Brimmy has this really weird drop table that nobody quite understands the reasoning for.
#suggestions-discussion
sand umbra
hollow shell
Wait no nevermind not brim
radiant meadow
brimmy uses like similar code but she sometimes drops only abaddon
hollow shell
She always drops Abaddon and then she has a mutually exclusive 1/3 chance each for Brimlance, Seething, or nothing
sand umbra
Brimmy's Treasure Bag is strange.
clear basin
it's a cursed thing
radiant meadow
except in normal mode, where it's an exclusive chance for abaddon, brimlance, or discharge
hollow shell
... which is interesting
radiant meadow
I kind of like how some of them are though
you get a chance to get like 8-ish items or a chance to get none
sand umbra
Mhm.
sand umbra
tawdry magnet
if you could use eidolon tablet earlier (prehm) you could go straight to pillar weps
if you could kill an eidolist
hollow shell
Fighting Lunatic Cultist with Starter Bag weapons 
void kelp
@ crab when
oh who am I kidding; the entire thought of even getting to pillars is crazy too
also, don’t eidolists spawn in underground and lower ?
hollow shell
In Hardmode
sand umbra
Eidolists spawn in the Dungeon and in the 3rd and 4th Abyss layers.
night cradle
in Dungeon in Hardmode
sand umbra
And only in Hardmode.
void kelp
yeah. Tbh I’m for the suggestion to let siren and Levi + AS drop their drops since you have to do some work to kill them
tawdry magnet
Yeah same
queen sail
Tbf the mod does add nonlinearity and even though it adjusts some powerful weps for the sake of balance (e.g terra blade) if someone can kill AS or Levi wat before they’re supposed to be fought, it’s well deserved
They should probably adjust Souls of Sight to drop in hm for AS though
frail mantle
yea
afaik anything that could be crafted with Souls of Sight needs a Hardmode Anvil
clear basin
It's strange but idk how else to do hand em out
Solidified soul you need a hm forge to turn em into normal souls?
Idk
loud arrow
Don't drop bag pre-hm and just drop items (except souls) like in normal difficulty?
clear basin
Idk
loud arrow
Or bag have 2 drop lists - pre-hm and hm+
frail mantle
why though
loud arrow
idk
frail mantle
yea
clear basin
No iou no skimp
frail mantle
the only thing that might be a bit too strong for pre-HM is AS' Expert Drop
clear basin
Meh not really
frail mantle
i mean
frail mantle
30 defense is kinda strong, even if it slows you down
frail mantle
yes but still
clear basin
The weapons will tear through wof so it don't matter
tired haven
I mean, if the barinautical isn't too strong for preHM, what is?
clear basin
30 def apparently
frail mantle
yea that's fair
clear basin
If you beat as with bad wings a star Cannon and molten armor you deserve 30 def
sand umbra
Star Cannon memes.
Actually that provides a very viable option for AS pre-boss
since Meteorite can be broken by even just a normal Gold or Platinum pickaxe--
sand umbra
^
unique vector
@ashen warren why make a suggestion on something you haven't even tested in game yet? 
radiant meadow
DoG can't even hurt you during laser walls though. Why does sky color matter? @ashen warren
sand umbra
I mean I've tested DoG walls in game somewhat extensively by virtue of being shit at fighting him and
there are certainly scenarios where DoG can semi-cheese you with the power of forcing a double RoD or taking laser wall damage--
smoky wagon
there is an rng element which can make the wall patterns either unfair or basically no challenge at all
plucky prairie
what if the laser walls were more of a laser circle?
smoky wagon
sounds jank
plucky prairie
like
sand umbra
Sounds wack.
plucky prairie
having them shoot at the player from a certain distance every like 15 degrees or something
instead of from the sides of your screen
smoky wagon
could be interesting
plucky prairie
it would make moving around more necessary
clear basin
You were killed by: your own slow reflexes.
terse sundial
@weak quiver That change was already made a previous update. Make sure that you are updated
All of Astrum Aureus' projectiles glow brightly now
civic pond
i think its backwards for a reason
terse sundial
Yes it is backwards for a reason as far as I know
civic pond
isn't it because to avoid legal shit..?
terse sundial
@remote summit You need to provide a reason why.
remote summit
Ok ):
vocal grotto
Also details as to what changes could be made directly. That statement is a bit vague
terse sundial
^
remote summit
Done
frail mantle
SCal is meant to be hard
terse sundial
That's not a good reason
vocal grotto
frail mantle
she's a superboss, after all
terse sundial
You need to explain why, also SCal isn't likely to get changed for a long time
terse sundial
That's why I removed the stars prior
frail mantle
yea it kinda looks like one
vocal grotto
Like, why is it too hard? Charge? BHs? Sepulcher?
opal barn
btw @terse sundial i'm pretty sure that the norfleet is held like that in BL2
terse sundial
good to know
opal barn
civic pond
huh
civic pond
sepulcher
remote summit
Lmao yes
radiant meadow
so nerf sep 1 but keep sep 2 the same?
terse sundial
That's not a reason to suggest
Just because you suck at a boss, doesn't mean it needs to be changed
radiant meadow
sep 1 doesn't really need the nerf imo
it's the start of the fight and is nowhere near as messy as p2
vocal grotto
Are you addressing Kirbymaster's comment?
remote summit
Nah i beat him already in reveangance
sand umbra
tbf,
if anything, secondpulcher needs a slight nerf.
