What XultroniX said, most bosses being immune to some debuffs is just 
#suggestions-discussion
karmic stone
Brimmy is immune to that one debuff crumbling pots inflict
void kelp
coughs @ Betsy’s Curse
around when literally get weapons that can inflict it everything is immune to it
ashen warren
Since every worm boss that exists is immune to debuffs I don't see why massively buffing all the flames debuffs and then nerfing the straight damage of the weapons would be bad.
Then also remove debuff immunities.
karmic stone
Make all DoTs great again from now on
void kelp
would make elemental blaster useful
ashen warren
great again meme
2019
It would add a sort of niche to weapons that's vastly underused.
tawdry magnet
ashen warren
It could help melee feel less bloated by not actually removing anything, just changing how a lot work.
debuff meta wehn
ashen warren
And last I checked blaster was big outclassed by shredder, onyx, clockwork bow, and some other stuff.
tawdry magnet
clockwork bow 🤔
karmic stone
for Provi*
tawdry magnet
yeah no
karmic stone
Have you tried it?
ashen warren
have you like, used it?
tawdry magnet
has the clockwork bow been changed?
radiant meadow
elysian should be better than terra arrows now
karmic stone
No, it's always been good
tawdry magnet
weird
ashen warren
It's daedalus stormbow but like 20 and they go through tiles.
radiant meadow
since terra arrows were nerfed and elysian was buffed
tawdry magnet
maybe I was using it wrong??
iirc the arrows came up from the ground or something though?
ashen warren
..yeah that don't sound right
ashen warren
flames debuff suggestion
karmic stone
Ah right
ashen warren
Buffing them all massively while commensurately nerfing the power damage of the weapons.
tawdry magnet
debuff stuff would have to look obvious tho idk, maybe like ichor
idk how it could not look really trashy but like, flames coming off the boss or smth? nah
just so there's a visual kinda response
karmic stone
Ichor and Cursed flames were buffed, and i expected CF to be somewhat on pair with Ichor with 5% less DR- but DoT, but no, Ichor is still so much better
radiant meadow
@mild sail why though
civic pond
karmic stone
ashen warren
troll suggestion much?
mild sail
why?
karmic stone
radiant meadow
yes, why
civic pond
meme suggestion
ashen warren
civic pond
aw yes
radiant meadow
ye, shit posting isn't gonna fly here
arctic wren
mild sail
its a good meme though look it up on youtube its funny for certain people
ashen warren
go away
karmic stone
:whyisnitrolikethis:
karmic stone
So back on track all Dot should be buffed x1000
karmic stone
Thats the point
ashen warren
Imagine if GSI dealt like 25K dps.
Then you just nerfed the base damage of the weapons that inflict it.
karmic stone
I normally use "buffed DoT debuffs" for any playtrough because of how bad most are
mod*
So are we gonna keep talking about this or actually try and make the sugg 
zenith hazel
this is giving me flashbacks to the time yoyos were everywhere in sug
karmic stone
Did anything actually come from it?
ashen warren
accidentally posted
tired haven
Hey uh does anyone wanna chain repeaters suggestions? 
We only have like 5 for whole game
zenith hazel
people love to expand subclasses tbf
civic pond
meep
ashen warren
tawdry magnet
subclasses are good
I mean everyone and their mum's done ranger/mage/shit like that
karmic stone
But isn't chaining prohibited because if a chain sugg gets accepted then devs will likely receive something like:
"The suggestion before me could use something like..."
terse sundial
Yes, that is one of the reasons why chaining isn't allowed
zenith hazel
but do the subclasses desperately need an expansion?
arctic wren
exo throwing knives 
civic pond
Desperately? no.
civic pond
but subclasses make a class overall more interesting and fun to play instead of sticking to one weapon type
zenith hazel
ah yes, why not, the perfect reason
tawdry magnet
eventually
tawdry magnet
yeah, I've said it's not high priority but it would be nice to expand subclasses in the future
ashen warren
Finish the Lunar Upgrade set
Description
Yeah, you know the mediocre Mourningstar and the fabulous Phangasm, along with the dual choices of SoTC and Empyrean knives as proper weapons within the mod. But while they duly represent their respective factions, I believe we're missing two of the current five. Namely Stardust and Nebula. Is this due to the overall mediocrity of Nebula? The spaghetti code of Stardust? Or is it due to the overall superiority of Solar, Vortex, and Meld?
:why:?
An upgrade of their respective weapon should be implemented not only for balancing out the tier set, but also for weapon variety at around that point. For heavens sake, two of summoning's recommended weapons are from the last tier entirely. And two of magic's recommended items are patreon weapons, which isn't to stick it to them, but if the patrons see that as an open slot to improve variety for viable weapons, there might be something a bit lacking. In fact, I'm wondering how Ranger and Melee got their respective lunar factions in, being both fairly bloated classes, while mage and summoner are left in the dust. The upgrades for the Stardust and Nebula faction would remedy the problem of variety and faction balance if implemented.
civic pond
One of nebula pillars weapons gets an indirect upgrade in the form of ghastly visage
other than that... blarp.
terse sundial
I don't know tbh
ashen warren
that's kinda like saying that the mechworm is technically a stardust dragon upgrade
plucky prairie
is it better to have 2 or 3 suggestions in one message or 2 or 3 messages with one suggestion
terse sundial
depends
civic pond
eeeh
ashen warren
Are they related to each other?
terse sundial
if the suggestions are related, together. If not, then seperate
civic pond
they all get upgrades kinda late
plucky prairie
unrelated for the most part
terse sundial
separate, but I would separate them by posting time also
instead of posting 2-3 suggestions right now, post one today and one tomorrow
plucky prairie
understandable
ashen warren
anything to change about my suggestion?
arctic wren
summoners really need something for yharon that isn't the silly mechworm
ashen warren
mechworm.exe
arctic wren
in said mechworm
... not that I'd mind if mechworm became craftable with the stardust dragon staff being one of the components
but an actual, new stardust dragon upgrade isn't necessary at all
And two of magic's recommended items are patreon weapons, which isn't to stick it to them, but if the patrons see that as an open slot to improve variety for viable weapons, there might be something a bit lacking.
