:adios:
#suggestions-discussion
young fog
terse sundial
it hurts to send in those suggestions also knowing that they will be rejected or ignored
gaunt gazelle
hmmm yes now we scroll for 2 seconds instead of 3 to see good suggestions
lost agate
Uh, thats not the problem
But i have said it so many times already i dont think anyone is gonna bother understanding anymore
ashen warren
I recall suggestions never getting in and it being a meme.
Was it still the case?
jovial spire
Anyways i was possibly thinking that it would be nice if Ethreal Tailsman maybe had a sort of config like Elysian Aeigis to turn on and off the auto mana potions by making it shown and hidden respectivly
ashen warren
A change such as this sounds like it'd make it work out to higher suggestions added ratio.
jovial spire
As sometimes the forced auto mana potions can be inconvenient
or one my simply prefer to just regen their mana without having to keep even more track of their mana
gaunt gazelle
how is drinking mana potions inconvenient
ashen warren
Mana sickness.
jovial spire
mana sickness
ashen warren
gottem
lost agate
It was hard to implement item suggestions that were so specific, because we literally have an entire update worth of rogue shit, 50 patreon items and much more already planned
That and some suggestions just sounded like pure torture to coders
jovial spire
-20-40% magic damage
jovial spire
for 3-6 seconds iirc
lost agate
There has literally been so few specific item suggestions that got in that i could potentially count then with my fingers
jovial spire
thats about 1/33333
west prairie
im honestly wondering why they were allowed to begin with if there was no intention of including any
ashen warren
That's not the case.
They were gonna be added but nobody had good ideas or just painful ideas.
lost agate
Or said ideas were already planned in some other way
It was basically a hit or miss and it was almost always a miss
west prairie
to be fair, valk told me they were good ideas, the issue is -- yeah the weapon progression roadmap was laid out
terse sundial
ye, a lot of things are already planned out
west prairie
whatever gap they could fill was planned to be filled
unique vector
the way i see it, its an issue with people not knowing the mod roadmap and the devs not being able to leak a large chunk of that roadmap
gaunt gazelle
why arent devs allowed to tell things?
west prairie
preserve surprise and hype
unique vector
bc the ban is in place people are still free to give ideas for us to implement within the mod, at the same time making sure people don’t suggest something overly complicated as well as something thats already planned
queen sail
Why do you think they don't say much about Draedon and Yharim's fight?
lost agate
We could potentially let people know what kind of things we dont have planned, but theres just so much already
unique vector
yes its common in any developer scene to hide a good chunk of planned content to give players excitement
gaunt gazelle
or the whole planned content
west prairie
i could forsee item suggestions being reopened in a few years when the mod is "finished"
lost agate
And anything that could be missing might be filled in by patreons already
vocal grotto
Excitement can be a double edged sword though.
west prairie
in the sense of all planned content being finished
livid coral
We have like 50+ patreon items
unique vector
basically
vocal grotto
I doubt that'll happen anytime soon
unique vector
also yes patron items are giving us a headache rn
gaunt gazelle
give every boss bullethells in death 2
vocal grotto
What are the ideas for the patron weps, if that's something that can be revealed?
ashen warren
One thing I'd say is, for known gaps in progression and stuff just have a roadmap saying what items will be added.
Makes suggestions to add something for those reasons not be something already planned.
lost agate
For the mean time, you can help polish whats already ingame
livid coral
We still have four bosses, including Post Draedon and post Yharim content. But that's not for months, maybe a year
We can't reveal patreon stuff because it's at the donor's integrity
ashen warren
Not names/mechanics.
Just like "there'll be a new rogue item at post-EoC" or smth.
vocal grotto
I see.
vocal grotto
queen sail
livid coral
Oh god the brick I love it
lost agate
unique vector
coded by yours truly ^
gaunt gazelle
lost agate
gaunt gazelle
finally some good content
jovial spire
Make Ethreal Tailsman be able to disable auto mana potions by making it hidden
Why this should be added: In some cases auto mana potions can be inconvenient for some players as the mana sickness debuff decreases mana damage be a sizable amount (20-40% less damage) and the players who prefer to regenterate their mana naturally can play without having to keep even more constant tabs on their mana so they dont accidently get mana sickness. Putting this in would be a good fix for players like these.
livid coral
I can also reveal my patreon/dev thing will be armor and it'll probably be added at Draedon content
unique vector
ye thats good cfalc
vocal grotto
can't wait to flood Termi's DMs asking for things I can do again 
jovial spire
kk
unique vector
lol
gaunt gazelle
just dont drop to 0 mana 4head
livid coral
Also the armor will be... familiar, if you know me.
west prairie
anyone can ask me about my donor item tbh
signal prairie
is dying to know what is it
jovial spire
what is it
gaunt gazelle
what is it
livid coral
Yeah they can
vocal grotto
Will it be a pain in the ass to code? 
west prairie
spear
livid coral
It's at their integrity after all
west prairie
basically
brittle merlin
o
livid coral
thspear
brittle merlin
cool spear
unique vector
lilac is it bear related?
livid coral
Actually is it rogue
gaunt gazelle
it better be true melee
jovial spire
ooh what does it do
vocal grotto
Go on then
livid coral
Also nah it's not Bear related
west prairie
its meant to be a melee weapon
gaunt gazelle
true melee gang rise up
livid coral
:C
unique vector
o
queen sail
Fool
sleek wadi
True memee spear???
