I'd be all for new pets
#suggestions-discussion
plucky matrix
hollow shell
It'd be a valid albeit bad suggestion if he just removed the name
as it stands it's teetering
warm dock
i edit more
hollow shell
I think I'll just remove it cuz of the shitstorm it caused and maybe will keep causing
radiant meadow
I don't care if it has a name or not
But the reasoning is very lousy
hollow shell
@warm dock You gotta add a reason
And don't give it a name and recipe, because that makes it a specific item suggestion.
radiant meadow
I was under the impression specific item only applied to armor, weapons, and accessories
tawny tide
u guys need a vetting system where people cant just type in that channel without asking first
hollow shell
Is a pet item not an item?
warm dock
it is a equiptable
radiant meadow
It is but I don't see how having it changes vs not having it
warm dock
i edit more
dusty stirrup
Might wanna improve the readability of your suggestion, Astreous
radiant meadow
I see the effects as the main thing that differentiates specific vs not specific
A weapon can easily have 20 different effects depending on what you want.
A pet basically is always the same unless you're trying to disguise a summoner wep.
warm dock
im bad at it ok
hollow shell
mmm that's some very loose reasoning, holden
dusty stirrup
That's not a good excuse
radiant meadow
It is probably
warm dock
i am trying to find a excuse
dusty stirrup
Did you really have to include depression in your suggestion
ashen warren
These suggestions made me lose some brain cells
faint needle
I'm sorry but depression isn't cured even momentarily by a rolling piece of wood with a face iirc.
dusty stirrup
Ironic
faint needle
tawny tide
might be my favourite suggestion thus far just for this conversation lmao
warm dock
you guys hate all of my suggestions!
hollow shell
Unnecessary suggestions don't get a lot of support
faint needle
Its constructive criticism
hollow shell
Writing a suggestion just for the sake of writing something isn't a good thing to do
(also don't be rude to the lad)
warm dock
...
faint needle
Oh sorrg
opal barn
it's exactly the opposite of what you should be doing
faint needle
Also you legit made one sugg
warm dock
im leaving
queen sail
hollow shell
Okay
faint needle
Ok
queen sail
Try your luck in the Thorium server
ashen warren
one of my old suggestions came in the mod
queen sail
dusty stirrup
No one asked chida
hollow shell
Best of luck in your endeavors, holden
warm dock
i hate my life
dusty stirrup
Don't start pity tripping please
ashen warren
-_-
dusty stirrup
Yeah, go take a walk or something
ashen warren
Who takes a walk in 2 am
dusty stirrup
Chida can I ask you to stop using that face please
warm dock
i cant im having alot of stress ad its night!
hollow shell
Yeah please stop Chida
ashen warren
Is this against rules?
hollow shell
It's annoying
ashen warren
xd
dusty stirrup
It's getting into the disruptive category yes
Anyway this is suggestion discussion, so better go back to that or stop
faint needle
Or spam
warm dock
😠
ashen warren
My suggestion are useful but unnecessary
dusty stirrup
That's not what people want in a suggestion
ashen warren
unnecessary
civic pond
hollow shell
(also you've posted 2)
dusty stirrup
also pretty sure useful and unnecessary are pretty close to opposites
ashen warren
Dad mode item isn't that unnecessary
dusty stirrup
He was talking about his own suggestions, not yours
ashen warren
You dont need to use 3 items one by one
ruby cobalt
alt moment
queen sail
Okay because we have a bunch of items as is already and a donor item function exists
ruby cobalt
ashen warren
oh yeah because using three items is so hard
queen sail
Also we got rid of specific item suggests recently so
dusty stirrup
DAD mode item is pretty unnecessary yeah
ashen warren
@ruby cobalt whos alt. Lol
dusty stirrup
You'll be using as much time actually crafting it
queen sail
DAD sounds like for tryhards ngl
faint needle
DADI
ashen warren
Dadm
faint needle
Or DADIM
queen sail
Buffed stats + improved ai + jumps only + instantkill = what
ashen warren
Dadam
queen sail
Like why would you waste your time doing that
opal barn
Get out of this channel if you're planning on doing this
ashen warren
Death arma defiled master maso
faint needle
Oh yeah, wrong channel
warm dock
i am depresed again
hollow shell
holden please
dusty stirrup
I already told you to stop the pity tripping
opal barn
You're on your last straw, you know that right?
brittle merlin
...
ruby cobalt
I allow you to execute him on behalf of the entire dungeon
brittle merlin
If there is one exception then other people will expect to get the same treatment
dusty stirrup
If they break rules constantly yes
dusty stirrup
Of course
bitter topaz
look.
if you want a ban, just ask.
if you don't, cut it with the attitude and get your act together
anymore attitude or idiocy out of you and you're getting the boot
ashen warren
My first ever warn was like 1 year ago
brittle merlin
And?
ashen warren
None asked you
dusty stirrup
No one asked you either
frosty kindle
Just because you are a patron doesn't mean you're immune to any kind of punishment, but that's my 2 cents.
dusty stirrup
Patreons receive the same punishments as other regulars do
candid dove
We do not excuse rulebreakers just because they're patreon donators. If you break a rule, you get the appropriate punishment. If you end up getting banned, it's your own fault for not following the rules.
We do not play favorites because of a role or a donation, if you break a rule, even as staff, you get the appropriate punishment for it.
warm dock
ok i m done with stressing
sinful violet
Paying Fabsol money isn't a way to get past rules, because that would be bribery.
