Yo my diet also consists of glass bottles
#suggestions-discussion
sleek wadi
smoky wagon
Yes you eat birb pheremones
civic pond
smoky wagon
and a poisonous remote
plucky prairie
so that's why the birbs are so attracted to you
civic pond
we can practically chug hair dye when needed.
faint needle
what
sand umbra
You eat the Profaned Core and Provi comes to tear it out of you.
tired haven
I mean, if boss summons work like a bait, eating them will make a lot of sense
sand umbra
tired haven
Especially in case of Dragon Egg
civic pond
mm yes jungle omelette
sand umbra
ChickenEgg isn't consumable though.
faint needle
yeah
civic pond
Yharon has a valid reason to burn you alive
tired haven
Well yharon beats it out of your stomach it seems like
sand umbra
civic pond
We dont eat the cosmic worm
tired haven
(not sure why you swallow a whole egg in first place)
faint needle
does it beat the glass from the pots too?
tired haven
No
faint needle
oof
tired haven
You just eat glass
civic pond
tbf we eat the bottles with the potions
sand umbra
Fun fact: the Dragon Egg internally is actually called ChickenEgg--
faint needle
bumblefuck
jovial spire
That makes Yharon the 2nd most dangerous chicken ever
very close to being as threating as Cuukoos
west prairie
wait i just had the most galaxy brained idea
you know how nobody reads and upvotes docs
all weapon suggestions have to be a linked doc
void kelp
same effect as removing them
radiant meadow
it would just clog up the channel with suggestions people won't upvote
west prairie
the fact that its a weapon would counterbalance it to the point where it'd be at a normal number of stars i would think
limber oxide
that is true
void kelp
even if some of them are thought out and high quality, the likelihood of implementation is so low it’s basically text walls clogging up suggestions that have a use
limber oxide
since that is like the only suggestion i made in the last like 7 months
i did some planetary flail stuff and it just sorta got overlooked
sand umbra
wait i just had the most galaxy brained idea
you know how nobody reads and upvotes docs
all weapon suggestions have to be a linked doc
I've posted specific weapon ideas in docs before.
sinful violet
Everyone has
sand umbra
In fact, both of my major weapon suggestions were in docs.
west prairie
they didnt take off because they had to compete with non-doc weapons
sinful violet
It’s still a no blackhand.
sand umbra
Neither of them went too terribly far. 
sand umbra
^
sinful violet
You’re missing the point again, but at this rate, I give up.
verbal pagoda
west prairie
community involvement was what I liked about this place and i refuse to believe there is no way to save it
void kelp
the point is misc. suggestions won’t get implemented regardless of how much work you put into it?
civic pond
Look i don't like the idea of disallowing specific item suggestions either, but they really clog the place up
fervent zealot
there's still community involvement
fervent zealot
it's just not the community contributing shit that will never get in any more
verbal pagoda
and that's all you care about
civic pond
its mainly the weapons who am i kidding
sand umbra
I suggested something of a middle ground already.
west prairie
minus weapons/accessories most of what you have left is "hey lets tweak this"
fervent zealot
it's not even minus the weapons or the accessories
west prairie
which is a hollow comfort to take
verbal pagoda
keep your weapons to your own mod 
fervent zealot
it's minus absurdly detailed will never be implimented page cloggers
civic pond
there are so, SO many other things other than accessories and weapons
sand umbra
lel
void kelp
suggestions that are “hey let’s tweak this” are the most plausible suggestions
and the ones that actually make sense
sand umbra
mfw I actually can keep my weapons to my own mod
civic pond
civic pond
west prairie
2k
void kelp
there’s been a lot of specific item suggestions that make me think “dude make your own mod”
sinful violet
Enough
west prairie
and youre absolutely done with dealing with more
zenith hazel
tl;dr weapons take up a lot of time, tweaks don’t
frosty kindle
blackhand you need to know that developers are humans, too
west prairie
i fuckin feel you there
zenith hazel
it’s not that hard to understand
sand umbra
I mainly just throw balancing suggestions out there nowadays.
verbal pagoda
what are you even on about
frosty kindle
there's already a ton of weapons anyways
sand umbra
Granted my balancing suggestions would probably take about as much time as items but at least balancing benefits everyone. 
civic pond
I only throw out certain changes to weapons regarding their placement
sinful violet
Clearly you don't blackhand. That's enough, you're muted.
west prairie
excuse me
void kelp
imo bumble those are good suggestions
civic pond
at least.. i have my profaned bathtub.
void kelp
balance suggestions, bossfight changes, and the like make sense to be in a suggestion box since they’re things that provide feedback from the community
civic pond
we should be focused on fleshing out the stuff we already have
verbal pagoda
those are the only valuable tbh
void kelp
but a specific item or whatever isn’t really feedback but more like “hey hey I have a cool idea what if”
sand umbra
I think the big thing that I throw out there to be pushed to the main mod nowadays is just. Balancing changes to help stuff be better.
verbal pagoda
weapons and shit are dev concerns
civic pond
there are progression gaps here and there
but those aren't too important
right now.
verbal pagoda
unless an idea is so goddamn great that we have to add it
void kelp
if someone wants a weapon or item that badly, pay for it
verbal pagoda
which is unlikely to happen
sand umbra
And even then, it's mainly changes to bosses to help them feel better/more...right, I guess?
civic pond
very, unlikely.
