suggestions-discussion

[tawny tide]

i mean i assume theyre a lot more experienced than the average player

but if thats the case then idk

[zenith hazel]

sub4 can be troublesome if yharon doesn't tp at a good position

otherwise sub4 is pretty much the easiest subphase

[distant gyro]

sub5 is easier

[tawny tide]

i find sub4 the hardest, i die there far and away the most

but i may just be approaching it wrong

[zenith hazel]

sub5 has those bs flarenado spawns sometimes

sub8 is the easiest tbh

[distant gyro]

In order to beat sub4, you kinda need to know what you're doing. First, you need to know that Yharon will appear in either 4 corners. Second, He always dash once, twice, thrice, 4 times, 5 times, and repeat. Everytime he finish a dash pattern, you have to be aware that he'll teleport so you won't move into the 4 corners.

This is a similar mechanic to Duke Fishron's 3rd phase in Expert Mode. So are you asking the same nerf to Expert Fishron?

[full bramble]

taking sub4 too fast is asking to get hit

the only reason you get telefragged is when you're flying at a fast speed when yharon stops charging for a split moment

I find expert fishron p3 like 3x harder than yharon sub4

[distant gyro]

I find death fishron p3 harder than death yharon sub4 as well. Curse the sharkrons

[lost agate]

Oh yeah should have posted my suggestion here first ._ .

oh yeah and you could just ignore siren when levi spawns and you wont get the new attacks from siren so harhar its basically a nerf

[slow spruce]

Honestly I didn't really have a problem with Siren and Levi when I fought them in Rev for the first time, I just wiped the floor with Siren and slogged through Levi bc of his x2 DR

[lost agate]

Well a lot of people had troubles with Siren

[slow spruce]

Probably, I'll be fighting them again soon enough so I'll let you know how it goes this time

[lost agate]

And even then, having so many things happen when siren gets to 50% HP its a little uh

A little too excessive

And hence why i say she may or may not need an hp buff if this happens

So its not basically a siren melting competition and more of a strategic fight

[slow spruce]

I mean a siren melting competition is kind of strategic bc you then don't have to deal with 2 foes

It's just a boring strategy

[lost agate]

Its not really strategic its just getting rid of one problem asap

[slow spruce]

Getting rid of the problem is usually a very good strategy I find, but I understand what you mean, you want there to be some thought put into whether to kill levi or siren first?

[lost agate]

Pretty much

[slow spruce]

I can get behind that, playing beatdown on Levi for 5 min isn't very fun

[lost agate]

As for levi, i have other ideas but those are for later

For now i wanna suggest about siren

[slow spruce]

Makes sense, too much is no bueno

Do you use the magnum guns at all?

[lost agate]

I try not to

[slow spruce]

I never have before and didn't realize that the magnum bullets were so rare so I have to make a new world to try it out 😅

Someone on another chat said he didn't think they were that good, but if the bullets are so rare then they have to be at least a little good

[lost agate]

Theyre pretty much "hey shoot this very rare type of ammo at an organic/inorganic enemy and look at part of his hp go away"

They make it more rare everytime and they still get called un balanced

So you know why they are so rare

[tawny tide]

why do they exist in the first place tho i dont rlly understand it

[lost agate]

You used to be able to get the ammo in several other ways

[slow spruce]

Oh?

[tawny tide]

its just a "feel free to cut part of the boss' hp off free of charge" button

[lost agate]

Idk

And yeah Noc you could even buy them from an NPC

They were hella expensive

[slow spruce]

I mean if you had to kill another boss 3 times to do so it would be a good time sink, you really wouldn't want to use them unless you knew you were gonna win

How long ago was that?

[lost agate]

Like 1 or 2 months i think

[slow spruce]

Really I don't remember that at all, I also didn't try using the gun until this playthrough

[lost agate]

If anything, the ammo could stop dropping from bosses and be sold again so its not so "free of charge"

[slow spruce]

That's a way, or make it only craftable but really hard to craft?\

[lost agate]

"Wanna hit a boss hard? Great gimme a few platinum coins"

[foggy kindle]

20 plat for a single bullet iirc

[slow spruce]

20 is a little ridiculous

[lost agate]

It still got called OP so not ridiculous enough ig

[foggy kindle]

Or 2, idk, I had that version for a while before I found this Discord

[slow spruce]

I mean I've gotten about 4 plat pre hardmode so far and I'm sure there a people who go through a lot faster and with less cash than me

cheaper pre hardmode then more expensive the later you are?

[lost agate]

Then theres people who abuse QB/DS for money

So 20 plat doesnt feel like much to them so they call it OP

[slow spruce]

QB/DS?

[lost agate]

Queen bee/ desert scourge

[slow spruce]

oh yeah, I can see that, kinda easy to no hit

[lost agate]

Aka lets nuke these bosses with post ML weapons or something repeatedly for money

[slow spruce]

You don't even need that on my last character I did it right before plantera

[lost agate]

Anyway brb

[slow spruce]

Thanks for chatting

[sand umbra]

Personally I'd make them exclusively bought from the Arms Dealer at certain points in progression for a hefty helping of platinum rather than dropped from bosses--

[slow spruce]

Yeah but as Shock said most people don't care about money that much, that's why I think making you take time to get them is a bigger deal than money

[sand umbra]

You can literally continuously make new worlds or undo the kill state of bosses such as EoC to farm classless gun ammo.

It doesn't take too much time at all.

