Is the wiki changed now?
#suggestions-discussion
viscid tiger
hidden marsh
which is hardcore mode
hollow shell
Yes
terse sundial
yes
zenith hazel
they're not that expensive
hollow shell
It's fixed
viscid tiger
Nice
sand umbra
You can craft Mana Potions.
hidden marsh
I know but its still hardcore mode
zenith hazel
since when did wizard only sells mana pots in hardcore?
hollow shell
You're talking about Greater Mana Potions, Trail
sand umbra
He's mixing up Hardcore setting for chars and Hardmode.
zenith hazel
you mean hardmode?
hollow shell
Regular and Lesser Mana potions are obtainable in Pre-HM
sand umbra
The latter of which is a regular part of game progression anyway.
hidden marsh
No thr wizard appears after u defeat the wall of flesh
hollow shell
You buy Lesser from the Merchant
zenith hazel
yeah it's hardmode, not hardcore
sand umbra
Also Greater Mana Potions can be obtained in pre-Hardmode.
zenith hazel
again, mana potions aren't even that hard to get
hollow shell
"Hardcore" is the setting in the character select screen where you die permanently
sand umbra
Same with Greater Healing Potions.
hollow shell
"Hardmode" is when you kill Wall of Flesh
sand umbra
Fishing is a beautiful thing--
hollow shell
Don't bring fishing into this
hidden marsh
Fishing is boring
sand umbra
o ok
hollow shell
My wife was killed by a fishing rod
sand umbra
.n.
zenith hazel
was your wife ganondorf from twilight princess?
hollow shell
yes and yes
zenith hazel
anyway, if you can find a glowing mushroom biome, boom, a shit ton of mana potions
brittle merlin
Fishing is fun
void kelp
star my fishing expansion suggestion
brittle merlin
I did
hidden marsh
Is there any new npcs?
terse sundial
wdym?
sand umbra
swift bison
Cirrus the drunk princess and fabs self insert
permafrost the ice mage who was sealed in cryogen
zenith hazel
archmage, sea king, drunk princess
swift bison
and amidas, the king of the sea obliterated by calamitas
sand umbra
You find one just by progressing through the game, you find another by poking a clam, and you find the third by holding a bottle of 12-decade-old booze in your inventory made with unicorn hooves and pixie dust a.k.a. LSD.
Coincidentally, the last one sells you drinks and shrooms. And candles I guess.
zenith hazel
shouldn't we be in #calamity-mod-talk for this?
sand umbra
shhhhhhhhhhhhh
~~this is probably related to a suggestion somehow
also i forgot i was here~~
fresh drift
oh hek my suggestion requires a single s t a r
sand umbra
fresh drift
also how come deathmode exclusive stuff will never be accepted
i know of leviathan's item but thats because hes a god
queen delta
because rev is the main difficulty
opaque grail
death isnt meant to be like expert/rev with new stuff for higher difficulty
due to how ridiculously difficult it is, as rev is already extremely chalenging, exclusive items for a difficult as high up as that is just a dick move
fresh drift
i see
gusty geode
Saw that Lunar event for SCal
Idk about that
But more unconventional means of summoning bosses would be pretty nice tbh
Like
Almost all bosses just have an item summon
And even if there is another way to summon some bosses
They still have an item summon that can be obtained at the same tier
And I don't mind having an item summon for when you need to go back and grind a boss for a specific item
But imo it should only be made available after you kill that boss for the first time
jovial spire
Add a config option of if you are worthy to Yharon
Why this should be added: Having to make a whole new world to farm Yharon phase 1 for some drops is kinda tiring for people who wann farm drops easier after getting darksun fragments or dont know that you can farm Yharon before mothron for more bags/items like Infernal Spear or Chicken Cannon, this would be a fix for that inconvienience. The config might be called something such as "YharonWorthyPostDarksun", and be defaulted to true.
Any ideas to improve this or no?
gusty geode
Yharon has drops in phase 1?
Or is this like
To provide for sequence breakers
I'm not against that
But I doubt it would get much support
hollow shell
I can see the issue and it's been brought up before
but I feel like a config is not a good solution for that
Maybe he can drop his bag upon transitioning into Phase 2, or if you die during Phase 2 he drops it while he flies away (kinda mimicking the Yharon1 win).
Or his drops become craftable with Darksun Fragments or some new material, like "Dragon Feathers" dropped by Bumblebirbs post-Yharon1.
proven tide
@sick sluice
this is why i want a fucking #suggestions-discussion filter on that fucking channel
sick sluice
Oh, sorry... im just trying to throw out ideas, didn't know it was already an item.
proven tide
queen sail
What
opal barn
Don't post random memes, thanks @ashen warren
proven tide
@foggy vapor the ancient ice chunk exists
foggy vapor
hollow idol
Shameless plug: my patron item fits that description
zenith hazel
early hardmode has like 3 options already
summoner weapons are also kinda wonky to make iirc
hollow saffron
Is there any way to see iF the person who made a suggestion voted on their own one
To prevent cheating
terse sundial
yes, there is a way, but what does it matter really
1 star makes almost no difference
hollow saffron
Fair
ashen warren
Last I checked the stance on translations was "when the mod is finished"
Though a japanese translation could potentially skyrocket the fanbase.
cedar jacinth
Fug, didnt know that there will be.
void kelp
iirc there are fan translations for chinese
hollow shell
There was somebody who translated everything in the mod into Spanish in a spreadsheet
(not implemented though)
ashen warren
Man these people are dedicated.