sand umbra
Everything else I just keep to CCC. o3o;
civic pond
Improving the items and bosses we already have in the game is 👍
fervent zealot
ok looks like i gotta make a high format 2 page mega detailed weapon suggestion and get it added
vocal grotto
CCC is just collection of random crap from #suggestions-voting confirmed
sand umbra
Just make sure it's exo-tier and/or a Legendary and/or a sword and/or a wanna dev weapon to truly fit the bill.
civic pond
aw
sand umbra
Don't wanna get too creative, now do we.
fervent zealot
what if. . .
void kelp
don’t forget the lack of proofreading, Thomas
fervent zealot
i make it an exo legendary dev weapon
void kelp
what if item got into the game because meme and I made a sprite for it please
zenith hazel
CCC is just #suggestions-voting but better
queen delta
also yoyos shouldnt be focused on so much
sand umbra
I'm making everything else too, shush.
brittle merlin
I know how about making draedon does so and so I’m his bossfight
sand umbra
Just don't expect me to give e.g. swords nearly the same treatment as yo-yos.
void kelp
scal is too hard so my suggestion is to nerf her
sand umbra
We already have enough swords.
civic pond
Yes one of the main problems is lack of discussion in this very channel
Those specific item suggs are rarely ever posted here first
sand umbra
Yeah here's a question, why do none of the suggestions get rambled on in here first?
void kelp
most of the discussion is having to explain to people why their suggestion is not going to be considered
sand umbra
Polished up, made presentable?
civic pond
nope!
brittle merlin
I mean I asked for feedback on my suggestion and didn’t really get any
civic pond
Doms suggestion was important too i think
void kelp
because they don’t read the pins / think their item is so good that they’re immune to feedback/don’t need feedback
civic pond
ah yes pins.
civic pond
change channel name to #read_motherfucking_pins
frosty kindle
"That sign isn't going to stop me because I can't read!"
civic pond
sand umbra
Basically.
void kelp
that’s basically how several suggestions feel
combine to people who literally join this discord to drop in their shitty suggestion and then leave
brittle merlin
I didn’t actually post anything in here for quite a while until I got a sense of what was a good suggestion and what was a bad suggestion
civic pond
I dont want to have another heated discussion
civic pond
but i think why the blackhand disagreed so much was because he felt this was a restriction of "community involvement" or something
ok dont hurt me
adios
fervent zealot
he wanted to continue making his suggestions even at the expense of others
bitter topaz
no, it's not that
he's just desperate to get his guardians weapons in, given how much he mentioned them
civic pond
oh yeah that too.
sand umbra
hueh
civic pond
hueh
civic pond
I doubt guardians will get drops any time soon
sand umbra
then thought of them again,
sinful violet
They're not the focus right now.
sand umbra
and then scrapped them again because I have no idea if the Guardians actually deserve drops.
sinful violet
Profaned content will be getting more later.
sand umbra
Guardians are big 
for me tbh--
civic pond
👍
sinful violet
That's certain
civic pond
Rogue update is the one after this coming one right?
sinful violet
mhm
civic pond
verbal pagoda
so many weapons yo
sand umbra
Woah! A whole new class? :O
sand umbra
Gee, Calamity, why do your devs let you have FIVE big classes?
sand umbra
oh wait Thorium has seven thonk
verbal pagoda
fervent zealot
but thorium is glued to vanilla paste so it's fine in the opinions of "everyone" ™
sand umbra
:aa:
verbal pagoda
we need more love for astral, shits kinda empty lmao
brittle merlin
Astral summon
sand umbra
Honestly.
civic pond
Astrals my favorite biome ngl
sand umbra
Need more Astral Infection love.
fervent zealot
astral is hot and yeah it needs more
zenith hazel
astral’s been getting more attention lately
civic pond
Not new enemies
zenith hazel
that ain’t too bad
civic pond
i mean like
fervent zealot
it needs.. something
fervent zealot
it's a biome but it's empty
fervent zealot
yeah, it needs background objects and misc crafting materials n shit
civic pond
they're important
zenith hazel
deus rework, new themes, a bit of a rework to drops, etc
fervent zealot
and yes please give us an astral herb
sand umbra
doge
limber gate
smh nitro
void kelp
astral needs a lot of love for sure and I’m hoping future updates have it
space weed
can we have space weed?,?1?3?
civic pond
dusty stirrup
Weed out of this world
sand umbra
I'm gonna go make an Astral herb now. +3+
void kelp
it gives you the distorted effect
civic pond
too bad
void kelp
but is it 420, brav?
civic pond
this ones out of this world
sand umbra
Starijuana.
civic pond
zenith hazel
get out
civic pond
please do.
zenith hazel
you are now banned forever
zenith hazel
heated discussion
civic pond
i just hope things actually CHANGE
void kelp
it’s about space weed and why we need it
void kelp
me too, doge
void kelp
just. I hope suggestions become better
civic pond
^
sand umbra
Ooo, this gives me a lot of Astral potion opportunities...