And bribery's bad.
bitter topaz
that's it.
candid dove
We are, and it would be a bad idea to cross the line to test that.
bitter topaz
you're just attempting to taunt us at this point.
ashen warren
How can you ban someone who paid fab 50$
bitter topaz
goodbye
hollow shell
Yeah m he was asking for that
eager palm
:D
hollow shell
nigh begging
plucky matrix
momentum
tawny tide
yikes
sand umbra
Back to sugma disc.
An alternative post-Yharon(/post-Draedon, when he comes) set of wings would honestly be really neat, seeing as right now you really get one option for mobility and that's all you need past a dash (and even then, very few people carry a dash into SCal to begin with, compared to e.g. Yharon or DoG).
ruby cobalt
honestly? let's just fuck around with vanilla wings first
radiant meadow
Someone just suggested that
ruby cobalt
harhar frozen wings
queen delta
any early hardmode wings that isnt frozen or leaf wings harhar
ashen warren
^ tbh
radiant meadow
Just as in like 4 hours ago
ruby cobalt
as much as I hate tampering with vanilla, wings just have to go
sand umbra
Someone just suggested that
that's what I was referring to smh
arctic wren
what are you suggesting to do with the vanilla wings?
queen delta
Let's also enrage over half the community by removing Rod of discord 
opal barn
and polter
ashen warren
fanbase enrages when outside of RoD biome
queen delta
and force everyone to nohit by having perma scal lore
radiant meadow
Oh it was?
ruby cobalt
(leaf wings just existing, mind you)
sand umbra
Yeah.
radiant meadow
sand umbra
Also can we like.
ruby cobalt
aka frozen wings being literally the best wings you can get pre-mechs
sand umbra
Please. PLEASE, FOR THE LOVE OF FUCK fix vanilla wing balancing.
ruby cobalt
and post-mechs
opal barn
and all the way to lunar
ruby cobalt
actually yes
queen delta
also can we have a calamity version of soul of eternity where everything calamity is a material for the ultimate item
ruby cobalt
frozen wings are absolutely retarded
arctic wren
I mean wings are kinda ... uh, necessary for basically any hm boss though
ruby cobalt
see, wings are "necessary", but there's the problem of fin wings existing
civic pond
except for dukes wings
ruby cobalt
they all get fucked by pre-mech wings
zealous ridge
Vanilla wing balancing is bruh
civic pond
ech
ruby cobalt
doesn't matter when you get them (the other ones), frozen wings are the best
arctic wren
I'd rather have an easy to get on option like leaf wings exist, just have it not be as good as the others
queen delta
Leaf wings are the easiest to get, frozen wings are best wings
ruby cobalt
see, that's the good way to approach it
queen delta
All other pre-mech wings are obsolete
ruby cobalt
too bad vanilla decides that once you get frozen wings you don't need any other wings because fuck you ig
queen delta
Or... buff other wings
sand umbra
br0ski
zealous ridge
leaf and frozen are best, the others are basically obsolete
However I’d rather the other wings are buffed to make them more interesting rather than nerfing both of those options bcuz it would mess with balance somewhat
ruby cobalt
leaf is the easiest to get, frozen is the best stat wise and is... also easy to get
so there's only one option, harhar
sand umbra
Frozen literally just requires fighting Ice Golems.
civic pond
jetpack.. exists
sand umbra
Which can be mega-cheesed with the power of walls, if I recall.
queen delta
Frozen wings are kinda more annoying than leaf wings but yeah if you go for frozen wings, then you're set
arctic wren
also mechs don't need to be made even more 
ruby cobalt
no like, here's the point, spread out the upgrading of the wings over the entire HM
sand umbra
The only hard part about Frozen Wings is actually setting up the circumstances in vanilla, and in Calamity you have the Torrential Tear or Cryo to force a blizzard anyway.
ruby cobalt
you've yet to see the new mechs
sand umbra
arctic wren
in terms of vanilla eh I guess what you're saying
in terms of calamity there is a bit more variety in what you use imo
civic pond
wings are the same as swords to me
ruby cobalt
There's 190 of them?
sand umbra
i think i'd scream if there were 190 sets of wings lmao
arctic wren
leaf / cryo bars (what is it? skylight or smth?) / frozen wings till mechs, moab until post golem, chaotic until cultist, xeroc until post-ml
fishron wings if you get lucky
ruby cobalt
starlight wings
tawny tide
ur telling me to actually use moab
ruby cobalt
aka you just use frozen wings
tawny tide
cmon
ruby cobalt
MOAB is pure preference
civic pond
harpy wings skeleton wings bee wings those vampire wings are all :bruh: to me
ruby cobalt
those exist?
civic pond
queen sail
Let’s not forget that angel and demon wings exist too
Yknow
The very first wings ever added into Terraria that they completely forgot to balance
hollow shell
Bone Wings, which are Post-Plantera, are on the same functionality tier as Harpy, Bee, Butterfly, etc, which can be obtained at the beginning of Hardmode.
Bone Wings are worse than Leaf, Frozen, and Flame wings, which can also be obtained at the beginning of Hardmode.
Thank you Terraria
queen sail
Also daily reminder that Kraken and TEoC are yoyos obtained at the same tier
sand umbra
Why are wings just collectively locked to Hardmode again?
civic pond
because yes
hollow shell
It's a level up from the jumping accessories you get in Pre-Hardmode
civic pond
the only thing i like about this abundance of wings is for the vanity
hollow shell
I think it's a nice progression thing
queen sail
Probably so that prehm is focused on you using whatever you have during that time for mobility
sand umbra
I wish I could use some swords as vanity I swear--
civic pond
Prehm has so many irrelevant movement accessories
queen sail
Even then it’s mostly irrelevant because grav pots exist
sand umbra
Hot take: wings in their current form are overrated.
