the same logic should apply
#suggestions-discussion
zenith hazel
little raptor
void kelp
it’s a good start!
arctic wren
they’re obtainable post-3 mechs but yet immediately upgraded to terra blade post-plant
hey in vanilla they're literally upgraded into terra blade immediately
waste of two weapons
tired haven
zinc thunder
whate is it crab?
tired haven
waste of two true weapons in vanilla
zinc thunder
it is
tired haven
Best (?) case scenario is using one of them before second eclipse comes up since you need to somehow only get a single hero sword
ashen warren
doesn't true excal autoswing?
brittle merlin
No
ashen warren
true excal is even worse than i thought
zealous ridge
true excal does have autoswing in calamity
tired haven
Probably true NE also does
Both do not in vanilla, however
Which makes it even more of a 
ashen warren
yeah true ne and true excal both have autoswing in calam but they're still pretty useless considering you only need 2 broken hero swords in 1.3 to make terra blade which is still easily out classed by both vanilla and calam weapons
placid moth
it's just 15 gold
ashen warren
15 gold is nothing if you just farm DS
gusty geode
But this is something that's somehow even easier than DS
Are piggies affected by Zerg
ashen warren
i mean after you gain something like seafoam bomb DS just becomes more effective than piggy
also isn't zerg only obtainable in hm?
gusty geode
Post-Skeletron iirc
But battle potions, which are essentially mini-Zerg, are pre-boss
ashen warren
zerg is post-skeletron but farming for blood orbs isn't exactly fun
especially without blood relic
hexed surge
does Piggy spawn only in Revengeance mode?
ashen warren
it doesn't say on the wiki
versed mica
ashen warren
but there is much better alternatives to piggy like just buying desert medallions and farming DS
hexed surge
well make it only spawn in Revengeance mode then - it seems to me that the mode is designed to make enemies more difficult and leave you with more than enough money
ashen warren
The Medallion Only Cost 2 Gold And DS drops something Like 15 Gold Which Lets You Buy 7 more Medallions
i really don't see how piggy is a problem compared to much faster alternatives
void kelp
aa lot of the time the extra money isn’t detrimental especially since you’d be wanting to reforge gear to maximize your odds of winning
hollow saffron
@zinc thunder piggys?
hollow shell
hollow shell
np
queen delta
It's not a big enough topic to warrant its own channel
lore got its own channel because people were talking about it every day
cyan lagoon
@wet hamlet What purpose would it serve?
dusty stirrup
@lusty anchor A channel for said topic wouldn't be of use even in a few years, considering nothing on said game has been worked on yet, it's not even a certainity it'll actually happen
lusty anchor
just a suggestion
dusty stirrup
A pretty useless suggestion
dusty stirrup
hahaues
foggy kindle
queen delta
loli siren
foggy kindle
no
swift bison
foggy kindle
Bad Yat
ashen warren
oh wait we have #calamity-mod-talk i forgot haha
dusty stirrup
lore talk is basically anime talk
queen sail
DoG but he’s Accelerator
foggy kindle
Phup what have you done...
queen sail
foggy kindle
Now people gonna post weird shits there
dusty stirrup
That's already been happening squid
foggy kindle
Okay then
ashen warren
tbh, i'm sure there's enough animators/artists who would be capable of producing something, but the real question is how willing they would be
dusty stirrup
Considering calamity's story is far from finished
The lore itself is changing constantly
ashen warren
oh yeah that too, but i don't think calanime would start with yharim stuff
something something isekai'd into calamity something something learning the lore
wet hamlet
yoyo time
proven tide
@ebon yacht time to commit Complete Suggestion Rework
Firstly, start with with the bit about needing an upgraded yo-yo bag, or an improvement to the original.
Then go on the mini-rant about how little appreciation yo-yos get under the heading of "reason", and consider scrapping the self-development offer entirely.
ebon yacht
Ah I see, let me edit that
proven tide
As it is now that's a garden-path ramble of a suggestion with far more buildup and pre-emptive justification than actual suggestion content
ashen warren
so, yoyos aren't even a real class, but they get an accessory, where flails don't even get their own accessory
smh my head
tired haven
Oracle does reach scal and brother btw just saying
(you need a handful of melee speed for that but still)
hollow saffron
@ebon yacht that seems like more of a rant than a suggestion
start off with what you want changed
and make the rant the reason why
ebon yacht
(working on it in notepad)
proven tide
guess who isn't helping 
in case you didn't get it, Calamitas is a woman you fool, you cretin, you moron
ebon yacht
i hope that made it clear enough. Seriously though, playing this mod on multiplayer is the only way I was able to beat SCal. Had to rely on other people's weapons lol.
ashen warren
I don't see how you can't reach scal.
hollow saffron
because yoyos dont reach her
the only auric yoyo available for scal is the oracle'
and it doesnt reach the bros
you have to get azathoth to reach the bros
oh wait
I wonder which boss you have to defeat to get the Azathoth yoyo
ebon yacht
It's the two summons on the left and right side that I'm having difficulty reaching. They stay a set distance away. I literally have to dash to the left or right to tap them. And that's it - just one hit. There's no way a yoyo-pure can kill SCal
hollow saffron
^
ashen warren
You can reach scal last I checked, you need to build for it though.
hollow saffron
friendly reminder you're doing this while at the same time you have to dodge
ebon yacht
yep
ashen warren
I actually can't remember if you could reach them with range spec or not.
