so it's a sidegrade to grand guardian if made into true melee
#suggestions-discussion
distant gyro
tired haven
I meant this bad boye but yeah
novel vine
real quick, am i misunderstanding the suggestions channel? It feels like it's being treated like a demands channel with how shit on "wacky" ideas get. I agree it is a wacky idea but it's not like i was requesting or demanding it be in the game, and that i'm literally tunnel blind. I just feel like garbage when i get jumped on every time i have made a suggestion in the past, albeit not very often
tired haven
Though I doubt baleful will be changed to true because fab changed it recently
It's my patreon item that is stuck in queue
tired haven
^
I only ever say suggestion is bad because I want it to be better
cosmic jungle
I usually ask people what they think before making suggestions
novel vine
aight. i guess this isn't the right place for a mentally unstable teenager. i'll see myself out i guess
cosmic jungle
Don't think that people are thinking bad stuff of you because they don't like your suggestion tbh.
foggy kindle
bruh he left
hollow saffron
@novel vine add a reason
civic pond
bruh momento.
civic pond
yes
hollow shell
Sugg deletd
hollow saffron
imagine being that sensitive
lost agate
i deleted the stars so idk why you pinged him
cosmic jungle
Don't get this wrong but I don't really like people that are: "if anyone has a bad opinion about my stuff or me imma start world war 3"
civic pond
if he really read the pins he would have read the "debunking suggestions" part
pensive
hollow saffron
same @cosmic jungle
zenith hazel
donât laser walls already have an audio queue?
distant gyro
@plush locust I mean it's easy to know if you use YABHB
tired haven
Only when first one already spawns
distant gyro
and there's already an audio cue only when it spawns
zenith hazel
yeah so you should be able to react in time for that
queen delta
Laser walls are set on a timer so if you fight DoG enough, you'll know pretty much when they come
hollow saffron
^
foggy kindle
I mean, Calamity kinda intentionally allow players to break progression
hollow shell
Gives you more playthrough freedom
grizzled matrix
Still
hollow shell
That's why Calamity makes Plantera Bulbs spawn once Hardmode beings, and you can craft the Temple Key pre-Plant
foggy kindle
The only time where you can't break is post-DoG, cuz there are only 2 bosses left
Yeah
queen delta
Yeah calamity gives us more freedom
foggy kindle
And alt-meches I think
queen delta
Nobody but the player is affected if they decide to break progression
foggy kindle
I beat the Sentinels before Provi and the Guardians in my melee pt 
hollow shell
(in fact, those changes Luma is suggesting were the case in Calamity in the past, but were then changed so that you can do them out of order)
(Phantoplasm used to be Post-Prov, and Rune of Kos was uncraftable, only dropped by her)
distant gyro
I like how they mentioned Sentinels and Polter but completely missed the point
You can even use Yharon's pre-darksun drops on provi given the freedom you have
mortal blaze
Iâd personally prefer more freedom in progression
hollow shell
Ye
tired haven
Barely no one chooses the progression skips anyway
They are harder to perform than to just play game normally
Usually, if they are really benefical for people to go for constantly, that means disbalance in that exact boss, but polter is certainly not the case here
radiant meadow
Providence was formerly a requirement. This is no longer the case to open up progression and give more freedom to the player.
and ye, progression skips can be difficult and vary by player
while some sentinels are arguably easy, there is no requirement that you craft rune of kos early
tired haven
The only progression skip I personally can recommend is golem tbh
radiant meadow
in fact, the three just got some buffs a few patches ago
smoky wagon
golem hopefully will be reworked so it is an actual skill check
considering it unlocks very good gear
sand umbra
Golem progression break is like a constant for me, tbf--
civic pond
đ¤
sand umbra
Mechs actually don't smell.
...unless fighing Desu with anything that pierces.
tired haven
or anything that doesn't pierce
or anything
except frosty flares and spear of paleo iirc
sand umbra
Even Frosty Flares don't perform that well.
Spear of Paleolith is literally the only viable weapon I've found in my tests thus far.
Everything else deals downwards of 1.5k damage and often only 1k or lower.
cosmic jungle
Cursed darts exist too I guess
sand umbra
Majestic Guard: the facetanking Desu weapon.
radiant meadow
god mode đ
radiant meadow
rev+ 2 second i frame cap
civic pond
cosmic jungle
Jam exists bruh
radiant meadow
but you didn't have jam 
tired haven
Imagine using majestic guard and not baghnakhs in that setup
tired haven
You just called me trash 
cosmic jungle
No?
tired haven
yes 
cosmic jungle
tired haven
My 1 second ripperless destroyer kill is pensive
cosmic jungle
Hol up
civic pond
hol up.
cosmic jungle
Are they that big of a meme?
radiant meadow
it was before destroyer had dr when spawning
civic pond
mantis claws
tired haven
and before baghs were nerfed slightly
radiant meadow
also, getting off topic, move to #calamity-mod-talk
cosmic jungle
True
radiant meadow
baghnakhs never got nerfed outside of the melee speed hardcap
tired haven
I never said it was a direct nerf
But oh well fair
They can't reach 1 use time with new cap, just 1% off
radiant meadow
terror blade is a post polter weapon
radiant meadow
it's like 2 tiers above normal pre prov weapons
brittle merlin
boasting about 60k DPS against mechanical bosses
radiant meadow
of course it's going to be strong
not to mention being like 5 or 6 tiers above mechs >.<
brittle merlin
What are you doing fighting mechs with polter weapons
grizzled matrix
Gen was testing stuff idk
sand umbra
Terror Blade is like 15 tiers above Mechs, what are you on. 
