#suggestions-discussion
lost agate
hollow saffron
im talking about a normal playthrough not DAD mode
hollow saffron
imean like i just buy portabulbs and yeet plantera with mantis clars
or the true ark of the ancients
tawdry magnet
you need like 6x less using armageddon tho lol
hollow saffron
fair
hollow saffron
i just get profit from selling king slime drops
tawdry magnet
if you have post yharon weps
hollow saffron
If
tawdry magnet
yeah
opal barn
Please get out of this channel already, this has been going off topic for far too long
tawdry magnet
oh sorry I was just replying to something I saw here 😦 soz
gusty geode
I feel like you have to work so hard to get the Burden Breaker because of how powerful it is
They want you to be extremely desperate to not have to walk around like a normal player if you wanna get it
Speaking as someone who never plays higher than Expert
terse sundial
@wild yoke The problem stems from Terraria itself.
MP code is broken
Also suggestions aren't really the place to ask for bugs to be fixed, we are aware that it exist
lost agate
If it wasnt hard to fix it would be fixed already
west agate
Can I ask how the burden breaker is way too strong when I can just use a grand design to teleport all over the map?
terse sundial
Burden Breaker took no effort to obtain for a while, Teleporters take time to set up
west agate
yea, 5 minutes
hollow saffron
@west agate what world size do you play on
west agate
large.
faint needle
Burden breaker will also take <5 mins next update
hollow saffron
do you use the burden breaker to yeet to your location
faint needle
Because prime doesn't heal to full anymore
west agate
I see
grave spoke
i think generally burden breaker wasn't really all that broken, it was effectively an alternative to teleporters, at least in my experience, and even has less usefulness overall since vertical movement isn't changed with it
faint needle
^
west agate
yeah, that's basically how I feel about it. After they changed it to dungeon guardian I just set up teleporters because I couldn't be bothered
lost agate
You could simply just dig down if you wanted to go underground
But i have discussed this enough already
grave spoke
burden breaker was almost exclusively a time saver, and the benefit was non-existent if you needed to go somewhere underground quickly
lost agate
I dont think dealing 300 dmg is gonna be hard so eh
grave spoke
fair, though even so, it's a pretty dumb gate to have, maybe buff the recipe to require the mech souls and living shards from plantera, though enraged skeletron P. is a bit nonsensical imo
lost agate
I mean, you get a pet of DG
smoky wagon
You can already cheese dungeon guardian with anarchy blade
hollow shell
Why are we still talking about Burden Breaker it's been like 18 hours
grave spoke
the point isn't really that the damage to deal is difficult, it's the point that needing to deal that damage to a thing that will basically always one shot is just not a good or creative gate
lost agate
Idk sors
grave spoke
also in my defense for the whole still talking about it, i did basically just get into this discord, lol
devout seal
It's multiplayer, and it's desync memery.
civic pond
i liked that one
faint needle
What was that sugg
civic pond
"add buff icon for elysian aegis bonus"
faint needle
Ah yes
civic pond
i could really use that, i can't tell when its on or not honestly
hollow shell
Yes that is a suggestion I would star
There are several effects that need buff icons
faint needle
Tbh all armour sets and accs need stuff like thst
hollow shell
(I made some rudimentary ones but I haven't submitted them yet)
civic pond
I cant use it in the middle of a bossfight because i cant tell if its on or not
reef plover
i didn't actually post the suggestion because I'm dumb when it comes to discord
lost agate
Summoner would cry with these extra buffs
civic pond
so i just spam the N key repeatedly
reef plover
forgot alt+enter
ashen warren
Summoner wouldn’t really cry since summoner seldom needs that kinda buff, especially with everything else they have 
reef plover
posted it, sorry about deleting it instantly :(
civic pond
i approve
lost agate
Mourning star also kinda fits thematically if you ask me
civic pond
provi being the "sun" and all
faint needle
Yeah
glossy bough
Pre Yharon feather use is bad cause then you can git gud right after ML
Plus birb is a mini boss
glossy bough
Birb is a boss that functions as a mini boss
civic pond
they are
glossy bough
Essentially, yes
faint needle
Also it wouldn't make you op if the feathers were implemented into certain recipes pre yharon
glossy bough
hollow saffron
You could just add cosmilite to those recipes
Or sentinel materials
That would instantly bring it up a tier
well do the feathers need to be used for armor anyway
glossy bough
Forgot to read 
void kelp
auric tesla armor needs the feathers and thats pretty much their main use
zenith hazel
super soaring potion 
lost agate
Effulgecent flask hahuo
hollow saffron
taking damage causes you to emit a burst of feathers
the feathers home in on enemies and accelerate as they go
crafted with: thorns potion, effulgent feathers, galactica singularities
hollow shell
It's been a month, do y'all think it's high time to remove the specific item suggestions pin in #suggestions-voting?
hollow saffron
new members should still see it i think
hollow shell
It's in Don'ts, and it should be added to the rules pin
civic pond
besides most people would tell them that its not allowed anyways?
hollow shell
@sinful violet #suggestions-voting rules pin, disallow specific item suggestions
something like: "- Suggestions to add new specific items will never be accepted."
