suggestions-discussion

[plush knot]

i imagine an exo-gun to shoot all ammo types and ranged projectiles in a tigfht spread

[queen sail]

What’s next, launchers only?

[civic pond]

anyways it seems HIGHLy unlikely there wasn't botting

[languid basin]

fishing rods only

[ivory heart]

Rockets are only available post Plantera

And fishing rods aren’t even weapons

[smoky wagon]

mineral mortar

[plush knot]

angery mineral mortar noises

[civic pond]

oh yes that exists

[plush knot]

[civic pond]

[ivory heart]

ok

[hazy glacier]

god damn it

[zealous ridge]

rockes can be crafted as soon as HM starts

[hazy glacier]

I was 13 minutes late

[civic pond]

yeah

[fervent zealot]

suggestions is now re opening

[queen sail]

Voltaic climax is darksun tier yet is a viable scal wep

[civic pond]

so uh

[fervent zealot]

hail new suggestios

[civic pond]

sors

[hazy glacier]

bruh

actually i would have voted no anyways why am I complaining

[civic pond]

@hollow shell so when will the channel be unlocked then?

[ivory heart]

Shortswords are not very viable because the Elemental Shiv is the post powerful Shiv in the game excluding the Coldheart Icicle

[hollow shell]

We can unlock it now
@sinful violet

[civic pond]

epi

c

Im glad i can still suggest general items missing at least.

[plush knot]

ok the first suggestion i would make after the ban should be...

[ivory heart]

Unlock the channel now

[languid basin]

Suggestion: add more weapons

[plush knot]

make beenades deal rogue damage

[civic pond]

no

[queen sail]

Nope

[civic pond]

good lord no

[queen sail]

That’s a don’t

[plush knot]

[ivory heart]

Make all boomerangs deal rogue

[civic pond]

[queen sail]

Bruh

[civic pond]

who am I kidding nobody does that

[queen sail]

We literally just said vanilla throwing isn’t getting changed

[languid basin]

Suggestion: wepom

[ruby cobalt]

sugma: sugma

[civic pond]

hotel: trivago

ok anyways

[smoky wagon]

Suggestion: undo the ban!!!! :((

[ivory heart]

In protest of the ban of item suggestions I will now make low quality suggestions

[civic pond]

i have like 1-2 suggestions already

guwa no

[ruby cobalt]

implying that's not what you usually do

[fervent zealot]

suggestion: exo legendary dev weapon

[civic pond]

thats too realistic

[plush knot]

are plaguenades even good?

[ivory heart]

Desert wings: crafted from desert feathers and souls of Flight. That’s it. It’s some more wings.

[queen sail]

Why

Aerialite exists

[queen delta]

so uh guys

i have a great idea

exo shiv

[civic pond]

[queen sail]

[plush knot]

would be a good suggestion if its before aerialite

[ivory heart]

Y E S

[lost agate]

Can you stop with the memes already?

[sinful violet]

Open

[civic pond]

epic

[dusty stirrup]

If you guys start posting bad suggestions on purpose you'll get a warn

[ivory heart]

oh no

[spiral olive]

but nobody would be dumb enough to do that...right

[civic pond]

isn't that just meme suggestions

[spiral olive]

[dusty stirrup]

I'm being pre-emptive

[ivory heart]

Thus I will not post any more suggestions

[dusty stirrup]

[civic pond]

well then

[ivory heart]

Suggestions is unlocked

[civic pond]

Resuggestion
Move Mourningstar to post polterghast. Crafted using 1 solar eruption, 3 Cores of calamity, and 2 ruinous souls.
The reason for this is because Mourningstars placement at the moment doesn't make much sense. Flail progression post ML is already bad, and moving it would improve it. And in revengance is pretty much outdone by cosmic discharge. Having be post polter would also make it a viable weapon for the devourer.

[queen sail]

Uhhhhhh

[civic pond]

ech

what?

no its moving the item

[queen sail]

Didn’t you already say something similar with neptune’s bounty

[civic pond]

who me?

[queen sail]

Also no we mean literally suggesting a weapon with specific stats and recipes

[ivory heart]

Ok

[civic pond]

wait im confused

[queen sail]

That’s moving an existing weapon

[spiral olive]

the neptune's bounty thing is in changelogs

might be where you saw that

[civic pond]

when did neptunes bounty come into this

[hollow shell]

Bumble suggested that over a week ago, so he's able to repost now

[queen sail]

There was a suggestion a while back to move NB to pre dog

[civic pond]

did i do something wrong

[hollow shell]

The exact recipe is not needed, though.

[smoky wagon]

i suggested moving neptunes bounty

[civic pond]

yeah i'll remove the recipe then

[smoky wagon]

mourningstar should be moved also

[civic pond]

Move Mourningstar to post polterghast.
The reason for this is because Mourningstars placement at the moment doesn't make much sense. Flail progression post ML is already bad, and moving it would improve it. And in revengance is pretty much outdone by cosmic discharge. Having be post polter would also make it a viable weapon for the devourer.

[smoky wagon]

both of those weapons dont make sense post-DoG

[civic pond]

there

good to go?

[hollow shell]

👍

[smoky wagon]

fix grammar

[civic pond]

👍

ok fine

[smoky wagon]

in sentence 3

[civic pond]

[ruby cobalt]

is -> it's

[ivory heart]

In protest of the specific item ban I will quit suggestions

[smoky wagon]

😢😢😢

[ruby cobalt]

@dusty stirrup yo phup can you assist this man on his way out

thanks

[hollow shell]

. _.

[civic pond]

rest in peace daybreak

[queen sail]

Like it was ever viable

[civic pond]

thats kinda what my suggestion was aiming to fix

[dusty stirrup]

Whom

[civic pond]

:ech:

[smoky wagon]

solar eruption flexes on it in vanilla even

[dusty stirrup]

I'm kinda busy rn

[ruby cobalt]

the man which we think the same about

(rifter)

[dusty stirrup]

What'd he do

aside from being all talk

[civic pond]

he just stated he wouldn't suggest stuff anymore

[queen sail]

Something something “I will leave in protest of the item ban”

[civic pond]

[queen sail]

Which tbh uh

[ruby cobalt]

aka continuing this on for approximately 10 minutes

[civic pond]

no thats not what he said..