[slow spruce]

yeah, but that's exactly what I don't want to do, making throwaway worlds and deleting them is less apealling to me then having to go into my world and farm a HARDER boss

[faint needle]

Most people would genuenly hate having to farm harder bosses for something that goes by so quickly

And post ml magnum rounds are almost worthless anyway

Cause of elephant killer

[slow spruce]

That would make people stop complaining about them being op right? Because it would be a use of time

I wouldn't know, I haven't used it

[faint needle]

They're meant to be op afaik

Op at the cost of your money

[unique vector]

its supposed to be like resident evil’s magnum

[slow spruce]

Never played RE

[faint needle]

Me neither

[unique vector]

you get a limited number of ammo per save (or in this case per world) with the tradeoff of a super powerful weapon

[faint needle]

Ah ok

[unique vector]

of course the mechanic isnt flawless bc unlike RE where you can’t save scum, in terraria you can

so if you’re really dedicated you can just keep making worlds to farm for ammo, which is entirely the opposite of how the weapon is intended to be

[tawny tide]

i just end up selling the drops i get because i dont enjoy the mechanic

[faint needle]

I've never use those weapons and I'm not planning too tbh

^

[unique vector]

i dont use them either bc i don’t like making bosses easier

for others if they have difficulty in a boss its super nice to have though

[faint needle]

Then I will be really should have used them for dog on my rogue playtrough

[unique vector]

this is more of a #calamity-mod-talk

[slow spruce]

I just decided to try them bc it was recommended on the guide list, and I've never used them before but I'm not gonna bother now tbh

[unique vector]

my piece on the suggestion though is that they shouldn’t be farmable

[faint needle]

Yeh

[tawny tide]

alright might as well ask before i suggest it but

does anyone else think elemental quiver not having the arrow velocity bonus that magic quiver does is a downgrade

i think it should

i also feel like it just does less damage but i havent actually tested that so i wont bother making it a part of the suggestion yet

its just super underwhelming to finally upgrade the quiver and suddenly have slower weaker arrows

even with the splitting and daedalus emblem effects

[smoky wagon]

elemental quiver is definitley better

Reduced velocity is negligible compared to all the benefits it gives

[tawny tide]

i was testing the two against yharon with no other changes

and i felt like i was doin significantly less with elemental than magic

besides that i think it just kind of defeats the point of magic quiver being in the recipie if one of its most important features is absent

[smoky wagon]

were you missing

[tawny tide]

nah

i waited to test the dps until i was close enough to see the arrows impact

[smoky wagon]

Elemental quiver just gives higher stat boosts so it really shouldnt have less dps

[tawny tide]

same arrows, buffs, other gear, and i tried it with both alluvion and phangasm

so im not sure what im missing

[distant gyro]

it's like mana regen band vs magic cuffs iirc

you sacrifice one thing for another

[tawny tide]

i just feel like the velocity bonus is so important to magic quiver id rather it dig into the damage buff instead

[distant gyro]

then there's 6.67% chance to instakill normal enemies

and a chance to do triple dps

[tawny tide]

the normal enemies thing seems negligible because the damage was so high compared to most stuff anyway

and idk if the triple damage crits just werent happening or what

because they never seemed to help very much

[tired haven]

Fairly sure the velocity bonus doesn't work on calamity arrows or most bows at this point due to capped bonus

[tawny tide]

it doesnt work with bows that shoot unique projectiles

but terra arrows and stuff seemed to work fine

[jovial spire]

Reduce the amount of enemies you have to kill for each pillar from 100 to 70 after Moon Lord has been killed.
Why this should be added: If you don't feel like buying Celestial Sigals or prefer to kill pillars for fragments (or need fragments and luminite), this would make it make it far more convienent grinding wise, enough to where you still need to put some effort into it but it's still noticablly faster.

whatchya guys think

[faint needle]

Aureus and deus drop fragmenrs

Areus post ml and deus pre

[jovial spire]

ik

[faint needle]

And that os far more convenient then farming pillsrs

[jovial spire]

but alot of the time i need fragments i also need luminite

[faint needle]

Especially early post ml

You can make celestial sigils out of fragments from deus and aureus

[hollow shell]

And buy them iirc

[faint needle]

Yeah

[hollow shell]

Ye, wizard sells em

[faint needle]

But that in a way less convenient

[hollow shell]

Mh
Pretty expensive

[faint needle]

Yeah

Astral chunks cost less

[jovial spire]

yeah which i why i also prefer to do the pillar way, id rather save my money for reforges

[faint needle]

Buy chunks

They don't cost much afaik

Or just craft them yourself

They also aren't too expensive

And take way lesser than pillars

[queen sail]

Crafting chunks takes like

Some stars and stardust

[faint needle]

Yeah

Stardust is easy and if you have mods like alchnpc lite stars are also easy

[jovial spire]

okie dokie

[ruby cobalt]

and you can craft stars out of stardust

[queen sail]

You can also set the price of stars in alchnpc

Into something like 1 copper

[faint needle]

Free

[ashen warren]

they give you money

[hollow saffron]

Make the %gun firecap only activate if you hit an enemy

Reason: It's annoying if you're using the hydra on a boss and you miss, only to be unable to fire it again. If the guns worked so that you can only damage an enemy with the gun x amount of times instead, it would be a bit less annoying.