(maybe also something like "See 'Suggestion Donts' doc for more info")
Preferably put the rule somewhere near the top so people still see it easy
I'll remove that pin now, Mrrp'll do the thing when he can.
hollow saffron
ok
sinful violet
I'll do it yeah
hollow shell
👍
civic pond
i think its meant to be post providence
queen sail
Post provi tbh
civic pond
thats what we discussed earlier 
smoky wagon
well he needs to fix it
queen sail
Pre provi makes it too close to solar eruption
lost agate
Im pretty sure he meant post provi on both
smoky wagon
mourningstar seems really good for just about everything that tier
lost agate
Hence the nerf smh
civic pond
nerf?
smoky wagon
i mean the function of it would be good because the sentinels and polter are close quarter fights
it would be nerfed for the tier
civic pond
oh durh
lost agate
Hes literally saying to obviously nerf it
smoky wagon
yes
civic pond
damage nerf but buff swing speed?
lost agate
Why does it need 2 nerfs if it can be done in one sitting
smoky wagon
i was talking about how neptunes bounty was nerfed twice 
I never said that was what mourningstar needed
lost agate
And what does it have to do with this.
cosmic jungle
I was talking about how I would keep the swing speed
smoky wagon
because its a melee weapon being moved down a tier
cosmic jungle
But that's not neccessary
smoky wagon
from post DoG
lost agate
Thats being nerfed anyway
cosmic jungle
2 tiers actually
lost agate
So uh, whats the point of mentioning the 2 nerfs of bounty
If its gonna be nerfed anyway
cosmic jungle
Imagine mourningstar as of now post provi
smoky wagon
because its a similar change to what the proposed change is in suggestions and BumbleDoge was asking about it
smoky wagon
it would need to be a pretty large nerf probably
Mourningstar is quite strong its just cosmic discharge is always better
For raw dmg
smoky wagon
thats the point
it just might be too strong if the dmg was the same proportions as it is for yharon
because its far easier to optimally use it
smoky wagon
it is but it might have to go from like 650 to around 200
queen sail
Make the Angler Tackle Bag drop from the Desert Scourge post-Skeletron instead of in general.
Reason: Right now, the ATB can be obtained at the same time as its components...which makes them worthless in the drop pool. Why farm for the ingredients for the combination accessory if you can just kill DS again until you get the damn thing as a whole?
hollow shell
Sounds fair
proven tide
IIRC messing with biome spread is fucking nightmarish
hollow shell
Messing with vanilla I know is nightmarish
jovial spire
^
hollow shell
but making new blocks spread could be fine
jovial spire
Redcode
hollow shell
@dry stump Could you add a reason to your suggestion?
dry stump
I'm trying to think of one right now, actually
ashen warren
Spreading is so incredibly annoying that there are many mods that make it easy.
Including one that just stops spreading.
I don't see what this adds.
hollow shell
Considering it's been suggested several times in the past to make the Astral Infection spread for thematic reasons
There's some demand for it
so a config option to add it, instead of a suggestion to make it always spread (which will never happen), seems more fitting
ashen warren
The time sink of cleansing exists, but no reward that I can see.
Since it's not even hard.
But for lore reasons I can understand.
foggy kindle
if enabled, it'll spread much faster than the evil biome and will override them if met
ashen warren
Spreads 10 blocks every second 
hollow shell
I assume it'd spread quite slowly even if enabled
foggy kindle
Oh god
hollow shell
Not sure if it should override evil or just stalemate with it like the Hallow does
foggy kindle
I mean, canonically it should override anything
hollow shell
fair
dry stump
Yeah, that's true
But canonically, it would also be able to overwrite everything in the world
hollow shell
I didn't even think of the artificial biome appeal
but that is indeed something that config would be useful for.
dry stump
I mean, I'm currently trying to make my entire world an astral biome, but it's really difficult without it spreading simultaneously
So, yeah
dry stump
Well, I've already completely converted the surface
sleek wadi
The strat for that IIRC is to dig a hellevator every 120 or so blocks then drop down it while using the Clentaminator. Your world will be swiss cheese by the end of it but it will all be astral.
dry stump
Nah, I've got other methods
ashen warren
Noclip + lighthack
Hero's mod and cheat sheet extensions iirc.
foggy kindle
Wait, Cheat Sheet extension
proven tide
@strange otter
what
so, uh, you can't think of a suggestion and are suggesting for suggesting's sake?
vot?
strange otter
well im thinking about one right now
foggy kindle
That's a no from all the mods and devs right there m8
strange otter
y not 😦
proven tide
you're thinking of one right now
Well, as soon as you think of it, that'll be a specific item suggestion and promptly deleted
foggy kindle
First: No specific items
Second: You need a reason
strange otter
okgeez chill i know the format
dry stump
No, I’m actually using minecarts
foggy kindle
Wha
proven tide
Have fun turning your contentless suggestion for its own sake into an actually illegal kind 👍
foggy kindle
Minecraft to spread biome
dry stump
yes
civic pond
also a quick tip
You should all realllly talk about suggestions here first before posting them
saves time and you can get feedback faster
strange otter
ok
dry stump
superlong rail
foggy kindle
oh... Also we're off-topic here
dry stump
yeah, i guess
proven tide
... what are we looking at and why is it here?
dry stump
me spreading the astral biome and because it is directly related to my suggestion
hollow saffron
offtopic police
dry stump
Yeah, but I like the biome
ashen warren
I think that before that happens the biome needs more content imo.
