suggestions-discussion

[zealous ridge]

its usually better to post your suggestions in here first, in any case. gives some people time to respond and give feedback

would suggesting that an RIV be added be considered an item suggestion if it gets too specific?

[lost agate]

And yeah this is just getting too much into the "specific item" territory

[queen delta]

Also, you know something’s too chaotic when even terry thinks its chaotic

[lost agate]

And yeah, Destroyer turning into EoW is a big no no

EoW is buggy enough as is

[zealous ridge]

eow on bossrush

[crystal osprey]

Broh

Suggestion: remove eow

[lost agate]

murasama
Double dmg
You do know the dmg of that thing gets absurd already right?

And you would still need to hit with the blade itself so theres not much point other than adding to the already high damage

Also your suggestion is ridden by assumptions wait for the update smh

[sand umbra]

casual 2mil DPS with rippers on a pre-SCal wep hahayes

That said I do like the idea of the Murasama having an on-hit effect.

[lost agate]

I mean, if thats on hit, and its double dmg
Taking into account how often murasama hits.....

[faint needle]

On a pre boss weapon hahayes

Technically

[zealous ridge]

if red lightning arched off of the blade to attack nearby enemies, that would be cool, but i dont think it needs to be double dmg

[lost agate]

Why red lightning tho?

[arctic notch]

I said around double, meaning it can be lower, maybe 1.2.

[zealous ridge]

eh idk fits with the blades color

[arctic notch]

Have you played Metal Gear Rising?

[sand umbra]

tbf, I feel like it'd be better as an "on-hit every [xyz time]" thing.

[zealous ridge]

no so im not aware of its effects

[arctic notch]

It crackles with it.

[lost agate]

I have yes

[sand umbra]

That way an on-hit effect with the Murasama doesn't immediately become OP as shit.

[arctic notch]

And it has a limited Durability Negation effect.

In game.

[smoky wagon]

the problem with murasama isnt really the damage output or even the range

its the placement of it

true melee Scal is impossible

[arctic notch]

I was thinking it should be earlier.

Possibly.

[faint needle]

No

[arctic notch]

A true melee weapon with a range of 500 blocks

[civic pond]

flails exist.

also murasama doesn't really need any changes i dont think

[sand umbra]

flails exist.

Dragon Pow isn't true melee, iirc--

[arctic notch]

Seriously? It's got Arkhalis range almost.

[smoky wagon]

murasama’s placement hinders it

[civic pond]

bold of you to assume i was talking about DP

[arctic notch]

^

[smoky wagon]

if it was post p1 yharon it might be better off

[civic pond]

cosmic discharge exists

[arctic notch]

Post-DoG.

[smoky wagon]

so you could try to do some meme with it for p2 yharon

[arctic notch]

Jk.

[lost agate]

Draedon is coming soooo

[smoky wagon]

true

[sand umbra]

Bold of you to assume CD would work so well with how far SCal stays away from you for most of the fight hueh--

[smoky wagon]

maybe exo-mechs hate true melee

[civic pond]

:fear:

[arctic notch]

CD?

[sand umbra]

Cosmic Discharge.

[arctic notch]

Ah.

True Melee is garbo anyway.

[smoky wagon]

true melee honestly is fine as a subclass

It relies on facetanking but the dmg output when used with rippers can make up for it

[civic pond]

Not recommended for nohits

[smoky wagon]

true melee is the opposite of no-hitting

[arctic notch]

Why make suggestions when 1.4 is getting close?

[civic pond]

w

[sand umbra]

It relies on facetanking

[smoky wagon]

1.4 development and calamity development are seperate for now

[sand umbra]

So it relies on being pre-ML.

[civic pond]

flails remove that

[smoky wagon]

you can use true melee post-ml

tarragon armor set bonus vs sentinels and polter

and ram banshee hook up DoG’s butt

[sand umbra]

Banshee Hook isn't true melee wut--

[arctic notch]

Valedick DoG~

[smoky wagon]

banshee hook has a true melee effect

alot of weapons that aren’t technically “true melee” have a very powerful on-hit effect that shouldn’t be slept on

[civic pond]

thats true

i didn't rely on banshee hooks projectiles for the devourer fight

[sand umbra]

I mean, either way, true melee post-ML as an actual subclass of melee is...

...less than desirable given the design of the bosses you're up against.

[civic pond]

boss prior to ML are much more reasonable in terms of movement

[sand umbra]

Provi's got anti-heal flames which spawn at the center of her hitbox, all 3 Sentinels counter true melee to varying extents, DoG...probably works out well actually, Yharon is Yharon, and SCal is consistently too far away for virtually anything to work for most of the fight.

[smoky wagon]

true melee post-ml is only good for sentinels and polter

how on earth do the sentinels “counter” true melee

[civic pond]

no its decent for devourer too.

[sand umbra]

CV.

[civic pond]

yeah dunno about CV

[smoky wagon]

maybe CV but i was thinking of the other two more

[sand umbra]

Storm Weaver refusing to charge at you for phase 1 unless you basically ask it to hit you regardless and are okay with chasing its tail.

[civic pond]

true melee against SW is fine

[sand umbra]

CV committing the big succ and flinging you around the Dungeon at the speed of light.

[smoky wagon]

Outrunning p1 storm weaver is really easy

[sand umbra]

Signus...actually, Signus might be fine. .3o

[smoky wagon]

just dont get zapped

[civic pond]

aint signus affected by knockback?

[smoky wagon]

in the melee phase it is when at higher hp

[sand umbra]

Oh yeah Signus shoots projectiles at you I guess.

[civic pond]

eh

[ashen warren]

who is this glitch out man and why is he suggesting a specific item

[civic pond]

[sand umbra]

Which have every ability to hit you if you're anywhere near Signus when he starts 'em up.

[smoky wagon]

projectiles doesn’t invalidate true melee

like i said you should only use it with adrenaline

[sand umbra]

Kinda like current Mirror Blade--

[smoky wagon]

while you build adrenaline obviously you can use a normal melee

mirror blade might as well be true melee because the shards are kinda weak

[sand umbra]

That and it has one of the most unique on-hit effects ever, imo.

[civic pond]

isn't normal melee supposed to be true melee

[sand umbra]

No it's supposed to be projectiles.

Nothing but projectiles.

[civic pond]

dumb question

[smoky wagon]

melee is whatever you want it to be

[sand umbra]

More projectiles, more ass-kicking, more--
/Mage, Ranger, and Rogue show up
NO GET OUTTA HERE I'M NOT TALKIN' ABOUT YOU--

[smoky wagon]

if you want to restrict yourself to using yoyos go ahead

[civic pond]

I just dont understand why mirror blade is melee period

[smoky wagon]

if you want to only use true melee go ahead

[sand umbra]

iirc, Mirror Blade's getting a rework next update?

[smoky wagon]

i dont understand why mirror blade should be changed

[civic pond]

i mean i think its fine the way it is.

[smoky wagon]

rework is fine but why would it be made into a new dmg type

[civic pond]

I just found it to be a very odd weapon

[smoky wagon]

its kind of like exoblade but the projectiles aren’t actually good

[civic pond]

eh..?

[sand umbra]

Yet it just bullies anything with remotely high contact damage if you use the true melee effect.

[civic pond]

doesn't it have contact damage added to its base damage or something?