[fervent zealot]

haha but no

you've got one shot so you should try to not miss with it

[fresh harbor]

Plus you could stack a bunch of %gun shots on top of eachother along a big railway and then one-shot the boss

Mappy 1 tick kills time

[civic pond]

[opaque grail]

also terraria weapons arent hitscan so thats difficult

[hollow shell]

In about 5-10 minutes I'm going to post a poll along with an explanatory message
on whether or not specific item suggestions should be disallowed

s'a bit of a big thing so I figured I'd give a moment of forewarning

[civic pond]

specific item suggestions doesn't include buffing or changing certain weapons in game already right..?

[hollow shell]

Yes, it only refers to new items

[civic pond]

ok thanks.

[hollow shell]

Suggestions for adding new items (such as weapons, armors, or accessories) to the mod, with specific descriptions of their name, functionality, appearance, recipe, etc, constitute a significant portion of all suggestions posted. Many of them have reached the star requirement and have been sent to the dev server.
However, these specific item suggestions have a notoriously low implementation rate, with less than a dozen being put into the mod in the years of #suggestions-voting's history.

As such, it has been proposed that these types of suggestions be disallowed from now on, to give more exposure to suggestions that have a greater chance of being implemented (suggestions for specific items can potentially be very long due to their extensive exact descriptions of function, "burying" other suggestions).
Note that, if put into place, this new restriction would only apply to specific suggestions. More general suggestions about adding an item for a certain reason, such as fleshing out a tier, will still be allowed.

Some users have countered this proposition by saying that specific item suggestions are a good creative outlet, in part due to the ability to make sprites for the item, and that more stringent quality rules should be put in place instead.

A poll has been created for you to vote on whether or not you think specific new item suggestions should no longer be allowed in the #suggestions-voting channel.
https://www.strawpoll.me/18390765

@lost agate Can you pin?

(or @unique vector)

[hollow shell]

Thank you.

[unique vector]

no prob

should this go on announcements as well?

[sand umbra]

mfw my answer/potential solution to this is more complicated than "no" but there isn't really a "third option" so I picked no.

[plucky prairie]

that sounds like a good idea to me

[civic pond]

the wording was confusing

but i voted no..?

[unique vector]

well if you have other options you can always bring them up

how is the wording confusing

[hollow shell]

I guess cuz it's a double negative

[civic pond]

yeah thats why

[hollow shell]

The "Yes" means get rid of them
the "No" means keep them

[unique vector]

it was fine when i read it

[civic pond]

Anyways i voted yes

on disallowing i guess

[unique vector]

think of it as a yes/no response to banning specific item suggestions

[plucky prairie]

imo there should be an option saying that specific item suggestions should be allowed but with more restrictions

[unique vector]

that way its less confusing

nah

[hollow shell]

The yes/no is purely on whether or not they should be outright disallowed
If you have another idea for how it should be handled without getting rid of them, hit "No"

[sand umbra]

^

[civic pond]

👍

[plucky prairie]

ah

that makes sense

[unique vector]

the idea to “make specific suggestions more strict” gets complicated, having people that need to manually check each suggestion, and then theres the whole issue with debate on what decides a proper suggestion

[civic pond]

a lot of specific weapon suggestions that go into #suggestions-voting i notice never get posted here and discussed first

[unique vector]

that too

[civic pond]

they tend to be something that pops into someones head and they post it right away

which shouldn't be the case..

[unique vector]

people just go “i got a great idea”, make a super long description and then send it

[civic pond]

basically.

[plucky prairie]

perhaps it could be made that specific weapon suggestions must be discussed before being posted?

[civic pond]

my idea was to have suggs locked to people who dont discuss here first

[unique vector]

people will still not follow that

[civic pond]

but that may have downsides that i didn't think of

[unique vector]

you hardly have people following the current rules

[sand umbra]

What are rules iirc.

[civic pond]

funni.

[sand umbra]

This has been my bad joke of the day, back to writing up my newest senior thesis I go-- /s

[civic pond]

well the polls so far say "No more specific item suggs"

[hollow shell]

Not too many votes yet though

[civic pond]

and so we wait.

[hollow shell]

I'll give it a full day before evaluating.

[unique vector]

sors

[civic pond]

ok.

also uh should you lock suggestions for now..?

[unique vector]

you think i should ask to have this posted in #mod-announcements too?

[civic pond]

oh oop

[plucky prairie]

yea

[civic pond]

thats a better idea

[hollow shell]

How much of the general Calamity server population uses the suggestion channels?

[hollow saffron]

yes

[hollow shell]

I wouldn't know

[unique vector]

eh thats a good point

[hollow shell]

If they do use them, they'll see the post in these channels.

[unique vector]

then again most of the people here are only to get update news

[spiral olive]

rover you might want to pin this in #suggestions-voting too just incase people only look in there and not in discussions

[unique vector]

it is pinned there

[spiral olive]

nevermind im a dumbass

[unique vector]

[spiral olive]

i did the thing that i said

nice

[hollow shell]

lol

[civic pond]

what if the poll gets drowned

[hollow saffron]

pins

[sand umbra]

Alright, finished writing up my thoughts, thesis paper inbound--

[hollow shell]

It's pinned so
it's at least more see-able than a common suggestion

[civic pond]

who actually checks pins

[hollow saffron]

me

[hollow shell]

Ideally everybody

[civic pond]

ideally

[hollow shell]

Practically maybe less than half 😔

[civic pond]

well i'll settle for that

[sand umbra]

Allow me to ramble a bit on this.