OFF TO MAKE ASTRAL STUFF I GO--
civic pond
ok but
zenith hazel
you jump super high
void kelp
have fun, make a space weed yoyo
zenith hazel
that’s it
zenith hazel
GSI is way more powerful than abyssal flames to be sure
civic pond
hmm
zenith hazel
but brew has the speed boost so it’s balanced out
civic pond
i think the one main thing astral is missing is craftables
civic pond
it uses space weed, aureus cell, water bottle
radiant meadow
astral is planned to get another crafting material in the future
civic pond
epic
zenith hazel
ah nice
radiant meadow
for now, you just have stardust, aureus cells, and astral bars to work with
and astral monoliths I guess?
civic pond
still the place is a little empty..
civic pond
im just saying a few plants here and there couldn't hurt
void kelp
fuck
radiant meadow
but ye, there are plans in the future to make it a little less empty
zenith hazel
hmm, aureus cells + ashes of calamity?
civic pond
im so confused
every suggestion i've thought of is usually already plans in the future
radiant meadow
of course
you can still make suggestions about the astral infection though if you wish
afaik, not too much is set in stone since it's not like the upcoming update
void kelp
bumble if it’s plans for the future it means that you’re fortelling the future
sand umbra
Might toss some of my Astral Infection ideas out there eventually.
Such as the Astral Infection overhaul that I've been working on for a while--
void kelp
excited to see in the future the suggestions
zenith hazel
there was a fishing suggestion about the astral infection a while ago
Star Fish iirc
mainly for a GSI potion that was an upgrade to inferno potion
sand umbra
...god, just
Part of me wants to toss the Astral Infection overhaul idea I have out there, but the other part is like "but is this actually balanced"--
void kelp
maybe we could, discuss it,
fervent zealot
nah this isn't suggestion discussion or anything
opal barn
I really would like some more fishing ngl, people really hate on it but it's really relaxing to just fish instead of going mining and farming all the time
sand umbra
YES
fervent zealot
i made a doc for crates to fill in the horrible material farming gaps a while ago
fervent zealot
but it died because of weapon suggestions drowning it out
void kelp
I’d love to be able to fish for essences
radiant meadow
fishing is fun if you feel up to it and have good fishing gear
opal barn
for example instead of just using old potions and materials to make the better potions there could be new types of fishing used to create those potions
sand umbra
And it's a shame it becomes pointless right after the start of Hardmode.
In fact I've already written up some new fishing catches.
void kelp
I wanna be able to go fishing and loot ice crates for essence of eleum instead of monster hunting
jovial spire
^
fervent zealot
literally i had crates all written up to let you farm essences, cores, phantoplasm, all abyss mats, cosmilite and luminite
sand umbra
Including a fish that replaces Unholy Essence in Profaned Rage and Holy Wrath Potions.
civic pond
oops i missed a lot
void kelp
or shadow crates dropping essence of chaos, and sky crates dropping essence of sunlight
sand umbra
I have a lot of ideas, it's good.
jovial spire
yeah fishing needs to be expanded upon imo
civic pond
sand umbra
Yeah.
jovial spire
May i hear them thomas?
void kelp
szavak I think I remember staring that suggestion
opal barn
You're thomes now btw
void kelp
thoms
fervent zealot
therlock thomes, instigator of the CCC
jovial spire
what kind
civic pond
thomes tomes
void kelp
I’m going to be writing a suggestion as soon as suggestions open up to basically be like “essence fishable”
jovial spire
like lunar flare or water bolt
zenith hazel
lunar flare smelli iirc
void kelp
he’s the RIV from skeletron because Thomas is special
civic pond
fervent zealot
rather than waiting how about we discuss crates that need to become a thing
void kelp
and hella cool and not actually a tome
sand umbra
I am now Sherlock Tomes, not-really-famous magical investigator.
fervent zealot
and which crates etc would give each essence
void kelp
ok so I’d think just add crate drops
skyware => sunlight, shadow => chaos, ice => eleum
fervent zealot
ok so 1. for sure add post plant shit to the "general" crate pool after post plant
civic pond
so fishing in a sky lake..?
void kelp
ectoplasm post-plant from dungeon crates
void kelp
oooh yes better sulphuric sea loot table drops for fishing
opal barn
sulphur fish in general, though what would they be used for
void kelp
rn it’s kinda sparse and silly imo since you either get unstackable items or whatever
sand umbra
Ectoplasm post-Plantera and Phantoplasm post-Pro-- wait this isn't CCC post-ML.
re: Dungeon Crates.
radiant meadow
phantoplasm used to be post prov
void kelp
sulfur fish => new hadal stew recipe?
radiant meadow
then non-linearity stuff happened
civic pond
i like that idea
fervent zealot
oh yes sulphur fish in new fish recipes and tbh calamity food
jovial spire
Maybe a chance to get cores instead of essence post plantera
radiant meadow
but you can't craft much with phantoplasm pre prov anyways
other than like seadragon and polter summon
opal barn
omg food mod????
void kelp
I’d love for the sulphuric sea to have more fishing things to get
fervent zealot
food mod but now it's calamity mod™
void kelp
it’s clam mod for a reason guys
civic pond
fishing weapons
radiant meadow
seafood summons wet snek tho
sand umbra
My idea for the Dungeon involves moving it back to post-Provi although Phantoplasm can still be obtained pre-Providence.