radiant meadow
if terror blade was nerfed, it'd be bad for the devourer of gods
which is what terror blade is meant to be used for
sand umbra
If you're not testing Polter drops against DoG, you're doing it wrong.
grizzled matrix
Is the soul edge better?
radiant meadow
@fluid stone terror blade isn't pre providence
sand umbra
You're supposed to test a weapon of a certain tier against the next boss fought at that tier. smh
radiant meadow
soul edge, terror blade, and neptune's bounty have similar strength levels
fluid stone
you can rush polterghast
radiant meadow
at least, when I tested them
that doesn't mean it should be balanced for pre providence
fluid stone
because dungeon thing starts post ml
radiant meadow
polterghast is meant to be fought after providence
fluid stone
you think beating profaned with daemonâs flame is balanced
radiant meadow
thus all post polterghast gear is meant to be used on doggo
fluid stone
in multiplayer itâs kinda easy even in defiled death to beat polterghast post ml
radiant meadow
if you use it on prov, prov is going to get butchered because the weapons are 2 tiers above
brittle merlin
Calamity allows for non linear progression
grizzled matrix
We went through the thing already Gen
radiant meadow
if it ruins half of post ml, then don't exploit it
nobody forces you to exploit it
grizzled matrix
Already got criticism for my suggestion and understood
brittle merlin
You could technically kill cultist and use the pillar weapons to wipe the rest of hardmode
radiant meadow
Calamity has made the decision to keep options open long ago
also, why only terror blade 
there's an entire tier of weapons there
sand umbra
You can kill LC the moment Hardmode starts and use Ancient Manip. gear to clean-sweep the rest of Hardmode, yeah--
hollow shell
@fluid stone "mechanical bosses"?
grizzled matrix
Bad one tbh
radiant meadow
polter drops shouldn't be tested against mechs for balance
fluid stone
sentinels is the same concept
radiant meadow
shouldn't be tested on sentinels or prov either
sand umbra
Polter drops should be tested against DoG--
radiant meadow
^
sand umbra
Polter is generally fought after the Sentinels wh
grizzled matrix
Actually is it Provi>Sent>Polt or Provi>Polt>Sent?
fluid stone
polt then sent
hollow shell
Sentinels before Polt is the intended way
radiant meadow
order is on the wiki :P
grizzled matrix
I usually do Polter right after Provi
fluid stone
polt in multiplayer is easily doable post ml
drifting radish
sent, and then polter
fluid stone
atleast change it to post profaned
grizzled matrix
I considered it a "sentinel" for some reason
brittle merlin
Itâs multiplayer though
drifting radish
"in multiplayer"
grizzled matrix
Probably due to the old recipe for the cosmic worm
hollow shell
Hot take:
Buff Polterghast 
drifting radish
may i give you 1000000000000000 reasons why that message is bad?
fluid stone
in singeplayer for the experienced player its easily possible as well
radiant meadow
Rover no
radiant meadow
"experienced player" key words right there
hollow shell
You're awarded for your skill with strong weapons
drifting radish
i have no idea how you people find polter easy
grizzled matrix
Polter is easy tbh
sand umbra
It's like trying to balance the mod around nohitters or other fantastically skilled people.
fluid stone
its plantera on steroids
hollow shell
indeed
radiant meadow
different bosses play to different player's strengths too
perhaps you find polter easier than prov, fine go kill polter but don't complain about balance
plucky matrix
polter is fine as it is tbh
drifting radish
^
fluid stone
i would simply recommend polterâs natural spawn being changed to post profaned
sand umbra
ech.
radiant meadow
if post polter options were nerfed, the difficulty of the devourer of gods would spike unnaturally due to lower dps weapons
fluid stone
this way terror blade cant be exploited
sand umbra
Want a real exploit?
The Anarchy Blade used to insta-kill Adult Eidolon Wyrms.
fluid stone
well
radiant meadow
polter's natural spawns (and phantoplasm as a whole) used to be post prov
it was changed to post moon lord to open up progression more
I highly doubt this will change back
sand umbra
That's a Chloro-tier weapon.
Granting you instantaneous access to a pair of post-Polter Abyss drops.
That has since been fixed, I believe, but still--
radiant meadow
see, Thomas, your argument is flawed in that Anarchy Blade was a bug
Terror Blade is not
fluid stone
phantoplasm post prov was a better sustem in my mind, offtopic and not necessary to discuss however
hollow shell
Anarchy was only supposed to insta-kill non-boss enemies
hollow shell
the Abyss minibosses were classified as "bosses" for its purpose
fluid stone
also phantasmal fury is obtainable pre profaned
hollow shell
Indeed
grizzled matrix
What's the usual DPS increase in Calamity? I've always went from around 300-500 Pre-HM ---> 900-4k HM ---> 10k-20k PostML ---> 60k-120k Post-Polter ---> 170k+ Pre-SCal.
hollow shell
If you can kill CV and Polter earlier than the boss that's supposed to come before them
sand umbra
Alright so your argument is that Polter drops and Ruinous Soul/post-Polter Abyss weps are easily "exploitable" for post-ML.
radiant meadow
eidolon wyrm is meant to be unkiller
it was an oversight for anarchy blade to ohko it, yes
radiant meadow
oversights like deep sea dumbbell flex are bugs
early polterghast is 100% intentional
brittle merlin
May I reiterate
You can kill LC the moment Hardmode starts and use Ancient Manip. gear to clean-sweep the rest of Hardmode, yeah--
sand umbra
Still a good point though.
smoky wagon
what is the point of the dumbell flex if you cant throw the buffed dumbell
brittle merlin
Do you want to lock lunatic cultist too
sand umbra
If you fight LC with on-tier gear he dies way too fast to be threatening.