commenting on that
ashen warren
go ahead
radiant meadow
ghastly visage is pretty much a nebula arcanum upgrade
ashen warren
still a tier behind, byeah
zenith hazel
mechworm is essentially a better stardust dragon
queen delta
how about nebula blaze upgrade tho
arctic wren
I was considering for my patreon item either a stardust cell upgrade for yharon or a summon weapon for duke
I went with the duke option in the end (because the rest of late-hm also is painful as summoner)
but still... kinda says something that those were the two parts in the game where I really thought a new summon was/is necessary
ashen warren
nebula what
oh
I thought it was the nebula gauntlet
What I'm aiming for is for a Stardust Cell upgrade and a Nebula Blaze upgrade
As those are the overlooked weapons
The moab already flies upwards as fast as the jetpack while holding up.
ashen warren
It's entire thing is massively good vertical movement with meh side movement.
You can't just use tooltips, testing in-game gives a much better idea of how something works.
plucky prairie
then why the heck isnt it in the tooltip
tawdry magnet
tooltips are dumb sometimes ¯_(ツ)_/¯
ashen warren
Also it sorta is.
sand umbra
Yeah the MOAB has kingly vertical acceleration as is.
ashen warren
It says "good vertical speed" instead of "average" iirc.
sand umbra
smh doesn't say "amazing vertical speed" because it has to hide its awesome power smh smh smh
tawdry magnet
smh my head
plucky prairie
edited my suggestion
lost agate
@wild yoke just put the helmet in the vanity slot or smth
ashen warren
does anyone even stream, or care
and can nons even stream
I'm not sure if people below cooldude, mod, dev, etc can stream, but also, I don't think that there's enough people cooldude+ included to warrant a channel for that
terse sundial
CD+ has stream perms in the public voice chats only
queen delta
Hm? I never knew this
terse sundial
We could change it so that others can stream, or we could have a role for it
personally I don't really care though
queen delta
Never been one to host or watch streams personally
zenith hazel
the thing is, VC can only hold so many people
ashen warren
A Damage over Time debuff Rework
or DoTs for short
So, currently if a debuff doesn't reduce defence or DR then said debuff is pretty much a waste of time, hurting both fps and the potential to have more variety without actually adding anything.
Stuff like God Slayer Inferno dealing 250 dps, or Nightwither dealing 200, Plague dealing 100, Holy Flames dealing 50, and so on are entirely unacceptable low amounts of damage for when you can inflict them.
And as for potential, DoTs aren't affected by and damage or crit boosts but ignore defence and DR, allowing for finer-tuned balancing.
They have lingering damage, giving some strategy potential such as using a debuff weapon during the many cocoon phases, or hitting boss minions for the debuff and switching to a different weapon to keep up pressure on the boss, killing the minions slower but rewarding skillful play that adapts to new situations by increasing total dps.
Finally, they are amazing for weapons centered around crowd control and just general non-boss enemy clearing, the balancing factor being of course tile ignoring and pierce.
I propose an across the board rebalance, and a big one at that.
By buffing the dps of DoTs massively, reducing the overall damage of the section of weapons centered around debuff dps, and removing most DoT immunities from bosses that aren't worms, DoTs would not only become relevant, but could take a fairly hefty spot in the metagame of calamity.
And yes, it would take a great deal of effort, but I believe it would greatly enhance the quality of the whole mod.
@karmic stone Finally done. 
grizzled matrix
Why is it in #suggestions-discussion though?
terse sundial
for review
ashen warren
It's so people can bash it before it's even posted 
brittle merlin
that’s how suggestions should be imo
ashen warren
So, thoughts?
queen delta
Agreed tbh
terse sundial
I've got no problems with it
queen delta
DoTs seem incredibly underwhelming in calamity
brittle merlin
I enjoy suggestion
ashen warren
Got yat's star.
brittle merlin
I will star
ashen warren
It's been too long since I've suggested, heck my last one was this, 7 months ago.
karmic stone
Your suggs are really good man
zenith hazel
they're getting buffed in the next update anyway
terse sundial
they are?
fleet night
Couldnt you just use that one mod that buffs damage over time debuffs to do more damage?
ashen warren
DoTs??
terse sundial
I wasn't informed of this
queen delta
Didnt know this either
ashen warren
And arcana, technically yes but also no.
This way it's official and therefore usable in nohits and stuff.
And also balanced by fab.
karmic stone
@fleet night Its only mostly noticeable from Pre HM and early HM
Plus this is for Calamity, [X] mod already does that is not an excuse
terse sundial
very
karmic stone
Sooo... dark has been doing this sugg for like 2 hours for nothing?
terse sundial
what
ashen warren
@zenith hazel Were you talking about DoTs getting buffed or ore rogue weapons?
karmic stone
Same here
terse sundial
afaik there was no mention of debuff buffs on the dev server nor in changelogs
Hardmode ore Rogue weps though are getting buffed
karmic stone
I think a global DoT buff would be changelog-worthy so it would be weird for it to not be in
queen delta
All post-DoG class accessories inflict Stunned debuff that no bosses are immune to 
sinful violet
ashen warren
Fixed a grammar error
zenith hazel
I was referring to the rogue weaps yea, sorry for the confusion
terse sundial
alright
ashen warren
Cool.
spark flax
i support this balance content
my only complaint might be
that late game weapons that can debuff en masse (i.e. elemental-tier weapons, etc.) might have to have their debuff rates changed to make it work
ashen warren
I mean, the devs aren't stupid.
I'd expect them to realize this, but I'll add it!
proven tide
bruh
queen schooner
That's a valid reason?
proven tide
no
sleek wadi
So fun history lesson: Back during the time when DoG was getting a rework basically every patch, all of the sentinels fighting at once was tested. Turns out the attack patterns are incredibly incompatible, resulting in many situations where you're forced to eat a hit. So to keep the sentinel phase, the sentinels simply spawned 1 at a time instead.
