By only hitting once
#suggestions-discussion
lost agate
sand umbra
How would they only hit once?
I never said they can only hit one worm at a time.
Also they're worms.
Literally anything that pierces is like guaranteed to hit even one small worm a few times if used correctly.
lost agate
Well sorry i misunderstood then
sand umbra
it's okay i honestly completely forgot deuces existed for a second hueh
so thank you for encouraging me to think of options for deus
zealous ridge
in mi opinion, deus is pretty janky as a fight, it’s just astral mine spam and weird worm healthbar shenanigans which make him an odd experience
but that’s kind of a different subject
tired haven
Tbh I do have my doubts in that pierce weapons have to be toned down that heavily just because they are melting worms
It is their specialization and they are weaker than non-pierce options in basic fights 99% of the time
Problem of deus specifically is that worms like to group up and give infinite pierces insane advantage
sand umbra
^
tired haven
The picture would be completely different if you could only focus one worm at a time
Yeah, things will still shine, but the times will become quite big
opal barn
alright listen to me, how about this, at first there is one worm, when you kill that worm, 2 more spawn, when you kill them, 4 more spawn 
tired haven
Also, who in their mind would fight worms with non pierce
tired haven
lel
queen delta
Everyone since piercing is getting cucked
zealous ridge
I want worm hydra
civic pond
that would prevent my frames from being died
sand umbra
Like that's one of the greatest ideas I've heard for Deuces ever.
civic pond
sand umbra
Unironically.
tired haven
I agree tbh, but numbers probably need to be adjusted
queen delta
zealous ridge
it’s barely elaborated on but yeah it’s an interesting idea
sand umbra
Numbers'll have to be adjusted, of course. It'd have to be ironed out more, expanded upon.
tired haven
So it's not just calamitas: astral snek boogaloo
opal barn
bro time to become a dev??
sand umbra
broski???
zealous ridge
opal barn
3rd rework 
lost agate
Smh
sand umbra
unique vector
astrum deus the rework boss
zealous ridge
opal barn
but for real, that would eliminate a lot of balancing problems when the 8 worms won't be spawned at once
civic pond
and lag
opal barn
but it would require to balance all the shit around deus again
zealous ridge
I’d imagine that would be annoying
sand umbra
It'd still eliminate a lot of the issues that currently cause piercing to have an outright absurd advantage against Deuces compared to non-piercing options.
tired haven
Well it's not our fault that worm bosses are ass to balance
Actually, I'd like to remember that not every weapon has to be viable on an enemy, so making a fight mostly rely on pierce is not the worst decision as long as every class has an option(s)
sand umbra
Ech.
tired haven
Because for example I don't really see much people who go to kill destroyer with clockwork or smth
opal barn
twins vs heart rapier
sand umbra
lel
Like. Piercing should still have a practical advantage against worm bosses, of course.
It's effectively the mechanic they're balanced around, hence why most worm bosses have an exorbiant amount of HP. 
Deuces is just...weird to balance because of how it works at the moment. 
opal barn
Ig i'm just gonna polish the idea for a while and wait until the rogue update is done and submit it here
opal barn
god damnit why do I have good ideas when I think i'm being sarcastic 
civic pond
queen delta
maybe add draedon?
tired haven
Le idk
shut pollen
yes like marble or granite shrine also omg hi crabbar
civic pond
sand umbra
Jungle Shrines already exist.
tired haven
Well yeah
civic pond
and yet not a single feral claws
queen delta
I think he meant a jungle version of the shrine
sand umbra
Oh.
shut pollen
yes
sand umbra
queen delta
Like cavern, crimson, etc
sand umbra
I mean, that could work?
young fern
it could
zealous ridge
jungle mega shrine 
sand umbra
If one could find a way to give it meaningful loot and make it different from the existing Jungle Shrines.
shut pollen
yes
tired haven
Well that's what is a problem here
queen delta
But since jungle shrine already exists, it could be a temple shrine instead?
shut pollen
oooh good idea
tired haven
Mushroom shrine intensifies p much?
shut pollen
oh good idea
tired haven
queen delta
Basically 
queen delta
Because
sand umbra
If the Temple wasn't hardcoded chances are I'd totally be down to help rewrite Temple gen to actually make this a viable thing hueh--
civic pond
on second thought dont answer that
tired haven
because when they do bring up a topic here before posting, no one cares
sand umbra
And also to make the Temple more intriguing in general.
civic pond
the temple is literally just spiky balls and a battery powered rock
sand umbra
Right now it's just kinda
"commit go in one direction"
civic pond
and lizards
sand umbra
Okay but like it is.
shut pollen
YES
tired haven
fuckgoback
sand umbra
Various paths could lead to treasure rooms or other intriguing areas.
sand umbra
its a labyrinth already
No, it's a single winding path that goes on for five years because nobody at Re-Logic thought to make it more interesting.
signal prairie
Make a Jungle shrine but make it look like any old jungle shrine
shut pollen
yeah haha
sand umbra
Yes, Dungeon 2 Electric Boogaloo, it'd be the better than the current Temple--
tired haven
I think the emote conveyed the sarcasm, no?
civic pond
conveys anything you believe it does
sand umbra
:wat: conveys everything.
civic pond
yes it was sarcasm
tired haven
But does it convey a thermal death of current universe
sand umbra
Yes.
civic pond
it can
tired haven
tired haven
We can't, do we need to tho
sand umbra
Convince Red and company to un-hardcode worldgen bullshit.