If you fight LC with early Hardmode gear, he's actually quite fun and lasts a decent while, yet still poses a threat if you're not skilled.
Polter is the same way.
If you fight it with on-tier gear, it's going to be relatively simple to defeat it.
sand umbra
If you fight it with directly post-ML gear, it's going to be substantially more difficult due to the post-ML power curve and will take a fair bit longer.
Additionally, defeating both early gives you fantastically powerful drops from their tiers (Ancient Manipulator/Celestial Events gear and Ruinous Soul/post-Polter Abyss weps, respectively).
If you're going to complain about how defeating a boss early can be """exploited""", then why not complain about progression being so free as it is right now?
smoky wagon
lunatic cultist is atleast difficult in higher difficulties to the point where you typically wait until post-golem to fight it
obviously you can kill it early but it is challenging
golem on the other hand isn't
unique vector
i think its a very poorly worded suggestion.
distant gyro
yea
earnest raptor
LC is difficult
distant gyro
providence and mech bosses are bad examples
radiant meadow
mech bosses especially
distant gyro
Terror Blade is still below in power to Soul Edge iirc
and both are "obtainable pre-profaned guardians" (post-polter)
radiant meadow
all 4 melee options should be pretty solid
distant gyro
radiant meadow
terror blade, soul edge, neptune's bounty, and banshee hook
unique vector
@fluid stone your reasoning makes very little sense in terms of the weaponâs tier and concept. itâs similar to saying ânerf moon lord drops because i can obtain them by using an eidolon tabletâ
radiant meadow
solid for doggo that is
unique vector
either edit your suggestion or im deleting it.
distant gyro
it's like saying eidolon staff should be nerfed because it melts mech bosses yes
unique vector
itâs borderline meme-tier suggesting in my opinion.
im pretty sure the consensus about your suggestion was discussed earlier by the others, so i will not continue any arguments you bring up
as for right now im removing its reactions
lost agate
Just let people break progression and get good stuff out of it geez
jovial spire
@grizzled matrix You do realize calamity is purposly made like this right
distant gyro
Funnily enough these 2 recent suggestions seem to have a common flaw
radiant meadow
You may want to edit your suggestion to reflect on that, Luma
grizzled matrix
Nah I've given up on it
radiant meadow
So people know that you know
grizzled matrix
Oh
sand umbra
I feel like I've seen other suggs involving progression breaking "exploits" in the recent past
I can't tell if that's true or just me being big dum tho
radiant meadow
Or you can delete the suggestion entirely
distant gyro
@earnest raptor Removing the game's non-linearity should be included in the don'ts
Example : make Eidolon Tablet obtainable Post-Golem, etc
sand umbra
yes
distant gyro
sand umbra
make the item that literally becomes useless post-Golem
only obtainable post-Golem.
distant gyro
Because people still make those suggestion
sand umbra
if I actually see a sugg like that I'm quitting
sand umbra
foggy kindle
lol
sand umbra
Seriously the Eidolon Tablet is worthless post-Golem because the Cultists almost always exist anyway.
queen delta
Actually cultists are kinda a bitch to spawn if you died to cultist
Eidolon tablets would still be pretty useful
plus you can summon it right at your base
radiant meadow
Or block cultists from spawning on purpose
sand umbra
I mean bear in mind I perpetually have like 5-7 different QoL mods installed e.g. Reduced Grinding
so take what I'm saying on this with a grain of salt--
hollow shell
@earnest raptor How often have weapons been suggested to be nerfed because of a non-linearity thing
I don't recall a lot of times
(in fact I can only recall Genesis just now)
drifting radish
actually skipping the entirety of hm by using an eidolon tablet is pretty awesome
drifting radish
the pillars hold some weapons, so you can still deal damage when moon lord comes
hollow shell
Dealing with the Celestial Pillars in early-HM sounds even more terrifying than LC in early-HM
drifting radish
hollow shell
Imagine
the death
drifting radish
i guess it's until you kill at least one pillar?
because after that, the only disadvantages you have are the lack of better accessories, and the inability to dodge
earnest raptor
Dealing with the Celestial Pillars in early-HM sounds even more terrifying than LC in early-HM
You say this to me who survive masomode early-hm
Death is cheap.
Killing pillars in early-hm without masochist are still just matter of time.
tired haven
If you were able to beat cultist, sure as hell you could beat 100 mobs from a single pillar and get celestial tier weapon for the rest
distant gyro
In the most recent update Terror Blade's base damage has been buffed by 100
hollow turret
daemon flames only purpose is for drat
hollow turret
what was terror blade?
hollow turret
oh
full talon
Oh sorry, I thought it wad calamity
swift bison
no problem
worthy fiber
lmao
full talon
Thanks for tellin me
queen delta
in main
plucky matrix
hollow idol
maybe post the emote tbh
cosmic jungle
swift bison
i posted the emote
plucky matrix
I have so many ech emotes but can't post them all here because that'd count as spam 
cosmic jungle
Where the heck do you get all these emotes
sinful violet
servers
plucky matrix
probably fargo
worthy fiber
is more of an ech than bruh tbh
worthy fiber
:SAD:
sinful violet
thank you
cosmic jungle
sinful violet
anyhow, I'm for the ech emote, I'll just ask in mod chat
it's been thrown around enough
cosmic jungle
Yay I guess
plucky matrix
don't forget the 1000 variations 
cosmic jungle
queen delta
plucky matrix
queen delta
?
