i don't think Crabbo is complex enough to fit as a hardmode boss tbh
#suggestions-discussion
frail mantle
tawdry magnet
Remind me of 6 yr olds asking for new ores at minecon
placid moth
Oh it's this guy with excellent high quality suggestions
proven tide
you've gotta provide your own "why" to combat existing "why not"s such as:
— no boss suggestions
— crab suggestions are overdone and i think they're in the suggestion don'ts
— crabulon has its own single place in the lore as a lower-tier base lifeform
— coding nightmare
— hardmode is slightly bloated as it is
because of those.
balmy coyote
By that logic Hive Mind/EoW should get buffs too since the corruption is made stronger in hardmode
placid moth
your reasoning is literally because there's hardmode enemies so there should be hardmode crab wtf
proven tide
@solemn flame and the pins specifically ask not to chain suggestions with "and"s and "ors"
also you don't even specify what you mean
solemn flame
@balmy coyote but the crimson kinda dies after perferatotor I thought
proven tide
if the suggestion above got deleted, what the fuck is someone supposed to get from that suggestion
solemn flame
Oh
proven tide
this is going great 
vetus for suggestions police when
but hey
at least they ain't self-starring
uwu
balmy coyote
There isnt anything too bad with that, other than chaining suggestions
proven tide
I think it's the https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Odd_Mushroom
ashen warren
No I mean specific suggestions aren't allowed.
solemn flame
Yea, it's 6 where I am
balmy coyote
Honestly I think itd be cool if there was a way to get the odd mushroom from something other than cirrus
solemn flame
Sry for confuaion
ashen warren
Specific item* sorry
solemn flame
@balmy coyote I thought possibly crabulon as a rare drop, no one liked it lol
proven tide
Requesting specific OC items of your personal tailoring is disallowed, but I think they meant the Odd Mushroom (which is evidently psychedelic, judging by the effects) and as such the suggestion would be allowed
solemn flame
Yea
ashen warren
But yeah if it's oddshroom whatever, the problem with the phrasing is that this is what the devs see if sent.
balmy coyote
If you edited it so that it's not chained to the previous suggestion then it would be fine
proven tide
already been addressed, seq
ashen warren
It's an image that's posted in ze dev serv.
proven tide
aaalready been addressed :uwu:
ashen warren
man, a magic dagger upgrade
More mimic bloat.
I don't like the thought of farming forever to get cross, cloak, stone, and now dagger.
proven tide
mimics: *barely exist*
the bee: yeah nah this is definitely a consistently ubiquitous enemy deserving of a 1% droprate item
faint needle
There are post moonlord enemies so make desert scourge post moon lord
swift bison
a fulley grown AS as a plague tier boss would be kinda cool tho
hollow shell
@solemn flame Don't chain/tack on to prior suggestions like that.
If you've got feedback or an idea for someone's suggestion, ping the suggester about it, or reword your suggestion so it stands on its own.
solemn flame
Ok
swift bison
ye
the lore item states it's only a juvenile, so a fully grown one at post-plant or plague tier would be cool
hollow saffron
yes
ashen warren
even more worm bosses 
elfin swan
What is calamity without worms
tough ruin
Nerf dog
frail mantle
how and why
tough ruin
Just nerf
frail mantle
i c
elfin swan
Is that his running gag
frail mantle
it seems so
hollow saffron
but why nerf dog
something that can literally devour deities should be hard to beat at the very least
lost agate
Crabulon in hardmode
B-but crabulon is a boss
hollow saffron
or just dont play in deathmode 4head
lost agate
Why use hardmode enemies as a reasoning if crabulon aint an enemy
elfin swan
Mini crabulon
lost agate
Mini crabulon?
placid moth
Wtf
grizzled matrix
What the fuck
How and why would you have multiple stacks of 999 platinum laying around?
elfin swan
More importantly why diamond and not like
A hardmode ore
fiery hamlet
generally killing like 40 calamity bosses with post ML weapons would do it
worthy fiber
It's been suggested before, I don't think it's possible on a technical level
crystal osprey
Instant retard money
worthy fiber
something something 32-bit
fiery hamlet
999 for one dia coin
i literally stated you get one dia coin when you pick up 100, like how every other type of coin works
grizzled matrix
That's not how the platinum coin system works though
Also would be tedious to implement
Bad suggestion periodt
fiery hamlet
bad because it's tedious to implement and because "that's not how the system works"?
good reasons
fiery hamlet
but it not being possible doesnt make the idea itself inherently bad
queen sail
Me to pretty much every suggestion that isn’t possible due to code limitations
lost agate
I mean, the idea stands, the limitations dont make it an awful suggestion
fiery hamlet
was actually a league of legends reference but good guess
hearty ermine
diamonds were not invented by Minecraft lmao
lost agate
@solemn flame wrong chat
queen sail
What
lost agate
You discuss stuff here not in #suggestions-voting
solemn flame
Whoops
faint needle
Nah man minecraft invented dirt, the sky every ore and every building material that's in the game
elfin swan
plush knot
coin ideas should be banned, CHANGE MY MIND
void kelp
it’s okay, the people will vote
civic pond
why tho
void kelp
I’d think it should only be banned if it starts to flood the dev server like specific item suggestions did
rn literally none of them make it to the dev server
empty geyser
All coins earned when you exceed the platinum coin stacking cap is discarded
Imagine that happening.