Problem: I'm not going to argue that specific item suggestions don't usually suck --- because the truth of it is, they more often do than don't. But I've seen more than a few very creative specific item suggestions within our very own suggestions channel (e.g. some RIVs previously suggested, a few later-game or earlier-game weapons, other stuff). Hell, I've put a few suggestions of this type in #suggestions-voting previously myself (namely, The Twins and the Sunlight Streamline). People like to use suggestions as a way to think of what could be --- weapons/equipables that could very well help the mod become even better than it already is. Yet "specific item suggestions" generally are grouped into a singular blanket idea and then looked down upon because of how much some bad apples are ruining the whole bunch. A solution is necessary, but frankly, a simple "yes" or "no" might not quite cut it because of how complex the issue is.

Solution: I think the solution could potentially involve creating a separate channel for these sorts of suggestions --- a spot for people to express this brand of creativity while not cluttering up the current suggestions channel with their epic waifu-sama senpai OC weapons. Specifically, I think a separation into #general-suggestions and #item-suggestions could potentially solve the issue we're facing.

❔: As it stands, specific item suggestions clutter up the main suggestions channel entirely too much. With this separation, people will have the opportunity to view item suggestions and balancing/general suggestions individually, so as to more conveniently see suggestions that may be more immediately pertinent to development. People will still have the creative outlet of specific items, too --- just without burying any potentially-important suggestions e.g. balancing.

...that's all. I figured I'd give my two cents on the matter.

[civic pond]

I mean specific item suggestions make up a large(ish) chunk of most suggs i see

[hollow shell]

The problem isn't that specific item suggestions are low quality
There are some really creative ideas indeed

The problem is that they're never implemented, even if they're good

[civic pond]

well that settles that

[sand umbra]

Oh I'm aware of this too, the new channel can have a disclaimer telling you they're unlikely to ever be implemented.

[hollow shell]

A separate channel could work, yes

twas proposed yesterday as well

[civic pond]

2 channels isn't that many is it..?

[hollow shell]

well 3 if you include this one

[civic pond]

who am i kidding

specific item suggestions are never discussed here first anyways

[hollow saffron]

^

[civic pond]

[sand umbra]

hueh

[civic pond]

"Hey i just thought of a cool idea! i'll post it here with no second thought at all!"

[sand umbra]

Specific item suggestions are like never spoken about here.

[civic pond]

i notice they come from usually new members too

or maybe im misinformed

shrug

[hollow shell]

There are a good chunk of item suggestion regulars

like Providab, and Trashbox
and, in the past, Drones

among many others

[tired haven]

[sand umbra]

I do it sometimes myself if I notice a particularly lacking area of whatever--

[rapid pivot]

hm, I'm gonna guess people have suggested suggestions about adding lines to the Guide?

[civic pond]

i did once

[hollow shell]

Amidias is basically the Calamity Guide

The dialogue that Calamity does add to the Guide is mostly flavor

[civic pond]

not the guide thing

ech

[rapid pivot]

ah.

[gloomy hazel]

the first suggestion I had done was a magic gun which was rather complex, some kind of Tesla Rifle. Even new members can have some bright ideas.

[sand umbra]

Amidias is the Guide but you don't sacrifice him to the eldritch gods to progress.

[hollow saffron]

^

we should do that

[civic pond]

He also gives a cool buff

[sand umbra]

That too.

[civic pond]

and doesn't open doors during a blood moon

[sand umbra]

Amidias is actually fuckin' helpful.

[gloomy hazel]

what about Permafrost then?

[hollow saffron]

petition to replace the guide with amidias

permafrost is too cool to help you

[gloomy hazel]

cough cough

[hollow saffron]

what a chilly response to my pun

[civic pond]

at this rate specific item suggs are dead

[hollow saffron]

yes

[civic pond]

[hollow shell]

It's only been 20 minutes

[civic pond]

well im gonna go and wait

because im an impatient doodoohead

[hollow shell]

Still got 23 hours and 40 minutes left :P

[civic pond]

that too

👍

[gloomy hazel]

But who will check the pins to then vote?

[civic pond]

implying it gets drowned

[hollow shell]

Most of the votes will probably come in the first 1/4ish of the poll existing

[sand umbra]

I just hope my suggestion is taken into consideration tbh--

[hollow shell]

but
still
I wanna give it time

[civic pond]

i was gonna say lock the channel for a day but..

[hollow shell]

Hmm

[sand umbra]

Basically on one hand I like specific item suggestions, because quite a few are extremely creative
but on the other hand a lot of them are pretty and tend to clutter up the channel over balancing/QoL suggestions.

[civic pond]

realistically most people dont check pins.

[gloomy hazel]

I support Thomas' idea btw, I've seen a big increase in item suggestions these last days and very few in gameplay and others.

[civic pond]

And now we wait.

ok im gonna go attempt lunatic cultist again

[sand umbra]

Back to ironing out ||Titania and her drops|| and working on other random stuff I go--

[civic pond]

||serpens ||

[gloomy hazel]

And technically, the weapons/armors/tools/accessories/etc... that are in the mod must have been suggested inside the dev team at least once, even if they were not suggested by the community.
Why aren't the suggestions of the community accepted then, even the most creative ones?

Suggestions in general I mean

[opal barn]

Because most of the time they are suggested in place where they aren't needed/there are already plans for

[gloomy hazel]

You're talking about the blue checks and the lore, kind of.

The dev team can still inspire itself from the suggestions after all

[hollow shell]

There's a lot of suggestions for rogue weapons and pretty much none of them will be accepted because there's already extensive plans for rogue item additions which are being worked on right now

for example.