sinful violet
smh im asking
ashen warren
we the Fargo support ech cat remote
livid coral
Danny hates adding 'pointless' emotes so it may be a bit of a fight
tired haven
bitter topaz
i'll never understand danny's stance on emotes
they don't really serve a purpose besides being there for people to use
if we had 5~ different emotes that express the exact same thing, or if we didn't have many slots left, being reluctant to add emotes would be understandable
but it just feels kinda arbitrary, given the fact that we definitely aren't tight on emote slots, nor do we have emotes that are effectively duplicates
art, giveaways, texturepack and previously literiture are/were all much more lax on what emotes they add as well, so in terms of sister servers this one is kind of the black sheep in terms of emotes
ashen warren
I guess it also depends how people use them, like how tax evasion was spammed quite a bit, Iâd wager bruh would end up getting deleted pretty quickly with how much it gets spammed
Ech I can see it being chained around the same if not more than tax evasion tbh
proven tide
@hollow saffron do you really need that many line breaks
also, which smaller worms? the mini-scourges or the dried seekers?
terse sundial
smh chaining suggestions
proven tide
it's not chaining, it's inspiration
hollow shell
ping Filip instead
proven tide
terse sundial
Although I don't enjoy the Dried Seekers much once DS dies, I would enjoy seeing them disappear
it may be a chain, but it's an alright idea
hollow saffron
smh merk
and sors
its not chaining
its inspiration
am i not allowed to give credit
hollow shell
No we dont want people chaining suggestions
You could have told Filip to give your idea as an alt solution instead of writing a separate one
hollow saffron
fair
unique vector
the next time i see a chained suggestion im deleting it within an hour
just... tell the person with the original idea to edit their suggestion?? how hard is it
proven tide
ok ok
y'know, i see that far too often in this chat
teal ibex
thorium gem suggestion is excellent tbh
hollow saffron
ok ok
lost agate
we only got permission to boost stats on bosses so who knows if further cross mod content could be a thing
teal ibex
ye it's definitely a bit of a grey area
but i think small details like this are ideal for crossmod compatibility tbh
unintrusive, light details to merge the experience better
viscid tiger
Do thorium guys really take ages to decide whether to say yes or not?
radiant meadow
crossmod support is a gray area altogether. From what I remember, Thorium would rather have crossmod content when both mods are finished.
viscid tiger
Is a mod ever finished though?
teal ibex
aka never
mossy shale
I mean, my gem suggestion doesn't really change what they've added like the rev compatibility does, it just adds more options (which other mods do already)
in this case being a completely unique gem crawler enemy that drops the gem, and it just being able to spawn on planetoids
no different than some qol mod selling the gem
I'm sure it's different with how big calamity is, but still
half basalt
Mmm, I'd have to disagree
lost agate
Also you basically repeated yourself in that suggestion
ashen warren
It invalidates teleporters majorly, it invalidates asphalt skybridges.
The fact is, it makes the game easier.
Don't discount out of bossfight gameplay.
half basalt
I guess I could delete the second part but alright
half basalt
^
dusty stirrup
Teleporting is still viable for underground exploration
ashen warren
The natural dangers of the world get delet by burden breaker, parts that are added afterwards are now wasted space.
half basalt
Its not like those parts are super difficult
mortal blaze
what natural dangers?
dusty stirrup
Burden breaker while exploring underground is just more of a bother than without it
half basalt
Monsters?
ashen warren
Making the game into effectively a bossrush.
half basalt
flies
mortal blaze
im almost never really scared of dying lol
tbh i feel like terraria's more of a bossrush anyways
dusty stirrup
tbf calamity is mostly a boss rush anyway
sand umbra
I mean.
Generally speaking, if you can invalidate teleporters with something obtained prior to them, you've done something wrong.
plucky matrix
I approve of this btw
devout seal
The reason people want the burden breaker without killing a limited enemy is because we don't want to take 5 minutes to cross the world, we want to do it much faster.
mortal blaze
Thomas does make a good point
half basalt
^^
devout seal
also, steampunker.
burden breaker was made after mechs, right? or was that the DT breaker?
ashen warren
If calamity is a bossrush then delete all progression at this point.
mortal blaze
well progression comes from beating bosses anyways
half basalt
I'm sorry if I want to cross the world in not 5 minutes
dusty stirrup
Burden breaker is only more viable than teleporters for surface
lost agate
What about just freaking adding luminite or smth to it then idek
ashen warren
teleporters and burden breaker are balanced
Luminite makes it post-ml, which is when the game gets dramatically faster.
mortal blaze
burden breaker is literally only useful for horizontal movement
ashen warren
neither are really better
ashen warren
What?
dusty stirrup
Post-ml is when it becomes even more of a boss rush
half basalt
So of course they're not going to overlap well
dusty stirrup
exploration is almost absent after the temple is explored
hollow shell
Also slight correction
mortal blaze
yeah pretty much
hollow shell
You don't need kill the HM DG in Revengeance to get Burden Breaker
the Revengence only applies to Skeletron Prime
sand umbra
Potential idea, which honestly sounds mildly dumb now that I write it down:
||Set a flag in Calamity's ModWorld class to check if Draedon's Remote has been beaten.