[fervent zealot]

can't wait for people to yell at me about my suggestion being too specific

[queen sail]

Doesn’t even do anything lmao

[smoky wagon]

he will come back in 30 minutes probably

[civic pond]

i have an odd feeling mines gonna get drowned

[ruby cobalt]

nah, it won't

[civic pond]

i always have that feeling anyways

i'll forget it

piggies not a critter tho

[opal barn]

can't believe I can finally unmute #suggestions-voting and #suggestions-discussion now that trash OC items are banned

[ruby cobalt]

nah, it is a critter

[civic pond]

huh

[ruby cobalt]

it qualifies as one

[civic pond]

Lol tera

[ruby cobalt]

passive "enemy" which does nothing other than walking around

[queen sail]

Piggy is a critter with more health than BoC

[sand umbra]

Nah, it's not a Critter because I can't Bug Net it and put it in a cage.

[ruby cobalt]

[civic pond]

[queen sail]

You know what else is not a critter?

Baby Mothron

[civic pond]

that thing whooped my ass once

[smoky wagon]

baby mothron tries to kill you doesnt it

[ruby cobalt]

it really does

[queen sail]

It’s cute alright

Give it a break

[ruby cobalt]

mostly fails, but it does try

[brittle merlin]

If piggy is a critter then shouldn’t there be a golden one

[queen sail]

:cri:

[smoky wagon]

not like you ever see them since the eggs die instantly

[civic pond]

you know what else i find cute

now i disappear

[brittle merlin]

What even is that

[ruby cobalt]

a weapon

[smoky wagon]

Perforator hive is cute

[civic pond]

phantom debris

[brittle merlin]

Ah

[civic pond]

yay fishing suggestions!

[opal barn]

[ruby cobalt]

look at it, actual good suggestions flowing in

[opal barn]

how nice

[queen delta]

[opal barn]

Yata you know what to do now

[queen delta]

time to break that streak

[civic pond]

[sinful violet]

god these are actually good

[civic pond]

inb4 cosmilite fishring rod

[sinful violet]

yata i’ll whoop your ass

[void kelp]

we’ve been waiting to have suggestions that aren’t drowne.

[civic pond]

wait wait

pre boss flamethrower

[queen delta]

[civic pond]

💾

[ruby cobalt]

pre-boss flamethrower with 1 damage

[opal barn]

jesus christ it's so nice to look at suggestions now

[ruby cobalt]

hue!

[zenith hazel]

4 suggestions in 7 minutes

yikes

[sand umbra]

Holy fuck it is.

[ruby cobalt]

star them, star them all

[civic pond]

see this is why i was afraid mine would drown

[zenith hazel]

about to be 5

[sand umbra]

Suggestions looks 10x nicer hell, holy fuck.

[civic pond]

[void kelp]

we’ve been waiting,

[brittle merlin]

It’s probably their suggestions that they have been holding onto for a while

[queen delta]

[civic pond]

well yeah

we had a whole day of HEATED DISCUSSION to talk about them

[void kelp]

awhile ? more like a day

[zealous ridge]

fukin hell you guys are getting off to this

[golden kayak]

@ruby cobalt I do not care, I will nohit everything with thhem instead it's a lie

[civic pond]

hm

there was one other sugg i was gonna make but i forgot

[opal barn]

Imagine 6 months of looking at trash and then looking at gold @zealous ridge

[ruby cobalt]

harhar

[civic pond]

something else on item placement..

[fervent zealot]

alright crate suggestion's out hahau

[civic pond]

yay more fishing suggestions

[sand umbra]

I'll gladly steal all of these fishing suggestions iirc--

[civic pond]

thomas i swear to god

[sand umbra]

[fervent zealot]

i'll steal your life

[void kelp]

crate drop suggestions finally in

[fervent zealot]

and sell it on the black market

[golden kayak]

Beacos is non-consumable 🤔

[void kelp]

Thomas we will choke you with your own yo-yos

[civic pond]

so one major question i've had though

[zealous ridge]

personal preference in any case, I enjoyed looking at the item suggestions but I’ve not had to look at literally everything that got sent to the dev server and just dismiss it because it’s not needed so I understand don’t get me wrong

[civic pond]

what are the chances of these actually getting flags

[void kelp]

getting the beacon in the first place is the pain

more than an item suggestion

[civic pond]

[queen sail]

@hallow kraken or

You could nerf nebulash

[fervent zealot]

yes but to get 100 plasm you need to either a. die to polter a shitload or b. somehow prepare your polter arena without getting any mobs to spawn

[queen sail]

[civic pond]

no i want solar eruption buff

[hallow kraken]

Well yeah it is kinda broken

[hollow shell]

@golden kayak typo in your suggestion
should be "not" used very often, instead of "now"

[golden kayak]

Thanks.

[queen delta]

isnt nebulash post-aureus now?

[civic pond]

so much for a daybreak buff

yes

it is

[queen sail]

Instead of making an already powerful vanilla wep even stronger why don’t we nerf the the thing outdoing it

[queen delta]

and its stronger than solar eruption?

[civic pond]

its more like

on par with it

[queen delta]

[queen sail]

Because it shreds iframes iirc

[civic pond]

iframe

just make nebulash not ignor iframes..?

[queen delta]

yeah perhaps nerf nebulash but also buff solar eruption a bit?

[hollow shell]

Damn, actually
I'm not sure if szavak's suggestion counts as a specific new item or not

[opal barn]

Ye I'm hesitant on that myself

[hallow kraken]

When hide was pre golem you could just shred every boss until ML

[fervent zealot]

god fuckin fuck

[opal barn]

that's why I didn't remove the sign yet

[civic pond]

i really want to see daybreak and SE buffed

[queen sail]

Why not change it to “Add unique fishing crates”

[civic pond]

[fervent zealot]

because unique fishing crates isn't specific enough to convey my point

[golden kayak]

@hollow shell I got bluechecked because similar idea as before? Should I remove it/wait for the week to end?