And also pathetically underdeveloped.
civic pond
pretty much
queen sail
Wingslot literally exists because of how much wings there are
hollow shell
I want wings where you have to initiate every flap, you aren't immune to fall damage, and you can swoop while you glide like Super Mario 64.
sand umbra
YES
PLEASE
WHERE IS MY SWOOPING
GIVE ME THE ABILITY TO SWOOP IN
Seriously wings are like.
They're pathetically simple which is what makes them so stupidly powerful.
queen sail
I’m pretty sure the entirety of hardmode boss fights are built around wings or flying of some sorts
hollow shell
I mean, they have to be
near moat
If only building large water arenas would be easier
sand umbra
I want better wings.
hollow shell
just fight in the Abyss layer 1 smh
sand umbra
I want more complicated wings.
queen sail
You ask this from the same people that let slip a premech bow into becoming a viable final boss weapon
sand umbra
Wings are teeth-grindingly infuriating levels of difficult to balance/make unique right now because they're basically just "hold [Jump Key] to escape the enemy".
Also, fuck Holy Stormbow.
sinful violet
you mean
queen sail
Crutchbow
near moat
Memebow
sinful violet
break direction key and index finger to dash and fly
queen sail
People be taking potshots at Calamity breaking vanilla balance and then forget that shit like this exists
Like
sand umbra
Calamity "breaks" vanilla balance.
queen sail
How much useless shit is in Terraria
queen sail
Who has ever used the Unholy Trident uniornically
near moat
Remember that you could get Seedler from fishing in Jungle?
queen sail
In vanilla
sand umbra
Who has ever used half the stuff in vanilla.
Wings are worthless past a select subset.
near moat
22 Useless Wings
sand umbra
Yo-yos in vanilla are balanced strangely out the fucking ass.
Weapons in general, actually.
Weapons in general are balanced fantastically strangely.
queen sail
Thomas
Kraken and TEoC
One is a dungeon weapon balanced for its tier and the other is the best possible yoyo you can get before terrarian
Both obtainable at the same tier
Balancing 500
sand umbra
400 IQ balancing.
Kraken and TEoC are like.
The best example of how fucking strange vanilla balancing is.
queen sail
At this rate I’m pretty sure those who have spent a long time playing with and modding Terraria realize that ReLogic probably doesn’t know what they’re doing
near moat
Well, tbh Farming Solar Eclipse is harder than just straight up Dungeon crawling, but besides that Kraken has no reason to exist
People will just go for the better option
civic pond
kraken is ok
queen sail
Because of it being an uncommon drop like Magnet Sphere
sand umbra
Let's see:
Kraken: 1/400 drop from post-Plantera Dungeon enemies --- enemies that are very easily able to kill you even in endgame if you're not geared up.
TEoC: 25%/30.94% drop from Mothrons, which are a dime a dozen once you can mow down Eclipse enemies and aren't exactly a threat by comparison.
Conclusion:
TEoC should be stronger???
near moat
It is stronger
queen sail
It’s way less riskier to get TEoC than to farm Kraken
There’s only 3 new mobs that spawn when TEoC is available
That like
near moat
Well besides Eyezors nothing can easily screw you up in Eclipse
queen sail
Aren’t an issue if you’re on a small platform 20 blocks above the ground
near moat
And Dungeon has a bunch of magic wielding fucks
civic pond
Getting drops from the dungeon are hardly an issue with its ass spawnrates
queen sail
Yes but Dungeon has harder enemies
Post Plant weps can most likely kill a mothron in at least 15 seconds
And the platform trick doesn’t work in the Dungeon considering the mages and Paladins exist
sand umbra
Post-Plantera weaponry, thanks to Dungeon gear, shreds Mothrons pretty easily.
civic pond
nailheads exist
queen sail
Yes, their nails will definitely hit me 20 blocks above the ground
sand umbra
The point of it is, vanilla balancing is wack.
I've actually started growing tempted to gently nerf TEoC and/or buff the Kraken a bit further--
empty geyser
Nerf Daedalus
Also the pet suggestion is not common to everyone. It seems more like a patron item.
proven tide
again: the developers don't like wasting time and effort on functionally useless vanity items
@warm dock if you check the pets page of the wiki you'll see they either have very important and specific places in the mod (being the Siren) or, like the rest, are dedicated items for devs or patrons.
essentially, no vanities unless mandatory
dusty stirrup
@zinc lance OOA is known to be pretty broken when it comes to sentry slots, it's not Spikecrag's fault
hollow shell
How much DPS can you get with non-OOA summoner armor?
civic pond
ngl spikecrag is still really powerful as a sentry by itself
viscid tiger
But it's fun
civic pond
bumblebirb fucked the floor while spikecrag was there and uh
dusty stirrup
It's at its best against big targets that stay still for a bit
viscid tiger
Is spikecrag better than rainbow crystal then?
swift bison
does this mean spikecrag would be a useful secondary against providence?
if you have OOA armor and don't get hit
swift bison
interesting
zinc lance
hi
swift bison
hi
zinc lance
well, just 1 spikecrag can already deal about 8k dps easily
radiant meadow
ravager weapons are meant to be post fishron
so it's not necessarily bad that they have high dps vs fishron
devout seal
Hey, would it be a good change to make plague plate platforms not need the infuser to be made
because every other platform seems to need nothing
zealous ridge
not true afaik, I know at least ashen platforms need an ashen altar
As far as modded goes its consistent
but vanilla has some platforms require the crafting station, while others dont so it’s not even consistent there
devout seal
huh.