Or the ability to delete its projectiles after it dies.
terse sundial
sep1 is fine, sep2 is the only one I could see changed
radiant meadow
I recommend rewording your suggestion from "Make SCal easier" to "Reduce the darts spawned by Sepulcher"
it gets the point across better
frail mantle
yea
terse sundial
^^
civic pond
little off topic but can i kill sepulcher with coldheart
remote summit
Idk, i was thinking use the grand dad to take away his defense
terse sundial
Sepulcher has DR though
radiant meadow
sepulcher is unaffected by grand dad
terse sundial
Nothing you can really do about that
remote summit
DR?
terse sundial
Damage Resistance
radiant meadow
ataraxia is like 10 times faster than coldheart >.<
frail mantle
you don't need to attack the Sepulcher itself
terse sundial
You kill the Brimstone Hearts at the top of the arena to kill Sepulcher. You know that right?
frail mantle
^
remote summit
Yeah
radiant meadow
that's if coldheart even works
remote summit
But
terse sundial
I just want to make sure
remote summit
Sepulcher would be fun to kill
ashen warren
mfw I didn’t know the hearts existed
terse sundial
No, but you previously mentioned SCal as he
frail mantle
if you somehow manage to kill the Sepulcher the fight progresses normally i think
remote summit
I see
ashen warren
sepulcher could be an it as far as I know
remote summit
When?
queen delta
Any reason why the aureus suggestion isnt starred? I kinda wanna star it
radiant meadow
because it already happened
queen delta
Oh
radiant meadow
they're like bright white-ish atm
remote summit
Sepulcher is a different gender unknown to mankind
queen delta
Well, if it already happened, then might as well delete it
vocal grotto
Should I get rid of it if it's already a thing then?
terse sundial
Yeah, it was a change that has already happened
queen delta
All it's doing right now is taking up space and collecting dust
terse sundial
Sure ig
vocal grotto
there
ashen warren
space
dust
hehe
remote summit
Is everyone here terrible at astrum aureus or is it just me?
Even after i went ahead and kill lunatic cultist to get terrartomere it still took me 2 tries to beat
radiant meadow
are you looking to suggest a nerf?
radiant meadow
then best move to a different chat as it is irrelevant to suggestions
remote summit
K
vocal grotto
Perhaps more enemies/loot following the providence kill text, kinda like the astral nerds after Aureus?
radiant meadow
Like what?
vocal grotto
Oh, I was just asking for specifics as to what the new sugg would have ideally
radiant meadow
Well, she already unlocks 2 tiers of weapons
As well as her drops and divine geode crafts
ashen warren
hi
hollow shell
Good suggestion
For how focused the mod seems like it should be on the Brimstone Crag (previously known as The Calamity Biome), its pretty sparse
tired haven
^ iirc
civic pond
oh.
hollow shell
pretty low priority over other stuff we've got planned
civic pond
Honestly i thought it would have been better to flesh things out prior to newer editions
but thats just me
vocal grotto
I'd be fine with taking a swing at some of it, but that's a little offtopic.
ashen warren
@ashen warren yo, the norfleet is held right
it shoots from the left end
aka
<<<
civic pond
i think you'd need approval from dok for that one
ashen warren
Meme in suggestions
civic pond
also i have no clue why..?
ashen warren
@indigo lintel Suggestions are meant to be serious
terse sundial
I'm just gonna count that as a meme suggestion
ashen warren
Can you delete it
terse sundial
done
ashen warren
Ty
indigo lintel
oopsie
ashen warren
Oh wait skood didn't see your revised suggestion lol
lost agate
that just looks like public humilliation tbh 
"hey this dude got warned for x time, now everyone knows hahayes"
swift bison
that's now what i meant
vocal grotto
I think he means how long a warn lasts in general
swift bison
i meant like adding: "warns expire after one month" or "warns last until a moderator has decided you do not require it anymore" to the rules channel
lost agate
you did say "when a mod takes it off"
swift bison
sorry, check my previous post again, that's what i meant by that
also edited the suggestion to make this clear
ashen warren
hey guys i just fucked up and decided ppl should be clear abt warnings bc i got warned but i was ok with how i thought it was vague until i did so pls change
this is all i see in there
imo every server got a good common sense to apply rules and whether they last a year two decades or not u fucked up after reading rules u earned whenever long they keep it on u
hollow shell
(I couldn't tell you were trying to make a sarcastic remark at first)
ashen warren
ive never been confused abt rules at any point in servers even with L E S S description bc i never got warned for being an idiot
hollow shell
Yeah he's not saying the rules about how you get warned should be revised or any clearer
He's saying it should be clearer how long someone is warned for
ashen warren
its weird for someone to do that right after they fuck up
but details are cool ofc
it shows how serious a server is at some degree instead of just slapping some common text in there
even when u slap it in u expect ppl to use common sense and brain so i leave it ppl who vote for it
i dont find it a needed change
hollow shell
.. again, duration, not reason for warn.