unique vector
blackhand that looks like a SotC upgrade
brittle merlin
did you sprite that?
queen sail
Ranged melee is god class
livid coral
Rogue is god
queen sail
sleek wadi
Also a true melee spear that could reach Scal would be fan-fuckin'-tabulous
brittle merlin
rogue is one of my favorite classes
west prairie
and it will fire soul-edge-style projectiles which themselves make shadowflame hex doll style tendrils that arc towards enemies
unique vector
oh yeah, this is sug discussion
west prairie
its one of those "miss on purpose" weapons
unique vector
to #calamity-mod-talk we go
vocal grotto
OK. I'll begin working on it
west prairie
oh it is isnt it
unique vector
smh
sleek wadi
Would "True melee spear long enough to reach Scal" be vague enough to throw into suggestions?
terse sundial
melee already has 5 options for SCal
gaunt gazelle
he said true melee
gaunt gazelle
coldheart vs scal
sleek wadi
True melee, not normal melee. Currently True Melee can't kill Scal without some super dummy shenanigans, and I'm pretty sure those were patched out.
gaunt gazelle
bonk is the only way
plucky prairie
have the gladiator's locket's damage scale based on your progression in the game
several other accessories scale based on progress and i find it kinda odd that those dont
unique vector
sounds good
hollow shell
Which accessories are you talking about?
Fungal Symbiote and Luxor's Gift are based on weapon damage, because they only activate on firing a weapon
whereas the Gladiator swords are passive minions
@plucky prairie
plucky prairie
the elementals
hollow shell
I see.
Shit.
Progression scaling is a Suggestion Don't
because of the increased balancing load
plucky prairie
m
that makes sense
i mean im just imagining something like it getting a set amount of damage added per boss slain and maybe an extra one upon entering hardmode
plucky prairie
its pre-boss
lost agate
So is luxor gift tbf
gaunt gazelle
shield of cthulu is enough phm accesories that are good all game
lost agate
And unstable prism too
plucky prairie
iirc you can get all shrine stuff pre-boss
lost agate
Yeah you can
plucky prairie
although the abyss one is a bit hard to do
gaunt gazelle
abyss is locked tho?
plucky prairie
no its just really hard to get to
considering the darkness and strength of enemies
plucky prairie
thats just the normal loot chests
jovial spire
nope its locked
ashen warren
Abyss chests should be locked.
jovial spire
a week ago i was getting terminus and frogot my shadow key and couldnt open it
proven tide
@sand umbra please no
it's hard enough fighting the sentinels enough times to fuel the mages' weapons desire as is
if you add more i'm just gonna have to do more work
sand umbra
earnest raptor
Changes to Supreme Calamitas
In general:
- Inner area are now 187x187 in all modes.
Expert: - Instead of firing hellblasts, SCal with moderate chance will perform new attack: she stops in place and throws several times a barrages of sphere projectiles that simular to Phantasmal Eyes, after last barrage she will continue moving.
- In phase 2 instead of fireballs SCal will shoot a long and extremely fast lasers with reduced firerate.
- Bullet hells have 16 seconds duration.
Revengeance: - At end of each bullet hell SCal will perform one of this attacks:
Spawns harmless big brimstone disks behind player that explode within short time. This attack longs a 8 seconds.
Shoots from sky a barrages from many brimstone spikes. 4 barrages will fired.
Spawns lasers from her body that sticks to random block from arena and will be harmless within few seconds. After that seconds lasers will materialize and become harmful. This lasers will stay within 7 seconds.
Spawns a white disk in random point of arena for each player. If players moves outside of this disks, after few seconds SCal will perform extremely deadly screen flash.
When SCal performs these attacks, she still invulnerable, at end she will become damageable.
Death:
- Lasers from Expert will be fired instead of fireballs in whole fight time.
- Supreme Cataclysm shoots Brimstone Spheres.
- Supreme Catastrophe shoots Brimstone Lasers in shotgun pattern.
- SCal dashes will be shorter but more aggressive.
Reason: currently, only change on SCal within different difficulty modes are stats: size of arena, HP, damage, speed. When other bosses gain a new attacks and other AI changes, that edits in SCal fights feels as uncreative way to increase difficulty. As result, SCal in different difficulties are almost same, nothing crucial changes, which contradict a bit with general idea of custom difficulty.
lost agate
Byes mage has the most weapons out of sentinel tier
terse sundial
^
sand umbra
terse sundial
mage has a bunch of options, especially post Polterghast
sand umbra
I'm not counting post-Polterghast for the purpose of the expression--
...somewhat-relevant note:
rip Aether's Whisper lole
lost agate
Uh why?
gaunt gazelle
remove mana from mirrors blade tbh
sand umbra
I tested it recently.