tranquil totem
The zerg events would have troubles working with multiplayer for it being the wacky thing that it is. Many times me and my friends lost progress in a world because of too many entities or whatever. I'm fine with it sure, but those who want to play with their friends might not want it.
plucky prairie
plague biome that rapidly spreads on jungle grass and is generated upon golem's defeat (several clusters would spawn)
this would be the only place that plagued enemies could spawn and they would spawn when at least 50 or so blocks are on screen
in the lore, the plague is depicted similarly to how the world evils are depicted, as spreading infections, but as it is its pretty much just "oh hey there are some new enemies and weird versions of enemies now"
worthy fiber
It's been suggested a lot
faint needle
Despite the fact that perfs are trivial, its mostly the fact walls blocks the hive projectiles
atleast for me
ashen warren
Hang on.
Now, Hive's projectiles will no longer be blocked, like Plantera in Expert.
frail mantle
tbh Perfs are fine as they are
distant gyro
I may be blind and that might already be included but making the worms airborne is an idea
frail mantle
they're already pretty stressful when you have to dance between Hive Rain while also dodging worms
distant gyro
The only nitpick I have with perfs is how the worm sometimes sticks to the ground too much when playing on a crimson island
meaning you have to drop down the island then go back up again to finish the fight
faint needle
I always do my perfs fights in crimson chasms so I dont need to build a mini wall to block projectiles
distant gyro
Crimson island referring to people on corruption worlds with no such luxury
distant gyro
for the experience first off
second off for ichor in hm as that is your only way for pure calamity players
granted hardmode gear can easily defeat perfs but it's still a slight chore
ashen warren
Well, some changes might seem overkill.
But DR when small and medium worms are alive might be fair.
distant gyro
Also the fact that airborne worms prevent cheesing
I think that'd be neat
Pit cheese is even more cheesy than roof cheese kinda
ashen warren
But some of these changes can make Perforators as challenging as Hive Mind.
Since, Hive Mind is more difficult than Perforators imo.
faint needle
Which kind of cheesing?
distant gyro
There's 2 types of cheesing for perforators
distant gyro
1 is make a hole deep enough so the worms never reach you
The other is to block all prjectiles/half in death mode with solid blocks
ashen warren
The projectiles' blocking might stay the same as half in Death.
But worms staying on the ground if fought on Crimson Island should be changed.
They should follow you to the Island.
I am saying this from analyzing Baum's fight against Perforators.
He had to go down to kill the worms, and go up to kill the Hive.
plucky matrix
personally I don't like perf buffs in general because they feel like the most unfair boss in prehm to me
zenith hazel
but... BoC
plucky matrix
if you don't melt the worms you're left having to do precise dodges on hive projectiles and very sharp & fast turns on worms, like no thanks
boc is easily ripperskipped
zenith hazel
true but I'd say they're equally unfair in a way
plucky matrix
also my reaction time is enough to not die from it even without rippers 
smoky wagon
i think if anything the worms could be made more agressive but the hive could shoot slower while a worm is alive
and maybe have the hive shoot faster at lower hp also
zenith hazel
I like the projectiles glowing change but other than that, eh
plucky matrix
oh yeah that's a really good one imo
zenith hazel
lower res players would suffer otherwise
smoky wagon
zenith hazel
but yeah, the hive shooting faster when a worm is alive makes little to no sense to me imo
all of this shouldn't be shoved this much into a pre-hm fight
zenith hazel
hell, scal doesn't even have this sort of behavior
she shoots slower when her worm is alive
smoky wagon
The worms barely do anything
maybe they could shoot more and their projectiles could go through tiles
smoky wagon
they get pretty agressive in death mode when they are below 50%
but they feel like an inconsistent threat in the same manner as desert scourge
civic pond
thats odd
smoky wagon
Worm AI just derps sometimes
placid moth
I dont think the 99% DR during other worm phases would matter because both worms just die very quickly if you focus them down for a while
faint needle
reason?
civic pond
oh my god
zenith hazel
fargo's mutant mod has that already
proven tide
@warm dock levi has a summoner enemy, so we don't need an item
zenith hazel
also just zerg in ocean tbh
proven tide
^
plucky matrix
proven tide
the hives have items because a) their enemies are rare and hard to find when they do spawn, and b) because they're fought pre-zerg
siren and leviathan fit neither of the above criteria
and as such do not need a summoning item
@warm dock are you listening or am i talking to a wall '>.<
warm dock
i don't care what you think!
proven tide
jesus christ
plucky matrix
interesting
civic pond
So much for "discussion"
faint needle
My dude, thats not an attitude in a server where the care about seriousity in their suggestions
warm dock
cus i do
civic pond
This isn't to hate on a suggestion
frail mantle
it's not that hard to find the ??? tbh
faint needle
This is constructive criticism for both the sugg and your personality
Sorry if I sound rude
proven tide
@warm dock read the pins; a suggestion takedown isn't indicative of hate
plucky matrix
anyway, a levi spawning item isn't needed as ??? is rather common especially with zerg potions
faint needle
Its rather common even without zerg tbh
frail mantle
it spawns fairly often and is fairly easy to notice once it's there
faint needle
Yeah
plucky matrix
especially because music hueh
frail mantle
ye
proven tide
this channel exists for a reason and freaking on people for doing exactly what the description of the channel says is pretty shitty
faint needle
Who are you talking about?
unique vector
prob this astreous person dude
warm dock
i had a worse day ok
sand umbra
When you come in for 2 seconds to discuss why a Siren/Levi summoning item is both a good and bad idea and the first thing you find is "I don't care what you think!"