So that suggestion is already dead in the water as it already existed before and sucked. It'd be even worse with the current sentinels, especially CV's succ bullshit
proven tide
^
queen schooner
Yikes, 3 sentinels at once would just be a DPS race to see who dies first
hollow idol
weave
whole stag
That's why it's just an item now.
It will be a great challenge for so long as it doesn't impede progression
Like how all three mech bosses at once isn't required at all.
sleek wadi
Unavoidable damage is not a challenge, it's a DPS race. Meaning that the challenge is fundamentally broken because either it's literally impossible to win or so easy that you'd have to lose on purpose.
whole stag
Isn't that what Draedon's remote is also going to do?
Well at least the remote has an achievement for doing so, so it has a purpose.
whole stag
I mean, The 'summon all mech bosses and defeat them' achievement.
placid moth
Does that justify spawning all 3 sentinels and DoG at once
sleek wadi
That is the other issue, Draedon's Remote has albeit flimsy reason to exist which is a convenient Mecha Mayhem achievement. This sentinel item has no such backing
proven tide
HAH
I just realised
@whole stag that's a specific item suggestion and requires deletion 👀
whole stag
I see...
zenith hazel
isn't ranger already busted pre-hm anyway?
whole stag
I read the rules again, but I'm not sure if it's still not following the rule in it's current edit.
sleek wadi
Ranger is already busted for everything that isn't Scal
whole stag
Pre-HM Bee's Knees will solve literally everything tbh.
earnest raptor
Ranger are strong.
Frostburn arrows
Onyx blaster
Daedalus memebow
Bee's Knees
Chlorophyte Shotbow
Tsunami and Phantasm
Chloro and Verium Bullets
rustic ember
Minishark and Megashark
opal barn
Okay you don't have to list out every ranged weapon
bitter topaz
@earnest raptor please atleast try and be serious in here.
zenith hazel
last I checked, not all yoyos and flails sucked
ashen warren
@ thomas tbh
zenith hazel
ranger is strong pre-hm already, it doesn't need another tool to boost its viability even further
whole stag
Well the argument stated was consistency, but... I don't think anything should add up to consistency.
It's also saying that we also need two corruption fish like we have in crimson now.
frail mantle
I think a Draedon’s Remote but for the Sentinels has been suggested before
faint needle
the devs confirmed that sentinel mayhem would be an absolute hell to fight
warm tinsel
Why not add it as a little challenge?
Possibly reworking their behavior a bit
(CV won't use succ and SW won't nyoom)
karmic stone
Because again, its not a fun challenge
Ah i didn't see that reworking part, but still, that would be low priority considering its a challenge with no rewards
radiant meadow
There's already enough things on the dev agenda. The attacks clash too much to be a fair fight. It also doesn't have any lore connections.
Reworking them will take many ai changes to prevent clashes.
whole stag
We'll still see. It will be fun, at least, on some cases. It might be possible to do with Fargo's mod.
faint needle
Anyway, if you want sentinel mayhem wait like, 10 mins for all three to spawn in dog phase 1.5
night cradle
^
hollow saffron
no need to buff an easy prehardmode boss
civic pond
"its too good for boss therefore nerf it"
zenith hazel
bruh
loud arrow
Too random and cheap, no?
If demon spawn in lava or something you would have WoF and probably die
hollow shell
Too random, yeah
At least's Death Mode spawns come with like a 1-minute pre-emptive warning message
It's be impossible to warn for that
frail mantle
sounds more like a maso thing than a Death thing tbh
hollow saffron
i agre
distant gyro
@plucky prairie Isn't dash priority based on the order of slots (top will override bottom)
plucky prairie
i was testing it a bit ingame and the results were inconclusive
terse sundial
Statis belts overwride the Asgards, Elysian, and Asgardian dashes only iirc
hollow saffron
counter scarf overrides all
plucky prairie
when i had the statis' belt in the second to bottom slot it would have higher priority than the asgard's valor but it wouldnt in the other slots
i dont know what the deal is with it
distant gyro
if asgard is on the top slot it'll override the belt I think
terse sundial
I think a better suggestion would be to have the dash overrides consistent rather then making them toggleable
plucky prairie
but what if you dont want a dash?
when you're building, a dash can be quite inconvenient
terse sundial
How many people actually don't want to dash?
well, you could switch out the accessory while building
hollow saffron
well when im fighting scal i dont want to dash accidentally
plucky prairie
but what if the area is too dangerous for that
terse sundial
alright
plucky prairie
and dashes are especially annoying on a lower end computer if the frames slow down quite a bit
hollow saffron
^
plucky prairie
because im pretty sure the double tap is timed in frames, not actual time
drifting radish
double tapping for dash is fun but after i broke my fingers how do i dash?
hollow saffron
did you break all your fingers
drifting radish
not yet
hollow saffron
terse sundial
@frosty badger Calamity already makes town NPCs immune to all debuffs
Otherwise it's a fine suggestion
frosty badger
But not immune to a 300+ hit from buffed event bosses
It's obnoxious to die in buffed Pumpkin Moon, spawn, then 3 Pumpkings spawn near me and wipe out 3/4 of my town before I can teleport away
The point of the suggestion is for NPCs to be able to survive a stray hit or two from post-ML bosses
queen sail
This is why I have Friendly NPCs Don’t Die
Sure it makes Nurse Cheese an option again but I’d rather not have to wait 20 years for them to respawn because of a few stray Pumpking Scythes
hollow shell
Rev did recently make Nurse cheese a lot more expensive
Prices scale throughout the game, and prices are multiplied by 5 during bosses
So you can still do it but only if you're loaded
Good suggestion, Toast
steel raptor
thanks
smoky wagon
@ashen warren maybe wormhole potions also for multiplayer
void kelp
@harsh pivot it kind of exists, it’s called frost moon
harsh pivot
but frost moon is an event, the idea is a blizzard mini-boss post plantera
hollow saffron
desert moon when
elfin swan
Blood sun
harsh pivot
Blood Eclipse
hollow shell
@spice fern What?