I'll test.
viscid tiger
I remember someone doing a yoyo scal
hearty yew
@ebon yacht please equip elemental gauntlet + yoyo bag + celestial shell + auric melee, use yharim stims, and whip out the oracle
yoyo bag is a polarizingly broken item already
If anything it should be nerfed or removed and all yoyos should be buffed to compensate
You can reach scal quite easily. You'll struggle with the Bros but that's cause they got reworked
queen sail
Oracle is borderline broken
hollow saffron
but he's talking about the bros
queen sail
Literally the only thing holding it back is range
hearty yew
Adding an upgraded yoyo bag purely because yoyos struggle vs. scal seems a little excessive, the fix seems to be to extend oracle's (and azathoth's) range
Yes so let me explain
queen sail
Which makes it difficult to use against scal (who tends to be far away)
hollow saffron
azathoth is good anyway
hearty yew
Expanding yoyo range turns out to be super hard in code
hollow saffron
projectiles
hearty yew
We wanted Oracle to have more range
Like 6-10 blocks more
But we couldn't figure it out unfortunately
queen sail
Doesn’t that, like
hollow saffron
smh just increase the oracle's range then nerf it a bit
hearty yew
If we figure it out trust me we'll expand the range of most post ML yoyos
grizzled matrix
Wait but isn't Ark only post-one mech?
ashen warren
Ark is indeed only a mech unless the souls were added to it.
Since you need excalibur not true excalibur.
zenith hazel
why?
ashen warren
Supreme salami.
hollow shell
@charred pawn Bad meme
proven tide
@charred pawn good meme
ashen warren
Man, I thought clams were scals favorite food.
proven tide
mork refers to her as clamtits endlessly
lost agate
Jesus what happened
ashen warren
This.
dusty stirrup
lefunny
lost agate
@proven tide you might wanna not do that next time
teal ibex
ngl if oracle in its current state could reach bros i'm pretty sure it'd just be the best option for scal minus the heart orbs
might be wrong about that since it's been rebalanced a lot
but imo the bros phase is definitely a rough patch, but an arguably necessary one since it performs so well besides those
at least from what i recall
grizzled matrix
Supreme Salami 
ebon yacht
@hearty yew Although an accessory boosting the max range of yoyos is more desirable, if you would rather just edit the properties of the yoyo projectiles themselves, couldn't you just do: public override void SetStaticDefaults() {ProjectileID.Sets.YoyosMaximumRange[projectile.type] = 900f;}
Or does that create conflicts?
teal ibex
if the answer seems obvious and an entire team of devs couldn't come up with it, it's probably more complicated than you think
faint needle
That's Terraria for ya
worthy fiber
It'd look cool but I think it might murder texture pack compatibility more 
tired haven
Hmm, mayhaps
Didn't think about that ngl
oh well, if it will it may just not be implemented,
lost agate
Also, i think the red light is just part of the sprite soooo
worthy fiber
The entire segment's texture would be replaced
frail mantle
would it not be possible to just add a differently colored glowmask that replaces the old one?
lost agate
No because the sprite has a red light on it
hollow saffron
so now sprite overrides
lost agate
You would have a red light that glows green
frail mantle
i see
void kelp
It would be sick
worthy fiber
I'm not sure how glowmasks work
Either it says which pixel to make glow or it's an overlapping texture
Actually it's probably the second
void kelp
You’d probably have to make it 100% opaque if that’s even possible
lost agate
Yeah the red is part of the sprite
frail mantle
aren't glowmasks separate textures?
lost agate
Ye
hollow saffron
Which would now require someone to resprite the destroyer so the red isnt part of the sprite, and then to overwrite the existing vanilla sprite to make it change colors.
Or couldnt you just change the hue of the sprite
faint needle
It would be a neat change, but too heard to code basically
worthy fiber
That'd affect the metal and look like it was hit with ichor
Calamity already replaces some vanilla sprites with identical ones
hollow saffron
hm?
worthy fiber
Which is why the Hearts and Stars aren't affected by the texture pack
Shadowflame as well
hollow saffron
Server suggestion: Add in a Calamity trivia bot, kinda like the one in the official Terraria server
Reason: Given the lore and overall size of the mod, I think it would be cool to have a bot that can quiz people on their knowledge of the lore. (Also because the terraria trivia bot got ruined in the last update).
worthy fiber
Kinda useless
tired haven
It will be too fat of an addition effort-wise and trivia would be too inactive given the server size
plucky matrix
trivia is fun though
hollow saffron
it was fun in the official discord until they made it so people got different point values for being x place in trivia
and you would still get cooldown
(plus they wrongly said i used macros to cheat, which i didnt, so i left)
hearty yew
@ebon yacht @teal ibex so you think that would work but then you read yoyo AI and it doesn't consult that list last I checked >_>
I'll test it now that 0.11 is out though
lost agate
If there was lore trivia bot then lore discussion would be infested with bot stuff rather than actual lore discussion
And im sure some of the staff wouldnt like adding more bots here
sand umbra
@ebon yacht
Create an UPGRADED YOYO BAG that extends all yoyo's maximum distance even further.
I feel like there's no love for yoyos in the Calamity Mod
Yoyos are USELESS against Supreme Calamitas
Alright I dunno where the hell this "yo-yos trash" train came from --- probably Oblit momentum, now that I think of it --- but I'm really gettin' sick of it.
The Oracle got grounded hard, yes, hell it probably needs something of a re-buff (though perhaps not quite to pre-nerf levels!) to make it a truly worthwhile investment again. That doesn't mean it's useless, far from it. If you're building for melee speed (if you aren't doing that to begin with, you're doing it wrong) and can consistently manage to lure the brothers into nuking range, which I imagine isn't too terribly difficult as SCal herself doesn't fire five thousand projectiles at you during the brothers phase, the Oracle can hit them just fine.
The Yoyo Bag does not need an upgrade, a buff, or anything of the sort. It is already excessively powerful as is. Ideally, it needs to fucking die and be replaced by an actual progression of accessories for the various throws in the game, but chances are that's not going to happen just yet. If you wanna suggest an upgraded range accessory, why not a direct String upgrade or just some later-game yo-yo accessories in general? That'd give yo-yos more love while not trying to justify the existence and obtaining of the single most broken accessory in the game. Personally, I'd love to see a wider variety of accessories for yo-yos, something to give me a reason to actually use more than just a glass cannon melee speed setup with one accessory out of place. Just something that's not a Yoyo Bag upgrade.