Compared to something like the abyss, or the ocean.
foggy kindle
just try to make a reason why it should be there, cuz they don't want specific items anymore
plucky prairie
small qol change: make it so that toggling the visibility of the moab also toggles the extra jumps, with either some boost to flight time or no boosts to flight time and include the fact that it gives jumps and auto jumping in the tooltip
dry stump
^yes
plucky prairie
also maybe give it the hold up to fly faster thing that the jetpack has since it is one of the components
hollow saffron
moab should have autojump tbh
hollow shell
It does.
hollow saffron
by autojump, i mean you can hold space and it will automatically go through its jumps
hollow shell
Ah
hollow shell
Likely because it was spurred by previous Burden Breaker suggestions and therefore seen as chaining
(if I'm remembering your suggestion correctly)
lucid marsh
I mean it wasn’t. Just a lot of people talking about burden breaker
Reposted slightly better
And clarified
Also am I allowed to suggest difficulty changing items?
Like not entire new modes but things like the one dropped by WoF
jovial spire
@earnest raptor Specific Item suggestions arn't allowed
ashen warren
I'd ping a mod for this one tbh.
Just incase it doesn't count somehow.
bitter topaz
that's not an item 
he's suggesting a debuff to replace cursed inferno on uelibloom tier gear
earnest raptor
@jovial spire debuffs are allowed
radiant meadow
@earnest raptor they don't inflict cursed inferno (or on fire) anymore btw
cyan lagoon
@foggy vapor I do not see what this suggestion is trying to present
proven tide
@foggy vapor woah that's a cool piece of trivia
(it'd be better for readers if you explained what nerf you're looking for instead of just saying something is strong 😉 )
distant gyro
@foggy vapor also the fact that sand sharknado is post-fishron and that's later in progression
terse sundial
Also, the Sand Sharknado staff is post-Fish ^
lost agate
Smh
proven tide
man we fucking killed him
lost agate
isnt it an upgrade to that fishron drop?
distant gyro
tempest staff is required to make it
placid moth
I mean, it's a good, very good reward for killing fishron
foggy vapor
but if you can beat fishron earlier most of the other bosses are a joke
lost agate
Well makes sense
placid moth
high risk high reward would be how I see sand sharknado staff.
distant gyro
briny baron on pbg tbh
proven tide
but if you can beat fishron earlier most of the other bosses are a joke
placid moth
If you can kill Fishron early and are post-plant
lost agate
Nerfing stuff you can get by progression breaking is in the donts
proven tide
foggy vapor
and I beat sishron before lebiathan
lost agate
Good for you
terse sundial
Okay
distant gyro
it's like saying killing ml before the mechs makes the mechs easy because of the gear you get from ml
🤔
lost agate
Anyway, its in the donts, moving on
foggy vapor
fishron is bosses that is killable earlier than the progression
proven tide
so is the aquatic scourge, and leviathan.
they have set progression points despite being accessible earlier
placid moth
Anyway, don't touch the sharknado staff.
lost agate
I said drop it
foggy vapor
but fishron has really good drops compared to other bosses
proven tide
suggestion delete or just leave starless?
radiant meadow
it doesn't really matter
unique vector
@lucid marsh better, ty for revising your suggestion
zenith hazel
wrong channel to ask
night cradle
it's a really low chance, might be your RNG, also that ^
zenith hazel
go to #help-advice-read-pins or #calamity-mod-talk instead
hollow saffron
Just wondering, is it possible to move the revengeance/death thing to the worldgen screen
ruby cobalt
is it possible? yes, everything is possible
frail mantle
suggested before i think
ruby cobalt
the question is how many STDs you will contract while doing so
frail mantle
basically: it's possible, but redcode memes
hollow saffron
redcode?
hollow shell
vanilla terraria code
hollow saffron
oh
sand umbra
vanilla code
a.k.a. raw, unfiltered AAAAAAAAA--
queen sail
IF ELSE
elfin swan
Not even xeroc can make things like that easy
distant gyro
@cinder stump another dragon egg? as if we need another one
jovial spire
No point in it really
terse sundial
We already have a Dragon Egg pet
distant gyro
there's forgotten dragon egg, dragon egg, dragon egg
jovial spire
^
distant gyro
gaze of crysthamyr 
cinder stump
I mostly suggested it for the implication
jovial spire
Implication of what?
jovial spire
I know the lore like the back of my head
And theres aboslutly no "implications" I can think of
cinder stump
Well I forgot some stuff so ignore that
hollow shell
@cinder stump https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Forgotten_Dragon_Egg
Smol Yharon dragon pet
already exists
cinder stump
Yep I checked right after I saw someone write second dragon pet
I always ignore pets sooo I fecked up
ashen warren
could just get CV's nugget
hollow shell
well I guess I'm removing it then
karmic stone
It doesnt make alot of sense for polter to commit mitosis and not be crippled for a few seconds imo
Just how many people are in that thing?
sand umbra
Enough™.
hollow saffron
@short edge add a reason
hollow idol
I mean its kinda self explanatory
short edge
K
terse sundial
tbh as long as you flesh out the suggestion it's pretty self explanatory ^^
civic pond
lol
hollow idol
But i prefer being able to go to my base once the last pillar is dead
terse sundial
gonna get a bluecheck though
hollow idol
if it happens please just make it only for cigil and not lunar event way
hollow shell
There's a suggestion to make the Celestial Sigil spawn him instantly from February, so it could be bluechecked based off that
terse sundial
ye
short edge
@hollow idol
Done
devout seal
There's also fargos, which has that.
plucky prairie
there are several mods that add items that spawn the moon lord instantly though iirc
plucky prairie
like yet another boss summon shop
hollow idol
And there are several mods that add healthbars
hollow shell
including Terraria
signal prairie
wild yoke
lol, farming for infinity
that thing killed like 10 minutes of my progress, since it pissed me off enough to alt f4
proven tide
@noble sonnet what kind of rework/buff are you looking for?