terse sundial
We aren't gonna re-add specific items to the Shrine Chest just to make it easier to find them via tEdit
terse sundial
All shrines spawn in the same
spice fern
so there should be a way to find the item without cheating it in
hollow shell
You get lucky
terse sundial
Spelunker Potion
spice fern
if you throw a swim fin or something in each one then they can be found in tedit
hollow shell
You're not supposed to be able to find em easily
terse sundial
^
radiant meadow
shrines look pretty unique on the map if you reveal everything anyways
hollow shell
They're supposed to be like, nice surprises that you occasionally come across when mining
spice fern
thats fine but how do i know they are there at all?
radiant meadow
you don't need to know they are there
spice fern
because i just tore apart my whole desert with an onyx excavator
radiant meadow
hence why none of them are necessary for progression
spice fern
and it aint there
spice fern
necessary for fargo
spice fern
so then give no way to troubleshoot the world having hiccups?
radiant meadow
the fact that it's necessary for fargo's souls is not something we need to deal with
hollow shell
Indeed
spice fern
that's fine but you should allow people to figure out whether their world gen is broke
hollow shell
Can't you just reveal your worldmap and look around for it?
Doesn't tEdit have a "show chests" thing?
I know some worldviewers do
spice fern
that's what i've been doing
terse sundial
it might
spice fern
Tedit doesnt let you see chests only content
hence the suggestion
you can see chests but only if you see them
hollow shell
That'd odd.
Might wanna download a dedicated worldviewer program
spice fern
not by searching chest types
lost agate
then just use heros mod map reveal
hollow shell
I know I've used one in the past which allowed you to see chests
terse sundial
There are other methods besides tEdit for sure
ashen warren
You can also just use tedit to manually search for the shrine.
It's a pretty obvious structure, it's not just a chest.
hollow saffron
imagine using tedit to basically cheat 
spice fern
@ashen warren again, assuming it's actually there
hollow saffron
ashen warren
Then, make a new small world and search through that desert?
ashen warren
I have no doubts that terry knows that shrines can be fucky.
That's part of the masochism.
radiant meadow
I think TerraMap is the name of a program that could search for chests easier.
idk if it's up to date or not
queen sail
There’s a difference between making things legitimately hard to grind for and making them bullshit
spice fern
well alright. maybe the wiki should state that shrines aren't 100% chance then
spice fern
@queen sail well you wanna back me up on the "calamity bad circlejerk" discord then?
queen sail
Uhhhhh
spice fern
@ashen warren so maybe that should be mentioned on the wiki?
queen sail
No not really
spice fern
fair enough @queen sail
hollow shell
Bugs aren't documented on the wiki
terse sundial
^
spice fern
why?
hollow shell
Because they're inherently unintended, and if we allowed them we'd be getting a bunch of people posting bug reports on pages instead of #bugs-read-pins
queen sail
Unless you have a legitimate reason to ask them to modify their calamity stuff (like bugs) then chances are they won’t do it
lost agate
Wh
theres stuff literally implemented instantly you know
its just has to have a proper reason
and what good would you get out of that? "ah yes shrine aint there" well that aint gonna fix much if its for trouble shooting
and i know just how awful worldgen can be
spice fern
okay, i guess that's fair, it isn't a solution
but there's a million possibilities that could be going wrong and i have no way of testing
how do i know if i straight up can't get the shrines on any world?
lost agate
cant you just use heros mod then?
spice fern
and i don't think "it's not intended that you actually find them" is valid
sorry, i was a little frustrated but now i'm just trying to figure out how to approach the issue
lost agate
wh-who said its not intended that you actually find them
its intended to be hard to find not downright impossible
karmic stone
Someone said not intended to be found easily*
lost agate
well that doesnt mean unable to be found at all
gusty geode
Would it be possible to make shrine items be fishable?
It's not often acknowledged but fishing is vanilla's way to get items that failed to generate in worlds
See dungeon and jungle crates
Could do that for shrine items
As well as other stuff that vanilla doesn't already cover
ashen warren
So just, adding them to crates but at an obscene rarity?
spice fern
what about a "my worldgen is fucked" item that makes them appear?
karmic stone
If You geniunely believe its your worldgen's fault, then cheat it in
ashen warren
If you mean something like the calamity biome generator then uh, no.
proven tide
Is that a fucken selfstar
civic pond
can u cant
ashen warren
hi vetus
spice fern
again, no way to tell if the worldgen actually is fucked
ashen warren
What are you looking for?
spice fern
well i guess there might be, i need to test terramap
ashen warren
Like, what do you want?
karmic stone
How long have you been searching for?
ashen warren
To find the shrines?
To get the items without them?
An item that tries shrine gen again?
congrats on the 90 stars, Sequence
Thank you! 
Now hopefully it gets considered
sad to say that's gonna go something like:
"did someone pay for this"
"n-
"then perish"
wild yoke
yeah, I have often wondered on the fate of suggestions in that channel
sand umbra
Spoiler alert that I can totally confirm (not really):
Now that specific item suggs aren't the only thing in there anymore, a lot more suggs after the fact probably get in.
gusty geode
If uniqueness is an issue
Would it be possible to remove shrine items from the fishing loot table after they've been obtained once?
civic pond
but none reviewed 😔
spice fern
@ashen warren i guess i don't know specifically what i want but it'd be nice to have some acknowledgment that there is an issue and an attempt at a solution rather than "sucks to suck" or "ya it's bugged but we aren't going to tell you anywhere unless you ask for a fix for us to shut down"
sand umbra
Would it be possible to remove shrine items from the fishing loot table after they've been obtained once?
Oh, easily.
All you'd have to do is set a flag for the player when fishing up the shrine item, and check for that flag whenever the shrine item would be fished up.
