suggestions-discussion

[civic pond]

do buff/debuff icons even darken at nighttime?

[queen sail]

[mystic grotto]

SRSMG (Space Reaper Shark Machine Gun)

[civic pond]

i dont see why not

[opal barn]

don't think they do

[civic pond]

yeah

[queen sail]

Increase brightness

[civic pond]

i dont really see the point of that sugg

[queen sail]

[civic pond]

[opal barn]

but I guess it can be hard to see them for some people?

[civic pond]

i guess

but if they dont darken

wouldn't nighttime make them easier to see

shrug

[queen sail]

Well the prov one to make her cocoon flame phase turn the bg gray was nice

[civic pond]

oh yeah.

[queen sail]

Helps people see the flames better

[civic pond]

also on the subject of the babybells and sea minnows

i dont see really see any reason why not

[queen sail]

Yeah

As of rn they just serve to enforce the sunken sea’s nature as a peaceful environment

[lost agate]

We need sprites to begin with

[queen sail]

Point

[lost agate]

One for the item, and other for the cage

[civic pond]

i see.

[lost agate]

Critters are very demanding

[queen sail]

I suppose it’s just two critters but ah

Anims, i suppose

[civic pond]

[golden kayak]

Oof, read all the thing
That took more than it should've.

[brittle merlin]

why did you post it twice?

[cobalt ferry]

Because lag

Because lag

[brittle merlin]

that sucks

[hollow saffron]

@cobalt ferry good idea\\\\\

[smoky wagon]

No its not a good idea because it makes aquamarine staff post-EoW/BoC

instead of post-DS like all the other sunken sea weapons

Also amber staff is used for night’s ray

[distant gyro]

eh, amber can be pre-boss iirc, but yea amber staff is already used

[smoky wagon]

Amber staff uses desert fossils

[hollow saffron]

Ive gotten amber via silt before @smoky wagon

And also you know the reaver shark is a thing

[smoky wagon]

[distant gyro]

reaver shark is progression breaking

[sinful violet]

Shouldn't have to require reaver shark compared to the rest of the items.

[distant gyro]

and what makes amber staff not pre-boss is desert fossils

[sinful violet]

^

[smoky wagon]

the amber staff uses the sturdy fossils

obviously amber can be gotten anytime

[cobalt ferry]

The tungstone axe is used for multiple weapons as well

[smoky wagon]

thats not as important as my other point

[distant gyro]

yea but the fossil.

[sinful violet]

Aquamarine stuff just ain't worth all that trouble.

[cobalt ferry]

Diamonds and rubies are both really irritating to use, since you need so many of them

[sinful violet]

You'd get away with amber or topaz staff.

Probably topaz.

[cobalt ferry]

Topaz is trash tier though

Amber is about equal in strength to diamond and ruby

[smoky wagon]

you can find diamonds and rubies consistently through planetoids and crawlers underground

[sinful violet]

Still would be better than amber as a choice due to getting amber right away from starter bag.

When we change that, maybe.

[smoky wagon]

🤔

[hollow saffron]

guwa I barely found enough diamonds to get a crystalline pre-boss without using an extractinator

also it's not really that safe to go to space pre-boss

even with a full set of armor harpies are still an annoyance

@smoky wagon

[smoky wagon]

Then farm crawlers

besides why would a rogue character be making aquamarine staff

[hollow saffron]

I was giving an example of how hard it was to find diamonds

I found no diamond crawlers, then ofc they start spawning in large numbers after I have the crystalline

[jovial spire]

Yep thats the 2nd law of RNG

only get something when you dont need it

the 1st is You can never do it when some one is watching

3rd is that halfway through an online game you have to use the restroom

[golden kayak]

So 4th one is "People only call you during online matches"?

[jovial spire]

Yep

or something you have to have absolute focus on

Doing provi nohit
My stepdad calling me to tell me to check the mail: I'm about to end this man's whole career

5th is that this isnt supposed to go in #suggestions-discussion so we should stop

[golden kayak]

So what about balancing out Blood Samples and True Shadow Scales?

One way is to make Blood Samples only be dropped from Hive itself
Other way is to make True Shadow Scale drop from Dark Hearts (I think it is the right name).
Maybe 1 TSS from 1 heart with 50% chance.

Reasoning: While Hive Mind is a harder fight overall (very fast paced) (imo), you can't get TSS's to get better weapons for the fight.

[bitter drift]

@cobalt ferry yes it doesn't take diamonds but it take fossils that are post BoC or EoW

[smoky wagon]

i think dank creepers could drop the hive mind materials

i suggested that awhile ago but it still is valid

[bitter drift]

ah yes there will be another way to get more from the easiest boss in the game

i get perf having it on the worm but the hive mind it too easy to add it

[golden kayak]

@smoky wagon I thought of that, but I think that too much of them spawn and even in phase 1 there are 4 spawns.

@bitter drift Try it on Death

[smoky wagon]

The drop chance for the materials could be like 33% for 1-2

of each

[bitter drift]

i tried

easy as FUCK

[smoky wagon]

ok high iq man

[hollow saffron]

are we allowed to make general weapon suggestions

[civic pond]

general yes

[cyan lagoon]

If its something like "add summon weapon to x tier"

[radiant meadow]

post it here first

[civic pond]

like add a weapon to (insert tier)

[cyan lagoon]

Or "change x to do y"

Yes

[radiant meadow]

just don't change x to do y and essentially rework a weapon completely to the point where it's basically a new weapon

[hollow saffron]

ok

[radiant meadow]

I said post it here first I guess that's fine

[hollow saffron]

yeah i didnt see your "post it here" until i had already posted it

big oof

[distant gyro]

oh yea @signal prairie

there's stellar contempt now?

[civic pond]

oh well so much for mourningstar move again

[ionic flicker]

̶M̶a̶k̶e̶ ̶A̶p̶o̶t̶h̶e̶o̶s̶i̶s̶ ̶s̶h̶o̶o̶t̶ ̶D̶e̶v̶o̶u̶r̶e̶r̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶T̶h̶o̶t̶'̶s̶ ̶h̶e̶a̶d̶s̶ ̶u̶s̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶l̶e̶f̶t̶ ̶c̶l̶i̶c̶k̶ ̶l̶i̶k̶e̶ ̶A̶p̶o̶t̶h̶ ̶t̶e̶s̶t̶

Fail

[hollow saffron]

@signal prairie rogue expansion is already being planned out

[civic pond]

i like this one

[radiant meadow]

I'll add stellar contempt to class setups then if it's not on there already

nvm, it already is

@ionic flicker add a name and when the emote would be used

@signal prairie more rogue options for Providence is already planned

[terse sundial]

smh doubting that I wouldn't update class setups

[radiant meadow]

melee stellar contempt was missing though

and nanoblack

[distant gyro]

nanoblack is added now

[terse sundial]

melee stellar contempt wasn't as hot

[radiant meadow]

becauase I just added it

[terse sundial]

i tested it

[distant gyro]

termi sniped 😔

[radiant meadow]

it was faster than ark

[terse sundial]

was it?

