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#suggestions-discussion
grizzled abyss
i thought if you resubmitted your own thing it didnt get a blue check
im confused
tired haven
I guess the suggestion did pass and was reposted by author without being aware about that
maiden eagle
Summoner proficiency is generally better than the others, but it can get really hard to use certain weapons with out the minion boost. Besides, it caps at 3 extra minions, which isn't terribly OP. But yeah, making the other ones better, like increasing Defense and DR for Melee, chance to not consume ammo for ranged, Maybe even reduce mana costs more for wizards, and stealth bonuses on rogues would help them immensely
opal barn
@verbal notch I would really appriciate if you would put the paintings in some sort of gallery, as it is now that just takes way too much space
like imgur for example
verbal notch
Ok thx
void kelp
@supple lodge iirc the reason why there aren’t certain vanities and trophies is bc there’s no sprite
hollow shell
Yeah that's always the reason
but nobody's really trying to sprite them anymore
or the ones that were sprited havent been submitted or implemented
so
they could use a reminder :P
void kelp
just about anyone can submit sprites for it?
hollow shell
Yes, the art server has a channel for it
void kelp
oooh
supple lodge
O ok
worthy fiber
I think an Adamantite Railgun has already been suggested
hollow shell
Its been suggested several times but surprisingly not delivered
worthy fiber
I think it just because people don't really use the Titanium Railgun in the first place
And that people don't really use Adamantite either
sand umbra
People don't use like half the stuff in vanilla.
Because what the fuck are alternatives amirite--
Nobody uses Adamantite because Titanium is just straight-up better.
worthy fiber
sand umbra
It shouldn't be because they're supposed to be alternatives, but.
Vanilla takes the word "alternative" way too loosely. 
hollow shell
Titanium Railgun is Calamity
but
vanilla material
sand umbra
mainly referring to Titanium armor's Shadow Dodge and the Titanium pickaxe having higher power here--
smoky wagon
Maybe Ion Blaster could exclusively use adamantine bars to balance it out
hollow shell
and make a Railgun upgrade at Apoctosis's tier
smoky wagon
yeah that could work
but i agree that titanium making a exclusive weapon makes no sense when the alternative can’t
hollow shell
Slight problem
Railgun is Ranged, Ion is Magic
sand umbra
smoky wagon
that doesnt bother me personally
void kelp
not using titanium railgun as a worm slayer
smoky wagon
its just the concept of a unique wepaon
void kelp
i'd love more railguns ngl
smoky wagon
hive mind drops 2 mage weapons, perfs drop 1
but perfs drop two more melees
it doesnt have to be perfectly equal
lost agate
Oh FUCK
hollow shell
I do like the concept of different playthroughs having a different amount of options
but many dont agree
candid mantle
Welp
lost agate
:cri:
hollow shell
How do you even do that
lost agate
Phone rarted
hollow shell
Dont use phone ever
lost agate
hollow shell
Android version has a warning message before you clear reactions
but no warning message before deleting a post
smoky wagon
oh mourningstar sugg got delievered
hollow shell
Clearly Nitro Boosting is higher priority
quiet abyss
lost agate
im sorry
opal barn
bruh
ashen warren
siren mask
i didnt know i wanted it but now i need it
faint needle
noooo why did aero get nerfeeeed
will hote also take the nerfed stats or keep them as it is
terse sundial
aero got nerfed if you combo it with the frog leg
same effect applies while wearing the HotE
terse sundial
yes
smoky wagon
The suggestion to nerf aero stone has le checkered flag
but it also says to buff vital jelly and grand gelatin
which i think is cool because grand gelatin gives a variety of boosts
radiant meadow
vital jelly was legit a worse aero stone
vital jelly should be better than aero stone, y'know?
because one is super early game and one is hardmode
faint needle
I'm good if aero stone stays the same tbh
radiant meadow
well, it's not 
radiant meadow
that's in the public update
next hotfix reduces the jump speed boost
but buffs vital jelly/grand gelatin
sand umbra
Vital Jelly is a pre-Hardmode accessory tho lol--
fervent zealot
third layer abyss isn't really phm
sand umbra
What do you mean it totally is.
Killing a Mirage Jelly with pre-Hardmode equipment is 300% possible.
Probably.
But yeah, there's no limit on when the Mirage Jelly can drop the various Grand Gelatin components.
Meaning if one has the strategy and gear to do so, Vital Jelly could theoretically be obtained pre-boss.
smoky wagon
Vital jelly nohit meta i suppose
sand umbra
¯_(ツ)_/¯
tawny tide
yes doing something entirely out of order to get an item you could easily just get later in the game by being patient totally makes that item drop intended for that earliest possible point
sand umbra
I'm aware the Vital Jelly is intended as a Hardmode item I'm just pointing out the possibility iirc--
tawny tide
i would love to see someone record themselves doing it tho because if it is actually possible itd be insanely impressive
sand umbra
The problem is
actually killing the thing.
It's like killing an Eidolist.