Allow the Steampunker to sell the Burden Breaker if the Remote has been bested, but only before Golem or LC is defeated.||
mortal blaze
so you can't get it if you beat LC/Golem?
half basalt
@hollow shell fair, but most people kill skeletron before hm for the weapons
dusty stirrup
That sounds pretty strange, thomas
hollow shell
Yeah but you say "Rev+ HM DG" in the suggestion
just wanted to point that out
half basalt
Unless you know in advance, its just as bad
dusty stirrup
half basalt
@hollow shell oh alright
sand umbra
I'm just tossin' ideas out, right.
mortal blaze
i do like the idea of doing mecha mayhem for the burden breaker though
half basalt
I'll edit it
mortal blaze
could work if you just do that
sand umbra
I'd still be cool with Draedon's Remote unlocking Burden Breaker somehow, though.
hollow shell
also the "and not locked behind revengeance mode." bit
mortal blaze
and also not lock it behind revengeance tbh
dusty stirrup
Yeah would give mecha mayhem an actual use
hollow shell
That'd be neat
sand umbra
Mhm.
mortal blaze
i mean if you can beat mecha mayhem you're not really going to care about normal surface mobs
anyways
sand umbra
Gives an actual purpose to using Draedon's Remote in the first place.
dusty stirrup
but burden breaker is for conveniance and fast travelling, not for skipping mobs
half basalt
Draedon's Remote?
distant gyro
I'd not make it craftable but at least difficulty lock should be gone
half basalt
Never heard of it.
hollow shell
devout seal
Yeah, i just use it as a ' i need to get to the ocean from my base and i don't have teleporters'
distant gyro
Draedon's remote is mecha mayhem 2
hollow shell
Summons all 3 mechs at the same time, and they're buffed
mortal blaze
i meant that you skip surface mobs while travelling
half basalt
Oh
hollow saffron
^
ashen warren
Teleporters are "technically better" except they require fuckloads of wiring, in fact teleporters are pretty well balanced.
Burden breaker had no checks and balances, you can still get it if you really want, but now it requires actual time investment.
Changing draedon's remote removes the entire point of pushing it to a hard to reach location.
mortal blaze
admittedly you can skip them with a number of ways
half basalt
@ashen warren ...no checks and balances
mortal blaze
erm i feel like it doesnt need any really
devout seal
it stuttered.
distant gyro
Burden breaker semi-nullifies teleporters
half basalt
Like how you can't use it in boss fights
mortal blaze
its just to move around
lost agate
Uh, draedon remote can actually be hard to beat
ashen warren
Perhaps if it remote was buffed to be post-ml.
hollow shell
Boss fights aren't everything
distant gyro
Or at least oversimplifies the process of making one
ashen warren
then it just dropped it
half basalt
And how it can only be obtained after the mechs?
hollow saffron
its actually post plantera
half basalt
Well more to my point
hollow saffron
armored diggers dont start ending your whole career until then
sand umbra
Idle thoughts for Draedon's Remote if this is a thing:
- hard DPS cap on all three Mechs (you wouldn't hit it with post-Plantera gear, of course)
- stat buffs, which already exist anyway
- defeating all three Mechs under this condition rewards the player with the Burden Breaker alongside the usual Mech loot
ashen warren
That's less than halfway through the game survivor.
half basalt
The only place you need to go after Plantera is golem
hollow shell
boo DPS caps
hollow saffron
yes @sand umbra
half basalt
The temple is underground
dusty stirrup
burden breaker is useless when going thro underground tho
ashen warren
Burden breaker was post-mechs.
dusty stirrup
Which is why teleporters are better for underground navigation
half basalt
Ok then, post mechs
half basalt
Still halfway through the game
ashen warren
Underground is a good point, however onyx exists and teleporters still need to be wired to a place you've already been.
distant gyro
After Draedon's Remote is defeated, the player can buy BB from the Steampunker/Cyborg for 20 plat
lost agate
Actually, that doesnt sound si bad altix
ashen warren
100 plat 
dusty stirrup
See, I'd say onyx is a worse problem in that case, sequence
lost agate
Outside of the 20 plat
ashen warren
well yeah i've never liked onyx but that's a different discussion
half basalt
Why is bb so op again?
distant gyro
20 plat isn't that hard considering sources say you can get that in an hour with arma eoc
hollow shell
i swear to god xult if this suggestion has anything to do with burden breaker-
distant gyro
half basalt
Because you can skip overworld mobs?
mortal blaze
true that
sand umbra
boo DPS caps
do you want people melting Draedon's Remote with post-ML gear or do you want the Burden Breaker to actually require a challenge
half basalt
Guess what, I already do that with flight
sand umbra
distant gyro
Because fast travel and good utility item
lost agate
Survivor we already had this discussion
hollow shell
It's OP because it completely trivializes all surface movement a lil under halfway through the game
ashen warren
For the same reason that alchnpclite is OP.
lost agate
We dont wanna go in loops
dusty stirrup
Besides, burden breaker will only be useful if you actually put time to make a long hallway in said undergound (which I'm not sure what'd you use it for, just make vertical pits lol)
mortal blaze
i mean what exactly do you consider OP
hollow saffron
demonshade armor in prehardmode
mortal blaze
i'd consider those things to reduce tedium, as opposed to being game-breaking
distant gyro
It also trivializes hell travel if you clear out a few buildings
half basalt
Something that kills bosses extremely quickly?
lost agate
OP doesnt neccesarily mean game breaking
half basalt
That is op
lost agate
Or high dmh
distant gyro
Oh you're the bosses type of guy
ashen warren
It basically removes any movement challenge out of boss fights for the whole game and you got it post-mechs.