[smoky wagon]

exoblade is good because of the fast swing speed in conjunction with a projectile each swing

[civic pond]

thats what it was

[smoky wagon]

so it melts at close range

[civic pond]

thats what true melee does.

[smoky wagon]

mirror blade is the same but the projectiles are too weak to be that useful

Exoblade without projectiles would be alot weaker

[civic pond]

well yeah

[smoky wagon]

even at true melee range

[polar grove]

interesting suggestion

[karmic stone]

One thing im worried about is if it's possible to code it for every armor to have different colours, though

[arctic notch]

Maybe have it as a dye?

It would simplify the coding required for the armor sets quite a bit.

[viscid smelt]

so I havent' been keeping up with suggestions, is there any suggestion or any plans to make rogue damage act like melee speed for rogue weapons that have melee variants?
Like Paladin's Hammer will scale with melee speed, but when used with rogue it's significantly more difficult to use because it d oesnt have that melee speed increase as a rogue variant (as far as I can tell??)

is that even a possibility??

or maybe you could just slap melee speed onto rogue armor or something hmm

[civic pond]

I dont think so, but the rogue expansion is coming soon

major update for that class

[viscid smelt]

expansion? So should I not be making that suggestion then

[civic pond]

yeah i'd refrain from rogue suggestions for now

[ashen warren]

go ahead, it might not be planned

[lost agate]

iirc some rogue variants are stronger than the melee variants so idk about that chief

[civic pond]

[ashen warren]

just remember item suggestions are

[viscid smelt]

Well, I wouldn't doubt that there's some compensation but like

idk true paladins hammer had good dps when I used it on my rogue playthrough but like

it was god awful for bosses because of the range

[civic pond]

depends on the boss

[viscid smelt]

it was so difficult to pull off properly because the range is so short on rogue

I would rather them have an increase of speed in some way than the extra dps

especially for true paladins hammer. There's not really any other weapon varieties that have range, as the chaotic bar weapon doesnt have good dps against most enemies from my experience, and the other weapons of that tier are like brackish flask and sandstorm in a bottle, which are good butt have bad range

So I'd like to still make the suggestion, I was just wondering if it would even be worth suggesting if rogue is getting any sort of mechanical overhauls or anything?? @lost agate

or can you not reveal any of that info lmao

[lost agate]

All i can say is, theres new mechanics coming on rogue update, as to be expected so not too sure if its worth suggesting, but sure go ahead

[viscid smelt]

okay well I guess it can't do any harm to make the suggestion to see how many people would agree with it

[smoky wagon]

Why increase the range when flame scythe exists

Paladin’s hammer is meant to be a short range weapon

[tired haven]

Because there are no long ranged weapons and scythe is still too close-combat

well there is malachite alt fire but lole

[smoky wagon]

flame scythe isn’t close combat at all

for the tier’s bosses

you never have to go out of your way to be in range

[tired haven]

Fishron flies in anything, I agree
PBG also doesn't fly too much away
Staying that close to rav is a bit lol though

[smoky wagon]

i dont think its that much of an issue

If it is you can just use plaguenades

[tired haven]

I do think the absolute lack of long-range weapons is an issue because it negates variety
Why get all the weapons on a tier when 1 does essentially the same thing as others

Only for collection? Eeeh

[smoky wagon]

well isn’t rogue getting expanded

[tired haven]

Yes

[smoky wagon]

And melee doesn’t have the same issue

[tired haven]

That's why I hold on my own suggestion about velocity raising accessory

No real point to post it since devs probably planned everything ahead

[west prairie]

I would suggest that fishron get some sort of rogue content but his drop pool is huge enough already

[radiant meadow]

TPH shines against deus

It's not that good for fishron and pbg compared to scythe

[raven sierra]

hey, does anyone know when "Interstellar Stomper" will be implemented for Aureus?

The new song Dok made?

[radiant meadow]

Not any time soon

We are aware it exists

[raven sierra]

wait, you are devs?

Neat!

[young fog]

also it would have been better to ask in #calamity-mod-talk if you weren't gonna make a suggestion about it

[radiant meadow]

But it isn't getting implemented for the time being due to music file size restraints

[raven sierra]

oh

wait can't the file for "Cosmic Disgust" be swapped out or is it a bit more complex than that?

[radiant meadow]

There's also the other 2 astral themes

[raven sierra]

oh yeah

[radiant meadow]

And uploading it in the first place can be a hassel

[raven sierra]

Geez, I feel honored to be talking to a dev right now!

[viscid smelt]

flame scythe has piss poor dps @smoky wagon

it got like 800 ~ 1300 dps when I used it

tph got like 3000 ~ 4000

the range flame scythe has doesnt justify giving up the dps that duststorm bottle or tph have

it's just that if you dont use it and you use the others then you're gimped against aureus and ravager because the range is so low

[radiant meadow]

Flame scythe and tph aren't good for ravager

Better off using other rogue weapons

[viscid smelt]

Yeah, I haven't fought ravager yet, I got tph right away and used it mostly for aureus, pbg, and levi

it did okay against the siren but everything else it just ended up making me take a ton of damage and lose out on a lot of damage when I distance myself

I like the weapon a lot but idk I'm better off just entirely dropping my rogue stuff for melee for this tier because tph range is just that low

[civic pond]

TPH is decent for ravager

but getting that close is really uh

risky

[viscid smelt]

yeahp

that's why I ask for the suggestion

[radiant meadow]

It's like god for deus though

[civic pond]

i mean you cant really achieve high damage without high risk

thats the tradeoff

also yes its extremely powerful for deus

[viscid smelt]

okay well then anyone who does death mode that's not gotten the hollow rank shouldnt use tph because it's not worth the risk whatsoever :l

on rogue*

melee I imagine it's great

[radiant meadow]

That's why there's other options

[viscid smelt]

but I'm sorry I jsut can't justify tph being good against anything other than deus

what other option should I be using

because I dont know what else to use

rogue doesnt have enough variety yet

look forward to the rogue improvements in the future

[radiant meadow]

Heavenfallen Stardisk is always good

Or stellar knife

[viscid smelt]

dont you need ancient manipulator for that

we havent even beaten cultist yet lol

[tired haven]

Mmm both should be post aureus

[viscid smelt]

the options to me seem like sandstorm bottle and tph, and sandstorm bottle has lackluster dps against bosses past plant, and tph range is an issue for me

which is again why I ask for the tph change. It doesnt have to be a buff necessarily, because if it had more range and less damage ten I think it'd still be pretty good

because rn it has like 2.5x the damage sandstorm bottle does lmao

[tired haven]

time for you to farm malashite ig

[radiant meadow]

You don't need an ancient manipulator

[zenith hazel]

TPH is amazing against deus though, especially if you have just the right movement

[viscid smelt]

we've only killed PBG once, so that's going to be a rough time, but I mean you're not wrong

[zenith hazel]

flying up and dropping down while the worms are trying to catch up with you is a great way to use TPH since most of the worms would be aligned

[viscid smelt]

oh you dont need it for heavenfallen stardisk

I didnt notice that mb

I'll ahve to give that a try I guess??? The gimmick with it makes it seem kind of niche in usage to me but I can't rule it out without trying it

[radiant meadow]

Nor do you need it for stellar knife

Dps is good tho

[viscid smelt]

you need it for the prismaline upgrade right

okay well I guess I'll give those a try and see if they work. THat being said, these are options, and dont really remedy that I think tph is lackluster in its entirety. It'd be nice if weapons didnt fit one tiny niche, but with enough variety that's not a huge issue

[zenith hazel]

again, TPH's downside is its short range but you can use that to your advantage

[radiant meadow]

Rogue update is pretty close around the corner

[zenith hazel]

if you position yourself well enough, TPH can get great dps against deus

[viscid smelt]

again that's a single niche

I havent gotten to deus yet either

we havent even killed cultist

[zenith hazel]

[radiant meadow]

Have you used melee tph?