void kelp
- after a certain value of platcoins in bank it actually stops letting you buy stuff in the shop
cyan lagoon
doesn't it only do that if it's all a single stack
which doesn't happen normally unless you use maxstackplus or any mod that removes the stacking cap
fervent zealot
yeah, it only does the breaking if it's one stack,and the number is iirc 2148
civic pond
there's a reason they take up space
frail mantle
^
hot marsh
Alchemist have an item for using potions from piggy bank
civic pond
its the tradeoff for all their effects
hot marsh
why not an item for lore
hot marsh
Some lore items already have tradeoffs
unique vector
because this mod isnt alchemist npc
nor does fab want it to be as cheesy as alchnpc
i highly doubt he'd approve this suggestion if he looked at it
considering them taking up inventory space is the whole point instead of just "hey, free buff"
hot marsh
Cheesy as alchemistnpc? Buying potions is cheesy?
unique vector
yes
civic pond
blood orbs exist
unique vector
in his eyes you have to grind for the potions
especially with how much money rev+ gets you, its far easier to buy them than to grind for them
civic pond
all blood orbs do is speed up the process of not having to look for all the ingredients
unique vector
^
queen delta
Shamefully I used alchnpc for many months before I finally decided to stop using it a few weeks ago
unique vector
it still requires grinding however
civic pond
exactly
unique vector
i still use alchnpc when i dont want to farm forbidden frags
i personally farm for the raw ingredients, i dont like spending hours in blood moons
civic pond
besides if you were able to combine all the lore items into one fat fucking buff with no downsides that'd be pretty powerful
civic pond
hot marsh
I didn't say combine lore items
civic pond
ok let me rephrase
unique vector
anyway, im not approving this suggestion unless you revise it or delete it yourself. other people tried to suggest similar things before but to no avail
hot marsh
QoL upgrade
unique vector
nah
queen delta
They're free buffs but with a cost
unique vector
might as well have extensible inventory allow lore to be used no matter what inventory page you have active
hot marsh
It's not like they are super OP anyway
Why have them in your inventory if you can have them somewhere else and they still benefits you
frail mantle
"it's not like they're super op"
glances at Yharon lore
the point is that your suggestion would remove the only downside of Lore Items
hot marsh
Place in your inventory to gain nearly-infinite wing flight time but at the cost of a 25% decrease to all damage.
yeah
"super op"
decreases 25% of damage
hot marsh
Ufo mount doesn't exist
frail mantle
ufo mount is slow
devout seal
the brimrose is better then the ufo mount
frail mantle
^
hot marsh
and also the fabsol mount is faster and is pre yharon
frail mantle
that is also true
civic pond
AS lore is also really strong iirc
frail mantle
but wings give way better mobility than mounts in this mod, and having infinite flight time makes them pretty lole
civic pond
despite the nerf
frail mantle
ye
odd orchid
what's RTN?
frail mantle
Reaper Tooth Necklace
odd orchid
oooh
tired haven
RTN doesn't compensate for yharon lore nerf though, despite the numbers
Additive buff vs multiplier 
civic pond
😔
odd orchid
wut? Doesn't the RTN increase damage by 25 percent?
and the penetration?
unless I'm missing something
odd orchid
i'm cofused.
smoky wagon
It takes your dmg and reduces it by 25% after everything else is calculated
so RTN would boost dmg by 75% of 25%
Or 18.75%
civic pond
oh i see.
odd orchid
oohhh
civic pond
well shit
winged ice
I think "removing the fact that lore items take up inventory space" should be put on the "Don't suggest" list
odd orchid
honestly i think giving lore items any actual effects at all was a mistake.
odd orchid
._.
tired haven
About damage stuff, there are additional buffs and multipliers
Additional buffs sum with original 100% and other buffs. Due to that, their efficiency reduces based on how much buffs you already have
Most buffs are additional, like generic potions, armors, accessories
However, there is a second type, multipliers. They apply after the additional buffs came to work, and change damage by a multiplication (1.1x if it is +10%, 0.75x if -25%)
They are far more important and have tremendous impact on damage, but are rare. Only a few chosen items/buffs ever give it (like Striking Moment, Spectre Hood, etc.)
odd orchid
honestly tho. Complaining about an item taking up inv space when it Gives you a Buff in some way? Come on. there has to be at least some compromise, right? Some sacrifice for that bit of extra power.
tired haven
^
civic pond
Many people dont understand combining them isn't for convenience sake
odd orchid
and if you have some mods like maxstackplus and/or MagicStorage then it's even less of an issue
civic pond
exactly 
odd orchid
and I'm pretty sure LuiAFK lets you store Potions in your piggybank and buff from there, and/or lets you have neverending buffs if you have a full stack or more
tl/dr: Just- Deal with it. they take up space, get over it. you get buffs out of them in exchange.
civic pond
👍
empty geyser
The whole point of lore being useful is that in exchange, you give your inv space
toxic pagoda
yeah lore items can't just be too good like that
odd orchid
mmmmmhm. glad I'm not the only one who thinks this.
west prairie
thatsthepoint.jpg
odd orchid
^^^
west prairie
man people dont seem to understand the concept
warm dock
accidently pressed enter so im still editin it
civic pond
@warm dock Bestiary is pretty low priority right now, but 1.4 will add one i believe and i think calamity will eventually make one
warm dock
ok
radiant meadow
@ashen warren no meme weapons please
hollow shell
1.4 is indeed adding one and I'd be surprised if mods weren't given some access to it
radiant meadow
in fact, weapons aren't even allowed
radiant meadow
@sly wedge the DPSExtreme mod already does that
ashen warren
nvm then
lost agate
i can send you the vid if you want
civic pond
👀
radiant meadow
@warm dock you need to provide a better reason why Crabulon should be a hardmode boss. As well as where it would stand in progression.