Italics for emphasis.
distant gyro
hollow saffron
Why not make the draedons remote mecha mayhem be buffed based on progression
gets harder post ML
ashen warren
How is that not OverPowered?
sand umbra
the only reason I suggested DPS caps for the Remote is because post-ML gear even would obliterate even the buffed Mechs and I'd like the Burden Breaker to require some sort of--
oh
hollow saffron
then again post provi
half basalt
But why does there need to be a movement challenge?
sand umbra
...oh that's a good idea
dusty stirrup
I don't think said "movement challenges" are even interesting in the first place?
lost agate
OP is not tied around bosses or dmg
mortal blaze
i'd say there arent really any movement challenges
devout seal
Didn't the burden breaker not work during boss fights
hollow saffron
thomas you can post it if you want
half basalt
What Phupperbat said
mortal blaze
my minecart track poses zero risk
queen sail
By the time youâre post moon lord thereâs not much to explore anyways
distant gyro
If you're a bosses-type-of-guy then you'll never see the power in Burden Breaker
mortal blaze
and im just sitting there watching me go along anyways
distant gyro
ngl
ashen warren
Movement being a challenge is quite literally most of the game.
dusty stirrup
It's literally just "flying until you reach your destination"
mortal blaze
mostly in pre-hardmode and early hardmode
half basalt
Um... outside of bosses, when??
dusty stirrup
There's no challenge in going from one place to the other on the surface with wings???
hollow saffron
when??
devout seal
There are no challenges, yes
but it's not fast enough.
mortal blaze
well i mean not really i feel like
hollow saffron
also can someone else post what i suggested about there being draedons remote tiers
i dont wanna make too many suggestions
half basalt
Again, what Phupperbat said, its the same thing only that it speeds up the process
hollow saffron
peaceful mode
mortal blaze
you just mow through them anyways lol
hollow saffron
half basalt
Um
lost agate
We are seriously going in loops here
mortal blaze
yeah we are
hollow saffron
agreed
dusty stirrup
You basically skip enemies by flying over them
mortal blaze
it's a bit hard to make organized arguments on discord tbh
lost agate
Im tempted to end the conversation if its just going on loops
half basalt
What enemies are actually dangerous, that are flying mobs, that arent giant tortoises, and spawn on surface (NOT SPACE)?
mortal blaze
it's ultimately up to the devs
hollow saffron
@half basalt crawltipedes
dusty stirrup
Aye, no need to keep it up anymore
queen sail
Weâre arguing over something whose entire purpose is âI wanna travel fasterâ
Soooo
:whenlifegetsatyou:
dusty stirrup
XultroniX, shucks literally just said to stop the convo
half basalt
Well now that you just @ed me...
hollow saffron
ok sorry
half basalt
Jk
hollow saffron
lost agate
Anyway, drop whatever suggestion you want, i may talk about it to fab tomorrow or smth if phup doesnt do it first
sand umbra
i was going to
am now uncertain if i want to .n.
sand umbra
...fuak it
imma do it
might as well throw the idea out there and see if people like it
sand umbra
on an unrelated note my valor buff is literally 3 stars from sending so that's neat i guess
distant gyro
sand umbra
yeus
hello
on today's episode of weird suggestions nobody cares about
burden breaker
distant gyro
half basalt
hollow saffron
chain break
distant gyro
I feel like revisiting Provi lore suggestion again
hollow saffron
actually i had a summoner rogue playthrough and for some reason it didnt do anything for vanilla summon weps
idk
also its just for consistency with calamity
hollow saffron
sand umbra
And yet I never stop agreeing with it.
hollow saffron
lol
lost agate
Smh someone already suggested summons having autoswing
ashen warren
yeah but it's a completely valid suggestion
lost agate
In the end it just devolved into "stuff like ballista exists"
Which shoots everytime you spawn it
lost agate
So you suggested it again?
lost agate
But why
queen delta
At least most summon weapons should have autoswing
hollow saffron
because i can ig
hearty yew
@hollow saffron Consider it done.
hollow saffron
Nani
queen delta
Of course theres a few like ballista and imp staff
hearty yew
What I mean by that is "I will personally implement this suggestion. It doesn't even have to be approved. Consider it in the next update."
ashen warren
Oh, well.
Gamer.
frail mantle
wouldn't giving the Ballistas Autoswing just be the same as spam-clicking the weapon normally, except you no longer break your mouse every time you do it
hollow saffron
queen delta
so i guess i should add the đ ?
ashen warren
Suggestion, add flag.
queen delta
or is it too soon to do that?
lost agate
@hearty yew if youre gonna do it i dont think its gonna be a good idea on stuff like ballista or imps
Since those shoot the moment they spawn
queen delta
They still have swing cooldown
hearty yew
so you're telling me that simultaneously overriding the imp staff to summon an imp with a delay on his shot is illegal?
hearty yew
and making all summon staves swing like muramasa with dynamic code is bad?
lost agate
Ok ok i get it
hearty yew
( 8+ swings per second, autoswing )
Cause that's what I was gonna do.
Make all summon items as crazy fast as mechworm, override vanilla summon shoot functions to prevent abuse w/ insta-shooting minions
lost agate
Well go for it
hearty yew
Ok.
Alright, it's now on my to-do list. Cheers.
This is why I read #suggestions-voting regularly
I like "sniping" suggestions
lost agate
distant gyro
It's grey_question
sand umbra
fucking hell
distant gyro
mortal blaze
woo i'd have a reason to actually do mecha mayhem now
plucky matrix
I'll be Frank with you, and I dunno who the hell Frank is.