void kelp
I mean, the entirety of localization for Slay the Spire was done by volunteers, so it’s not too surprising
jovial spire
@hollow shell Yeah i suppose that would be a better idea, ill write that one gimmie a moment
I personally like them being craftable
plucky prairie
reduce the shop prices for birb pheromones from 5 plat to 50 gold, celestial sigil from 3 plat to either 1 plat or 50 gold, profaned shard from 10 plat to 50 gold, lihzahrd power cell from 30 to 25, and enchanted metal from 15 gold to 10 gold
increase the shop price of the cryo key from 15 gold to 20 gold
for birb pheromones and the profaned shards 10 plat is a really high price considering that it isnt very hard to get either summon and the bosses arent exceptional for farming. for the lihzahrd power cell, it'd make more sense for it to be the same price as the solar tablet, since both are obtained from the jungle temple, for the enchanted metal its because in order to make a mech summon it costs 45 gold currently to make one when the steampunker sells them for 20 gold after they've been defeated, and this would reduce it to 30 gold to fight them, and for the cryo key it is just so that it matches with the price of the summons for the other 2 mech alts
its annoying how my reasoning for the suggestion takes up nearly twice as much space as the suggestion itself
hollow shell
(thats a good thing in my eyes)
signal prairie
I love that idea
hollow shell
The Lihzahrd Power Cell's reasoning seems a bit arbitrary
but everything else is fine
plucky prairie
i was also thinking about suggesting to change the prices of the evil accessories sold by the dryad but i decided against it because it'd feel kinda pointless and would only be a change of like 1 gold
small talon
@mossy light wrong server, this isnt the tmodloader discord, this is the calamity discord
mossy light
calamity is right below my tmod loader disc
young fog
@warm tinsel read pins here
unique vector
@warm tinsel
please remove your suggestion and tell the original suggestor to add it to their suggestion
warm tinsel
Okay
@cedar jacinth instead of just jap, add italian and other languages to your suggestion 
opaque grail
If we get new language they COULD try asking new people to be translators, like other games like HoH
warm tinsel
I could help with italian
karmic stone
First, of all, someone should make clear if this coding is possible, second of all I personally don't think this is necessary, just be careful and protect them
Also you can use the cosmolight to quickly respawn npcs but ok
young fog
the coding should be possible, as in Fargo's Mutant Mod they have a NPC that gains HP during progression
but HP values might be hardcoded for Vanilla
terse sundial
@clear plover Specific weapon suggestions are a no-go right now.
clear plover
neon birch
smh
neon birch
naughty
dusty stirrup
Hi yes
young fog
Thank
terse sundial
@warm dock Your suggestion is very unclear, what specifically are you talking about?
warm dock
well gifing devourer of gods
smoky wagon
I think he wants an animated DoG
terse sundial
For what though?
smoky wagon
I have no idea if animating worms is possible
karmic stone
Animating worms, lol
warm dock
it is
karmic stone
Source?
warm dock
you can brigthen the light then dim it
terse sundial
You want The DoG to become more animated in-game?
warm dock
yes
karmic stone
...I don't get it
zealous ridge
do you mean making the phase transition smoother
karmic stone
Wdym by the lighting thing?
terse sundial
Okay, I was extremely confused by the way you worded your suggestion.
karmic stone
Am still confuse
warm dock
well you see the purple light on devourer of gods
smoky wagon
warm dock
like on his mouth
zealous ridge
godslayer breath?
warm dock
no
karmic stone
The flamethrower?
zealous ridge
or like the pink on his sprite?
terse sundial
Animating things in a 2D game isn't something that can be done effectively. Gifs are used for sprites, problem is that DoG is more than a hundred segments and getting all of the gifs of each segment to line up would take ages.
warm dock
oh yeah
terse sundial
It may be possible, but it would be an extremely high effort task for not much payoff
hollow shell
Sorry holden but I'm finding it hard to tell what it is you're suggesting (by looking at the suggestion itself)
Do you mean like a transformation animation?
proven tide
that doesn't clarify what you mean
warm dock
its hard to ok!
hollow shell
Yeah I don't know what you want this gif to accomplish
karmic stone
Probably read above
warm dock
explain it
karmic stone
Basically they just want animations because cool
proven tide
what do you want? where do you want it? how do you want it applied? why do you want it? what do you want it to apply to?
karmic stone
I read that in a really menacing voice for some reason
warm dock
it would be easier i i showed you with a picture but i cant put a picure in
hollow shell
I think I understand
proven tide
animated dog sprite?
warm dock
what do they use
hollow shell
Just say "animation" or "animated sprite"
hollow shell
They have sprite sheets, which is just a big png containing all the frames of the animation and is scrolls through the png
warm dock
like the purple light on the devourer gods
i edited it to make the moderators understand
proven tide
nothing's changed
hollow shell
He changed gif to animation
proven tide
oof
hollow shell
Grammar could still be improved
hollow shell
Improved sentence example:
"Animated sprites for The Devourer of Gods and his final phase to make him look more natural"
(the "to make him look" is important cuz at the moment the sentence doesn't make much sense)
warm dock
oh
proven tide
except for the fact that it then refers to the situational lighting
the magenta background
warm dock
no no no its nt the backround
hollow shell
I think he's just suggesting that the body glows and dims
warm dock
yes
fresh harbor
I think it's so that Doggo's body changes colors like Yharon does in his final phase
noble falcon
Add higher chance to enemies target the wearer in the Tarragon Helm (or it set bonus)
hollow shell
Reason?