I entirely agree with the assessment that yo-yos don't get enough love in Calamity or in general, biased as I may be, but further buffing an already broken accessory...isn't the right way to go about it.
Sorry about the rambling, and apologies if I came off as aggressive, which I'm almost certain I did. I'm just...tired. Tired of this ill-advised argument that yo-yos are bad. They're not.
queen sail
Yoyos are generally useless against scal due to her tendency to be far away
distant gyro
Oblit momentum? New obliterator is borderline broken
queen sail
Also it depends on your resolution
queen sail
My yoyos can probably reach her but I got 1366 reso
Max
Fuck this shitty laptop, amirite
distant gyro
720p can't reach bros
queen sail
distant gyro
sand umbra
distant gyro
Now that you have this knowledge, I'd suggest an accessory for yoyos that pull enemies towards the yoyo
queen sail
When you were going to suggest a Bumblebirb-themed Swarmer upgrade but then you remembered that the specific item ban happened
ebon yacht
@queen sail I'm running the game at 1440p, but I don't think resolution matters past 1080p. That being said, I still can't reach SCal's two brothers with Oracle.
queen sail
Ozz said something earlier about being unable to increase oracle’s range despite them wanting to
zenith hazel
you can swerve side to side to hit bros with oracle iirc
queen sail
Unsure why, doesn’t sound like the code for that would be too complex
queen sail
That might be a vanilla oversight
Because increasing it too much causes the yoyo to spaz out
karmic stone
It does, but melee speed is hardcapped at 70% with calamity installed
ebon yacht
@sand umbra I don't know about a yoyo trash train or anything like that. I've been working on a yoyo range extension mod for weeks now, but because I've never coded before in my life, I figured it'd be better to have experienced programmers take a shot at it.
sand umbra
There's been a trend lately where people like to argue that yo-yos are trash.
Even though they're not.
queen sail
I mean tbh I had Terrarian as one of the main weps in my hotbar
sand umbra
The Terrarian is...a particular case.
It defeats donuts + Birb pretty well and then fails hard against Provi because of i-frame memes.
queen sail
Also the projectiles have a short distance
lost agate
@queen sail if it wasnt too complex, range would have been buffed already
Trust me we tried several times
queen sail
Red made 10000+ lines of code for an ai that just walks and jumps towards the player
lost agate
The answer is always: EoW is not a boss
queen sail
lost agate
You dont need more info
sand umbra
Yeah EoW is not a boss internally.
That's all you need to know.
queen sail
Also is vanilla code really just IF ELSE spam
sand umbra
Yes.
Yes it is.
It is the biggest collection of if-elses and switch cases you've ever seen.
placid moth
Apparently EoW was a big fuck up by some spriter but they decided to go with it, or so I heard.
lost agate
What does the sprite have to do with it not being a boss smh
queen sail
Vanilla code bad
sand umbra
Vanilla code makes for a good dinner at your local Italian restaurant.
queen sail
It’s no wonder mods tend to outdo it
sand umbra
Because Jimmy fucking Chrysler on a Crystal Piercer it's spaghetti.
sand umbra
I haven't even seen Clam code and I have no doubt it's a billion times easier to rea--
karmic stone
@wooden leaf why do you want them to be obsolete?
sand umbra
Wait what.
zenith hazel
solar eclipse mothrons for yharon 2
wooden leaf
To make them not obsolete
sand umbra
New Mechs are fine smh--
zenith hazel
but like... why make mechs obsolete?
radiant meadow
none of them are obsolete though?
karmic stone
Wdym it literally says so in your suggest
radiant meadow
mechs are supposed to be harder
queen sail
Also you forget that hallowed bars exist
ashen warren
The alts are easier so you can get souls easier.
quiet abyss
"make the Mech bosses obsolete"
"why do you want them to be obsolete?"
"To make them not obsolete"
Make up your mind, dude.
karmic stone
"The alt mechs should also be buffed to make the mechs obsolete"
radiant meadow
mechs drop more important materials
zenith hazel
but you still need hallowed bars
karmic stone
ashen warren
The mechs gatekeep hallowed bars and eclipse and natural plantera bulb spawns.
zenith hazel
alts have weapons, mechs have bars and mothrons
pick one.
queen sail
Mechs gatekeep an easier method of obtaining broken hero swords
sand umbra
(Also you can just skip straight to LC and then come back and nuke them with post-LC or post-ML gear lole--)
queen sail
Unless you find fighting a boss with a longass phase 2 10 times better than zerging an eclipse, then no
ashen warren
Unironically did that with old prime every time, thomas.
sand umbra
I did it with all the old Mechs ngl.
I despised the Mechs and everything about them for the longest time.
queen sail
I always ended up doing Twins first
sand umbra
Now they're fun though and I don't entirely mind dying a few times on-tier to them. 
karmic stone
They already deleted the suggest, keep talking about yoyos people
sand umbra
br0ski
ashen warren
They didn't rework it?
karmic stone
That was quickly settled, ok
ashen warren
Alrighty.
karmic stone
No
sand umbra
Ayy, I'm not the only one that remembers that Snow somehow trumps all.
Seriously why do Snow Blocks never get converted to anything.
lost agate
It has the same power as clay 
sand umbra
queen sail
Astral clay needs a sprite more than snow tbh
Sure snow doesn’t get converted but at least ice does
Meanwhile clay sticks out like a fuckin sore thumb
ashen warren
Astral enemies don't spawn on snow right?
plucky matrix
I thought chaining suggestions isn't allowed 
placid moth
Why not just paint the snow blocks
smoky wagon
evil biome snow blocks would be pain to code
Vanilla biome spreading in general is difficult
placid moth
^
tired haven
Literally first pin says no chaining so
sand umbra
evil biome snow blocks would be pain to code
Wouldn't it be just as pain as any other biome spreading iirc--
Doesn't seem any different.
Would just be an issue of getting the right blocks to be detected and converted.
ashen warren
As I recall the biome spread code is really ech.