If the flag is false and the shrine item is rolled, allow it to come up. If the flag is true and the shrine item is rolled, reroll the catch, and repeat until a different catch is rolled.
It's relatively simple, anyway, or at least I imagine so.
Though, given what game we're talking about here, very little about programming for it is ever necessarily simple.
spice fern
Anyway, a "my worldgen is bunk" consumable allows people to actually fix the problems and could be documented on the wiki
ashen warren
imagine fishin
sand umbra
hueh
ashen warren
civic pond
:(
tired haven
though tbf if you lose it out of shrine it's even worse
sand umbra
The flag would only be set if the player successfully fishes up the catch, of course;
wouldn't wanna unnecessarily make life miserable for e.g. Fargo's players needing shrine items for enchants--
wild yoke
well, I feel like luxor's gift and murasama are the only really good shrine items
the rest are cool, but kinda situational/not very helpful
looking at you, angry dog mount
spice fern
So I used Terramap. Desert shrine has a steampunk chest. Was unable to find a steampunk chest, and hence no desert shrine, in 3/4 worlds.
gusty geode
You shouldn't have to do that
void kelp
iirc the game actively tries to find a place to spawn the shrine
but if it keeps encountering errors it gives up to prevent it from failing to fully generate the world
queen delta
Just have any failed shrines spawn right next to the player’s spawnpoint iirc
void kelp
in bugs:
hey I spawned in my world but a bunch of shrines ar on my face
queen delta
distant gyro
@timber thicket there will be
void kelp
Lpretty sure the only thing stopping it is the lack of sprites
timber thicket
o
lost agate
^
hollow shell
Why the fuck those trophies haven't been sprited/added yet is anyone's guess
And masks for that matter
minor birch
Calamity mod for android 1.3
zenith hazel
modding on mobile is hard iirc
minor birch
Oh men, don't say me that :( i wanna enjoy the mod
ashen warren
thanks
dusty stirrup
minor birch
Well, i have a friend, jbro, he and me have a app terraria mod, maybe we can help u
dusty stirrup
It's not that simple lol
You can't just port a mod, especially one this big, to mobile
minor birch
Maybeis not simple, but we got experience, and we can try, u know
dusty stirrup
Even before we would consider doing that, we have other things prioritised first
like rogue expansion, draedon, crag revamp, etc.
signal prairie
Plus, bosses like DoG, Providence, Yharon, and Scal, would be a 1 fps fight on mobile
minor birch
Okay, i understand, i just saying, we can help to expand the community to android,
short edge
Oh k
Sorry im tired, i must have forgotten.
Its 11 at night and I just got done getting to hardmode in a revengance throwing class playthrough
worthy fiber
As of the moment there is a Russian wiki and a Chinese wiki on wikia
terse sundial
@fierce hedge I really enjoy that idea, problem is that most of our wiki editors speak English only. We would need to hire new people which isn't easy for a wiki team to do.
Russian Wikia is apparently wild
placid moth
Lol
worthy fiber
iirc Gamepedia was gonna have them move, don't know what progress they have
terse sundial
No clue
worthy fiber
Chinese wiki doesn't have a lot of content, but it's being worked on
Russian wikia is superior due to animated images & personalised profiles iirc
placid moth
It's so difficult to translate some of Calamity's stuff into Chinese
I guess I could try
terse sundial
We would need to consult the rest of the wiki team about it first
placid moth
Like, Drataliornus isn't a word that can be translated, so the translation process would be to find words that sound similar to the English syllables.
void kelp
I could try to do some Spanish localization but it won’t be pretty
placid moth
I am dying from some of the Chinese translation
fierce hedge
I'm Dutch and if I want to, I could sign up to Translate
void kelp
how would you go about making another language on a wiki anyways
fierce hedge
Due to people maybe not speaking English too well
earnest raptor
Russian wikia is superior due to animated images & personalised profiles iirc
Russian wikia are hosted on Fandom
Fandom is one of worst places to host wiki on it.
terse sundial
FANDOM owns gamepedia now
fierce hedge
And instead of different wikis, Have them all on the official Calamity wiki
terse sundial
earnest raptor
I hope that Fandom doesn't will corrupt Gamepedia.
void kelp
I hope it doesn’t
terse sundial
The other problem is that the mod is ever changing
terse sundial
If your suggestion hit 90 start, i'll send to #wiki-advanced
earnest raptor
It's one service for wikies, that doesn't offer so much ads for full MediaWiki engine.
void kelp
I think the base thing we could do are translate the guide pages
earnest raptor
@fierce hedge sorry, but your suggestion requires a insane amount of effort for vague results.
void kelp
and basic informational content I suppose
fierce hedge
@earnest raptor again, Not only the Dev team would work on it
earnest raptor
Like, Calamity have 1000+ unique items
placid moth
1000 ?
earnest raptor
Who will translate them?
placid moth
People
fierce hedge
Basic members can upload pages
oak temple
as far as i know wikia's are very not good to work on
pretty sure not even the original owner can delete them
fierce hedge
And the devs will take a look at it
void kelp
wikia bad, gamepedia better
oak temple
you can have translations on gampedias
earnest raptor
Wikia are only for kids that doesn't have a moneys to support full-fledged MediaWiki engine for good encyclopedia.
void kelp
big problem I see here is that it relies on trusting the community
terse sundial
We can do translations, but imo it should happen once the mod is concluded
void kelp
yeah, it is? there’s no way to regulate a foreign language unfortunately
terse sundial
since the mod is ever changing, it would be difficult to catch up
fierce hedge
True. But have it as a beta
earnest raptor
As we know from Dokuro's vidoes, Calamity's community is bunch of annoying undertale fan childs. We shouldn't give them access to project simular to Wiki.