void kelp
aw you sniped me
noble falcon
Playing multplayer with a friend and if you are doing melee you usually have more def, just like what happens in the vanilla armor
karmic stone
@noble falcon Bloodflare has this property because it goes with it, one of the best thing it's useful for is farming and surviving waves of enemies, hence the increased aggro, tarragon doesn't have any reason for this, just use zerg
hollow shell
That's a fair reason
In the meantime you can equip Elysian Aegis and activate the guard, that boosts your aggro right up
noble falcon
Just to make sure I'm not crazy, the guard of it makes you slower right?
karmic stone
Yes
ashen warren
Yep
zealous ridge
lowers speed yeah
hollow shell
But, higher attack and defense (and aggro)
radiant meadow
@lunar geyser problem with vanilla code
Cannot be fixed
Same for stuff like sdmg and minishark
queen sail
Wasn’t it made incompatible with the machine gun weps so that it doesn’t turn into “Equip this accessory to double your dps”
terse sundial
Nope, it's not intentional that it doesn't work
lunar geyser
hmm thats weird
novel pebble
Different Language channels probably won't exist because moderators can't moderate something they don't understand
proven tide
@ashen warren the devs don't really like wasting time on effectively useless vanity items
queen delta
I feel like your friends were probably wanting to uninstall the mod if they wanted to do it over that
radiant meadow
@copper flame servers in other languages would be extremely difficult to effectively moderate due to language barriers
@tough ruin you can purchase stuff like worm scarf because they are used in recipes later in the game
None of the corrupt/crimson mimic drops craft into anything
copper flame
@radiant meadow You will talk on English at them(Or maybe some other language mods)
Like me i am Russian :D
radiant meadow
@thin shale banshee hook is post polter and can easily (depending on player skill) defeat the Devourer of Gods
Stream Gouge is at Cosmilite tier for yharon
I could talk English at them
But there's no point
I wouldn't understand them
If I can't understand them, I can't moderate them
worthy fiber
Russian Calamity server exists but it's unofficial
tough ruin
@radiant meadow How you will explain, that crimson chests can be found in corrupt world?
copper flame
@radiant meadow You still have variant talk on English and Some guys will post in translation channel variant of translation and Real Russian guys will check if its correct
@worthy fiber I am about Translation server not just Russian
radiant meadow
Scouge of the Cosmos for Crimson worlds
thin shale
Post Dasksun or Auric-tier spears would do
tough ruin
But it's done to solve problem with creating second world
radiant meadow
No, it's done to prevent severe tunneling of options later in the game
tough ruin
So you did it, because it's not enough weapons in late game
radiant meadow
That is likely the primary reason
tired haven
Most of suggestions are done when experiencing a trouble in your own playthroughs
The difference between bad and good suggestion in that case is whether it accounts for majority of players and dev team or it is focused solely on fixing the person's problem (like "increase luminite drops because I had to farm moon lord 10 times")
tough ruin
That's why this star voting is here
If I struggle with something probably Im not alone
tired haven
I didn't mean anyone recently posting personally, just sharing a concept itself, so yeah
hearty yew
@thin shale don't worry, we got you covered
terse sundial
placid moth
But it's a good one imo
void kelp
It’s also a specific item suggestion
civic pond
even if its good
void kelp
@ashen warren read the pins
civic pond
sad
wary lark
Regarding the BFB accessory, maybe a whole progression would be better?
BFB is not the strongest bloon there is
void kelp
even if it’s a good suggestion, it’s against suggestion rules because specific item suggestions are :ech:
distant gyro
I also have doubts that an entire line would work as that's a lot of bloons
void kelp
also I’m p sure that concept has been submitted before and it didn’t make it very far
placid moth
Bloons TD but Terraria
distant gyro
If I were to make a specific suggestion then it's DDT because there's no upgrade to that
wary lark
Yeah, MOAB BFB and ZOMG
distant gyro
placid moth
tf does BFB mean anyway
void kelp
the effort and thought is appreciated I know that, but it’s unfortunately against the rules
distant gyro
eh that's offtopic
void kelp
“Big Freaking Bloon”
ashen warren
Brutal Flying Behemoth.
wary lark
I haven't played the newest games, but in deluxe 5 ZOMG was the strongest one, right?
void kelp
yes
placid moth
You could try phrasing it in a more generic way such that it's less specific
As mentioned in the pins
void kelp
I would change it to “add additional mobility accessories for defiled mode post-ML”
distant gyro
It's MOAB -> BFB -> ZOMG -> BAD
void kelp
same reasoning
civic pond
Something vage is always better
distant gyro
well that's offtopic memes
wary lark
Oh, there's a new super bloon?
civic pond
BAD? :fear:
void kelp
sounds bad
civic pond
ok lets not discuss that here
distant gyro
If anything
“add additional mobility accessories for defiled mode post-ML”
this is probably a better idea
wary lark
Fair enough
void kelp
yeah it’s getting off-topic
my proposed change should remove it from being a specific item suggestion while keeping the same theming
- intention
terse sundial
It feels like an item that exist just to be a reference which is a no-go.
void kelp
also, a specific item suggestion
civic pond
yeah the reference put me off
terse sundial
Also specific item suggestions aren't super welcome right now.
civic pond
or ever iirc
void kelp
please keep it as forever
terse sundial
Yes.
void kelp
i think it can only be applied if the suggestion has been sent to devs? or
civic pond
oh
void kelp
merk needs to review it to veto it
civic pond
I'll keep an eye on them then
terse sundial
Things aren't instantly rejected usually
civic pond
thats understandable.