Then the real fun can start.
civic pond
do we need to?
sand umbra
signal prairie
Not have the temple spawn and yeet Golem from the game
queen delta
Make traps indestructible or unable to be disarmed, bricks cant be mined or actuated until post-ML, flying snakes can go thru blocks, lihzahrds can shoot spiky balls at you, and fighting golem outside temple makes it enraged to the point where it spams attacks at you and is instakill
sand umbra
I want so badly to improve upon so many parts of worldgen but trying to edit anything worldgen-wise from the vanilla game is ass--
civic pond
dont answer that either
opal barn
so basically masomode temple
tired haven
ye
sand umbra
shut pollen
true
civic pond
i like loot
sand umbra
Do you like hmmmmmmm treasure rooms?
shut pollen
and make it bigger
sand umbra
Do you like hrmmmmm puzzles that reward you with powerful items?
shut pollen
yes
sand umbra
Yes.
young fern
give me a lizardman spear that shoots lizardmen that try to throw other spears that also throw lizardmen into a never ending cycles of lizardmen
signal prairie
Nu plz
civic pond
na fuk that i'll go back to the shitty rock boss
sand umbra
bruh
civic pond
sand umbra
It'd let me rework Golem too.
civic pond
golem is a joke practically
sand umbra
Something I've wanted to do for a good while now.
tired haven
Make golem a small draedon
civic pond
tired haven
young fern
yeah golem is too easy
sand umbra
Golem is way too easy for the point it's fought.
civic pond
However, golem was meant to be fought in that tiny ass temple room
signal prairie
Golem would spawn all three mechs every single frame he is alive
sand umbra
Okay but like you can actuate Temple blocks post-Plantera in vanilla to begin with.
civic pond
^
shut pollen
what about a jungle shrine with an autohammer in it?
civic pond
fuck it, lets hoik the living hell out of the temple too
sand umbra
The devs shot themselves in the foot from the start.
shut pollen
lol
tired haven
Well uh autohammer is both sequence break and not unique item for a shrine
sand umbra
^
shut pollen
ok
civic pond
also what does that have to do with the jungle
shut pollen
nvm than
sand umbra
Don't ask me what the new item is I'm busy coming up with revamped Temple bullshit okay bye--
young fern
just rework temple into laboratory
shut pollen
hmm
sand umbra
Come watch my bullshit in the CCC doc if you dare.
It'll likely never be implemented in the near future because editing vanilla worldgen rn is 
, but it'll be nice to think about and plan for the potentiality of worldgen becoming un-hardcoded.
civic pond
google docs time
signal prairie
Make it an accessory that gives a 1% chance on any class weapon to fire a missle that does 10 times the damage of the weapon your using and make it deal true dsmage
Itd drop from golem
young fern
where can i access the doc thomas?
young fern
well the guardian is the golem isnt he?
blazing dragon
golem head
dusty stirrup
@shut pollen So uh what is that supposed to do exactly
faint needle
** E X I S T ** I guess
shut pollen
what?
faint needle
the jungle shrine item
dusty stirrup
Then why did you put it in suggestions
faint needle
so it ** E X I S T S **
dusty stirrup
Can you stop
faint needle
Ok sorry
shut pollen
cuz theres no jungle shine
faint needle
shrine
shut pollen
leve it up to the devs
dusty stirrup
But just saying to add a jungle shrine and not adding any reasoning isn't enough
I'll remove it
shut pollen
ok
faint needle
because theres no jungle shrine and even granite biome has a shrine
is there any class that doesnt have a shrine acc?
dusty stirrup
Jungle already has shrines anyway
faint needle
oh yeah
dusty stirrup
There's lots of them and have multiple type of items, but they're still shrines
faint needle
forgot about that lol
unique vector
do research before making a suggestion in case the mod already has a similar feature/item, that way you don't suggest something that already exists.
faint needle
i mean, jungle shrines arent even from the mod lol
dusty stirrup
Is that supposed to be an excuse
faint needle
i didnt make the sugg tho
unique vector
you should have still done research likewise before making a comment.
west prairie
where is this CCC doc
smoky wagon
its a public doc idt you need his permission
young fern
well better safe then sorry i guess
hollow shell
Jesus tapdancing Christ
I thought I was overdoing it with my 25-page long unrealistic-suggestions doc
Then you drop in with the 170 pages
civic pond
livid coral
HOly fucking shit
hollow shell
Literally half a novel
west prairie
have you thought of cosmilite-clad cnidrions
sand umbra
No but that's a wonderfully bad idea and I will certainly not add it.
Also I've thought of the Katanya.
Which is the best worst thing I've ever created.
grand granite
@supple lodge I think that even using some of DM Dokuros "Interlude" themes could work for different phases of boss rush
jovial spire
@grand granite Its Noxus
blazing dragon
has the idea of making sulphorous sand actually fall been suggested before? im pretty sure it has but i might as well ask
blazing dragon
oooh boy
neon birch
what happened
blazing dragon
you saw nothing
blazing dragon
done
ashen warren
might be problematic with the abyss entrance, but that would really smoothen the terrain over there
viscid tiger
I mean, some gravel could always be added if need be
sick bane
Here's a suggestion. Is it legal?