[gloomy hazel]

Ok, so we know the Rogue class is gonna be expanded, which you mean rogue suggestions are "futile", right?

[hollow shell]

Pretty much.
Most people suggest stuff for rogue because it's a lacking class currently and they have an idea for how to expand it
but it's already getting expanded, a lot. To the devs, the suggestion's reasoning doesn't apply

[gloomy hazel]

question then, are there other things planned than an expansion for the rogue class?

if yes, you might ask for a whole list to show to the community, if possible.

[hollow shell]

Well that'd be spoilers

[gloomy hazel]

then make it crypted

[hollow shell]

Dev team likes to surprise people
doesn't like leaks

[gloomy hazel]

the rock, it's a leak about Xeroc as a future boss. Draedon's Remote, it's a leak about Draedon as a future boss. Those are examples, but they're in-game

so?

why leak info if the team doesn't like to do so?

[sand umbra]

The eventual existence of these fights has been mentioned by the team.

But not the in-depth details of these fights.

Which is probably what they wanna keep secret.

The same can extend to weapons/armors--

[gloomy hazel]

BUT, these are still planned features

[sand umbra]

Yes, planned features.

Doesn't mean you gotta do like I do and spoil every bit of 'em early.

[gloomy hazel]

When I was asking if Sors could do a list of planned features, I meant a text file, not images or sprites or whatever, just text.

I wasn't asking for details either

[plucky matrix]

tfw you accidentally vote "yes allow them" because you didn't read the whole thing and thought the question was "should they be allowed"

[hollow shell]

smh imagine not being able to read

[plucky matrix]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[queen sail]

Dedede gang rise up

[civic pond]

[signal prairie]

I'm going to be honest, I don't like the idea of restricting the suggestions even further than they already are. There is already an entire set of rules and "do/don't" that exist and plays a major part in 75% of suggestions. If someone has a weapon that is fleshed out and would be a great help to a tier for a class that's lacking in weapons, they should be heard and given a chance. My personal opinion, doing this would destroy the #suggestions-voting channel. No more well thought out suggestions that would help, it would evolve into low effort suggestions that don't even make sense for it to be in the mod. If anything, the suggestions team should crack down on the low effort suggestions. However, this is my opinion in a sea of people who are already set to destroy the channel so why even try.

[queen sail]

That’s if people even read the do’s/don’ts

[west prairie]

IMO it would pretty much kill the channel

[hollow shell]

There are other suggestions that can be posted than specific items, yknow

[civic pond]

Half the channel at least

[hollow shell]

A majority of suggestions are for changes, not new content

Not much of a majority but more than 50% definitely

[gloomy hazel]

gameplay, world generation, NPCs, etc...those aren't item suggestions at least

[sinful violet]

It would kill the channel because all the channel is right now is super specific weapons that people want to be in game rather than actually helpful things that would noticeably benefit the entire community.

[gloomy hazel]

reworks as well

[civic pond]

"add my cool weapon pls"

[queen sail]

Bike flashbacks

[civic pond]

[signal prairie]

I just realized that I started an entire debate

[west prairie]

#suggest-a-number-go-down-or-up-or-activate-differently-or-make-an-accessory-work-slightly-better doesnt have the same ring to it

[hollow shell]

Nah it was already a debate

[civic pond]

this subject is pretty controversial

i think

[hollow shell]

I could easily make a counter to that BlackHand and I'm sure you can too

[civic pond]

rename channel to #read_motherfucking_pins

[sand umbra]

Add my epic uwu-senpai-sama-chan OC weapon of Auric Shadow Ore Soul Fragment tier with a left-click, a right-click, a middle-click, a right face button, a C-Sharp note, and a function involving rubbing your index finger on the trackpad of your laptop in the shape of a dodecahedron.

[civic pond]

[sinful violet]

It's been a debate for days fran, don't inflate your influence that much and distract from the topic

[west prairie]

it's either "i want this tweaked" or "I want an enemy ingame despite fabsol hating coding AIs" or "hey add something to this tier, I'm telling you this despite this already probably being planned"

[gloomy hazel]

@sand umbra

[livid coral]

idk the bike suggstion was great

[hollow shell]

should we ban enemy suggestions too?

[queen sail]

I can guarantee that a channel could be named #please-read-the-damn-pins and there would be people that don’t

[west prairie]

enemy suggestions are effectively dead already

[livid coral]

We don't get a lot of enemy suggestions

[west prairie]

not that they would ever get in if suggested

[fervent zealot]

enemy suggestions are rare and usually well thought out enough to stand a chance

[west prairie]

again, fabsol famously hates AI coding

[signal prairie]

i can see and agree with banning enemy suggestions

[livid coral]

I thought it was just summon AI

[civic pond]

i dont think i've ever seen an enemy suggestion actually

[west prairie]

and adding in an enemy using existing AIs is just...

[fervent zealot]

it is summon ai afaik

[livid coral]

Great Sand Shark was a suggestion

[west prairie]

how many others can you name

[queen sail]

Who even fights GSS

[sand umbra]

I'm pretty sure it's just summon AI being fucking stupid to code. o3o

[fervent zealot]

how many weapon suggestions have actually gotten in

[queen sail]

Not much tbh

[civic pond]

very very few

[queen sail]

Probably less than 5 at most

[fervent zealot]

and how many suggestions in this channel are weapon suggestions?