[viscid smelt]

No, I haven't, I'm playing a rogue playthrough. The suggestion was specified for Rogue TPH for a reason lmao. I imagine the issue I have with it isn't present if you have melee speed from melee

[void kelp]

what if you just made it scale w throwing velocity of it already isn’t?

*if

[radiant meadow]

Seems weird for you to exclude it

[viscid smelt]

again if melee speed is taken into its account then the range is likely far less of an issue

rogue has no melee speed on any of its armor though

[radiant meadow]

You seem to overestimate how much melee speed affects it imo
But I cannot blame you as you have not used it although assuming its fine feels off
It'd be weird to only buff 1 variant

[viscid smelt]

I dont even want a buff lmao, I'd rather it be changed

a damage nerf for a range increase to some degree

[radiant meadow]

And for the record, both variants suck for fishron over flame scythe

[viscid smelt]

I dont think just buffing its range would be fair, it'd be WAY WAY beter than EVERYTHING before it if it had no issue with range at all

[radiant meadow]

You want to buff its range and nerf the damage
Still half buff

[viscid smelt]

I just didnt specify because the length of whatever would be drawn back to keep it in check depends on how much the range is modified

[radiant meadow]

Could make it as long as stellar contempt/galaxy smasher

[hollow turret]

True paladins?

[radiant meadow]

Still kinda short, but longer than current

[left crest]

True paladins is good vs ML tho

The hands and core are the perfect distance away

[viscid smelt]

are you talking about rogue true hamnmer

or melee

also I cant find the astral chest in my dungeon? the dungeon was half cut by the abyss so it might not have generated

[left crest]

rogue

then again I was using nurse cheese and chose true hammer because it passed through walls

[worthy fiber]

@potent coyote Calamity Mod Extra Music

#other-discords

[potent coyote]

oh thank you

[faint needle]

if the last sugg would go into application then no giant clam finder

[zenith hazel]

this is essentially a boss suggestion

[ruby cobalt]

this is god

[plucky matrix]

very god

[placid moth]

Earlier stage than pre-hardmode ?

[plucky matrix]

pre-pre-hardmode

[placid moth]

did you mean : the age where all the light and dark gods still existed

[plucky matrix]

xeroc pre-ks boss :pepega:

[placid moth]

[zenith hazel]

@ Dom

[young fog]

:pepega:

[bitter topaz]

@atomic bolt said lore is getting scrapped and replaced

[plucky matrix]

pensive

[young fog]

😔

[atomic bolt]

Alright, said suggestion is removed

[quiet abyss]

What would be the point of that?
Just pressing the hotkey to turn the hp bar off is far more convenient than having to turn it off through configs.

[opal barn]

@old sage ^

[old sage]

Ok

[old sage]

I meant for it to be alongside the hot key, because I always have to disable it every time I get in. I meant for it to be a config to make it off by default.

[hollow shell]

I've said it before but I do think that it would be much more fitting as a config than a hotkey
I don't think anybody will choose to turn the healthbar on or off mid-game

Pretty sure it's only a hotkey because that feature was added before we had a config

Also I'm late but @mossy light could you add a reason to that

@formal flax and @old sage too
just for completion's sake

add reasons to your suggestions

[opal barn]

@stark tangle don't suggest things for future bosses

[stark tangle]

sorry

[opal barn]

it's fine

i'll just yeet it if you don't mind

[stark tangle]

ok

I just joined (since i didn't know calamity mod had a discord server) and i am not too familiar with the rules.

[opal barn]

It's alright, the main things you should follow is obviously in the #rules channel and there are some additional things in the pins of this and #suggestions-voting channel

[distant gyro]

done

[stark tangle]

Ok, thanks.

[lament sand]

Just wanted to get some thoughts on this suggestion

Make Ravager drop down on when on platforms

Right now it is really easy to just cheese Ravaged by spawning him on top of a platform to make it that the rock pillars get destroyed upon touching the ground and you overall have less to worry about dodging.
By making him drop through platforms ravager will always be below you removing this cheese strat.

[terse sundial]

Ravager is meant to be fought on the ground, and I'm pretty sure this has been suggested before

[ashen warren]

ravager enrages when you're below him with more frequent jumping/attacks

[lost agate]

Wasnt it when youre below him?

[hollow saffron]

smh just make it so you cant go above ravager

also shouldnt ravager's enrage thing be the same as with crawltipedes

[ashen warren]

ye i meant to say below, rip brain

[smoky wagon]

ravager already reduces wing flight time

it doesnt need to enrage when you are above it

[radiant meadow]

Making ravager drop platforms limits playstyle imo
Forces you to fight him above

[lament sand]

Fighting below him even when enraged imo is just too much easier that either some other change should be done or be forced to fight above him

[smoky wagon]

How is lead core difficult to obtain

[signal prairie]

^

[smoky wagon]

Just use zerg during rain in sulphur sea and i get about 5 in 30 seconds

[signal prairie]

I get like 3 in 10 seconds

[zealous ridge]

without anything to tip you off to where the item drops (besides the tooltip, which is a big hint on its own) then it drops in a pretty specific situation, but it is still pretty easy to obtain i agree. i got mine by just passing by on my way to the abyss and having an irradiated slime drop it for me, so i cant say i had to impart too much effort to obtain it.

[swift bison]

@lucid bane can't you just use defiled mode to obtain the lead core?

[faint needle]

It still is a hassle to get regardless, but thanks for the tip

[lucid bane]

Thank you.

[swift bison]

welcome

it's also a good way to obtain the rod of discord

[worthy fiber]

Lead Core isn't affected by Defiled Rune

smh

[zenith hazel]

it’s not even that hard to farm lead core

go to sulphurous sea, chug a zerg, kill every slime in your sight and you should have a lead core in like a minute

[swift bison]

since when is lead core not affected by defiled?

[worthy fiber]

Forever

It's even a 10% drop

Only certain items with a drop rate below 5% are affected

[swift bison]

i thought it was 1% wut?

[worthy fiber]

no.

[swift bison]

huh

[worthy fiber]

Well, maybe it was changed

Nah, used to be 5%

[empty geyser]

Don't make silva easier

There's a reason for its rarity

[left crest]

Lead core is easy

Literally use torrential tear and zerg, and go to the sulphur sea

[jovial spire]

and chaos candle

[unique vector]

@orchid cobalt our stance on making rogue compatible with thrower in thorium rn is more on the no side atm

[orchid cobalt]

understandable

[proven tide]

☑?

[queen delta]

astral furniture

[sand umbra]

Astral furniture

[open sphinx]

Astral furniture

[ashen warren]

Astral furniture

[balmy coyote]

Astral furniture

[young fog]

astral furniture

[smoky wagon]

fastral unrniture

[worthy fiber]

mmhm

[eager palm]

can u dont

thanks guys

[ashen warren]

ok
and yeah astral furniture is heavily suggested

[hearty yew]

@unique vector @orchid cobalt what?

did fab not post that on public changelogs yet

[orchid cobalt]

post what?