Have the abyss generate last, or at least after caves
brittle merlin
Probably
blazing dragon
but why?
viscid tiger
^
sick bane
Reason: to stop caves creating holes in the bottom of the abyss
sick bane
I had a cave system drain my abyss into the underworld
blazing dragon
cave generation is hardcoded though
viscid tiger
Ah
sick bane
Oh
west prairie
is the order hardcoded tho
sick bane
Alright
proven tide
that's also a ☑
warm tinsel
@supple lodge bro btw BR is really getting a theme, Dok confirmed it
And the upcoming boss is Draedon not Noxus, the dark boi is after Yharim who's after Draedon
proven tide
doesthiscountasanitemsuggestion 
queen delta
I think this one isnt a specific item suggestion
cobalt ferry
teal ibex
okay martian event does have useful stuff though
i don't disagree with the idea but that's a lie
tired haven
I mean, any event is practically useless 3 tiers after the initial encounter (except those buffed like solar eclipse)
proven tide
@ember coral being?
ember coral
oh, like how the health and mana potions are placeable but dont actually do anything
just as a quality of life thing
crystal osprey
Would be cool if they each have a small aoe effect around em
quiet abyss
@ashen warren Oi, no meme suggestion, warned
ashen warren
placid moth
Bruh
proven tide
i'm keeping this
placid moth
Smh spam
radiant meadow
Please stop spamming
proven tide
wow look the devourer of thots exists time to punish
radiant meadow
Don't push it
proven tide
@ashen warren what's so notable about the guardian?
yes, it was once called the devourer of thots
quiet abyss
Mute it is 
proven tide
it's gay
what a time to be alive
friendly reminder he also looked up suck sword, thot exterminator, and [REDACTED] on wikilookup
opal barn
okay but why mention it?
proven tide
we're lucky all we got was that
if he'd gotten a wikibot response for [EXPUNGED] it might've been a lot worse
also those prolly need cleaning out of the chat
@ashen warren but does that really make the fight, as you put it, memorable?
yes, it makes it challenging, but as it stands it seems kinda limited
although there's only really so much one can do with that limited mobility
then again, crab
signal prairie
@ashen warren doesn't this suggestion break the newest rule?
faint needle
Its not a specific item
plucky matrix
Just a minecart, a set of wings, or dashing accesory make fight basicly trivial, even on Deatmode.
yeahhhhh not really, that's like saying wings trivialize yharon because you can use them to dodge the attacks imo
faint needle
RoD TrIvIaLiZeS aLl pOsT-wOf FiGhTs
signal prairie
its giving specific stats and thats a nono
faint needle
Its specific items
void kelp
not a specific item so it’s safe
faint needle
With specific stats and utilites
opal barn
Yata suggested specific changes to polter, this is fine
signal prairie
That's kinda strange then, imho it should include enemies, boss changes, and more
void kelp
imo boss changes are fine since I’ve seen some good ones thatre understandable and not “nerf scal she’s too hard”
opal barn
the dev server was filled with item suggestions, not enemy suggestions
void kelp
that too!
signal prairie
it doesn't make sense to me but eh, oh well
proven tide
@ashen warren why essence of chaos? he is fish
also, maybe replace providence with moon lord
so rogue has more than just the one viable weapon against provi
ashen warren
Because Amidias is related with Calamitas, and Essences of Chaos are related with Brimstone.
Calamitas uses brimstone attacks, so that kinda makes sense.
And maybe you are right, Moon Lord is better for Amidias to sell New stuff.
ashen warren
Ok, essence of sunlight can be sold as well.
Eleum is still sold by Permafrost, though.
queen sail
Also by that logic that’s like saying “Yharim is related to Permafrost so he should sell Auric Ore”
ashen warren
Ok, those specific things are gone.
But more weapons and accessories can be better.
opal barn
friendly reminder that the dev team has stuff planned for rogue
the rogue update is coming after all
proven tide
this is big brain
hey can we get post-scal omniclass armour
@ashen warren
more superbosses, like 3 or 4
only xeroc and noxus will be superbosses
blazing dragon
Bruh moment
radiant meadow
@ashen warren there are already plans for the future. There will only be 2 superbosses.
blazing dragon
1 or 2 years
ashen warren
they had planned like devourer of universe or
what was the other one
only 2? Scal is one of them
ashen warren
ohh. Didn't they have "planned bosses" on their wiki?
radiant meadow
No
ashen warren
I swear to god they removed the page. I found it once and there was also a superboss something like "World Dragon Yharim" or something like that. Very similar to jungle dragon yharon
radiant meadow
Which are removed
terse sundial
^
ashen warren
why? Maybe they thought that they were too similar to those 2 other bosses?
terse sundial
becuase it caused a lot of problems, many of the devs disliked them.
ashen warren
I still have hopes. They might change their mind at some point, some game developers do that. Or maybe (I doubt that) when 1.4 is released something might change and make it a bit easier to code
terse sundial
they aren't coming back
ashen warren
as I said. I still have hopes. And although there will be 2 new bosses that will be superbosses I would kind of like if they added more at some point and not just 2. Do you know what are these 2 bosses?