I don't really pay too much attention to the Dungeon currently though.
fervent zealot
back on topic, sulphur crate having a rare chance for all the abyss chest loot items, but only post skeleboio
civic pond
but wet snek is generally friendly.
radiant meadow
why move it back to post-Prov?
sand umbra
My focus rn is the s p a c e c r e a t u r e s
void kelp
ooh yes szavak that would be perfect!
sand umbra
My reasoning was a bunch of power being released from ML + Provi.
void kelp
after all the dungeon crate has the ability to give you dungeon items
fervent zealot
post plant the crate gets lowered rates for those things, but also super epic™ post plant abyss materials
civic pond
that way RNG cant kill you
opal barn
I like that idea szavak
civic pond
👍
fervent zealot
i literally had this idea in the doc fuckall ages ago
opal barn
would fix the issue with certain weapons being unobtainable if you're unlucky
void kelp
I love the idea but I think it was drowned by specific item suggestions
fervent zealot
yes, it was
sand umbra
It makes some sense if you think about it I'm just not sure if it would be good from a gameplay standpoint in terms of non-linearity.
jovial spire
yeah it sucks when that happens
void kelp
can’t wait for them to be prohibited
radiant meadow
providence still has some relevant aftermath even w/o dungeon
sand umbra
Fair.
void kelp
ore iirc
radiant meadow
she unlocks like 2 new tiers of weapons
fervent zealot
and yeah sulphur crate is a much more condensed form, less clog when fishing in the sulphur sea, which opens up a whole world of sulphur fish
sand umbra
fervent zealot
but fish can wait while i reshill the rest of my crates
void kelp
crate could also drop the items that you currently fish up
fervent zealot
well no shit, that also solves the annoying fishing level issues in the sea
void kelp
it’s kinda disappointing to go fishing in sulphur sea to find maybe 3 different items, tops
sand umbra
One possible idea could be like
moving Bloodstone in particular to post-ML or something?
void kelp
oh my god yeah
jovial spire
maybe fishing in hell of hallow you can get unholy essence post ML and after provi dies a small chance for Unholy geodes
sand umbra
Or having it drop from the buffed Blood Moon enemies.
fervent zealot
if you want certain items in the sea you have to lower your fishing level which makes it slow and fucking painful
sand umbra
It's a weird idea but it's one I have nonetheless.
radiant meadow
moving bloodstone to post-ML instead of post-Prov would require the entire tier to be nerfed
fervent zealot
don't worry thomas i already have a crate for you
opal barn
I'd rather just have new fish that would replace unholy essence when making potions @jovial spire
radiant meadow
and cause bloodflare armor to be even more separated from the weapons
jovial spire
that would also be cool
sand umbra
The big issue I see with the idea I have is Bloodflare armor which is currently post-Polter--
radiant meadow
elemental weapons are already plenty for prov
void kelp
szavak I’m excited to see your fishing overhaul
radiant meadow
you just want to use lacerator for prov, don't you
fervent zealot
speaking of said crate, the ruined crate being added to the lava fishing pool for hell
sand umbra
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmaybe
fervent zealot
also, a fucking crafting recipe for the hotline fishing rod
chaotic bars, boom, done
no more farming for that shit
sand umbra
actually i didn't even realize the lacerator would be nerfed/moved lel
radiant meadow
hotline drops from levi
sand umbra
You know what's ACTUALLY needed.
fervent zealot
that's kinda cringe iirc because big fish no drop fire rod
sand umbra
A fucking Golden Fishing Rod crafting recipe.
radiant meadow
wdym? 
fervent zealot
golden fishing rod is guarenteed, and calam adds fishing accs to make quest fishing fine
void kelp
golden rod + hotline fishing hook combined when
fervent zealot
shit that's a good idea
civic pond
void kelp
I want to have high fishing rates in lava too
opal barn
fishing and food
civic pond
sounds great to me
void kelp
see, fishing is what calamity really needs
fervent zealot
screw making hotline craftable, we're making a new fishing rod out of chaotic bars and abyss materials
void kelp
can fish in lava
opal barn
we have been blinded by all the bosses
civic pond
Fishing is one of the less noticeable aspects of terraria iirc
sand umbra
Fishing, food, and I-don't-know-where-to-place-the-overhauled-post-ML-Dungeon-buff.
opal barn
but what the mod really needed was fish
civic pond
void kelp
we’ve been blinded by the worms
civic pond
also has astral fish been discussed yet?
void kelp
but little did we realize
fervent zealot
nope i haven't gone there yet
void kelp
worms are PERFECT to fish with as bait
civic pond
well either way
sand umbra
I tried to think of Astral fish.
sand umbra
...I didn't get too far. o3o
fervent zealot
i have a lot to cover for that but first lemme get the ruined (hell and misc) crate out of the way
civic pond
@sand umbra you need a pun name dont you.
void kelp
would those count as specific item suggestions?
sand umbra
...no. o3o
jovial spire
wonder how the infection would affect fish
civic pond
it would be a fish
fervent zealot
no, they wouldn't count for that kinda thing
sand umbra
I need to know what the fuck an Astral fish would be.
void kelp
astral goldfish
civic pond
why
void kelp
blocked
jovial spire
civic pond
ok anyways..
I'd really love to see that sulphurous crate sugg get added
that way abyss RNG cant fuck you over
sand umbra
Maybe I'll give fishing stuff brainstorming another shot now that I know more about making dumb space puns and the post-ML/post-Provi Dungeon overhaul isn't rearing its head at me.
fervent zealot
itwasinadocandgotmurderizedbyitemsuggs
jovial spire
Yeah it wouId be cool
fervent zealot
i'm giving the honor of posting the suggestion as a whole to spider since he wanted to pitch fishing anyways
civic pond
👍
void kelp
noooooo
civic pond
i think crates are pretty important
jovial spire
But yeah it sucks that alot of good suggestion are butied by item suggestions, glad thats likely gonna be fixed soon
civic pond
i mean other than slimes
sand umbra
Fuck it.
civic pond
crates are a good source too
void kelp
szavak you pitch the fishing crates addition
fervent zealot
but yeah ruined crates lava fishing have neat shit related to mostly death and hell (phantoplasm, ruinous souls, bloodstone, unholy essence, and heightened chances for cores/essence of chaos)
sand umbra
I'm gonna cook up a whole bunch of fishing catches.