[sand umbra]

...well now I gotta know what's going on.

The intrigue is too real.

[hearty yew]

oh he didn't

we ran into a severe bug with rogue while making the rogue update

the solution was, ironically, to make rogue weapons compatible with throwing gear from vanilla and other mods

[orchid cobalt]

wild

[sand umbra]

o

[hearty yew]

yep

tml 0.11 changed damage formulas

and uh

rogue items get boosted by ranged gear

try it yourself

[sand umbra]

[hearty yew]

it's fucking weird and broken

[orchid cobalt]

maybe the fact that im still on 0.10 is why they're seperate

[tired haven]

[rustic ember]

Wow

[hearty yew]

yes

[queen delta]

so rogue IS bootleg ranger

[hearty yew]

it's a 0.11 specific bug

[orchid cobalt]

just like in the pre 103 days

1.3*

[sand umbra]

just more proof that Ranger is indeed easy mode xd

[zealous ridge]

oh yeah, i remember that being reported

[tired haven]

exactly

[hearty yew]

in any case

rogue has to pretend to be SOME class in order to fix it

so we picked throwing

cause any other choice would lead to it scaling with the wrong items

🤷

[zealous ridge]

any class except ranged?

[sand umbra]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[smoky wagon]

rogue beenade meta?

this is truly epic

[sand umbra]

.

[queen delta]

hmm this makes me curious about how bard and healer class works

[hearty yew]

well, if I had set it to mage, then wearing mage armor would boost rogue damage

[sand umbra]

OSHIT

BEENADES ARE ROGUE BY TECHNICALITY NOW

[smoky wagon]

ninja armor also

[zealous ridge]

does that happen in throrium now? are bard and healer internally ranged?

[hearty yew]

Bard and healer are both magic class and they manually cut the mage damage out of them

[zealous ridge]

oooh

[sand umbra]

oh this is gonna be fun

this is gonna be so much fun

[orchid cobalt]

this is a revelation

wait

[hearty yew]

I dunno what happens in 0.11 thorium

Never played thorium

It's possible you could absolutely break radiant items w/ nebula armor

because they're "mage"

"""""mage"""""

[orchid cobalt]

bard healing through way of spectre armor

[sand umbra]

mage.

[zealous ridge]

interesting...

[smoky wagon]

the set bonuses for ninja armor and fossil armor are ridiculous

and they will apply to rogue

oh my

[sand umbra]

...

wait
does this mean the Face Melter is a Bard weapon by technicality as well then

[zealous ridge]

[smoky wagon]

fossil gives 20% throwing dmg and 15% crit

[sand umbra]

i'll consider it one either way because look me in the eye and tell me that's not a music weapon through and through--

[orchid cobalt]

magical harp

[hearty yew]

yeah we still have to nerf fossil

[zenith hazel]

fossil is a good set

[hearty yew]

ninja won't be terribly broken

it's not much better than victide rogue

and you don't get stealth on throwing armor sets so that's something to consider

[sand umbra]

Does this mean Ninja and Fossil armor will get stealth caps? 🤔

[tired haven]

If something ninja is more broken
Fossil is just +5% for stats compared to it

[hearty yew]

sniped.

[sand umbra]

fuakn

[smoky wagon]

ninja has 15% dmg and 10% crit

[hearty yew]

hm so it's like equivalent to a hardmode armor

[smoky wagon]

which early game is quite alot

[hearty yew]

it can be fixed dw

[pliant bone]

That's a big yikes

[tired haven]

Doesn't gladiator give like +25% stats too?

While also having stealth

[sand umbra]

No? o3o

[smoky wagon]

gladiator is 5% dmg and crit

[tired haven]

For some reason I remember 10% from set bonus alone

[sand umbra]

Correct.

[zealous ridge]

gladiator is 15% on wiki

[sand umbra]

It gives a total of +15% rogue damage.

[hearty yew]

wiki is not to be trusted

Sadly

[zealous ridge]

aw

[hearty yew]

unless you go to the wiki channel and ask someone to source check it

It's not guaranteed

[zealous ridge]

okay

[smoky wagon]

I didnt see the set bonus

[sand umbra]

Gladiator is also pre-boss a.k.a. earlier than Ninja, has a stealth cap, and got the drop rate of itself buffed to the fucking moon as of recent--

[zealous ridge]

obsidian can also be obtained pre boss but its more of a hassle considering you need a reaver shark

[hearty yew]

I'm honestly not concerned about the balance of rogue in early game.

Crystalline exists

so it kind of doesn't matter

also, bombs.

[sand umbra]

Seafoam Bomb exists too--

[hearty yew]

Not preboss

[sand umbra]

o ye

[hearty yew]

Also your strike through is infuriating.

[sand umbra]

Oh. Sorry.

[hearty yew]

I personally don't like it

[smoky wagon]

grenades are rogue now

[hearty yew]

Don't think I'm going to smite you though, I don't do that.

[smoky wagon]

so DS nohits will be even faster

[hearty yew]

Not true.

Rogue armors and accessories don't benefit throwing items

[smoky wagon]

oh

[hearty yew]

Throwing armors and accessories benefit rogue items. NOT the other way around.

[smoky wagon]

that makes more sense

[sand umbra]

...on the bright side.

White Dwarf rogue build, anyone?

[smoky wagon]

rogue now has four pre hardmode armors now

[pliant bone]

It just beats mage by 1 armor set

[zealous ridge]

alright quick balance change to make melee early hm a little more bearable i think

Give the Forsaken Saber's projectile piercing? the projectile is interesting but its velocity changing effect isnt too good when it immediately terminates upon contact with an enemy. giving it at least a few piercing hits would allow the Forsaken Saber to deal with crowd control and worm enemies, something that in my personal experience was hard for melee in early hardmode.

is this okay or is it wack

[tired haven]

You don't need reaver shark for obsidian btw

You can just bomb it

[zealous ridge]

do you just need bombs?

yeah okay

nice

[hearty yew]

I said this myself...

[zealous ridge]

yes you said bombs right

i think i missed it

[void kelp]

I’m looking through the suggestions from these past two weeks or so and holy cow the quality of suggestions have improved by quite a lot to the point where there’s actually suggestions being implemented

[zealous ridge]

well yeah, thats partially because a larger proportion of suggested additions are now QoL changes, which helps cut down on the weapon suggestions that probably wont be added 99 times out of 100

[void kelp]

it’s amazing ;w;

[lofty blade]

Specific weapon suggestions were banned so that's a reason as well

[lost agate]

I mean, we have suggestions that literally get implemented the moment they get to dev server

[hearty yew]

This is precisely why we did the ban

Also yes

Can confirm some suggestions get instantly implemented

Because I'm usually the guy who says "Consider it done"

[void kelp]

wait a second I was here for this why am I like, somehow so surprised at the whole development @A@

[hearty yew]

Not even that. Sometimes suggestions don't make it to the dev server

I read them here, say "that's a cool idea, delete your suggestion, it's done"

[lofty blade]

[lost agate]

Gotta go fast

[void kelp]

you mean like when you immediately went “aight I’m adding this”

[hearty yew]

yes

[void kelp]

or being like “oh that’s actually coming up ;)”

[hearty yew]

e.g. Ethereal Talisman can now have Mana flower disabled

[hallow raven]

So I couldn't really make a weapon suggestion?