Common sense doesn't really dictate how long a warn or mute will last
radiant meadow
They want in the rules:
"Warns last for a month"
"Mutes last 24 hours"
"Extended mutes last 48 hours"
swift bison
ye, when i got warned i asked daijoubu for that, and got it, but it would be good to have in rules so everyone knows
hollow shell
The mute times are indeed listed in the final rule
But warn times are not.
radiant meadow
Warn time is a bit more flexible but the standard is 30 days
void kelp
I think it would be useful since it helps people know the specific consequence for their actions
teal ibex
if anything i would expect it to be the other way around since mute offenses are more extreme, but a general timeframe is probably for the best?
that being said people will immediately be like "it's been x days unwarn pls", so if it's inherently a flexible margin then it might just cause more trouble than it's worth
swift bison
that's true
vocal grotto
Actually, the x days unwarn thing wouldn't be an issue
void kelp
I would put for warns like, “hey if you keep pestering mods on when you’re unwarned you’ll be muted”
teal ibex
so there already is a standardized time frame?
terse sundial
yes
teal ibex
in that case it seems like an oversight lol
smoky wagon
messing with inventory slots sounds prone to bugginess
you can use magic storage's remote storage access
to store junk
hollow shell
GlitchOut's?
proven tide
yee
hollow shell
No, of course not
proven tide
very good uwu
@empty geyser although it has my support, this raises issues regarding the negation of lore item balancing
sand umbra
It has my support as well and there is less negation of lore item balancing than you may believe, because at the end of the day they're still hogging your inventory alongside potions.
Or at least, from what I can tell.
proven tide
when you: alch npc
hearty yew
@hollow shell Yo so there was a guy a few days ago who I suggested should make a list of all submitted suggestions. You already make this list, right? Has he contacted you at all?
( He's @signal prairie )
sand umbra
Just seems like a way to not basically need MS' Portable Remote Storage Access to pick up more than like 10 different item stacks at once.
hollow shell
I don't think so, no
I don't recall ever making a list like that
proven tide
how long would the extension be? one line? two?
sand umbra
I'd say even just one line is good.
empty geyser
I agree.
sand umbra
Doesn't have to be a huge extension, just something to make carrying all that loot a little easier.
empty geyser
The celestial onion only gives one extra slot, which is 1/6
hearty yew
okay
I guess the closest thing we have to a list then is just that whole dev server channel
I wondered if you made a separate list of any type
If you don't, that's fine
It's a bit of a daunting task so I wanted to make sure that we weren't redoing already-done work
empty geyser
My suggestion isn’t really a suggestion dedicated to a specific item, but rather a new mechanic.
hollow shell
Yeah
empty geyser
I didn’t even give it a name
hollow shell
Yeah ik I dunno what Vetus is goin on about
proven tide
to be fair it literally starts with add a consumable item
hollow shell
(That's a good thing. If it were a specific item, it'd start with
"Eldritch Extender
<><><><><><><><><><>
Consumable item")
hearty yew
@hollow shell The reason I suggested doing this is because someone pointed out that it's currently really inefficient for devs to look through suggestions and implement them. This harms the ability of any suggestion to see completion
The system we have on the dev server isn't exactly tailored for quick browsing of "hey what could I do today"
that and apparently people do want to know when suggestions get rejected
which, to be fair, isn't too much work on us to do
since we already mark completions
hollow shell
So, when a suggestion gets delivered, we should record it in a Google Doc as well as send it to the dev server?
What I'm wondering is how Amber's bot will play into this, because iirc there was a similar kind of system planned for that
sand umbra
-After the changes, I noticed that Spaz's charges were slower than his expert ones in Rev+ before entering his new phases, which shouldn't be the case in such a high difficulty. Now they resemble the normal mode charges.
mfw literally nothing changes about the Mechs from Normal to Expert in the first place 
...o wait
grizzled matrix
Spaz has a small speed change in his charges, and Ret fires faster.
arctic wren
I never noticed it
sand umbra
mfw Twins are the only ones out of the Mech boss trio to have any Expert changes whatsoever.
ech.
lost agate
spaz fires fireballs like a madman anyway
sand umbra
grizzled matrix
That's phase 1 though
arctic wren
fervent zealot
hmm yes today i will make eye spam charge in an almost unavoidable manner and call it an expert change
sand umbra
And yet running in a straight line with Lightning or Frostspark Boots still makes it trivial, perhaps even moreso than Normal Mode--
grizzled matrix
Spaz doesn't necessarily "spam" charge in expert though
sand umbra
Expert changes are big bruh.
grizzled matrix
EoC tryhards so he needs to spam charge
placid moth
@brittle flume That is not a suggestion
zenith hazel
I’m pretty sure stuff like masorev compatibility will be fixed next update, not too sure about overhaul
either way I’m gonna remove the first “suggestion”
bitter topaz
overhaul compat is a big no iirc
amber canopy
overhaul + calamity = bad joke
zenith hazel
so should I remove the other one then?
bitter topaz
go ahead, yea
ruby cobalt
clear basin
I swear if my suggestion dies with 130 stars
sand umbra
@ merkiplier or somebody
this man's sugg has well over the star threshold
may it be sent
clear basin
Still no check
worthy fiber
do you want me to take a pic
clear basin
I can take one too
worthy fiber
sike
clear basin
Feels
frail mantle
tbh i feel like we should get a pin in here stating that suggestions that reach the star count are sent in eventually, it just takes time because it's not an automated process
gusty geode
In regards to that thing about Spaz
They made a change that specifically removes Plantera's expert change
So
Or at least in rev+ they did
Still, idk why they'd do that
queen sail
Probably because it’s messy
The tentacles can tank shots and respawn
And overall it looks pretty cluttered
night cradle
^
lost agate
If the tentacles are more of a threat than plantera then we have an issue
tired haven
Always was like that in vanilla
Calamity a bit less because plantera keeps shooting spiky balls and accelerates more
lost agate
Good thing shes getting a rework
hollow shell
Hmmmmnn
Conflicted on the Cryo enrage changes
I don't know how noticable it should be
Whether we're tailoring it for people who try fighting it outside the biome, or if it should be more subtle considering accidental enrages are much more common.