void kelp
I’m gonna pitch the essence / calamity drops addition
void kelp
do you feel like a fish out of water with these puns?
civic pond
I gotta wait till the next day to pitch my mourningstar move again
void kelp
or do you think we’re fishing for them too heavily?
fervent zealot
and now for the final crate, the most useful crate™
civic pond
oh?
sand umbra
Feel free to take a gander at the CCC doc for updates on my quest to add a billion fishing catches iirc--
fervent zealot
the good ol astral crate™
jovial spire
Astralin Fishkin
civic pond
you know what
fervent zealot
astral in the sense of stars AND infection
fervent zealot
because bitch i'm gonna put so much shit in this thing
void kelp
hell yeah
civic pond
fear
jovial spire
hmm what other good pun names can i think of
fervent zealot
we're talking stardust, astral ore and bars, low chance for the myriad astral enemy weapon drops, luminite, exodium clusters, and cosmilite
fervent zealot
aureus exists and the fragments should at least involve fighting to farm because of their og methods
luminite and cosmilite however are both just hot ass to farm the fights due to length
civic pond
eh fine
sand umbra
And in ML's case, the fight being garbage to farm. +3+
fervent zealot
ofc everything here being post respective bosses
fervent zealot
that's just assumed because it'd be stupid otherwise
and yeah that's all i really got for crates
radiant meadow
cosmilite is a little less tedious to farm since sentinels were removed at least
civic pond
thats fair
fervent zealot
doesn't the 20 second between phases still exist
radiant meadow
it's closer to 10
sand umbra
Cosmilite is less of a nightmare to farm.
civic pond
luminite however
fervent zealot
regardless it's long and grindy, and it was before sentinels were even part of the fight
civic pond
is total ass
fervent zealot
yeah luminite is complete rubbish
sand umbra
This is why I added Luminite to Profaned Crates--
civic pond
although i love its walls and how it looks
fervent zealot
and slapping it on aureus would also be rubbish because postml aureus is rubbish
fervent zealot
yeah, fragments are fine because it's just a condensed easy way to get them
and you don't need that many of them until you can actually pretty easily end postml aureus
but again, luminite farming is trash and almost everything needs tons of it
and thus, fishing
civic pond
i feel like galactica singularities could be used in more things.
fervent zealot
or maybe the ore spawning in planetoids too
sinful violet
ye those kinds of ideas are being held onto
fervent zealot
bet blackhand'd be telling us otherwise
sand umbra
hueh
fervent zealot
but yeah i'll get all the crates into a new doc soon
sand umbra
I'm probably gonna toss the Astral Infection sect of my fishing catches list in #suggestions-voting once it goes back up.
queen delta
We havent forgotten about him yet?
sand umbra
...assuming I can figure out what they'll be by that point. o3o
fervent zealot
nah i just wanted to jab at him since he's probably watching us angrily from beyond
sand umbra
Yeah imma spend my time figuring out Astral Infection stuff for a lil' while.
fervent zealot
have fun because astral needs more life
civic pond
serpens still confuses me
sand umbra
Draco is the mini-boss, yeah.
queen delta
just make it so astral infection spreads
sand umbra
hehehehehehe
civic pond
YATA I SWEAR TO GOD
civic pond
someone already suggested that.
fervent zealot
i'll make it so astral infection spreads to your pfp
civic pond
queen delta
bam, now its about as impactful as world evils and hallow 
sand umbra
I already tried that and it was shot down within half an hour. o3o
queen delta
make the code so complicated begone evil gives up
sand umbra
Also I may or may not also be expanding Hardmode evil biomes and Hallow--
civic pond
brb getting dual wield clentaminators
queen delta
what if clentaminators dont work?
fervent zealot
why bother when i have the galactic reformers right here
civic pond
im deleting terraria.
queen delta
can only contain them by making an at least 10 block thick tunnel separating them
spread radius is around 10 blocks
fervent zealot
trust me, it was worse during 1.1
queen delta
oh, and the initial impact sends some very tiny bits of astral infection deeper and scattered much farther
so you'd have to search for those bits before they get out of control
sand umbra
b r u h
queen delta
sand umbra
that's actually a nice idea discounting the idea of spreading AI
fervent zealot
ok have some shitty spreading biomes truths
civic pond
fervent zealot
there was no clentaminator in 1.1 and there was no plant death to slow down spread
sand umbra
Smaller bits of Underground Astral Infection.
fervent zealot
your world died
smoky wagon
add a plague biome that spawns in the jungle and spreads through it
civic pond
The main thing i hope for all these suggestions
smoky wagon
lol
sand umbra
add a plague biome that spawns in the jungle
I like this idea.
and spreads through it
I no longer like this idea.
civic pond
no
queen delta
and that plague jungle ruins your jungle better than natural corruption or crimson could ever do
civic pond
You sick fucks can go make a seperate mod for that, ok?
smoky wagon
if i ever get actually decent at terraria coding i would like to code new calamity biomes
fervent zealot
plague mini biomes that don't spread would actually be really cool
smoky wagon
mainly a plague biome and a profaned biome
sand umbra
That said I could probably make like. A plague mini-biome in the Jungle.
civic pond
you know a Plagued Hive biome would be neat
sand umbra
That'd be neat stuff.