fierce hedge
And look how many members we havd
terse sundial
noone, not even me is willing to spend 100 hours within 2 weeks just to get things done on the wiki
fierce hedge
I think we could catch up
terse sundial
We will see
hollow saffron
@fierce hedge to avoid the Pewdiepie translator situation, have at least ONE trusted translator who can check to make sure translations are accurate
elfin swan
It probably would be a problem though
faint needle
Yeah
one translator checking like, 3000 pages is too much
youd need like, 15
and that would be for every language
well, every language thats worth to be translated
elfin swan
Not to mention there's the problem of people mistranslating
faint needle
And that
queen delta
Yeah we should have a role called Defiled Soul for those who complete the challenge
The color should be light green or something
opal barn
@copper flame there already is a role
hollow shell
Is Death Mode required for Defiled Soul?
hollow shell
Well there you go
Not quite the same :P
opal barn
hollow can also be done on rev or death and it doesn't need 2 roles
queen delta
Everyone shall suffer with mimic farming
None of the mimic drops need recipes since you can easily grind mimics at jungle temple
copper flame
@opal barn i cant see it :\
opal barn
Defiled soul :\
opal barn
god seeing people call it dad mode makes me cringe yes, defiled armageddon basically
hollow shell
@scarlet flicker I recommend removing the exact recipe
scarlet flicker
Ok
hollow shell
Good suggestion otherwise
scarlet flicker
Thx
queen delta
I guess i can see cross necklace needing a recipe since its involved in 2 recipes
scarlet flicker
I Specifically want that to be a recipe because of the deific amulet
Cuz i always go for it
But ok
queen delta
You can just grind in jungle temple, even if pre-mechs
radiant meadow
90% of people with defiled Soul did it in death and you aren't really allowed to suggest new roles @copper flame
autumn kiln
there's no point in making a role solely for DAD mode
hollow shell
That's not a rule anywhere afaik, Achilles
copper flame
So how to name it? Or it will be like that
Someone: Hello friend i just bet Defiled mode Armaggedon Death mode
His friend: You mean DAD yeah?
radiant meadow
Well it says you're not allowed to ask for roles
scarlet flicker
@queen delta when i was grinding for the necklace all i had were Corroslimes
radiant meadow
Well, the suggested role is still redundant with DS and DI
autumn kiln
I imagine role suggestions are fine (correct me if I'm wrong) but like
who is even gonna want them???????
yeah exactly
queen delta
You should probably gear up more before you grind
scarlet flicker
Ok
autumn kiln
those that beat DAD mode already have Defiled Soul and Dead Inside. There is no point in having a role that combines both of them.
radiant meadow
Not every achievement needs its own personal reward
queen delta
“Defiled Inside”
copper flame
@radiant meadow First of all 90% Second But not all with Armageddon Third Yeah i cant dont kill me i forgot
Deleted
autumn kiln
not all with armageddon
You do realise that to get those roles you need to nohit bosses
and nohitters use armageddon regardless.
radiant meadow
Armageddon doesn't make a difference in nohits
copper flame
Yeah true
scarlet flicker
So They will instantly die if they take a Hit
copper flame
End me pls
radiant meadow
Its the same whether you nohit on or off
scarlet flicker
Ok
autumn kiln
armageddon is just a QoL item for nohitters mainly
copper flame
Seenoc you need to write >spacebar
queen delta
Also a way to grind boss drops quicker
scarlet flicker
Cuz of the 5-6 treasure bags
autumn kiln
that too but that's mainly for farming at a later stage in the game
from my experience
queen delta
Pretty sure thats what armageddon was intended for anyways
scarlet flicker
Honestly Revengence and desth should Add 7-8 Treasure bags per kill
queen delta
It just happened to be incredibly convenient for nohitters
scarlet flicker
For the armageddon
autumn kiln
fun fact, armageddon used to give you 11 bags on death mode
autumn kiln
but idk, I feel like the 6 is fine as is.
night cradle
^
scarlet flicker
It should be 7 for Revengence and 8 for death
scarlet flicker
queen delta
Does revengeance item work at all if your world is on normal mode?
queen sail
Imagine playing normal
hollow shell
Alternatively:
An item just to toggle Expert Mode in a world?
It's possible, Thorium has em
night cradle
that'd be a nice thing to have
considering you have now to make an entirely new world just for expert
queen delta
Reduced grinding has expert change potion iirc
hollow shell
(Never heard of it)
hollow shell
Have not.
sand umbra
it's sold by the Merchant.
Why the Merchant? I have no idea, probably to make it easy-ish to obtain.
radiant meadow
I would prefer expert toggle rather than rev forcing into expert
even if it's in the tooltip in all caps, I wouldn't be surprised if people complain or accidentally use it
ruby cobalt
case on point: IH
queen delta
Aight ill change it to be an item
ashen warren
using rev triggers expert? is that a Masochist Mode From Fargo's Souls Mod reference?
lost agate
fargos is the new jojo
ashen warren
so rev prime has DR while arms are alive, just like Masochist Mode From Fargo's Souls Mod
lost agate
prime is gonna do muda sometime soon
queen sail
Wait you’re telling me
Relogic didn’t even give prime the same gimmick as his predecessor
Bruh they actually didn’t
lost agate
They didnt give prime anything at all
ashen warren
galaxy brain red makes expert skeletron a god and then does literally nothing to prime, leaving the latter with no projectile on his own and a slower spin than the pre-hm boss he's "upgraded" from
queen sail
Red put all of his effort for expert in prehm bosses and then called it a day
Bc hardmode bosses barely get any shit (except plant and duke)
queen delta
Yet all phm bosses except skeletron and WoF can be skipped
radiant meadow
expert plantera is way too much of a mess imo
the tentacles are just tanky and there's so many more of them
queen sail
Well they at least got something
sand umbra
Vanilla Expert AIs need more love, mainly in Hardmode.