Dealing 12k health in Expert+ worth of damage with pre-boss equipment is 
tawny tide
lmao
radiant meadow
layer 1 is phm, layer 2 and 3 are hm, layer 4 is pml for purposes of the wiki
knotty current
i mean, dont you want to go as far down as you can to get the chests?
opal barn
rogue expansion is already planned btw @dense ferry
dense ferry
Oh, fine
distant gyro
@dense ferry Do you know about these 3 new weapons that fit the progression you said completely
Stellar Contempt - Pre-Provi
Galaxy Smasher - Pre-Darksun
Nanoblack Reaper - Endgame
opal barn
Nanoblack reaper = ranger?
distant gyro
it's rogue + melee iirc
opal barn
so not ranger
distant gyro
all these 3 weapons are
oh-
Ranger already has 4 weapons though-
why do you want more-
dense ferry
Well, it's more because I planned playing Ranged on my Rev run, but making Draliatornus is really hard
ruby cobalt
exo gun
distant gyro
and there's 3 weapons in that tier
opal barn
exo gun
exo gun
ruby cobalt
the tooltip didn't set you off?
distant gyro
not really, actually
noble sonnet
layer two is in no way hm in my opinion
all the weapons that you get there are phm
and also the enemies are easy to fight if you have the right equipment
frankly the whole "layer one" isn't a layer, it's just empty space with some crappy enemies that don't give jackshit in terms of items
thank you
queen delta
Enemies spawn in layer 1?
golden kayak
I mean, it is easy to get up to Lumenyl layer in pre-hm.
golden kayak
After that I always was almost blind and was eaten by Eels.
golden kayak
4th is fine, but I can't see Reapers and get hit a lot. Hunter does not work 
Dat Joke 
queen delta
You became a meel
warm tinsel
Guys
I just thought... This.
A Post-SCal potion buff?
Like, Yharon has the Drakonian
faint needle
Well
warm tinsel
She can have the Calamitous Concoction?
golden kayak
Concowhat
warm tinsel
And it would be helpful for both Yharim and Boss Rush
warm tinsel
Let's see
faint needle
no im meaning
does it do a special effect like draconian or does it just buff stats like yharim stimulants
warm tinsel
Having your attacks inflict a SCal debuff? Like Vulnerability Hex, then burning alive enemies and boosting overall damage?
So it would inflict both Brimstone Flames and Vulnerability Hex?
radiant meadow
More rogue options for Providence is already planned @dense ferry
warm tinsel
Yeah
I fought her with celestus and scarlet devil my second time
Rogue
And... We may need more
radiant meadow
There's plenty of shadowspec rogue weapons
queen delta
The strongest dev weapon doesnt count?
faint needle
before beating scal
queen delta
Wasnt it already mentioned that rogue expansion is happening?
queen delta
How do you know they’re not coming?
faint needle
I want confirmation
radiant meadow
Afaik there are no planned exo rogue weapons
Idk about patron items
faint needle
oof
ashen warren
you can get confirmation by waiting until the update comes out too
faint needle
That may take some time
ashen warren
is that a problem tho
queen delta
Patience
ashen warren
"Patience is a virtue."
lost agate
^
golden kayak
Wasn't this suggested before?
civic pond
not this one specificly
hollow saffron
Lmao so many rogue weapon suggestions
civic pond
i only see one
hollow saffron
Isn't the expansion planned already
civic pond
and yes it kinda is
golden kayak
201 is coming.
lost agate
Prepare
lost agate
Lol
lost agate
Patience my man
lost agate
opal barn
the rogue update changes every yoyo to be rogue damage, that's the whole update have fun
civic pond
no
lost agate
Bruh
faint needle
lost agate
Guess bricks are yoyos now 😔
sand umbra
the bruh
sand umbra
b
warm dock
BIRBS ARE CRAZY FAST
sand umbra
Yo-yos don't even fit rogue damage lel--
sand umbra
Rogue isn't throwing. :v
civic pond
Yoyos and rogue stealth dont mix at all
civic pond
Because yoyos whole gimmick is constant damage
And rogue stealth doesn't like that apparently
opal barn
they do but you just don't know it yet
civic pond
golden kayak
civic pond
i'll just stick to my flails then..
faint needle
Everything melee should be rogue besides swords
lost agate
Nothing too deadly and stealthy from smacking something with a yoyo
civic pond
ok
opal barn
imagine if an assassin would be right behind you right now, and smacked you with a yoyo
would hurt right
faint needle
civic pond
and nanoblack reaper is somehow stealthy
lost agate
Smh
lost agate
You blind your foes with the dust
civic pond
opal barn
yo what the fuck is this, get back on topic
civic pond
Right away 
sand umbra
civic pond
i think this latest suggestion would be important
because i see some suggs get implemented instantly
and others.. well i have no clue what happens to them 
oh come on
really
bitter topaz
what
civic pond
@warm dock why
bitter topaz
@warm dock please don't suggest weapons
those got barred due to an overwhelming amount of them, and them never getting in
golden kayak
opal barn
I like how the only complaint you had about it was that it was a weapon suggestion
golden kayak
I tried to suggest a RIV for summoner tho.