As it stands, hardmode is already packed with bosses. You'll need good reasons why Crabulon shouldn't be phm and why it should be hm.
Additionally, a bestiary is something added to Terraria in 1.4. Calamity will not go out of its way to make its own. Once 1.4 rolls around, there likely will be support but that's quite far into the future.
civic pond
actually i've been meaning to ask
plucky matrix
question is though, will it support modded creatures
civic pond
do you think we'll be allowed to make suggestions for the bestiary when it rolls around?
on second thought
nevermind.
@lost agate also yes send me brick please
radiant meadow
@hot marsh making lore items more convenient to use whether by combining them or allowing them to work from piggy bank/safe/defender's forge would be quite overpowered. There is a reason this is how they are now. At the end of the day, they are optional free boosts.
Making lore items more convenient to use just isn't going to happen.
smoky wagon
the best option would be for lore items to have their own slots and be at a limit
maybe the farther your progress you could unlock more slots for them
but that would take work to code obviously
radiant meadow
extra inventory slots are extremely painful to code
smoky wagon
radiant meadow
wing slot mod already took a ton of work to make iirc
ashen warren
would they even be different tho
radiant meadow
@mossy light that won't happen. Re-logic does not want this.
radiant meadow
Dokuro contacted re-logic several months ago about this.
karmic stone
They are
radiant meadow
Here is the link to the relevant announcement post: https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/226068663663329282/511155989215707146
civic pond
ah i see.
mossy light
oh ok
void kelp
@wild yoke don’t forget the “why”
wild yoke
just posted why
karmic stone
why is it bad to farm an event?
radiant meadow
@wild yoke the way it is being changed to lets you craft cosmilite weapons earlier than currently in public
wild yoke
good to know
radiant meadow
god slayer armor and draedon's forge are both meant to be after the buffed moons
wild yoke
I personally don't like farming moon events due to their seasonal nature, and the fact that all other drops are nothing but inventory cloggers after DoG
karmic stone
wdym seasonal?
worthy fiber
They aren't dependent on the season
wild yoke
pumpkin is halloween themed, frost is winter/Christmas themed
void kelp
you can get pumpkin seeds from the dryad
worthy fiber
^
void kelp
and the summons are crafted w non-seasonal items
karmic stone
Yhea, but why is it bad in general for them to be season themed
wild yoke
I just mean that they reflect certain holidays, not that you can only fight them at one time of year
void kelp
also, I recommend the mod autotrash if you wanna get rid of inventory bloat
karmic stone
@wild yoke Yhea, we already adressed that, but you mentioned it as a reason to not be farmed
wild yoke
I do have autotrash, mostly for getting rid of purple clubberfish
it just feels weird to farm a christmas event in july, you know?
karmic stone
Okay (?)
wild yoke
also, I personally liked the old ways where cosmilite weapons were just cosmilite, and the buffed moons were optional to get auric armour
karmic stone
The thing is, you're using the word "personally" alot
Try to think more generally when making a suggestion
wild yoke
speaking of the old ways, I much preferred when cryonic bars were versitilite, perennial were draedon, and chaotic were cruptix
wild yoke
yeah, but it improved the flavour, if you know what I mean
karmic stone
you're still using "I"
worthy fiber
I think the newer names are simpler
Draedon bars wouldn't make as much sense anymore either
karmic stone
Lore
wild yoke
is draedon coming soon?
wild yoke
ok
radiant meadow
Perennial Bars are not associated with Draedon (anymore if they ever were)
wild yoke
also, btw, I do still approve of the darksun fragments, since solar eclipse is not seasonal, and generally more fun.
radiant meadow
removing darksun fragments from recipes would be pointless, anyways
it's the only new material of that tier
wild yoke
yeah
swift bison
Bestiary will be added in terraria 1.4
calamity NPCs will probably get entries in it after tmodloader and it get updated to 1.4
faint needle
I mean, if you have right gear its not even that hard to farm the seasonal events
usually around 300 is enough for all class weapons and armours for upcoming bosses
warm tinsel
@wild yoke yup he is
teal ibex
uhhh, no?
teal ibex
the next planned major update is the rogue expansion, and i dont think anybody has confirmed him coming in that update
faint needle
He is the next boss coming
so technically he is coming soon
even if its not the next update
teal ibex
indeed, but that isnt exactly soon
faint needle
Yeah
teal ibex
i think its important to be particular lest you misinform people
faint needle
It isnt exactly soon but neither is he far away
teal ibex
well, remember 1.4 is on the horizon. the rogue expansion may very well take too long to come out before then, and even assuming it does, there will be a recovery period before mods come back.
so responding to "dreadon soon?" with "yes" seems disingenuous
but this is fairly unrelated to suggestions at this point, so
teal ibex
huh? who told you that?
faint needle
But still, draedon will likely come after 1.4 as you said
queen delta
It’s 
teal ibex
i dont think rogue expansion qualifies as "mostly done", since im not sure its even begun work? 