unique vector
that isnt an excuse
you don't take out your mood on other people in the public
or on other people in general
ashen warren
Well, if you want to get Levi summoning item, there is a mod for that.
warm dock
well they triggerd it
proven tide
and putting yourself in the firing line of several people's critical opinions and perspectives when you're in that space
that falls on you
unique vector
did they realize that you were in a bad mood?
that is not their fault in the least.
you should have better composure to make sure that doesnt happen.
proven tide
the channel description specifies that this channel is for exactly that
queen delta
I'm in a bad mood all the time but I keep that to myself
sand umbra
proven tide
welcome to the new millennium lmao
queen delta
Nobody here knows unless they can read it through my messages
unique vector
a lot of people are. and a lot of people have the self control to not affect other people with it
ashen warren
Yeah, you shouldn't unleash your rage within to people who didn't cause you to rage.
unique vector
now please be more civilized in the future. thank you.
faint needle
Go take a break if you had a bad day
unique vector
back to suggestions disc
faint needle
Go for a walk or something
proven tide
petition to fucking role-lock that channel?
faint needle
Oh yea
unique vector
eh? what are you talking about
proven tide
this keeps happening every other day: someone appears in #suggestions-voting and dumps there with no regard for this channel and never changes their post based on feedback if they respond at all
queen delta
Nah this server isnt big enough for it to be a big issue
proven tide
no amount of pins asking to post here first has changed that
faint needle
Or just stop people who continuosly put out bad suggs from commenting there
unique vector
we already have suggestion bans yeah
warm dock
im leaving this discord
queen delta
Basically a “you’ve been a bad suggestor” role
faint needle
Ok
unique vector
i think thats enough, if people dont follow the rules their suggs can just be deleted
i check here often anyway
faint needle
Eh
ashen warren
Or, they can delete themselves.
unique vector
yeah
proven tide
i just want people to actually use this channel like all the pins tell them to 
ashen warren
I did twice.
faint needle
that worked until now anyway so I guess it will work in the future too
or atleast until this server gets bigger
ashen warren
Without knowing specific item suggestions were not allowed.
unique vector
i delete suggestions with an exclamation mark after 24h or so
just so yall are aware
proven tide
just, yannow
faint needle
oh wow
faint needle
didnt know that
proven tide
just
it'd make things so much cleaner if people could only post in there after at least five or ten messages in here
🙄
sand umbra
Back to sugma disc:
Siren/Leviathan summoning item?
Pros:
- makes it less annoying to re-summon the boss
- allows the ability to summon the boss in a favorable location rather than relying on where the summoning enemy spawns --- this can allow slightly more strategy-based approaches to fighting the boss
Cons:
- would likely only be available post-Siren/Levi, similarly to the Hive summoning items
- not exactly an important/necessary thing, seeing as the spawn rate of the Lure is pretty fucking frequent post-Plantera
- Siren and Levi are still annoying as fuck to fight lole
unique vector
and then they immediately go back to posting suggestions without discussing them again
zenith hazel
technically con: Fargo's exist
proven tide
i think it's worth a shot
sand umbra
I'm not factoring in the Siren's Pearl of Fargo's Mutant Mod for the purpose of the prompt--
warm dock
if you continue i will get off of discord and i will unsubscribe
proven tide
oh dear, what a travesty
warm dock
im out of this hannel
proven tide
it's not on us to avoid your issues with exactly what we're supposed to be doing
¯_(ツ)_/¯
sand umbra
proven tide
what can you do
unique vector
thats entirely up to you astreous
sand umbra
So, thoughts on a Siren/Leviathan summoning item? Anything I may have missed in my pros/cons table thingymadoodle?
proven tide
oh wait
unique vector
do what you want
unique vector
also fetus if you want your suggestion lock thing to be discussed, suggest it
if enough people want it ill bring it up to mod chat
unique vector
proven tide
i want to get people to address it and get different ideas as to how we could lock it
plucky matrix
unique vector
gotcha
faint needle
Id really want a sugg lock
unique vector
well, gl with that
zenith hazel
if there was a way to force discussion in #suggestions-discussion , that'd be nice
sand umbra
a lot of my suggs come from me being bad though lel
zenith hazel
but then again, that'd probably be way too hard to do
faint needle
Keep it locked at all times, do something like !sugg in here which unlocks the channel for a short period of time
tho i dont think the locking/unlocking could be done automatically
faint needle
Oh
plucky matrix
bots can do a lot
zenith hazel
yeah, it's theoretically possible, just insane to execute
plucky matrix
eh not really
faint needle
Basically
unique vector
a working system i could see is have only certified suggestors to be able to post in #suggestions-voting, as spokespeople for those that discuss suggestions in here. and certified suggestors will need to have a strict promotion system.
plucky matrix
we have a command in "my" server which locks all bot related channels (or unlocks when we do it again)
unique vector
that's a more solid system but it promotes more hierarchy issues
plucky matrix
^tbh
zenith hazel
their fault for some of them being wack suggestors
proven tide
anyone calls bullshit and we just tell them how it do
civic pond
pensive
unique vector
i dont like the idea of autorolling tbh
unique vector
plus we should think of ways that require less new roles/channels
proven tide
it can't not be role-based
unique vector
true, but it doesnt hurt to brainstorm
proven tide
which is why i haven't posted uwu
plucky matrix
well it can be not role based
you can edit perms for each member for a specific channel
proven tide
N O
zenith hazel
there's no fair way that wouldn't lead to some backlash tbh
unique vector
joey has bad ideas iirc
sand umbra
i agree iirc
proven tide
seconded
plucky matrix
I DIDNT SAY THATS WHAT I WANTED
unique vector
sand umbra
Honestly, there's no perfect solution.