[hearty yew]

By toggling visibility

Because someone had the idea and I said "um yes"

You cannot make specific item suggestions

You can however say "we need an item fitting X quality"

[hallow raven]

Example? Just so I know

[hearty yew]

For example "We need post Providence accessories because there's nothing other than badge of bravery between ML and Polterghast"

[hallow raven]

Personally I was gonna suggest a Spinfusor weapon as a reference to the Tribes 2 game if you ever heard of it

[void kelp]

specific item suggestions like that are thankfully prohibited

[hearty yew]

Or "We need better Darksun ranger options because there's only one: Onyxia"

Onyxia is extremely strong but not everyone wants to use an auto shotgun of course

[sand umbra]

Example of specific item sugg: "here is my weapon that I suggest that possesses XYZ stats and does XYZ thing"

Example of non-specific item sugg: "we need a thing here for XYZ reason" (typically due to a lack of options in whatever regard)

[void kelp]

and often specific item suggestions were like “why? because it’s cool/I want this reference/idk/I want my stuff in this mod”

[hallow raven]

Ah so Spinfusor would fall under that category

[hearty yew]

Yep.

Yep.

[void kelp]

hey, I’m glad you read the pins first

[hallow raven]

So if I said something like, "We could use another type of ammo for endgame tier that's higher than holy fire bullets" that would be non-specific right?

Just making sure I don't post anything stupid

[lost agate]

Yeah that should be good

Tho theres not much guns near endgame

[hallow raven]

Although tbh we could use better bullets

But thanks for the clarity

[sand umbra]

To be entirely frank,

[lunar geyser]

endgame ranger is like you dont have many options but the options you do have are really good

[sand umbra]

in endgame there isn't really a massive variety of options in a lot of cases.

[lost agate]

Except auric melee harhar

[lunar geyser]

every class has a staple

[sand umbra]

Melee is the exception in this scenario, not the example--

Darksun Ranger be like "Onyxia

Onyxia"

[void kelp]

I’m hype for when some patron items get put in that aren’t post-darksun

[hallow raven]

So in honesty should we get a higher tier bullet then for guns post Yharon?

[sand umbra]

I'm hype for when more patron items get put in that aren't post-ML in any capacity

[lost agate]

Theres no guns post yharon iirc

[sand umbra]

There is no exo-gun.

[hallow raven]

Oh

[sand umbra]

Just Heavenly eLag and the Don'tGetHitliornus.

[void kelp]

honestly, if there were more reason to use guns another bullet type would be fine

[hallow raven]

Maybe we need more guns post Yharon then I guess?

[lost agate]

We need a concept for guns that isnt just vomiting more bullets thats what

[sand umbra]

[void kelp]

what about a gun that shoots anime references

[lunar geyser]

exoblade and ark of elements
voltaic climax and vivid clarity
yharon baby and cosmic immaterializer
celestus and ..... the reaper??

[hallow raven]

I have a few ideas but they would be considered item specific

[smoky wagon]

a gun that shoots bullets from the four corners of the screen

[void kelp]

well, you can always discuss here!

[smoky wagon]

[lunar geyser]

is the reaper like viable for SCAL?

[lost agate]

Nope

[void kelp]

nah, you have celestus

[sand umbra]

Rogue has Worm Deleter.

And SotC/Emp Knives I guess.

[lost agate]

Worm and frames deleter

[sand umbra]

[void kelp]

conspiracy: your computer is a worm

[hallow raven]

What about a sniper rifle? Or is that item specific?

[sand umbra]

Exo-AMR.

[void kelp]

being like “add an item that does x” is specific

[hearty yew]

"auric annihilator" iirc

[sand umbra]

I'd be like
absolutely down for a further AMR upgrade.

[zealous ridge]

are we still cool to post/discuss ideas for weapons in suggestions discussion, without posting them in suggestions

[void kelp]

but being like “add an item to fill this content gap”

[hearty yew]

well skull masher exists

yes

that is allowed

[zealous ridge]

nice

[hearty yew]

as long as you don't actually suggest it

[zealous ridge]

yeah thats cool

[smoky wagon]

exo-aether’s whisper

[sand umbra]

Okay but Skullmasher is bruh to farm for

...then again, so is Void Vortex so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[void kelp]

wait but why would you discuss it

[sand umbra]

exo-aether’s whisper

[zealous ridge]

eh just to get discussion going for a weapon for a certain tier i guess

[sand umbra]

Aether's Whisper is a cool fucking weapon.

[hallow raven]

Just to get ideas going

[smoky wagon]

it would be a exo ranged gun and exo magic gun in one package

[hallow raven]

That arn really item specific

[lost agate]

Beeeeecause it can help with making a concept for weapons

[smoky wagon]

mage’s pre-scal options are limited if you dont get extremely lucky

[sand umbra]

Yeah.

[void kelp]

ohhh I see

[sand umbra]

SSV isn't exactly fantastic in some scenarios and Vivid Clarity is.

Well.

[hallow raven]

Here we try to help em out by talking about ideas

[zealous ridge]

vivid is cool though

[sand umbra]

Vivid Clarity is Vivid Clarity.

The highest IQ weapon there is.

Just ahead of the Lead Wizard.

[hallow raven]

I need to get myself a Void Dragon

Atm i dont really have any suggestions that arnt item specific

Or are meant to just fill gaps

Arnt*

[lost agate]

On a side note, apart from infinity is there a RIV that you think could use an improvement?

[sand umbra]

🤔

[smoky wagon]

Evil smasher is forgettable

I forgot what it does

[hallow raven]

What's an RIV again?

[sand umbra]

The Dune Hopper could probably stand to be an AS drop as opposed to a SotD RIV, though that's just my two cents on the matter.

[hallow raven]

I had a brainfart on it

[lost agate]

Rare item variant

[void kelp]

grand dad could be less of a meme but that’s mostly since I want more true melee options that aren’t memes

[sand umbra]

grand dad could be less of a meme

no

[void kelp]

ur valid

[sand umbra]

do not take my yeeting stick

[lost agate]

Evil smasher is basically the upgrade of the weapon its based on

[void kelp]

some late true melee RIV for like, stellar striker would be sick tho

[lost agate]

It randomly boosts your stats per swing

[hallow raven]

Honestly I think The Bee could use an improvement. Didn't do much when I was at full hp.

[smoky wagon]

but the weapon it’s based on is also meh

[hallow raven]

I remember having the actual shield in Borderlands 2

[lost agate]

Bee is powerful af on slow weapons

Well yeah the base weapon aint too special

[void kelp]

a post-provi stellar striker RIV would honestly be super freaking sick purely bc true melee options are still lackluster

[smoky wagon]

true melee is early hardmode is lol

[sand umbra]

Doesn't The Bee provide like the fattest fucking boost to slow weapons lmao--

[lost agate]

Yeah

[queen delta]

The Bee + Scarlet Devil is a deadly combo

[lunar geyser]

its a BL2 reference based on its effect changing its effect would be blasphemy

[hallow raven]

Does it?

