aren't guaranteed, but when they do spawn, they provide some of the best phm vanilla accessories. So having that taken away from you is kinda ech.
ashen warren
god i wish i wasn't jetlagged af
queen delta
Then improve your connection
terse sundial
I'm being genuine there, I hate the pharo's curse
distant gyro
ashen warren
with what? my circadian rhythms?
And yeah
I remember this being posted a while back
distant gyro
pharoah memes are evil
ashen warren
but it's been a long time since
terse sundial
please post this
queen sail
Pharaoh set has been a meme in the vanilla community ever since it existed
queen sail
I mean I guess that’s why it makes sense when someone said it was easy to do better than ReLogic?
lost agate
Make pharaoh set a summoner armor iirc
void kelp
ignoring starter bag that makes pre-boss summoners an rng shiftfest
queen sail
Because some of the things they do can get easily fixed
distant gyro
Prefer summon armor imo
void kelp
hope you get slime staff
hope your pyramid gets the set
distant gyro
Since sun spirit exists
queen delta
Pharaoh set now sells for 10 platinum each piece
queen sail
@void kelp slime staff is guaranteed iirc
distant gyro
wait brain moment
void kelp
yes hence why i said ignoring starter bag
queen delta
And each piece can be crafted with 10 sand blocks at loom
lost agate
I mean
Desert feather and sand bricks could be good
To make the set
And silk maybe
ashen warren
Okay then, what would you rather have: an early summoner armor and make it craftable, have pharoahs clothing sell for tons but make it uncraftable, or have it be able to be converted via crafting station into either the flying carpet or the sandstorm in a bottle?
lost agate
Theres already several sidegrades for rogue
radiant meadow
that's really freaky. Just discussed pharoah clothes in cd chats an hour ago
ashen warren
Implying that I don't have access
ashen warren
I mean, it can be
radiant meadow
I would like summoner over rogue imo
hollow shell
It'd fit well with Sun Spirit Staff
ashen warren
So, 3 votes to nothing
hollow shell
Go to Desert early in a summoner PT for your first set
ashen warren
That's gonna be a summoner set!
sand umbra
I like this idea.
Summoner at the moment, to my knowledge, lacks a really good starting set.
hollow shell
Pre-boss
hollow shell
Cnids dont exist
ashen warren
I guess it's more to say that rogue gets like 4 preboss and summoner gets 1
sand umbra
Okay lemme rephrase.
Summoner at the moment, to my knowledge, lacks a really good and unique starting set.
hollow shell
The first summon-dedicated set is QB I think
hollow shell
Customizing UI appearance sounds like fun.
low remnant
I heck how do you edit on mobile. I forgot to mention that it might be able to toggle between the old looks
low remnant
Ta, lmao
distant gyro
There will be an animation in the future
queen delta
Theyre still missinf the ultimate flame effect when used
distant gyro
Which is hotter
distant gyro
Animation when activating either ripper
queen sail
5% at most tbh
sand umbra
I'd say 5% is fair.
Not too absurdly high, but high enough to where it's more reasonably obtainable.
queen delta
First time i like a suggestion related to halibut cannon
empty geyser
I agree
swift bison
queen delta
Mainly meme suggestions
ashen warren
Nerf halibut hurrdurr
queen delta
Meme weapon comes with meme suggestions
sand umbra
Like, for all the memes and such surrounding the Halibut Cannon,
it places pretty well as a post-Polter/pre-DoG ranged option.
Mainly because that's around the last point where it can really do appreciable damage.
(Yharon has way too much defense to not go glass cannon and Halibut vs. SCal is just no.)
distant gyro
It does
But it has been suggested before
And rumor has it that halibut will unfortunately not move out of its meme status
queen delta
Then we just need a new meme weapon thats similar strength as halibut
distant gyro
SAC
sand umbra
If Halibut's not gonna move, Ranger definitely needs an alternative option.
Because with all due respect,
the Sulfuric Acid Cannon's a joke.
distant gyro
SAC is getting ultra buffed thomas
zenith hazel
seadragon too I guess
distant gyro
reread #changelogs
sand umbra
Are you sure?
queen delta
Perhaps a meme sniper that can 2 hit KS and scales with damage for every boss defeated
queen sail
Sulphuric Acid Cannon is straight up F tier
How it got higher than that i have no idea
sand umbra
You should probably keep in mind that DoG is immune to every debuff in the game except Shellfish Claps and Enraged.
distant gyro
Change 232.
queen delta
Of course nobody is immune to the clap of shellfish cheeks
sand umbra
Lionfish removes Venom immunity from KS, Skeletron's hands, and the Wall of Flesh.
distant gyro
DoG was specifically put resistance on SAC because it was too OP
sand umbra
SAC, however...
distant gyro
That's ironic
sand umbra
The bubbles shot by this weapon remove Venom immunity from all enemies that do not use the Worm AI.
distant gyro
Believe it or not, SAC used to be one of the strongest options for DoG
Until they nerf it to the ground
Change 232 and 233 should make SAC great again
sand umbra
Okay but does SAC remove Venom immunity from DoG.