GOD
queen delta
ashen warren
sand umbra
Making stupid jokes in otherwise-serious suggestions is one of my favorite past-times.
distant gyro
What if defeating either mechs make the others do these
Twins - Phase 3
Destroyer - Phase 3
Prime - Grav Enrage
dusty stirrup
Guess I'm not actually a dev harhar
plucky matrix
fake role I see
dusty stirrup
đ
ashen warren
Phup confirmed whitename 
foggy kindle
:pensi:
distant gyro
sand umbra
queen delta
Possibly fake mod too?
dusty stirrup
I'll break your fingers
foggy kindle
sinful violet
ill repair your fingers dw
fingers broken by phup are easy to fix
i just need a stapler
ashen warren
hi, mr admin, what if you did weird finger stuff in #general-talk iirc
placid moth
wtf
sinful violet
wow minimodding iirc
unique vector
@sand umbra youâre borderline making a suggestion chain
it seems like every time a controversial suggestion is brought up, instead of informing the original suggestor of new ideas to edit their own suggestion, yaâll just decide to add on to them with your own posts. at that point it becomes basically this channel, so whatâs the point?
im only allowing yours to stay thomas because itâs slightly different, albeit the same topic as the original poster
im not saying it again. the next time someone chains a suggestion im deleting it immediately.
distant gyro
This happens when the person making the above suggestion doesn't agree to change
idk what to say about this nor how to change that
unique vector
so ping a mod thats active here, and we can sort things out
distant gyro
Shucks and Phup basically quit on the convo
But they said they'd sort that out themselves
So I see no point either?
No point of thomas dropping another that is
unique vector
a solution is that when a mod is informed, we have a conversation with the original poster and henceforth decide on alterations to said suggestion. if it comes down to it ill contact rover and the others for a better system
you can always ping me
i wont be busy anymore after saturday
so ill be available unless i have school
novel pebble
Doesnât Skeleton Prime regain all his health at daytime?
queen sail
Only 300 hp
unique vector
im just sick of this because the point of suggestions discussion is to discuss suggestions that might be posted or have already been posted
its not what the suggestions channel itself is for
distant gyro
Trident?
queen sail
I feel like Amidiasâ Trident should lose the wallhacking function at least
distant gyro
oh
queen sail
I just killed DS and I feel like I got a viable Skeletron weapon
A viable wof weapon too probably
queen sail
The fact that itâs homing already makes it really fuckin powerful
unique vector
trident was already nerfed for dealing absurd damage to mechs
unique vector
it was getting 1.2k dps at one point
that was fixed
but if it needs more nerfs then by all means go ahead
isnât it locked behind skeletron?
queen sail
Nope
It just shoots homing whirlpools in general now
So yes you can get a homing weapon before you do any vanilla boss
Iâll have to go do a few more tests to see if itâs more viable than what its tier is intending it to be
unique vector
i mean
giant clam isnât easily killable until post skele id say
maybe post second evils
queen sail
Just killed it with a barinade and a hook
Itâs not exactly hard to kill but it does hit like a truck
plucky matrix
zenith hazel
maybe call it defiled, that sounds like a cool name
devout seal
He's saying to make wings useless in defiled by removing fall immunity too
radiant meadow
@sand umbra
and Rev+ Prime when enraged? That's easily exploitable by jut waiting at low health for sunrise!
you know, in the public update, rev+ prime heals to full hp at sunrise, right?
gets nerfed to healing only to 300 hp next patch though
devout seal
Everyone does, they want to get to the oceans faster and cheaper then teleporters.
distant gyro
After the change it kinda became irrelevant
Unless anyone actually bothered to kill wall of flesh before skeletron, enter the dungeon and kill DG (easier option)
Or summon prime at night and mindlessly wait for day time just for it to heal to full 43k(63k in death) hp
devout seal
Because no-one's gonna bother if they have to fight the dungeon guardian to get the one item that makes early-hardmode surface travel bareable.
distant gyro
Well yea that's how it became irrelevant
zenith hazel
and then bypass fall immunity again with calcium pot :galaxybrain:
distant gyro
Because it didn't change in function
hollow shell
@thorny sluice The mode is called "Defiled Rune" or just "Defiled". And could you add a reason why to your suggestion please?
(also making it a different mode for such a minor difference is a no.)
eager palm
they left
signal prairie
hollow shell
why the fuck
faint needle
big brain move
hollow shell
Well, I'll delete it because it'll never get improved
plucky matrix
moment tbh
balmy coyote
Leaving out of shame is 
cyan lagoon
sand umbra
pongs
you know, in the public update, rev+ prime heals to full hp at sunrise, right?
...oh
you're borderline making a suggestion chain
so you're saying that a sugg that makes no effort to link itself with any other suggestion and just happens to have a similar topic as a recent sugg (and came up in this exact channel from a discussion last night on the topic) and has several suggestions between itself and the other sugg of similar topic
is me making a sugg chain
alright, good to know
for the record, my intention wasn't to make a sugg chain
if i somehow messed up and unwittingly made one, my bad
the idea had just come to me last night after a discussion at length about the burden breaker and i figured it'd be better to strike while the iron's still hot rather than wait a week or so for it to cool
lost agate
I dont see the neccesity for a dps cap
By the moment you melt them with post ml gear, youre well.... Post ml, you didnt have the item from pre ML to whenever post ml you melted them so i dont see why punish for doing so
unique vector
@sand umbra you still should have talked with the original poster at the very least
or brought it up here beforehand, which i dont know if you did or not
sand umbra
fair enough
unique vector
tis why i didnt delete it, it doesnt connect directly to the other guy
but just in future notice donât pull something like this again 
sand umbra
alrighty
autumn lion
@sand umbra you can also i-frame the dungeon guardian too, that's what i did with my friends
sand umbra
Ayy, Valor sugg reached 90 stars.