[signal prairie]

Alright, thanks for letting me know. I can delete the suggestion if need be.

[radiant meadow]

yes, did you like ignore my wall of prov tests?

😔

[ionic flicker]

Name:Cringe, When it should be used: do i really need to say that?

[terse sundial]

i did lmao

all i really cared about was the shiv

[ionic flicker]

I¿Is that fine?

[terse sundial]

i'm sorry termi

[radiant meadow]

remove the word suicidal

and yes, you do need to add when

[distant gyro]

that pic's a bit large ngl

but ok

[radiant meadow]

in fact, I should add solstice claymore

[radiant meadow]

you still should add when the emote would normally be used in a conversation @ionic flicker

[ionic flicker]

Now?

[radiant meadow]

that's good

[frosty kindle]

the emote radiates with powerful energy. i like it

[ionic flicker]

M̶a̶k̶e̶ ̶A̶p̶o̶t̶h̶e̶o̶s̶i̶s̶ ̶s̶h̶o̶o̶t̶ ̶D̶e̶v̶o̶u̶r̶e̶r̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶T̶h̶o̶t̶'̶s̶ ̶h̶e̶a̶d̶s̶ ̶u̶s̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶l̶e̶f̶t̶ ̶c̶l̶i̶c̶k̶ ̶l̶i̶k̶e̶ ̶A̶p̶o̶t̶h̶ ̶t̶e̶s̶t̶

[smoky wagon]

no

[ionic flicker]

YES

[civic pond]

uh

you cant really ask for changes on a dev/dedicated item can you..?

[ionic flicker]

It's a joke, you know?

[smoky wagon]

Doge i think you posted the mourningstar sugg to early ngl

[civic pond]

yeah i know

im gonna have to wait another week aren't I?

[smoky wagon]

I might make my own “move mourningstar” suggestion after enough time

[civic pond]

i might repost the daybreak buff too

[smoky wagon]

at this point i wouldnt do it again, the more you post it the less people are likely to star it

[civic pond]

i doubt that

[smoky wagon]

but daybreak buff would be good

[civic pond]

if people starred it in the first place they know its a legitimate change

[smoky wagon]

well you do it then

[civic pond]

besides it got drowned

[ionic flicker]

It got crushed under so many messages

[civic pond]

its at 75 atm

[ionic flicker]

Also, how do you do this a̶k̶e̶ on a keyboard? I need to use external programs to modify the words

Or are you using mobile?

[smoky wagon]

attempt

Failure

[ionic flicker]

how?

~how~

[smoky wagon]

put “~~**” on the sides of your message

[ionic flicker]

[smoky wagon]

~~ = slashed out

** = bold

[ionic flicker]

"~Like this~"

It didn't work

[radiant meadow]

please move to #general-talk to discuss text stuff

[gusty geode]

you gotta do two ~s on each side

So if specific items are banned
Does that mean we might see more enemies

[civic pond]

i doubt it

new enemies need sprites and coding too

maybe not coding all the time but still

[dusty stirrup]

Yes coding all the time

even if it's basically a copypaste of another existing enemy

[civic pond]

huh

[gusty geode]

I am liking how a lot of the new suggestions are aiming to make this mod feel more like... a mod

[ionic flicker]

luk

FINALLY

[lost agate]

@signal prairie stellar contempt is a thing

I dont remember if birb has a rogue weapon

But theres something already

[plucky matrix]

birb has weapons?

[lost agate]

Yes

[sand umbra]

Birb has no rogue weapon.

At the moment, anyway. Not sure what you dev types have planned.

[radiant meadow]

there are definitely more options planned for providence

right now, it's just elemental disk and stellar contempt though

[hollow saffron]

"Make the Solar Flare yoyo not emit explosions but instead fire projectiles like the Terrarian

Reason: Providence and Moon Lord are supposed to be counterparts, therefore the drops should be slightly similar: the terrarian fires orbs but the solar flare doesnt."

hows this

[void kelp]

but why make them identical

[radiant meadow]

making them each unique is better

and the verdant fires projectiles

making the same would create less variety

[sand umbra]

Also projectiles are the whole reason the Terrarian doesn't work for shit against Provi because of i-frame memes, the same would not help the Solar Flare at all--

Personally I prefer the Solar Flare creating explosions. It's neat.

[hollow saffron]

ok

[zenith hazel]

besides, ML and provi are kinda the opposite of each other anyway (moon and sun)

[hollow saffron]

Crap you got me

Lol

[dusty stirrup]

She's already got an indicator for when she charges tho

[signal prairie]

plus its a superboss

[queen schooner]

i dont see it??

[signal prairie]

superbosses are meant to be uber difficult

[queen schooner]

this one is IMPOSSIBLE tho

[dusty stirrup]

Her afterimages start splitting (or if you have those off, she changes color)

[queen schooner]

ohh thats what those were for

[mystic sandal]

yeah

[dusty stirrup]

Well if she was impossible I don't think anyone would be able to nohit her

[mystic sandal]

if she turns clear, it's a charge

[dusty stirrup]

but there's a bunch of people that did

[sinful violet]

are you using RoD

[queen schooner]

whats that

[signal prairie]

Rod of discord

[queen schooner]

wats tthat do

[distant gyro]

Her attacks are also telegraphed if you wish to remember
Mobile -> Hellblast -> Abyssal (short) -> 4 charges -> Abyssal (short) -> Hellblast -> Mobile -> 2 charges -> Mobile -> Hellblast -> Abyssal (long) -> Hellbast -> 2 charges -> Mobile -> Abyssal (long) -> 4 charges -> Mobile -> 2 charges -> Mobile -> 2 charges -> Repeat

[signal prairie]

teleports you to the mouse upon use

[queen schooner]

oh wow

also how do i remember all that

[spiral olive]

practice

[signal prairie]

practice and selling your sanity

[brittle merlin]

And your soul

[queen schooner]

sounds like too hard boss

[brittle merlin]

How many times have you tried to kill her

[queen schooner]

i cant KILL her cuz shes impossible!!