It got 90, but never wss sent because FARRRRGO
warm dock
i am stupid
opal barn
it was sent afaik
civic pond
weapon suggs weren't banned
zealous ridge
specific weapon suggestions were banned
opal barn
was it anubis?
terse sundial
anubis was sent
unique vector
vro bidoof you had one job
civic pond
it was anubis iirc
terse sundial
its that last one of its kind to be sent
golden kayak
Oh yeah I checked it was, thanks @opal barn
civic pond
warm dock
i am never going to be in this server cus you may ban me
golden kayak
(It will not be implemented tho)
terse sundial
its not a bannable offense
civic pond
all you had to do was discuss it here first
warm dock
i know
unique vector
anyway yes, @warm dock do try to keep your suggestion in one message instead of several messages, and try to refer to the suggestion rules pinned in #suggestions-discussion and #suggestions-voting before making one
terse sundial
just make sure to read the pins here next time
civic pond
pins 
unique vector
and no, you wont be banned, what you are doing is far from bannable
zealous ridge
yeah, everything is cool holden, just try to read up on making suggestions
golden kayak
Memes are more likely to be banned than that.
zealous ridge
mhm
unique vector
if it doesnt have shadowspec bars, sure
unique vector
thats fine
ashen warren
Buff the eye of the golem and its upgrades increase the critical hit modifier to above 2X
Increasing crit chance by 10 percent is a rather boring effect for an accessory gotten post-golem.
Making these accessories boost the crit chance multiplier is an easy way to make them more unique and powerful, and since it eventually becomes the ranged exclusive damage accessory more crit damage fits with the sharpshooter nature of the ranger class.
smoky wagon
10% crit boost is quite alot
you always make it into the destroyer emblem anyway so that would be better to rebalance
golden kayak
It's a whole potion
smoky wagon
sniper scope is good as is and doesn't need a buff
ashen warren
Do any vanilla things increase crit chance multiplier?
smoky wagon
no
warm tinsel
Okay so.
Calamitous Concoction
Tooltip:
Greatly increases overall DPS and armor penetration
Slightly decreases your defense
Slightly increases crit chance by x
All attacks inflict Vulnerability Hex and Abyssal Flames
Buff Tooltip:
"The power of the witch bursts in your body."
Sold by the Drunk Princess NPC after Supreme Calamitas is defeated.
smoky wagon
an item that boosted crit chance by "x_" would need to be very moderate
like "x1.1" or "x1.2"
warm tinsel
Is it good?
loud steeple
It's post scal so mabye that x could be 1.5
loud steeple
Ahh
warm tinsel
Nothing said bout potions iirc
golden kayak
Potion should be fine ?¿?
cerulean vault
What you have is pretty specific even if the stats aren't fully specified
terse sundial
unless it's absoultly groundbreaking, specific item suggestions are disallowed
warm tinsel
Oh
smoky wagon
@wraith geode a leviathan resprite is a WiP
warm tinsel
Then how can I do it?
wraith geode
Oh, ok.
smoky wagon
yeah it looked close to completion
animation is omega oof though
it will be awhile
terse sundial
Say, Add a Post-SCal potion the benefits all classes or something down those lines
warm tinsel
I dunno, it just felt like it belonged if I made it vague
Well, it just imbues weapons crit and damage and lowers your def
Not really specific tbh
I sincerely got the idea from Draconic Elixir lol
wraith geode
So it's just a super powered Tipsy buff?
ashen warren
Since people seem to think those accessories are already decent, should i change my suggestion to be a more vague:
Add a way for rangers to increase their critical hit damage multiplier?
golden kayak
Why only Rangers?
warm tinsel
Slightly decreases defense and slightly increases dps and crit
Like, x1.5 but not specifed for the sake of devs
Is it THAT specific?
I mean, since it's SCal I added the Vulnerability Hex and the brimmy
wraith geode
Any numbers is too specific.
golden kayak
Numbers are bad.
warm tinsel
Like, the only number I put was the water bottle like every potion lol
Only one needed
cerulean vault
Recipes are also too specific, even if only materials are suggested and no numbers given
wraith geode
I... I can't even. You can recommend tier, a general effect, but specifics, even recipes are a no-go.
smoky wagon
"a post-scal potion that increases offensive stats but lowers defensive stats"
something along those lines
warm tinsel
Well, I tried to recall SCal with Death, Fire and Night
I'll just remove em and only keep the Calamitous Essence then
wraith geode
Exactly! With an effect similar to Tipsy, it could be sold by the Drunken Princess post-SCAL. But any recipe is a no.
warm tinsel
Oh okay then, got it! I'll remove em, so the suggestion is valid, right?
smoky wagon
yes
just specificy post-scal
devs can decide if it will be crafted or bought or whatever
warm tinsel
I'll copy that real quick into the suggestion channel
wraith geode
Post-Scal Consumable that greatly lowers defence, but greatly boosts damage.
That's all we need.
loud steeple
Add a permanent buff to the player when they defeat scal for the first time as a victory for beating the (hopefully entire) mod,it would move to the next strongest boss if/when a stronger boss then scal gets in the mod.