[civic pond]

well i mean

[hollow shell]

You can keep it up

[zealous ridge]

this is going to be the hardest part of this specific items suggestions ban, just arguing over if a suggestions too specific

[civic pond]

astral doesn't have any

ech

[hollow shell]

if your suggestion reaches 90, then the past suggestion gets marked as highly suggested

[civic pond]

how do you be vague enough to be not specific

[fervent zealot]

i'm aware that there's plans for an astral crate due to yesterday's convo

[queen sail]

Say add crates to Astral, Abyss, and Astral ig?

Then again

[civic pond]

that works..?

[queen sail]

Calamity does need some kind of fishing expansion

[golden kayak]

Abyss is probably "Why would you?"

[fervent zealot]

i designed these crates to counter specific issues that i know happen to too many people

[civic pond]

how do you fish in the abyss

[golden kayak]

Rest is good.

[queen sail]

You fish in the piss seas for abyss items

[brittle merlin]

You don’t

[fervent zealot]

so yeah, forgive me, they have to be more specific than usual to convey the meaning

[civic pond]

oh

[hollow shell]

I'll allow szavak's suggestion because the contents are inherently connected to the reasoning

[golden kayak]

@civic pond Sulph Sea

[civic pond]

im right here

[fervent zealot]

and yes, piss sea for abyss crate

[civic pond]

ok piss sea it is

[fervent zealot]

just as it's piss sea for planty mush, abyss crate contents, and abyssal amulet

[hollow shell]

Your suggestion is to add new crates and to also have a renewable resource for non-renewable / annoying items

[civic pond]

A new era of suggestions has begun! Please don't let them clog and become shit like before.

[hollow shell]

so
it works

[queen sail]

Hey doge

At least we won’t get

[civic pond]

Hey?

[fervent zealot]

yeah it's pretty much a goal and a means in one

[civic pond]

no

[queen sail]

<><><><><><><><>

[civic pond]

never again.

[queen sail]

Or the bike

[civic pond]

Also astral slimes have no purpose as of now do they?

[zealous ridge]

hmm I also have to ask, what about suggestions for mechanics, like asking for rogue stealth to have a new effect, or like specially designed abyss fishing rods that work underwater?

Just as an example^

[sinful violet]

They don’t, no bumble.

[civic pond]

oh.

Still fishing for astral bars seems like a nice alternative.

[queen delta]

They drop... stardust

[sinful violet]

So yeah, they’re getting new stuff.

[civic pond]

oh stardust

[sinful violet]

?

[civic pond]

[sinful violet]

Last I checked they didn’t

[zealous ridge]

astral slime staff time

[fervent zealot]

everything in astral save for hive blobs drops stardust

[civic pond]

i killed plenty of them they dont drop anything

iirc

[sinful violet]

^

[queen delta]

they dropped some for me

and wiki confirms it

[civic pond]

maybe its RNG

[sinful violet]

Also chozo, both of those are in the works, yes.

[queen delta]

tho they only drop 1 lol

100% chance in expert +

[sinful violet]

The rogue updates revamps stealth

nani the fuck

[civic pond]

i

[void kelp]

oh SWEET

[civic pond]

am so relieved

to hear that.

[zealous ridge]

yeah they were just examples, but I just wanted to know

[sinful violet]

then something’s fucked with my slimes

[civic pond]

[sinful violet]

yeah course

they’re good ideas

[zealous ridge]

I see now

alright

[civic pond]

well for the rest of the time im gonna go see any other weapons that could use a tier move or something

[zealous ridge]

hmm how would a chaos amulet change sound?
to give an example, maybe have it grant mana based effects rather than grant the spelunker buff which I personally feel is a bit odd

[smoky wagon]

i love these big brains that think nebulash is better than solar eruption based off of only dummy tests

[fervent zealot]

chaos amulet does kinda feel like an odd accessories

[civic pond]

a dummy is the worst way to test flails

mage weapons maybe

[zealous ridge]

my idea initially was that it should be changed to give half of your mana stars a red outline, which would allow you to deal like extra damage when using those mana stars but I worry if that is too specific or hard to code and I should just leave it as: change chaos amulet to a magic based accessory

[golden kayak]

Reason?

I understand whybit should be changet overall

But why mage?

Not a ranger or melee

[zealous ridge]

oh uh, because I feel like the chaos amulet is a bit of an arbitrary inclusion in the sigil of calamitas, and this would be a reason to have it in the recepie

[golden kayak]

(Summoner has insane lategame so no)

Uhh, may be

It should not make Sigil OP tho.

[zealous ridge]

having the chaos amulet be an all class accessory and not have it be included in the sigil would also be a viable alternative

In all fairness most of the effects of the sigil are stat based

[crystal osprey]

Are we still able to discuss ideas for patron items here?

Because I am going to make a donation in September and I want opinions on it

[hollow shell]

As long as you don't post it in #suggestions-voting I guess you could

[golden kayak]

If you wanna have your Patron item? Probably yes.

[crystal osprey]

Alright

So I have an idea for an item called The Slime God Staff

[hollow shell]

(also I'd advize donating before September actually, unless you want to pay $30 more dollars)

[fervent zealot]

stop right there

[crystal osprey]

It's post DoG

[fervent zealot]

oh, go on then

[crystal osprey]

Lol

[hollow shell]

Could be odd having a SG weapon after DoG

(also of course it's Post-DoG, why wouldn't it be)

[crystal osprey]

AHEM

[zealous ridge]

lmao

[crystal osprey]

sdfmg

[fervent zealot]

make it post signus tbh

[golden kayak]

Someone said about 99% donator weapons are post-DoG huh

[hollow shell]

Oh yeah post-Signus actually makes sense

[golden kayak]

^^^

[fervent zealot]

yeah, there's lore there

[crystal osprey]

It's a summon weapon made to fight yharon because mechworm bad

[fervent zealot]

please yes we need those

post signus is close enough to post DoG for it to still work

[queen delta]

how about a summon weapon for post-plantera tier?