I mean granted the debuff's already garbage at that stage of the game but it's important info.
distant gyro
Why venom immunity
ashen warren
Pharaoh's Curse no more!
Since the days that the elusive pyramid was introduced, many have searched for it's treasure, just below the sands of the dangerous desert. But one must be careful, even when in it's innermost sanctums, for a sudden curse could grip them. Instead of two massively viable Prehardmode items, they got something that would make even the most vile of people grimace, a vanity set.
Dun Dun Dun
Anywho, Calamity has altered the game in drastic measures, such as to make hard items easy to get, and reworking previous vanity sets for combat uses. Most of these changes are to help the player out in whatever playthrough they might do, so I suggest changing the Pharaohs mask and Robe, both pretty much useless drops in the base game, into a summoner set. As a sort of idea for the set's gimmick, it should promote the use of it's related weapon, the Sun Spirit Staff, so it should allow for a buffed effect to all fire weapons (To allow for the imp staff should it be obtained early).
why: Summoner was arguably the second most neglected class in vanilla, as not even the first viable weapon was a guarantee, in fact, it's one of the rarest items in the game. Only until the much later Queen Bee would they get their own special armor, and a mediocre weapon 
. With the mod, it looks slightly better for the poor class, as it gets Victide right out of the gate. Unfortunately, it shares this with the rest of the classes, and the Wulfrum set before it isn't exactly something to use on bosses.
Here is
ashen warren
I gotta spiff it up do
sand umbra
smoky wagon
i feel like it should be craftable also if it gets actual functionality
ashen warren
Shit i forgot
smoky wagon
like desert feathers+gold/platinum+victory shards
ashen warren
thanks
ashen warren
Maybe making it post scourge
smoky wagon
imagine if flying carpet wasn't craftable and you had to find a pyramid to get auric tesla armor
ashen warren
So a lot of shards
distant gyro
Yea
ashen warren
A fuck ton of shards
smoky wagon
just make it like 15/20/25
sand umbra
re: why I ask about Venom immunity
distant gyro
FC is craftable in hardmode so Pharoah should be unlocked somewhere
smoky wagon
SaC farms polter well and if you get the bubbles onto DoG's head its good dmg
but they are slow af atm
distant gyro
The thing that made SAC broken for dog was the mist shards, not the debuff itself @sand umbra
Hence change 233 undoing the nerf making it good again
Pharoah can just require a fuck ton of vic shards
so it can be technically pre boss but just more hell to farm
ashen warren
What should be used to craft the mask?
distant gyro
Silk? Desert Feathers?
sand umbra
Terrarian projectiles
ignore i-frames
Doesn't this thing already dispatch the Guardonuts and Birb pretty well?
Its projectiles are only really a direct hindrance against Provi.
smoky wagon
so the change will make it good for all three
sand umbra
I am skeptical of how this'll affect its balancing against the first two, but seeing as I have yet to see someone actually support an alternative pre-Provi throw enough to be added I suppose I'll go with it.
smoky wagon
pretty sure devs said there are no plans to add a new luminite yoyo
sand umbra
effulgent feathers
those things are used for literally nothing at their intended tier atm aside from cocktail, why not make a weapon set for 'em
smoky wagon
probably when post-ml progression is fleshed out that will be on the list
ashen warren
🎊 Pharaoh's Curse no more! 🎊
Since the days that the elusive pyramid was introduced, many have searched for it's treasure, just below the sands of the dangerous desert. But one must be careful, even when in it's innermost sanctums, for a sudden curse could grip them. Instead of two massively viable Prehardmode items, they got something that would make even the most vile of people grimace, a vanity set.
Dun Dun Dun
Anywho, Calamity has altered the game in drastic measures, such as making usually hard to find items easy to get, and reworking previous vanity sets for combat uses. Most of these changes are to help the player out in whatever playthrough they might do, so I suggest changing the Pharaohs mask and Robe, both pretty much useless drops in the base game, into a summoner set. As a sort of idea for the set's gimmick, it should promote the use of it's related weapon, the Sun Spirit Staff, so it should allow for a buffed effect to all fire weapons (To allow for the imp staff should it be obtained early). But this shouldn't be exclusive to RNG, after all, the other drops can be crafted! So...