[sand umbra]

Scarlet 🐝

[queen delta]

The Bee is a special kind of damage-giving accessory

for more info

[hallow raven]

I thought it was weak imo but maybe I'm not using the right weapon

[lunar geyser]

git gud

[hallow raven]

I used it with the minigun

[lunar geyser]

dont get hit

[zealous ridge]

quasar is weird imo, similar to how the wind blade is wacky. the suck in effect is more annoying than anything and it loses its homing capability

[sand umbra]

...I remember being annoyed by one RIV in particular.

But I cannot remember which one it was or why.

[lunar geyser]

its better against bosses who cant take knockback

[sand umbra]

[sleek wadi]

So all but one

[lunar geyser]

and its based on the effect from BL2 so again to change its effect would be dumbo

[sand umbra]

Oh yeah.

The Regenator.

[lunar geyser]

borderlands effects work better in borderlands game tbh

[sand umbra]

16 life regen isn't particularly fantastic when you lose over half of what can only be assumed to be upwards of 400 HP simply for wearing the damn thing.

[smoky wagon]

Regenator is like Blood Pact but slightly not as bad

[sand umbra]

Regenator and Blood Pact make this very strangely effective synergy.

[lunar geyser]

but you get crit

[smoky wagon]

regenator might be good if calamity bosses didn’t ignore your iframes as they please

[sand umbra]

Blood Pact counteracts Regenator's HP loss, and Regenator's massive life regen boost kinda helps with recovering from potential crits.

[smoky wagon]

its just impractical

[lunar geyser]

they dont ignore your Iframes

[sand umbra]

Also life regen is capped at 18/s in Rev+ so there's that.

[lost agate]

True

[lunar geyser]

right?

[smoky wagon]

Could regenator maybe bypass the life regen cap

[hallow raven]

I wonder would an "energy shield" mechanic ever be possible?

[smoky wagon]

or be seperate

[sand umbra]

ech

[hallow raven]

Or would that be too OP?

[sand umbra]

If it were to bypass the cap, I'd say a nerf to the actual amount would be needed.

[hallow raven]

Or just plain stupid

[lost agate]

Ok so what im getting here is
Evil smasher- original is too forgettable for the rare one to be particularly special
Regenator- too limiting generally

[sand umbra]

Mhm.

[smoky wagon]

yes

[lost agate]

Ah i see, thanks for the input

[void kelp]

dune hopper: in a super weird position that could honestly be justifiably moved to AS instead of DS

[sand umbra]

That too.

[lunar geyser]

whas AS and DS?

[sand umbra]

The Dune Hopper is honestly kinda strange where it is and everything about it just screams AS drop.

[void kelp]

yeah

AS = aquatic scourge; DS = desert scourge

[sand umbra]

AS lacks a rogue drop as well, iirc, so.

[lunar geyser]

hmm

yeah it does but its an upgraded version of the DS version

[sand umbra]

So is everything that AS drops.

All of AS' drops are straight upgrades to DS' drops.

[lunar geyser]

yeah but i guess the dune hopper made more sense for prehard mode since most times in hardmode you are flying in air and the effect doesnt come into play

[sand umbra]

Still.

The Dune Hopper just feels kinda awkwardly placed at the moment.

[lunar geyser]

ye

but i can see the reason

[tropic portal]

buff soma

[sand umbra]

Soma Prime is already fixed in the next update.

[tropic portal]

[lunar geyser]

are there any sources to see the old sprites to calamity i really like looking back on them?

[lost agate]

you know, sad part is that we never really nerfed soma

tmod just did big bad

[tropic portal]

wait you mean it was A L W A Y S B A D?

[lost agate]

No

This tmodloader update capped use time at 2, and since soma prime had a use time of 1 it basically halved the dps

[tropic portal]

oh, i see

[zealous ridge]

So you fix it by like doubling the amount of bullets fired per shot or something?

[lost agate]

We either buffed the dmg a lot or made a pseudo use time of 1

Aka we made it consume more ammo but it shoots several bullets at once

[zealous ridge]

okay I see

I wonder why tmod added a use time cap...

[lost agate]

Idek

[tropic portal]

i assumed it would be a p90 on steroids, which is why i was confused at low damage and tight bullet spread

[lost agate]

Soma prime was intended to shoot as fast as p90 yeah

And well, p90 also got affected

[zealous ridge]

P90 is pretty constant with its aim tbh

[hallow raven]

Doesn't minigun get its speed reduced too or?

Or does it not shoot fast enough

[lost agate]

I dont remember

[zealous ridge]

basically any weapon with a 1 use time probably got affected

[lost agate]

But im pretty sure all the ones with use times of 1 got fixed already

[tropic portal]

not sure about that, just used soma and only got around 55,000 dps

[lost agate]

Well, half the bullets can do a big difference

[zealous ridge]

In next update I think

[tropic portal]

oh ok

[lost agate]

Yeah the fix is next update

Anyway,this is a little offtopic at this point

[tropic portal]

yeah, sorry

[lost agate]

Dw

[zealous ridge]

byeah in any case, does anyone think the forsaken saber needs a buff or is it fine in its current state?

[lost agate]

Dunno havent tried it

[zealous ridge]

I was thinking about suggesting giving it’s projectile piercing. It’s the sword that fires a forbbidden blade that like changes velocity like the holy spears fired during the profaned guardians fight?

[lost agate]

Piercing may end up just messing with i frames

[zealous ridge]

mm yeah that’s probably fair

There aren’t many piercing options for melee I felt, destroyer and AS were very difficult on my melee play through (maybe just because I wasn’t using dao) but yeah

dao of pow is a good piercing melee weapon right?

[lost agate]

I dont remember

[zealous ridge]

idk it seems like a good option with such high base dmg

in that way it’s kind of a more consistent clam crusher with less range

but okay, yeah I frame shenanigans might mess with it, I understand

[lost agate]

A good piercing weapon for melee is a nice idea tho

Cuz yeah melee either has no piercing or is limited to like 2 pierces per shot

[void kelp]

or subshocker

[zealous ridge]

Eh post AS

[void kelp]

melee’s piercing options include:

• what?
• you have two
• true melee I guess

[lost agate]

Pretty much

Maybe a weapon with lower dmg than usual but good piercing

Idk if forsaken blade could fit that

[zealous ridge]

Saber sort of has a stop and go projectile that lingers around at certain points, maybe a nerf to its projectile damage may be in order if it’s too strong

but the lingering I thought would synergize nicely with piercing

[lost agate]

Maybe yeah

[void kelp]

mechanically speaking, a melee weapon that incentivizes being at a certain distance to deal max dps would be interesting

[sleek wadi]

Don't melee weapons do that already? Get up close to increase DPS, but not so close that you take contact damage

[zealous ridge]

W/o projectiles, that’s a super risky strat

[void kelp]

I suppose— I was thinking more like “tipping” mechanics where the tip of the blade deals more damage

[lost agate]

Most stuff is big enough for that to not matter much

[zealous ridge]

oooh I remember sleepy octopod and how it kind of spun around before reaching full power at a certain point

if the ancient crusher/evil smasher kind of got that, that would be pretty epic ( kind of feels like a hammer swinging motion if that makes sense)

[lunar geyser]

the evil smasher is a reference to a gun to BL2 so that effect wouldnt make much sense

[zealous ridge]

oh it may still keep whatever makes it a reference to BL2

I think most of the rivs are references to BL

[blazing dragon]

The entire riv system is based off of BLs legendary guns

[void kelp]

yep

[lost agate]

@ashen warren @reef plover a reason would be appreciated

[ashen warren]

imagine you want to make bloodflare armor so you have to make blood core but you dont have enough phantoplasm (cuz you spent 100 to make necro) so you have to farm phantoplasm again which is waste of time

[lost agate]

Add that to the suggestion then

[faint needle]

Add a recipe to the yoyo glove and the any of the counterweights
Reason:as much as yoyo only is a meme, its very entertaining and sometimes even if you see the skeleton merchant the doesn't sell you the counterweight or the yoyo glove.