[civic pond]

i want mines to be post polterghast

[crystal osprey]

But it could use twisting nether in recipe

[queen delta]

summoners are pretty weak at that tier

[rustic ember]

Mechworm does good if it hits

[golden kayak]

@fervent zealot Aren't squids working? Thay are consistent iirc.

[fervent zealot]

no, they aren't

[crystal osprey]

It's made with corroslime staff, crimslime staff, twisting nether, and cosmolite

[golden kayak]

For DoG.

[crystal osprey]

Each summon brings in 3 separate minions

[fervent zealot]

squids are buggy, but that's aside the point

[crystal osprey]

The god, and the 2 slimes

[hollow shell]

Those two slimes better have the maddest ups I've ever seen
because good luck fighting Yharon on the ground

[crystal osprey]

Each slime functions identically and shoots abyssmal orbs as well as dealing damage upon contact

[fervent zealot]

yknow how in the actual fight they fucking nyoom at you if you go too far away

[crystal osprey]

Don't worry sora I have ideas

[fervent zealot]

make em do that, boom, viable

[crystal osprey]

Normally, the slines function like the slines staffs slimes

[civic pond]

Smile god

[hollow saffron]

@fervent zealot I already suggested crates smh

[civic pond]

@signal prairie fat typo

[rustic ember]

Watch them fly towards a slime halfway across the map

[queen sail]

Smile god

Smile god

[crystal osprey]

But the slune God himself flies, moves through blocks, and has a large homing range

[sinful violet]

brei I'm curious about something

[hollow saffron]

sline god

sline god

[hollow shell]

Well, DoG dropping bricks was to fix a bug
but, sure

[sinful violet]

rover said "sg" and you replied with "ahem sdfmg"

i don't understand

[zealous ridge]

Sdfmg is a duke themed weapon

[hollow shell]

I guess cuz it's a Duke-themed weapon but post-DoG

[crystal osprey]

And when the god hits, the two other slimes jump toward the enemy it hits

[signal prairie]

I hate my auto-correct

[civic pond]

eh

[sinful violet]

:bruh: momentum regarding placing sg and duke at around the same tier

but i see

[crystal osprey]

And the slimes deal high contact damage without I frames

[hollow shell]

That seems like a good way to make the "grounded" slime useful

[crystal osprey]

Sorry about spelling mistakes I'm on my phone keyboard and my fingers are chunky

[golden kayak]

Bricks are made of SG's gel
You will kill it for bricks or for gel
And killing it 1 extra time is not a problem after getting post-SG gear imo
No reason imo 🤔

[hollow shell]

like, god core doesn't do much damage, but him hitting the enemy beckons the high-damage ground slimes to jump at the enemy

[crystal osprey]

Yes

[hollow shell]

pretty neat

[crystal osprey]

Sound like a solid weapon?

[civic pond]

A summon that makes itself less retarded..?

[crystal osprey]

IDK how hard it would be to code

[civic pond]

👀

i like this

[zealous ridge]

probably would drive fab crazy

Considering coding summons is ech

but I enjoy the idea

[crystal osprey]

I'll make it worth his while with a big donation

I have money to spend

[golden kayak]

Interesting design 🤔 I like it.

[crystal osprey]

I'm on a 49 day Europe trip rn

That's why I'm waiting until September to donate

[golden kayak]

Maybe it will inflict debuff that makes a target get more damage by slimes.

[crystal osprey]

Wym

I only am uncertain about one thing

Should the God himself, or the slimes shoot abyssmal orbs?

[civic pond]

im skeptic about slime god changes

[crystal osprey]

Or is it too insignificant to mattee

[hollow shell]

@queen delta Does he teleport instantly atm?

[civic pond]

[devout seal]

I'd prefer if he didn't get projectiles.

[zealous ridge]

it is a nearly instant teleport in revengance and death

[crystal osprey]

Might make too much lag to be worth it

[opal barn]

He does @hollow shell

[golden kayak]

I mean, it might be hard to give 2 of 3 minions deal additional damage if Core hits.
Maybe Core will inflict debuff that allows these Gods deal more and ignore i-frames
Same thing but yeah.

[hollow shell]

Damn.

[queen delta]

Basically, all he does is bounce, until he teleports

Thats when you just pray

Cuz you have absolutely no chance of reacting to it

[teal ibex]

teleports are under consistent conditions tho, unless death changes something about his teleport conditions it should be completely avoidable

[crystal osprey]

Also this suggestion started as an obligatory "meme upgrade to slime staff" but then we realized it could actually be a cool weapon to use

[opal barn]

No true hec, I had times where he just randomly teleported on top of me on a completely flat ground

[queen delta]

You see tho, he does it instantly without warning

No indicator

and ^

[teal ibex]

i've fought slime in normal mode dozens of times in a particular setup

i've always been able to predict when he teleports

[hollow shell]

Early boss buffs are in the Don'ts, but if it comes with a nerf so it's the same difficulty, just different
I guess I'll allow it

[teal ibex]

like i said, death might mess with it

[queen delta]

normal mode
there u go

[opal barn]

Yeah, on normal it's easy to see when he teleports

on death it's instant

[teal ibex]

but the standard king slime fight has a very particular set of teleport mechanics

no i'm saying he does something and before the animation even starts the teleport happens

er,

i know that the teleport happens

[queen delta]

you see, the real problem is, hes the first boss on the game you fight

all his attacks should be slow, casual, and predictable

[teal ibex]

i've also literally killed him blindfolded on deathmode, i don't understand where "random" teleports come into play

[queen delta]

rope cheese doesnt count tho

[opal barn]

God I wish I had a video of him teleporting randomly on a flat ground

[zealous ridge]

Having the spikes kind of shoot randomly idk about that, maybe it should be a spread of spikes every time he lands from a big jump to make it more predictable?

[golden kayak]

I had hard time NoHitting King Slime with true melee because microjumps and teleports.
But it IS consistent most of the time
Im against this nerf.

[teal ibex]

he can teleport if you summon him while on a rope, but i'm assuming you didn't do that

[fervent zealot]

i've seen him tele on flat land

it's not impossible or rare

it's just bullshit

[teal ibex]

i'll go fight king slime a few times. might as well test this if it's apparently this unfair.