The Mechs do like nothing in Expert. 
sand umbra
queen sail
They didn’t even bother to give anything new to their final boss
Then again I don’t think anyone would anything new from a mess like that
:echprime:
cobalt rose
@wild yoke the "improved" refers to the fact it is more powerful than the regular dash
night cradle
^
radiant meadow
it's not better than tabi/master ninja gear anymore 
cobalt rose
what about SoC dash?
radiant meadow
well, asgard's valor is the first non mode locked dash besides cryo lore and tabi
cobalt rose
nobody plays calamity on normal mode
radiant meadow
tabi is obtainable at the same tier and is longer
people do play on normal mode like all the time
swift bison
is there a visual indication of where yharon's enrage height begins?
smoky wagon
statis’s belt and asgard’s valor are interesting counterparts
radiant meadow
no
cobalt rose
I never had problems with the enrage height, honestly.
hollow shell
Please god add an indicator
cobalt rose
just make an indicator platfrom in your arena lole
hollow shell
How would I know where to put the platforms
There's literally nothing telling you the height he gets enraged at
opal barn
because you're technically leaving the bordernados that he creates
by going above them
swift bison
yeah and then you have to perfectly measure that out
cobalt rose
so?
swift bison
and then if you change modes it gets invalidated
sand umbra
If players have to rely on the wiki to know his enrage height, you've done something wrong.
There is no indicator that going up too high enrages him, aside from the enrage effects --- and not everyone can instantly put that together.
swift bison
can i add this to the base suggestion?
sand umbra
¯_(ツ)_/¯
I'm just giving my two cents.
There needs to be a tell for these things.
Otherwise it's just not fair.
proven ember
Is it possible to make the Hive Pod sentry able to stand on platforms, like the vanilla Queen Spider and Frost Hydra?
radiant meadow
iirc platform collision is difficult to code
lost agate
Yes because they arent entirely solid
proven ember
Mmm I see
lost agate
I know this because rox would make you get stuck with the alt fire when you touched a platform
And rox was set to collide on tiles so....
proven ember
Probably it doesn't only depend on the vertical distance
between the tile and the position where you click your mouse
lost agate
It doesnt really have to do with mouse position or anything
Platforms are just not solid enough
The game doesnt consider it a solid tile
proven ember
radiant meadow
@harsh pivot not happening. Dune Hopper is meant to be a rare variant of the Scourge of the Desert, so they should be the same tier and drop from the same thing.
Moreover, the rogue expansion will introduce many rogue weapons including a planned AS a rogue drop that will be an entirely separate weapon from Dune Hopper.
harsh pivot
@dim matrix thank you of the advise
radiant meadow
hollow idol
so why is the sug still up then
terse sundial
It's a valid suggestion, it would just get rejected if sent though
It doesn't really violate anything though, so no need to remove stars
dusty stirrup
Should just remove it if it won't happen tho
void kelp
add it maybe to the “suggestion donts”?
smoky wagon
isnt there a reaction for suggestions that wont be implemented
zenith hazel
scal’s hearts are tanky?
pliant bone
Do you want the sepulcher phase last for only a second.
pliant bone
Smh forgetting cebestus
karmic stone
Hearts take a few seconds to take care of normally, only problem is that there's 10 and worm messes up constantly hitting them
HahaExobladeHaha
zenith hazel
tbf I believe all 5 classes deal with hearts relatively well without too much issue
not entirely sure about summoner
pliant bone
Summomer does it easily afaik.
terse sundial
Hearts just kinda die within 8 seconds
pliant bone
And there is no intervention even if sepulcher spawns right up your ass
vocal grotto
Yeah, Sepulcher is much more of problem than the hearts imo
hallow raven
I shred through those hearts
The only time I had problems with them was with the 2nd Sepulcher
Because of all the stuff coming at you
Even the the hearts were fine
terse sundial
2nd sepulcher is meant to be difficult like that
hallow raven
I don't think a change is needed
zenith hazel
well yeah, moons, scal spamming abyssals, sepulcher all at once would be hard
karmic stone
The way tosh words his suggestion, "gradually chip away health from the hearts" makes me think they're using kind of an odd strategy for that specific phase
hallow raven
Besides Scal is intended to be hard
terse sundial
I see nothing wrong with the current hearts ^^^
zenith hazel
inb4 he was using darksun weapons
pliant bone
Bh5 and the second sepulcher phase is pretty much the hardest point in the fight
vocal grotto
Shouldn't suggest a change because pre-tier items are mediocre tho imo
terse sundial
^
zenith hazel
tbh, sepulcher is a big part of the fight whether he likes it or not
vocal grotto
Tho I think it'd be interesting to see Sepulcher's AI changed a bit, maybe to try and protect the hearts, with a few other changes in the secondpulcher phase
zenith hazel
honestly I’d want sepulcher’s spawn point to be more fair
vocal grotto
Same
radiant meadow
summoner is slower than other classes but no aim required
actually ranger is stuck with gale so I'm not sure
tired haven
Bootleg summoner (6 nuggets, not summoner auric) took 4 seconds to kill hearts with rage
So about 20 without, sounds a bit long but manageable considering it's a whole subphase basically
hollow saffron
6 nuggets?
tired haven
Yharon's sons
hollow saffron
ah
hallow raven
They do look like chicken nuggets
hollow saffron
ok offtopic
viscid tiger
Use a different channel then
terse sundial
@hollow saffron Can you not minimod?
hollow saffron
ok sorry
viscid tiger
What's minimodding?
hollow saffron
but tbh i dont see "ok offtopic" as minimodding
viscid tiger
Acting as mod when you're not or modding over small things?
hollow saffron
yes^
viscid tiger
It was an or
terse sundial
.
unique vector
doesnt that fall under disruptive
viscid tiger
How would a server suggestion that people in #multiplayer-looking-to-play put more details into their requests go?
hollow saffron
there is already a template in the pins
if people dont read that then its their own fault
lost agate
^
timber thicket
Also to whomever was struggling with the brimstone hearts/sep
if your playing melee use dragon pow
and it will absolutely rip them apart
indigo lintel
radiant meadow
this isn't the place for that
timber thicket
^
signal prairie
Am I free to resuggest something I suggested a long time ago?
loud arrow
I think there it's in rules somewhere and it's okay if it was long ago. I'll check rules
distant gyro
1 week downtime iirc
loud arrow
"if it has been at least a week and a suggestion has not been not reached the star requirements to be delivered, then you may repost it."