Thoughts on that?
loud steeple
Mabye confetti could shoot out randomly?
golden kayak
Uhhhhhh
No
warm tinsel
That would be dropped by Xeroc and Noxus-
wraith geode
Eh... Do you know how infuriating that would be while building?
proven tide
@warm tinsel specific item suggestions are not allowed
loud steeple
It wouldn't be every 5 seconds
golden kayak
It's unnecesary
terse sundial
imo the suggestion is still too specific
warm tinsel
@proven tide I discussed with you guys for a buff tho, not craftable
If it still is please tell me what to change
terse sundial
sure, ideas are fun in all, but really think about how necessary it is
we already have plenty of powerful buffs
proven tide
Remove the item suggestion first 
wraith geode
Facepalm
If it lists effects, no-go.
warm tinsel
I'd just like to face Boss Rush and Yharim with a special buff from SCal
proven tide
That's my first suggestion
terse sundial
still though, it is pretty specific
proven tide
I think Boss Rush would remove those buffs anyway
warm tinsel
And since it's her... Vulnerability Hex would be good?
terse sundial
Vuln hex doesn't do anything to enemies rn
literally nothing, ofc that can be changed
warm tinsel
Oh, then only Abyssal Flames?
queen delta
What do you guys think about putting sniper scope in the elemental quiver recipe? Turning off visibility will disable sniper scope
terse sundial
Calamitas Brew already does that Ferox
warm tinsel
Only melee tho
golden kayak
And rogue?
golden kayak
Ok ty.
terse sundial
@queen delta Sniper Scope used to be a part of the Deadalus Emblem, and used to have the scope ability
it was removed though a while back, not sure if it should come back
warm tinsel
So my suggestion was meant as a tipsy buff but with a QoL brimmy inflict to EVERY class
But eh, you actually said it, is it needed really?
terse sundial
and that's a good idea, but rn specific item suggestions like that aren't allowed
you could generalize it, or abandon the idea
wraith geode
A Post-SCAL buff akin to Tipsy, trading defense for an attack boost.
Something like this would work.
Edit: Autocorrect.
terse sundial
That's general enough
warm tinsel
Post-SCal Potion
Greatly increases overall DPS and armor penetration.
Greatly decreases your defense.
Sold by the Drunk Princess NPC after Supreme Calamitas is defeated.
terse sundial
drop the name, drop the tooltip and buff
terse sundial
a method of obtaining could also go, but it looks fine-ish to me
warm tinsel
Like, x.xx% of dropping from SCal?
Idea shot down, for the best
wraith geode
No!
terse sundial
I mean, don't add how it's obtained, as if it does get accepted, that method is more then likely to be changed
golden kayak
Just
Add endgame potion.
End.
warm tinsel
Okay then, I'll leave it to the devs, lemme copy that quickly
The crit chance can still be added or is it too specific?
golden kayak
Leave it like this.
warm tinsel
Okay
golden kayak
Maybe even delete obtain thing.
wraith geode
This is... on the edge. I can't tell if this will fly in its current state, as is.
zealous ridge
perhaps a why? like why should a post-scal potion be added
terse sundial
a "why" would be good to have
warm tinsel
Well, I'd want to get a reasonable buff after her to face the rush myself with a balanced power tier
And I can leave the idea to you guys, I can remove it and let you polish it to be actually decent
And it would be nice to have a Post-SCal buff in general, as some taste-able empowerment
terse sundial
just because a suggestion is sent or gets enough stars doesn't mean it will be implemented
warm tinsel
Instead of a perma buff that I can't even think of
zealous ridge
just a buff that increases damage output? okay then... in my opinion, that would be a bit boring but i can see it being helpful for BR
warm tinsel
It also decreases defense, a balanced tipsy
terse sundial
I wouldn't be opposed to informing people of rejections that have been completely rejected
whether that's from an emote/reaction or me, Rover, and Termi telling people directly
warm tinsel
Ah yes adding a ❌ react, I want to see actual rejections
golden kayak
^
warm tinsel
"Nerf boss cuz it is not good to me"
Rejected, utterly rejected
terse sundial
I mean sent suggestions that are rejected
zealous ridge
maybe it could be a pre-programmed bot DM
terse sundial
not your typical suggestion that gets 4 stars
warm tinsel
Yep
golden kayak
Yeah.
warm tinsel
A bot that pings you in private: your suggestion has been rejected/sent/approved
golden kayak
So it's a Flag's opposite.
wraith geode
Indeed.
terse sundial
or we could just dm people
terse sundial
a bot would be fine, but i'm not opposed to just telling people that it isn't going to happen
warm tinsel
The bot would be faster and accurate, I wouldn't want to waste the devs time DMing peeps one by one
golden kayak
Just do not DM.
terse sundial
i'm not a dev, yet I send in these suggestions
warm tinsel
I mean the actual accepted suggestion
The bot would ping the user in a different channel then
wraith geode
Let's just... leave this topic alone for now?
warm tinsel
Yeah
terse sundial
i could always tell people no, adding a ❌ to suggestions is another thing I could do yeah
warm tinsel
Yeah, the X would be fantastic
And what if people actually voted the opposite of a star to reach an X?
wraith geode
So, Democracy.
terse sundial
we aren't going to have a downvote
zealous ridge
so some trolls could downvote and get a suggestion immediately nullified
terse sundial
you star the suggestion you like, you ignore the suggestion you don't like
that's how it goes
warm tinsel
True, did not think about that possibility
I'll just ignore then
wraith geode
This system is fine. Sure, improvement can be made, but Rome wasn't built in a day.
golden kayak
We use ! to ban some of suggestions anyway.