[fervent zealot]

yes, you can get him to consistiently teleport, but the inconsistient teleports are an issue

[golden kayak]

^

[teal ibex]

i'm saying you can consistently avoid them

[zealous ridge]

W/o a dash it’s annoying to dodge

[teal ibex]

which is the intent of the fight afaik

[crystal osprey]

If anyone has anything to say about my slime god staff patron item, just @ me

[zealous ridge]

I always fight him with a dash acc, so I don’t worry too much about his teleports, but your only hope without a dash (tier you should fight him at) is just running in 1 direction

[golden kayak]

Also in DM it deals like more damage than Crabulon

[queen delta]

when king slime DOES teleport, where he teleports on you is random

he could teleport right inside your way or he wont

[golden kayak]

@zealous ridge had hard time with just spectre boots or just bloon with something lately. Hard to turn.

[queen sail]

Yata you sure do like to take notes from maso

Though that’s not a bad thing per se

[placid girder]

Maso best mode

[queen delta]

well there werent much ideas for king slime

[queen sail]

I would but uh

Last run i did was painful

[hollow shell]

@languid badger Elaborate and provide a reason, plase

[queen sail]

More like why do we need things like that

[queen delta]

my options were: spikes, keep instant tp but have indicator, higher jumps, etc

i chose spikes

[hollow shell]

Supreme Calamitas and Yharon, and arguably DoG, are already bullet hells

[golden kayak]

Indicator plsss

[teal ibex]

alright, pretty sure i found the discrepancy

if you're 2 or more blocks lower than king slime, he can teleport to you

so you need to micromanage your height on the fight, even on relatively flat ground

or just place platforms above him

[hollow shell]

Does that apply during his jumps

because if so
you're always lower than him

[teal ibex]

it's between jumps

he can't teleport midjump

[queen delta]

try fighting him on perfectly flat ground

he teleports even then

[hollow shell]

alright

[golden kayak]

[crystal osprey]

BTW what's the plan for master mode and revengeance?

[hollow shell]

Play with Armageddon turned on, then

[queen delta]

and sometimes he teleports even when im on a platform above him, although he doesnt teleport ON me

[hollow shell]

if you want more challenge

[zealous ridge]

spikes should be less random imo if that’s what you’re running with

[crystal osprey]

Is rev gonna merge with master, is it gonna be above master, below master, or just a side grade to master?

[hollow shell]

We'll figure that out when we get there

[golden kayak]

Play Death + Determination breaker + Defiled (DDD) without Armageddon.

[placid girder]

Master is gonna be ignored id think

[crystal osprey]

Fair nuff

[golden kayak]

@languid badger ^^^

[elder mist]

Master mode is gonna automatically be turned off when calamity is enabled.

[dusty stirrup]

Crabulon has bullet hell

here ya go

[elder mist]

Yes, this is true.

[placid girder]

Perfs too tbh

[elder mist]

It has a mini laser wall.

[zealous ridge]

destroyer and AS might as well too

wow uh a lot of bosses have bullet hell actually depending on how specific you want to be

[void kelp]

tbh if AS projectiles were more consistent and not overlapping on each other I’d think of it as more of a fair bullet hell than projectile spam

[zealous ridge]

fair opinion to hold

[civic pond]

oh my god what is this

[smoky wagon]

brimstone rose phase

[civic pond]

what suggestions is this

[crystal osprey]

Does calamity have any way of making revenue besides donations?

[golden kayak]

Hatsune Miku level of bullet hell from I Wanna Kill The Kamilia 3
These would be literally impossible without proper rng.

[civic pond]

[dusty stirrup]

No

[void kelp]

only patreon

[hollow shell]

What about the mousepads?

Unless that just goes to Nitro cuz she designed them

[void kelp]

Oh those exist right

[dusty stirrup]

It's only nitro iirc

[void kelp]

I mean, the patreon only goes to fab, right

[dusty stirrup]

Yeah

[hollow shell]

(for now)

[dusty stirrup]

but it could go to other devs if they asked

[queen sail]

Uhhhhh

Why isn’t helium flash in ViC again?

[hearty yew]

@queen sail whoops that's my fault

XD

[queen sail]

[hearty yew]

that was an oversight / a bug

[golden kayak]

@queen sail I know 0 of these 3 weapons
Literally

[hearty yew]

i'll add it right now

[void kelp]

accelerate it straight into flag status

[crystal osprey]

I am now really curious if fab has a dayjob but I guess it isn't my business

[hearty yew]

yeah, because I can do that.

[civic pond]

[void kelp]

XD

[hearty yew]

just delete your suggestion

it's already done

[void kelp]

I mean, when I suggested to add item tooltips you immediately started doing that so yeah

[hearty yew]

Some things like this take literally five seconds

[golden kayak]

[crystal osprey]

Tf is that emoticon btw

[opal barn]

@teal ibex I found the vid where KS teleported on top of me on perfectly flat ground

[civic pond]

it conveys

[teal ibex]

dw already have half a message addressing your concerns lol

[opal barn]

bruh

[teal ibex]

@queen delta @opal barn ok, i see what you mean now. i had never seen this effect because i would always fight king slime with some platforms or a rope above him which renders the random teleports completely void, as far as i can understand. i think revengeance and deathmode are currently bugged as the random teleports happen strictly after a large jump and the particles appear (and this is not a certainty) to be vertically stretched a bit, which would imply the teleport starts a little bit earlier than it should. i'll see if it can be looked into!

[civic pond]

i thought i could just run backward for 5 minutes

[void kelp]

@frosty vortex so you want a page on the wiki that’s a changelogs page?

[civic pond]

drowned

[frosty vortex]

Either a new "additions" page to go along with changelogs in the discord or a "recently added" page on the wiki

[hollow shell]

Helium Flash was in changelogs, Crumple.

[frosty vortex]

wait what

am i blind

[hollow shell]

Yes.

[frosty vortex]

ok well ill delete it

I am a fool

[golden kayak]

@civic pond yep we should have waited.