Suggested Crafting: (15) Victory Shards + (5) Desert Feathers + (5) Gold/Plat Bars = (1) Pharaoh's Mask
(35) Victory Shards + (15) Silk = (1) Pharaoh's Robe
Why: Summoner was arguably the second most neglected class in vanilla, as not even the first viable weapon was a guarantee, in fact, it's one of the rarest items in the game. Only until the much later Queen Bee would they get their own special armor, and a mediocre weapon . With the mod, it looks slightly better for the poor class, as it gets Victide right out of the gate. Unfortunately, it shares this with the rest of the classes, and the Wulfrum set before it isn't exactly something to use on bosses.
loud steeple
@ashen warren you cant have the crafting part in it,to specific
smoky wagon
is it?
loud steeple
its still specific
ashen warren
my earlier accepted suggestion of making stardust into stars would have been illegal
loud steeple
well the specific suggestion rule is newish
ashen warren
I'll check it out and see the one specific clause that ousts the recipe
loud steeple
its not one specific thing of the recipe
its just the crafting thing itself
saying something like "make _____ and _____ craftable" would fit it
ashen warren
It says only new items
loud steeple
i still think we should get someone like ozzatron in here to decide
loud steeple
thomas,you decide
ashen warren
@hollow shell
Hate to bother you, but is adding a crafting recipe to the pharoahs clothes illegal or?
sand umbra
bruh i'm not good at this
i barely ever post anything even remotely related to crafting in here
ashen warren
My only suggestion was crafting
sand umbra
bruh moment
ashen warren
So I'm kinda at odds here
sand umbra
My suggestions these days are basically just balancing.
loud steeple
so am i
sand umbra
Personally though I'd say suggesting a crafting recipe is fine since it's for reworking an existing item rather than making a new one?
And because specific item sugmas got nuked altogether a while back.
ashen warren
Yeah, like
Just don't ask for your stardust crusadorks weapon here k?
that's about the new rule
loud steeple
welp,im at odds so i say fuck it and post it in suggestions and see what people got to say
hollow shell
Adding a recipe for Pharaoh Clothes?
Oh I see
You don't need the exact recipe in there
Just say to add a recipe
ashen warren
aight thanks
queen delta
perhaps make the suggestion part bolded so people dont have to read all of it
ashen warren
sure
queen delta
“I suggest changing the pharoah’s.... ....into a summoner set” to be exact
sand umbra
Basically, bold the important shit as something of a tl;dr for people that don't like reading.
Bold tells people where the important things to get from the suggestion are.
empty geyser
A random item to find shrines?
Tsk
You defeat the purpose of a sandbox game
It's just another one of those "Oh my god, I'm so lazy that I'm not going to bother to try to do stuff so I'll just ask for an item that does it for me!"
signal prairie
^
harsh pivot
@empty geyser Do you use the burden breaker?
ashen warren
bruh
harsh pivot
So, why not remove it?
ashen warren
first off, BB is meant to be crafted after you've explored the surface (The only place it's viable) in PHM, hence why it's in HM
sand umbra
The Burden Breaker is a bad frame of reference, first off.
sand umbra
Secondly, if I were to make an item like this, I'd make it post-ML or so.
Because by that point you're never really exploring underground anymore.
ashen warren
But yeah big meme items are not good reference points
harsh pivot
i lost 6 hours to find the onyx escavator key
terse sundial
Shrine items aren't needed for normal progression though
ashen warren
Honestly if you can't find it just get heros
it's a sandbox game, nobody should get in a huffy about it
terse sundial
they are meant to be a little something that you can find while exploring
sand umbra
Imagine cheating when you can make an item that effectively does the same thing but obtainable legitimately.
terse sundial
just a small bonus, nothing in those shrines are 100% needed for Calamity's Progression
empty geyser
burden breaker is a hard item to get, you have to earn it
sand umbra
Ceaseless Hunger Potions is literally a legitimately-obtained item magnet tool and you can't prove to me otherwise.
empty geyser
And it doesn't have particular uses to get anything really
harsh pivot
Fair
ashen warren
ceaseless hunger effects chests?
harsh pivot
No
empty geyser
And also shrines are kinda game breaking
terse sundial
Not really?
empty geyser
Especially luxor's gift
harsh pivot
Yeah, with the cosmic Kunai
ashen warren
Only if you get, like the murasama
harsh pivot
It is destructive
terse sundial
luxor's is getting some nerfs next update, and the Drill has a blacklist of things you cannot mine
ashen warren
Wait, what type of nerfs
empty geyser
Cosmic kunai has a better use: crafting
ashen warren
Like more blacklisted items that can't use it?