zealous ridge
not how it works but it is kind of used to indicate somethings fishy with a suggestion in some cases
terse sundial
no, the exclimation point is to show that we haven't reviewed the suggestion yet
its not a downvote
zealous ridge
yeah
warm tinsel
Let's not use Rome, I'm italian and my peeps saw it burn lol, bad example
wraith geode
It's a figure of speech.
warm tinsel
Yeah but if it's meant for a long-term system it's... Bad luck lol
wraith geode
Ah, forget it.
warm tinsel
Ye
By the way
Since the reward for finishing BR is gonna be Xeroc
Would Noxus just get into existence after Yharim is "defeated"?
devout seal
Nah, it'd be summoned.
zenith hazel
a super glass cannon potion? yikes
civic pond
on top of DSA and RTN
tawny tide
just add a relic akin to arma that makes you die in one hit but do 500% damage ez game
(thats the worst idea ever dont do that)
zenith hazel
sure, let’s make nohitters shred BR even more because not like scarlet devil is strong enough as it is already
casually it can be good for like really good players but still
warm tinsel
Summoning Noxus, I feel like a dark egg would need to be the summoning item for some existential reason
civic pond
hm..
tawny tide
question; why did they remove the old crags in the first place
terse sundial
because it was slow on gerenation and it was impractacle
tawny tide
ah
terse sundial
have fun fighting the Brimstone Elemental in that
tawny tide
i understand the changes generally then but i do still kinda hope they improve on the current crags
yknow just have a little more stuff in them
signal prairie
Config file option it's optional
zenith hazel
that terrain looked nice but super hard to fight brimmy in ngl
so it depends on players
tawny tide
yeah i was just asking why they removed it bc i never got a good answer before
radiant meadow
I think it took a long time to generate
civic pond
it did
sinful violet
it broke gen
queen sail
Case in short: took two eons to generate, impractical to fight brimmy in, and could fuck some gen
The only counterpoint i heard someone say is that it gave the crags an identity instead of the flatass gen it is now
But, like
signal prairie
Maybe lower it in terms of blocks, like have the eye thing hit the bottom of the world and have the spires not go up as much
queen sail
Is it really worth to wait two million years just to say “Wow! Cool!”
tawny tide
functionality is probably more important than it having an identity
so i would prefer to play on new crags than old
but i still wish new crags had more personality
is all im saying
queen sail
I remember leaving my world to gen the old crags and went downstairs to microwave, then eat, some noodles and come back upstairs only to find it still generating
It took that long
tawny tide
yikes
queen delta
yikes indeed
signal prairie
Plus you gotta remember, Calamity has a lot more devs, they could easily modify the code that is already there for the old ones and make them much more optimistic coding on generating them
queen sail
I don’t know who coded the old crags gen but whoever did probably made it worse than any line of redcode
signal prairie
I don't think you read what I just said
radiant meadow
Old source isn't saved
queen sail
I wasn’t responding to you
tawny tide
just because theres more of them doesnt mean they can fix it really
it may have just had to do with base game interacting poorly with it
thats why id rather they just spruce up new crags
than bring back old ones
radiant meadow
Reminder that most devs are spriters
lost agate
Putting that much effort into remaking old world gen AND making it a config is uuuuuuuh
And old crags just look like a illuminati joke
civic pond
radiant meadow
Probably like 80% sprite, 10% test, 1% music, 5% program, 4% other
signal prairie
When the old generation was created, Calamity's dev team was much smaller. Nowadays, they have a helluva lot of good devs, they could easily remake it and have it generater much faster
queen sail
Did you
lost agate
Again, not even half of them are programmers
tawny tide
5% program yikes
civic pond
ok but overall is this suggestion really NEEDED
queen sail
Not hear the part where he said the team was spriters
civic pond
unique vector
like 5% of the dev team is programmers
terse sundial
also like, why have the crags be generated like that if the player is just gonna terraform it anyways to make a brimstone elemental arena
lost agate
^
terse sundial
its a waste of time
tawny tide
regardless of how easy itd be to remake old crags, its just kinda pointless when theres all kinds of NEW content they could be working on
like say
queen sail
Rn the major programmers (i can think from the top of my head) are ozz, terry, and fab
tawny tide
new additions to new crags
radiant meadow
Phup too
terse sundial
everyone always forgets phup
signal prairie
Maybe lower it in terms of blocks, like have the eye thing hit the bottom of the world and have the spires not go up as much
queen sail
Then again terry does whatever he wants
radiant meadow
And there are plans to expand the crags in the future iirc
queen sail
You realize it probably took years to gen because of all the slopes from the spires and the eye in the middle, right
lost agate
No
queen sail
:wrath:
terse sundial
nope
signal prairie
And there are plans to expand the crags in the future iirc O rly?
radiant meadow
It's not like next update smh
tawny tide
sunken sea is fine i think
mostly anyway
its just very easily ignored if youre trying to get through the game quickly
queen sail
It’s fine if you wanna build a base there
But otherwise there’s very little in it
Save for the most broken harpoon flail in the mod
lost agate
Anyway, making old worldgen, where theres is no chests, which is what most people go to crags for AND theres literally no charred ore, its not the best idea at least imo
And some people may not even care about old worldgen
queen sail
Honestly I wasn’t concerned with the old gen
I was less concerned about how cool the spikes and the eye looked and more concerned about ”How in the flying fuck am I meant to fight brimmy in this?”
queen sail
The spikes really get in the way tbh
signal prairie
The Crags atm are the most boring, lackluster, lazy, eyesore, and most forgotten thing in hell because of the fact that
A.) There is nothing there that you don't have.