Yeah
Wasn't sure I'm right about 1 week so go to find it
signal prairie
Have Prism Shard be considered as a light source.
This one is a quality of life one really, but having this stupidly bright version of the soft glow that prism shards give kinda makes a Sunken Sea built house less... calming. Having a few prism shards in a house can keep that calming sense of the Sunken Sea while also acting as a light source for npcs to live in that house.
That's the one I wanted to resuggest
Do I have permission to repost that suggestion?
loud arrow
Well, it was sent and don't have "rejected" emote. So it still may be done
signal prairie
I doubt it since the sent suggestion channel thingy on the dev server is cluttered to all hell
hearty yew
@karmic stone Don't worry, a profaned flamethrower is already planned. It would be fucking awesome. We're amazed we don't have one yet.
Dev server is indeed cluttered to all hell.
If someone would be so kind as to make a document of all suggestions (new and old) that were accepted, and categorize them by type.
( Rover tries to maintain something similar, but even he has fallen behind. )
I'm not going to tell anyone in particular to do it, but I think it would be a lot easier for the little things to make it to fruition if they were neatly organized for the devs to look over.
To be fair this is really on us, when we deliver suggestions we should keep them organized.
...wait, did someone delete a suggestion?
am I stupid?
jovial spire
This is an old resuggestion, but
Make it a blood moon automatically everytime it swaps to night in boss rush and when boss rush is started when it's night.
Why this should be added: Well, Xeroc is commentating boss rush, which means Xeroc is watching you, who is on Terraria, and the blood moon is the main sign that Xeroc is peeping on the world, and yet the main sign of them watching isn't happening when it is most clear that they are watching? Having a blood moon happen would fix this inconsistancy.
Tl;DR: Lore consistancy
idk wasnt paying too much attention
But for the organization thing, I have lots of free time so I'll maybe look into doing something like that. I've always wanted to help in some sort of way.
distant gyro
Maybe just maybe
Make it a blood moon when xeroc cursed
Xeroc cursed bosses are already red in the first place anyway
jovial spire
Yeah but it should be a thing in general
If it was just that, it would raise even more questions
ashen warren
Also, bloody mary technically.
proven tide
hurts my head
jovial spire
Never heard of blood moon effects doing that to people
unique vector
@hearty yew i can do that tomorrow i think
spiral olive
Fab checked off a bunch of suggestions a little while ago so you could go off that
jovial spire
Also
make the suggestion that recall potions be added to the starter bag a few months ago, get 32 stars
dude makes same suggestion but gets 114
Not hating on the suggestion i love it its just like
placid moth
Makes sense.
signal prairie
Can I get a confirmation that my prism shard suggestion is at least on the list of things that will eventually make it into the mod?
void kelp
I don’t see it
faint needle
Its from June 18
hollow saffron
@brazen bramble at least make it non-consumable right
brazen bramble
i thought about that, but i think i'll let the devs decide about that
radiant meadow
you could add it as an option in the suggestion
hollow saffron
That's why I pinged him about it
radiant meadow
beef up the crafting recipe, remove it from earth elemental and have it mimic torrential tear
hollow saffron
Because it's confusing that the torrential year is non consumable but the arid artifact isn't
brazen bramble
i think it's too different than the original suggestion that it needs a new suggestion, feel free to suggest it
hollow saffron
chaining memes tho
zenith hazel
don't push your luck
placid moth
I'd say Post ML, because Frost Moon is available after Plant.
lost agate
Also, blizzard is basically rain in a snow biome while sandstorm is a completely different thing in a smaller biome
So thats kinda why sandstorm is so special
zenith hazel
snow has a lot of content already anyway
lost agate
Byeah
zenith hazel
cryonic ore, essences of eleum, cryogen drops, claspers, etc.
placid moth
Oh my god, I mistook the Blizzard event for Frost Moon
lost agate
zenith hazel
wrong channel?
dense shoal
clear basin
Go ham and tell me why I'm dumb and bad
sand umbra
See I would,
but that would imply I have any reason to.
I've wanted this for a fair amount of time but never suggested it myself. 
clear basin
I had time so I decided I will suggest it
ashen warren
sounds good tbh
clear basin
When crabbar and Terry like your suggestion
ashen warren
imagine if pre-mech fishron just gave you an IOU
clear basin
I feel validated
clear basin
Yeah actually didn't even think of that
sand umbra
ashen warren
you have the support of at least three epic gamers, congrats
sand umbra
And one unepic gamer who likes yo-yos too much.
lost agate
I mean, AS is not as cheeseable as before so i agree
lost agate
Yeah, but now you gotta beat them legit, so the reward being direct is a yes to me
hollow shell
Seeing a speedrun strat involving killing Siren and Leviathan with like, Tradewinds
would be an amazing spectacle
sand umbra
Speedrun strats:
Killing AS with Jester Arrows, then using AS drops to fight Siren and Levi.
sand umbra
Then using Siren and Levi drops to steamroll everything up to Plantera without batting an eye.
clear basin
The only pre hm boss you need to do is wof
And skeleton later for sentinel
Wait no the tablet
radiant meadow
imagine getting unlucky and getting zero weapon drops
hollow shell
You can go to Abyss for Eidolon Tablet
clear basin
They need to fix that
hollow shell
it's just
a much worse idea
clear basin
So it's like vanilla and 1 weapon will always drop
sand umbra
How about no.
clear basin
sand umbra
Having only 1 thing drop at a time is a nightmare.
clear basin
Ok well at least make the drops 100%
radiant meadow
ravager and bumblebirb only drop 1 weapon at a time
hollow shell
And Brim iirc
radiant meadow
and brimmy does some weird thingy with her drops
clear basin
So every boss will drop a weapon and not having to end run