radiant meadow
I wouldn't mind the status message but the enrage shouldn't become more aggressive
hollow shell
Hmm
hollow saffron
yes
I was planning to make a suggestion related to that later on
but ive already made two suggestions today so i guess thats enough
!remindme 1 day
devout seal
Honestly, i think some acheivements would be neat, but they should be low on priority
plucky prairie
Small qol change: reduce the amount of light from the plague hive and/or make it so that toggling visibility gets rid of the light because the sheer amount of light that the thing emits is a bit crazy and can be hard on the eyes
hollow saffron
plague hive emits light?
are you sure its not the ambrosial ampoule and the luiafk shine potion?
plucky prairie
yes it emits light
hollow saffron
can i see a screenshot
plucky prairie
ultra green
plucky prairie
plucky prairie
im using retro
civic pond
but really why does it emit so much light in the first place
plucky prairie
exactly
plucky prairie
and the only lore items i have that can emit light are the spores from the EoW lore item and the mushy buff from the crabulon item (which isnt active, as im clearly on the surface)
hollow saffron
cant the plague aura be like represented by a green energy bubble or smth
like the caesless void succ radius thingy indicator
hollow saffron
like how big is the radius anyway
civic pond
it doesn't "need" to be reperesented
hollow saffron
what if it was like the glowy thingy stand users get when using their stand
but green
plucky prairie
could lag a bit if it was what i said though
civic pond
honestly disabling visibility getting rid of the light would be ok
plucky prairie
i dont see why the visibility toggle is there for some accessories but not so many more
like actually
theres so many things that make sense to have that be a thing
empty geyser
I suggested about achievements earlier as well. This is a really good point
Some might just rush through the boss list without actually having fun doing the playthrough.
Achievements will allow players to hunt for specific things
hollow saffron
Yes
"Sword in the Stone" - Obtain the Roxcalibur
"We need to go hotter" enter the brimstone crags
"unholy purity" - defeat providence
"everlasting stardom" - enter the astral biome
"i dont feel so good" - get inflicted with plague for the first time
etc
worthy fiber
*Sword and the Stone
civic pond
lol
hollow saffron
imean these achievement names are probs gonna be decided by the devs
lmao
if the suggestion gets implemented
foggy kindle
But can those achievement get in the game though
radiant meadow
you can craft Rox so not always Sword in the Stone
hollow saffron
they probs wouldnt be obtainable on steam
sand umbra
I made a ton of theoretical Calamity achievements a while back--
hollow saffron
send them
hollow shell
(Huzbubber Tim did the same)
proven tide
@ocean shale buuut someone would have to post it somewhere for it to have something to post
defeating the point
hollow shell
Yeah that'd be uhh
I don't think we have robots readily available that are good enough to describe all the changes Fab makes to the source and the reason why he does it
terse sundial
That's not gonna happen
hollow saffron
yeah like how would an automatic changelog robot even work
terse sundial
Not to mention that not everything is posted in changelogs on purpose sometimes
proven tide
^
hollow saffron
i also like fab's desctiprions of the changes and think that a bot wouldnt have a sense of humor or a personality
hollow shell
And if he works on something big or does several changes in a row that are for the same reason, the chat would get spammed with useless info
ocean shale
Alright then
karmic stone
Closest thing you can get with this is a bot spamming lines of codes nobody but devs will understand
So yhea, point made
void kelp
I did propose a changelogs page on the wiki but the breadth of changes and history of changelogs is quite a lot
grizzled matrix
Wait does Cryogen actually enrage?
radiant meadow
he gets a speed boost if you leave the snow biome
grizzled matrix
Never really noticed it
empty geyser
Lol You’ve been naughty achievement for using RoD in the abyss
zenith hazel
proven tide
civic gust
hollow shell
Heh
plucky matrix
just skip last phase with rippers
placid moth
what if im too bad to reach last phase
proven tide
get good
placid moth
let me see, ah, that's not in my to-do list, forever.
brazen bramble
mech summoning items should move to the mechanic's shop, because she is the one who actually created the mechs, what do you think?
karmic stone
Vanilla lore doesnt apply to Clam's lore
Im Clam's lore Draedon created the mechs, not the Mechanic
brazen bramble
isn't vanilla the base? or does it actually crash with calamity?
karmic stone
Clam had lore from the start, Vanilla then wrote stupid lore that seems rushed so you're better off ignoring it while playing with Clam
brazen bramble
oh, is it because in vanilla she created them for moon lord, but in calamity it's draedon's experiments?
i guess it's a bad suggestion then
zenith hazel
yharon's enrage is subtle? 