B.) Only used for a single boss and that's it.
C.) The Generation of them is so bland and boring it makes me not even want to fight Brimstone Elemental because it's so bland
queen sail
If you want a biome that exists for no reason then you can speak to glacier
tawny tide
idk if i agree with any of those tbh especially with the absolutely amazing new block sprites
its just empty is all
smoky wagon
brimstone slag got a resprite so the biome looks alot cooler
queen sail
Crags may feel empty but they don’t feel soulless
smoky wagon
its not like the biome isn't useful because it is
sand umbra
New Brimstone Slag resprite is hot.
civic pond
also isn't the place SUPPOSED to be desolate..?
smoky wagon
brimstone crags just need some more unique enemy types more than anything, three enemies the whole time is repetitive as hell
sand umbra
Yeah.
plush locust
For some weird reason all the mobs in the crags feel really weak
Like, they can take half the hits average mobs in the surface can take
civic pond
the spawn rates down there are shitty
queen sail
Crags need an expansion more than anything
civic pond
tawny tide
yeah except they also rip your throat out
civic pond
oh really
tawny tide
so i cant go two seconds buildin my arena without getting like three tapped by lasers and big rocks
sand umbra
The Crags do need an expansion, really.
civic pond
lower spawnrates
tawny tide
and yes i understand that theyre supposed to be desolate in context
queen sail
They need more shit, not the return of old shit
tawny tide
but the desolate remains of a once city is not the same as "there is nothing here"
signal prairie
It needs an entire rework of the biome, generation, enemies, structures, bosses.
lost agate
Uh
smoky wagon
civic pond
sand umbra
Personally, I would do something with the Crags if I wasn't already focusing on the in-my-opinion-infinitely-cooler Astral Infection and also if I had any idea how to start with the Crags.
lost agate
Why would you rework brimmy
queen sail
Give the Sunken Seas an actual boss because it’s lifeless and empty
tawny tide
brimmy is one of the best bosses in the mod gp wise imo
queen sail
civic pond
astral takes higher priority for content to me
signal prairie
I didn't mean rework brim
dusty stirrup
Crags will get a rework in the future anyway
tawny tide
dope
smoky wagon
bloating a biome with too much content makes it feel like a chore
look at the jungle
sand umbra
queen sail
Tbf jungle is relevant in the lore
smoky wagon
jungle has too much crammed into it
tawny tide
thats good
smoky wagon
alot of the vanilla jungle content should be spread out
tawny tide
it feels packed with content
smoky wagon
well its an unrealistic standard for most biomes
civic pond
and then we have the corruption.
civic pond
which is probably relevant through mid hardmode and then dies
tawny tide
so it makes sense
civic pond
lost agate
I mean, theres literally 2 sub biomes packed in the jungle
queen sail
If you want unrealistic standards just remember that the hallow is solely a soul of light and other hallow material farm
dusty stirrup
They gave too much attention to jungle
lost agate
Byeah
sand umbra
Hallow needs more content.
lost agate
After mechs you literally go to the jungle non stop
queen sail
Relogic had 2 major updates to add shit to the hallow and all they did was give it a mimic
smoky wagon
even-post ml you have to go to the jungle for things
signal prairie
Crags will get a rework in the future anyway thank you for sharing that, and maybe the devs could mix the old and new Gen so create something good
sand umbra
||It's why Titania exists in CCC and it's why I intend to give more shit to the Hallow even well past her.||
sleek wadi
Jungle has fucking everything
civic pond
wtf is purity break
lost agate
Why are you so obsessed with old crags smh
tawny tide
^
smoky wagon
queen bee, plant, golem, PBG, birb, yharon
civic pond
oh i forgot those 2
sleek wadi
You could remove the desert, ocean, and snow biome from vanilla and nothing would be lost.
civic pond
sand umbra
It's basically a stronger combo of Ichor and Cursed Flames.
tawny tide
maybe i only defend the jungle bc its got my all time favourite boss but i still think its fine that its got so much in it
sand umbra
Nothing will inflict it until at least post-Plantera though lel--
lost agate
Better than being lackluster ig
sand umbra
Jungle has a ton of shit.
civic pond
ok if anything needs more stuff its probably the ice biome
lost agate
looks at spider nests
queen sail
That’s relogic’s fault more than anything
sand umbra
Why don't the other biomes have that much?
civic pond
sand umbra
The Snow biome literally has nothing aside from maybe Cryogen.
tawny tide
ice biome has stuff tho
smoky wagon
calamity adds substance to the ocean desert and snow which is good
civic pond
ehh
smoky wagon
in vanilla those biomes have very little to offer
sand umbra
^
lost agate
Desert is a fucking pain in the ass ,thats what
smoky wagon
ocean has another boss and i honestly consider piss sea an ocean expansion
civic pond
tomb crawlers
tawny tide
i like 1.3 desert
civic pond
sand umbra
nobody:
a random Cnidrion: "/flop"
queen sail
Sand worm hell
smoky wagon
snow has eleum+cryonic and cryogen
smoky wagon
desert has sunken sea, victide, desert scourge, and forbidden fragment items
zenith hazel
because yharim
tawny tide
and that
civic pond
oh yes that guy
sand umbra
Why DOES the Jungle have six bosses.