[dusty stirrup]

but I already said she's not

[signal prairie]

she is not impossible

[dusty stirrup]

cause people nohitted her

[distant gyro]

no she isn't

[mystic sandal]

practice

get some help

learn her attack patterns

[queen schooner]

ughh alright

[zenith hazel]

[mystic sandal]

just keep re-doing the fight and you'll eventually win

[marsh gust]

just because you cant beat her it doesnt mean everyone cant

[distant gyro]

get better gear if you're not doing that already

[mystic sandal]

you'll memorize more attack

[zenith hazel]

scal's fight is all about learning from every death

[signal prairie]

Trial and Error

[zenith hazel]

the more you die, the more powerful you become

that sounds incredibly contradictory but it's gamer logic

[queen sail]

Bruh is that seriously a “Nerf scal because I’m bad” suggestion

[zenith hazel]

practice practice practice

you'll nail her down one day

[distant gyro]

[sleek wadi]

We're only going to see Scal nerfs when she gets demoted to normal boss.

[dusty stirrup]

yes

[zenith hazel]

unlike me

[queen sail]

Vruhmento Mori

[sleek wadi]

Brother Period in Time

[placid moth]

Yes let's nerf scal because I cant beat it

[zenith hazel]

but don't go "nerf this because it's hard and I can't beat it"

she's supposed to be hard because she's a superboss

[queen schooner]

wow u guys are picking on me

but ill keep trying

[zenith hazel]

we're not picking on you, we're offering advice

constructive criticism

[queen sail]

Well tbh the suggestion isn’t good either way

[sleek wadi]

I'm not though lul

[placid moth]

I cant imagine how you would do on PoP ngl

[zenith hazel]

bruh

[queen sail]

It’s catered to one person

Be a communist

[mystic grotto]

No they're just explaining why your suggestion will never make it

[queen sail]

Contribute for the wellbeing of all

[mystic grotto]

Dont take it personally

[queen sail]

[mystic grotto]

[sleek wadi]

In a way your suggestion will make it. Scal WILL get nerfs once she is no longer a superboss.

[distant gyro]

Why is this asked here

[mystic grotto]

sleep schedule they can't lol

[distant gyro]

[dusty stirrup]

Seems like you're in the wrong channel catren

[quick dove]

SHIT THIS IS

[mystic grotto]

it is

[quick dove]

ok this was a large moment of brain, sorry for the interruption

[dusty stirrup]

np

[mystic grotto]

large moment of brain

[plucky matrix]

interesting suggestion I must say

[sleek wadi]

Technically Scal already IS nerfed. The boss rush variant is the only boss in BR that doesn't get increased stats

[plucky matrix]

pretty sure she even has decreased health

[dusty stirrup]

She does yes

[plucky matrix]

and a way bigger arena than death

[queen schooner]

uh i think the arena is too small

[sleek wadi]

Just kill Scal in boss rush lul

[queen schooner]

im on revengeance-death difficulty

[plucky matrix]

the arena is fine

[zenith hazel]

if you're talking about death, maybe

rev, definitely the perfect size

[distant gyro]

Death arena is fine

kinda

[plucky matrix]

^

not kinda smh

[zenith hazel]

arena size is important for bh5 movement probably

[plucky matrix]

just dodge InfiniteHead
okay I'm sorry

[distant gyro]

unless you breach your arena

[zenith hazel]

RoD outside smh

[queen schooner]

im on revengeance-death difficulty

[zenith hazel]

ez-est bh5

[queen schooner]

the boss is too hard

[distant gyro]

rev-death is death though

[zenith hazel]

again, keep trying

there'll be way harder bosses in the future anyway

[distant gyro]

then lower your difficulty if you're at the end of your nerves

or take a break

[queen schooner]

how i do that?

[plucky matrix]

you just aren't used to the boss. try learning her patterns and you'll have a much easier time

[distant gyro]

[plucky matrix]

do you call bosses that you beat first try "too easy"?

[mystic grotto]

Also have R.O.D. if you don't already

[dusty stirrup]

Aight Arozzi, if I see you call SCal too hard/impossible again, you're getting a warn

[ashen warren]

lol no

[dusty stirrup]

Also take the helping stuff to #help-advice-read-pins

[mystic grotto]

yup sorry chief

[queen schooner]

sorry

[plucky matrix]

oh right this is #suggestions-discussion

[dusty stirrup]

[signal prairie]

Scal on Death is an extreme example of Trial and Error. If you keep trying, you will eventually succeed.

[dusty stirrup]

What'd I just say

[unique vector]

@dusty stirrup can i delete the suggestion

serves no purpose if it doesn’t have reactions anyway

[dusty stirrup]

Sure

[unique vector]

actually for now on any suggestions that have no reactions ill just delete

[spiral olive]

i thought that's how it's always done

no point in having them there if they have no stars

[dusty stirrup]

We wait a bit before deleting

So they can keep their suggestion for themselves for whatever reason if they wish to

[brittle merlin]

Is suggesting some new stuff for the blood moon but not saying anything specific ok?

Because it seems like blood moon never gets any love

[zealous ridge]

what were you thinking? new enemies, new drops, an overhaul?

[brittle merlin]

Maybe just some new enemies and drops since the blood moon is xeroc's eye looking into this world

I’m pretty sure that’s what it is

[zealous ridge]

i would like to see that, but i wouldnt go too specific, like dont list off specific enemies or their stats

[queen delta]

resuggested, but this time with me not going off for a 4-day vacation right after

[brittle merlin]

I wasn’t even going to suggest enemies

Or at least specific ones

And also isn’t the frost and pumpkin moons getting unique things in the future

Same with darksun?

[zealous ridge]

i would hope, but i dont think weve heard anything specific from devs

[brittle merlin]

I think I remember something like that from the art server or something

[zealous ridge]

from the art server i heard about event horizon, that was it though (post darksun tome that may or may not be added?)

[brittle merlin]

Maybe we shouldn’t talk about this is suggestions discussion

[zealous ridge]

eh fair

[brittle merlin]

But I am still thinking of things for the blood moon

[zealous ridge]

expansion to the blood moon would be

[brittle merlin]

Like maybe a miniboss?

Or is that a no

[zenith hazel]

ah shoot, here we go again

[zealous ridge]

blood nautilus

is a thing that exists in journeys end

[brittle merlin]

I mean if it isn’t allowed then I won’t suggest it

Also has that been confirmed?

[zealous ridge]

yes in the trailer

[brittle merlin]

Because for some reason that’s exactly what I thought of when I heard of a boss

And I haven’t watched the trailer

[plucky matrix]

still not gonna star that yata

[queen delta]

smh what if i said yharon was perfectly fine, didnt need any changes, and that defiled makes it even more fun

ACTUALLY ima add that one gif that shows polter pretty well

[plucky matrix]

yharon is fine actually imo

I am just 110% biased against him

[queen delta]

got rid of embed so it doesnt flood channel

[placid moth]

If Polter gets a health buff, I'd recommend a reduction in DR temporarily during its clone phase tbh, until the clone or polter is killed.