terse sundial
in
ashen warren
they will add Yharim that's good I guess and 2 new superbosses cool
faint needle
Back to dou and the other future bosses even if the devs did like them they were uninspired pieces of trash that served almost no real purpose
dusty stirrup
wdym devs liked them, only fab really did and he changed his mind later
faint needle
even IF
queen delta
terse panther
What
ashen warren
nyata how's the no hits btw
zealous ridge
have devs tested if giving the forsaken saber projectiles piercing makes it too strong?
ashen warren
anticheese time
zealous ridge
ashen warren
is it gladiator rain
queen delta
bruh i said i wouldnt reveal it
loud steeple
@queen delta reveal it
smoky wagon
the calamity title music box is already craftable
devout seal
if you want that, just use cheat sheet for one extra slot
half basalt
but why do i need to download a seperate mod for something so simple?
plus, calamity adds a bunch of new music boxes
may as well
and plus, this accessory slot is ONLY for music boxes
void kelp
yeah, coding additional accessory slots is apparently an absurdly difficult task
supple lodge
There’s a mod that adds a wings accessory slot tho
queen sail
Yeah but iirc it was absolute aids to code
And even then it still has a few wonks here and there
faint needle
wot
viscid tiger
@terse panther you can use Fargo's mutant to get siren leviathan summons
balmy coyote
I would love a way to get cosmilite undeground
same for luminite
but I think, in the case of both bosses, they should drop less bars of their respective ore
if any bars at all
wind flicker
yeah makes sense, although I feel like they should still drop some for people who would rather fight the boss than mine
zenith hazel
DoG is easier to farm now, especially since the recent removal of his sentinels phase after the first kill
besides, most post-DoG weapons kill him pretty quickly anyway
tawny tide
^
void kelp
unless you’re true memelee then your DPS is only boosted by 50% due to no post-DoG tm items aside from the lore
but that’s such an edge case I don’t think it deserves a change just for it
west prairie
im biased with my suggestion admittedly, but smooth/rough block variants are a time honored tradition in calamity
void kelp
it’s a good sugg
worthy fiber
As cool as the new crystal blocks are, yeah that'd be good
west prairie
oh yeah, i love the new crystal
practically untouchable
smooth is a v good look to have as an option tho
worthy fiber
indeed
west prairie
rune brick was an improvement too. this was always more suited as a wall ornament than a block texture
cold jasper
what do you guys think of making it so that respawns are disabled for multiplayer supreme calamitas in death/revengeance mode? im hesitant to put it in #suggestions-voting because i doubt many people would want it, but i think it would work quite well, since one of my favourite parts about the scal fight is that you only get to be hit 10/15 (or more) times, and the respawns make the fight feel a lot less satisfying
cold jasper
oh, i must be playing on an old version then. my bad lol
but i still think it takes something away from the fight, idk
ashen warren
AS best boss
queen sail
Imagine unironically liking the scal hitcap
queen delta
just 
jovial spire
@cold jasper yeah a REALLY old version
cold jasper
ye i came back to terraria after a long break lol and didnt think to update mods
jovial spire
yeah iirc the hitcap was removed near the start of march i wanna say
You'd have to make a new world
radiant meadow
There is a mod that disables respawning in boss fights
And tbh, scal is designed a bit in mind with this in mind. Hence why bullet hells often cause cheap hits in mp
ashen warren
lost agate
Wouldnt the items hide in lava too?
And well you dont wanna see people not finding their divine geodes then ranting about it
ashen warren
You could have a providence platform instead I guess
lost agate
That too
vocal grotto
Yeah
queen sail
Don’t see why it was so unnecessarily large in the first place
lost agate
Idk either, spaghetti perhaps
zenith hazel
big box for big moth UwU
neon birch
provi is cute
vocal grotto
Looks like it's going on providence's width / 2. So not spaghetti code
void kelp
I reckon the box should just be made smaller if it can
lost agate
Ah well then you can suggest a smaller box yeah
queen delta
Idea: really leave a mark by making provi box indestructible, as a “grave” for her 
vocal grotto
High IQ ngl
young fog
lole
vocal grotto
and make it 250x250
queen sail
😩👋: Killing Providence for her precious loot
😌☝: Killing Providence for free Profaned Rock
tawny tide
"her precious loot" 
vocal grotto
: Killing Providence for the healing pots
ashen warren
: Killing Providence this offtopic activity on this channel, smh
vocal grotto
Yeah, that's enough offtopic
placid girder
Tbh make provi drop profaned rock like dog does
golden kayak
ML is a joke after you get post-ml weapons.
At least on rev.