karmic stone
"The air is angry"
hollow saffron
@zenith hazel at the very least I usually have no idea when it's active, because it's based on summon distance rather than biome
So even while still in the jungle he'll yeet me for 3000 damage
I miss the old Yharon enrage
hollow shell
Example messages' wording could be better
A bit long-winded and weirdly polite
but good concept
hollow saffron
I also think that for bosses that speak(like Calamitas), they should personally inform the player of said enrage. Example would be Scal saying something along the lines of "Stay in the arena I made for you!"
brazen bramble
maybe let then make a sound? 'cause who got time to look at messages when you are being chased by an enraged boss?
clear basin
Idk but I find reading boss dialogue easy during a fight
I guess my periferal reading is good
plucky prairie
i feel like "you better not run" would suit scal better
tired haven
"Come back, you coward!"
hollow shell
"Escaping is futile"
clear basin
Can't wait for my suggestion to die in the pile of suggestions
ruby cobalt
sand umbra
odd orchid
placid moth
what do emotes mean
jovial spire
I am now convinced my blood moon suggestion is dead because the suggestion 3 below it was sent and the suggestion 1 above it was sent but mine hasnt been sent yet
time to repost it in 2 weeks
odd orchid
The point is, my guess is that they weren't really designed to be fought at that point but because of reasons I don't really know, they can somehow still spawn before they're supposed to (i.e. in pre-HM/pre-plant) and at some point there should be at least Some limitation on progression-breaking. because really, even if you could beat those bosses in PreHM and get their loot, that just removes the challenge, and by some extension the fun, of playing the rest of the game up to that boss's actual point in progression.
hollow shell
Dont worry, its rare that we let a successfully starred suggestion go undelivered
clear basin
sand umbra
@odd orchid
Adult Eidolon Wyrms can spawn before they're supposed to and drop post-Polter shit, despite being an enemy combatable the moment the player can inflict Chaos State on themselves.
Additionally, Calamity adds non-linearity out the ass and gives you pretty much free reign over who you'd like to fight aside from the Great Waffle. Dr. Looney Tunes, the Man in the Moon, and everybody past Provi that isn't Polter.
Daily reminder that you can fight the Dr. the moment Hardmode starts, initiate the Lunar Events, and proceed to clean-sweep everything prior to him with the Lunar Fragment weapon(s) for your class.
odd orchid
._.
Alright, sure, fuck it. give players DS and SiLevi loot preHM.
or make every other loot item you get post-something-or-other ALSO an IOU until you pass a certain point.
odd orchid
what is the point then, since some IOUs do exist
sand umbra
hot take: Siren and Levi IOU is dumb
ruby cobalt
which gates you behind plantera to make the items
odd orchid
Of fuckin course it is
ruby cobalt
completely ignoring the fact that you can kill Siren/Levi right after WoF
and get the drops
but noooo, if you do it before WoF you're gated behind plant because fuck you
ashen warren
Can you slime mount iframe cheese levi?
I'm pretty sure you can't do the same with eidolon but idk.
sand umbra
tbf, if you absolutely have to gate Siren and Levi's drops to Hardmode,
just make it so you can redeem your IOU(s) at a Mythril Anvil with no extra ingredients to claim your reward.
odd orchid
I might just make that a suggestion as a reiteration of the original one
ruby cobalt
too bad there's only one scenario and it's this one
sand umbra
ashen warren
With all the non-linearity stuff already in the mod, yeah.
ruby cobalt
considering the difficulty of bosses it's also unlikely that you're gonna do them as your first boss
you'd be more geared around skele-tier to do that
which just rubs extra shit in your face
you get nothing from them just because you didn't do WoF
haHAA
odd orchid
Does AS even drop anything in PreHM besides obsolete victide mats?
ashen warren
imagine beating siren and levi, but siren and levi said
no weapons drop, only the ambergris
ruby cobalt
AS doesn't drop anything that DS doesn't
so yes, you can only get fishing shit from him, aero stone
and that's about it
odd orchid
I meant AS
ruby cobalt
yeah, I got you there
odd orchid
So AS in preHM still gives some sort of valid reward in PreHM and the HM stuff is locked behined flesh waffle. that makes sense, I do suppose.
ruby cobalt
nope, he gives you no reward
sand umbra
ruby cobalt
because that entire pool is in DS already
odd orchid
sand umbra
Everything obtainable by pre-HM AS currently is much more readily obtainable by grenading DS to death.
ruby cobalt
and on top of that you can't force his spawn
sand umbra
ruby cobalt
because seafood is locked to HM
so you'd have to be waiting for 9 years for him to spawn at sulphur sea
odd orchid
PreHM AS is literally just a way harder DS.
ruby cobalt
yup
sand umbra
The unavailability of Seafood is the most infuriating thing about pre-Hardmode AS--
ruby cobalt
"valid reward" my ass
ashen warren
AS is closer to an easier storm weaver in design tbh
odd orchid
Bro the first time I got to the PissSea in one of my paythroughs he spawned straight away
sand umbra
Except the lore item isn't really worth much at that point in the game given that you get no new weapons to combine it with.
ashen warren
2.5% extra damage or smth
odd orchid
and greater healing pots too?
ashen warren
Gamebreaking
ruby cobalt
ah, yes, greater healing pots
odd orchid
because the wiki doesn't say the GH pots are post HM
ashen warren
The stew from the abyss pots is better.
ruby cobalt
outclassed by stew and normal pots since you'll spend a damn hot minute killing AS
sand umbra
And the base stats of weapons are too low in pre-Hardmode for AS lore to give a meaningful boost.
ashen warren
-30 health yeah but you can heal way faster
and easier to obtain at that point
ruby cobalt
all for those greater healing pots which offer you extra 50 health per potion
sand umbra
Also you can get Greater Healing Potions with way less trouble pre-Hardmode.