Bruh

@small summit We have an art server

[small summit]

Oh

[hollow idol]

we already had an art chat

rip #spriting-and-art

[small summit]

...

[hollow idol]

it got deleted so that the art server would be promoted

[small summit]

I cant find it thou

[hollow idol]

#info

[small summit]

Ok ty

[hollow idol]

np

[opal barn]

@queen delta good suggestion iirc

[radiant meadow]

@earnest raptor literally just got fixed last update

[earnest raptor]

Okay, deleted.

[radiant meadow]

tooltip is now "Enemies killed by the spear explode into brimstone flames"

[plucky matrix]

god termi, I'd say yes from a balancing standpoint but no from a fun standpoint

[radiant meadow]

[ashen warren]

fellas mourningstar pre doggo is at 80 votes

can we get this bumped up to 90

[lost agate]

:perhaps:

[void kelp]

god terry’s nickname ❤

[jagged halo]

Honestly suggestions seems a lot better now

[void kelp]

bc it is

[sand umbra]

Yeah that's because it is.

We can actually suggest changes to existing shit now and have it be noticed.

Also mfw I just realized Vital Jelly can technically be obtained pre-boss.

That's not, however, to claim it isn't really weak for the average tier it's obtained compared to the High Fucking Jump Stone smh--

[void kelp]

honestly as much as I love aero stone it does need a nerf

[smoky wagon]

I usually used frog leg in pre-hm anyway

[hollow saffron]

lmao frog leg is OP

i would suggest nerfing it in prehm or smth like that but apparently that would be scaling

[smoky wagon]

i dont think there is much point to nerfing it

other than making boring bosses difficult for no real reason

[worthy fiber]

It was pretty rare in vanilla iirc

[hollow saffron]

it is

1/500 drop chance and im not gonna spend 5 hours looking for frogs

[smoky wagon]

frog leg isn’t craftable in vanilla anyway

[hollow saffron]

yeah

should the frog leg be a rare drop from frogs tbh

[smoky wagon]

Why

[civic pond]

because its a frogs leg

[hollow saffron]

i have an idea to use calamitous essence to craft a "soul of calamitas" or something like that

maybe it could summon her brothers not gonna go into specifics tbh

[zenith hazel]

isn’t calamitous essence kinda a grey area for suggestions?

[void kelp]

isn’t that then a specific item suggestion?

[plucky prairie]

i mean a boss summon item isnt a weapon or accessory

[void kelp]

tbh I find that summoning the brothers seems unnecessary since you fight them like 2-6 times anyways

[hollow saffron]

@void kelp i said i wouldnt go into specifics

also @zenith hazel how

its really used for only one item

so its kinda boring

[void kelp]

ah

[zenith hazel]

and shadowspec is reserved for devs pretty much

[hollow saffron]

its not gonna use shadowspec bars

just the essence

[ashen warren]

are we really rules lawyering about post sc suggestions

[lost agate]

Post SC is for dev items atm, only that

[lost agate]

Wouldnt 50% shoot speed make shit shoot twice as fast?

No wait thats fire rate

[hollow shell]

Post-SC suggestions are allowed
Shadowspec suggestions are not

btw.

[lost agate]

Ah alright

[hollow saffron]

Ok

[lost agate]

No wait thats fire rate

Wait wha

[magic verge]

just clarified with shoot projectile speed

[lost agate]

Why tf did it send that again?

Anyway, i feel like eldritch might obscure darksun ring that way

[jagged halo]

Darksun is a melee accessory tho isn’t it

[lost agate]

Didnt it buff stats in general?

!wiki darksun ring

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Dark_Sun_Ring
Not the correct result? Use !wiki page darksun ring for a direct link or !wiki search darksun ring for a list of all hits.

Calamity Mod Wiki

Dark Sun Ring

The Dark Sun Ring is a craftable post-Moon Lord accessory which grants a wide array of benefits. It provides +1 life regeneration, 10 defense, a 12% increase to damage, 12% increased melee speed, +2 extra minion slots, +120% minion knockback, and 15% increased mining speed.
During the day, the Dark Sun Ring provides an additional +3 life regeneration for a total of +4. At night, it instead provides an extra 30 defense for a total of 40 defense.

[lost agate]

Yeah its a general boost

[jagged halo]

Yea but isn’t only the melee stuff good

[hollow saffron]

"Add in a post-Scal accessory, something like a Soul of Calamitas, that uses calamitous essence in its recipe

Reason: Post-SC has literally no accessories available, and calamitous essence is very underused."

[lost agate]

Minion slots sound mighty fine tho

[magic verge]

that one gives 12% more damage and +3/30 life regen/defence regardless of the class tho

i was planning on sort of a "buff obscure stats" kind of accesory

like projectile speed, mana reduction or swing speed, no accesory does that on a great way

[smoky wagon]

I have a feeling in the distant future calamitous essence will make pre-yharim gear

[lost agate]

Melee speed is not the best idea tho

[smoky wagon]

maybe keep that in mind

[magic verge]

why, it has a cap

[lost agate]

Exactly because of that

[magic verge]

the cap is a whole 50%

i dont think youll surpaass that naturally

[lost agate]

If you have a good melee build you most probably will

[smoky wagon]

Samurai badge

[magic verge]

o yeah forgot about that one

[lost agate]

I think eldritch could be focused more on mage rather than general boosts imo

[magic verge]

how about, it speeds up all projectiles

so melee projectiles, magic ones, ranged and rogue ones?

[smoky wagon]

that could be an interesting idea but if that was the only change it wouldnt be that good

for most weapons atleast

[magic verge]

you sure? take yharon fight , or any fight where the boss is all over the place

if the projectiles were fast you would hit MUCH more than if they were slower

[smoky wagon]

yharon isnt too hard to hit with most weapons

[jagged halo]

Yharon is a large lad you shouldn’t miss him lol

He goes invincible sometimes but besides that

[hollow shell]

Question, !drvcx
First line, it says "reword"
You mean "rework"?

[magic verge]

indeed

a simple 30% less mana usage would do the trick

feel like thats more appropiate

[lost agate]

@digital sparrow how did they even get confused ?

[hollow shell]

The naming kind-of implies that Calamity Mod (No Calamity Music) is a version of the mod which is the same as Calamity Mod (Music) except it doesn't contain music

but that's not technically true

because Calamity Mod (Music) only contains music

Downloading both looks like you're downloading two full Calamity Mods

[golden kayak]

Good idea tbh.

About Base thing.