[queen sail]

Not too often but they’re there

[hollow shell]

like 10 to 15% maybe

[queen sail]

There’s literally one a few posts up

[hollow shell]

maybe 20% on certain days

[gloomy hazel]

I remember there was some QoL suggestions that got added into the mod, like fallen stars being craftable with stardust

[civic pond]

QoL are the most likely to be added

[gloomy hazel]

Huh, interresting

[sinful violet]

To put it simply, and actually prioritizing the development of the mod, Devs have a lot of better stuff to focus on than weapon suggestions. The suggestions channel which we have on the dev server, is pretty clogged, even with the system we have in place. To cut down on that and make the system more efficient so we get changes that matter, we're stopping super specific item suggestions. All there is to it.

[west prairie]

I don't have a problem with item stats being banned because nobody knows balance anyways until the item is actually coded and tested

[sinful violet]

Letting people come up with ideas is fun and all, but it won't help what the suggestions channel is most useful for.

[west prairie]

but banning even so much as an idea of what the weapon would do is just stomping on throats here

[livid coral]

I'm also the asshole who entirely ignores sword suggestions so

[civic pond]

we dont need anymore swords

[sinful violet]

All there is to it blackhand.

[civic pond]

if anything the swords need more fleshing out

[livid coral]

We didn't say items being banned outright, just super specific ones

[fervent zealot]

it's not stomping on throats, it's trimming the garden so that a few flowers may bloom rather than all dying

[sinful violet]

An idea is an idea, but the programmers and spriter's time is much more valuable to them and to the mod.

[gloomy hazel]

I've been doing mount suggestions a couple of times, none got the green check

[livid coral]

If someone wants a rogue weapon that looks like the crescent attack from Mega Man X6 then way that's general enough

[queen sail]

Somebody literally suggested an Emerald Splash wep so

[hollow shell]

Several times

[signal prairie]

Instead of heavily cutting hightier, well thought-out, high effort suggestions, why not get a team of people together to enforce the suggestion rules and regulations. There is already a fair amount of people who do this who are server staff or just regular people.

[gloomy hazel]

Y-yeah...

[hollow shell]

not the same person, s'just
jojo references are relatively popular suggestions

[sinful violet]

Because then we can save their time fran.

[civic pond]

jojo references.

[sinful violet]

Because none of those get in.

[civic pond]

ech

[livid coral]

We already have A jojo reference.

[civic pond]

one is enough

[sand umbra]

Stellar Knife's enough, iirc--

[sinful violet]

The more thought and and high effort they are, the more effort it takes.

[fervent zealot]

honestly can jojo suggestions just get nuked

[livid coral]

Pretty much

[west prairie]

but "profaned spear that drops from the guardians which fires a projectile that leaves a trail of fireballs" wouldnt be allowed?

for example

[livid coral]

I'd say that could be allowed. It's generalized enough

[queen sail]

Well if the guardians are going to get any drops anyways

[hollow shell]

Well the reason would inherently have to do with why you want a melee weapon there and maybe even why you want it to leave a trail

[sinful violet]

^

[hollow shell]

Why is the trail of fireballs important to be added?

[civic pond]

these kind of suggestions are never discussed here first ever

[queen sail]

North Pole upgrade maybe?

[civic pond]

not that i see..

[west prairie]

providence is large and mobile, and would likely run into a lot of them, making it a viable weapon for the upcoming fight

[sinful violet]

"Melee weapon to drop from profaned guardians, to buff the tier for melee weapons and provide incentive to kill the guardians first, before perhaps the sentinels."

Also a lot of things would take the place for "muh trail of fireballs"

[lost agate]

Im pretty sure provi wont run into a trail of fireballs

[queen sail]

Well she does fly all over the place

[hollow shell]

That's a decent reason

[lost agate]

Unless you dont hit with the actual projectile

[hollow shell]

I'd accept that

[queen sail]

Something like the north pole maybe?

[west prairie]

that was what i had in mind actually

i figured "just reuse that code but floating fireballs instead of falling snowflakes

efficient use of dev time

[livid coral]

But any specific: Freddy Krueger's Knife of Death with specific damage calcs and crafting tree and details on what it does and where it goes probably won't be allowed

[civic pond]

tbh spear of paleolith sounds like a better component in that kind of weapon

[west prairie]

specific damage numbers and stats and shit i agree should go back into the pit of hell they crawled from

[fervent zealot]

it doesn't even change that much because specific details have been discouraged for a long ass time

[queen sail]

Like I said

Some of this requires reading the pins

Though some people just don’t do that

[west prairie]

crafting? ehh, as long as the recipe makes actual sense, but if it makes sense, then the devs wouldnt even need to be told, it would just naturally be something theyd come up with

[fervent zealot]

but hey suggestions seems to like sticking to horrible things that make no sense, like :why: before it got nuked

[civic pond]

Generally most people dont read pins.

[west prairie]

details on where it drops and goes? tier is very important, like possibly the most important thing. in the right tier? it fills a major progression gap

[fervent zealot]

tier isn't a detail, it's general info

[west prairie]

in the wrong place? it's just "oh another fucking magic gun we have like five at this tier"

[sinful violet]

I think you guys are missing a little bit of the point here.

This isn't to refine or generalize suggestions.

It's removing some.

We get enough, even after moving up the star count, what, five times?

None are considered, too many are seen.

[west prairie]

so suggestions like mine that are well thought out and considered would likely be unaffected?

[sinful violet]

Most are instantly rejected.