ive fallen behind on testing for sure, but not that far
queen delta
It seems like they were going for patron items first
faint needle
Nah im pretty sure work began
teal ibex
where did you get said info about that
teal ibex
there is one mention in #mod-announcements that refers to continuing work on the rogue expansion, so yes, it seems to have in some capacity begun development
and im as excited as the next guy, but its a pet peeve of mine -- and likely many of the devs -- to have people suggest that stuff is coming sooner than expected. patience is important, and that includes sharing information, so just be a little more mindful when discussing when draedon is coming out, for example
faint needle
Yeah ill take your advice
opal barn
And don't listen to ferox about draedon
solemn flame
Wat
balmy coyote
Theres eyes literally everywhere
placid moth
bruh
faint needle
This channel is meant for disscussion of the suggs
#suggestions-voting is meant for the actual suggs
frail mantle
if you want to add something to someone's suggestion or have something to say about a suggestion, say it in here instead of in #suggestions-voting
faint needle
And by "mods see everything" I mean they can see deleted messages iirc
opal barn
what they said
solemn flame
Thx for whoever deleted it, sry about it
solemn flame
Huh
faint needle
Or is it an actual sugg?
placid moth
what
faint needle
Megunim started typing something in #suggestions-voting
solemn flame
Trying to get his name
faint needle
oh lole
you could do @ toshinka
but without space
and it will show his full pingable tag
solemn flame
@wild yoke the best part of Terraria and calamity is the farming. You farm, and if you die you get right back to farming to become overpowered
swift bison
The boss rush exists
civic pond
more bosses are already planned anyways
swift bison
also boss suggestions aren't allowed iirc
frail mantle
also boss suggestions are not allowed
bitter topaz
@ashen warren boss suggestions ain't allowed
and boss progression is already planned out anyway
placid moth
What this guy literally suggested was another LORDE
civic pond
distant gyro
boss rush momentum indeed
civic pond
uh
queen sail
BRuh moment
civic pond
dont mothrons and reapers already spawn during eclipses
or am i missing something and being dumb
queen sail
No
civic pond
ok
queen sail
Post all mechs
civic pond
i never noticed 
hallow kraken
A lot of people get confused about when moth spawns
zenith hazel
they get spawned post-mechs, meaning mechs are mandatory for the game since yharon 2
hallow kraken
But also broken hero swords are really good for the melee class
True night’s stabber is pretty good
young fog
Terra shiv when you could aim it anywhere 
faint needle
Skeletron is also mandatory in vanilla
Cause you need bones for smelly prime summon
frail mantle
not because of Prime summon
you can get the Mechanical Skull as a normal drop
it's because Old Man takes spawn priority over the Cultists
distant gyro
you can also get natural prime spawn for altar breaking...?
frail mantle
yea
gusty geode
How about just
Any combination of 3 of the mechs and alts
Since I imagine depending on your class you'd be best off killing certain ones over others
So
Calamity doesn't touch the Granite biome at all
I feel like that should be fixed
Question is what would go there
lost agate
not GES thats for sure
distant gyro
calamity does touch the granite biome but extremely minimally
GES 
Granite Shrine + Marnite stuffs
lost agate
Afaik only thorium really touches granite biome
distant gyro
same for marble biome
distant gyro
Marble Shrine + Marnite stuffs (+ Gladiator Armor but that doesn't really count does it)
lost agate
But i dont find it too neccesary to give stuff to a biome that was made like filler originally basically
Cuz why would you look for a granite biome on vanilla?
distant gyro
Granite and Marble in vanilla are essentially "here's some cool building blocks. enjoy"
only thorium felt like expanding it
gusty geode
Forcing you to play through events made for no reason but to celebrate Halloween and Christmas several times to get just about any post-DoG item
lost agate
It had good weapons at least
Pre dog i mean
Post DoG is more so of a "we havent added shit to it yet"
But theres so many pointless biomes/mini biomes in vanilla
gusty geode
Wait, you're adding shit to it eventually 
Pointless doesn't necessarily mean bad
lost agate
Marble/granite, spider nests, those weird cave things that only have a campfire on it, etc
And well glacier biome would like to have a word with you
distant gyro
According to Terraria Wiki, Marble, Granite, Spider Nest, Meteorite, Beehives, Temple are minibiomes
Campfire place is more of a naturally-generated structure and thus useless
lost agate
Smh
distant gyro
just like how pyramids aren't changed by any mods at all
they're just generated structures that are just.- there
lost agate
But at least you can get some accesories from them
gusty geode
They add some nice detail to the game
Sometimes that's all you need
lost agate
Well they stop being a detail if you add lotsa things to it dont you think
distant gyro
lost agate
We already have items
distant gyro
Gladiator Locket and Unstable Prism exists I guess
lost agate
Unstable prism can be very useful
distant gyro
Marnite Rifle Spear, Marnite Spear, Marnite Obliterator are irrelevant
gusty geode
I would go into specifics but that's illegal now A melee accessory that lets you do the Golem guard thing at the cost of mobility and a summoner weapon that summons Elementals
civic pond
unstable prism is strange to me
everyone always goes for luxor's anyway
i never hear about it
lost agate
Unstable prism is good for endgame where crit chance sky rockets
civic pond
ah i see.
distant gyro
I know UP is definitely one of the better shrine items
lost agate
Use soma prime and prism and you see sparkles
civic pond
distant gyro
along with LG, OEK, and Mura
lost agate
Its also good with SV iirc
Basically anything that can hit a lot and has good crit chance can be useful with prism
lost agate
Byeah
civic pond
o k
lost agate
Summons cant crit 
civic pond
sad
lost agate
Meanwhile gift gives projectiles to (almost) everything
radiant meadow
@hallow kraken cryogen, scourge, and brimmy aren't meant to be exact alternates to the mechs. Additionally, messing with vanilla code like that is much more trouble than for what it's worth.