noble sonnet
I have no ideas but currently the Ultimus Cleaver is useless. There are many other swords at the tier of Ravager drops that overshadow it
terse sundial
Cleaver is getting a minor buff next update
noble sonnet
oh thank god
terse sundial
it's a very high-iq weapon
noble sonnet
well deleted it since it's getting a buff
terse sundial
okay
queen sail
Well apparently that “high iq”-ness isn’t working out so well if it’s rank d on the tier list
hollow saffron
^
sleek wadi
How does "Make having a Soul of Might/Sight/Fright in your inventory while in HM trigger their respective mech boss's defeat flag" sound to you guys? You know, to make the alt-mechs actual alternatives to the standard mechs for progression.
lost agate
It sounds like a bowl of spaghetti to me
hollow saffron
beats aquatic scourge
Aquatic Scourge has been defeated!
The Twins have been defeated!
terse sundial
Can you not post memes in this channel please
sleek wadi
Very messy solution but messing with the redcode that is vanilla progression triggers sounds like a worse idea.
radiant meadow
they're not meant to be exact alts
lucid marsh
Is the suggestion I made allowed? This is something I’ve wanted for a long time
void kelp
i think it's allowed but it kinda goes against the point of calamity changes
terse sundial
I feel like it's more of a config than an item to switch on an off
idk how to feel about it
lucid marsh
I can’t beat rev mode without it being annoyingly difficult and unfun, which sucks because I like the mechanics
Even endgame bosses are hard for me in expert mode, not like fun challenge hard but something that takes hours to beat
void kelp
thing is, rev+ is designed to be harder, and subsequently, calamity being balanced around rev => calamity is innately a difficulty up
lucid marsh
Yes
hollow saffron
messing with redcode even more
lucid marsh
But I want to be able to use unique mechanics while still being able to progress
Redcode? Vanilla stuff?
lucid marsh
This isn’t anything that isn’t already be done
ashen warren
How is that messing with redcode when it’s literally just altering stats (which calamity already does across both of the difficulties offered)
hollow saffron
besides the rev item is toggleable
hollow saffron
amber to alter stats would you have to alter vanilla enemy stats too
void kelp
you want the rev AI, but none of the difficulty that comes with it
void kelp
which ruins the whole point of the AI being different. because it's a challenge; same goes for rage/adren
the rippers are designed as a way to reward you for good play
lucid marsh
Yeah you’re missing the point
radiant meadow
rippers are a large part of why there is an hp boost
lucid marsh
Ok fair, then make the hp increased but less
radiant meadow
the hp boost was smaller before rippers were added
lucid marsh
Yes
radiant meadow
perhaps just a damage nerf would work
lucid marsh
That, or just subtract the previous smaller hp boost from the ripper balance one
radiant meadow
nerfing rippers further than rev's current won't be that big of a dmg boost
lucid marsh
Ok so?
hollow saffron
what are rippers
void kelp
rage/adren
karmic stone
Rage and adrenaline
lucid marsh
Do you get the spirit of the suggestion? Unique mechanics without increased difficulty?
Like obviously you’d have to nerf things balanced for rev+ but still
void kelp
yeah, but it also kinda. goes against the whole part of calamity being about increased difficulty
sleek wadi
I've always wanted a mode that had Rev AI with slightly more than expert stats and no rippers
lucid marsh
That’s cool too spark
lucid marsh
Also then just don’t use it spider
sleek wadi
I think the AI does a sufficient job of increasing the difficulty
lucid marsh
It’s against the spirit of how you want the game to be, not how other people want to enjoy it, and enjoying it is the point of playing
proven tide
yo this is actually real big brain but i'm kinda against item-only summon methods
astrum spices it up a bit and while the atlases are hard to track down and slaughter wholesale at the same time it really adds that bit of worldly flavour
lucid marsh
It’s nice to be able to use an item or do a thing
proven tide
i did a whole docco suggestion about this, brb
hollow saffron
imagine increasing the spawn rate of atlases
hollow saffron
😳
thorny bay
I know. Yet the farming caused me to throw my PC out of the window
sleek wadi
Imagine if you could fish out Leviathan
lucid marsh
That would be cool
sleek wadi
YO ACTUALLY, Wait if you were able to fish out Leviathan and have Siren spawn when Levi reach3s 50%?
thorny bay
🇳 🇴
karmic stone
I never realized how unique pods,??? and the like are
The atlases haven't been a problem for me
thorny bay
But then he is 🇸 🇴 🇩 🇦 🇲 🇳 🇹 🇭 🇮 🇨 🇨 that the player would get hurt before the fight started. And then there would be no Siren.
lucid marsh
I really want to be able to enjoy the unique parts of the mod and still be able to progress, that’s why I want that suggestion
proven tide
she* but ye
hollow saffron
@lucid marsh use expert and toggle revengeance for bosses
its basically the same thing as enabling keepinventory in minecraft but whatevs
proven tide
tbh i'm really proud of the boss spawn docco; so far seven users have collaborated to help with the idea flow and it's cool n good
sleek wadi
Astral Snow needs to be a thing, especially since snow biome always spawns Dungeon side.
queen sail
Snow’s always inconvertible though
sleek wadi
Fun fact that for yall, the meteor also only spawns dungeon side, which means it either falls in the hard-to-corrupt snow biome, near dungeon, or in some cases the sulphurous sea
hollow saffron
when you build a dungoen base then it gets astralified
fr tho does the meteor not spawn within 25 blocks of a chest?