Seems like I will have to wait another week

[civic pond]

eh

idc really

i have plenty of other tweaks i can work on :V

[golden kayak]

I would prefer to see .201 first tbh.

[civic pond]

.201?

[golden kayak]

Rogue update.

[civic pond]

oh.

Yeah thats comin

[void kelp]

I love the new suggestions

[golden kayak]

But since I'm like a noob on drugs in games True melee flamethrowers Determination breaker I like to play subclasses or somerthing interesting like this.

[civic pond]

me too.

[golden kayak]

YES

I NEED THIS

[hollow shell]

For Teleporters I just gotta make one trip with a Grand Design

well
Infinite Grand Design from Luiafk
which I suppose is a bit cheaty despite its recipe

[golden kayak]

Still time
And wires
And enemies pog

No cheats allowed :s

I made 5 teleporters and oh hell I hated this.

[void kelp]

infinite grand design is the best

[golden kayak]

Like underground hallowed (happened to be in hell)
Underground crimson
Dungeon & astral biome (near to the abyss)
Jungle
Arena in the Dungeon.

These were pain.

[civic pond]

Guys how would it sound if solar eruption was buffed a bit

[hollow shell]

Somebody suggested that an hour ago

[civic pond]

oh yeah

nebulash thingy

ech

Another thought i had, would there be something wrong with having SE ignore iframes as well?

[smoky wagon]

solar eruption is fine for astrum deus

[civic pond]

uh

i was thinking moonlord too but ok

[livid coral]

In re all the fishing stuff: I'm trying to get some of that all implemented including some fishing only weapons.

[civic pond]

fishing only weapons are cool

[livid coral]

Bladetongue is the sex

[queen sail]

Take insp from SoA lilac

Assimilate their knowledge

Claymarine

[radiant meadow]

@hallow kraken solar eruption performs far better than nebulash against astrum deus due to the worm's high defense.
Buffing the solar eruption may make it too strong.

[hollow saffron]

thank you lilac

Also doesnt the eruption have a higher range Termi

[radiant meadow]

idk

[unique vector]

dont think thats necessary

boss changes are already enough, even lore wise lower pitched music doesnt mean anything

[digital sparrow]

That's what I thought, just some food for thought

[unique vector]

in fact it wold probably make some themes sound ugly lol

[digital sparrow]

I might remove if its bad

[dusty stirrup]

Never forget old astral theme

[unique vector]

fear

[digital sparrow]

I was just messing around in Audacity and Unholy Insurgency is great lowered slightly

[dusty stirrup]

I'm still not sure why they thought it was a good idea to slow it down

Aside from making it more "fitting"

[digital sparrow]

That was excessive I will admit

[radiant meadow]

I don't know why it was slowed down

I honestly hated it

[dusty stirrup]

Same

[hollow saffron]

DM DOKURO did not spend years of his life creating themes only for them to be butchered by pitch

[digital sparrow]

I actually thought it wasn't terrible slowed down but a little strange

[hollow saffron]

its ugly slowed down

[digital sparrow]

I'll remove the suggestion because RoTJD and Stained Brutal Calamity are CURSED when lowered

dear god

I don't want that idea ever entering the dev's head

[radiant meadow]

[hollow saffron]

[digital sparrow]

crisis averted

[dusty stirrup]

Let's just turn all the themes into nightcore then

[civic pond]

no

nbm

[ashen warren]

Does the sunken sea even have it's own water colour? @native parcel

[native parcel]

yea

i love its tint

[hollow saffron]

it does

we need a sulphurous sea water fountain too

[native parcel]

im having a glitch right now where i built an above-ground sunken sea, but i built it in the jungle, and in certain places the jungle overrides the sunken sea for water colour

[hollow saffron]

and an abyss one

[native parcel]

yea

[civic pond]

Blue

[hollow saffron]

add those to your suggestuions

[civic pond]

yes

sulphurous fountain

[native parcel]

okay

[hollow saffron]

plague fountain, sold post-golem

astral fountain when

[native parcel]

oh damn i didnt even know those two existed

[hollow saffron]

edit your suggestion

they dont exist

[native parcel]

no like, different water colours for those biomes

[civic pond]

wait wait

i think astral has one

[smoky wagon]

Piss fountain

[civic pond]

but plague has one?

[hollow saffron]

not yet

[civic pond]

then no

[radiant meadow]

there's no special plague water color

[civic pond]

dont add that

[smoky wagon]

plague isnt a biome

[civic pond]

^

[native parcel]

oh okay

[smoky wagon]

so no fancy water

[hollow saffron]

lolrip

[radiant meadow]

it should only be for if water changes in any existing calamity biomes

abyss, sulphurous sea, sunken sea, astral infection, and possibly the crags

[smoky wagon]

if there was a plague biome the water probably would kill you

[hollow saffron]

crags change water color?

uh

[civic pond]

abyss fountain

[radiant meadow]

idk

[hollow saffron]

i didnt think that was a thing

[civic pond]

crags has lava iirc

[radiant meadow]

that's why I said possibly

[hollow saffron]

lava fountain

[civic pond]

also no i put water in the crags once

[native parcel]

lol imagine having lava fountains

[civic pond]

its normal.

[native parcel]

oh okay

[queen delta]

how about we just replace all songs with the narwhal song

[civic pond]

quality song

[loud steeple]

i want that to be a mod

[civic pond]

iirc

[loud steeple]

how hard would it be to make that a mode

i will make that a mod if i have it

[radiant meadow]

hearts are already nerfed in scal's fight

[hollow saffron]

@carmine stream every attack scal does does 300+ dmg

[radiant meadow]

and making them heal nothing would basically render a part of bloodflare set bonus, useless

that was removed Xultroni

[hollow saffron]

ohok

but yeah rendering bloodflare set bonus useless

Why not disable boss summons during the fight/make the other bosses instantly despawn

[carmine stream]

i thought of that

I’ll change it to disabling boss summons

[teal ibex]

am i missing something? isn't this already a mechanic of scal?

just tried suspicious eye while scal was alive on expert, rev, and death, no boss

[carmine stream]

i could summon the eater of worlds

in expert

[teal ibex]

this appears to be a bug

[radiant meadow]

probably because eow doesn't count as a boss or something

[teal ibex]

or at least an inconsistency

[radiant meadow]

just a loophole

[teal ibex]

will bring it up

[radiant meadow]

aka eow code is really messy and dumb

[carmine stream]

maybe it’s the npc limit

[radiant meadow]

I highly doubt it's the npc limit

and please don't meme

[carmine stream]

[ashen warren]

btw I support moving mourningstar to pre doggo

this is good

[fervent zealot]

no love for me?