void kelp
ahhh
void kelp
so the whole instant reject of old brimstone crags is a different case?
terse sundial
It's a process
zealous ridge
Half of the reason defiled is difficult is that the wings don’t work, having an upgrade to Moab that nullifies that post-ml would make half the reason defiled is difficult essentially null
void kelp
oh that’s also a very valid reasoning against, chorizo!
terse sundial
Yes, Brimstone Crags being reverted is something that I'm pretty sure no one wanted on the Dev team.
void kelp
except for the same people who wanted astrageldon slime back
zealous ridge
brimstone crags looked cooler when it was an eye but was worse for gameplay
civic pond
just get vanity mod for astrageldon pet iirc
zealous ridge
zenith hazel
yeah that's gonna be a no
placid moth
@glacial sonnet bruh
Actually if you do a Patreon donation, it will eventually get in.
karmic stone
@elder mist
elder mist
?
void kelp
bruh
civic pond
brohg
karmic stone
Meme suggestion please delete thanks
zealous ridge
no please
- Enough melee weapons for post yharon
- Would not help progression much, try elemental shiv for basically the entire game and get an upgrade post-yharon
3.no specific item suggestions
karmic stone
Nvm im just slow Lol
void kelp
it’s literally all of the suggestion donts
elder mist
Where did he say it was a meme suggestion?
zealous ridge
wasn’t really a meme, but very oversuggested
placid moth
He said it in the calamity mod talk
karmic stone
On the suggestion and in #calamity-mod-talk
void kelp
exo shiv inherently a meme
ashen warren
guys exo pickaxe axe hammer drill when? :^)
civic pond
wary lark
I don't think combining a pickaxe and hammer would be a good idea
ashen warren
should be viable for sc, boss rush, and also the best utility tool in the game so you never need to use another item for anything at all ever
karmic stone
Hampick is so annoying to use while building houses
hollow shell
@ashen warren Specific item suggestions are no longer allowed.
radiant meadow
I think the only moab upgrade that would ever happen would be patron item
Moab upgrade has been suggested several times in the past
hollow shell
It has.
civic pond
what would be a good reason to add a squint emote to this server
its calamity related too
hollow shell
squinting 
distant gyro
there it is
smoky wagon
Actually shade it
zealous ridge
distant gyro
@languid wyvern that's still specific though iirc
not to mention
I think the only moab upgrade that would ever happen would be patron item
Moab upgrade has been suggested several times in the past
languid wyvern
when did this happen
radiant meadow
Same name too
languid wyvern
eh i guess imma just gather some cash and bribe the developers 
well same name because moabs are from another game called bloons and bfb's are the next tier of bloon from moabs
latent jasper
^^
distant gyro
imo that's a bad idea
if bfb exists, people will ultimately ask for a zomg and a bad
latent jasper
true
radiant meadow
No moab upgrade is planned
languid wyvern
fricc
radiant meadow
or any wings for that matter
languid wyvern
i was reading the changelogs and it said that moab was gonna be put later in progression and i was like "hmm"
radiant meadow
That already happened
radiant meadow
It uses mech souls now
distant gyro
I think you can do the thing now
civic pond
the thing?
oh the thing
also would "Because we don't have a squint emote in this server and its calamity related" be a valid reason?
civic pond
so then when would people use it..
so then when would people use it..
i cant exactly remember
so then when would people use it..
radiant meadow
How does it look when small?
radiant meadow
Like in Discord chat
radiant meadow
Custom server screenshot smh
hollow shell
Still looks more like disappointed eyes than squint eyes
but that has its usage too
civic pond
hrm
hollow shell
"danksappointment"
civic pond
jesus christ
radiant meadow
Bad
distant gyro
I was gonna compare it to normal squint but idk how that is either
oh god that pun
civic pond
on second though im going to go back to the drawing board
dont add that for the love of god
:fear:
ashen warren
hollow shell
what about the animated one
civic pond
aa
ashen warren
I don't have that one by the looks of it
terse sundial
hollow shell
that's the one
night cradle
^
terse sundial
@unborn pendant There is already a tooltip informing the player to be cautious with the weapon, but it is getting a rework next update.
unborn pendant
radiant meadow
Ye, next update, it's only like 30s
tawny tide
thank god
plucky prairie
@steel raptor you should include having revengeance and iron heart also be in the starter bag
opal barn
They are both in the bag
terse sundial
they aren't in the bag because of bag memes
civic pond
opal barn
yeah you start with them in the inventory
hollow shell
Yeah they're just in the inventory
steel raptor
^
plucky prairie
my point stands then
opal barn
but why
plucky prairie
if you have several mods that make you spawn with items, some of them overwrite others
steel raptor
you'd get duplicates, which provide no advantages
plucky prairie
this would lessen that
if they were in the bag they wouldnt need to be in the inventory
so you wouldnt have dupes
hollow shell
@terse sundial What are bag memes
terse sundial
It used to be where sometimes the bag wouldn't spawn in the inventory even with the (No Music) mod of Calamity
Don't know if those occur anymore
hollow shell
I've never heard of that, but then again I don't peruse the bug channel much
steel raptor
In the pinned messages I haven't seen the new 🚫 reaction at all
terse sundial
Rev would be out of the bag because of that
hollow shell
Well rejections don't happen too often
terse sundial
because not many things are rejected instantly ^
hollow shell
(but they happen often enough to warrant the new reaction)
steel raptor
Does the new reaction only apply towards upcoming suggestions?
hollow shell
The last thing that was rejected was a Brimstone Crags config suggestion earlier this month
terse sundial
I reacted any rejected suggestions that came out after July 1st, 2019
steel raptor
ok
civic pond
it takes time for them to review stuff
plucky matrix
but if something is rejected isn't the user who posted it just asked to delete the message
civic pond
hueh
hollow shell
(also @elder mist I scrolled back and saw a bunch of reactions to the specific item ban server suggestions
dunno when you did that but please don't do that)
elder mist
I did that?