Golden Crates.
ashen warren
Also, you can fish gold crates.
sand umbra
ashen warren
henk
ruby cobalt
AS isn't as bad as levi though anyways
odd orchid
just dodge the flying worm and his spikes & fart clouds
he's not that fast and has a large turning circle
ashen warren
not that fast
remember the best mobility you have is bundle of balloons
easy he is not
odd orchid
Coughs in skyline wings
ashen warren
skyline is outclassed by balloons pretty much all the time
odd orchid
but both at once? the game doesn't limit you to only one mobility option at a time y'kno
ashen warren
Both at once is diminishing returns.
Especially since more damage is really good to have for AS due to hp and DR amounts.
anyway
levi and AS should drop loot pre-hm
Since basically everything else had stuff like that added.
odd orchid
hmhm.I suppose if you're really up to the challenge at that point, it seems only fair. like when you decide you want a guaranteed halibut cannon drop by challenging an AdWyrm
empty geyser
Is the reason no one is voting for my suggestion because it’s at 69 rn?
odd orchid
¯_(ツ)_/¯
I mean, Seven slots is usually enough, and Wingslot essentially (and immediately) gives you another useful slot as soon as you can access wings.
sand umbra
You have 50 inventory slots, not 7.
It's not about accessory slots, Krysmun, it's about inventory slots. The big rectangle that gets filled up with shit as you attempt to farm.
harsh pivot
ah, okay
it is really broken that you can fight two previous bosses with ataxia armor
terse sundial
It's already inevitable
void kelp
that part of hardmode is also super open w/o strict progression
faint needle
fab is reworking all vanilla bosses in rev+, not all bosses iirc
terse sundial
all bosses that don't have a Rev+ AI change except for SCal are getting changed
hollow shell
Well, almost all do
Prior to this update most were minor though
Increased numbers, moves a bit faster, shoots thingies faster, etc
Now they're gettin all fleshed out
gusty geode
Is Death gonna be getting the same treatment later?
hollow shell
Probably not
Fab greatly prefers Rev over Death
He'd want the most interesting stuff in Rev
faint needle
death is like an enchaned version
nothing new, mostly just stat buffs
atleast thats aproxximately how fab wants
gusty geode
Prov's pattern is completely remade iirc
EoC spawns in second phase
Destroyer gets massive changes across the board
ML gets a second 9-eye phase
Etc
If Death is just supposed to be stat buffs, that's fine
But then why isn't it already?
smoky wagon
Death hive mind
hallow raven
1.4 Golem is gonna be stronger
queen delta
Yes inflated stats
odd orchid
literally just more health and damage, probably. i don't see them doing much that's actually interesting. hell, Even in expert mode most boses just straight up have more health and damage.
ashen warren
Yes, know that.
It is pseudo-Revengeance, has stat boosts, but no AI changes.
And new content.
odd orchid
it'll just take longer to beat bosses because stat boosts.
civic pond
fuck endurance fights
hallow raven
Is master mode gonna be anything good?
ashen warren
Yeah, it will be really hard to adapt to Vanilla after playing a lot of Calamity.
hallow raven
I'd imagine there will be "Master" mode exclusive worlds like Expert
ashen warren
But Master Mode won't have rewards, just challenge.
They should have improved Expert.
ashen warren
Yeah, it is like Death Mode. No rewards, just more pain and suffering.
ashen warren
They could add a New mechanic for Master Mode that can spice things up against bosses.
Like Rage/Adrenaline.
hallow raven
You know considering they stated they loved Calamity
I'm suprised they don't get inspired off of it
odd orchid
hallow raven
You think it will be an Scal ripoff/reference?
hallow raven
Sure seems like it, but we will see. Personally if it's litterally just an Scal Copy, Fab should have a word with them.
As for Golem, for sure he should be buffed
civic pond
I doubt they would actually ripoff scal
but the way they describe it is oddly specific 🤔
hallow raven
Also let's take this to #general-talk
terse sundial
@next palm Are those three separate suggestions or are they all one suggestion?
next palm
3 seperate
terse sundial
All could use a lot of work
queen sail
next palm
true
terse sundial
For starters, your first one doesn't make any sense
queen sail
You too
next palm
i meant cap
terse sundial
But why?
next palm
she will almost insta kill you and heal 1/4 of hp
queen sail
- Hitcap bad :ech:
- Yharon dragon, can’t speak lmao
- Why tho
void kelp
who is “she”
void kelp
oh thanks for deleting the sugg merk(?)
next palm
well thats stupid
terse sundial
Oh alright, you could just delete your entire suggestion then
void kelp
it’s the norm to ping someone when discussing a suggestion they made, so it can be confirmed for them to see it
also, the thought of bosses making fun of the player you die when you’re at low% honestly doesn’t seem like a particularly good idea because in the end a mod is supposed to be an enjoyable experience
vocal grotto
Depends on the bosses who would do it imo
Maybe DoG, but that's kinda all I can think of
void kelp
honestly dog already does that when you get hit by the head / tail
next palm
sorry for making a stupid suggestion and then removing it then saying dont ping me . I kinda lost it a little and got mod My bad guys
void kelp
that’s fine yo
zinc thunder
am i allowed to repost a suggestion that was pretty upvoted and goet buried?