...it's. Less than impressive, although perhaps I oughta go through it again, give it another test.
lost agate
Its literally not nerfed
earnest raptor
My suggestion is decent?
lost agate
The fireballs from bloodflare are what were nerfed
If youre hitting stuff directly, yes you aint gonna get the best dmg anymore
gaunt gazelle
creative difficulty in death
lost agate
Hive mind
hollow shell
I feel like SCal suggestion is
a bit much
lost agate
Rev hive mind is just sad tho
hollow shell
Like so far out of reasonability that it has 0 chance of getting in
lost agate
Its missing like one attack imo
Maybe the enemy spawning one
Or the rain
Otherwise its just dash back and forth
ashen warren
I agree with making scal use more spell-like stuff since having her shoot fire bullets would be kinda weird when she gets human sprote.
sand umbra
SCal doesn't use Vivid Clarity.
lost agate
What if the fire bullets are spells
sand umbra
Worst boss fight, literally unplayable.
hollow shell
Frizz
sand umbra
sand umbra
92 - Death SCal now uses a variation of Vivid Clarity upon reaching 8% health. - Done ✅
zenith hazel
can't you don't Thomas
gaunt gazelle
93 - SCal no longer has brothers, long live true melee gang
sand umbra
true melee
zenith hazel
seekers are still a problem
sand umbra
gaunt gazelle
earnest raptor
Added enemy attack
plucky matrix
for that scal suggestion: I feel like that would make the fight a bit over the top, also I strongly dislike "with moderate chance", the fight is hard enough, no reason to throw rng in there
ashen warren
10x10 or bust
sand umbra
What the bruh is this.
ashen warren
Scal but painer.
sand umbra
And why is it burying my Mirror Blade fix--
plucky matrix
lmfao
sand umbra
earnest raptor
Edited.
ashen warren
y'know who needs a sentinel weapon
summoner and rogue, makes it 2 for every class last I thought about it.
summoner need a weapon like everywhere
sand umbra
Summoner has Cosmilamps.
Rogue has the Cosmic Kunai and there may very well be another Sentinel-tier rogue drop coming soon.
plucky matrix
the suggestion has a little... too much content. it would change scal drastically, I don't think that's what devs, or anyone really want
ashen warren
you have one weapon you should be grateful
meanwhile melee and mage have like double everyone else
sand umbra
Aether's Whisper is bruh unless you use the 200 IQ strat of intentionally nuking the walls, and Dark Spark and the Dungeon staff upgrades are post-Polter.
proven tide
bruh melee has more swords than any other class has weapons
sand umbra
^
plucky matrix
lmao, not wrong
sand umbra
I've never used the Mistlestorm. Might test that out later.
The point I was making is that the Mirror Blade as it is right now is completely impractical.
o3o
proven tide
calamity melee alone has 118 swords
plucky matrix
pretty sure vanilla + clam melee has ~190 swords
proven tide
nice
ashen warren
I mean, if tarragon melee armor still works the same then mirror blade can facetank polt.
sand umbra
If you, as a melee player, consist of a partially mage loadout.
Mirror Blade requires mana to swing.
ashen warren
The mana upgrades and bonus mana from armor was enough last I checked.
proven tide
mage coolest and strongest class, rogue most fun, summoner legit best, ranged is ♿, and melee exists
sand umbra
A melee player in a normal playthrough, practically speaking, never just conveniently carries around a large supply of mana potions.
ashen warren
You can't do it on expert but you can burn polt in rev+
I'm saying you don't need potions.
sand umbra
With a mana cost of 4 and a use time of merely 8, the Mirror Blade figuratively and quite literally sees limited use as it is.
proven tide
is the reason you will struggle with romantic intimacy for the rest of your life
burned
sand umbra
Also last I checked there are several much less niche options that work just as well for Polter.
ashen warren
I'm talking about trumelee polt.
sand umbra
Mirror Blade isn't true melee though. 
ashen warren
Tbh buff mirror blade base damage and remove the projectile.
sand umbra
It always fires a projectile regardless of whether you actually hit something.
ashen warren
it realistically should be trumeme
sand umbra
Okay, follow-up question:
Why?
I'm not saying it's inherently a bad idea. I'd just like to know your reasoning.
ashen warren
Cause it has no use outside of facetanking stunts.
It has a trumelee themed attack buff.
but shoots dumb mirrors.
sand umbra
And has a mana cost for some reason.
A mana cost that, if not met, makes the blade entirely unusable.
Seriously can someone explain to me why that even ended up there in the first place?
ashen warren
I agree that mirror blade has an identity crisis, but it's just as useful as most other trumelee weapons.
teal ibex
what's this about memeing on polter? 👀
ashen warren
omgosh it's hec
Yea last I played you could damage polt down to 75%, turn on tarragon armor and adrenaline, the shred him to death with mirror blade, holy collider, or stellar striker.
Or just shred to like 10%, at which point it's easy to finish.
ashen warren
The 75% contact DR is fun to mess with.
queen delta
polter's gonna get memed on soon
earnest raptor
Okay, suggestion deleted.
signal prairie
I've already memed polter multiple times
sand umbra
Did a test.
The Mirror Blade, with no potions or Mana Flower and with 350 max mana to start...
Can be swung consistently for about 10 seconds.
ashen warren
You could put it in a doc.
Adrenaline lasts 5 seconds.
Therefore it's long enough.
ashen warren
yea you use stuff other than trumeme to damage polt down and wait for adrenaline
Pure trumelee is dumdum.
signal prairie
I didn't even attack him
ashen warren
And dumb mirrors.
sand umbra
Like, I killed deathmode polter with just traps
I'm sure you did. Not really relevant though because I'm trying to explain why the Mirror Blade has the identity crisis of the century.
signal prairie
polter's gonna get memed on soon I'm just saying
sand umbra
--;
ashen warren
yata teasing us
sand umbra
Just.
plucky matrix
polter. is. fine.
sand umbra
Either way, I want the Mirror Blade to have more of a purpose. Even if it stays a smelly melee weapon instead of the chad mage weapon I'd like it to grow up to be.