For gathering Broken Hero Swords, Calamitas has a 100% chance of dropping one.
queen sail
It’s defo easier to farm mothrons though
carmine stream
Is it ok if I post these in #suggestions-voting? I'm currently banned from the art discord due to leaving the server during a mute https://imgur.com/a/5Pry8gF
carmine stream
Ok
queen sail
Just submit them in art lmao
elfin swan
He just said
carmine stream
I'm currently banned from the art discord
elfin swan
Context is key
carmine stream
I left the server while muted which resulted in a ban
faint needle
that sounds like asshole design tbh
void kelp
iirc it’s to prevent punishment evasion since some people can abuse that by leaving if they’re muted + coming back unmutef
faint needle
isnt it actually permissions?
void kelp
it’s given by roles
lost agate
No its a role
faint needle
Oh wow
Always thought roles are just visuals and things like admin perms are given via server perms
void kelp
oh, no, roles can be used to alter permissions for a broader group
faint needle
ah ok
toxic pagoda
@radiant meadow would there possibly be a way to program mothoron spawns if you craft a pickaxe axe or is that too hard
warm dock
alexa play despacito
radiant meadow
that sounds like unnecessary work
warm dock
lol
toxic pagoda
fair
tbh for melee plant you dont even need broken hero sword
I used the chlorophyte partisan
radiant meadow
@ashen warren that is something beyond our control. It is an issue with the way that Terraria handles multiplayer.
which is to say, not very clean coding wise
faint magnet
I was thinking about the numerous quality of life improvements this mod adds and was thinking that a mod that only adds these qol things would be really nice. It would include:
-Spawn rate reduction while bosses are alive
-Enemy spawns blocked with enough NPCs nearby
-Adjustable boss health
All adjustable, of course.
What do people think? Is there anything I missed?
queen delta
Also probably fits better in #bugs-read-pins but seems like its already been addressed many times
brittle merlin
Doesn’t having a boss alive already give zen
ashen warren
i thought enemy spawns were already disabled or lowered when town npcs are nearby
faint magnet
Yeah, these are things Calamity does. What I'm suggesting is that these features be put into their own mod, allowing you to use them without using the rest of Calamity if you don't want to.
ashen warren
i mean i don't really see the point
faint magnet
Calamity has a ton of content, and it basically always ends up being the central focus of a playthrough (as is usual with large content mods). Say you just finished a Calamity playthrough and want to play a different content mod next, but you still want to use these improvements. That's what it would be for.
void kelp
You’d probably be better off making your own standalone mod for that
hearty yew
@ashen warren #bugs-read-pins
queen sail
”FIX BOSSES IN MULTIPLAYER”
Has been made clear many times over that multiplayer code is straight up aids
elfin swan
please refer to the last thing about multiplayer in changelogs, that should explain how bad it is
young fog
removed it
wind kettle
why is cnidrion not in boss rush? smh
empty geyser
xD
brittle merlin
Le meme
fervent zealot
meme sugger eww
fervent zealot
not really no
brittle merlin
@frosty kindle le meme suggestion
lost agate
@wind kettle please dont make meme suggestions
hollow idol
Besides getting jumpscared by him at the beginning of the game
hes not really worthy
near crown
Deathmode mechs break masochist mode - the changes don't stack anymore. Would it be appropriate to put that in suggestions?
to fix it
frail mantle
probably more fitting in #bugs-read-pins
zenith hazel
@fossil star read suggestion "don't"s in pins
crystal osprey
Bruh I could imagine a legitimate reason for cnidarian to be in the rush
Like in the final phase, seahorse scrutiny would play, the player would destroyer cnidarian instantly, and dogs message "It's not over yet kid!" Would display
zenith hazel
I could imagine a legitimate reason for that not to be implemented
sinful violet
crystal osprey
I'm just saying it would be a nice subversion of expectations
faint needle
If cnidrion would come into BR then all mini bosses would come too
neon birch
cnidrion in boss rush wtf
faint needle
^
crystal osprey
It wouldn't be a serious thing
Just a subversion of expectations
I wasn't saying it was a good idea
Was just saying I could see a way of it working
crystal osprey
I didn't suggest it
crystal osprey
It was a response to a previous message in this chat
faint needle
oh sorry
crystal osprey
Np
hollow shell
@solemn flame Worded a bit weirdly. First sentence sounds like you're talking about what you thought was true already
Otherwise it's fine, though you know Deathmode adds random spawns, right?
unique vector
ravager can’t? odd.
although brimmy does make sense slightly? she probably doesnt give a shit unless you vile her relics
faint needle
Ravager should spawn in death but in rev he should only be seen in the background maybe
sand umbra
I always did find it strange that Ravager, of all bosses, can't nat-spawn in Death.
worthy fiber
Seeing it in the background would be cool, not sure how feasible it is
faint needle
Yeah
placid moth
@zinc thunder which name would you suggest
worthy fiber
No
zinc thunder
okay, i would call the drop something like dank spikes, as the hive mind has some spikes on it
the dank creepers also have spikes as well
crystal osprey
Dead brain cells?
zinc thunder
no i dont
crystal osprey
Wot
elfin swan
Parasitic lumps
elfin swan
Corrupt matter
placid moth
Uh, interesting, to say the least.
swift bison
Specfic weapon suggestions aren't allowed
queen delta
You can just say: a new pre-boss summon weapon and include reason for why
cerulean vault
In the don'ts:
Any suggestions to add a new, specific item, with a name, laid-out function, stats, sprite, etc.
fierce hedge
Oh alright
civic pond
i wouldn't mind changes to hallowed armor tbh
sonic wind
I don't see why it couldn't be done. It's not like a new item is being added (yes, I read the pins in the suggestions), just some sorely needed tweaks/changes to an armour set that, for the point it represents in the progression of hardmode, is just plainly bad. Like you defeat essential "threshold" bosses, only to be rewarded with a piece of armour that is not even worth the bars it's made from.
lost agate
Tbh
hearty yew
@sonic wind This is on my personal todo list.