smoky wagon
well it wouldn't be a mini biome
fervent zealot
no, no plagued hive, plagued hive bad and overdone
queen delta
Perhaps the plague mini biome would be somewhere near the temple
and spreads 10x faster than corruption/crimson at early hardmode
smoky wagon
it would spawn around the temple and you would have to fight PBG in it
fervent zealot
yeah, near the temple and the sole location of some of the most annoying plague enemies
smoky wagon
you could spread it with a solution
sand umbra
I like this idea more and more as we talk more about it.
smoky wagon
some of PBG's drops would be moved
civic pond
yes.
fervent zealot
nah, plague doesn't need that much expansion
it needs either one smallish (crags or smaller) biome and drop redistribution
sand umbra
Bruh literally the only purpose of Plague rn is the Pogbringer Goliath.
smoky wagon
plague feels incomplete, the enemies feel out of place in the jungle
same with the profaned enemies
civic pond
yeah i dont like plagueshells.
fervent zealot
exactly
smoky wagon
thus imo they should have their own biome
sand umbra
Plagueshells.
civic pond
Profaned is honestly fine to me
fervent zealot
some of the plague enemies are absolutely horrid because of how atrocious the jungle's spawnrate is
smoky wagon
well part of my profaned biome expansion would be it spawning in hell and on the surface
with unique enemies
sand umbra
My idea actually relies on it being two separate biomes because each has different ones--
civic pond
I mean profaned enemies are a result of both dark and light
hallowed and uh hell
so i dont see any need for changes
smoky wagon
impious immolators feel more like pixies
civic pond
shrug
smoky wagon
scorn eaters look more inplace in the underworld
sand umbra
Mhm.
civic pond
thomas i read that already
smoky wagon
profaned energy fits anywhere
sand umbra
you literally guessed exactly where I moved the Profaned enemies to
civic pond
smoky wagon
i just want to make a profaned flying enemy with a flamethrower for lols
civic pond
At least immolators are passive
sand umbra
I wanna make new Profaned enemies too but I'm not sure what they'd look like or do.
civic pond
i doubt they need any new ones tbh
smoky wagon
if it were expanded into a biome it would
but in the current state its probably fine
sand umbra
Honestly the new stunts I added to existing enemies is probably enough--
smoky wagon
im saying if a new biome were added they would be moved to only spawn there
fervent zealot
profaned doesn't need a whole biome, it needs a minibiome or related structure to be "complete"
that's what most of vanilla has that calamity biomes and world changes are lacking
civic pond
i like the idea of a structure
civic pond
?
fervent zealot
it'd suck if your building got screwed up by a post worldgen thing, which means that these structures'd have to exist on worldgen or be guarenteed to not screw with existing things, which seems way harder
fervent zealot
though honestly, astral could have some shrine underground to "designate" the region that would get astral'd
i know it's possible to make meteors avoid certain blocks, so it seems plausible that a meteor could be made to hit a certain region
civic pond
im going to attempt spriting an astral crate
but uh
i need something to base it off of
sinful violet
technically leaks, but we already have sprites for that
civic pond
oops
sinful violet
don't want to waste your time
fervent zealot
i guess i'll simply perish instead of making an astral crate suggestion
civic pond
what about sulphur
fervent zealot
still gonna do that ye because we need sulphur crate in our lives
civic pond
one thing about suggestions confuses me
sinful violet
is that default dance cowboy
civic pond
uh yes maybe
sinful violet
sorry do continue
civic pond
ok anyways
If i happen to suggest something that is already planned
i mean how am i supposed to know without leaks
sand umbra
mood with anything I make for CCC
civic pond
fervent zealot
well if a suggestion you thought of gets in then you can just say your idea is very good™
civic pond
👍
tired haven
Or it's a copper hammer in a starter bag
sand umbra
I make all this stuff for CCC, implement it and all that.
tired haven
sand umbra
And then the devs are like
sand umbra
"bruh, we already had 90% of this shit planned"
civic pond
wait does that exist?
sand umbra
tired haven
Tbh that's the same issue for me
Up until this incident I never knew they ignore suggestions only because the crap was planned months ago
And kept pushing seemingly purposeful weps/accs
civic pond
i mean they cant leak anything so we never really know do we..?
sand umbra
We never really do.
civic pond
i mean specific item suggs are probably getting axed
tired haven
Well, there is a difference between absolute silence and "oh, see, we actually plan stuff but don't spoiler it"
sand umbra
...that said, I'll still make CCC stuff. I imagine there's at least some purpose to me doing all this.
sand umbra
idk
civic pond
sand umbra
Probably the devs having pre-existing plans for much of the stuff I try to expand upon.
sand umbra
bruh
civic pond
its taking me hours to read this thing
sand umbra
Ah, you've reached the armors! +3+
ashen warren
what are you reading?
civic pond
i cant count
ashen warren
props for admitting that
ivory heart
When the player kills a boss for the first time in Deathmode, display this “greeting” message:
Welcome to Deathmode. Bosses will be a lot stronger than you might envision them as, and many of them gain new frightening and deadly attacks to kill you faster. An unspeakable treasure will await when you kill the final boss, if you choose to continue your path, so if you wish to make this decision, then go forth and conquer ‘til the world’s end!
devout seal
Death mode doesn't even have an exclusive item that's worth anything, it's literally just a challenge mode
tepid wadi
^
sand umbra
...oh and also if you're on Hardcore you get a plushie doll for beating DoG or something lol
ivory heart
It comes with Cosmic Guardian-calling stabs
radiant meadow
That "greeting" seems way too frivilous and just glorifies death mode when in reality, like Ion said, it's a self imposed challenge mode with the only exclusive items being vanity
sand umbra
Cosmic Plushie > Levi iirc--
frosty kindle
Shadow Orb > all iirc
queen delta
Levi > cosmic plushie
Cosmic plushie is the sole reason i go auric over demonshade for BR nohits
radiant meadow
alright, no more arguing which pet is the best and keep the topic to something related to suggestions
full bramble
north adder
Alright, I was putting some thought into it. I havent's tried to 'use' the rare elemental in a bottle too much in boss situations ( though from experience so far it'd be even harder...) Has anyone suggested a rework of it's effects?