Like how moving where the dungeon spawns is considered not an option, like that level of ech.
sand umbra
So not very ech.
ModWorld.ModifyWorldGenTasks is a beautiful method--
Honestly though the way you say it makes it sound pretty lousy to figure out.
ashen warren
I've had rover tell me straight that it was probably never gonna happen because of how the dungeon gen works.
sand umbra
radiant meadow
@warm dock adding an 8th accessory slot would require an inordinate amount of extra code work to the point where it's not worth it
warm dock
oh ok
radiant meadow
and you're already extremely powerful as is with 7 acc slots
warm dock
but is calamity mod adding more bosses?
cyan lagoon
yes
radiant meadow
yes
radiant meadow
endgame boss progression is pinned in #calamity-mod-talk
warm dock
is it post calamitas
radiant meadow
the order is in said pin
ashen warren
Draedon is after Yharon, SCal is after Draedon, Yharim is after both.
Noxus and Xeroc are superbosses.
still saying Goozma despite the name is changed. 
faint needle
If anything there should be a new acc slot post yharim tbh
radiant meadow
why though
there's no need for an 8th acc slot
the aftermath of yharim is likely far less than the aftermath of wof and ml
odd orchid
yeah there's literally only one other boss to beat (and maybe BR too)
hollow shell
@warm dock Don't give names to the items that you're suggesting
Because that makes them specific
s'not a big problem in this case but the suggestion should just ask to add any post-SC item that gives you another accessory slot, even if it isn't named "Hellfire Orb"
ashen warren
@warm dock The game breaks if you have more than 7 accessory slots iirc
queen delta
🍝 code
faint needle
Oh wow
hollow shell
For some reason Terraria has an unused possible 7th accessory slot
which Calamity utilizes
but anything after that a mod needs to do on its own, which has been done before to some extent, though I can only imagine the coding pain
void kelp
wingslot and cheat sheet come to mind w bonus acc slots but iirc both took a long time to even be possible
opal barn
inb4 master mode adds the seventh acc slot and everything is fucked
lost agate
Inb4 master mode adds something
hollow saffron
^
lost agate
foggy kindle
hollow saffron
inb4 master mode ruins all pretense of revengeance/death mode even existing
tawny tide
lul
sand umbra
It's just stat boost memes.
Revengeance is better, it makes the Mechs not smelly. u-u
tawny tide
^
ashen warren
just wait for when it gets ranked F and fab instantly buffs it 
radiant meadow
I'd like for it to use a custom projectile that uses local immunity
and for reaver mage and summoner to also use that projectile
moreso reaver mage
grizzled matrix
Also why does Spaz have normal mode charges in rev+?
Expert had faster charges
But now he dashes like normal spaz until low hp/ret's death
sand umbra
Quagmire is just.
It's not a good throw.
It's one of three post-Plantera throws yet is outclassed by the Kraken, which in turn is outclassed by The Eye of Cthulhu.
ashen warren
What if it exploded into iframe ignoring spores around it, sorta like the gold orbs that oracle has?
radiant meadow
a large part of quagmire's issue is that the spore clouds don't ignore i frames
sand umbra
Mhm.
brittle merlin
I mean none of the other events have new stuff iirc
void kelp
the others do tho
ashen warren
imo when post moon lord moon events get new stuff the other events should get more new stuff too
void kelp
darksun fragments, endothermic energy + nightmare fuel, shadowflame equip
red stormBOT
radiant meadow
¯_(ツ)_/¯
hollow shell
Another (mini)boss for Pirate Invasion probably isn't needed
You already have Captains, and the big ship Dutchmen that show up halfway through
it'd be better to give Flying Dutchmen more functional buffs, new attacks
sand umbra
Honestly? Give the enemies some more attacks later on in particular.
hollow shell
Honestly if you allow Flying Dutchman to fly and shoot through tiles then it'd be at least a concern
sand umbra
Can we make that a thing?
Because as it is right now I can make the thing not even a concern just by leading it into the side of my NPC housing.
Yes, you heard me right. Leading a Pirate Dutchman into an NPC hotel or other tall building will completely incapacitate it, because it tries to stay level but also tries to attack and thus cannot hit you or anybody else with half a brain, including your NPCs.
I don't mind it when I'm later on farming for e.g. the Greedy Magnet from Thorium or the Coin Gun. But it's still absurd.
queen sail
Flying Dutchman was infamous for being a shitty miniboss
As soon as 1.3 came out
Literally a 1 tile wall will render it worthless
hollow shell
Pirate Captains are more of a threat
because they at least have a machine gun that they endlessly unload into you on sight
queen sail
I remember svgamer227 (whatever his name was) suggesting a phase 2 as well as legitimate drops
queen delta
Pirate Corsairs are now faster and can go through walls, similar to Thrashers.
Pirate Crossbowers shoot Ichor Arrows and now wield a Raider's Glory.
Pirate Deadeyes now shoot Verium Bullets to compensate for their bad aim.
Pirate Deckhands can now throw mini-cannonballs at you, and if they melee-strike you, you drop the weapon you're holding.
Parrots now have Etherian Wyvern AI, but move faster.
Pirate Captains spawn a parrot every 2 seconds, shoots Crystal Bullets, and the cannonball has the blast radius of a dynamite.
Flying Dutchmans' cannons shoot meteor shots at you, as well as bouncy bombs that home into you similar to Plantera's thornballs. It can now spawn Pirate Captains.
fresh harbor
Hello masomode
radiant meadow
also, not a fan of pirates phasing through walls
queen delta
queen sail
Tbh this sounds like something Terry would do
So you’re better off suggesting in that place
radiant meadow
I don't know about you but I'd be screaming irl if a person phased through the walls of my house.
some of these changes could be passed off as rev changes
but reworking vanilla rev+ bosses is more of a priority
queen delta
i was just memeing here lol
sand umbra
ree
plucky matrix
there's people legitimately doing pirate invasion?
sand umbra
ok no i'm not making this a meme
ruby cobalt
@eager palm food
sand umbra
Well yeah.
eager palm
what
sand umbra
Gotta get the chad Coin Gun that broke with recent TML iirc l0le--
ruby cobalt
plucky matrix
rob so lazy smh
radiant meadow
@ember coral please don't post meme suggestions
ruby cobalt
😔
sand umbra
pensi
eager palm
:(
young fog
pebsib
radiant meadow
okay now back to normal suggestions discussion please
sand umbra
SO ANYWAY ABOUT THE PIRATES--
I want more Pirate Invasion drops.