Hallowed armor and gear sucks. Gungnir needs to shoot bolts of light. Hallowed Repeater SHOULD be better than Daedalus Stormbow, it's acquired later. Light Discs should cause holy explosions on hit. That sort of thing.
sonic wind
Love to hear it :D.
hearty yew
Hallowed armor's set bonus could be like a holy light healing thing. I'm still working on the specifics
I want it to be a defensive option which is about healing yourself with holy light (lots of health regen) but doesn't offer much offensive stats (compared to chloro or other options like daedalus)
sonic wind
hearty yew
PHM and HM ore armors also suck horribly and I have plans to fix those too
I want all 6 HM ores to be competitive in their own way
Yes, even mythril
crystal osprey
Bruhhhhhhh
sonic wind
What does mythril even do btw? I forget...
crystal osprey
Cobalt needs love so bad
crystal osprey
It would be kinda neat to have a hard mode ore armor Completely dedicated to the defense stat
Like litteeally nothing special
Just hella defense
hearty yew
mythril is actually the worst
cobalt gives you lots of movement speed
palladium has the neat health regen
orichalcum has the flying petals
but mythril just sucks. it doesn't do anything
I think it has some weird mechanic where it accretes light from surroundings and starts glowing really brightly
but that's not useful at all
adamantite is just a ball of stats, but is good because of it
and titanium is completely fucking broken, calamity already nerfs it
sonic wind
Bit odd for a metal with such a legendary name (within fantasy in general), to be so damn useless.
crystal osprey
Delete titanium
civic pond
I am thrilled to hear this holy crap
I always just skipped the ore armors when i could
ashen warren
Mythril has a special feature?
ashen warren
ah
crystal osprey
Honestly statigel is better than Cobalt and mythril
hearty yew
Prior to 1.2 mythril armor constantly generated light
it continuously added more and more light as you stood still
was actually kind of a cool feature
ashen warren
Maybe make all the armors on the same tier defense wise, but have better effects
hearty yew
@ashen warren that's kinda my plan
ashen warren
Cool beans
hearty yew
additionally, i'm changing all the ores to be mineable w/ molten pick
queen sail
Yes, you can get completely broken armor if rng is on your side
ashen warren
maybe make titanium need some effort
Otherwise people
would just do that instead of the other options
hearty yew
everyone will meta flock to titanium and completely miss out on what makes the other armors good, i promise
queen sail
Why though
hearty yew
most of this work will be for nothing
because people just open crates, craft titanium, and move on w/ their lives
it's automatic at this point
but it's still worth doing
queen sail
True point
They’ll farm a fuckton of gold crates prehm and then spam them open to get stacks of hm ores
ashen warren
delete fishing
queen sail
They’ll mostly go for titanium bc hurdur i can’t get hit
elfin swan
So...you guys didn't actually mine shit for HM ore?
queen sail
I do
queen delta
I do sometimes
ashen warren
I do because fishing is bad
queen sail
But i fish occasionally so i don’t spend three years farming them
queen delta
But if i ever bothered to fish with macro, i do that instead and open 50 gold crates when woffle dies
queen sail
Getting adamantite/titanium legit is tedious as fuck sometimes
ashen warren
It sucks that bloon summons aren't phm otherwise i'd be making potions like that
queen sail
Bloon what
ashen warren
Blood moon
queen sail
Oh
ashen warren
Otherwise, I try to stay away
elfin swan
Anyways make it so you can't get HM ore from crates 
queen sail
Then again if bloon summon was prehm you’d probably get easy blorbs
Wait
It wouldn’t really matter since bloon gets no buffs until postml
ashen warren
bloon needs more content tbh
west prairie
you're walking around in the post ml corruption during a blood moon and this guy slaps yo girl's ass, wyd
hallow kraken
Is this for something
civic pond
But what is it
hallow kraken
Did you mean to post this somewhere else
west prairie
i have concepts in mind to expand corruption and crimson, and a connection to the blood moon might actually be a good idea
void kelp
fastest star in this town
hearty yew
@queen delta yes but I'm saying make killing the aliens actually worth something
instead of just accelerating the rate at which you cycle through the event
queen delta
I still agree with the suggestion tho
What about also making meld blobs drop from all 4 pillars as well? Even if meld blobs are kinda nebula themed, they should still drop from all 4 pillars
void kelp
alternative grinding methods are A tier
smoky wagon
Meld blobs should have a unqiue method of getting them imo
new enemies with the meld palette that spawn in ____ after killing cultist
void kelp
if they were meld palette enemies that occasionally spawn w other pillar mobs I think that’d be nice
empty geyser
Ozz I agree, but I’d say only in rev+
terse sundial
But why rev+?
empty geyser
Because it’s ez af to grind pillars in normal mode
terse sundial
Farming for them pre-ML is tedious already
empty geyser
That’s what vanilla players do
terse sundial
Expert has the same issue
empty geyser
Imagine just afking for frags while leaving the pillar
Infinitely
Without having to kill the pillar
lost agate
You can afk farm literally everything else so i dont see the issue
Not like scorn eater would stop spawning, or ichor stickers, etc
lavish cloak
You can use literally any other staff on the pillars and Itd work the same
I personally get a headache when trying to farm for materials in dangerous/tedious settings
That’s why I suggested a change to DoG Frost/Pumpkin moon and Yharon Solar Eclipse
That or add counterparts to meld blobs in each pillar
That open up new crafting and weapons
hearty yew
@west prairie imo it should inflict astral infection on all difficulties
night cradle
^
hearty yew
i see no reason for it to be rev+ only
warm tinsel
Actually implementing the 5 Boss Rush "bindings" as items that can toggle each mode and have them actually change the visuals on screen for each effect, not just Xeroc's curse that tints everyone red.