harsh pivot
Ok then
terse sundial
kinda, but more general
harsh pivot
i will delete the suggestion
terse sundial
don't think I can go into specifics rn
terse sundial
also we are offtopic now
ashen warren
shame
But I wanna say thanks for all of you who helped my with the "Pharaoh-b-gone" suggestion
empty geyser
Pharoah-b-gone is such a good idea, I just cannot refuse
radiant meadow
@swift bison seadragon "falls flat" because its a tier below stuff like dark spark and Valediction. Its meant to be used against Polter and the other sentinels.
Additionally, Daemon's Flame is viable for DoG and Sulphuric Acid Cannon gets buffed next update.
empty geyser
True, but there should be more than one choice
smoky wagon
dodu's handcannon is good isn't it?
empty geyser
Early game there’s at least 7 weapons for each class for every boss
smoky wagon
ranged has 3 good options which is the minimum
more wouldn't hurt but its better than it being two
ashen warren
@dusty stirrup shit in #suggestions-voting
cyan lagoon
@ashen warren warned, don't meme in #suggestions-voting
ashen warren
or ok
queen sail
What the fuck is that
queen sail
ashen warren
:adios:
zenith hazel
stop
cyan lagoon
don't
ashen warren
øķ
queen sail
Are you actually going to contribute anything to this server or
cyan lagoon
don't do it there either
zenith hazel
why?
hollow idol
are you even allowed to suggest post scal items
balmy coyote
@ashen warren scal only drops items dedicated dev items, and no dev has wanted a summoning item from her, so...
basically its not happening
zenith hazel
I'll remove the suggestion then
ashen warren
Why not just make it the 20% drop from aureus and whatever it is for biome enemies in the astral.
Gives a bit of incentive to do stuff there.
hollow idol
1/2500
fierce hedge
True. But At the moment the Strdisk is 100% obtainable after Aureus
So theres to reason to make it a 20% drop other than just becouse of other keys being dropped for 20% chance
faint needle
Dungeon chest key is very yes iirc
There are like, 500 lines for the code alone
A key likely would have been already done if it wasn't such a pain in the ass
bright mountain
@fierce hedge Im pretty sure thats a bug
i heard that modded locked chests are kinda impossibke as of now with tModLoader
unless calam put in some effort and got a little hacky and kinda changed the way locked chests worked then made it locked
zenith hazel
do reaper sharks even have screams, just curious
ashen warren
Yeah, it has a sfx.
When attacked at least.
Just said it as a scream.
It can be a Roar.
queen sail
@ashen warren There’s already a sound for post polter abyss activating though
It’s the eidolon worm roar
plucky prairie
if a limit to the number of tornadoes is added then it should gain more damage and/or ignore more immunity frames
to keep the dps the same
ashen warren
No, that is Eidolon Wyrm roar.
cyan lagoon
It was the juvenile wyrm
ashen warren
So, then it should be Adult Eidolon Wyrm roar for post Polterghast.
Since Adult's roar is deeper than Juvenile's roar.
karmic stone
@worn salmon The wulfrum drones/slimes are contraptions made by an unknown individual for an unknown reason, so a mini boss would not serve as an origin
Imo wulfrum doesn't need more content, it's only there so it's alot easier to survive against the weakest of enemies, and only lasts until you get a good ore armor/Victide armor, and it's meant to be like that
hollow saffron
hi @worn salmon
loud steeple
@worn salmon in the rules it says no boss suggestions
radiant meadow
you can suggest changes to bosses
but you can't suggest completely new bosses
that is unless your suggested change completely reworks the boss to the point where it's not the same boss
karmic stone
@hollow saffron Now that i think about it it's really underwhelming how Goliath spams the chat telling you something big is gonna happen
Then it's 
karmic stone
Imagine having plague immunity for the only boss that inflicts plague 
lost agate
am i the only that has a legit hard time dodging that attack?
radiant meadow
no
lost agate
Giving them homing would be horrendous imo
Actually both things sound just pain inducing
Plague clouds in the one boss you wanna have good mobility and homing on the attack that needs you to stay in between each projectile 
I have a vid where i almost faceplant pbg when he was doing the bombardment
tired haven
Btw Abbadon allows you to counter Calamitas Doppelganger flames
Alchemical Flask wouldn't have similar functionality if moved past PBG
lost agate
^
ashen warren
I honestly always fight PBG on surface, and haven't died a single time to him.
Except I died once when I played mage and he had like less than %5 health.