sand umbra
Also why are the Mechanical Bosses the source of Hallowed Bars.
civic pond
or some other reason
sand umbra
civic pond
Yeah that never made sense either..
zenith hazel
if you think about it, like half of the jungle bosses rn revolve around yharim
tawny tide
i assumed it was the metal theyre made from
sand umbra
That never made sense to me.
zenith hazel
PBG, birb, yharon
civic pond
tawny tide
bc plantera is metal and likes grenades
zenith hazel
technically golem too but eh
lost agate
Ok lemme give you a little history explanation of the mechs
civic pond
sand umbra
Then again I suppose I shouldn't be asking considering this is a game where a giant battery-powered rock is of the same power level as a soul-possessed flower, the strongest thing in the world is the Man in the Moon, and eyes can fly.
Welcome to Terraria.
civic pond
ok battery powered rock sucks iirc
queen sail
When draedon was a wee little lad, he was bored and crafted terrifying, monstrous death machines to play with until he lost them
—Mech Boss lore
tawny tide
draedon is a bad scientist because his bosses are unfair
civic pond
lost agate
1.1 mechs: we got souls, combine these with all 3 hardmode ore armors, why not
A few updates later: Shit, people dont like having to farm so much for a lackluster armor, should we buff it? Nah lets make mechs drop fucken hallowed bars, also have 3 new HM ore armors
sand umbra
what the bruh
lost agate
And thats how hallowed bars exist
civic pond
god that hurts to read
queen sail
Yeah uhhh
tawny tide
hallowed armor was made absolutely unusable as soon as chloro was added to the game
sand umbra
...excuse me while I make a new material drop for the Mechs--
queen sail
In hindsight i’m beginning to feel like relogic is uhhhhh
tawny tide
so ive never understood why it still exists
queen sail
Have no sense of direction
tawny tide
also before people start pissing on relogic for having some issues with their game
sand umbra
funny thing is i ||did exactly that with Titania hueh||
tawny tide
to be entirely fair terraria has a lot more really good content than bad useless content
lost agate
It may be the fact that alternate HM armors also started existing
sleek wadi
Have all ores in the hallow V get turned into Hallow ore ez
tawny tide
u keep mentioning it
that would be awful what
lmao
just generate it fresh in the hallow v
civic pond
miniboss
sand umbra
||Have you looked at the CCC doc. I may or may not have desgined a boss.||
civic pond
tawny tide
i looked at it but i never read the entire thing
sand umbra
shut
tawny tide
its fairly large if u havent checked
queen sail
...oh
sand umbra
i've put thought and effort into this
lost agate
Anyway, the topic got a lil out of hand
queen sail
I also put thought and effort into my story and guess what
civic pond
right away
lost agate
So lets get on topic
sand umbra
Anywho we should probably
get on topic and shit.
queen sail
Ye ye
civic pond
so uh
queen sail
Uhhhhh
civic pond
depending on the suggestion
queen sail
Suggestions
sleek wadi
3 biomes have jackshit for content, lets fix that
queen sail
Uhhhhh
lost agate
Some get implemented literally when they get sent
queen sail
Supreme mana pot was a suggest, daily reminder
civic pond
or already planned
worthy fiber
Or just both easy and necessary
queen sail
Up to the testers
queen sail
Ehhh
civic pond
but if they have a lot on there hands im fine with that 
queen sail
It depends on who’s on
lost agate
i mean, you dont wanna know what happens to some suggestions
lost agate
Perhaps
sleek wadi
Wait so you know how Uelibloom spawns in the jungle and how Providence is fought in the hallow? Why not move Uelibloom to either whatever is currently Hallow or the Hallow V?
civic pond
honestly i'd be fine with that
sleek wadi
Whatever is currently hallow would make it easy to find while Hallow V will make sure it always has a place to spawn
civic pond
shit
worthy fiber
Resprite & aesthetic change would be needed
lost agate
Byeah
sand umbra
And also we'd lose the Elderberry.
Daily reminder that the Elderberry requires Uelibloom Bars.
sleek wadi
Still wondering how death of sun god translates to fucking fossils
sand umbra
Also you'd have to rebalance literally everything created with Uelibloom.
Which is uh.
A fuckton of stuff.
lost agate
Because shes literally made of organic matter
sleek wadi
I ain't asking for a full-blown reworking of Uelibloom, just have it moved to Hallow
queen sail
@sleek wadi something something prov’s death causes a burst of solar energy that causes hidden plants to grow
worthy fiber
zealous ridge
uelibloom is just an plant that grew after providence's release of light energy (being a god of fire) resulting from her death
sleek wadi
Well there goes that idea. I did have an idea for mini-bosses that would spawn post-DoG in the snow and evil biomes that would drop Endothermic Energy and Nightmare Fuel respectively, but now that Dragon Egg is in Ancient Manip there isn't much point to that.
queen sail
Tbh i wouldn’t mind the devs revamping/adding to the buffed events in post ml
I do know that there’s planned resprites for post dog pumpking and ice queen though
psst the post dog pumpking sprite is being worked on in the art server
zealous ridge
im not sure if those are exactly official anymore but yeah some people are working on that
civic pond
zealous ridge
exciting
tawny tide
new pumpking sprites? 