[west prairie]

or would even they run afoul of the rules

[fervent zealot]

i remember when star count was 35

[civic pond]

the main point is that most of these low quality specific item suggestions are just clogging everything?

[sinful violet]

Nope, specific items would be gone.

And yes bumble

[civic pond]

Ok.

[hollow shell]

Not even low quality

they can be good quality

[civic pond]

just specific item suggs in general

[signal prairie]

The way I see it, this is going to encourage low effort suggestions

[hollow shell]

but they won't get implemented anyway

[sinful violet]

^^^^

[civic pond]

So really we just don't NEED them

[sinful violet]

Again, this isn't to improve quality.

[queen delta]

How would it encourage low effort suggestions?

[sinful violet]

It's to remove them

[civic pond]

QoL suggestions and fleshing out our CURRENT ITEMS seems like a higher priority to me

[west prairie]

this just makes me think i should have harassed bad suggestors more tbh

if they hadnt stayed on the server I wouldnt have been harmed by their shit

[civic pond]

why did it take me so long to get this

[sinful violet]

Black, you're already pushing your luck with a lot of your statements.

[civic pond]

[gloomy hazel]

speaking of weapons, there are weapons types that aren't available right from the start. Guns, magic guns, launchers, spears, repeaters, darts, flails...you need to explore the world to get these weapons, you can't craft them with some woods and metals. I once suggested to allow the player to craft his own gun for the very beggining.

[sinful violet]

It's not their fault, it's as much yours, if you really, really want to blame people.

[west prairie]

this is going to make people point fingers mrrp

[sinful violet]

The specific weapon suggestions and items.

[civic pond]

Subclasses aren't important right now either

[gloomy hazel]

Uhg...

[sinful violet]

There's no reason to point fingers at all.

[hollow shell]

There's nobody specific to blame for it

[civic pond]

i wish they were

[hollow shell]

Many many people have posted specific items because they were totally allowed to

[civic pond]

but they aren't

[signal prairie]

Define specific

[west prairie]

people are going to be mad and start blaming this user or that user for the death of item suggestions regardless of if theres specific people to blame

[hollow shell]

It was accepted and systematized and etc

[signal prairie]

Like, give an example

[west prairie]

mob mentality does not care

[hollow shell]

But the devs didn't really care for them that much

[sinful violet]

That's what the mod team is for blackhand.

[hollow shell]

Franswal, not to pick on you because I'm not, it's just a good example
but your Helz Roller is a good example of a specific suggestion

[west prairie]

helz roller was bad and should not have been posted

[hollow shell]

Name, precise numbers, sprite, exact function, the works.

[civic pond]

SDOMG was

to be honest do we even need more items as of now anyways?

[sinful violet]

Blackhand

I've said it already

Watch the attitude and don't point fingers.

[hollow shell]

Try not to take it out on others

[civic pond]

you cant really blame a specific person in this situation

[west prairie]

frankly i feel that this decision will lead to the suggestions channel being reduced to one or two posts per day

[hollow shell]

I know you don't like how this is playing out cuz you made some great item posts

[sinful violet]

Good

That's our goal blackhand.

Thinning the suggestions.

[civic pond]

if you look at like the past 10 suggestions most of them aren't even new items

[queen delta]

Quality > quantity

[civic pond]

^

[queen delta]

If we get less but better suggestions, then so be it

[sinful violet]

And yeah, even so

[west prairie]

unless that quality is an item

[sinful violet]

Most have been QoL that will actually matter overall.

[fervent zealot]

items aren't high quality on the suggestions rung

[hollow shell]

yeah I dunno if it's a quality matter

[civic pond]

Shouldn't we focus on improving the items we already have?

[west prairie]

hey szavak have you maybe looked at some of my stuff

[hollow shell]

In fact it isn't for the most part

[fervent zealot]

yes, i have

it's not important to the mod

[sinful violet]

Blackhand, I'm just going to warn you now.

[livid coral]

You all fucking chill the fuck out

[sinful violet]

Lilac, not helping

[west prairie]

filling a content void for the guardians is not important

[sinful violet]

It's one person.

[hollow shell]

Nah it's pretty heated everywhere

I'd like if the debate cooled off a bit

[livid coral]

Yeah

[civic pond]

well this discussion became heated surprisingly fast

[fervent zealot]

i have the strong suspicon that there's already weapons planned for profaned guardians void, and even if it isn't, less specific the better

[livid coral]

And right now guardians isn't on the priority list on content atm. We're still working on Astrum Aureus

[west prairie]

guardians currently have no justification to exist

they are the paddiest padding to pad

[civic pond]

they look like a progression boss to me afaik

[gloomy hazel]

ok...this isn't okay

[west prairie]

maybe ever

[fervent zealot]

they're a progression boss but that's likely to change

[civic pond]

i would hope so

[queen sail]

So were the birbs before they got drops

[west prairie]

exactly, which I modeled my idea after

[queen sail]

The birbs only had the feathers when they were introduced

[fervent zealot]

but the change doesn't need to be "x weapon drops from specific guardian that has a certain amount of damage and has to behave in a certain complicated way"

[livid coral]

And right now we're all very stressed and working on the rogue update

[west prairie]

not all of us are 12 year olds with no game design knowledge

[queen sail]

Maybe they’ll get it but could you at least wait

[west prairie]

this proposed rule change treats us all as if we were

[sinful violet]

That doesn't matter blackhand.

I've already said this three times.