So farming him is not a problem.
neon birch
still
u gotta wait a minute for him to spawn if u dont have any mods which add instant spawners
faint needle
And about dog, you need to beat him around 3 times to get all the gear youll ever need until the end of a playtrough
loud steeple
Ya but dog is a fun fight
faint needle
yeah i know
and it goes down fast with post dog weps
im just implying that theres no need for cosmilite ore
terse panther
@viscid tiger you can also use cheatsheet to summon em in, it's just that i think the main mod should have a summon so you don't 'need' a different mod for it
ashen warren
Yeah, the only reason to farm Doggo might be his legendary drop, his mount, or maybe Bricks.
faint needle
Bricks look nice
worthy fiber
@timber hearth no boss suggestions
proven tide
i got more content than you in the same amount of time 😤
worthy fiber
fair
proven tide
thank
bitter topaz
@timber hearth read the suggestions "do's and dont's" before making a suggestion please.
boss suggestions aren't allowed, as progression is already fully planned out and the dev team isn't going to add any more
sand umbra
biome chests add 1 weapon for each class
Calamity makes both evil biome chests obtainable in the same world.
Both contain melee weapons. 
~~also just add more weapons for subclasses iirc
flawless plan with no problems whatsoever
(this is a joke--)~~
radiant meadow
it's to prevent people getting shafted by upgrades and lategame options ig
sand umbra
Fair enough.
radiant meadow
since melee and rogue are already barren as is at darksun tier
ashen warren
sounds like we need mmmmm more true melee swords
radiant meadow
true melee is like kinda garbo for p2 though
ashen warren
then let's add two true melee swords
radiant meadow
ah yes, abuse the heck out of rod and death rippers to true memee yharon to death and skip half the subphases
sand umbra
ashen warren
true may-may
distant gyro
Aren't biome chests dead because chestcode is horrid
radiant meadow
chestcode is horrid, yes
sand umbra
distant gyro
And spawning a custom generated one will inevitably be riddled with bugs
Just like the astral chest
sand umbra
pre-boss HFSD hueh
ruby cobalt
sand umbra
zenith hazel
abyss chest contains an item that gives you free chaos state wherever you go
terse panther
lul wot
loud steeple
Ok I got a suggestion
terse panther
suggestions go directly in #suggestions-voting ..?
loud steeple
Well I want feedback first
civic pond
no you're supposed to discuss it in this channel first
civic pond
it literally has discussion in the name
terse panther
yes i thought it was for discussing things that were already in the suggestions channel
terse panther
ye i understaand
loud steeple
In the locked chest at the bottom of the abyss,add a rod of discord to it.the reason behind it is some of us don't want to farm for RoD even with the defiled rune. Adding it to the chest allows for a slightly easier boss rush,allows you to summon the adult Eidolon wyrm, whenever you want.
sand umbra
No.
terse panther
nah
sand umbra
RoD should NEVER be a pre-Hardmode tool.
loud steeple
Why can you get into the bottom of the abyss in pre hardmode?
sand umbra
Arctic Diving Gear.
Ocean Crest.
Siren's Heart.
Deep Diver, for that sweet dash.
Victide armor.
loud steeple
And having to deal with the fuckheads in the water?
loud steeple
Arnt Zen and zerg locked to hardmode?
sand umbra
Zen and Zerg are post-Skeletron because of Blood Orb memes.
And furthermore, you don't even really need those to get down there, you just need to hope and pray to RNJesus that a Colossal Squid doesn't show up and ruin your day.
laughs in BoC lore
okay but like BoC lore can only be obtained in Crimson worlds, works exclusively in the Crimson, and overall is entirely too hard to set up for not much reward given you don't need RoD for any pre-Hardmode bosses--
sand umbra
If you need a RoD for anything prior to Cryogen you're doing something wrong.
loud steeple
Ok how about make it so the chest can't be open till hardmode?
sand umbra
There are already two ways to obtain the Rod of Discord, both of which are relatively trivial with the Defiled Rune and the Supreme Bait Tackle Box Fishing Station respectively.
Literally all you have to do is go fishing in the Underground Hallow for like 2-3 minutes.
civic pond
the rest of the components are fairly easy to get
sand umbra
Yep.
loud steeple
I give up,it was a quick idea anyways
faint needle
Rod pre boss would be broken in nohits
vocal grotto
Just came back to suggestions and looked at my thing
hot damn lol
Well, the BoC lore is illegal in nohits iirc
faint needle
Oh didn't know
lofty blade
Yeah it is, it was pretty much an instant ban the second we've heard of it 
sand umbra
faint needle
calamitas is a literal eye rn
and even so
when refighting her for drops she will likely convert into an eye temporarily
young fog
should i make a suggestion that the Burden Breaker should be dropped from HM Skeletron instead of HM Dungeon Guardian?
hollow shell
That'd make at least somewhat realistically obtainable (considering you can spawn Skeletron in Hardmode even if you opened the Dungeon, and you don't have to fight Dungeon Guardian)
but I'm sure that wasn't the intention when they moved it...
smoky wagon
why not just dungeon gaurdian in general
why is it locked behind hardmode when dungeon gaurdian is hard enough as is
lost agate
Because pre hm burden breaker is a no no
And tbf the item did make exploring or moving around the world just trivial
unique vector
on the counter argument, how would you farm DG in pre-hm anyway
young fog
you dont
terse sundial
you know how broken that would be if it was available pre-hm?