What do you guys think?
queen sail
Why though
Just check the bindings in the menu
They changed configs in the new tmod
tired haven
Tbh if the terminus had radial UI it would have been perfect but it'll be ass to code
(maybe)
warm tinsel
Immunity Frame Curse: Makes the player glow a little as a light tint;
Dash Curse: Visually shows the player a red electric effect, hinting they can't dash;
Health Curse: Tints purple your healthbar, showing two cursed little red glowing eyes on each heart;
Xeroc's Curse: Tints the bosses red and whatever it already does (probably buff them and it's already there)
Accessories Curse: Same electric effect as the dash one but purpl-ish.
Radial UI?
Yeah, not gonna lie it would look fantastic
west prairie
bosses lasting 1/5 less time? thats wack
queen delta
How would it work tho?
I'd rather it be something that starts at 0% and slowly makes it way to 20% or any percent, the more you use one subclass
It'd reset every time you die or take it out of the slot
frail mantle
proficiency except an accessory?
faint needle
Tbh thats the reason proficiency exists actually
to give you stat boosts for your class
left crest
hollow saffron
rouge weapon
void kelp
@wild yoke that’s a specific item suggestion
hollow saffron
^
void kelp
please
civic pond
🤔
queen delta
Also thats way too op
plucky matrix
I don't like the fragmenting stuff 
void kelp
it has several things wrong w it
hollow saffron
^
arctic wren
put it all in one message btw
And no given the already present summoner - rouge synergy and the fact summons are just free damage that really isn't necessary
void kelp
- fragmenting, 2) specific item suggestion
hollow saffron
@wild yoke you can press shift+enter to add a new line
without having
to
add new messages
void kelp
I don’t think they even read this channel or the pins ;w;
hollow saffron
yeah
wild yoke
oh
arctic wren
imagine reading pins
hollow saffron
imagine sending your suggestion here first to get feedback before sending it in the official suggestions channel
warm tinsel
My bindings effect proposal got ignored lol
I'll just get the feed on the actual suggestion
placid moth
Bruh no
ashen warren
i don't think adren or rage should be affected by buffs or anything of the sort because they're both pretty powerful, and adren is more of a reward for dodging boss attacks than just being "oh you applied warm buffs get adren faster"
adren also can be reduced down to 20 sec's which i think is a pretty reasonable time
ashen warren
@bronze mauve item suggestions are banned now,
bronze mauve
shit
brittle merlin
How would it do summon damage though
hollow saffron
true damage is classless
queen delta
Just because other classes' weapons are involved in the crafting tree doesn't mean it has to deal that class damage
and Kelvin Catalyst is a boomerang, which is a melee/rogue thing
foggy kindle
Look at Apotheosis I guess
queen sail
Afair it’s because each guardian has different requirements to be summoned individually @brittle bane
hollow saffron
^
queen sail
They don’t all fit under one thing
Unlike godly soul artifact
Something like hote has one buff slot bc they’re all summoned at once
queen delta
Yes but it could do the same thing beetle armor set does
It'd replace one buff with another
brittle bane
what yat said is what i was thinking
queen delta
You'd need 7 buffs max if you want all the possible combos
ashen warren
The question being, is the buff slots taken by Profaned Soul considered to be a balancing point for what it provides?
queen sail
Well tbh not really
brittle bane
tbh not really
queen sail
Fulfilling the requirements are already as much of a cost
One is auto, another demands summon slots, and the last demands tarragon summoner
You have to sacrifice some things to get all 3
ashen warren
Which you would fulfill if you played summoner, wouldn't you?
lost agate
Its a summoner accesory all around
brittle bane
it wouldnt really make sense to wear it without being summoner; at most, you'd get the first two as a not summoner, and by getting the second you already made some sacrifices
hollow saffron
does the astral injection hurt the player over time(like 5 health per second) or does it take 5 hp off of the player's total health
queen delta
The problem is, minions also take their own slots
So summoners already have to worry about slots
hollow saffron
Also im thinking that there should be a recipe to use astral monoliths to make a work bench
since its wood
queen sail
You know furniture’s a pain in the ass to sprite, right
hollow saffron
I know
queen delta
Just draw some furniture 
hollow saffron
Thats why I didnt suggest astral wood furniture
queen sail
hollow saffron
queen delta
Also who's gonna suggest the weekly astral furniture suggestion?
static scroll
Level with me
Rogue was made in Calam so not much had to be changed when thrower was abandoned in vanilla correct?
static scroll
Yeah like be straightforward about it
static scroll
If rogue is supposed to basically be a thrower esque class... Why don't they change the current pre hardmode thrower sets to rogue sets?