[smoky wagon]

Buff Vien Burster/Perfect Dark Currently there isn't much reason to use either of these due to their poor range and damage output, especially compared to something like Wind Blade or Air Spinner. Increasing both the velocity of the projectile and the damage would make these weapons actually worth the trouble.

[drifting radish]

can we make a petition to get rid of tomb crawlers? thanks

or whatever those underground desert worms were called

i like my trip to the sunken sea full of cnidrions, not worms too

[sand umbra]

Yes, full of Cnidrions flopping onto your face and cheesing you with the power of getting you stuck.

[drifting radish]

that's kinda hot

[civic pond]

no

[lost agate]

Deleting vanilla enemies

[sand umbra]

Vanilla enemies.

[jagged halo]

They don’t have that much health I thought

[hollow shell]

(I have the vague memory of this change being reverted but I can't find anything like that, so it's probably still true)

[fervent zealot]

meme emote suggestion gets 114 stars, actual decent suggestions not so many

[zealous ridge]

Lifesteal Indicator
A small indicator which would relay stats regarding the calamity-imposed Lifesteal mechanics.
indicates the following:
maximum lifesteal before activating cooldown
numerical counter that adds up total lifesteal within a short timeframe
time before lifesteal cooldown ends
Could be indicated only with numbers that appear above the player's head, or an orb that fills up when you leech life that begins to drain over time or when the cooldown is initiated.
why? I hear a lot of people asking in the help and advice channel why their lifesteal items arent working, unaware of calamity's lifesteal nerfs. An indicator would not only help clear up confusion, but also give players more statistics that they can use to their advantage (when to stop using lifesteal, how long to wait before lifesteal can be used again, ect)

Hmmm how does this sound?

im not aware of how hard this would be to code, but i thought it would be a nice addition.

[hollow shell]

I feel like that would be pretty easy to code because all the numbers already exist internally
The only thing we'd have to do is display them

Good suggestion

[zealous ridge]

okay, thank you

[jagged halo]

“add in indicators for DR, life regen, and minion slots that function similarly to the defense indicator
because there are so many armors, accessories, buffs, and debuffs that impact these stats, it can be hard to keep track of it all when in the middle of combat or just setting up your equipment”

I feel like that is just something that can be added to this

[hollow shell]

Not necessarily

[jagged halo]

Cus there’s a lot of stats that would be nice to see

[hollow shell]

Because the lifesteal cooldowns and time before lifesteal re-activates are constantly changing numbers

whereas those stats only change when you change your equipment or buffs

they're relatively static

[zealous ridge]

i agree theyre should be indicators for those stats as well

[jagged halo]

Yea but you can’t see them even if they are static

[hollow shell]

Indeed

All of em are hidden

[zealous ridge]

and debuffs could effect those numbers

[jagged halo]

Just like a stat area would be very nice

And probably not bad to code right

[hollow shell]

Yeah it wouldn't be hard to display those either

[zealous ridge]

alright, ill post mine in suggestions

[hollow shell]

👍

[sinful violet]

Yeah I'd agree

[lost agate]

Why would tomb crawler nerf be reverted smh

He just did a big af "no u" and we had to fix it

Or well afaik

[golden kayak]

Tomb crawlers are cool guys because Burnt Sienna.

But their hp used to be a big OOF

I do not think it was reversed tho.

[queen sail]

I think everyone can agree that the underground desert worms are big

[golden kayak]

Uhh i think Abyss wyrms are more

Toggling health bar in configs may be a neat option, yeah.

[faint needle]

You can toggle the healtbar with a set key afaik

[distant gyro]

you can already do that

@mossy light @golden kayak

[lost agate]

Dan?

Oh yeah he suggested it

[distant gyro]

[void kelp]

rapidly unstars

[lost agate]

Brain farts as per usual

[mossy light]

yeah

my faullt

fault*

[hollow shell]

I feel like those toggles would be more fit in the config than as keybinds

I don't think most people will ever be changing those setting mid-game

[ashen warren]

^

[void kelp]

I think a suggestion to change it from keybind to config is good

[sand umbra]

Meme suggs are beaned iirc--

[zealous ridge]

mmmm it’s not happening, he’s dead

[sand umbra]

Also Aureus is 10x fucking cooler anyway.

[queen schooner]

why

[civic pond]

:astralgeldon:

[young fog]

because its bad

[sand umbra]

you added one too many Ls

congrats

[young fog]

@opal barn meme sugg?

[civic pond]

damnit.

idk if its a meme

or maybe the guys just oblivious

[opal barn]

@queen schooner No, he's not getting back

[queen schooner]

why was he gone in first place?

[sand umbra]

To be replaced with Astrum Aureus.

[void kelp]

because meme

[sand umbra]

An infinitely better boss.

[young fog]

because he was bad

[civic pond]

mainly because a bigger slime as a boss didn't make sense in the first place

we already had king slime and slime gods

[radiant meadow]

@magic verge feral claws don't boost knockback, but yes, they do give a slightly higher melee speed boost than eldritch

[young fog]

Doesnt increasing use time make it take longer?

[golden kayak]

Increase is making it longer

[young fog]

Do you mean decrease?

[queen delta]

Lemme reword that

[golden kayak]

Use time 1 pog

[queen delta]

make summon weapons take longer to summon

[golden kayak]

Why

[queen delta]

Because yes

[radiant meadow]

faster ballista staves

[golden kayak]

Isn't it pain to do when you have 11 slots and SOME Polter spawns?

[lost agate]

That suggestion is gonna buff summoner as a whole just for "QoL"

Which in some cases is gonna be just bad, like how termi said, with ballistas

[civic pond]

sentry spam

[lost agate]

Pretty much

[plucky matrix]

I would love that, wouldn't make summoner so annoying to use

[lost agate]

It would make it OP in some scenarios

More than what its already op in

[civic pond]

why would it have to apply to sentries too?

is there anything wrong with applying this change to normal summons only?

[lost agate]

Code perhaps

[void kelp]

I think the ones that don’t have a delay in firing/deal contact damage might also be a bit op

[lost agate]

Yeah

[civic pond]

ah i see.

[plucky matrix]

well, you could still have sentries and stuff have the same speed, I was mainly just thinking normal summons, summoning 12 elemental axes for provi every time you die is... meh

[civic pond]

where if you're playing melee you can just go and try again right away

[lost agate]

Thats one of the downside of summoner

[civic pond]

what about having summons stay when you respawn..?

[radiant meadow]

it could just blacklist certain weapons

[civic pond]

like flask buffs, they stay there

[plucky matrix]

that wouldn't work because you lose potion buffs etc

[void kelp]

they’ll end up doing damage to the boss while you’re dead

[radiant meadow]

like imp staff and ooa sentries

[civic pond]

dont minions already do that

shrug

[lost agate]

Minions die when you die, so no

[civic pond]

huh

[lost agate]

Its gonna cause bugs most probably

[civic pond]

guess im blind then

[lost agate]

I wouldnt give a general use speed buff to all summons, but maybe some of them

[void kelp]

the ones that don’t hitscan?