unique vector
exactly
civic pond
its "possible"
young fog
although very difficult and tiresome
civic pond
but it was obtainable in hardmode in the first place
so i dont see any reason to change it anyways
lost agate
And killing skeletron on HM is easy af
faint needle
i dont understand how would it be op in pre hm
its not like you can use it during boss fights or something
faint needle
tbh it compensates for the time wasted beating the dg
unique vector
op doesn't necessarily relate to fighting power
faint needle
and you arent going to do it until you have a fast firing weapon anyway
yeah i know
unique vector
and think of it like this
lets assume someone manages to obtain breaker in prehm
now lets think about the pros
young fog
fast speed
unique vector
- tradeoff for effort fighting DG
- obtainable much earlier, and is able to be obtained progression-wise
now lets look at the cons
young fog
extremely tedious to get
unique vector
- from the point that you obtain breaker, it renders every other movement option useless since breaker entirely overpowers everything else
- basically eliminates any purpose of surface exploration within a minute
civic pond
i thought it did that in hardmode too
unique vector
you can see that the cons are a larger issue here
yes and thats why it was moved to be behind DG
civic pond
just one thing confuses me
unique vector
so its still obtainable but its not easy enough to be used commonly
civic pond
if you enter the dungeon pre hardmode
faint needle
does it really eliminate movement options if it is only used in travelling the surface
civic pond
doesn't that mean you'd HAVE to make a new world..?
faint needle
^
unique vector
do you ever go below the surface for long periods of time after you pass early hardmode
faint needle
i dont even go much below it in pre hm
unique vector
exactly
lost agate
You dont have to use minecarts or teleporters anymore
civic pond
i use teleporters
unique vector
yeah, teleporters? whats that i have this overpowered travel item
it just calls for poor balancing
faint needle
teleporters are nice tho
lost agate
And well, its a nice reward for the buffed DG
civic pond
i mean burden breaker overall is optional
civic pond
all it does is give more incentive to kill DG
civic pond
bru
rugged mist
IQ infinity
faint needle
only for 5 minutes tho
lost agate
Basically, "break progression to not enter dungeon on pre hm = break any travelling methods"
faint needle
or suffer additional pain and break any travelling methods
lost agate
Wh
faint needle
imo as of now its not worth not getting abyss weapons just for a OP movement method
lost agate
Point is, before, it was like, why set up teleporters if i can just jump and hold right/left anywhere i can just by slapping in a few hallowed bars and shit
faint needle
the manual wiring pain is less painy than fighting dg
lost agate
Well thats what you gotta choose
civic pond
honestly i think its fine the way it is
faint needle
if anything calamity should add a dg spawner
lost agate
Spend time making teleporters or spent effort doing HM DG
civic pond
a DG spawner would be weird.
lost agate
A DG spawner would break the entire porpuse of the deal
Just go to HM then cheese DG 4head
lost agate
Not a lot of people care it is
queen delta
tips for HM DG:
civic pond
jajaja funny dont get hit yata meme
faint needle
the thing is
civic pond
😬
lost agate
Hoiks still exists and are still commonly used
faint needle
calamity makes it so basically everything should be obtained within a world
queen delta
hoik is effort
lost agate
You can still get burden breaker in the same world
civic pond
oh?
lost agate
Dungeon stuff aint gonna dissapear on HM
civic pond
oh
lost agate
Cobalt shield is always useful
faint needle
thats why i said almost
civic pond
still i dont like the idea of skipping the dungeon just for some easy surface movement
so i'll just spend time making other transports
ech
lost agate
Well, if it was very viable then we would end up in the same spot as before with the recipe
lost agate
Burden
faint needle
the trade off still isnt worth it
lost agate
Viable to get that is
faint needle
very viable weapon!=not so viable acc
lost agate
I never got rid of burden when i got it back then, so if thats not viable/useful, idk what is
faint needle
burden isnt as viable as abyss weapons tho
dusty stirrup
@cosmic bison I feel like you don't know how tmodloader and mods work
faint needle
the id is the name of the tile itself right?
dusty stirrup
Then you should've said filename
terse sundial
Calamity is close sourced also
we would need lots of permission in order to put them on there
cosmic bison
@dusty stirrup exact...
dusty stirrup
It's not the same thing tho
cosmic bison
close source to not modify, i understand it. but create a cross content mode isnt a direct change in Calamity, no one will steal their original code
terse sundial
what
faint needle
a cross content mod with the mod with the most items is just useless
and likely the devs of the cross content one wouldnt be able to make quality content like calam devs
vanities is an exception, but it doesnt need calamity to run
lost agate
You can just.... Ask for permission, theres no need to put code info on a public place just to risk unwanted cross content
terse sundial
ik we can ask for perms, but still we don't want to put source material out there
hollow shell
@cosmic bison Try not to put two separate suggestions in one message
Makes it hard for people to know what they're starring (they may want one and not the other)
faint needle
and also they would need to fall into a agreement that the one who asks perm wont give it to others and shit
terse sundial
wiki editors already have the source code though
lost agate
Also, like proficiency's boost is not that big
cosmic bison
in my case, i want create new classes for terraria. but create a new set and add lots of custom ores makes no sense for who play with vanilla content (considering post-moonlord content)
faint needle
then make your own mod
signal prairie
Prof's boosts are like unnoticeable except summoners
cosmic bison
@hollow shell right, i can fix this?