The only time I remember putting reactions was on the "Calamity GOD" suggestion that got deleted.
hollow shell
It was smug faces and an animated wheezing pepe that exploded
hollow shell
Yeah
civic pond
radiant meadow
Lompl is also naughty sometimes iirc
bitter topaz
lomp is a pretty unruly rattus rattus
west prairie
There’s a reason nobody does and it’s that it’s a pain
civic pond
west prairie
Re: the suggestion
civic pond
i doubt yharon needs anymore drops
west prairie
Its just tedious to dig out an arena like that
civic pond
although maybe a dragon's breath buff?
balmy coyote
Most people hate making just a plantera arena, why would you go so far to make one big enough to accommodate yharon
civic pond
that would probably destroy at least a third of my jungle
plucky matrix
interesting suggestion, don't see a reason to 1. fight him in undergound jungle or 2. give him more drops, he already has a lot imo
dusty stirrup
If anything just polish some of his current drops
civic pond
^^
elder mist
- Nobody fights him underground because his attacks are meant for you to dodge by having a lot of space, and unless you have like fargo's galactic reformer, nobody's gonna spend time digging that much space in underground.
civic pond
seriously is there anything wrong with buffing dragons breath
elder mist
Yes, chicken cannon.
Chicken cannon needs to be better otherwise I will personally RKO the entirety of the dev team with my arms.
elder mist
Joking aside dragon's breath is in a pretty good state last I saw dps tests.
young fog
yharons drops are pretty lacklustre
civic pond
really?
elder mist
Yeah.
elder mist
Because chicken cannon deals more damage.
But it deals more damage because dragon's breath is near hit-scan speed while chicken cannon's projectile takes it's sweet ass time to travel.
civic pond
ah i see.
elder mist
People'd just rather miss w/ chicken cannon and have higher dps than consistency ig. I just use chicken cannon cause it's my fav calam weapon.
hollow shell
@ashen warren Look above for feedback
cosmic jungle
civic pond
^
cosmic jungle
Nitro magic
plucky prairie
server suggestions are allowed, right?
hollow shell
server*, yes
plucky prairie
alright
queen delta
How’d the s get there lol
queen delta
True
radiant meadow
Its better for burst damage and does well against donuts and birb when merk tested
Did mediocre for prov but there's like 10 options
queen delta
Maybe only terra shiv should have it? Or perhaps true night’s edge/exc shortsword should have it too?
queen delta
Yeah but why not a new effect instead of damage boost?
queen delta
Even with damage boost, people are probably gonna go for terra blade or true ark over shiv
radiant meadow
Most likely that is true
terse sundial
yeah I brought it up, but a damage buff is all that came out of it
terse sundial
Ele Shiv though after its buffs are very hot compared to what it was
swift bison
there is already an eidolon wyrm pet in calamity's vanities
radiant meadow
@regal jetty aew already drops 3 weapons at 100% chance
1 op weapon that scales and is insanely rare otherwise
2 weapons that normally are post polter
regal jetty
im looking for a thing that ony drops from the wormlike the bone key
swift bison
Halibut isn't That op compared to the post polter weapons
civic pond
there is literally a vanity mod
civic pond
that has a wyrm pet
regal jetty
'O'
frail mantle
and also exists in Calamity's Vanities
radiant meadow
Astral solution already exists @languid wyvern
languid wyvern
what is it made of
swift bison
you get it from steampunker in an astral biome
radiant meadow
Been like that since astral infection became more than just a meteor
languid wyvern
alright imma change my suggestion to be just some way to spawn an astral biome then
radiant meadow
Kill aureus
zealous ridge
isn’t that a thing too
swift bison
i think that if there are no astral ore blocks in a world, then the next astral meteor will spawn another infection
zealous ridge
yeah killing aureus spawns more astral biome
languid wyvern
but if you don't have an astral biome you cant get the stardust necesary to spawn him
swift bison
kiilling aureus spawns more meteors
languid wyvern
i did but it didn't spawn it for some reason
swift bison
if you already have an astral infection, extra meteors spawned by killing aureus don't spawn the entire rest of the biome, correct?
languid wyvern
having the option to just plop it in would be nice
swift bison
Crag, Planetoids, and Abyss spawn on worldgen i believe
hollow idol
i think they mean if you have a vanilla world and want to calamify it
swift bison
ah
languid wyvern
there are a lot of reasons to want to do that but yeah that was the main one
zealous ridge
brimmy crags can just used placed blocks right?
hollow idol
well the abyss actually works even if the abyss isnt there
zealous ridge
I know sulphuric sea and abyss are region locked
hollow idol
so you can just dig a big hole and fill it with water and you can get minibosses and such spawning
and fish there
otherwise you need blocks
queen delta
Oh boy that looks scary to code
hollow idol
only thing i can think of is an item you craft post ml with vanilla materials that gives you a decent amount of blocks for each biome
young fog
it is possible
wasnt there a calamity biome spawner ages ago that spawned in calamity biome?