[lost agate]

Hmm

I wouldnt give it to slimes or grounded summons for example

The ones that do contact dmg and fly, those doesnt matter too much

[proven tide]

ywy

this happened

[zenith hazel]

guy advertising

[proven tide]

@marsh gust

[young fog]

[radiant meadow]

@ebon bronze no advertising, that's am ute

smh we were right in the chat

[lost agate]

A mute?

[proven tide]

when there's this many mods online it's always greenname roulette

[marsh gust]

[void kelp]

I just tag the first one that pops up

[lost agate]

I was literally talking here already lmao

[queen sail]

Uhhh

What happened

[radiant meadow]

it's a mute because they were already warned

[lost agate]

Oh i see

[plucky matrix]

[radiant meadow]

regardless, return to suggestion talk

[young fog]

just @ Moderators and see who shows up first

[civic pond]

bruh

bruh

[proven tide]

.

big brain

[void kelp]

I think for sure the decreased delay should help w summons that are like

[marsh gust]

you cant tag mods

[lost agate]

Anyway, as i was saying, grounded summons having less use time is a big nono

[void kelp]

slow to summon but also don’t hitscan or deal immediate damage otherwise

[lost agate]

That just makes it exploitable

"My summons cant fly? Well what if i just spam the shit out the staff so it doesnt matter if they dont"

[proven tide]

i spam the shit out of the ballista to triple its fire rate

[lost agate]

^

[void kelp]

so kinda like how you can use slime summon to fuck up worm bosses even as they’re flying

[proven tide]

it fires within half a second of being summoned so i just abuse my mana until the enemy is no more

[lost agate]

Yeah

So yeah, some could get a use speed boost, just not all of them

[void kelp]

the ones that take time to wok

*work

[queen sail]

Just don't have it affect the sentries ig

[lost agate]

Its not only sentries

[queen delta]

That's why i included (or most?)

[civic pond]

wait a sec

[queen delta]

knowing imp staff and sentries exist

[civic pond]

emote suggestions dont go to the dev server do they?

[lost agate]

They go to the staff here, so no

[civic pond]

ok.

[finite olive]

I was playing multiplayer as a mage, and my mana over loader healing was going to the other player, I think that should be fixed

[void kelp]

that’s a bug not a suggestion

#bugs-read-pins

[finite olive]

rip

[proven tide]

is that a selfstar

[young fog]

whats wrong with that?

[hollow shell]

@young fog Pardon?

[proven tide]

storm ruler, by the way

and also it scales

because the devs hate us

it's not just post-dog

[radiant meadow]

afaik storm saber does not

[hollow shell]

yeah I think you got confused

[young fog]

Look on Dog's wiki page

[radiant meadow]

internet stop dying leave me alone

storm ruler scales

[hollow shell]

Page fixed.

[radiant meadow]

it should be storm ruler

oh I probably made a typo

it's the tornaado one

[young fog]

aight, sorry for confusion

[proven tide]

wow alright my sassy remark got blocked

and then immediately invalidated

thank you god for saving my ass

[young fog]

off topic, you should prolly go to #general-talk

[strange galleon]

You hardly click the summon weapons that much, stop being lazy

[placid moth]

^

[loud steeple]

If you suck at the game then you click on them alot

[tawny tide]

does omniswing not work on summons

[queen sail]

Don’t think so

[plucky prairie]

@strange galleon what about right clicking with summons to target an enemy?

[crystal osprey]

[golden kayak]

Eehhhh..
Why would you make summoner even more op?

[lost agate]

3 suggestions that are basically the same idea in a row

Oh boy

[civic pond]

if this isn't a bandwagon i don't know what is

[golden kayak]

The only bad thing about summoner is time consuming spawning

[lost agate]

And having to rely on AI

[golden kayak]

Yeah sometimes.

Hard times agains Yharon.

[queen sail]

This is why i don’t do summoner specific playthroughs

Also no that’s because m e c h w o r m

[golden kayak]

I don't do these because i feel dumb not having to aim
Feels like cheating.

[lost agate]

Theres a few summons like stardust dragon that flat out ignore some bosses for whatever reason

[golden kayak]

Worms

[ashen warren]

please

[civic pond]

[ashen warren]

please do not call them "taints"

[queen sail]

How is this exactly going to make the mod unique @wind canyon

Also afair there’s a mod that already adds corrupt/crim npcs

[ashen warren]

Corru and crim mod but calamity.
wowo

[smoky wagon]

Im waiting for obligatory “improve summon ai” suggestion

[queen sail]

I.e ask terry

[crystal osprey]

I'm gonna get a patron item added that will fix the yhaRON summon issue

[queen sail]

What yharon summon issue

[crystal osprey]

Mechworm bad

[queen sail]

Oh that

[crystal osprey]

That's the issue

[lost agate]

That suggestion is quite specific if i do say so myself

[ashen warren]

shucks go back to playing masodeath

[wind canyon]

which?

[void kelp]

they’re specific but they’re not items

[lost agate]

But we agreed on specific items, dunno if npcs count too

Also shush terry

[queen sail]

Also uhhhh

Do we need the npcs or

Crim and corrupt die out mid hardmode anyways

[civic pond]

not really..?

[crystal osprey]

I wish there was a major post ml currup/Crim boss

[queen sail]

You only really come back for souls or ichor

[civic pond]

brain of cthulhu 2

[queen sail]

Fabsol:

[brittle merlin]

The spine of Cthulhu

[wind canyon]

or perhaps manifestations of the tainted biomes

[queen sail]

The Legs of Cthulhu

[civic pond]

fear

[ripe light]

i still wanna see left kidney of cthulhu

[brittle merlin]

The intestines of Cthulhu

[queen sail]

Anyways uhhhhhh

[ripe light]

nostril of cthulhu

[queen sail]

Do we need these npcs or

[brittle merlin]

I don’t feel like they are necessary

[golden kayak]

We need more Evil content.
Otherwise these NPC do not make any sense.

[wind canyon]

like more lore of the corruption and crimson

[queen sail]

We already got out lore for crim and corrupt don’t we

[ashen warren]

There's also the fact that a great deal of work would be needed to add them to the lore without making them feel tacked-on.

[queen sail]

Corrupt is an infection spawned from a microbe and crim is cthulhu’s corpse

[crystal osprey]

Legs of Cthulhu and hive megamind

[void kelp]

• there’s already the flesh furniture set

[golden kayak]

Content for Evil biome is not the lore.