What do you guys think?

[smoky wagon]

Skeleton merchant always sells the glove

[faint needle]

No?

[smoky wagon]

In hardmode

[faint needle]

Wait

Glove is hardmode acc?

[smoky wagon]

Yes

[faint needle]

Oh

[smoky wagon]

also counterweights shouldn’t be too hard to get between the skeleton and traveling merchants

[faint needle]

Regardless, if you want a clean world you don't use caves too much after mid pre hm

[opal barn]

The yoyo glove and counterweights are easy enough to get, you almost always run into the skeleton merchant

[faint needle]

Heh

Guess I just have bad luck

[manic pelican]

Is it possible there could be a version of Calamity made where the vanilla stuff is unchanged and the new stuff has the numbers toned down to vanilla levels? Cataclysm doesn't work well with a lot of other mods due to how high the numbers get.

[quiet abyss]

That'd require a rebalance of every single weapons in calamity and a whole lot of dps testing.
Even if it could be done, it'd take a really long time, and would just delay calamity's development.

[faint needle]

Just do it yourself tbh.

Afaik calamity devs are open to givethe source to others for addons

[smoky wagon]

Source is only given to trusted people

unless something changed

[manic pelican]

Ah well, guess I'll just wait until later and do a Calamity-only playthrough

[zealous ridge]

i think the reason this hasnt happened yet is because its really annoying spagetti code (referring to most recent suggestion)

forcing her to spawn may be an alternative but how would she spawn ? would she dropp from the desert scourge or something?

[opal barn]

the same way permafrost spawns

[zealous ridge]

yeah okay

lorewise thats a lil bit clunky but it could be made to work?

[queen sail]

Ehhh

Dryad doesn't spawn from KS though

Then again KS is also a joke

[distant gyro]

the same way steampunker spawn as well maybe

"dryad has awoken!"

[zealous ridge]

[queen delta]

I got an idea for a suggestion: Providence no longer gains any DR during holy ray phase, but she charges up the laser faster the more damage she takes while charging up the laser.

[civic pond]

honestly the holy ray feels like another cocoon to me

[void kelp]

I’d like that tbh

would add another dimension to the fight

[sand umbra]

Same.

[lost agate]

That would just make it easier to hit

[wind canyon]

?

[lost agate]

And imagine using adren or the like just to get slapped by a laser cuz she entered laser phase and you were doing a lot of damage

With no time to react whatsoever

[sand umbra]

There could probably be some sort of tell that'd indicate "hey, if you wanna get more time to skedaddle from this laser, do not commit attack".

Also there exists a tell to indicate she's about to hit that dab on you with the Holy Ray anyway.

[lost agate]

What tell?

[civic pond]

doesn't her movement change when she's about to fire

[sand umbra]

Provi slows down considerably when she's about to fire.

[civic pond]

that.

[lost agate]

Oh you mean that tell that could end up being instantly skipped due to high dmg?

[sand umbra]

The damage wouldn't have to nix the cooldown instantly tbf.

[lost agate]

Imagine you activate adren, provi is at full speed, and then without slowdown, bam a laser

[sand umbra]

e.g. no matter what, there'd always be like half a second to a second where she doesn't fire.

The rest of the cooldown is then affected by the damage speedup.

[lost agate]

Half a second is not enough to realize the slowdown

[sand umbra]

A second, then?

[zealous ridge]

perhaps a charging sound?

[sand umbra]

That too.

Sound is instantaneous and honestly perhaps a far better tell than "lol slow"

[lost agate]

I just see it as overcomplicating laser just to pack in more dmg

[sand umbra]

Would also help with understanding when Provi's about to fly off my screen because of Asphalt + Holy Ray phase in the first place--

[zealous ridge]

thats true, it might mess with the general flow of the fight

by making her take more damage during a certain phase

it effectively would make the fight shorter, granted you capitalize on the lack of damage resistance.

[lost agate]

But at the same time it would make it have cheap hits

And the laser dmg is not low

[sand umbra]

The other end of dealing with it would be to stop firing entirely or not commit Swordsplosion or smth idk and let the Ray charge up as normal, granting more time to react but less time to deal big numbers.

I see it as being a risk-reward type of thing.

[zealous ridge]

if youre already dealing big damage it can be hard to stop dealing big damage, you know?

[lost agate]

I just see it as putting unnecesary worries on players

And summoners just cry

[sand umbra]

o

that's right

Elemental Axe and friends

[zealous ridge]

provis fight is deep enough as is, with all the unique projectiles to dodge and cocoon bullet hells and such, so I think the suggestion isnt needed

[sand umbra]

why must i forget summoner exists half the time

[lost agate]

Just imagine having to worry about crystal then donuts spawn AND worrying about not triggering a fast laser ALL AT ONCE

[sand umbra]

donuts

donuts are bruh

[zealous ridge]

yeah it would kind of overwhelm the player, kind of like how catastrophe spawning during the life seeker phase messes up the fight and makes it harder than it should be

[lost agate]

Imagine using any sort of homing and then you just unintentionally trigger a fast laser

[sand umbra]

"oh man i'm dealing huge damage time to-"
<player> got massacred by Holy Ray.

[lost agate]

And theres just no way for a normal player to tell doing dmg is harming them more than doing good

[sand umbra]

ech

[queen delta]

oh boy i forgot summoners existed for a second there

[lost agate]

Its not only about summoners

[queen delta]

In that case, how about just lowering the DR from 90 to around 25-50?

I read the whole convo btw

[lost agate]

Problem still stands

As it is rn its "oh shit she slowed down and i cant damage her, something is happening" and then bam laser, with that suggestion it would be "ok im doing good dmg, lets go-" dead

[queen delta]

Yeah I read the convo

[lost agate]

Some may even think provi is just lagging or smth

[queen delta]

I'm thinking of just doing merely lowering DR to 25-50

Not even touching the laser stuff

err actually how about no additional DR? It's not like provi's gonna melt instantly cuz she became slower

[civic pond]

swordsplosion says otherwise

[queen delta]

swordsplosion melts provi anytime not counting cocoons

[lost agate]

Elemental ray smh

[civic pond]

[lost agate]

Or any form of stacking damage based on position

Heck, try storm ruler

[queen delta]

Aight, so 25%? cuz i still feel like 90% is too much for holy ray phase

[lost agate]

Why do you even wanna lower it?

[queen delta]

Because provi seems to have too much 90% times

The cocoons are fine, but the holy ray having 90% DR is too much imo

It just feels like an attack, compared to the cocoons which are more than that

[cyan lagoon]

Idea: Rename Fabsol's Vodka to Cirrus' Vodka or Cirrus' Brew

Why?: A more appropriate name for such, I have no complaints about the creator name drop but I think the larger reason for this change would be to differenciate the name from the Fabsol item, which is a mount and not a consumable

[lost agate]

Also a hint about it making cirrus spawn

[cyan lagoon]

Should have a flavor text

Something like "Keeping this close may attract special individuals."