I didn't know PBG enraged on surface and haven't noticed anything different.
rustic ember
The enrage is extremely underwhelming
lost agate
I mean, if being swarmed by plaguebringers is underwhelming then eh
But the question here is, does missile rain need all that shit?
frail mantle
not really imo
i mean, yea, it does feel kinda underwhelming, but i don't think giving it homing or lingering projectiles would make it better
tawdry magnet
those last 2 are pretty bad suggestions...
idk
desert scourge has nothing to do with the abyss and idk how generating it with an item would work
frail mantle
the first one is okay, i do agree that the amount of Summon weapons is a bit lacking
tawdry magnet
also self star lmao
next palm
eh i said that because desert scourge is equal to ocean so i came up with that
tawdry magnet
that makes no sense
next palm
sorry if it was a bad suggestion
frail mantle
iirc there was an item that spawned the Crags a while ago, but it was removed
tawdry magnet
I think it's more the generation bit that probably wouldn't work too well
next palm
True
tawdry magnet
the abyss is generated anyway
next palm
I just came up with that because i made a world without calamity and it didnt generate the abyss
frail mantle
yea i can understand the reasoning behind your suggestion
tawdry magnet
yeah, well when generating a world you should have calamity bc it adds a lot of world gen stuff
tawdry magnet
well I can too but if you generate a world without calamity should you have items for generating shrines, the brimstone areas, etc etc
there's more than just that
frail mantle
i just feel like an Abyss Generator wouldn't be added for the same reason that the Crag Generator was removed
terse sundial
an abyss generator seems unnecessary imo
brazen bramble
There was a crag generator?
next palm
Yep
terse sundial
long time ago yes
next palm
do i keep the suggestion or do i remove it?
terse sundial
More summon weps is something I agree with, but the problem is that most Calamity summons are already extremely powerful
it's more of a quality over quantity class
frail mantle
yea
terse sundial
It's perfectly fine
frail mantle
although Early HM Summoner is kinda slow
terse sundial
The abyss one is something I can't really get behind, but it's valid
distant gyro
early hm is kinda sleepy afaik
smoky wagon
Pirate staff meta tbh
void kelp
optic staff is still pretty good since it’s 2 summons for the price of one
hollow saffron
@surreal river hey add a reason
hollow saffron
travelling merchant also sells it
distant gyro
Ice Clasper 1 10%
hollow saffron
like it's so easy to get
distant gyro
Ice Claspers are pretty common so I don't see why we need a recipe
hollow saffron
i usually get it on accident when farming souls of light/essence of eleum
surreal river
I'm trying to find them and it's impossible
distant gyro
in hardmode
surreal river
Brewer is dead
hollow saffron
brewer??
surreal river
mother slimes only spawn in pre hardmode
as far as I know
so it's a pre-hardmode item
distant gyro
murky sludge also drops from evil slimes
hollow saffron
^
distant gyro
or you can use blood orbs
queen delta
If you want easy frost barrier
Just wait for travelling merchant, then use cosmolight to set it to right moon phase with him on your screen
empty geyser
For the astral chest one, I suggest that we have normal astral enemies have a low drop chance for the key, and have the key usable only after astrum aureus is defeated
Similar to how you cannot use biome chest keys until plantera is killed
@fierce hedge
fierce hedge
@empty geyser The heavenfallen stardisk is a must tbh
Having it being a low drop chance would be nuts
empty geyser
Same could be said for vampire knives
fierce hedge
Thats not a must
void kelp
imo aureus dropping it is good
hollow shell
It could be a low chance for all Astral enemies and a relatively high chance for Aureus
like Calamity handles all other keys
void kelp
it’s a good compromise
fierce hedge
That way people are encouraged to fight Aureus more
empty geyser
Yeah it feels weird to have a boss drop a key that’s only usable after you defeat the same boss
hollow shell
'course it's viable
hollow shell
Terraria already does it with vanilla keys, doesn't it?
void kelp
yeah I like that idea! so you can get both
hollow shell
Why should it drop from Deus?
radiant meadow
if it dropped from deus, hfsd would be really separated from the other biome chest weapon
void kelp
iirc cryogen can drop the frozen key and all
hollow shell
He's so far away from Heavenfall in progression
fierce hedge
Mhm
void kelp
hfsd being accessible post-aureus seems like the best place for it
radiant meadow
still, it doesn't really work out
and astrum aureus would end up dropping 2 keys
since it drops hallowed key as of now
hollow shell
Move Hallowed somewhere else
radiant meadow
to where else?
void kelp
hallowed maybe dropped by the mechs?