Bosses, enemies, materials.

[ripe light]

the flesh furniture is the best furniture set tbh

[queen sail]

Bruh you act like the evil biomes get it bad

[golden kayak]

Yes.

[queen sail]

Hallow was lucky it got profaned enemies

[crystal osprey]

Bruh

[golden kayak]

But it got them nonetheless.

[crystal osprey]

Jungle gets 6 bosses

[ashen warren]

Idk, hallow has providence, evils have some worm, 2 brains, and 3 worms.

[crystal osprey]

Broh

[ashen warren]

They're both shafted in HM though.
SoL/SoN then gone.

[brittle merlin]

I still feel that the hallow needs some more content

[queen sail]

Hallow didn’t even get a boss in vanilla for two major updates

[ashen warren]

..It doesn't have a boss?

[queen sail]

In vanilla it doesn’t

Both 1.2 and 1.3 happened and it’s still pretty much unchanged barring resprites

[golden kayak]

1.4 is coming tho.

[crystal osprey]

I wish perforators and hive mind were in hm

[golden kayak]

^why?

[crystal osprey]

Back to back evil bosses is just as weird as back to back astral

[wind canyon]

do we even need golf

[quiet abyss]

And in calamity the two bosses it does get, profaned guardians and providence, are less hallowed biome bosses and more "bosses that can be fought in 2 places, one of them's the hallow"

[worthy fiber]

Fighting Queen Bee in between kinda solves that problem

[quiet abyss]

^

[crystal osprey]

Well

[golden kayak]

@west prairie designed some Evil-themed HM content iirc.

[worthy fiber]

That's how I follow progression anyway, even if it isn't the official way

[ashen warren]

anyway
Suggestion feels really off-tone and out of pace with calamity, also feels really.. self-inserty? idk but it's really odd.

[crystal osprey]

Fighting Levi between aereus and dues solved astral problem

[golden kayak]

For now it does not make sense, I agree. Waiting for Evil content.

[crystal osprey]

IDK maybe I sound stupid but I want hardmode evil bois

[wind canyon]

that could be a thing with both npcs

[brittle merlin]

Why does it have to be 2 though

[golden kayak]

Uhh these 2 are designed for pre-hm, moving them to hm will require full rework so basically almost new boss.

[quiet abyss]

^

[brittle merlin]

Couldn’t it just be one npc and not 2

[quiet abyss]

Making it 1 npc would make it require much less work, ye

[golden kayak]

I like purple-haired girls

[quiet abyss]

Though the suggestion still feels...a bit unnecessary

[golden kayak]

^

[brittle merlin]

Why exactly does the mod need an evil biome npc?

[quiet abyss]

Sure, it's adding more unique stuffs.
But, is there any other reason other than that?
Adding something just to make the mod feel more "unique" isn't exactly a good reason to make a suggestion.

[wind canyon]

well... it was worth the shot. but i could offer more ideas and try to stick up with both the lore and the gameplay. After all it just came up to my mind some time ago.

[void kelp]

it’s always good to discuss it here first!

[golden kayak]

Maybe we should really think about hm evil stuff?

[worthy fiber]

There's a bit of HM-tier stuff, namely Ichor/Cursed Flames

And the Dungeon weapons as well

Where the evil biomes die off is in the Post-ML part

[ashen warren]

Tbh I'd rather not, seeing as how the mod already jampacks content everywhere.
It'd just become oversaturated.

[civic pond]

I dont think every biome/area needs content throughout the whole game

[ashen warren]

exactly, fab delete jungle from post-ml

[golden kayak]

Jungle is laughing

[brittle merlin]

I still stand by my thought of more blood moon stuff

[civic pond]

blood moon is kinda relevant

[ashen warren]

The thing with blood moons is that they're just weak eclipses/moons.
We already have pumpkin moon 1 and 2, frost moon 1 and 2, solar eclipse 1 and 2, and a constant blood orb farm from the blood moon.

[wind canyon]

i was thinking of special effect of the blood moon when in evil biomes

[queen sail]

Is there literally any mod that adds unique enemies to the moon events

[wind canyon]

i don't know, the only mod i use is calamity

but i'm aware that theres other mods like tremor, thorium, etc

[tired haven]

Thorium adds to blood moon a lot, not sure if it does for pumpkin/frost tho

[golden kayak]

Thorium's blood moon is not 'a lot' it's 'only for early game healers and some annoying af enemies'

[sand umbra]

"and also to get the Confused Zombie so you don't have to nuke your world to find Viscount's chamber"

[golden kayak]

^

[sand umbra]

There's also the Bagpipe I guess, the Bard weapon that drops from Blood Zombies in Hardmode, but like.

Who wants to listen to the fucking Bagpipe.

Anywho I suppose the point is that there isn't really much of a point to a blood moon.

[civic pond]

terrarian bagpipes you say?

[golden kayak]

[ashen warren]

nani

[sand umbra]

Yes, one of the Bard weapons is a bagpipe. And true to its tooltip, it unleashes the worst instrument-related sound in existence.

[civic pond]

[brittle merlin]

What about the vuvuzela

[cyan lagoon]

vuvuzela is plantera?

[sand umbra]

The group of Plantera drops, yeah.

I've. Never actually heard what they sound like.

[brittle merlin]

It sounds horrible

[wind canyon]

[loud steeple]

I hate finding viscunts chamber

[hollow saffron]

@ashen warren lmao you stole my idea

nice one

[ashen warren]

Seriously?

Sorry; I didn't see it. Which part of that did I take?

I didn't mean to steal any of your ideas. I just meant to complement yours and say that only summon weapons in hm should have autoswing

@hollow saffron

[golden kayak]

Some good reasoning here.

[tired haven]

Funnily enough it's a "Don't"

[radiant meadow]

is it?

[civic pond]

[radiant meadow]

I literally don't remember anything from the doc

[tired haven]

"plague summon weapon"

(don't get me wrong, I'm 106% for this thing to be implemented)

[radiant meadow]

I'll let the suggestion pass anyways I guess

[tired haven]

[west prairie]

it's not specific enough to be a specific item

i really do not give two shits what form the weapon takes

but the fact that "super queen bee" leaves queen bee's niche empty is pretty glaring

[tired haven]

It is not a specific item, but it checks out fully with the description of one of "banned" suggestion templates so I had to point that out

(not sure if banned is right word here)

[plucky prairie]

perhaps discouraged is a better word?

[tired haven]

Ye

[lost agate]

Its more so just a "constantly suggested"

Doesnt matter if its suggested, its just suggested a lot

[west prairie]

id assume it's planned to be fair

[lost agate]

Maybe, i dont remember

[radiant meadow]

it's not a priority if it is planned

[cyan lagoon]

Idea: Replace most of the crafting materials of the Silva Armor with Silva Crystals and change the crafting station used to make them to the Effulgent Manipulator.