zealous ridge
I can barely remember that wow
swift bison
What is the calamity biome, is that just another name for the brimstone crag?
young fog
it was
zealous ridge
Yeah old name
young fog
but then it got changed to crag
proven tide
@ashen warren i summon thee
soul of cryogen rework:
rename from soul — as the ice castle doesn't have a soul, it's described as mindless and the only living aspect was permafrost himself
resprite the wings to be a cryogen shield that glows when you fly (might need to resprite the siren shield to avoid confusion) or some aura or similar rather than inexplicable floaty ice bits
adjust the stat buffs to have it buff permafrost & cryogen's weapons; alternately, give this effect to the lore item, and give the wings the lore item's dash perhaps with a greater defense nerf if it ends up being too powerful — this actually gives reason to use the soul over the starlight wings + buff potions
alright people, give us feedback on Ideas™
ashen warren
while I lurcc 
worthy fiber
I don't like your pfps
proven tide
good
ashen warren
that's the point tbh
proven tide
although hornetsundere is cute
@hollow shell i invoke the power of thine big brain iq to increase the likelihood of 🏁
what thoughts
proven tide
oh
lel aight let's keep it that way
we need a quote if you sell it to him
/drop it in front of him
hollow shell
Sounds difficult to program
proven tide
yeahhh
ashen warren
Bin it in front of him 
proven tide
drop it in front of him and he grabs it
civic pond
i tried selling his soul back to him
proven tide
can we please make posting here before in suggestions mandatory 
not that this suggestion is even bad
brittle merlin
Isn’t there the solar flare?
ashen warren
That's post-provi
brittle merlin
Ah
terse sundial
@hallow kraken The Terrarian is already good for the Profaned Guardians and Bumblebirb, buffing it sadly would make it broken for those two bosses.
ashen warren
A bumblebirb themed yoyo then?
hollow shell
Well that is why he's suggesting adding a new one
terse sundial
I was mainly refering to the strikethrough statement there.
hollow shell
m
hollow shell
You mention it turning into a shield and later mention a defense nerf
but you don't describe what the shield does, or could do, and Soul of Cryogen doesn't have defense
ashen warren
The "shield" is the cryogen shield that spins.
hollow shell
aight
What was that about defense?
plucky prairie
wouldnt having the dash effect be an accessory instead of a lore item reduce the benefit of using it over other dash items, making the defense reduction not really needed?
plus having it as one of those shields that cryogen has and making it reduce defense not make much sense logically?
frail mantle
isn't Summoner pretty strong from the defeat of Skelebitch to the beginning of Hardmode
frail mantle
that is true
but i don't think Summoner needs that much new gear specifically between Skeletron's defeat and Woffle's defeat
placid moth
Herring Staff for me, is very visually unappealing.
zenith hazel
a sentry to kill skele would really help summoners tbh
queen delta
Unless you make it as disappointing as queen spider staff 
viscid tiger
Use old one's army
worthy fiber
Explosive Trap sentry kinda helps a bit
Skeletron's already a pushover with the Dank Staff
arctic wren
herrings are good enough for wof imo
imo it's early to mid hardmode and against duke/yharon and to a degree ML where summoner struggles the most
worthy fiber
Hive Pod memes
worthy fiber
You have to use the OOA accessories with it
arctic wren
also I'd like summoner to have a decent non-sentry option for duke lol
frail mantle
Calamity sentries with OOA gear shreds basically everything
arctic wren
idk I guess that is just me never really using sentries much then
arctic wren
I just prefer regular summons, more fun to have the little rascals flying around with you
frail mantle
sentries in general are kinda ech vs ML because they're stationary and the general ML strat is constantly running
arctic wren
^
but summoners are kinda ech vs ml for that reason in general
both stardust dragon and sandsharks have a lot of trouble actually hitting ml in my experience given you need to constantly run away
frail mantle
at least Dragon does pretty well when it actually manages to hit ML
arctic wren
when it actually manages to hit ML
That's the issue 
but yeah the damage is quite respectable
queen delta
The only good sentries are cryogenic staff, 
, and spikecrag staff
frail mantle
what about Energy Staff
placid moth
Staff of the Frost Hydra ?