lucid marsh
I want the boss AI too though, and the rippers but balanced to the lower stats 😦
sleek wadi
Other than having to fall dungeon side, the astral meteor follows the same rules as normal meteor
hollow saffron
ok
lucid marsh
And the drops, don’t forget those...
hollow saffron
xbx we get it
karmic stone
Most of the time the meteor lands in such a way I fight Deus in the arena I made for skele 
hollow saffron
you suck at calamity
void kelp
you think the mod is hard but you want to make it easier so you can play through with content that isn't deliberately locked behind a difficulty level
zenith hazel
hollow saffron
void kelp
from what i've played of this mod, read from the wiki, and can get from speaking to the devs, I can say with confidence that calamity is supposed to be hard and balanced around revengance mode
hence why the main mechanics, ai changes, and some items are locked to revengance
hollow saffron
heck even leviathan reccomends new players start playing the mod in revengeance
do so in death then
lucid marsh
because I don't have all day to practice
hollow saffron
imagine it taking you an entire day to beat moon lord in revengeance 😳
void kelp
I played my first run in rev and subsequent runs on rev/death
lucid marsh
and yeah fair but this one is mostly better
hollow saffron
same spider
zenith hazel
if you’re going to play rev, it’s recommended that you are somewhat well acquainted with vanilla terraria
otherwise, getting used to calamity bosses, let alone vanilla, will suck
hollow saffron
^
void kelp
it's. not really a "this mod is super hard please nerf" thing, its a "hey this mod tells you straight up it intends on being more difficult" which is why your request to make it easier feels strongly like a "hey im bad at the game please make it easier"
lucid marsh
thats the thing, I know I suck. it's going to take me a day or 2 to beat DoG in expert, I want to be able to have fun anyways though. Guess I'll have to try again to make my own stat buff mod
well yeah I guess that's fair...
void kelp
if you're having trouble, there's a lot of quality of life and overpowered content you can use, a well
void kelp
no problem with that innately; some mods for example are stuff like any potion seller, antisocial, etc.
hollow saffron
download luiafk ok.
zenith hazel
a lot of people are bad at calamity/vanilla at first, including me
but through trial and error, you can get through it
anyway, this is probably delving into the advice area, so get back on topic
lucid marsh
Ok I guess I’ll give rev another shot and if I still fail, make my own buff mod
If I figure it out some day
Is there a config to disable stat caps already?
terse sundial
no
reef plover
aureus dropping the starcore sounds neat
but he gets buffed after ml so that'd make it a bit weird
hollow saffron
starcore is nonconsumable tho
lucid marsh
What about a consumable variant?
reef plover
like profaned core
lucid marsh
Alternatively just say fuck it and make that the case
reef plover
except you have to beat deus to make the nonconsumable one
lucid marsh
Ah ok hm
hollow saffron
proven tide
honestly i understand that fab holds an intense dislike of luigi% and facetank memes, but to force a singular idealised preferred playstyle on every player is actually kinda shitty
so i really want to remove the DR cap if the player's DR would be equal to or above 85-90%
at that point they would've specialised enough in turtling to really be remotely powerful or any sort of threat in any other ways, so it's not like they'd do decent dps in the slightest
i just hate to see the death of a playstyle enforced, especially considering it's not toxic or shitty, just niche and entertaining
lucid marsh
Yeah I agree! Just cap it at 95% or something and call it a day!
radiant meadow
with 95% dr, that means most of scal's attacks will do only around 43 dmg 
hollow saffron
^
proven tide
yeeeees.
radiant meadow
in death mode
proven tide
yeeeeeees.
hollow saffron
and thats a problem because of the <100 dmg instakill
zenith hazel
bring back the anticheat tbh
proven tide
i love luigi% memes
zenith hazel
didn't it get removed anyway?
hollow saffron
so youre actually making it even harder
radiant meadow
<100 anticheat was removed
hollow saffron
oh
radiant meadow
but ye, scal doing under 50 dmg in dm isn't happening
proven tide
honestly, if they've poured that much effort into facetank strats they're going to be utterly useless in basically every other way
give scal armour pen
min damage per hit
¯_(ツ)_/¯
hollow saffron
doesnt she already do a minimum of 300 dmg per hit or smt
proven tide
nop
hollow saffron
oh that was removed
void kelp
yep
sleek wadi
If she did, she sure as hell doesn't anymore.
void kelp
Im all for removing DR cap but just add diminishing returns purely since to get to an obscene DR, you have to do a lot of weird things instead
sleek wadi
🦀 All, or at least most of the anti-cheat is gone! 🦀
proven tide
don't remove the dr cap
just disable it above 85-90
the average joe schmoe ain't goin anywhere even with beetle armour memes but a hyper-invested tank is gonna have the time that they're looking for
queen sail
If the final boss doesas much damage as an early hardmode boss then yeah i’d say there’s an issue
proven tide
who qares when it's luigi memes
radiant meadow
pretty sure crabulon with normal gear would do more dmg than scal w/ 95% dr
hollow saffron
qares
radiant meadow
literally every single tester for the mod cares
hollow saffron
ikr
void kelp
what’s the DR cap, again? 33%?