Because right now, despite its potential strengths, its mana cost and low use time coupled with a melee user not often going for high-mana builds leaves it with...limited usability in sustained combat.
sand umbra
Rogue will be chad once its expansion releases next update
ashen warren
I'm actually giddy about that update.
Agree on mirror blade, in most cases it lacks any use.
void kelp
does mirror blade still do the thing where if you run out of mana you can’t swing it
sand umbra
Yes.
Which is precisely why its usability is so limited. It requires mana to swing.
Yet it is classed by damage type as a melee weapon --- a class that never inherently focuses on maxing out their mana.
void kelp
oh man that is kinda silly
mystic grotto
Maybe change the sprite so it's not a blade though, unless they pull an aegis blade and give it a secondary mana attack
novel pebble
gaunt gazelle
it should be a melee weapon without magic cost
sand umbra
Either remove its mana cost or adjust its damage type to magic.
I'd prefer the later, because as a mage weapon it would actually be incredibly unique, but either way is acceptable.
I have very quickly grown a vendetta against melee and I don't know why, send help--
ashen warren
Tbh I hate "magic sord" but it could be neat.
The mana blades in thorium are just bad imo.
sand umbra
The Mirror Blade in general is incredibly unique.
And it's a shame that it sees such limited use.
gaunt gazelle
mana sickness only affects magic dmg right?
ashen warren
Yea.
gaunt gazelle
too bad mana flower takes up an accesory slot
sand umbra
Yeah, Mana Sickness is purely magic damage reduction.
gaunt gazelle
might actually make mirror blade useable
sand umbra
But a melee player
- hardly ever goes around maxing their mana, and
b) rarely ever carries a large supply of mana potions or a Mana Flower.
ashen warren
There's also the fact that if you aren't playing mage you probably don't want to deal with mana.
sand umbra
^
Melee players don't wanna deal with mana or ammo, they just wanna get into the thick of things, kick ass, and chew gum.
And be all out of gum.
ashen warren
sounds 'bout right
plucky prairie
make polterghast (or maybe ravager because that thing already drops tons of different materials) drop phantoplasm to add a better way of farming it because as is, it's fairly annoying to just sit in the dungeon and grind for a while in order to get enough to craft everything (even with the use of water/chaos candles and battle/zerg potions)
ashen warren
Polterghast does help phantoplasm farming.
plucky prairie
ashen warren
It spawns the phantom spirits.
proven tide
@languid badger specific item suggestions are not allowed
ashen warren
proven tide
God that was satisfying.
crystal osprey
Lol
proven tide
holy shit this guy turned around and requested that an existing weapon be entirely redesigned until it's a reskin of his illegal OC item
Didn't even change the main body of the suggestion
true melee weapon, fast use speed, inflicts a "holy flames" debuff when dealing damage.
what a time to be alive
ashen warren
Yea that doesn't sound like a fun weapon.
proven tide
ur not a fun weapon 😤
ashen warren
Time based mechanics are super annoying especially since cosmolight can't be used in a boss fight.
you're the worst weapon iirc
proven tide
how would you know how good a fetus is at commit death
what kind of shit do you get up to 
@languid badger you just changed the title of your suggestion and thought nobody would notice (seriously, you left the description the exact fucking same), so how about no
although i do appreciate the timescale concept
ashen warren
terry reacted to that suggestion lmao
mystic grotto
You dare challenge his new item suggestion rework
worthy fiber
You don't need to suggest a new item when you can just replace an existing one
mystic grotto
Honestly who needs the Holy Collider, at this point it's basically his mod and he can do as he pleases
Gotta admit it was a 200 IQ moment for him tho
I'll stop flaming before I get warned tho
queen delta
Reduce the afterimages
With the newest update came very cool afterimage effects for many weapons and bosses but some seem out of place or very excessive.
Examples
Supreme Calamitas’ darts
Exoblade projectiles
Subsuming Vortex
Celestus main projectile
Ideas?
crystal osprey
It can absolutely trash poltrr, sentinels, and DoG
mystic grotto
Personally only played a little bit today but if they're excessive and busy then I agree Yata
proven tide
@ashen warren oh yeah and thank you for letting me shit on whitenames
mystic grotto
I dont think there's any place for them in boss battles unless it's intended to make the projectiles harder to see (which it very well might be) but I don't think they belong in the SCal fight
ashen warren
bitch ur a whitename
mystic grotto
The screen is busy enough in a bullet hell i dont think afterimages are a good idea
You right
mystic grotto
I will go back to my hole
queen delta
Need more examples of excessive or unnecessary afterimages
ashen warren
Time to summon every enemy and use every item.
proven tide
oh fuc yea
plush knot
that holy collider rework suggestion is trash
zenith hazel
the reasoning is a bit weird
plush knot
whats the point of making a weapon super powerful at a specific time of day and making it absolutely useless at night
just hurts it's overall usefulness
proven tide
if you scroll up you'll see the point
zenith hazel
well yeah it makes sense for it to be not as strong as other weapons because it’s true melee
proven tide
or pay close attention to context in the message
true melee weapon, fast use speed, inflicts a "holy flames" debuff when dealing damage.
plush knot
oof
that sly dog, they had us monologuing
monologging?
mono...
im having a stroke
void kelp
the fact that it’s been never used
golden kayak
There are a few weapons in Calamity with the same "problem".
placid girder
yeah like baleful harvester
unique vector
deleted the holy collider suggestion
too specific and overall felt like it was trying to subtly change it into a new weapon
proven tide
cheers
golden kayak
What about making Hermes Boots more expensive?