...and somehow my Draedon's Remote sugg is already nearly at the same count.
o3O
terse sundial
ill send them in a few
void kelp
@lucid marsh thatâs kind of a chained suggestion tbh
distant gyro
that is chained suggestion especially when 3 burden breaker suggs are pretty much consectuive
sand umbra
i didn't even intend to chain ;u;
distant gyro
you chained two things in one
sand umbra
shush
sand umbra
hollow shell
This is why you make teleporter systems
Once Hardmode begins I never really have a problem getting around the world cuz I'm proactive on settin up warps to every place of interest
fervent zealot
actually preparing? pshhh why do that when you can just use burden breaker
hollow shell
Why actually prepare when you can just complain at devs and have them fix it for you?
fervent zealot
really burden breaker has no point thanks to calam doing early steampunker which means make the journey a single time and then use teles
hollow saffron
speedrunners: are you sure about that
hollow shell
Not every playthrough is a speedrun
and, ideally, speedrun tactics should be hard to perform but fruitful to pull off
which is exactly what BB is currently
hollow saffron
^
sand umbra
Personally I just think Burden Breaker's fun as hell.
lucid marsh
Fair, but teleporter systems are annoying and boring to set up
sand umbra
It's fun to just go flying across the world in seconds.
lucid marsh
Yeah I agree
hollow shell
Which is why Thorium lets you do that, but puts it at the end of the playthrough
sand umbra
Mhm.
lucid marsh
Yeah thatâs why I suggested keeping burden breaker at late hardmode but buffing other options
mossy shale
If an item causes this much debate I don't think it's even worth it to have it in the game at all at this point
hollow shell
That's a bit extreme
cinder stump
I remember that it defenetly should be gotten after yharon in my opinion
Even then its not even needed all that much even when I got it I didn't use it all that much
lost agate
with that logic its time to delete RoD
hollow saffron
when you realize that levi's video was without any mounts/potions/boots that would make him move faster
night cradle
^
unique vector
im gonna lose my mind
ruby cobalt
@mellow dragon already nerfed
bitter topaz
@mellow dragon it'd be appreciated if you could delete the suggestion yourself next time
mellow dragon
Sorry I got lazy
ashen warren
I want to make a suggestion of triactus' hammer, but since that's dedicated, would that be illegal or what?
lost agate
What do you wanna suggest?
hollow saffron
probs is illegal
radiant meadow
changing the function or recipe isn't allowed
hollow saffron
^
radiant meadow
suggesting a nerf or buff like dmg or range is allowed
but it's already getting a range buff next patch
ashen warren
I meant more like add extra damage
mellow dragon
I mean it's post Scal...
lost agate
BR exists
radiant meadow
it does
smoky wagon
Triacticâs hammer is really good
radiant meadow
although nanoblack is stiff competition
smoky wagon
i was melee
radiant meadow
perhaps nanoblack needs a nerf 
lost agate
^
ashen warren
Maybe
lost agate
Im not agreeing for a triactis buff
I saw first hand how SW melted in a few seconds to it
Alongside AS and such
smoky wagon
i used it for DoG because i donât like red sun
clear basin
Ë
smoky wagon
it worked fine
ashen warren
I feel hesitant to comment on nanoblack considering that the developer is still around
radiant meadow
Ozzatron probably doesn't mind
I comment on divine garbage retribution all the time even though the patron is still around
smoky wagon
i think dev weapons should be treated like any other weapon for balancing purposes
radiant meadow
dev weapon balancing is a little more loose, but they are intended to be balanced
smoky wagon
unless the dev really doesnt want it changed
ill assume thats the reason why scarlet devil isnt nerfed
radiant meadow
but a complete rework won't fly
mellow dragon
When post Scal bosses come out they probably would need to nerf it
smoky wagon
dev wepaons will be post-whatever the highest boss in progression is
ashen warren
I'll ponder on that then
smoky wagon
only dev item that wont be moved is demonshade armor iirc
mellow dragon
Interesting
radiant meadow
current shadowspec weapons will move to the latest boss.
Other dev items like pets, mounts, accs, armor, etc will stay where they are
mellow dragon
Then would they need to buff the dev weapons?
smoky wagon
if boss rush was buffed then yes they would be buffed
radiant meadow
they will be buffed when more bosses come out, yes
lost agate
Imagine thinking base dmg is the only thing that matters
lost agate
Uh sure
smoky wagon
hollow saffron
A weapon has 400 base damage with a use time of 24, while another weapon has 20 base damage and a use time of 1.
Which weapon do you choose.
hollow saffron
wdym @lost agate
also assuming no nuking use time of 1, the one with 20 base dmg and 1 use time does more dps
lost agate
Use time 1 doesnt work
lost agate
Btw i think he got the point
hollow saffron
lol
mellow dragon
use a p90 for crowd control, and use something else for a boss
frail mantle
P90 is also good against bosses
iirc Reaver Ranged+Hyperius Bullets+P90 still shreds Fishron
mellow dragon
just don't use it to grind plantera
lost agate
Yes but you kill her in less than a minute