proven tide
DOESN'T MAKE IT ANY LESS DUMB
i can't see anything outside a #suggestions-discussion check and that would have to be role based
plucky matrix
I just wanted to tell fetus it's possible to do it without roles
sand umbra
No matter what you do, there's still going to be some sort of problems that come up.
zenith hazel
people will be people™️
proven tide
yeah, but if we do it right the problems won't be idiot scum just assholes
sand umbra
Are you sure about that?
proven tide
if we do it right
sand umbra
Because as dumb as some people are, they'll still work to find a way around restrictions to make sure people hear that they're dumb.
proven tide
the definition of right here being "preventing idiot scum from flooding main suggestions without addressing this chat"
if they still ignore it and manage to flood anyway we didn't do it right
sand umbra
Well I'm sorry but.
You'll never be able to do it right without this channel turning into sugmas 2.
proven tide
but hopefully forcing them to talk to the discussions chat would get them to realise that that's a thing that needs doing before they go suggesting
frail mantle
if a role was added just for people who consecutively make good suggestions, there'd only be, like, three people who would get the role
zenith hazel
but still, I honestly believe only trustworthy people being some sort of middlemen would work
sand umbra
Or without people crying fowl.
proven tide
favouritism tbh
sand umbra
^
proven tide
everyone would call bullshit
plucky matrix
manually setting every user out of thirty-five thousand to no speak perms
also that's not even what I meant btw, give @ everyone no perms to send messages and only edit people that would be given permission to send sugmas
zenith hazel
it's to encourage discussion anyway
sand umbra
If you lock to certain people, other people say it's favoritism.
If you lock by message count, people will spam until able to message in #sugmas.
If you lock to anything else...well, what else is there? .u'
plucky matrix
zenith hazel
let trustworthy people able to hear out some people's suggestions
zenith hazel
then if a suggestion gets positive overall feedback, the trustworthy people can post it in #suggestions-voting for the public
plucky matrix
^that
sand umbra
~~but then I can't sugg my balance ideas that make like no sense and 100% sense simultaneously
sade~~
zenith hazel
there will still be some favoritism bullshit happening but like... it's definitely an idea that could work
sand umbra
It could.
The question is whether or not the staffers are willing to put up with even more bullshit than they already do.
zenith hazel
discussion would be more encouraged, bad suggestions won't see the light of day, etc.
proven tide
listen listen
zenith hazel
at least there'll be less bullshit in #suggestions-voting since there's a "filter"
sand umbra
listening
proven tide
"hey i want to post in #suggestions-voting, @fickle crane can i or no"
zenith hazel
:bruh:
proven tide
OH NO SOMEONE IS CALLED MOD
sand umbra
PFFFFFFFFF
proven tide
anyway
plucky matrix
yeah people have a lot of random names
sand umbra
AMAZING
zenith hazel
that could be abused
proven tide
but they have to be manually reviewed
zenith hazel
I think the problem is the number of trustworthy people available to actually post suggestions ngl
proven tide
in what sense?
zenith hazel
say if no trustworthy people are online and discussion gets flooded
how does one keep track of which suggestion to post?
sand umbra
... /blankly raises hand
proven tide
mods watch the channel and decide who is suitable for posting and who's being rart
terse sundial
Not all mods do
proven tide
boi
zenith hazel
yeah but I'm just trying to rule out the tiniest of possibilities
terse sundial
only a few deal with suggestions
terse sundial
Rover also deals with suggestions
proven tide
:boi:
zenith hazel
what if, really hypothetically, no one who checks suggestions is online?
that could be a problem
proven tide
then wait
but also mods would have to be informed that suggestions checking is a thing that they should do more
zenith hazel
another problem arises, discussion gets flooded
civic pond
i have returned
plucky matrix
tbf I don't think there's a high chance for that to occur especially since 
there's gonna be like 30 or so mods
proven tide
^
zenith hazel
I feel like we're going in a loop at this point
proven tide
but as a hypothetical rare what if
civic pond
I have a quick question
sand umbra
I have a quick answer
plucky matrix
yeah it's not gonna happen and if it doesn it's gonna be like 30m
zenith hazel
if we're like really desperate, warn the people with bad suggestions without effort
definitely a bad idea
civic pond
I don't know if this has been discussed before but, what if people have to discuss it here first in order to post..?
civic pond
wh
placid moth
That was the point
proven tide
that's the entire convo we're having
zenith hazel
last resort tbh
sand umbra
I think that's the whole point lel--
civic pond
ok then nevermind
plucky matrix
terse sundial
proven tide
different ways of implementing that
sand umbra
Welcome to
this.
zenith hazel
but a filter would be nice
proven tide
manual review vs. roles vs. bot shit
queen delta
Smh imagine saying something rather than looking up history for context
civic pond
proven tide
burntkalto
queen delta
Bruhkalto
terse sundial
The end goal is to make this entire process done by bots
proven tide
is it? 'cause botroling sucks
terse sundial
That's been set in stone already
proven tide
and then nobody has any manual say
civic pond
huh
proven tide
that would be abused
plucky matrix
bots aren't really accurate
zenith hazel
inb4 people complain "smh, bots are taking over, us people don't have freedom of speech anymore"
placid moth
what
proven tide
boom limit reached post time
terse sundial
That's why the process has been delayed
proven tide
we can't make it auto because it's shibby
proven tide
but manual review might work if we tweak how this channel works
proven tide
I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU THINK mm yes
civic pond
I wouldn't mind that
terse sundial
A template doesn't really matter as we already use a template for sent suggestions
proven tide
^
zenith hazel
for people who make suggestions I mean
proven tide
the template doesn't change how stupid the ideas are or the person's attitude to being helpfully criticised
zenith hazel
but yeah
proven tide
so have we reached any sort of consensus bar that there needs to be something at all?