Why?: The recipe would be significantly more cleaner and consistent compared to current one, also more 'lore-friendly' (i use it loosely here) uses for the Silva Crystal and the Effulgent Manipulator.

Take a look at the current Silva armor recipe

scary stuff...

you can cut it down to this

[golden kayak]

What is this manipulator again?

[civic pond]

[golden kayak]

Oh i see nvm

[radiant meadow]

it's the crafting station to make silva furniture

it also functions as a light source

[balmy coyote]

Not sure if I want to make a crafting station only to use it for one armor set

[radiant meadow]

statigel armor and weapons aren't made at a static refiner iirc so it'd be a bit inconsistent over crafting stations

but most aerospec stuff is made at a skymill so idk

[civic pond]

i mean it would give more reason to craft these stations instead of just furniture

[golden kayak]

Only 1% of players crafts them.

[balmy coyote]

But you could easily take that as a waste of materials

[golden kayak]

I am sure.

[civic pond]

i have them all in my base for no reason

[balmy coyote]

Sky Mill is an exception since you can just find it in a floating island

[civic pond]

oh thats true.

[golden kayak]

Statigel is dropped.

[civic pond]

you're not able to find all of these lying around in the world

[golden kayak]

Gel is dropped.

[civic pond]

Still i dont see much wrong with crafting armor at these stations..

but i guess thats why we have draedons forge

[radiant meadow]

sky mill is kinda rare

which is why Calamity adds a recipe for sky mill

[civic pond]

lizhard furnace exists i think

also apparently you find hellforges..?

[ripe light]

yeah

they're all over the place in hell

[loud steeple]

I always have trouble finding hellforges

[ripe light]

i've never had a problem with it; usually the first thing i do when i get to hell

[cyan lagoon]

sky mill is world gen dependent

so the crafting recipe is for that incredible offchance that none of your islands has said sky mill

(makes you wonder why red didn't place said sky mill in the island houses though)

[smoky wagon]

Why is static refiner not used for statigel gear

i feel like some crafting stations are underutilized

[golden kayak]

^

Vanilla ones too

[civic pond]

thats what i said

but CDT said making crafting stations would be a waste of materials

[smoky wagon]

Static refiner literally drops from slime god

[civic pond]

i wasn't talking about static refiner in specific

[smoky wagon]

well the price of crafting stations could be lowered if it was an actual issue

but i dont think it really is

[civic pond]

I'd love to see these crating stations have more use eventually

[hearty yew]

I highly approve of PBG dropping a summon weapon.

[faint needle]

never played summoner and didnt even know qb has a summon armour but i also approved

[golden kayak]

[livid coral]

Yeah it just makes bees stronger

[faint needle]

such armor complexity

[golden kayak]

Vanilla quality content is a meme.

[sand umbra]

/decides to take a gander in suggestions

/suggestion for a PBG summon

[civic pond]

on the donts doc but people seem all for it

[smoky wagon]

its not a "dont"

[civic pond]

well

[smoky wagon]

its just frequently suggested

[civic pond]

oh wait a second

is that the example given?

[sand umbra]

very frequently suggested

also semi-recently requested, and not necessarily in suggestions

[civic pond]

[sand umbra]

[sinful violet]

[sand umbra]

hi mrrp

o/

[crystal osprey]

Mrrp is god

[marble mirage]

well, i tried again with this suggestion thing

[civic pond]

you know

its not a bad idea to discuss the idea here first

but we'll see how this goes

[marble mirage]

ye, i sorta screwed up

that and i'm too much of a dumbshit to actually discuss things instead of going right in

[void kelp]

that’s valid but keep that in mind for next time!

[marble mirage]

okay, i'll try

but yeah, i sorta
never understood why the insignia was post-providence outside of it requiring the Badge of Bravery

[hollow shell]

@civic pond It hasn't been a week yet

[civic pond]

oh my god i did it again

[hollow shell]

2 more days

[civic pond]

[hollow shell]

(shall I delet or will you)

[civic pond]

i knew i forgot something

[hollow shell]

(ok cool)

[civic pond]

i was gonna look at the dates

[marble mirage]

smitten

[civic pond]

2 days it shall be then.

[marble mirage]

now my probably shitty suggestion gets to live a little longer

[queen sail]

@knotty current :sproot:

[knotty current]

what?

[unique vector]

@maiden eagle shadowspec bars are reserved for dev-tier items, not patron items.

it is also against the rules to suggest a shadowspec item

please revise your suggestion or it will be deleted shortly

[golden kayak]

@maiden eagle I think there are planned items for this tier anyway.
(And it is in don't"s)

[maiden eagle]

Well, I didn't know it was against the rules to suggest shadowspec items.

[brittle merlin]

if you checked the pins you would know

[void kelp]

they have suggestions rules

[queen sail]

Wasn’t the reason summoner proficiency gets better bonuses than the others because summoner suffers

Like, in general

[radiant meadow]

summoner needs the proficiency boost more than other classes, ye

overall though, whatever class you choose, it's a pretty nice boost

[placid girder]

Tbh

Just add like 1 extra minion to hm helmets

And 2 to post ml

Then yeet extra minion slot proficiency

[lost agate]

Post ml summoner doesnt need a buff

Like at all

[terse sundial]

post-ml summoner is really good rn

[lost agate]

Yeah like, everything pre provi dies to axes, then you get profaned artifact and cosmilamp and you slap all sentinels and polter, then you get mechworm which its decent on yharon but nuggets just destroy him and for scal you can just combine worm nuggets and immat and you will do just fine

[hollow shell]

It wasn't a buff proposal

It was a way to make summoner proficiency less disproportionately better than the other proficiencies by moving minion slots from it to armors

[lost agate]

Well it kinda is a buff, if you get more slots normally and then give more stats via proficiency it kinda is a buff

But i see what u mean

[hollow shell]

Okay

[void kelp]

I think I suggested this before, but I think it makes sense in that the boosts for other classes are disproportionately weak, even if the boosts for summoner are to make up for summoner’s weaknesses

[hollow shell]

You did suggest this before

Tis why this one's bluechecked

[void kelp]

yeah

[gaunt gazelle]

melee size
true melee gang rise up

[queen delta]

I'd say nerf summoner proficiency, but no one would like that

[plucky matrix]

would end up like your polter sugma

[queen delta]

[sleek wadi]

Summoner boost helps everyone more than it helps summoner funnily enough. Max it out and you get a free Yharon Son for Yharon 2 and Scal.