arctic wren
the thing is that summoner is pretty decent for most post-ml bosses anyway
queen delta
Damage is too lackluster for it to be any useful
worthy fiber
Frost Hydra's the only dungeon chest weapon without an upgrade 
arctic wren
and for the one boss that summoner does struggle a ton against, yharon
sentries wouldn't help because you move too much
queen delta
Also the most useless dungeon chest weapon 
worthy fiber
In Calamity anyway 
arctic wren
frankly the main thing summoner needs in terms of post-ml content
is a post-dog summon that isn't the galaxybrain ai mechworm
crystal osprey
I'm gonna have a patron item made
arctic wren
something that can actually kinda keep up with subphase 4 yharon
that also doesn't do like no damage to it
frail mantle
a new summon option for Yharone would be nice
worthy fiber
Sounds like a slow summon tbh 🤔
crystal osprey
With (hopefully) functional anti summon roaming measures
arctic wren
imagine a post-dog elemental axe upgrade
much higher damage but same general AI
crystal osprey
Boring
arctic wren
given axes are by far the best summon in the game at actually hitting things
crystal osprey
Lmaoo
arctic wren
I think it'd work
worthy fiber
Yeah but they're boring 
crystal osprey
It would work but iss boring
worthy fiber
Just default dash-attack
frail mantle
i'd accept boring weapons if they're good tbh
arctic wren
^
crystal osprey
Weapons should be fun AND viable
worthy fiber
^
frail mantle
i mean, Ranged is mainly just many boolet and aro hahayes and a lot of Ranged weapons are good
crystal osprey
My slime god staff would summon one god, and two smaller slimes each summon
arctic wren
well the only other thing I could see actually hitting subphase 4 yharon would be something that fires homing projectiles like a baby version of the immaterializer
crystal osprey
The slimes would work mostly like the slimes staff summons
arctic wren
it needs to be fast in order to keep up
crystal osprey
The god however, seeks enemies similarly to the axd
Axe*
But when the god hits an enemy, the other two slimes seek to that enemy
worthy fiber
Make it a sentry weapon 
arctic wren
🤔
crystal osprey
And lock on for a period of time
worthy fiber
Hive pod but slimes
crystal osprey
The slimes also shoot tiny abyssmal orbs
arctic wren
also not saying the idea I gave is the O N L Y I D E A ever that would work
It was just the first thing that came to mind as something that would work to me
hell an upgrade to stardust cells with much better AI, range, damage, and homing shots for instance could also work
crystal osprey
But yeah I think that is about as good of an anti yharon summon I can think of
arctic wren
Just ... anything other than the mechworm lol
crystal osprey
Ikr
arctic wren
but ultimately I think it's gonna rely on someone having a donor item specifically for that point in the game
which means it could be practically anything lol
worthy fiber
Just don't expect it to come out fast
arctic wren
yep
half basalt
@regal jetty the pet already exists
neon birch
whats Medium Rare Steak
worthy fiber
Thorium thing
radiant meadow
@raven tulip you might want to clarify the steak is a thorium mount
plucky matrix
ehhhh that's just... it's a time save of like 3-4 seconds, and you don't activate/deactive it that often
brittle merlin
Also not many people play dad mode
quiet abyss
^ and ^^
This seems totally unnecessary and just sounds lazy.
You're going to need more of a reason than "it's more convenient than to activate them one by one" because that's a pretty weak reason.
quiet abyss
Already been stated: It's unnecessary.
brittle merlin
We gave 3 logical reasons as to why it isn’t needed
quiet abyss
You can literally activate all the modes you've listed in your suggestions one by one and it'd still take less than 10 seconds.
If it takes something like, a minute or so to activate all 3 modes you've listed then your suggestion would be more valid.
But currently it's just unnecessary.
brittle merlin
It would be longer to make the item than it would to activate all of them
void kelp
could this be considered a specific item suggestion
hollow shell
I guess?
I think its purpose is the greater issue
in that it'll only save a very niche crowd a very short amount of time
void kelp
Oh definitely. It seems unnecessary
brittle merlin
How many people actually play dad mode
plucky matrix
like 6
zenith hazel
meanwhile RAD 
ashen warren
you mean lame iirc 
I'd be more inclined to upvote if it was say, to repurpose to mode changers into a gui where you pick and choose from what you want to activate/deactivate freely, because of convenience and saving an inv slot tbh
plucky matrix
okay that's a really good one iirc
winged ice
What if it was something like the menu of the grand design where you can toggle them by opening up one item, and then selecting the circles? Is that a reasonable thing that could be coded?
plucky matrix
pretty sure that's what Amber meant
bitter topaz
guidelines exist, yes
and they can be found in the pins
ashen warren
Forgot what I was going to suggest
void kelp
@regal jetty isn’t the special item the adult eidolon wyrm drops the Halibut Cannon, at a 100% drop chance?
young fog
yes it is
regal jetty
to clarify this is something that drops ONLY from the worm
radiant meadow
There's no point
distant gyro
@ashen warren Drew's Wings is post-yharon... if that counts
wait no it totally counts since you included celestial tracers, which is also rev+
faint needle
Isnt horizontal speed realllllllly important for scal?
distant gyro
I'd rather not slam myself into a projectile with all that horizontal speed
which is why I prefer drew's for scal
ashen warren
Still we have like 30 wings hardmode
And 2 wings at endgame
I think there should be more we can use
ashen warren
We got only two i feel like there should be more
distant gyro
have you seen anyone unironically used elysian wings apart from if they have wingslot?
more doesn't always mean better
ashen warren
Still think about the fact that there will be draedon or yharim and many other bosses in the future
Wont we need alternate wings with special effects to deal with the new mechanics?
faint needle
We dont suggest things for the future
queen sail
We don’t even know how Draedon and Yharim will work
faint needle
^
near moat
30 Wings in HM argument is pretty weak thou
22 Wings are made obsolete as soon as you can buy Leaf Wings from Witch Doctor, 23 if you go straight for Frozen Wings
faint needle
Oh
near moat
They are technically post ML
faint needle
i didnt know they require luminite
near moat
Do your homework
faint needle
I actually dont give a shit about post ml vanilla wings as the only mod i finished/got to post ml was calamity
frail mantle
Luminite Wings aren't really shite
if you'd rather want flight time than running speed they can be more preferable than Tracers
faint needle
But free acc slot
frail mantle
true
crystal osprey
Me and everyone I know choose tracers every time
novel pebble
Who the fuck doesn't use tracers
void kelp
suggestion:
Increase the rage gained by true melee strikes proportional to the base damage of the weapon.