[civic pond]

👍

Thank you terry very cool.

[ashen warren]

sounds like crates would need sprites

[sinful violet]

terry search "crates" in dev

[ashen warren]

o

[sinful violet]

[ashen warren]

Omae wa mou implemented-eiru

[fervent zealot]

oh god oh fuck

this is the second time suggesting this therefore it was my idea time to sue calamity mod

[ashen warren]

oh god oh fuck

[livid coral]

Shit

[fervent zealot]

i already knew astral crate from yesterday but are other crates a thing because if they aren't it's still good suggestion

[civic pond]

astral bladetongue when

[livid coral]

Nah if anyting we need a fishing summon and rogue item so

[civic pond]

we have herring staff..

no wait

thats in chests

[queen sail]

Let’s see...

[civic pond]

[fervent zealot]

i'd brainstorm but specifc suggestions kinda died

[civic pond]

Astral daggerfish

[queen sail]

Bruh

[civic pond]

what?

oh wait

[queen sail]

Sunken sea needs stuff

[ashen warren]

^^^^

[civic pond]

soo

[livid coral]

We'll get to it

[fervent zealot]

sunken sea is not what i consider a fishing friendly environment

[civic pond]

also true

[queen sail]

But it’s literally an underground ocean

So it’d make sense

And tbf abyss is even less friendlier

[dusty stirrup]

There's plenty of air to fish in sunken sea tho

And land to stay on while fishing

[fervent zealot]

i guess but it's kinda like the aquatic depths in that there's a significant amount of digging to do to make it properly fishing friendly

[ashen warren]

it contains ruins of a kingdom en lore so there has got to be something that survived

[fervent zealot]

and plus it seems like the kinda place that'd have a very closed ecosystem that would get easily fucked up by fishing

[dusty stirrup]

It's still much friendlier than aquatic depths

[ashen warren]

i don't think the terrarian cares about ecosystems

[civic pond]

until the serpents come

[queen sail]

You can fish underground and in a fucking beehive

[dusty stirrup]

Since when does the terrarian care about that

[fervent zealot]

true

[civic pond]

terrarian fishes wherever the fuck he wants

even in hell

[queen sail]

I’m sure some aquatic reserve is fine

[ashen warren]

terrarian is mini yharim

[civic pond]

i mean practically

[queen sail]

Richarim Milos

[civic pond]

why

[fervent zealot]

but i don't have any idea of what's lacking progression wise because i haven't played calam in fuckjillion years

[ashen warren]

[civic pond]

lacking progression wise

well

rogues getting an expansion so i doubt we need to worry about that

[ashen warren]

^

[civic pond]

melee

absolutely not

Summoner

I hate coding

[fervent zealot]

summoner always needs more stuff but who's going to code it

[civic pond]

uhhh

lets see

Mage and ranger

[terse sundial]

summon code

[civic pond]

merk

[west prairie]

fishing does not currently net a summoner item in either vanilla or calamity

[civic pond]

p much

you should be able to fish for a herring staff change my mind

[fervent zealot]

i can't because see my suggestion for crates

[west prairie]

honestly? astral throwing starfish

[civic pond]

thats what i said

[west prairie]

that is like three puns

[civic pond]

except it was a daggerfish

but ok

An astral fishing weapon would cover multiple areas

👍

[ashen warren]

i don't want to suggest anything until the rogue expansion comes out, because then there'll be less planned things by then

[civic pond]

thats true

[fervent zealot]

consider it's a rogue expansion and think what other than rogue areas needs more progression or tweaks

[civic pond]

hmm

scal changes are always controversial

thats why i tend to avoid them alltogether

[ashen warren]

also isn't scal being moved progression-wise?

[queen delta]

wanna know a good scal change?

hitcap of 1

[zenith hazel]

:dontgethit:

[signal prairie]

oh i remember that hitcap

the oldold deathmode hitcap of 5

[civic pond]

moved?

no i dont think so

but she eventually wont have superboss status either

[ashen warren]

in relation to the lore bosses

[civic pond]

heck if i know

draedons getting slapped between yharon and SCal

afaik

[ashen warren]

alright

[hollow saffron]

Franswal yesyesyes

[dusty stirrup]

Can we kill

antibutcher

[radiant meadow]

the antibutcher kinda fits doggo though imo

[sinful violet]

why though

[dusty stirrup]

Yeah but soon he won't be all that endgame anymore

[radiant meadow]

I think Fab said it'll be removed from Yharon when more bosses are added

idk about scal

[dusty stirrup]

He said he wanted to keep them

iirc

Why not remove them now

[queen delta]

I dont see the point of anti butcher imo

[teal ibex]

i can get it for scal tbh but other bosses it's just a bit annoying

[civic pond]

i never did either

[teal ibex]

the dog line is cute though

[civic pond]

its kinda like putting rules in a sandbox

[queen delta]

It would make sense in an online game to prevent cheating, but when it comes to terraria, who cares if you instantly butcher a boss?