dusty stirrup
You should probably make your own mod first and work around with making a class first instead of going straight to make a calamity cross-mod right away
terse sundial
edit your suggestion to only include 1 idea
faint needle
You should probably just make your own mod
hollow shell
You can cut that second half out and post it separately
terse sundial
then make a seperate suggestion with the second
faint needle
i mean, i dont think theres is any calamity cross content mod anyway
lost agate
Fargos smh
cosmic bison
@lost agate i can talk with who, for ask permission and talk about it?
dusty stirrup
There's a few actually
terse sundial
@cosmic bison Shucks was refering to my comment about perms to put it on the wiki.
cosmic bison
I alread did my Mod. But testing with Calamity, was too weak, and to balance, i want create some items that can only be crafted if Calamity was loaded (easy done), and using Calamity items; so, if the players wasnt playing with Calamity, this items will not be loaded. I want do this with Mods that lots of people like to play
Obviously, if this was not permitted by devs team, i will not do
faint needle
why not go just your own way with your own mod?
also dont try doing addons to already existing mods unless its something like calamitys vanities
And by that i mean it isnt a content addon
young fog
nothings gonna be done for throwing bc its getting deleted in 1.4
faint needle
yeah, that too
cosmic bison
Idk if the files and variables will be removed. And, when a update remove content that people like, someone bring it back, creating some kind of Mod
terse sundial
TML is attempting to preserve Throwing after 1.4 comes out
faint needle
why
cosmic bison
Cool
terse sundial
also Throwing and Rogue compatiblilty changes slightly next update but I won't go into specifics
cosmic bison
If this variables was removed, some mods that use then will receive error. I play Dont Starve Together, and when the GameDevs want remove some content, they keep the files for help Mod creators. I think Terraria Devs will make the same, as they accept TML without problem
tired haven
It's a bit bold to assume that, considering how majorly different these dev teams are
cosmic bison
Is a shoot on own foot, just change their original weapons/armors damage and bonus, and keep the files. Isnt any sacrifice do this. They can be different, but want the same thing in any way
And isnt impossible to happens
civic pond
queen delta
Yeah you shouldve reposted polter changes instead
terse sundial
I sent the polter changes already to the dev server Yata
queen delta
i know but the more people repost it, the more pressure to change
queen delta
when i keep doing more testing
opal barn
do it faster you loser
civic pond
@queen delta polter doesn't need changes just dont get hit
mhm
thats what i thouGht
hearty yew
@cosmic bison It is not possible to make an Item ID wiki page; Calamity's numeric item IDs depend on what other mods you have loaded.
We could have an "internal name" field on every item / npc / buff / etc. if we wanted, but I don't know if the effort is worth it.
cosmic bison
@hearty yew i forgot to fix this, I was talking about the internal name
hollow saffron
Add in custom reforges for Rogue
Reason: Right now rogue reforge prefixes are heavily based on ranged, making rogue feel like less of a unique standalone class.
viscid tiger
Sounds good
hollow saffron
Ok
unique vector
i would try to refrain from rogue-specific suggestions
due to the fact that the rogue update is the next major update
hollow saffron
Eh true
unique vector
termi personally is aware of this
radiant meadow
Accretion Disk 
hearty yew
Mephetic Sprayer
PhantomFuckYou
Spatial Lance
DraedonsExoblade
I don't remember a lot of the REALLY weird ones
queen sail
Items have internal names
radiant meadow
Blight spewer
smoky wagon
queen sail
Ataxia is still internally called Cruptix iirc
sand umbra
What's the Accretion Disk iirc--
radiant meadow
Ele disk
queen sail
Likewise perennial bars are still internally called draedon bars
radiant meadow
Icarus' Folly is one of the most confusing ones actually
ExtremeGravity is Icarus' Folly and ExtremeGrav is Extreme Gravity
sand umbra
...hold the fuck up a second--
radiant meadow
yes
sand umbra
terse sundial
what
terse sundial
this is why we don't want them to do onto the wiki
the only ones we put on there are really interesting ones
i.e Bumblefuck
radiant meadow
And it would be internal pain
terse sundial
it would take ages
radiant meadow
Too many
smoky wagon
is it possible to change them
terse sundial
you can always change somethings name
smoky wagon
it would take alot of work but if one is that particularly terrible it might be worth it?
like that seem like it could easily lead to a mishap
DoG inflicting icarus's folly
terse sundial
we just want cross content to go through Fabsol and not through the wiki
that's one reason why I don't want to put it on there
radiant meadow
Changing file names is more work than changing what the game calls it
terse sundial
^
civic pond
these names sound more like meme than anything else
terse sundial
it can be changed, it's just ass
smoky wagon
you have to update the name anywhere it is mentioned
terse sundial
yep
radiant meadow
Ye
terse sundial
goddamn astral orange projectile
radiant meadow
No real need though
smoky wagon
i mean if the coders are used to it so be it
radiant meadow
Oh my god, what the hyperius
sand umbra
smoky wagon
cosmic bison
you guys did a mess in internal names o.o''
in notepad++, have a command to rename a text in all files inside a folder
radiant meadow
Or just not do anything and it works perfectly fine
cosmic bison
well, always have an easier option ¯_(ツ)_/¯
loud steeple
something involving brimstone elemental in the files is about her boobs
civic pond
Have cute fishron gain its speed boost during rain.