fierce hedge
Change aureus to only Astral key
fierce hedge
And hallowed key to Deus?
void kelp
Since they drop hallowed bars anyways
hollow shell
Hallowed Bars
radiant meadow
which mech?
hollow shell
All of em with a slightly lower chance than the other key bosses
radiant meadow
deus shouldn't drop any keys
void kelp
33% chance from any?
radiant meadow
deus is much later in progression
empty geyser
Yeah
hollow shell
That works but seems a bit bloated
empty geyser
Even if it drops from deus, you can’t use it until aureus
hollow shell
having to farm WoF for several reasons
void kelp
WoF shouldn’t drop too much yeah
radiant meadow
emblem farming is already enough
empty geyser
Normal astral enemies can have like a 0.5% chance to drop it
hollow shell
Which they should've had anyway
void kelp
I like the idea of mechs having a reduced chance of dropping the hallowed key while they all have a chance
fierce hedge
^
radiant meadow
it should be the same as vanilla key drop rates for consistency when dropping from normal enemies
void kelp
only thing necessary is the sprite 
hollow shell
We have sprite
radiant meadow
it was just unused
hollow shell
Yeah
void kelp
ohhh neat
hollow shell
We have 2 sprites actually but people liked 1 of em
void kelp
ah
radiant meadow
do you need to see?
hollow shell
I guess it's spoilers
Unreleased dev material
empty geyser
I do not need to, but I would certainly like to
radiant meadow
there's no need to add it to the suggestion
it'll just get sent back to us and we already have the key
fierce hedge
True
void kelp
just approve it when it gets there 😉
fierce hedge
But having a key for thw chest would really fit though
Its just the way its suppose to be obtained thats the problem
void kelp
I think the proposed changes for all astral enemies having a small chance to drop it and aureus having a larger chance
empty geyser
It would be logical to have a key, but it shouldn’t only drop from the same boss that unlocks the chest, or astrum aureus in this case.
void kelp
- hallowed key being moved to being dropped by all mechs but at a reduced chance is good
empty geyser
Plantera isn’t the only enemy that drops the jungle chest key, does it?
void kelp
Iirc she has an increased chance to drop it
empty geyser
Yeah, but it also drops from normal enemies
radiant meadow
20% chance to drop jungle key
empty geyser
So I think it should be that all kills within the astral biome has a low chance of dropping the key
As well as a slightly increased chance from astrum deus
And astrum aureus has a 20% chance to drop it
radiant meadow
deus shouldn't drop keys
empty geyser
Why?
hollow shell
Deus is Post-Cultist, you know that right?
radiant meadow
deus is at a far later tier
void kelp
normal enemies + aureus fits better in progression
radiant meadow
it shouldn't have an increased chance to drop keys
hollow shell
Why would you need a Post-Plantera weapon when you're finna fight Moon Lord?
empty geyser
That is true
hollow shell
(iunno Stardisk might be viable for ML, I wouldn't know)
empty geyser
It just feels weird
hollow shell
You should be able to get it earlier though
empty geyser
The big lord of the heavenfallen star doesn’t drop a key for the biome, while its subordinates does?
civic rampart
hallowed key post provi will make rainbow gun hard to balance tbh
empty geyser
Tru
Alr
I guess it’s fair that normal enemies + aureus
But the key is “locked” until you beat aureus
Right?
fierce hedge
I mean
I think its give to have aureus drop both keys
Look at WoF
He also has 2 keys
hollow shell
We can make the chest Post-Plantera like all the others if we implement an Astral Key
hollow shell
WoF drops the Corruption/Crimson keys
and yes we do have both chests in a world with Calamity but still, there's a very close connection there
fierce hedge
Wait
What about changing Crimson/Corruption key to Slime gods in HM
And have WoF drop Hallowed
void kelp
:0
hollow shell
Ehhh
fierce hedge
Since Slime god theme is both Corruption AND crimson
loud steeple
@fierce hedge that would actually be really cool
fierce hedge
Ty
hollow saffron
petition for the astral key to drop from astral enemies instead of a boss
for consistency purposes
fierce hedge
@hollow saffron nah. Due to the fact that stardisk is a must
void kelp
why not both ?
fierce hedge
And a low chance like vanilly is kinda ridiculous
void kelp
submit the suggestion !!
radiant meadow
that's why Calamity has keys drop from certain bosses at elevated drop rates
hollow shell
Both is good.
radiant meadow
astral zombies would probably look ugly
hollow saffron
probs like ugly?
civic rampart
but what's the point tho?
hollow saffron
point of what
civic rampart
there a fighter ai mob ald iirc
hollow saffron
imean the point of having astral zombies is just for consistency
bc iirc the only thing that doesnt get converted by it is the player
because plot armor 🔫
sand umbra
The best part is, I can think of what an Astral Zombie would look like.