void kelp
yeye
hollow shell
You can repost it if it's been a week since the original post.
hollow shell
np
void kelp
legendary summoner weapon that isn’t a worm
civic pond
hollow idol
does a weapon being “legendary” even matter anymore
void kelp
I mean, rare item variants and legendary weapons are slightly different
the latter is rev+ exclusive
hollow idol
fair
void kelp
and RIVs can be anything while the legendary weapons are well, weapons
civic pond
they really are.
queen sail
Their initial concept were extremely rare weapons meant to be viable the whole way
queen sail
Which caused balance issues because nobody used anything else
civic pond
🤔
queen sail
They are but there’s more than just “rare wep that does cool shit and is broken as shit”
hollow shell
RIVs don't scale.
queen sail
Legendaries don’t either tho
civic pond
not anymore
hollow shell
Well they used to when they were broken
queen sail
Only scaling items in calamity is community and halimeme
Scaling weapons are a prime example of “Cool in concept, terrible in execution/reality”
void kelp
( @ alchnpc )
next palm
@terse sundial sorry
sorry for making a stupid suggestion and then removing it then saying dont ping me . I kinda lost it a little and got mad My bad
terse sundial
You're fine, dw
empty geyser
As much as I'm in favour of the suggestion of the summoner weapon, I'm also worried about its viability.
hollow saffron
imagine adding in more legendary weapons
empty geyser
Imagine a suggestion actually gets implemented
hollow saffron
gusty geode
Would have to be for Prime
Twins already have a summon weapon
ashen warren
Better idea: just don’t request legendary items
hollow saffron
should i suggest adding legendary items to the "don't" list
gusty geode
Weren't the only ones that were implemented the ones that lined up with what the devs already wanted
I could very well be wrong
Don't hesitate to correct me
But that's what I've heard
hollow shell
Sure
hollow saffron
Well now it defeats the point since youre here
hollow shell
Not all suggestions that have been implemented were already planned
Many of them were things we haven't thought about and then said "yeah that's a good idea"
gusty geode
But either way
Fan demand alone's never been enough to get something in the game
hollow shell
The dev's'll never add something they don't want to add unless they're getting paid
Of course there's a dev approval component to it
Roughly 100 suggestions have been implemented thusfar, that we have documented
hollow saffron
Just 100? To the mod or both mod and server?
hollow shell
If you're talking about specific item suggestions
then
yeah, we do not implement a lot of those
hence why they got banned
hollow saffron
And yeah fan demand never seems to get things implemented on their own
Just look at Change.Org petitions
hollow shell
Roughly 300 suggestions have been approved by devs, meaning they're candidates for implementation
(though admittedly some are so buried it seems unlikely)
hollow saffron
I feel like someone could make a bot that automatically sends all suggestions with 90+ stars to a channel that only devs can access
To prevent buried suggestions
hollow shell
No I meant in the dev server
hollow saffron
Oh theres a dev server?
hollow shell
We already have a delivery channel where all the 90+ star suggestions get sent into
hollow saffron
ah
hollow shell
That's how it's been run for over a year lol
hollow saffron
Also would the 90 star requirement ever change based on the number of people in the sevrer
hollow shell
Yes, and it has in the past
It used to be 35, then 50, then 65, now 90
Seems like 90 is a good number
We haven't had to change it in a while
hollow shell
wdym?
civic pond
you mean like a template for suggs?
hollow saffron
No
I mean a template for judging a template
Like how do you decide if a suggestion should be implemented or nto
@hollow shell
hollow shell
No it's pretty much just "hey that's a good idea" then it's marked as approved
then Fab or Ozza will see it and put it in the game
civic pond
in that case..
hollow saffron
ah
hollow shell
Most of the suggestions that have been implemented have been low effort
because they're easy, can do it in 2 seconds
Changing a stat, making something drop something, etc
civic pond
Is it approved when its going to eventually added or is it approved when its added immediately
civic pond
Using 2 of mine as an example i'm not even sure if they've been reviewed
ashen warren
how would this guy like it if he had bugs to fix items to implement ais to play around with compatibility issues to fix
and u r complaining suggestions dont become a reality
ashen warren
they do but like they are as stardust pointed not huge
civic pond
i understand
ashen warren
i saw the memer with 0 brain cells
hollow shell
(You sure do like to heat conversations up, don't you billie?)
hollow saffron
^
civic pond
anyways i've been seeing a lot more checkered flags lately which is probably a good thing
ashen warren
bc i feel annoyed to see idiots memeing abt the mod without knowing shit
hollow shell
Meme suggestions get deleted almost immediately
ashen warren
cool
hollow shell
Low tolerance on that
ashen warren
ye i guessed so at least suggestions are safe
fervent zealot
meme suggestions die extremely quickly, you don't need to do anything but ping a mod
hollow shell
Or me
hollow saffron
^if a mod isnt already there
hollow shell
De-facto suggestion mod
zenith hazel
free warn iirc
fervent zealot
and if you see someone being a total dumbass it's a lot safer to just ping a mod and move on
hollow saffron
ah so you won't accept it from anyone here, sors(who is a dev), or bravi(who is a trial mod)??