Because 70 cobweb is a joke.
Nowhere near to bottles, even Cloud.
ruby cobalt
nah tbh
golden kayak
Why?
ruby cobalt
boots are excruciatingly annoying to look for
if you don't get them from your first 3 chests, that is
opal barn
It's supposed to be cheap to not make pre-hm be as slow as it is
golden kayak
Okay 
proven tide
everyone: phm is slow, i prefer post-ml speed
fab: 👍
levi: phm is slow, i prefer post-ml speed
fab:ENGAGE CRIPPLING ITEM NERF
you actually get better mobility if you use angel treads and wings until the second set of tracers are available
smh
anywaybackontopic point is it is acknowledged that phm is slow and the usefulness of hermes is considered a convenience, not a rare boon, in balancing
so cheap boi is probably best left as is
golden kayak
I enjoy early game smh.
Not too much, but I do not suffer at least.
Because for some reason everyone hates early game.
prisma pike
I hate early game until after BoC or EoW
worthy fiber
It's fine to like early-game
prisma pike
It's too slow
zenith hazel
early-game is kinda sluggish
worthy fiber
It's just weirdly different to HM
HM gives you like, a wild amount of control right off the bat
wing momentum
golden kayak
Give Sandstorm in a bottle, Bloon, Boots, horshoe and lava waders in starter bag because too sloOOOOOOOOOw
proven tide
owo give only one of the above, randomised
many people enjoy it
i think you'll find that some enjoy it, a lot dislike it, and the majority just tolerate it
prisma pike
The ones who enjoy it play casual and aren't here to talk a bout it
Most of my friends like early game
proven tide
'casual' doesn't mean 'inferior' or 'clueless' or 'inexperienced'
just players who aren't into particular specialised investments
i for one am a hardcore multiplayer monoclass runner
you go that class and i go this class and we gotta have qol mods
but casual players play to play
prisma pike
Casual is just the opposite of hardcore
plush knot
is nerfing the lion fish by just a little bit a good idea?
proven tide
depends on what kind of nerf you're looking at
plush knot
it felt way too strong when i used it against slime god compared to the archer fish
prisma pike
Imo they are all good as they are
prisma pike
A bit strong
opal barn
Lion fish is better against SG but worse against Wof, Archerfish is worse against SG but better against WoF
golden kayak
It's size SUCKS
ashen warren
The size helps with aiming though.
golden kayak
Uhh
Maybe?
hollow saffron
"In addition to the above suggestion, give all NPCs different quotes when they're in a certain biome.
Why: It would really add to there character and show how the existence of a place really makes them change their mood.
Some examples of changes/additions to their dialogue would be:
-If an NPC is moved to a Calamity-exclusive biome(Sunken/Sulphurous Sea, Brimstone Crags, Astral Infection)
-If an NPC is moved to a biome after the defeat of a boss(Hallow/Underworld post-ML, Jungle post-Golem, Underground Tundra post-Cryogen)
Just thought that this would add to the personalities of the NPCs."
Is this a good suggestion or has this been added before
worthy fiber
Don't think it has
golden kayak
Write them all by yourself
hollow saffron
And I should implemenmt them all by myself
hearty yew
@near crown I actually did that already! She had 5 or 6 lines she would say if you talked to her while a boss was alive. Fab removed it though.
near crown
aww why?
golden kayak
"You are not even good enough to kill this piece of ...wyrm without my help? Pathetic."
Heal (Cost: 1plat20g).
placid moth
"Look, my healing supplies have been disrupted and burned by this fire moth you summoned, I am gonna charge you extra high for this."
placid moth
are sentries considered a subclass
worthy fiber
Kinda
civic pond
ok here's another question
worthy fiber
Vanilla is weird with summoner
civic pond
are sentries any easier to code than normal summons?
hollow saffron
"Why should I heal you? I'm risking my life just to save yours."
Cost: 10p37g
smoky wagon
sentries probably should be easier considering they don’t need movement coded
they either float in place or fall to the ground
smoky wagon
the only real difficulty is making them shoot at enemies
but i think again there is pre-existing code for that
civic pond
i mean tbf the energy staff is probably as simple as you get for a sentry
worthy fiber
They're pretty cool
lost agate
i still have no idea how to code homing stuff
smoky wagon
i wouldnt really call them a subclass considering they can be freely used alongside regular summons
worthy fiber
I think early-game could use a sentry, some way for the player to defend themselves without relying too much on minion AI
(as a pure summoner)
civic pond
i agree with that.
placid moth
The only reason why I would even use sentries is for OOA
smoky wagon
sun spirit staff is kind of a sentry
civic pond
sentries seem kind of useless during bosses ngl
placid moth
And pair it with the armors
worthy fiber
Sun Spirit takes up a minion slot though
worthy fiber
sentry spam time
smoky wagon
unless your arena is the entire map a sentry should be able to hit it alot
placid moth
what a good suggestion
worthy fiber
@mint steppe please be more specific
placid moth
please dont make KS any more aggravating than it is rn
civic pond
also didn't yata already suggest changes for KS fight in other modes?