proven tide
i think so, yee
radiant meadow
ye
it's a softcap
anything beyond 33% is only 10% effective
so having 50% dr is actually 34.7% dr
void kelp
imo the DR cap should be pushed up a bit more than 1/3 purely bc multiplayer/true melee memes
proven tide
honestly yeah
if the player is holding a truememe item bop the cap to 50% or similar
proven tide
honestly uwu it's literally never gonna get in
so let's go
question is whether it's mp-locked or nah
void kelp
true melee locked bruv
sleek wadi
That has the unfortunate consequence of people holding something like GG for the DR cap and nothing else
proven tide
... your point? owo
void kelp
grand guardian is already a meme that lets you regen lmao
proven tide
if the player has no non-truememe weapons in their hotbar
sleek wadi
If you want to lock it to true melee, tie it to a true melee focused accessory
proven tide
👀
void kelp
👀
sleek wadi
Hide of Astrum Deus
proven tide
giant tortoise shell
void kelp
tbh the DoG lore could have that bonus since you really only want the high DR for post-DoG
radiant meadow
tying it to holding true melee could be easily abused in scal's bullet hells
or even dog's laser walls
void kelp
oh shit that’s true
zenith hazel
this has been suggested before and it was denied iirc
queen delta
Pretty sure old crags slowed world gen significantly
inner rover
i have suggested it before
queen delta
also, while they looked nice, they were incredibly inconvenient
zenith hazel
queen delta
imagine clearing all that out for brimstone elemental fight
inner rover
i wouldnt mind
sinful violet
m m m mm m ca n we add thi s to the "d o not sug ge st" doc
inner rover
oh please dont do that...
frail mantle
Mrrp are you ok
zenith hazel
yeah but what makes you think this won't get denied like the suggestion above?
sinful violet
They're inconvenient, caused lag in worldgen, bugged out, and the final nail in the coffin is that crags is getting a rework anyway.
It'll always be denied.
sinful violet
No, but in the future, yes.
inner rover
well then, i might aswell remove my suggestion
sinful violet
That wouldn't hurt
ashen warren
that uhh
queen delta
yeah old crags looked nice but the new crags were done for the better
ashen warren
nothing
hollow idol
the point of lore items is sacrificing inventory space
proven tide
^
frail mantle
also specific item suggestion
zenith hazel
no specific item suggestions please
alpine copper
Specific items are not allowed?
proven tide
peck the chins
zenith hazel
yes, it's been a thing for a while now
hollow idol
proven tide
zenith hazel
I'll delete it real quick
alpine copper
Why sorry it has been a while since i last checked this server
zenith hazel
it's ok, just be more careful next time
tired haven
I guess the "Combining Lore items" in "Don't" document should be expanded to include external storages for lore
🤔
alpine copper
Meh even i thought it was kinda cheaty while writing
distant gyro
that ruins the point
neat holly
What if I wanna use a third weapon?
civic pond
.
alpine copper
You put them in your inv
civic pond
The tradeoff for lore items buffs is that they take up an inventory slot
Without it then it would just be free buffs
neat holly
I do... but... I would prefer to be able to go on a mining trip that's more than 5 minutes long
zenith hazel
what does that have to do with lore buffs?
alpine copper
I would redirect you to another mod for that but i think its against the rules
zenith hazel
if you can't manage your inventory well, lore items aren't for you
civic pond
neat holly
What if I put them in a piggy bank and had that with me?
zenith hazel
that'd still ruin the whole point of lore items
they're supposed to take up a slot so that you know how to manage your inventory
it's not that hard to understand
neat holly
Would it even work?
zenith hazel
ofc not
vocal grotto
Meh, the sugg of having them storable somewhere while keeping the effects has been denied already
alpine copper
@neat holly I think i know a mod that you can use that will help you with your inventory problem. But ill dm you about it
neat holly
K
tired haven
Think of lore items as of accessories that have a few more slots and slightly weaker effects
It isn't really fair to add yourself another row of accessories for free, is it?
neat holly
Well... scals makes you die in one hit by anything
tired haven
Scal is mostly a meme anyway
neat holly
Cryogens is a bit iffy on my part
alpine copper
I mean antisocial and that one mod which adds cheat sheet slots without cheat sheet exist, so all the more reason to not add even more accesories @tired haven
neat holly
And slime God's lore item... useless
alpine copper
^
neat holly
Unless you like sliding around
tired haven
Prehm's 60+mph movement isn't exactly useless
tired haven
Also you miss the point, Antonio
After all, there are bad accessories too
Blood pact
alpine copper
I guess you can use it to slide away from Dungeon Guardian
neat holly
Doesn't blood pact double your hp
night cradle
yes, but it makes you able to get critted for larger damage output by enemies at a chance
neat holly
Without that
vocal grotto
scal lore exists so yes
vocal grotto
Then I'd have to say no
distant gyro
defiled crits also exist
but that's aside the point of lore items in the first place so idk why a discussion moved so much here
neat holly
Meh
zenith hazel
in conclusion, lore items shouldn't be jam packed into 1 general item/stored
vocal grotto
I think the inventory space thing was an intentional drawback
neat holly
If it holds like 2... why have it
radiant meadow
starfleet's plasma blasts don't really feel astral related
distant gyro
and consequentially does that mean starmada/norfleet also has to have the debuff?
radiant meadow
only starmada
norfleet fires unique projectiles
starmada already inflicts the debuff since it fires astral stars
void kelp
@ashen warren you know not every world generates the abyss bottom shrine bc worldgen is wonky, right?
sand umbra
You know the Abyss bottom shrine is one of the two shrines that's actually guaranteed to gen in a specific world unless something seriously fucks up, right?