[civic pond]

who am i kidding i love devourers lines too

[queen delta]

that includes scal

[fervent zealot]

literally even if you don't butcher them there are other means to cheat

see: godmode from like every cheat mod ever

[queen delta]

tbh add a line for when DoG gets butchered tho

[signal prairie]

"AntiButcherEdgyBossText"

[queen delta]

taunt the player for using it tbh

[teal ibex]

unfortunately dog bypasses most godmodes in deathmode

[queen delta]

but dont stop em from doing it

[teal ibex]

but for the most part ye

[zenith hazel]

there's no tried and true way to prevent cheating

[civic pond]

thats what cheating is

getting past the prevention

[zenith hazel]

even when DoG bypasses godmode in death, it still trivializes most of the fight since you can just avoid the head

[hollow saffron]

^

also the antibutcher prevents people from trying to cheese the bosses

[queen delta]

straight up using butcher is far past cheesing

[radiant meadow]

tbf, doggo isn't too hard to kill with high-end weapons so anti-butcher isn't entirely needed

[queen delta]

anti cheese methods are fine to me, but anti butcher methods arent

[hollow saffron]

in vanilla terraria there arent any omega OP weapons so everything is balanced

[civic pond]

Literally a few hits from earth is enough to obliterate it

[fervent zealot]

daedalus stormbow would like to have a word with you

[hollow saffron]

but with mods anyone can just commit cheatsheat

[civic pond]

on top of that you could use rage

[hollow saffron]

daedalus is getting nerf in 1.4

[fervent zealot]

that doesn't invalidate my point

[hollow saffron]

and birb did you know: using earth against dog requires getting close to the head

[civic pond]

no it doesnt..

it has a tail too

[hollow saffron]

make the tail do dmg

smh my head

[radiant meadow]

you know, earth still does high damage against the body, right?

[hearty yew]

@queen delta There's really no reason to have antibutcher in Calamity, but DoG's antibutcher is explicitly a reference to The Master from Fallout 1

so there's a reason for that one existing

[queen sail]

Tbf dog’s antibutcher is like

[hearty yew]

50% of his max HP in one shot

[queen sail]

One of the oldest features of the mod

[hearty yew]

it's impossible to trigger with any calamity gear afaik

except maybe like

on normal with scarlet devil

with a demonshade enraged stealth strike

but even then probably not

scal and yharon's antibutchers are a bit more noticeable but the bosses have a fuckton of health so it's more lenient than you think, they're... what, 2.5% or 4% max HP in one hit?

i guess what i'm saying is "they shouldn't be hurting anything" but also "they are indeed unnecessary"

[sinful violet]

I don't agree with a reference remaining the sole cause for an antibutcher in all honesty, but since it's the terms set by another mod, I don't really care too much.

[dusty stirrup]

Besides with the power scaling we have going on, it's be easily feasible by then

Why not remove them now

[glossy falcon]

I remember Fabsol put all those in place because idiots were complaining that it was to easy to beat them when you have insta kill weapons and god mode accessories from other mods, like Fargo's.

[gaunt gazelle]

duke fishron is required for the soul of eternity though

duke fishron EX*

and i thought calamity wasnt balanced around other content mods

[slate crown]

it's not explicitly balanced around other content mods, but it would be good if it was

[plucky matrix]

that would kinda mess with calamity balancing if they need to consider other mods aswell

[queen delta]

wait wait wait

theres idiots complaining that it was easy to beat them... with insta kill weapons and godmode accessories?

[plucky matrix]

what else do you expect

[glossy falcon]

Yeah, that was about a year and a half ago I think, Well, that was the reason Fabsol stated.

[queen sail]

To be fair it’s their own fault

They’re probably the same kind of people that find Expert EoC impossible

[plucky matrix]

hueh

[queen sail]

Tbh I play Calamity with other large content mods but at this point I’m just fucking around

[livid coral]

We've had so many people bitch at us for things beyond our control it's not even funny

People bitched about the fact that the RE Weapons were subject to the multiplayer glitch, which is a glitch not even in our control.

[slate crown]

oh man

there's always the terraria spaghetti code

[livid coral]

Yeah they blamed us for the spaghetti code

[vocal grotto]

Oh boy

[slate crown]

lmao

[vocal grotto]

Just fix the redcode

[plucky matrix]

5head

[slate crown]

redgit code

10k lines of fighter ai

[vocal grotto]

The way AI is handled in vanilla is very

[teal ibex]

yeah i still remember the % gun incident

sorry.

[vocal grotto]

Lemme check the amount of lines vanilla AI has

[slate crown]

[vocal grotto]

22928

[slate crown]

for what

[vocal grotto]

The vanilla AI method

[slate crown]

oh just the method

[vocal grotto]

A method with that many lines is a huge problem

[queen sail]

Complex bug: Exists
Dumbasses: THE CALAMITARDS

[loud steeple]

calamitards

i have never heard of that insult

but its one of my favs now

[livid coral]

Even I've been called that in other Mod servers

[loud steeple]

well your more or less well known in the modded community

[west prairie]

4chan is the worst in that regard

ive seen the circlejerk there about calamity and it was just shit tier

of course terraria general is like

4 people

[livid coral]

Im one of the lesser known major devs. Mostly cause I kept to myself here

[plucky prairie]

does suggesting accessories with only the basic mechanic(s) and the basic method for obtaining them fall under the new rule

[loud steeple]

Lesser and major do not go in a sentence so close to each other

[unique vector]

@plucky prairie you can suggest an accessory to be added at a specific point in game and say where it can be dropped yes

[plucky prairie]

what about the mechanics of it?

[unique vector]

but if you want to suggest what it does, you should give a really generalized statement as well as reasoning for how it would benefit the mod balance in some way

for ex

[brittle merlin]

[unique vector]

“i believe a mage accessory that boosts mana generation should be added to post skeletron tier as a substitute for mana flower”

and then explain why etc

[brittle merlin]

how is deleting your suggestions a protest

[terse sundial]

I mean, if your suggestions have already been sent it means wever screenshotted them

[unique vector]

yeah i dont see how this fits in this channel either

[terse sundial]

I like how instead of helping to suggest alternatives you just leave

ye ^

[unique vector]

all you’re doing is being obnoxious to those that actually want to take part in suggestions

[lost agate]

Can you stop with this constant announcing on how you "protest"

[jovial spire]

how us it protesting even

[lost agate]

Idfk

[unique vector]

i honestly dont mind if you decide to stop suggesting or w/e but if you decide to be obnoxious im gonna have to warn ya

[jovial spire]

"lets protest by making the devs' lives easier!"

[unique vector]

bye

[jovial spire]

bye

[ashen warren]

Looks like a big change for the better ngl.
Suggestions was just been a meme last I checked.