placid moth
it's an early game boss, and this shit gets to teleport
plucky matrix
The teleports can be very bs at times
placid moth
^
worthy fiber
Not sure how to feel about KS
worthy fiber
Kinda feels like I need everything I can get if I want to fight it
Even if it's the first boss
worthy fiber
teleportation momentum
placid moth
Is this guy not gonna defend his suggestion
civic pond
if so i've never had it happen to me
plucky matrix
Kinda yes
hollow saffron
@mint steppe Add a reason why
Why should there be a new attack, besides him doing literally 100 damage
if you hit him
mint steppe
1.In battle start the slime rain OR 2.Throws a gel ball (balance to rope using players)
plucky matrix
I do
smoky wagon
removing rope cheese is banned
smoky wagon
or trying to counteract it
placid moth
@mint steppe Did we not just say this was a bad idea
civic pond
trying to stop players from using the rope cheese is banned
mint steppe
-.-
civic pond
bro
golden kayak
Slime rain is bullshit
radiant pivot
I agree
livid coral
That being said I do have biome specific dialogue in the works for NPCs
Specifically those where you get unique items in biomes
placid girder
Npc dialogue for mods goes super unappreciated
hollow saffron
@mint steppe give a reason as to why it needs to be implemented
hollow shell
He kinda did
Those five words in parentheses
hollow saffron
ehok
opal barn
perhaps it would be better for it to be post-ml rather than post-golem
since you need to do a lot of shit in post-ml dungeon
Unless the eidolists don't spawn post-ml and i'm doing a big brain
opal barn
But still clog up the inventory
tawny tide
but yes all the useless stuff they drop is inventory clutter especially whne they drop both the vanity set and the tablet
on top of the lumenyl and ectoplasm
only one of the four being present in the dungeon normally
unique vector
@ashen warren mind explaining why?
ashen warren
Because it's really hard and pointless to do
Just like killing a Dungeon Guardian with vanilla stuff.(which you're rewarded for)
unique vector
so why do it lol
ashen warren
Yes
unique vector
does skeletron or skeletron prime award you any sort of bonus for killing the head before the limbs
ashen warren
no
unique vector
so why should it apply to calamitas doppel when shes a normal boss
DG and adult eidolon wyrm are exceptions because they aren’t meant to be fought in the first place
ashen warren
I dunnno just a random idea I had
unique vector
calamitas is a boss
theres no need for her to drop something special for killing her while bros are alive
golden kayak
DG drops a cool reward.
Calamitas is in a cool spot in progression, she openg up enough stuff.
lost agate
That KS suggestions is in the donts smh
plucky matrix
they looked better? wha
ashen warren
love these subjective suggestions
tawny tide
looked better
hollow shell
@ashen warren You mean when they looked the same?
Or did they get a resprite in the recent update I'm not aware about?
terse sundial
pretty sure they are referring to when they looked the same
void kelp
@tribal zephyr please 
hollow shell
Yeah that's in the Suggestion Don'ts doc
Rogue is going to become more distinct as its own class, and will not be connected to throwing any more
brittle merlin
Don’t fragment please
civic pond
wha
tribal zephyr
rogue and throwing is essentially the same thing
like the only major difference is the cloak effect
big woop
hollow shell
And the devs are currently working on making them more distinct
civic pond
throwing is getting killed in 1.4
terse sundial
that will change very soon ^
civic pond
so just wait
civic pond
and you should stick to rogue
hollow shell
Yeah but the Throwing stat is getting killed
tribal zephyr
and get ranged buffs from it
brittle merlin
But throwing is just going to be moved into ranged in 1.4 so they would have to merge rogue with ranged
tribal zephyr
so its not getting killed off
queen delta
Cant compare rogue to throwing if throwing doesnt exist anymore 
tribal zephyr
just making it more viable late game
hollow shell
It won't be a separate thing anymore
terse sundial
Rogue will remain its own class
tribal zephyr
till then can we atleast right click the weapons to switch them to throwing??
that would be dope
brittle merlin
Rogue is it’s own class
ashen warren
Fargo already asked fab on this, executive no.
terse sundial
throwing will be gone soon, so it will just be a complete waste of time
queen delta
And since when can melee be rigut clicked to ranger?
brittle merlin
That’s also only with certain weapons
hollow shell
(are you talking about Thorium Thor's Hammer?)
tribal zephyr
executive no on a suggestion that would make the mod more compatible with other shit till journeys end comes in
brittle merlin
Mage can also be ranged with aethers whisper
tribal zephyr
and this bitch said no to fargo allowing it to be right clicked to throwing
when
you throw
the weapons
brittle merlin
Stop fragmenting
tawny tide
journeys end is a 2019 release so patching something 'until 1.4' seems like a waste of time
tribal zephyr
you're a waste of time
hollow shell
This conversation has already been had
I know you're new so you haven't heard it before, but this has already been discussed
brittle merlin
Can he be warned or something
hollow shell
Not happening, I'm sorry Chancii
tribal zephyr
journeys end is set for end of 2019 2020
plucky matrix
oh ok
ashen warren
Alright, that'll be a warn, I was gonna be nice and let ya off with a verbal, but with a slur like that AND fragmenting, enough's enough.
void kelp
oh jeez a racial slur
civic pond
rest in rip throwing
plucky matrix
sending
messages
like
this
hollow shell
Sending several messages to break up a sentence when you only need to send one
yeah that
tribal zephyr
whats the problem with me typing like that?