[dusty stirrup]

I approve of this

[lost agate]

yeah its a good idea imo

[reef plover]

I gave a reason for my suggestion abt the carnage

I wasn’t online when you mentioned me, sorry

[lost agate]

Dont worry

[civic pond]

wh

what does the devourer have to do with cosmolight

[mystic grotto]

oh im dumb I kinda thought cosmolight bars

I will be deleting all of this

[civic pond]

yep ok

[mystic grotto]

you fool

I said nothing stupid in any way trust me everyone

[tropic portal]

yeah i dont see anything dumb, so i will believe the minion

[proven tide]

why

[radiant meadow]

@strong jacinth the emote isn't getting added
someone already suggested it and it was denied

[ashen warren]

[narrow saffron]

[pliant bone]

Have Calamitas' Brothers have their own healthbar rather than sharing the same healthbar as Calamitas

This doesn't seem to be that useful back when they had little health in exchange for them to be spawned like 3-5 times.
Now, their HPs are pretty beefy that it is 1/3 of phase 2 Calamitas' hp. It may be worth knowing then how much hp the bros have left in this case rather than them sharing the same healthbar as Calamitas.

[zenith hazel]

I see that the bros have gotten to you that bad, huh?

[pliant bone]

shush

[zenith hazel]

but yeah, I agree

it's hard to estimate sometimes, leading to some risks having to be taken

[queen delta]

Yeah I agree as well. Each brother feels like a real part of the fight, so them having their own health bar would be nice.

[zenith hazel]

brothers should be a bit more fair imo

[queen delta]

And I dunno if its calamity or the mod maker of yet another boss health bar that manages it, but in the case its calamity, the brothers should have smaller health bars (like mourning woods or pillars have)

[pliant bone]

Afaik another boss health bar doesnt even count the bros' hps lol.

[queen delta]

Yes but they should now since the brothers feel more like minibosses now rather than just an enemy

[zenith hazel]

they're more threatening than clone herself tbh

[teal ibex]

ngl ive wanted the separate healthbars since before the changes, even

[tawny tide]

i hate not being able to keep track of them properly

[hollow saffron]

I have like 3 suggestions with over 90 stars at the moment

none of which have recieved checks

[worthy fiber]

Be patient 🙃

[hollow saffron]

some of which have been around for almost a week

lolk

[proven tide]

feels like a buffed version of the revengeance fight

... yes.

[zenith hazel]

isn't that like... 80% of the bosses anyway?

[tired haven]

Doesn't mean it should stay that way instead of evolving to original fights, but the hand clones sounds mhm

[proven tide]

https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Death_Mode

all of the bosses

[tired haven]

You misread

It means that bosses are plain buffed (instead of having unique features), not just harder

[proven tide]

... yes?

[tired haven]

Unless I'm imagining things for xul

[hollow saffron]

hand clones??

[proven tide]

every ai change is increased stats with the occasional mechanical difficulty increase (increased accel on grav switch)

[hollow saffron]

head you meant?

fetus have you fought providence in deathmode

[tired haven]

Well, head, whatever
Clones do not fit to skeletron either way

[hollow saffron]

ok sure lol

[proven tide]

HP increased to 1,144,000. Switches between attack patterns more frequently and does not emit healing flames. The Healer Guardian heals much more health. Has a much more aggressive behavior.

[hollow saffron]

that seems like an ai change

[proven tide]

... all of them are ai changes

[hollow saffron]

unique

ai

changes

[proven tide]

i don't think you quite get it

the ai changes don't change the fights, just toughen them

by changes it's just buffs

[hollow saffron]

can't a buff be unique tho

[proven tide]

revengeance is the mode that reworks™ everything

death just buffs revengeance

take your provi example:

[plucky matrix]

I mean rn skelly is a circle sim, if you can find a way to make him less of a circle sim I'll star that

[hollow saffron]

fair

[proven tide]

stat increase
stat (attack mode switch) increase
no heals (effectively a stat — damage — increase, but despite being mechanical change does not add anything to the fight)
stat increase
anger (stat increase)

[tired haven]

It'd be hard because skulls are by definition circle sim

[hollow saffron]

anger?

[plucky matrix]

sadly

[proven tide]

aggression increases

[hollow saffron]

oh

[zenith hazel]

4 arms

[hollow saffron]

no

[proven tide]

if you want to rework skele then revengeance is your man

[zenith hazel]

oh wait prime still dies to circling

[proven tide]

but trying to separate rev and death is kinda pointless when death exists only for extra difficulty for basically no reward

[ashen warren]

skeletron should spew rings of bones while spinning, his hands should have a phase 2 where they also make bone rings and shoot skulls, also skeletron should be able to revive his hands with 50% life every 30 seconds, also skeletron should have a final DG phase with 50 life

[proven tide]

revengeance is the New Layer Of Content™ and death is just UWU

[zenith hazel]

this... seems familiar

[proven tide]

terry shut up

😤

[tired haven]

That's still circle boogaloo

[plucky matrix]

ffs terry

[proven tide]

oh hey look who used my emoji

tl;dr reason is gay change mode

[hollow saffron]

fargo that seems a bit too much for prehardmode

[ashen warren]

actually bone rings force you to do n-shaped paths around skeletron instead of circle because muh bone rings block going under

[proven tide]

just put a fucking box around the player too

[worthy fiber]

Seems fine to me

Undertale momentum

[proven tide]

make the bones ignore immunity but deal 1 damage

[hollow saffron]

i added this
Skeletron will gain a slight speed boost if the player is above him, in order to keep the player below the head at all times

[placid moth]

Did what Terry say, is it in masomode

[tired haven]

well that's for nohits
I just tanked this shit because going in ambient pattern would have killed me for sure

[ashen warren]

also skeletron needs a theme that consists of three people repeatedly screaming SANS AAAAAAAA

[hollow saffron]

basically if youre above the head it will rocket upward lol

[tired haven]

[proven tide]

SANS *megalovania screech*

[tired haven]

Just give him 2 bones that expand to the sides by like 50 blocks, so you simply cannot end up higher than him without taking dmg
50% meme

[proven tide]

thank you turqhole, very cool

[hollow saffron]

imean you cant circle a boss if its always above you

[proven tide]

just give him two arms that expand to 50x sprite size so they act as screen borders twenty tiles thick

[tired haven]

It sounds like a challenge

[hollow saffron]

skeletron yharon

skeletron yharon

besides that sounds more like you're limiting arena size

[proven tide]

yharon is just fluffron

[hollow saffron]

personally i like a long arena for skeletron

not a vertical one

[proven tide]

duke fluffron for president 2020

[hollow saffron]

but that's just me 🤷

[tired haven]

I'd make 50% meme bold next time k thanks

[lost agate]

hands move while head is spinning
Stunlock
Stunlock

[hollow saffron]

hands are easy to dodge anyway

[lost agate]

No not really

Its the fact theyre not constatly getting closer that makes them easier

[proven tide]

while you're at it just make him ignore knockback immunity and resistance

the farther his hand moves and the higher its velocity when it hits the more tiles you go

if you dash away from his slap of justice you get fucking verboten across the floor

[lost agate]