toxic pagoda
jesus I didn't know my suggestion would get that many stars this fast
balmy coyote
frail mantle
you can
civic pond
it do not matter
frail mantle
it's usually frowned upon, but self-starring isn't actually against the rules
toxic pagoda
well I know liking/upvoting/starring your own "things" is frowned upon but I just believe that my suggestion is by all means absolutely necessary
frail mantle
then go for it
toxic pagoda
done.
tired haven
I have a certain conspiracy theory that the star you place yourself generally is outweighed by a bunch of people who do not star because of self-star
civic pond
placid moth
Have you suffered too much because of the 1HP Hardcore run
zenith hazel
he’s lost it, let him be
tired haven
mfw offtop, but no, it's not enough
smoky wagon
who are these people that care that you starred your own suggestion
its incredibly petty
plucky matrix
me
smoky wagon
judge the sugg on it’s own merits, not “he self star so i dont like”
its like how people will star stuff just because the person who suggested it has a colored role
plucky matrix
it's more of a "oh he self-starred, I'll count that as my star then"
smoky wagon
void kelp
personally I don’t self-star since it’s like. ofc I’m biased towards my suggestion. but at the same time I don’t judge people for self-starring even if it’s cheese
sand umbra
Mood.
void kelp
warm tinsel
I refrain from self-starring usually
Well, if I get to 95 I actually do just for the sake of completionism
Also we do need an item
For Levi and Nahlyn
terse sundial
I saw that
hearty yew
@earnest zealot if EoC won't die in Rev+, disable overhaul, that's a bug with overhaul
tired haven
Technically, the star from the bot is your star pretty much
Now that I thought about it
civic pond
woah
plucky matrix
so technically you can cheat 2 stars
warm tinsel
And that is also why I usually don't do it unless I get past 90
toxic pagoda
@tired haven I never starred myself until now bc I simply just want my suggestion to be implemented
There’s a certain degree in which a suggestion just needs to be implemented
warm tinsel
For example SCal's Expert Bag
And Sentinels' too
And the Rock being placeable
I could go for hours
radiant meadow
none of those needs to be implemented though?
and siren won't be named nahlyn anymore once the lore changes
toxic pagoda
idk just "obliterator" for a pre HM drill sounds so unecessary it makes my ears hurt
toxic pagoda
yea idk about a sentinel bag
dusty stirrup
SCal will get a bag when she gets her own drops
toxic pagoda
yeah I figured
like Lament's Breath would be a cool flamethrower since similar name to Havoc's breath and Lament is a part of the scal theme
faint needle
But as of now scal doesnt have enough drops for a bag
ruby cobalt
she has one (1) drop
solemn flame
Make crabulon have a rare drop of the psychedelic mushroom?? Maybe get rid of buying one?
Maybe?
void kelp
why, though?
gusty geode
If I may
The bug with EoC and Overhaul is supposedly on Calamity's side
smoky wagon
fresh harbor
hearty yew
@gusty geode well then! tell me how to fix it and I will
i too tire of pointless name calling
there's no point in us endlessly saying "overhaul's fault" and overhaul endlessly saying "calamity's fault"
has mirsario or anyone else given instructions on how to fix the bug?
gusty geode
Not that I know of
gusty geode
However sry wifi cut
I do have a guess myself
plucky matrix
well like, celestus is insanely strong though, before melee ataraxia buff it was considered the best class for scal
swift bison
i did create an exo throwing spear concept once
gusty geode
Might be a DR issue
Idk if Overhaul adds any DR to bosses, but if it does
That boost combined with the one from Calamity's modes could push it past 100%
Resulting in it being unkillable
This could be fixed by adding a check for if Overhaul is installed
And reducing/removing EoC's rev+ DR buffs if it is
But I'm a coding novice, so maybe it's more complicated than that
unique vector
@steel raptor rogue expansion is the next major update. please wait for it before asking for new rogue content as anything rogue-related might already be planned.
steel raptor
👌🏻 good to know.
plucky matrix
More traps 
radiant meadow
Terry already said trying to fix masorev eoc is more trouble than for what its worth
tired haven
How about I kill you instead of fab 
plucky matrix
ashen warren
queen delta
Why?
proven tide
@fluid stone what does that achieve? why scrap a tribute to a cool and good man who unfortunately committed cease? where is this idea coming from?
hollow saffron
@fluid stone add a reason qhy
proven tide
honestly just remove it 'cause it's gonna go nowhere and literally nobody wants to delett the legacy tribute to our man
void kelp
man, RIP tb.
radiant meadow
let's see if they respond first
void kelp
yeah. I’m pretty sure dedicated items aren’t going to be removed; that’s a bit of a given, I thought
proven tide
esp. one dedicated to an 🇫
radiant meadow
halibut is like half reference half tribute pretty sure
hollow saffron
🇫
radiant meadow
unlike other dedicated items, it's not a challenge item, dev item, or patron item
void kelp
it’s pretty much a reference/tribute to TotalBiscuit, who unfortunately passed from colon cancer some time back
radiant meadow
but a suggestion should have some sort of reason
void kelp
absolutely. a reason would be great
plucky matrix
They don't like our lul-boy 😔
void kelp
~~oh I’m gonna segue into #general-media ~~
loud steeple
can someone promplty kick @fluid stone ass?
radiant meadow
if you're going to say something, please say something that actually contributes to suggestions @loud steeple
loud steeple
sorry
grizzled matrix
Also Halibut Cannon is balanced
hollow shell
@fluid stone Elaborate and provide reasoning
grizzled matrix
0.00001% to drop right?