hollow shell
Spam
civic pond
it clogs the chat
plucky matrix
it spams the chat quite a bit
queen delta
Sure we could give an option to convert rogue to throwing, but why should we?
tribal zephyr
does it actually cause that much of a problem on this server
plucky matrix
sometimes it does, yes
civic pond
when multiple people fragment it can get bad
brittle merlin
It’s annoying
void kelp
spam can also be just taking several lines of chat to scroll through
tribal zephyr
StOp FrAgMeNtInG DuDe
ashen warren
you're arguing against a mod that knows the rules
tribal zephyr
InHaLitoR
plucky prairie
wasnt something said about calamity not touching vanilla throwing stuff at all?
tribal zephyr
StOp
queen delta
Clearly you’re just here to disrupt our peace
tribal zephyr
not at all
brittle merlin
Why are you making this worse for yourself
tribal zephyr
i asked a simple question but im here to see you guys get pissed
void kelp
it’s been said several times yeah
ashen warren
When it's done repeatedly, it gets annoying to read and continue a conversation with, hence why the rule exists. There are more forms of spam than just nonsensically flooding chat. If you're not going to contribute in a meaningful way here then you should probably quit while you're behind.
plucky matrix
aaaaand that's a mute now probably
queen delta
Then don’t be an ass
tribal zephyr
im not breaking any rules
void kelp
I mean,, a lot of this stuff is explained in the suggestion don’ts doc, is it not?
tribal zephyr
i came in said my piece and you guys are buggin out
hollow shell
brittle merlin
You came here to suggest something and when we told you why it won’t happen you start mocking us?
void kelp
uh yeah, you are. you’re being disruptive, you said a racial slur, you’re insulting people
tribal zephyr
your opinion on me being a dick doesn't mean i broke a rule
im not insulting anyone
hollow shell
Yeah you are indeed mocking us
tribal zephyr
what the fuck???
hollow shell
When you told inhalator to stop fragmenting, with the oscillating text
plush knot
thats a fragment right there
hollow shell
that's called mocking
brittle merlin
?
plush knot
if you took what i said as a fragment, then your message can count as a fragment aswell
hollow shell
Ok
ashen warren
Fragmenting messages, being a general nuisance, and derailing the conversation from suggestions to your behaviour. Definitely seems like you're intent on breaking rules, even with the warn. Keep it up and you'll get muted, it's that simple.
tribal zephyr
you guys derailed the conversationg wtf
i wanted to keep talking about the throwing
signal prairie
Your being told by multiple people to stop, let it go, etc. These people know what their doing and they've been here much longer than you have. Let. It. Go.
tribal zephyr
you guys went from that to STOP FRAGMENTING
void kelp
idk dude you’re the one who walked in to suggest something that’s been on the “hey don’t suggest this” page for like, ever
brittle merlin
There are pins you should read before posting anything
queen delta
Clearly we can tell at this point he’s not going to stop
tribal zephyr
therefore i can speak on how it would benefit the mod
but you guys attacked me on fragmenting
signal prairie
I agree with yata
brittle merlin
But it’s in the document of things that will never happen
void kelp
ooor you read the reason why it wouldn’t be incorporated
plucky prairie
add an indicator for life regen and minion slots (similar to the defense indicator)
void kelp
oh saice that’s a good idea
ashen warren
Enough, you get a free mute. Now let's get back on topic. This has been derailed long enough.
void kelp
add in a reason why
brittle merlin
I do like that idea
signal prairie
Calamity is a great mod
civic pond
An accessory similar to a tally counter or radar that displays those?
signal prairie
I recommend checking it out
civic pond
plucky prairie
considering the number of accessories and effects that change life regen and minion it can be difficult to keep track of
void kelp
oh definitely; some mods add in a stat sheet and since calamity buffs regen and minion slots w consumables and proficiency and all, I think it’ll be nifty
plush knot
the only decent part about chancii's suggestion is how there should be buffs that affect both rogue and throwing damage, but then again whats the point of throwing when rogue just outshines it in every way except beenades
plucky matrix
they're supposed to be different classes
civic pond
we shouldn't have any suggestions to throwing at all.
signal prairie
It's in the doc as a nono
civic pond
its getting axed in 1.4 anyways
so all changes to it are meaningless
also rogue is literally the same as throwing but better 
queen sail
Which means that beenades are gonna become ranged weapons
Aka more ranger bias as i see
civic pond
oh well
plucky prairie
oo and also a damage reduction indicator
queen sail
:echsupreme:
plucky prairie
aight imma suggest
void kelp
don’t forget the reason !!
plucky prairie
yea
queen sail
Pretty much every boss is built for ranged
signal prairie
^
queen sail
Ml true melee is borderline impossible unless you’re fast as shit
Or have a bigass spear
queen sail
Also uhhhh
plucky prairie
bruh
void kelp
ML true melee works smh
If not for the fact that some flails are now true melee I’d be suggesting more true melee weapons
civic pond
im glad flails are true melee now
they let you damage a boss without having to be point blank
signal prairie
^
civic pond
👍
placid girder
Grand guardian was viable for ml for a bit
civic pond
GG isn't bad
plush knot
is having more ranger accessories a good idea?
civic pond
i doubt ranger needs anymore
well
I dont think elemental quiver effects guns does it..?
plush knot
it does
but i feel like there should be alternatives to the amalgam and core of the bloodgod
civic pond
ah i see.
hollow shell
I'm relatively baffled that there's no way to see your DR except with the use of outside mods
considering Calamity is pretty DR-heavy
placid girder
I think summoners association has a summons one
hollow shell
It does
ashen warren
@hollow shell Yes they have been resprited not in the latest update but a few updates ago.
hollow shell
The Rage and Adrenaline bars haven't had that old texture since 2018...
a bit late on the suggestion, lol
ashen warren
The bars were changed like a year ago yea.