And hoo boy is it exponentially more intimidating than a normal zombie.
sand umbra
Nope.
radiant meadow
problem with new darts is that Calamity adds only 1 dart weapon
and it converts all darts 
tired haven
Wait, what weapon is that?
radiant meadow
charged dart blaster
tired haven
radiant meadow
it's decent for deus iirc
tired haven
I totally forgot this exists heh
smoky wagon
charged dart blaster could use a buff bc pretty much every other ranged fragment weapon is better than it for most situations
also its annoying to get the dart pistol/rifle to craft it
karmic stone
Who needs bouncy when you can commit upwards cursed dart
plucky prairie
that doesnt work in caves
karmic stone
Related to the sugg, some subclasses are underdeveloped, yes, but people sometimes cross a line when asking alot for things like flails and spears.
I mention those so that people do not compare this sugg with those, because the amount of underdevelopment darts have is fucking atrocious, and they need more love
plucky prairie
unless its a really freakin big cave
queen delta
Crystal is godly for grinding in open spaces, cursed is godly for worm bosses, and ichor is godly for big fat targets
cyan lagoon
Is making royal gel ineffective during the King Slime/Slime God fight a don't?
signal prairie
Darts only playthrough when
cyan lagoon
after all, the king/god(s) of the slimes are commanding their kind to attack you
cyan lagoon
all it states regarding KS iirc was that suggesting things that make it (and essentially other "easy" bosses) harder
signal prairie
So, I'm guessing that's free game with the royal gel?
signal prairie
Maybe ask Rover or pinkie for confirmation
radiant meadow
I don't really see the point in that
and none of the slime god minions are affected by the royal gel anyways, since we don't/haven't provided any modded slime support
even so, boss minions shouldn't be affected
cyan lagoon
spiked slimes are unaffected in ks fight
but the blue slimes aren't 🤔
so its this weird gray area
either way doesn't really matter much
radiant meadow
because blue slimes aren't solely a minion? idk
signal prairie
I'mma just blame redcode and move on tbh
ashen warren
Since we've hit over 90 stars, I'd like to thank Stardust Sors, prankenstin, ThomasThePencil, Guwahavel, Altix, Scourge, Achilles, Shucks, Yatagarasu, Merkalto, and KirbyMaster. Thanks for your ideas that I managed to steal and I hope that the suggestion, or some variation thereof is implemented.
hollow saffron
smh stealer
imean the suggestion is really well formatted and presented
10/10 for effort
hollow saffron
daga kotowaru
ashen warren
Imagine pinging all of those people
queen delta
do it tbh
void kelp
radiant meadow
I saw the message anyways 👀
empty geyser
We should name the Astral Zombies something like “Xenomorphic Corpse”
hollow saffron
alien moment
tired haven
Had a kinda complex thought to rebalance summoner a bit
- Let Shadowflame debuff slow enemies down (sort of like Temporal Sadness or Glacial State, but weaker). This will mainly affect The First Shadowflame, making it a bit more than a material accessory, but also slightly buff other Goblin Summoner drops like Shadowflame Hex Doll
- Give Statis' Blessing a weaker debuff than Temporal Sadness. As it stands right now, this debuff completely negates any non-boss threats and makes them too trivial. However, the full power of slowdown will still persist on Statis' Curse, due to 2 debuffs stacking (I believe they would, and if they wouldn't, custom combo won't be hard to setup)
void kelp
oooh
plucky prairie
add maximum sentries to post ML summoner armors, potentially at the cost of 1 or 2 minon slots
why: as it stands, sentries become less viable in battle against bosses post ml and only are worth using against normal enemies while building and it feels rather dull just having a swarm of one random type of minion and only 1 sentry
alternatively, summoner proficiency could increase max sentries as well as max minions
void kelp
ooh I like that; also encourages more sentry use
worn salmon
@loud steeple @radiant meadow i was suggesting a mini-boss
which i think ive been told its allowed
brittle merlin
It’s still a boss suggestion though
radiant meadow
what?
brittle merlin
The wulfrum thing
radiant meadow
I don't even know what your suggestion is
worn salmon
miniboss
hollow saffron
Nice
hollow shell
nice
sand umbra
nice.
queen delta
Nice
void kelp
Remove unused files from the mod’s data.