Unless I'm missing something, its only job is to throw healing orbs vertically... which seem to despawn before I can even reach them (and in the provess any subsequent orbs fly -higher- due to the elemental following)
queen delta
Yeah the healing effect is near useless
civic pond
i say make them home but decrease the frequency of them
north adder
at 15 hp each and the pacing/ despawn, Ican't see it being at all useful for the person wearign it. 'maybe' as healing for allies, but the actual user seems highly unlikely to be able to heal (and in fact, likely would end up takign a high damage hit tryign for minor health)
civic pond
:/
north adder
Either home, or increase the decay time for them and recuce the velocity... or
Have the elemental toss them in an arc
They get tossed up in the player's general direction, but then it's player's task to ensure they 'hit'
worthy fiber
Turn Rare Sand Elemental into a RIV 
north adder
if standing still the elemental will likely hit, but high movement her aim won't be accurate and won't be homing
Think an easy way to do that would be to set her to 'target' the player with projectiles? would take care of it nicely, and maybe reduce healing to 10
so more useful, but standing still also means you're more likely for enemy hits too
The current version really just irks me, lmao
rapid pivot
Here's an idea for a suggestion.
Suggestion:Reduce the amount of damage that Boulders do if playing on Hardcore.
Why:Because, quite frankly, those things are BS on Hardcore, able to cause instant death if you don't have whatever potion that lets you see them on you constantly. Having an instant death because you stood in the wrong place on hardcore isn't 'difficulty', it's just a royal pain.
livid coral
Yeah. Because Hardcore is bullshit when you have random ass boulder traps that could kill you at any time.
I'm not sure we CAN reduce boulder damage. Can we?
bitter topaz
i think you should be able too?
the mod already does it with tomb crawlers, so i assume repurposing said lines of code should suffice
vocal grotto
I mean, you could just change the AI of boulders a bit to fix their damage.
vocal grotto
Case in point, it's not hard to do
queen sail
Yeah even Terry's nerfing dune splicer hp in masomeme prehm
vocal grotto
I made tomb crawler just not exist in one of my older mods 
mystic grotto
You can't just say that and not drop a link 👀
queen schooner
uhh why i cant post on the suggestons channel?
queen schooner
oh thx
earnest raptor
Question: is possible to migrate @SuggestionBot to this?
lost agate
Why would you?
earnest raptor
Idea of server or moving suggestion bot?
terse sundial
Didn't we already decide on not doing this?
Finding the time to get a new staff, finding a time to port over bots etc.
we decided that is wasn't worth it
earnest raptor
Staff would be same.
terse sundial
you gotta ask them to move over there, not everyone here who is a mod moderates this channel
teal ibex
for some reason. 
earnest raptor
I can delete that server, if nobody likes this, that's easy.
teal ibex
terse sundial
earnest raptor
Let's ask Sors.
terse sundial
we brought it up in the Dev server about it, once again many of us decided that is wasn't worth it
rover was the one who brought it up, not to mention that we would need perms from the Calamity team to go ahead and make this server
earnest raptor
@hollow shell
should I delete my suggestion server? Or it should live?
bitter topaz
smh
@earnest raptor can you not, thanks?
unique vector
im pretty sure we came to a consensus its a bad idea
i would pull up ss but im tired atm
sinful violet
It's not what we're doing, yes.
earnest raptor
So, deleting?
bitter topaz
i've already deleted it for you (the invite that is)
terse sundial
they mean the server
spiral olive
I feel like we’ve said it countless times before but ig it just doesn’t get through. The issue is 2 parts. 1 part flooding of #suggestions-voting , second part flooding the suggestions that make it to dev server that are usually ignored anyway because future plans are already in the works. Making a server just to suggest weapons will do absolutely nothing.
terse sundial
^
earnest raptor
As nobody respect that idea, my bootleg server has been destroyed. Thanks for response.
I wasted 2 hours while setuping this
brittle merlin
Just don’t post things
teal ibex
Request
Stop posting melodrama and take the change seriously and instead of tucking your tail between your legs and fleeing the scene of the crime, just wait until you think of something new to post.
Reason: lol
sinful violet
:taxevasion:
proven tide
"let's relocate the suggestions chat to take up less space on the main server so item suggestions can be legal again"
earnest raptor
@proven tide doesn't work. I have deleted my server with simular idea.
proven tide
... except for the facts that a) in order for it to be officially associated with Calamity as proper Calamity suggestions it would still be governed by the same rules, b) it's not that the items are taking up server space but suggestions space so making a new server wouldn't change how many item suggestions are wasting space
and c) lol
guess who was making a response not proposing an idea
proven tide
Regarding the item suggestion situation, it's not that the server's being cluttered, but the suggestions input; so no matter how the Calamiteam choose to implement said suggestion system (be it via outsourcing, splitting chats, or having one mainline chat to contain it all), the issue is that the item suggestions will flood the input system regardless of how it manifests.