im confused
ashen warren
anyway abt enrage msg im all in for that bc number of bosses i enraged is crazy
jfc
no
just move on dude
hollow shell
Sorry your wording's a lil confusing sometimes
hollow saffron
szavak?
hollow shell
Yharon especially needs to be clearer because its so catastrophic when you trigger it
ashen warren
yep
civic pond
honestly a lot of enrages have no visible sign to them
ashen warren
ye u just know when u start taking a train hit dmg
arctic notch
How does BoC dropping Ichor and EoW dropping Cursed Flames in Hardmode sound?
hollow saffron
perfs drop ichor
zenith hazel
perfs and hive already do that
hollow saffron
uh
zenith hazel
perfs and hive already do that too, to an extent
arctic notch
Bruh moment.
void kelp
@tight fractal i agree w your idea, but it needs a reason why
hollow shell
It's relatively self-explanatory
Adding a reason to the suggestion might be redundant but I would appreciate it nonetheless
hollow saffron
AS has toxic clouds?
tight fractal
With the limited arena you have in the sulfuric sea you need to see them otherwise it becomes a game of remembering were you have been instead of navigating the area. I mostly find it annoying
zenith hazel
yeah they can be pretty annoying to deal with, especially during the nighttime
void kelp
especially annoying if you fight AS in the sea
zenith hazel
well you’re supposed to fight AS in the sea
zenith hazel
you don’t even need to fly that high for AS
hollow saffron
i do tho 😳
queen delta
Yeah the toxic clouds should glow and color be changed so it stands out from background more
signal prairie
The YoYo bag is already broken as it is
placid moth
I really wouldn't mind Gauntlet having the effects of the Yoyo Bag
queen delta
I might look into making a suggestion to change yoyo bag
Gonna take some time on it tho
queen delta
- Buff yoyos base damage by 50%, but nerf yoyo glove effect by 50%.
- Secondary yoyo (from yoyo glove) now circles the player, similarly to counterweights, but doesn’t get knocked back on impact. The secondary yoyo extends farther from the player the farther the main yoyo is.
- Remove secondary yoyo, but add a “charging” effect to yoyos. Any yoyos that can shoot projectiles would increase fire rate the more it hits an enemy. True melee yoyos (yoyos that don’t shoot projectiles at all) instead get a gradual increase in damage and may gradually ignore more i-frames.
I came up with some ideas
Ill let you guys determine the best one, or if you got a new idea, add it to this list!
opal barn
I like the 3rd one tbh
queen delta
Yeah i personally like 3rd too
I had a bunch more ideas but i wanted ones that didnt just eliminate yoyo glove entirely
fierce hedge
What about a completely new Post-DoG Accessory
Like Elemental Glove
Instead of adding it to the Gaunlet
I feel that would be just REALLY powerful
zenith hazel
lore items taking up an inventory slot is their whole "gimmick", if you wanna call it that
most of them are supposed to give you buffs but you have to sacrifice an inventory space for them
combining all into 1 would defeat the purpose of their gimmick
night cradle
^
proven tide
self-stars
tawdry magnet
That’s a good suggestion imo
distant gyro
@fierce hedge not dying to fall damage/jungle thorns/beehives/evil thorns/stray enemies is a part of the challenge to an extent I guess
fierce hedge
No thats fine
But stuff like REALLY small things is just kinda unfair
Its like cheap hits
faint needle
Da is meant to be unfair
Kinda
You need to perfectly know your surrounding
That's the point
fierce hedge
Sure, But what about farming
Plus its suppose to be about bossses
Not every enemy in the game
if that was the case, Just have all things kill you even though no boss is alive
fierce hedge
Then whats the point of having it being only when a boss is alive
twin juniper
I agree with markie
thats a good idea
when a green slime hits you halway through a DoG fight in armageddon
thats not fair
plucky prairie
include damage from spikes/thorns but not fall damage or lava damage
lost agate
Thats why i either summon the boss quick or use zen potions
plucky prairie
actually maybe only damage from thorns
spikes/lava are both hazards found in the areas that you fight a couple bosses (polter, golem, WoF, and brimmy)
fierce hedge
^^
plucky prairie
the thing with thorns is that you cant permanently get rid of em easily
you'd have to get rid of the biome, which would make you potentially unable to fight the boss
ruby cobalt
you don't
proven tide
@granite owl reason?
granite owl
succ
distant gyro
that could easily be cheese in MP
granite owl
make it with arma on
distant gyro
well then
granite owl
its so annoying
karmic stone
W h y?
distant gyro
make every non-boss/boss/projectile disappear with arma on
tbh would be a better suggestion
sand umbra
Or just make them disappear on player death in general since bosses despawn when the player dies for the most part anyway.
granite owl
dafuq i should do with this every time i die
terse sundial
leave them alone?
sand umbra
using planter boxes as platforms
distant gyro
clear projectiles via cheat sheet
karmic stone
You can't fuck up by making stairs
karmic stone
Like when you're placing platforms with smartcursor sometimes you make stairs accidentally and lose 4 precious seconds of your life
granite owl
idk
karmic stone
void kelp
hm. I know that astrum aureus projectiles break on them
granite owl
yes they can
karmic stone
@granite owl Back on topic just wait 10 seconds and thats it
granite owl
too much
granite owl
i'm already waiting 10 seconds after death
distant gyro
how hard could that be