First of all it kind of makes sense that it would, and would add small incentive to not use the torrential tear, and give this mount more use
terse sundial
alternatively, have the duke fishron lore item give the player the "wet" debuff
then you can maximize the effect without rain lag
ashen warren
That works too @civic pond
civic pond
wait the wet debuff gives cute fishron the boost? @terse sundial
terse sundial
yes
terse sundial
you can steal that suggestion if you like, I don't care
civic pond
eh
you kinda improved on it
:V
Have duke fishrons lore item inflict the "wet" debuff when using it.
This way the lore item can help maximize the effect of the shrimpy truffle and give more incentive to use the mount.
terse sundial
i see no problems with it
civic pond
👍
sand umbra
Something I've noticed:
zealous ridge
the only balance problem i see is that it would make some of the effects of the cute fishron mount obselete, such as giving the player a natural damage/speed bonus at all times (when on the mount) rather than at half health and below. there would also be no point to water boosters
sand umbra
Most of the suggestions that are genuinely good ideas are discussed at length in here first.
terse sundial
sand umbra
I'm not talking about yours hueh--
zealous ridge
civic pond
hueh
sand umbra
terse sundial
the mount is already pretty bad in rev+
zenith hazel
Have Calamitas spawn her 2nd brother (Catastrophe) at 50% of her HP and her Soul Seekers at 40% of her HP
Why? When Calamitas spawns her Soul Seekers, you'd usually try to target down the Seekers in order to make the fight somewhat easier. However, the problem with this is Calamitas sometimes get caught between your shots, meaning that enough damage would lead to her spawning Catastrophe while the Seekers are still alive, making the fight even more difficult because you'd have to deal with Catastrophe's charges and fireballs alongside the Life Seekers. Without a good AoE weapon, you'd usually have to deal with both him and the Seekers.
If Catastrophe spawns before the Seekers instead of after, it'd separate the 2 parts of the fight instead of combining both when you don't have a suitable weapon.
civic pond
what mount
terse sundial
you can't dodge things that easily with it
civic pond
o
zenith hazel
any opinions?
civic pond
stop typing and let me read
zealous ridge
i agree
terse sundial
especially with summoner where atleast one minion is targeting clone always
zenith hazel
alright, I'll go for it then
quiet lake
Anyone know why my 102 star does not have a checmark?
Arent they supposed to get a green check at 90?
zenith hazel
it will get a green check eventually when it gets sent to the dev server
ashen warren
Good time to remind that suggestions being sent to the dev server is still manually done at the moment, it'll be sent but it may not be right away if the people that send 'em are busy with other things at that time.
smoky wagon
i didnt even know gilded proboscis didnt heal off of provi
radiant meadow
it used to
radiant meadow
it doesn't anymore because yes
radiant meadow
you could probably snag quick heals during laser or spear phases
smoky wagon
provi flies over your character frequently
radiant meadow
also why tf does nebula armor even check for canghostheal 
smoky wagon
marble mirage
rip nebula
civic pond
for some reason i use vampire knives on provi and they work
i have to use proboscis on guardians though
ashen warren
So. There's a lamia vanity set, but I was thinking it'd be cool if there was a lamia version of the Siren's Heart, and maybe ones of other monsters like a medusa. Thinking about the lamia because the regular enemy's more detailed than the vanity is, but more monters would be fun.
swift bison
anyone other then me think that a config option to make it so DoG's sentinel phase still appears after his first kill is a good idea?
open wadi
i feel like the dog fight needs the sentinels so you get to hear the full song XD
zealous ridge
it cuts down time for the refights though, which makes grinding shorter
config would be cool though
civic pond
bruh
zealous ridge
- balance wise, that would completely change the fight
ashen warren
eow is also a pretty spaghetti mess under the hood
zealous ridge
hes getting a few changes next update too, to make him more interesting to fight
destroyer i mean
ashen warren
lets not turn destroyer into that
zealous ridge
i remember imagining what it would be like if destroyer had certain points in his armor that when killed split the destroyer (keeping a consistent health bar across all worms), i thought it would be a cool change for expert destroyer if relogic were ever going to overhaul him, but i dont think it fits here in calamity because calamity adds enough mechanics to him to make such a mechanic unnessecary
civic pond
x8
spiral olive
don't think that's actually supposed to be taken seriously
ashen warren
@empty geyser Rare variants usually function differently than the original, or have significant differences in what they can do. Saying that it should do the same with only a slight sprite alteration is kinda pointless
empty geyser
Um
The wiki says it “usually has different sprite or functions differently”
Pretty sure
Then would it be better if I suggested that the sprites of the summons also changed?
lost agate
No
empty geyser
lost agate
Thats just reskins for no reason whatsoever
All the other RIVs have at least some functionality changes
zealous ridge
if you included some real stat differences then maybe, but thats iffy because it could get too specific and become an "item" suggestion
empty geyser
So what would you suggest?
I mean, if we’re still discussing about it and not just putting a big fat no no to it, it’s still an open suggestion
zealous ridge
i guess what i would do, if i had to suggest it, would just be to simply suggest a rare item variant of the heart of the elements (potentially the RIV name) unless even that is too specific
reasoning i guess would be "rare item variant accessories are interesting, and HotE has a lot of potential to have a rare version of it"