More of a reason to actually fight the bastards instead of just not really caring.
plucky matrix
I never fought pirates in my life because there is legit nothing that's even remotely interesting about it tbh
a few drops there could be a nice touch imo
faint needle
I have fought the pirates for the achievement
I usually try to avoid them when they pop up naturally
ashen warren
stupid joey don't you want the money accessories
sand umbra
Some new drops for the Pirates, maybe some more stuff the enemies can do.
faint needle
laughs in alchnpc tinkerer
noble sonnet
I was hoping for more piratey pirates
sand umbra
Something that makes me not want to commit die whenever the Pirates just decide to show up.
gaunt gazelle
non boss enemies need to actually be a threat otherwise its just boring grinding for pirate drops
sand umbra
That too.
radiant meadow
Invasions will make you want to commit die regardless of what changes
hollow shell
@steel raptor #changelogs
Could we consider that implemented? 
steel raptor
Somewhat Sors my suggestion was an hour before the #changelogs balance occurred.
ashen warren
@magic verge calamity is balanced around calamity and vanilla is balanced around vanilla, and changing vanilla weapons to fit calamity would probably take, like, effort, and it doesn't seem like a huge priority, there's my feedback
unique vector
@magic verge the tier list ranking is being done purely out of entertainment that we had decided to do now, which we couldn’t do earlier because 1) we didnt have a channel to livestream on until recently and 2) we just came up with the ranking idea thanks to hectic for bringing it up to us.
we were additionally thinking of changing some weapons based on how we ranked them yes, but it was mostly just for fun. so don’t make comments like “oh how come you’re doing this now and not sooner”.
and no, we won’t rank vanilla weapons on it because we wanted it to be calamity only at the beginning. plus adding vanilla weapons would take ages to set up and then get through.
i really don’t know what you mean by vanilla armor being overshadowed by calamity. there are tons of vanilla armors that arent, including gladiator, spectre, spooky, titanium/palladium, pillar fragments armor, etc
steel raptor
vanilla also has a lot of underpowered crap that nobody talks about
unique vector
if you want vanilla gear to be buffed please point out specific examples with evidence that it underperforms for its tier, such as dps tests on bosses or comparing experiences with different accessories/armor. purely saying “please balance all of vanilla” is extremely vague and unhelpful.
steel raptor
I'm not saying vanilla gear should be buffed, I'm just saying that nobody cares about the lack of balance vanilla weapons have.
unique vector
my statement was directed to the general public, didn’t mean to sound like i was addressing you specifically
open sphinx
so does that mean the post is technically 🏁
ashen warren
no
open sphinx
i mean buffing the rogue
open sphinx
oh ok
steel raptor
I mean, I wanted more than just a damage buff but if fab doesn't add more than just that it's fine with me.
hollow shell
Historically suggestions have been flagged as implemented even if they haven't been delivered yet
Just as long as the suggestion's goal was fulfilled one way or another
hollow shell
@spice flare Zerg?
hollow shell
Alternatively, Cryogen's a good way of getting them guaranteed
ashen warren
and just more of a reason to far cryogen with the new dedicated thing
spice flare
yes
hollow shell
ok cool
spice flare
I even put down a little blue candle
hearty yew
@magic verge @ashen warren I have plans to expand the vanilla weapon edits done by calamity far beyond simple damage buffs
hollow shell
Damn.
I guess just tough it out for now until you can craft the Cryo Key, then farm Cryogen with purchased Cryo Keys thereafter
hearty yew
Might take a while to implement them, we have a lot to go through first
hollow shell
We modifying the functions of vanilla weapons?
hearty yew
I wanted to make a modular framework to edit all basic stats of vanilla weapons
But yes
The tier list contains no vanilla content
hollow shell
I see
Usetime, knockback, and the like
hearty yew
But we don't ignore it
ashen warren
yeah sounds great, must take forever tho
hearty yew
Why else would we edit 50+ vanilla weapons
Oh it does
We spent 3 hours 46 minutes so far on the tier list and we only got to plantera
hollow shell
Have fun lad
viscid tiger
@spice flare you should zerg, eleum is not too hard to come by
queen delta
Oh boy making all the preboss ores swords (tin/tungsten/etc) unique
spice flare
I died 
ashen warren
nice, talking about terraria/calamity is for #calamity-mod-talk iirc
distant gyro
Make BoC drop Bloodletting essences and EoW drop Fetid essences in hm - to lessen the grind for blood relics
How's that
jovial spire
Make BoC and EoW drop Bloodletting Essence and Fetid Essence respectivly in HM
Why this should be added: Farming these essences can be a bit of a pain, especially in corruption worlds since you need them to make Blood Relics. This would fix that and it would go well with how Perfs drop ichor and Hive mind drops Cursed Flames in HM respectivly.
@distant gyro Mine is better 
queen delta
distant gyro
fix the spelling though
jovial spire
Yee ik my thumbs are fat
distant gyro
bro you didn't mention what you need to farm them for but ok
iirc those essences are only required for 2 things
the main chore is blood relic
misty igloo
@spice flare zerg potion is in calamity already, i believe it boosts spawns by 25x
fierce hedge
Isnt that the Chaos Candle?
distant gyro
@fierce hedge I would see that farming for Thorn Blossom would by way more potent then
but perhaps
also Chaos Candle - 15x
Zerg - 30x
Chaos + Zerg - 60x
fierce hedge
Exacly
misty igloo
ah my bad, 30 not 25
fierce hedge
It would also let you do Lunatic Cultist more
For instance, You would have to do the pillars over and over again just for a weapon of some sort
But now it wouldnt be that much of a problem because you would get way more fragments along the way
@distant gyro Or is there anything else much of a problem?