Now, that wouldn't be such an issue if the items themselves were of decent value; but as it stands the vast majority of these posts have become indulgent, shallow, poorly-planned, oversaturated, and generally stale, leaving the suggestions subcommunity to stagnate in their shadow.
No matter how much space these suggestions are given or where they are put, the issue remains: they have become wasteful and vacuous, acting as the main attraction of the suggestions (wow, look, any know-nothing I'm new to Discord, say hi! fan can demand his Original Creation, Do Not Steal™ Super-Diamond Ultra Blade and have it receive the same treatment and attention as every other suggestion, regardless of their worth) and yet contributing nothing.
There really are some great ideas in this place. But for every proximity-based Adrenaline scaling and (lol), there are a hundred Bloomerangs and Super Nail Guns and Sparks of Lore and Unholy Armours and Helz Rollers and Crowns of Calamity (all of which are from the last two days), and not one of these adds anything meaningfully dynamic, useful, or interesting to the mod. Item suggestions have gone from sometimes neat to incoherent and mind-numbing filler.
The issue isn't the space taken up. It's the ideas that fill them.
tldr suggestions server no
also items bad and make me mad >:(
seyahah i have suggested items also
brittle merlin
Wow my item suggestion was counted in the list of bad ones
I actually don’t think it’s all that good now that I look at it again
golden kayak
Herz Roller?
brittle merlin
I probably should have refined it more
golden kayak
^
proven tide
it was more that it was Yet Another Item Suggestion That Will Be Lucky To Reach 60 Stars Within The Week that was only really noticed because it was given a sprite
oh fuck yeah, did i mention sprites?
i need to go mention sprites
proven tide
i was talking about the roller
brittle merlin
Ah
golden kayak
Helz roller has a sprite.
proven tide
prolly shoulda clarified
golden kayak
(Do not like this one tho)
I really hope nothing will change in a poll and Fargo will win.
brittle merlin
It was winning by a landslide when I voted
queen delta
It was like 87% in favor of getting it removed when i voted
Now the other side suddenly surged for some reason
hollow shell
Nah it was a gradual evening-out, best I can tell
Same thing kinda happened with the vote to raise the req to 90
brittle merlin
What was it before
hollow shell
All the people greatly in support voted first, then the rest of the votes were more even, bringin it closer to 50/50
it was 65 before 90
50 before that, 35 before that
brittle merlin
So it was raised to limit the amount of suggestions sent to the dev server?
golden kayak
Imagine 35 now
hollow shell
Yeah, cuz the server only grows larger
Star req's gotta accommodate to keep roughly the same delivery flow
brittle merlin
Otherwise it would be even more of a flood then it is now
hollow shell
90 seems to be serving us well even now though, despite the fact we raised it 4 months ago
brittle merlin
But that’s still quite a bit
hollow shell
It's a decent amount.
We're not gonna need another raising anytime soon, I'll tell you that
(Probably)
brittle merlin
Instead of banning weapon suggestions just raise the star amounts for weapons/ items to 180
golden kayak
Super Nail Calamity Crown
golden kayak
What was the name of the guy who was against the change? He argued for that a lot.
brittle merlin
Yeah
hollow shell
100 woulda been nicer but also prolly too high
brittle merlin
Not unrealistic but still high enough
queen schooner
make it 500 stars LOL
grizzled abyss
If i want to repost a suggestion that got in before how long till its ok to do so
signal prairie
golden kayak
@batty A week.
brittle merlin
Eh
grizzled abyss
What if it got 90 before?
hollow shell
A week if it's your own suggestion
If it was somebody else's similar idea, you can post whenever you want
queen schooner
whats going on with item suggestions?
hollow shell
If it's your own suggestion and it got 90, there is no need to repost.
If it's someone else's and it got 90, you reposting it will give it a bluecheck
jovial spire
cool imma see if chaos and tranquility candles can get in twice 
brittle merlin
I don’t really like the idea reposting suggestions
Unless it got buried under some walls of suggestions
hollow shell
Yeah the week-long waiting period is to make sure that, like
it's posted under totally different conditions
just in case they got unlucky the first time
or whatever
grizzled abyss
So uhh, the likelihood that it will be implemented after this long is pretty low huh?
proven tide
Vetus is anger, part 2:
And sprites. Posting concept art for items was once a novel touch of commitment to ideas. Now every random with Photoshop and half a brain can slap a handful of eyebleeding squares together for an immediate shallow attention-grabber, artificially inflating the reactions and adding itself to the pile of gratuitous automatic dev-server item transfers that everyone knows will never be given so much as a sidelong glance again.
We can't keep raising star limits to counteract the increasing volumes of wearisome blades of ooga booga and their fancy ⭐-economy-ruining eye-bleaching sprites, because it only lowers the chance of genuinely interesting ideas being given proper treatment. That doesn't address the problem at hand, which is that the item suggestions are overloading the system as a whole.
It doesn't matter where these suggestions are or how the delivery system is approached. There's no longer any point in plugging these concepts into chat endlessly when nothing goes anywhere and all that happens is the investment of the more insightful suggesters is sapped by the loads of monotonous 'here's a sword that exists solely for an anime reference, I even sprited it for the devs!' posts.
angre
golden kayak
@grizzled abyss Your Book Mimic got much over 90 and was greenchecked (sent to devs). Was not implemented tho.
grizzled abyss
Thats what i was gonna say