Fair for an overpowered weapon
Can't be increased with defiled either
swift bison
halibut cannon is balanced against DoG
plucky matrix
Makes sense considering its around polter tier
queen sail
No reason inputted either
If you want to remove the meme weapon dedicated to a dead guy then at least state why
Least you could do tbh
queen sail
Bruh moment
grizzled matrix
They aren't online right now, not online on steam either.
queen sail
Bruh momentum so big it propelled me to the moon
young fog
it seems to be kind of a meme sugg
queen sail
What’s the meme in removing halibut though
livid coral
Temptation to warn, but we'll count this as a verbal warning so next half assed suggestion will get a warning
smoky wagon
i think if halibut was reworked to just be a normal weapon for pre-DoG instead of a dmg scaling meme it could be interesting
but removing it is
i need to get around to my barracuda gun suggestion
Move Barracuda Gun in progression Recently, weapons like the Baleful Harvester and Galactus Blade have been moved in progression so they aren't just an immediate upgrade to a weapon in the same tier, and Barracuda Gun meets the same requirements. In it's current state its both weak and rather forgettable, but moving it to Post-Golem or later and buffing it at the same time could mean people using it more.
radiant meadow
halibut won't become a normal weapon for pre-DoG
smoky wagon
i know it wont
radiant meadow
there was a suggestion for that a while back and it was rejected
brittle merlin
Ok but who actually uses magic dagger? Like I’ve never heard of anyone seriously using it
lime magnet
Lol I guess that’s fair
radiant meadow
it's pre mechs, not using it after plantera is normal
plucky matrix
Upgrade for it might be nice tbh, it's an interesting weapon to begin with
brittle merlin
I agreee but it seems subpar to me
lime magnet
True, but good upgrades can come from bad weapons
brittle merlin
Magic dagger that is
plucky matrix
Could also make it an on-tier upgrade, just like you can upgrade void of calamity to void of extinction right after you get it
lime magnet
True
plucky matrix
Could make it a viable weapon for mechs actually
spiral olive
it's kinda just a throwaway weapon tbh, i doubt you could make it much more interesting even with an upgrade
smoky wagon
its good in vanilla i thought
brittle merlin
Lmao
spiral olive
carpal tunnel from no autofire in vanilla
frosty kindle
Mobile users: 
west prairie
it is godlike on mobile
empty geyser
Asking for an upgrade to an item that isn't widely used or important in progression simply because it's "unique" basically kills the purpose of patron items
Magic Dagger destroys the destroyer
open sphinx
i like the suggestion to move barracuda gun up a tier, i was gonna suggest something like that as you can get it right after plantera
lofty blade
devout seal
Hey..
Why should cosmilite be bars if it drops from DoG?
shouldn't it be renamed to Cosmilite Scrap?
and resprited to look like scraps from DoG's second phase's armor?
devout seal
I can easily put smth together for it and submit the sprite in the art server, and write the suggestion here.
warm tinsel
Talking about cosmilite
What about my suggestion to have CV drop a Calamitous Cosmilite (cursed by SCal to keep CV contained) and have it purified with Endothermic Energy and Nightmare Fuel in Draedon's Forge to get Purified (normal) Cosmilite bars?
Lore relevance everybody!
If you approve I'll repost it
Oh, of course it would be purified post-DoG
devout seal
It could just be enchanted with rune etchings, or has some kinda fancy tech keeping it contained.
Draedon probably made CV, and probably was able to figure out how to stop a rift from tearing reality asunder.
Gonna write a suggestion real quick for mine:
Consistency Update/Gripe:
Rename Cosmilite Bars into Cosmilite Scrap
DoG drops cosmilite, right? Why would he drop perfectly shaped ingots?
It'd make more sense for it to be scrap that gets formed into the drops and items, works for the stuff it's made from too.
That good?
faint needle
Iirc dog was messing with intergalactic portals and CV came into existence then he was like"Woopsie, gotta contain him"
teal ibex
just a reminder, hallowed bars exist
there is an in-game precedent for bosses to drop refined bars
i'm not saying it makes sense, but it exists 
young fog
also, ravager exists
tawdry magnet
What’s CV?
frail mantle
Ceaseless Void in this case
warm dock
i know i am bad a these but please don't argue i had too much of that
foggy kindle
Idk man, your suggestion doesn't look like it won't get questions
warm dock
lol i know
worthy fiber
Would be better if you suggested things that would actually help the mod
proven tide
and had a place in the lore
also, where would this new siren go? the design of the heart array is perfectly symmetrical as it is
@warm dock also, why?
warm dock
i don't know
proven tide
then don't suggest it
warm dock
im stupid then
warm dock
imm more stupid than anybody here :l
warm dock
i know
solemn flame
No, I AM
I suggested that crabulon had the paychadellic mushroom as a rare drop
Psychedelic
warm dock
ill try again!
proven tide
tip: don't suggest for the sake of suggesting
proven tide
suggest when there's a proper and compelling reason for the mod to include the idea
solemn flame
it was just a thought...
proven tide
"why not" is not a reason
warm dock
i didnt put why not as a reason
tawdry magnet
jeez how old are you lol