void kelp
hence “not every world” since fucked up worldgen happens tbh
sand umbra
It's a rare case.
void kelp
oh, true
tbh I don’t see why yharon shouldn’t drop terminus / why it would need to be toggleable
sand umbra
And also you can just make another world like you do for any other shrine item anyway so hueh--
radiant meadow
most shrines should be a guarantee gen
lost agate
i dont see much of an achievement from going into the bottom of the abyss when you basically have to go there later anyway
faint needle
or alternatively make a new item for the abyss and let just yharon drop it imo
pliant bone
4th layer is pretty easy to access by the time you are farming for Post-polter stuff
I dont see why it is "more great achievement" than defeating post-darksun yharon
toxic pagoda
Would I get banned if I suggested a rare variant of Seadragon called Speedwagon
tired haven
radiant meadow
no, but you're not allowed to suggest weapons like that
terse sundial
@earnest raptor Calamity's concern isn't to balance around other mods.
Also, can you provide an example of a weapon changed by another mod that Calamity buffs?
terse sundial
Can you provide a Mod example?
smoky wagon
Calamity mod 
ashen warren
^
void kelp
my first thought is how calamity changes daedalus stormbow
ashen warren
gotta say, merk, he's got you there
terse sundial
No, I'm referring to other mods that would cause problems with Calamity changing vanilla weapons
earnest raptor
Reverting item nerfs, or with similar name.
smoky wagon
a mod that unnerfs stuff like phantasm?
smoky wagon
terse sundial
I see
earnest raptor
I can't remember exact names, but I have seen that mods.
radiant meadow
calamity doesn't touch phantasm
earnest raptor
And I have unreleased mod that can change item's stats.
zenith hazel
and it’s a calamity issue because...?
radiant meadow
also, Fab has stated that balance stuff will not be a config
earnest raptor
If Calamity takes priotity, my mod can't change touched items; Losing Is Fun also have configurable Daedalus damage that also will doesn't work because of priotities.
Okay, my suggestion is lame, gonna delete them.
terse sundial
alright
proven tide
@verbal notch that's a ☑ iirc
verbal notch
Oh, it’s already been suggested?
proven tide
a bunch iirc
verbal notch
😦
queen sail
Smth smth the accessory checks for specific types of slimes instead of in general
So they'd have to put each and every slime on the accessory's whitelist
hollow shell
That's not hard
proven tide
^
hollow shell
Adding one line of code to like 15ish files
proven tide
i, in fact, continue to wonder why it hasn't been done yet
gusty geode
Specific enemies aren't often suggested so I doubt it
lost agate
It will probably end up in the same situation as items tho
zealous ridge
the reasoning of banning item suggestions applies to most unique and more specific suggestions
so even if enemy suggestions are rare they will seldom be implemented
an exception was kindof the great sand shark, but that was done with a lot of dev feedback and when the devs had more suggestion liberty because the server wasnt as big as it is now
frail mantle
i think it's possible for mods to add achievements, yes
smoky wagon
Its difficult to do iirc
faint needle
instead of changing vanilla code they could add their own system
but yes, difficult indeed
hollow saffron
@ashen warren I agree tbh
frail mantle
if Dokuro wants a dev set, he'll ask for one
hollow shell
Developer items aren't allowed to be suggested
ashen warren
reee that's a specifical item suggestion
hollow shell
because ^
ashen warren
Maybe he did
hollow saffron
vanity* set
hollow shell
He did not yet
ashen warren
You never know
hollow saffron
it says vanity set
hollow shell
I would know
ashen warren
How? Hmmmm
hollow shell
I'm a dev lol
frail mantle
he's a dev
hollow saffron
aaa it says vanity set aaa
ashen warren
le smashing head on table of shame
hollow shell
Not sure if that makes it exempt from the rule
ashen warren
at 1 am
hollow saffron
also sors
frail mantle
wouldn't that still count as a dev set
hollow saffron
is there any way to contact dokuro
ashen warren
Ok it was just an suggestion
hollow shell
Dokuro is taking a break at the moment, probably wouldn't like to be contacted
hollow saffron
oof
ashen warren
Yea thats true
hollow saffron
imean like how did you contact him pre-break
ashen warren
Hes gonna take one till november
hollow saffron
i just wanna say hi to him lol
hollow saffron
^^
Like literally half of his fanbase is made of cringy little kids who don't understand he has a life
ashen warren
Yea true
If i had an fan base like that i would probably ... idk smash my laptop or somthing XD
dusty stirrup
This has nothing to do with the suggestion anymore, I'd suggest you drop it now
bitter topaz
any suggestions relating to devs items aren't allowed, unless it's for balancing purposes.
and also, this isn't the place for this convo anymore
ashen warren
Ok then... bye
hollow shell
@fleet night What if you break the chest before fighting Yharon
fleet night
make it unbreakable?
hollow shell
Hm.
fleet night
. . . is my name messed up for anyone else?
ashen warren
It's Urghabel von. Gwnhodaeth.
fleet night
its supposed to say "Arcana"
now its an unmodified version of my nickname from a different server. . .
terse sundial
there
hollow shell
Also for completion's sake can you add a reason to your suggestion, Arcana?
I understand the intention but
yknow
fleet night
because we end up with multiple of the Terminus if you already have it before yharon drops it
neat holly
It says "Arcana"
ashen warren
this was longer than expected
Having stuff in terraria be unbreakable really sucks, the entire abyss used to be unbreakable, now I think it's just the walls or they have like a billion hammer power needed.