Not only will this help reduce the memory space the mod takes up, it would probably also speed up load time for the mod. Moreover, it’s just a lot neater to have less unused extraneous content that are unlikely to see the light of day aside from someone outright extracting mod data.
void kelp
ah I see
hollow shell
I agree that some of the stuff should be removed just for neatness
there's some shit in there that's been in since before I became a wiki editor, and still nothing's been done with it
void kelp
aye
hollow shell
but
s'more of a backend thing, nothing that'd concern the public at all
void kelp
ah, so that’s more of a “ask devs in devchat” sorta thing gotcha
hollow shell
p much
plain ridge
more dev armor and stuff please
plain ridge
why
queen delta
hollow shell
Because it's the devs' dedicated items
They choose what they want their items to be
plain ridge
i just want for vanity
hollow shell
There's a mod called Calamity Vanities which does exactly as the name implies
adds a bunch of pets and costumes and stuff
hollow shell
Pretty cool, I'd recommend it
plain ridge
alr ty
hollow shell
np
plain ridge
ima vanity geek lol
queen delta
Invisible dye mod is great for vanity geeks too
plain ridge
@queen delta what does that mod do
plain ridge
why's that
queen delta
Where you want the dash but the shield doesnt look good on you
zenith hazel
why?
proven tide
because mining sideways with one or two vertical tiles of leeway is godawful sometimes
worn salmon
its like
so annoying
to only be able to mine horizontal
doesnt have to be vertical
but any angle going down would be appreciated
sand umbra
Honestly.
zenith hazel
how to completely trivialize hellevator
sand umbra
dynamite already does that smh
placid moth
Actually yeah, loot shrines are a pain to find
@topaz dirge I think it might also be valid to suggest that loot shrines are made explicitly bigger than they currently are, and since surface/underground and cavern shrines could range from anywhere from the extreme left to the other end of the world, perhaps make some of the shrines like the Enchanted Sword/Arkhalis shrines instead.
worthy fiber
alas, I hadn’t check for what counted as chaining
Thought it was just the “in addition to X’s suggestion”
placid moth
Perhaps
topaz dirge
Very true
I don't think editing it will be a good thing. Do post it as a separate suggestion
fierce hedge
@topaz dirge I think its fine as it is. The items that you find are really OP but not required to progress
Having a locator for it would make it close to impossible to miss shrines
Like look at the Luxor's Gift, Its powerful
fierce hedge
The exclamation mark is gone
ruby cobalt
not even granite/marble
fierce hedge
Did you forget the true melee accessories?
ruby cobalt
mushroom shrine is special
placid moth
tbf the only shrines I have issues with is the underworld, trinket of chi and onyx key
topaz dirge
I found the onyx quite easy tho
ruby cobalt
you never find it if you're looking for it
placid moth
Those biomes extend so far out
fierce hedge
Besides, Shrines reward you for exploring morr
placid moth
That it's impossible to find
ruby cobalt
hell shrine is in bottom right
fierce hedge
Pretty sure
ruby cobalt
never had it on the left
fierce hedge
Murasama all the way
placid moth
All the way to the extreme right ?
ruby cobalt
like 80% to the right
around that point
like hell and desert shrines are the easiest to find
ashen warren
abyss shrine is the easiest smh
ruby cobalt
rest just sucks ass because your search area is either half the world or 10 spots randomly shitted in the world
placid moth
ifkr
ruby cobalt
abyss shrine doesn't even count since it sometimes fails to generate
and the only thing it has is terminus
post-game lole
ashen warren
warm tinsel
lethal roost
10x scal
worthy fiber
Why don't you just download Fargo's instead tho
worthy fiber
Make Fargo do swarms then since they're kinda his thing
lethal roost
Fair point
worn salmon
@hollow shell aight, done
proven tide
❌ 🏁
@hollow shell henlo again honey
is this because it was actually a typo on the wiki (if it was, though, I wasn't notified when I posted the suggestion) that later got corrected or did it actually change in-game?
terse sundial
No, that is actually how it appears in-game now, adding the checkered flag now
proven tide
thanks! 😄
hollow shell
Alright then
lost agate
Youre likely to kill cultist archers just by breathing on them lmao
And people often just to run cultist so they wouldnt be a threat at all
zenith hazel
"hmm yes today I will shoot arrows that go at 3 mph and hopefully hit my enemy"
tawdry magnet
Buffed cultist archers would be cool tho
ashen warren
They are outclassed by goblin archers.
tawdry magnet
More health, more damage, faster firing and arrow speed
versed mica
Cultist archers are only scary because you might hit them, they don't actually do anything
ashen warren
Like, bruh.
A real cultist buff would be something pertaining to the ritual.
tawdry magnet
Yeah true