(Sorry for the ping btw)
distant gyro
idk
fierce hedge
Oof
distant gyro
maybe the first time you fight pillars fragments shouldn't drop as much
distant gyro
or pillar fragment drops increases drastically after deus has been defeated
fierce hedge
That can be a great idea aswell
distant gyro
to give people an incentive to fight deus before ml
fierce hedge
That would make Deus a bigger role aswell
Now I think about it, Meld blobs should also be dropped from the Nebula Pillar
After Deus
Or Moon Lord
cosmic musk
Could go the thorium route and have every pillar also drop an amount of meld bars (could turn them into meld fragments or something)
cosmic musk
just throwing it out there 🤷
fierce hedge
You should still be able to farm for hallowed bars and ectoplasm
cosmic musk
ectoplasm is like a non-issue with ectoblood being a thing
I would personally want to see farmable Chlorophyte
fierce hedge
Plantera after Golem?
distant gyro
chlorophyte is already farmable but it's hella slow
cosmic musk
like all the other ores have a slime associated with them
Well except Auric... an Auric slime would be hilarious tho
fierce hedge
Maybe let Plantera Drop Chlorophyte bars after Golem is defeated
distant gyro
Auric Slime
fierce hedge
fierce hedge
blue Astrageldon slime hahayes
distant gyro
I mean
many ore farm ideas are presented before
like these
oh that's pretty old
fierce hedge
I feel like there should be a small biome specificly for Aeralite bc you defeated the evil mind from the corrupted biome
And let the auric creatures roam free
Just my thought
cosmic musk
ok i put in my biweekly silly suggestion
fierce hedge
@cosmic musk Like the fungal cump itself? Or only upgrades
void kelp
you can just, unequip it
fierce hedge
@void kelp i think he's talking about the amalgam
cosmic musk
Allow toggling of The Amalgam's Fungal Clump minion via accessory visibility.
I... I think I did??
fierce hedge
Pretty sure you did
cosmic musk
It's right there LMAO
fierce hedge
Yeah
void kelp
oh wow i somehow didnt even read that
fierce hedge
Oof
placid moth
@ashen warren I think the 400% health boost is unnecessary artificial difficulty.
ashen warren
A challenge.
placid moth
DAD isn't enough of a challenge ?
ashen warren
Not really, actually.
fierce hedge
Plus it's not an option at all atm @ashen warren. You can just do it in the config which isnt really part of the game
ashen warren
Luxor's Gift + Mycoroot = Dead Hive/Perforator Hive in within 1 minute.
placid moth
The extra health is just excessive. I think it's an interesting idea for have a DAD exclusive drop, but we should really draw the line here.
ashen warren
*Hive Mind, sorry.
fierce hedge
Thats just hive mind you're talking about
ashen warren
Slime God is not really a challenge either.
fierce hedge
Do they have Legendary drops?
placid moth
PHM is not meant to be a challenge
fierce hedge
Nope.
ashen warren
True.
But increasing boss health is optional challenge. If you decide to make boss fights an endurance challenge, why not give some rewards for insane challenges?
Even if it's just increased drop rate.
It's just my opinion.
fierce hedge
@ashen warren Thats just a challenge. But 20% Drop change it ridiculous. Desides, DAD doesnt add any rewards to begin with
Its just a challenge you can do
placid moth
Is this a Deathmode exclusive suggestion too ?
distant gyro
Beating a boss in DAD already gives you 6 bags with a chance of 5% to get a legendary
That's a theoretical 30%
fierce hedge
And then adding 20%
Thats like almost a guarandeed chance for a legendary. Which is just ridiculous
zenith hazel
10x HP + DAD is fun? when?
tired haven
in prehm when defiled bigger downside doesn't take place
zenith hazel
tired haven
(all of them in case of dad mode, actually)
pliant bone
Unless you are the few people like me who usually uses skyline wings for WoF
faint needle
Isnt verticality practically useless against wof
void kelp
to dodge the lasers it’s useful
fierce hedge
^
void kelp
prolly useful for more consistent vertical motion in trade for acceleration a la bundle of balloons
sand umbra
Elysian Wings buff
hellyes
It always confused me that Elysian Wings were so much weaker than Tarragon Wings.
Especially given the fact that Elysian Wings were an Expert+ exclusive set for the longest time.
distant gyro
Uelibloom is supposed to be stronger than direct Providence drops
but Elysian Wings are just bad, no offense
sand umbra
Hadarian Wings are in a weird spot rn.
distant gyro
It's completely outclassed by xeroc wings and its hoverability can't do shit
I want it to be moved to post aureus tier ngl
zenith hazel
they will have to compete with aureate booster I guess
tired haven
Would it be competition if it's opposite effect?
distant gyro
Perhaps
sand umbra
void kelp
don’t boosters have that benefit of faster acceleration?
distant gyro
But make the wings themselves worthy of being post-deus
zenith hazel
maybe make hadarian have less acceleration but more flight time compared to aureate?
void kelp
I feel like that’s a fair trade off yeah
distant gyro
Flight time king - spooky
Acceleration king - aureate
sand umbra
Hadarian could probably stand to make you gotta go fast even more now since it's post-Cultist.
arctic wren
how does xeroc compare to fishron wings
frail mantle
iirc before it was moved Hadarian Wings had better acceleration but worse flight time than Aureate Boosters
lost agate
Who is gonna use tarragon wings at all if elysian wings get the same flight time
sand umbra
Who's gonna use Elysian Wings at all period
distant gyro
Apart from underwater
sand umbra
distant gyro
arctic wren
I see ... kinda sad then given fishron wings are harder to get
zenith hazel
and then xeroc is like... kill some enemies lole
lofty blade
The people who will use Tarragon Wings if Elysian Wings are buffed are people who fight Provi in hell.