By making the chest unbreakable the 2 blocks below are also, meaning that when fighting the abyss minibosses you can get caught on them.
These are relatively small yes, but finally I do not really know how well the checking system would actually work, I have a feeling it would end up that yharon would drop no terminus even without the shrine being there due to shenanigans.
Maybe just make the terminus craftable
faint needle
Eh
ashen warren
Late game, of course
faint needle
I still say abyss should get a new item and let just yharon drop iy
ashen warren
But still
faint needle
It*
radiant meadow
I don't see the point in adding a crafting recipe instead of having yharon drop it
ashen warren
^
i don't get why people are sticking it to yharon either
maybe just, change the tooltip a bit
So it doesn't directly refer to the abyss.
tawdry magnet
what about supreme calamitas dropping it
realistically, who does boss rush pre-scal
hollow shell
Nah, Boss Rush is supposed to be pre-SCal
hollow shell
that's why she's weaker during the Rush
tawdry magnet
oh right
hollow shell
unlike every other boss
tawdry magnet
I thought it was just bc she's really hard
radiant meadow
we should ban dev gear for br nohit then
faint needle
maybe ban Dev gear for scal br
ashen warren
suddenly every hollow role is just snapped
@radiant meadow bruh moment
specific item sug
civic pond
this is bruh
plucky matrix
tawdry magnet
also wtf is that tooltip
hollow shell
Yeah, specific item suggestions with names and recipes and such are no longer allowed.
radiant meadow
@ashen warren ye, you're not allowed to suggest weapons
hollow shell
(specific weapons, that is)
hollow shell
(you can still suggest that a weapon be added to a certain tier / for a certain reason)
ashen warren
Read the pins.
hollow shell
Yeah there were a lot of them and they almost never got accepted
radiant meadow
the first pin in #suggestions-voting explains it well
civic pond
so they just ended up clogging the dev server
ashen warren
no
radiant meadow
oh okay well, pretend it's there
tawdry magnet
you don't play fortnite?
ashen warren
no
tawdry magnet
oh
radiant meadow
please keep the topic to suggestions
hollow shell
tawdry magnet
soz
hollow shell
This is the message.
tawdry magnet
can I suggest a general added item type, not a specific item?
radiant meadow
I recommend you post it here first before posting in #suggestions-voting
civic pond
Something along the lines of "add summoner weapon at (tier) because summoner has nothing good there"
tawdry magnet
yeah
radiant meadow
you can do that
civic pond
stats, names, crafting recipes are kind of a no
tawdry magnet
I was gonna suggest adding a spear pre yharon
radiant meadow
stream gouge?
tawdry magnet
bc spear only playthrough would be fun
civic pond
stream gouge
tawdry magnet
stream gouge sucks
hollow shell
Nadir was recently added
ashen warren
buff stream gouge then
hollow shell
which is Darksun
ashen warren
nadir ech
hollow shell
Ye
hollow shell
It does a bit
ashen warren
yeah
tawdry magnet
yeah elemental eruption is fine
civic pond
besides the fact solar fragments are for melee weapons
hollow shell
also, a bit of weird territory for it to use Solar Fragments
because 1. they're fire-themed
2. they're melee-themed
so it only half-fits
ashen warren
try something like: add more lunar upgrades
karmic stone
Isn't the eruption available as soon as the player deletes ML?
ashen warren
"Add this thing."
Why?
"Because it doesn't already exist."
See the problem I see?
tawdry magnet
yeah the eruption is fine
ashen warren
Was just about to type that sors 
tawdry magnet
yeah when you have the empyrean and the elemental eruption you don't need another
karmic stone
So the empyrean can be obtained right before ML
The eruption can be obtained right after ML
Where would this thing fit
civic pond
yes
tawdry magnet
empyrean is right before
smoky wagon
i feel like a profaned flamethrower could be cool because elemental eruption is terrible for polter
and DoG
void kelp
you know, that does bring up a good point
why is there no profaned flamethrower in the area closely associated w a cleansing light
karmic stone
karmic stone
Is this considered a specific item sugg?
ashen warren
Go ping a mod or something
ashen warren
And stats, ja?
hollow shell
yeah
radiant meadow
solar fragments aren't locked to post moon lord
there really doesn't need to be another flamethrower at that tier
eruption is getting reworked and eruption isn't exactly difficult to obtain
supple lodge
The main reason a solar flamethrower won’t work is because solar stuff is all melee I believe
radiant meadow
but like said before, I think it'd fit better as a prov drop or divine geode craft
hollow shell
Consistency is for the meek.
hollow saffron
civic pond
Buff daybroken
As of now daybroken is kind of an underwhelming DoT debuff.
I was thinking that either more weapons could inflict it,
and/or have daybroken just deal more damage overall.
radiant meadow
a ton of weapons already inflict it
radiant meadow
!wiki daybroken
red stormBOT
tired haven
Daily reminder that 98% of DoTs are as useless
radiant meadow
and holy fire bullets
ashen warren
thank you crab
truly a paragon in this community
civic pond
welp, into the trash you go
tired haven
The only 2 I can remember being impactful are depth blade and frostburn pre-boss
radiant meadow
phm holy flames before Fab nerfed holy wrath pot in testing 
karmic stone
Depth crush gets worse the more you progress wdym
ashen warren
Abyssal charm?
hollow saffron
tfw most bosses are immune to mostly debuffs
radiant meadow
I think he means abyssal amulet
ashen warren
Crush depth is like, actually garbage.
And just keeps getting worse.