queen sail
Lemme find a better one, actually
unique vector
brittle merlin
...just go on another world
lost agate
I generated 3 fucking worlds once, explored all the surface and never got a damn climbing claws, so i agree
lost agate
Bruh
civic pond
brittle merlin
i almost never get shoe spikes
tawny tide
i got 4 shoe spikes and zero climbing claws on my current world
and i hate the idea of having to farm more than one world for literally anything
lost agate
Recipe could be as simple as lead/iron bars for the claws and maybe add like some tungsten silver for the shoes
Since shoes are found deeper
civic pond
smh,..,
we can craft giant laser cannons and weapons of mass destruction but we cant craft a shoe with some spikes
worthy fiber
I think the bar tiles are just a low-priority thing right now
Also the only bars you can place atm are the astral bars
dusty stirrup
They had sprites at some point for a placeable version
queen sail
@cursive gate :sproot:
dusty stirrup
but that never went anywhere
worthy fiber
sand umbra
loud steeple
brittle merlin
Wasn’t that the suggestion directly above
civic pond
bruh
brittle merlin
That also isn’t a good reason why it should be able to be placed
zenith hazel
because it would make them line up with magic storage? speech 100
worthy fiber
smh
lost agate
@dreamy quartz the suggestion literally above yours is the same thing
smoky wagon
loud steeple
@dreamy quartz did you have a stroke typing that?
radiant meadow
please do show respect and don't poke fun at people like that
lost agate
Yeah, i was just pointing out that fact, no need to poke fun at him
zenith hazel
awesome reason ngl
brittle merlin
You’ve convinced me
queen delta
cant argue with that
mystic grotto
Ima just put this out there because I've been playing a lot of The Craft
It'd be cool if there was a cursor option that made the cursor contrast to whatever background it's over at the moment. Similar to the Minecraft crosshair which turns whiter as it goes over dark objects and darker as it goes over light objects. Obviously this is low priority but it'd be a nice QOL change.
plucky prairie
some form of axe/hamaxe thats at least uelibloom tier because there is a lack of axes and hammers that're better than the vanilla ones with only like 1 or 2 exceptions
has a use
signal prairie
That reason can't be beat man
pliant bone
blazing dawn
Rather surprised that the Calamity Crimson/Corruption Bosses don't have armor upgrades towards the normal Crimson/Corruption Armors
maiden eagle
@plucky prairie yeah, I was just thinking the same thing. Only one I saw was the grax, which is not a terrible hassle to get, but many people probably get the feller of evergreens for the summon weapon, not The grax.
placid girder
Raiders talisman rework where it stacks faster but you lose your stacks on hit because stacking before a bossfight for a boost is just tedious and makes playing rogue a lot worse and doesn't actually require any skill. If its too strong for pre hm lock fast stacking to hm.
radiant meadow
statis' ninja belt is rogue's mid hardmode accessory though
queen sail
Tbf it’s both summon and rogue, not just rogue
sand umbra
Statis' Ninja Belt gets turned into the Summoner insta-kill accessory though so
faint needle
what about a pirate invasion expansion?
distant gyro
Proporse Pistol upgrade
faint needle
cause as of now its one of the most useless events that only succeds in saving you some money unless you plan on using coin gun
which is also meh
distant gyro
there's Arbalest but like imagine farming pirates
zenith hazel
yeah but... pirates
distant gyro
Pirates are kinda boring ngl
distant gyro
frost legion doesn't even do anything in vanilla, nor are they any more interesting
zenith hazel
both events are just there
distant gyro
just an achievement for the sake of achievement
worthy fiber
Just things to do with no real impact
zenith hazel
the seasonal moons are actually helpful
faint needle
yeah
worthy fiber
The seasonal moons are the only good events tbh
worthy fiber
All of them should've followed the Seasonal moon format
Would've made the player actually try, rather than just trudge through it
faint needle
also ravager has a good enough design and im pretty sure you can see the bones in his design and the brown thing is rotten flesh or something
not sure
zenith hazel
isn't it meant to be like... "ugly" anyway?
zenith hazel
it's probably what keeps the flesh together, stops it from oozing out maybe
faint needle
yeah
worthy fiber
@normal thorn That's one's being redesigned in the future
normal thorn
Oh okay, sorry
normal thorn
I shoul delete?
faint needle
oh really?
normal thorn
Should*
faint needle
will brimmy get a redesign too?
worthy fiber
Yeah, eventually
faint needle
noice
normal thorn
Crag just seems kinda meh
Its hard to get to, looks bad and too dangerous
Hope it will get reworked
hearty yew
@normal thorn Ravager is an undead robot. It's a flesh golem, a reanimated monster made of a mix of steel, bones and flesh
Powered by tormented souls too, I think
It's basically robo necromancy
normal thorn
Its body was an unbreakable rampart of bone still blazing with an inferno of black magic, and its weaponry sufficient to equip an army.
No steel here?
faint needle
thats just the ig lore afaik
worthy fiber
Doesn't mean there shouldn't be steel 🤷
normal thorn
Where can i see full?
faint needle
ask in #lore-discussion maybe