This would allow for true melee as a subclass to be more effective post-ML and allow for a way for rage to be a more reliable ripper— although weaker— than adrenaline, compensating for damage taken at close range.
civic pond
cosmic discharge moment
ashen warren
@ashen warren could you be any more unclear?
opal barn
@ashen warren stop doing low quality suggestions like this.
bitter topaz
are you fishing for a mute or something?
be concise with your suggestions or don't suggest anything at all.
and don't be rude, either.
hollow shell
A bit
plucky matrix
frail mantle
wouldn't that count as a Specific Item Suggestion
hollow shell
If he just gets rid of the name that'll be fine
ashen warren
No?
bitter topaz
wh
what would the point of this even be?
hollow shell
It'd be good if the potion had some usage other than a direct downside
ashen warren
idk
dusty stirrup
No point
plucky matrix
you don't even know yourself, so why suggest it?
ashen warren
It's just useful a bit
dusty stirrup
There was a small discussion about it in calamity mod talk
ashen warren
-_-
dusty stirrup
I'm a mod so it's kinda my job yes
dusty stirrup
Just gonna say that the next offense you do will result in a ban, chida, so you better behave
hollow shell
Yeah but it could be real cheap
Useful for gettin around the world, hard to use during boss fights but not unusable
iunno
might be cool
Might also be too specific to suggest
warm tinsel
Guys
In defense of chida
The only way to spawn PreHM AEW is a Crimson-Sulph sea
And yeeting yourself in the abyss instantly
So yeah, a chaos state would be useful
ashen warren
but why would you even want AEW prehm
brittle merlin
But why
sinful violet
^^^^^
warm tinsel
To fight it to the death? Yo, people look for the craziest challenges in Calamity lol
dusty stirrup
Then use cheat sheet
ashen warren
then just do it hm with preh gear
warm tinsel
No! I wanna do that legit
dusty stirrup
Don't need to add a super niche item 99.5% people won't use
queen sail
AEW is hard as shit to kill even far into post ml
dusty stirrup
Sad
warm tinsel
Actually it would be useful-
dusty stirrup
It wouldn't
brittle merlin
Not really
warm tinsel
Teleporting around in pre hm
ashen warren
AEW prehm sounds like a nightmare
warm tinsel
Since well
queen sail
Doing it prehardmode is like using a water gun to put out the sun
faint needle
with enough mobility aew can be killed hm
warm tinsel
I meant another thing
ashen warren
How would you get enough mobility prehm
dusty stirrup
but he didn't include teleporting in the suggestion
warm tinsel
it's a chaos state potion
sinful violet
Yep
dusty stirrup
That doesn't mean it lets you teleport
tired haven
To be very honest, if someone does have a strategy against AEW prehardmode, it will involve far more than putting 250 crimtane blocks near abyss to proc the lore teleport
terse sundial
but it doesn't teleport you
sinful violet
It's a chaos state potion
warm tinsel
With that debuff you can literally go anywhere
sinful violet
That's literally i-
brittle merlin
No
terse sundial
dusty stirrup
BRuh?
hollow shell
Chaos State =/= Teleportation
sinful violet
:bruh:
brittle merlin
It’s a Debuff to prevent you from abusing rod
terse sundial
Chaos state isn't what allows you to teleport
warm tinsel
I'm confused
queen sail
Chaos State means “Teleport again and you take damage”
ashen warren
hollow shell
RoD inflicts Chaos State and also teleports you
dusty stirrup
And you're also confusing us
warm tinsel
Oh fuc-
terse sundial
Chaos State is a penalty debuff
ashen warren
also why would a debuff potion ever be a good idea
queen sail
That’s like there being a potion whose sole purpose is to debuff you with poison
ashen warren
His sole reason was for “summoning AEW prehm”
faint needle
Still, why would it be added?
dusty stirrup
They can use cheatsheet
queen sail
Levi himself said Leviathan prehm is impossible due to lack of mobility
warm tinsel
DAD mode item is a whole nother level
ashen warren
Levi prehm is possible
faint needle
you mean aew
sinful violet
it is but nurse cheese memes and other bs
anyhow
the suggestion is widely pointless
queen sail
Nurse cheese
warm tinsel
I need that to look like, a big ass skull with a worm coming out
sinful violet
the attempts needed with a craftable potion for "chaos state" would take so much more effort and annoyance than legitimately just creating a crimson in the abyss
just
why
faint needle
Or just, near the abyss
hollow shell
And the world will always have Crimson blocks in it
cuz if it's not the world's evil there's still the island
ashen warren
^
warm tinsel
Even though it would need a new message like:
"You really like to torture yourself eh?"
"Oh, you retired, come back next time."
queen sail
Even then you’re not gonna kill that thing anyways
brittle merlin
Why are you still making stuff for it
queen sail
It oneshots you in comparison to prehm levi
sinful violet
ferox what're you talking about anymore
warm tinsel
I said Dad mode is on another level
And began talking about that
The item to activate it would be neat
queen sail
DAD mode is also optional
brittle merlin
It’s not useful
dusty stirrup
wheese
brittle merlin
Like we said earlier there are a few reasons why it’s not that great of a suggestion
ashen warren
Just because something could be made easier doesn't instantly make it a good QoL suggestion.
queen delta
early hardmode tier
ashen warren
@warm dock if you want to edit/tweak your suggestion, do it on this channel, we can help you
hollow shell
Pardon?
ashen warren
That's cool I guess, but I don't see how it relates to calamity
radiant meadow
@ashen warren there is no point to your suggestion
You'll need a better reason for why than the ability to summon what is not meant to be fought.
ashen warren
termi we already handled that
radiant meadow
Then why is his suggestion still there?
ashen warren
good question
radiant meadow
and unedited