fierce hedge
I feel like Celestial tracers have too much acceleration
sand umbra
smh I always fight Provi in hell.
fierce hedge
^
sand umbra
Or at least a good chunk of the time I do.
fierce hedge
Elysian aegis all the way
lofty blade
I think making arenas in hell is way easier than making them in the hallow, especially for provi
and also people who want elysian aegis
lost agate
Question is
sand umbra
It's way easier than Hallow for the first time because I don't wanna commit die trying to ensure I won't fling myself out of the biome I'm supposed to stay in.
lost agate
Would you go out of your way to go get uelibloom and craft wings just for hallowed provi
lost agate
Where as of rn tarragon wings can be used after getting elysian wings cuz theyre a bit better
distant gyro
Yes I would if Seraph Tracers wouldn't trump both either way
By trumping I meant in casual playthroughs-
lofty blade
see tarragon wings are available literally right after getting elysian, so you get basically 0 time to use them, and you also lose out on elysian aegis since you bothered to fight provi in the hallow
lost agate
But you see
arctic wren
I always fight provi in hell the first time because of that ^
lost agate
Tarragon needs you to at least go to jungle, craft the gallant pick if you havent, melt it in bars and craft the wings
distant gyro
Yea but
lost agate
Where as elysian just drop from provi
radiant meadow
if I fight prov in hell for aegis, by the time I go for wings, doggo is dead
distant gyro
^
zenith hazel
yeah I'd usually leave wings for post-DoG anyway
seraph is good enough to carry till DoG
sand umbra
I'll say it because it's the truth: the reason a lot of people get Elysian Wings is for Elysian Tracers.
placid moth
^
distant gyro
Truth is most people go tracers everything tbh
lofty blade
But for those who get elysian wings to use them, they just throw them away for tarra wings 5 minutes later, making elysian obsolete
lost agate
So i dont see the point of making tarragon wings worse just so elysian wings can be a bit stronger when no one is really gonna use them
As sad as it can be, for most, elysian wings are just a material
sand umbra
lost agate
Meanwhile aegis is that one dash you get after most of HM without getting one
sand umbra
Elysian Aegis dash is nice.
radiant meadow
Perhaps elysian wings could get a hover or some other type of boost to make it more unique from tarragon rather than just matching flight time
sand umbra
I'd be cool with that.
lost agate
Yeah im just saying making them identical wont help the case of either
distant gyro
Makes sense
lofty blade
that's an idea
distant gyro
Considering provi herself "hovers"
lofty blade
so should I edit my suggestion to include that?
lost agate
If you want to yeah
lofty blade
done
zenith hazel
well technically, love potions are somewhat useful in making cadance potions
jaunty bronze
Oh shoot, forgot about that :d
zenith hazel
but yeah, I agree, there's relatively no reason to use 10 blood orbs for a damn stink potion
jaunty bronze
It's actually 50 for the raw potions vs 40 for an upfront Cadance
lost agate
Ever since it was like 6 potions in one
hollow saffron
@trim sedge add a reason
fierce hedge
Omega potions more like farm Yharon
zinc thunder
wait a second
radiant meadow
Wings are more thematic with aerospec than statigel
zinc thunder
both
faint needle
Wot
radiant meadow
Since aerialite is themed with air
zinc thunder
wings
faint needle
Everything aerialite is between evil2 and sg iirc
placid moth
aerialite wings may be bad but if you have BoB why would you need wings
radiant meadow
There is no need for another pair of wings
faint needle
Which actually fills a gap
Aerialite are pretty good for their placing iirc
Or Atleast ok
zinc thunder
i get your reasoning, but one more thing before i leave
brittle merlin
Yes?
zinc thunder
faint needle
Visibility off
neon birch
vanity
zinc thunder
im in pre hm
faint needle
And?
neon birch
where smth that does match it
zinc thunder
aerialite armor
neon birch
yes
faint needle
Visibility can be turned on/off since pre boss
zinc thunder
idk, im just complaining over nothing
placid moth
Are you trying to justify your SG wings just because it looks good with statigel gear
neon birch
dye it
placid moth
What was the point of that image hecc
zinc thunder
im saying it doesn't fit
neon birch
vanity or dye
zinc thunder
both, the texture of the wings isnt right
and turning off wings always looked strange to me
¯_(ツ)_/¯
placid moth
Then don't use the wings
lost agate
And why is this on suggestions instead of bugs then
faint needle
Then does all of pre skele look weird to you?
zinc thunder
no
lost agate
I think youre losing the point here
Wings look detached
But its a totally separate thing
That should be in bugs rather than here
faint needle
That sounds pretty cool ngl
whole stag
i will edit my suggestion.
lost agate
@balmy imp maybe, and no
hollow shell
@balmy imp boo
faint needle
@balmy imp congrats menji, you got yourself banned!
hollow shell
Lorde suggestions not allowed
Just remove that bit and then give reasoning to your Angry Dog bit
fierce hedge
^
balmy imp
no pls dont
sand umbra
-2/10, literally unreadable. Contains L word.
fierce hedge
@balmy imp Before you suggest. READ THE PINS
balmy imp
the lorde was a joke but but angry dog is the actuall suggestion
lost agate
ban
Whoa hold on
fierce hedge
#2
lost agate
We dont ban for that
fierce hedge
Dont joke in suggestions
sand umbra
That said I'll gladly accept an Angry Dog spawnrate buff.
faint needle
I was joking
fierce hedge
Are you even allowed to joke
faint needle
Same with angry dog tho
sand umbra
The damn things are a nightmare to find normally and I honestly prefer them to anything else when farming Leather.
balmy imp
ok if im gonna suggest something else im gonna remember i cant say jokes sorry didint know about it
faint needle
Read pins
hollow shell
Please do try to keep it serious
balmy imp
i will
calm onyx
Better leather farming is a definite yes from me. Voodoo dolls are smelly.