As I recall there wasn't much fuss over it.
plush knot
just asking, but has there been suggestion about how the amalgam should have the feature to toggle the fungal clump similar to the charge of the asgard's valor+?
ashen warren
Searching "toggle amalgam in:suggestions" found nothing.
civic pond
fair enough
signal prairie
Discord in general sucks ass, idk what your talking about sors
hollow shell
By the way, while we're on the topic of old suggestions
Tomorrow I'm going to move the bluecheck cut-off date forward
civic pond
?
ashen warren
@hollow shell Yeah but still the new ones are kinda ugly
hollow shell
I was thinking January 1st but maybe it should be February or even March
civic pond
bluecheck cutoff?
hollow shell
currently it's October 1st 2018 which is way too far back to be reasonable
plush knot
whats that
civic pond
im a little in the dark here, fill me in
hollow shell
Look at the legend in pins
civic pond
ah i see.
hollow shell
It's the date that a suggestion has to be made after for suggestions to get bluechecked based off of it
plush knot
so the expiration date of suggestions?
hollow shell
Like, if Inhalator posted that Amalgam suggestion, I'd get bluechecked cuz that shaggy pfp guy posted his after October 1st
hollow shell
So tomorrow
gonna move it forward
October 2018 was a long time ago
Dunno how far forward I should move it though
plush knot
maybe around january-march?
plush knot
infact, you were the one who suggested it a month ago
hollow shell
yeah that's why there's no need
if somebody else suggested it before, it'd be bluechecked
signal prairie
I'm doing this as a test, I want to say this now. If it does hit 90 stars don't send it in, this is a test to see if the suggestions channel still has a ton of people that look through it on a daily basis.
hollow shell
...?
plush knot
so you wanted to know how many people check the suggestions channel?
civic pond
plush knot
opal barn
It does
civic pond
im in interestedish
lost agate
Cant you just.... Wait until someone send a legit suggestion?
opal barn
I'm deleting it and you can't stop me
signal prairie
I'm conducting an experiment here for a study I'm writing about this discord
hollow shell
oh boy
void kelp
Idk if less people are looking at suggestions or if less people are interacting
opal barn
You have several suggestions to pick from.
lost agate
Yata suggestion literally has 100 stars
hollow shell
Thomas's from earlier today (technically) has 78
lost agate
^
civic pond
that says something
void kelp
kinda sad our fishing suggestions aren’t hitting the threshold,, not enough people fish
civic pond
i wish they did
opal barn
let me repost it so it will get more votes due to my roles
ashen warren
it's sad cause it's true
void kelp
;((
lost agate
cries in suggestion thats in like 50 stars rn
lost agate
Well yes but its more of a "is it good for a lot of people too?"
civic pond
im confused 
lost agate
Confused on what?
civic pond
tera's statement
civic pond
oh
so people are more biased to star suggestions when someone has an important role..?
queen sail
Probably
sinful violet
wtf how come my suggestion to make scal always one hit you didn’t get stars bro 😔
tawny tide
thats a natural thing tho
queen sail
Though tbf I always take Yata’s boss suggests as valid
tawny tide
people are more likely to trust and respect people who have been recognized in one way
queen sail
Considering he’s a tester for rev/death and masomeme
tawny tide
white names on discord are automatically assumed as meaningless commoners
civic pond
i kinda ignored his KS changes tho
mystic grotto
Or it's the fact that beating all bosses in Rev+ hitless usually qualifies you as more experienced lol
opal barn
Silence commoner @queen sail
queen sail
Shit
civic pond
tawny tide
ashen warren
I remember when in suggestions at least I wasn't a commoner.
Folks actually thought I should have a ghetto cooldude which made me feel very wholesome.
tawny tide
also being skilled doesnt really mean your ideas are better thought out
but some people see it that way
civic pond
usually you can tell if a suggestion is very well thought out
opal barn
ye but pretty colors just makes people respect you ig
civic pond
queen sail
Some are obvious some aren’t
mystic grotto
True but being skilled implies you have more experience and time with the mod
Which generally (not always) translates to better, more valid opinions
queen sail
A suggestion could loom pretty well laid out and polished but it might have a few issues
civic pond
There's no good way to pin down the bias's that exist in #suggestions-voting
civic pond
no god please dont say that
opal barn
<><><><>
civic pond
no
queen sail
Who even separates spaces like that
queen sail
And what the hell does SDOMG even abbreviate to
civic pond
but anything that needs 2 SDFMG's in a recipe..
queen sail
Wait what
queen sail
ashen warren
Maybe it stands for d o, dee oh, dio.
queen sail
Omega bruh moment
opal barn
okay no more hating on specific items, that's in the past now
queen sail
Anywayssssss
queen sail
Uhhhh
civic pond
ok on a question about the latest suggestion
queen sail
Should i repost that suggest to make sea minnows and baby ghost bells nettable