queen sail
Bc it’s gonna become ranged most likely
As if it doesn’t already have enough crutches
static scroll
Ranged vs Mage which one has more crutches
hollow saffron
tbh I feel AD should inflict astral infection instead of GSI
hollow saffron
last prism nerf moment
radiant meadow
@hollow saffron kelvin catalyst is a patron weapon
They specified melee/rogue
terse sundial
Aureus already inflicts Astral Infection
brittle merlin
I think they do
terse sundial
Deus i'm not sure on
hollow saffron
ohok
radiant meadow
Wiki isn't completely updated yet contrary to Merk's name
brittle merlin
Should be partially updated
queen sail
Isn’t this literally in #changelogs
radiant meadow
Yes
radiant meadow
Ye, should read #changelogs smh
Also, reminder that suggestions to patron items are highly unlikely
terse sundial
fixed
hollow saffron
thank you
radiant meadow
bruh, just fixed astrum deus probe, which wasn't fixed. but astral probe was and they share the same page
void kelp
proposal to change merk’s nick to “wiki updated mostly”
unique vector
you really can’t suggest a change to a patron item bc its 99% the patron’s wishes
unless its game breaking
unique vector
no clue tbh
radiant meadow
also, changing kelvin catalyst to true dmg would basically ruin it
unique vector
probably?
unique vector
^
queen sail
Askin’ bc some guy was talkin about drat
radiant meadow
drat revamp would be a no
unique vector
there are countless times people tried to suggest changes to the backfire mechanic
none survived 
queen sail
”NERF BACKFIRE”
Stares in right-click
young fog
just dont get hit lol
void kelp
tfw in the past week there’s been at least 4 specific item suggestions
brittle merlin
Lmao
void kelp
I thought they were gonna be gone for good ;A;
hollow shell
(I was thinking of removing the pin in #suggestions-voting like a week after the vote ended but clearly it is still needed)
hollow shell
@strong prism Don't meme in that channel
(or any channel for that matter)
but especially not that channel
strong prism
i was working on a thing
appologies
bananarang is a fun item that i enjoy, so i was preparing a banana based arsenal
but okay
hollow shell
Even so, the image wouldn't be necessary
strong prism
fair, but it was thematic and i found it amusing
i'll keep that in mind for the future
hollow shell
It was definitely a fitting image, I'll give you that
strong prism
we have fish weapons, a banana isnt a stretch
cyan lagoon
If these are going to be specific items then I'd advise you to stop while you're ahead
hollow shell
Yeah
You can just suggest that we add more banana-based items and give a reason for it
Anything specific with names and exact functions and such are a no-go
hollow saffron
@strong prism press shift+enter to add a line
instead
of sending mul
tiple messages
hollow shell
Ech yeah sorry those are indeed specific items
strong prism
i'm a person who didnt read the thing, sorry.
i was just trying to provide a few ideas
as banana based ideas are hard to come by(i spent a while coming up with ideas)
hollow shell
Understandable.
We've just had a bad history with people suggesting specific things (notably, they never ever got in the game).
So any suggestions for new items or weapons or such need to be more general in their wording
brittle merlin
Like "I feel that there should be more banana weapons in the game because blank"
hollow saffron
also @strong prism add a reason
hollow shell
There ya go
Good suggestion now 👍
strong prism
i am proud now XD
today I learned that banana paper exists. i now feel more complete in life
frosty vortex
I am a very big fan of banannons and banana guns
This is a very important Terraria subclass that desperately needs expanding
strong prism
by the way
i'm not making this up
at one point i calculated the number of bananas it would take to produce enough radiation to kill you in about an hour. i did it manually
I got the average weight of a banana
average percentile of potassium
Average percentile of said potassium that is potassium 40
Then calculated the average energy released via decay of a single atom
Then found potassium 40s molar mass pushed it to 1 kilo so i knew how much radiation (in MeV which goes to joules which goes to rem which goes to Sieverts) the potassium 40 would produce over X amount of time(1 kilo produced .22 joules per hour)
Then once i had that i just had to do some division to figure out the number of bananas required.
It was a lot of bananas
swift bison
you have piqued my interest
strong prism
514,356,722.58 bananas
swift bison
i'm too lazy to calculate that all myself so can you just tell me your answer please?
wait you did
thanks
strong prism
THEN AND ONLY THEN, did i realize the BED(banana equivalent dose) existed
Confirming my number of about 500,000,000 bananas
or 94.127 Million Kilograms of bananas
i had to use calculators that wouldnt truncate my numbers, else i would loose precision
rustic ember
So you're really saying 499,999,999 is the limit
faint needle
Can someone give me a retrospective of the banana stuff?
opal barn
Either get back on topic or get out of this channel, thanks
faint needle
Oh ok
warm tinsel
Guys, what about a Golem revamp?
hollow saffron
smh what about golem
what does it need, another phase?
invincible hands?
homing projectiles?
actually the last one would be cool
karmic stone
Golem needs charges
opal barn
fab will change most vanilla bosses, golem included
plucky matrix
golem changes 
void kelp
@arctic wren unfortunately I think that’s one of those weird AI things that comes from vanilla code
arctic wren
... what I figure you would do is basically make an enemy that is for all intents and purposes a clone of the original shark that can be edited then? and use it for the p3 sharks instead
void kelp
hm
strong prism
Generally the sharks not drawing my minion aggro(especially when using stardust staves) would be rather nice
arctic wren
^
but for the first two phases it's not that bad and right click target does a decent enough job there
it's only phase 3 where it's necessary imo
lost agate
ah you see
people at vanilla made the sharks into an npc instead of a projectile, and even then its almost impossible to kill the shark quick enough cuz they made em tanky af so...
glossy bough
oo
empty geyser
I think there’s a way of manually making your minions target something
empty geyser
Yes
near moat
They take your command as a mere suggestion
elfin swan
Programmer intent is eternally a suggestion