frail mantle
you can make a few jokes in the suggestions i think, the suggestion itself shouldn't be a meme or joke though
balmy imp
not only for leather but if someone wants cryophobia
sand umbra
I honestly prefer Angry Dogs to performing the systematic genocide of thousands of Corruption creatures simply so that I can actually make dolls without wanting to off myself with how much of a nuisance Leather is to get.
civic pond
sand umbra
How did you forget the Guide Voodoo Doll crafting mat existed smh
hollow shell
@fierce hedge Vortex?
fierce hedge
Woops
faint needle
I was also wondering
radiant meadow
Cryophobia has a slightly increased drop rate over normal enemies
fierce hedge
Vortex got in my head
hollow shell
thanks
radiant meadow
1% chance
fierce hedge
Woops
sand umbra
Personally I think Meld Blobs should just drop from Pillar enemies in general.
fierce hedge
Its good now
sand umbra
fierce hedge
Eh idk
radiant meadow
You're not meant to farm for rivs
hollow shell
yeah we get it
sand umbra
Wait, we're not supposed to farm for things like Infinity?
fierce hedge
I was thinking either Nebula Pillar drops it or ML but you need Meld blobs to kill ML
Rofl
sand umbra
balmy imp
does anyone think there should be more shrines and shrine items?
fierce hedge
Not really
hollow shell
We have quite a few
balmy imp
yes but im just kinda asking
hollow shell
8 standard ones in a world, plus Murasama and Terminus if you wanna count those
balmy imp
or at least make some of them upgrade as you progress
sand umbra
Tundra Leash buff post-Cryo anyone?
hollow shell
Luxor's and Symbiote already do :P
balmy imp
ye but the granite thing is pretty nice and it dont scale
hollow shell
It does
balmy imp
since when?
hollow shell
Since implementation
sand umbra
Luxor's, Symbiote, and Core all scale because they're based on weapon damage.
balmy imp
oh right
hollow shell
(core?)
sand umbra
Unstable Core.
balmy imp
but locket doesnt scale
hollow shell
Unstable Prism
hollow shell
Locket indeed doesn't scale because it's not based on weapon damage
sand umbra
THEY LOOK SIMILAR OKAY--
Locket is like
strange.
The swords ignoring i-frames is nice and all but like
they barely fucking move.
radiant meadow
Excavator key scales too
balmy imp
for example post ml locket could have more blades and have a chance of breaking projectiles
excavator key?
fierce hedge
Excavator should be able to mine a sertain block depending on the progression
sand umbra
Excavator Key needs an upgrade to allow it to actually fucking jump and break late-game ores.
imo
zenith hazel
hm yes today I will completely delete scal’s abyssals
balmy imp
was it not the onyx car key?
sand umbra
The Onyx Excavator Key.
hollow shell
You're getting it confused with Cosmic Car Key
balmy imp
oh
sand umbra
fierce hedge
I'm in love with calawheeze
balmy imp
is it just me or is the ''something is aproaching'' message appearing to often?
distant gyro
Isn't it a 1/1000000 per frame
balmy imp
for me it appears every minute when i go to the corruption
zenith hazel
bad luck
balmy imp
yup
faint needle
Most things per frame aren't too much
balmy imp
and most of the time the boss wont even appear
faint needle
Terraria runs or 30 or 60 fps?
faint needle
Its your fault if you're in the underground
balmy imp
nvm not 60 like 35
faint needle
So its about 3600 frames per minute
distant gyro
game caps at 60
balmy imp
my framerate changes furiosly
distant gyro
ok so it's actually 1/50k
So a spawn theoretically happens every 13.9 minutes with smooth 60fps
balmy imp
all i know is that its annoying as hell
my fps furiosly changes between 60 and 35 and the spawns are like every 1-5 minutes
queen sail
Uhhhh
distant gyro
The lower the fps the longer it should take
queen sail
Turn off Death maybe?
distant gyro
queen sail
balmy imp
nah im doing death arma playthrough
i swear to god corruption monsters
ok like 500 tiles down and corr monsters stop spawning finally
balmy imp
ik the converstion kinda moved here after some time
balmy imp
but im back in mod talk
indigo lintel
add yharims bdsm kit
frail mantle
no
queen sail
queen delta
If meld blobs are moved to pillar, it’d be even harder to grind
karmic stone
You can keep killing enemies and ignore the pillar, which is way better
queen delta
Seems like no one knows the strat of popping a zerg and killing 100 brain sucklers a minute
Which is very easily doable with pre-pillar stuff
hollow saffron
^
smoky wagon
nebula floaters
lost agate
Imagine asking for balance on a weapon when stream is happening
west prairie
We all knew a change was forthcoming, I just wanna put in my idea for what it would be
west prairie
damages other people i guess
lost agate
By the power of liquids
west prairie
the logic of liquid weapons has always been suspect
i just want my barracuda attack blood fountain
west prairie
this is a savage fish
lost agate
but being a savage fish doesnt make others blood into some sort of sharp needles or smth
karmic stone
You mean like Fargo's super bleeding?
lost agate
Ok but heres the deal with legendary summons, since all the other legendaries have a alt attack, what would a summon get that would be similar to that
zinc thunder
make the summoned pet have an alt attack where it like spews a barrage of something?
maybe set it to a key?
lost agate
I ask because right click on summon does the targetting
ashen warren
The right click would actually target
zinc thunder
yeah, maybe middle mouse or a set key could work
ashen warren
That's the alt fire.
lost agate
Bruh
zinc thunder
or if you are trying to target something or it will do a special attack at it then continue doing whatever it does
lost agate
Perhaps yeah
zinc thunder
i would base it off of a hunter pet from wow
when you attack something in game it targets
and then you can call it to do special attacks
or it could do the special attack on target
empty geyser
It’s nice to see no stupid suggestions in #suggestions-voting
zinc thunder
ive had a few