[hollow shell]

Once more I shall reiterate
The quality of the suggestion doesn't matter

The devs don't want to implement specific item suggestions

[sinful violet]

Anything which deviates from that point just doesn't matter.

[gloomy hazel]

the quality of the suggestion doesn't matter? Ow, that hurts me...

[hollow shell]

If your suggestion is god damn amazing and the devs take pointers or just outright implement what you suggest
then awesome
but that doesn't apply to almost all of the specific items posted

[gloomy hazel]

to hear that in fact, it demotivated me

[livid coral]

We're talking about weapons

[hollow shell]

I'm sorry, Dovah

[queen sail]

Tbf supreme mana potion was 0 effort that still got in

[west prairie]

yeah, this quality-agnostic approach is ignoring the community-input-driven nature that brought me into this mod community

in fact, runs counter to it

[livid coral]

Black Hand

[sinful violet]

Sorry dovah, but in this case, it's
Dev's time and efforts, mod development > personal feelings put into your suggestion.

[livid coral]

this is a 30,000 person server

[sinful violet]

And sorry blackhand, same to you.

[livid coral]

With a lot of people active in it

It gets overwhelming when we get a lot of suggestions to sift through

[sinful violet]

Not even overwhelming since no one bothers with them.

[hollow shell]

Around 2,000 suggestions have been delivered to the dev server thusfar

two thousand

[sinful violet]

You want a chance to contribute?

This is it.

Otherwise it'll continue being ignored because it's a waste of time.

[signal prairie]

I'mma pull a suggestion that I did a helluva long time ago, to help me understand the poll better. If I could get some input if this is acceptable or not would give me a better understanding

[sinful violet]

sure

[west prairie]

how many suggestions a day realistically -- how hard is it to look at a suggestion and say "this is pretty bad, YEET" and keep the good ones on there for possible later consideration

[sinful violet]

is it a specific item

a singular item

[west prairie]

a lot are immediately identifiable as such

[signal prairie]

Have Prism Shard be considered as a light source.

This one is a quality of life one really, but having this stupidly bright version of the soft glow that prism shards give kinda makes a Sunken Sea built house less... calming. Having a few prism shards in a house can keep that calming sense of the Sunken Sea while also acting as a light source for npcs to live in that house.

[hollow shell]

That's totally fine.

[sinful violet]

That one is fine yes

[fervent zealot]

it's not a specific item, it's a specific change

[sinful violet]

We already considered that and brought it up

[livid coral]

That's a fine one

[sinful violet]

It's a good suggestion.

[hollow shell]

It's not a new item and it doesn't have a name and etc etc etc

[civic pond]

Oh yeah a quick question to suggestions as of now

since the poll is in the channel

[sinful violet]

mhm

[civic pond]

should we wait to suggest currently..?

[sinful violet]

Yes

I might actually lock the channel

Rover how long do you want the poll up

[civic pond]

i stated earlier to lock it for 1 day

[fervent zealot]

maybe loc- yeah probably for the best

[signal prairie]

Might want to edit the post to include waiting to suggest

[hollow shell]

I was thinking a full day so everybody has a chance to see it

[sinful violet]

alright

[civic pond]

inb4 poll gets drowned

[livid coral]

I do like that audio suggestion too

[sinful violet]

I'll lock it till then.

[hollow shell]

Okay.

[civic pond]

👍

[sinful violet]

there we go

[hollow shell]

(is it locked for people who aren't me?)

[civic pond]

its locked for me

[queen sail]

Yep

[hollow shell]

Cool

[faint needle]

what channel?

[civic pond]

well im glad that whole things over.

now all we do is wait

[signal prairie]

Wrong button

Meant to edit it

We need more Emotes for the server

[west prairie]

meaningful non-tweak community input is on death watch

[civic pond]

do we really though

[west prairie]

all i can do now is wait

[queen delta]

Just get nitro

[signal prairie]

No u

[civic pond]

yes i was able to afford one month

[faint needle]

i was able to get it twice

once for free and second for free

xd

[sinful violet]

Alright

On topic now please, and if there's nothing you can think of to discuss, you don't have to.

[civic pond]

ok

in that case

i had a suggestion from last week

Move Mourningstar to post polterghast. Crafted using 1 solar eruption, 3 Cores of calamity, and 2 ruinous souls.
The reason for this is because Mourningstars placement at the moment doesn't make much sense. Flail progression post ML is already bad, and moving it would improve it. And in revengance is pretty much outdone by cosmic discharge. Having be post polter would also make it a viable weapon for the devourer.

[faint needle]

on the 21th i think you posted it last time

[civic pond]

yeah i did

it got drowned by SDOMG

[faint needle]

maybe wait till 1st august

[civic pond]

i thought i had to wait a week

[signal prairie]

It would be nice to see my Prism Shard make it in so my Sunken Sea house will be completed calming

[sinful violet]

smh channels

[unique vector]

someone moved the channel

[civic pond]

👀

i saw that

[unique vector]

mrrp pp

[faint needle]

yeah

[gloomy hazel]

There's no point to suggest anything here anyway. If most are "ignored", then I'll never suggest ever again for this mod.

"The quality of the suggestion doesn't matter", I'll always remember this sentence.

[sinful violet]

im the one who fixed it 4head

[faint needle]

also how do yall remove walls for bases in sunken sea?

[sinful violet]

alright dovah

[gloomy hazel]

Yes, I'm done

[sinful violet]

You can craft walls

[civic pond]

👍

[faint needle]

i know

[sinful violet]

?

[faint needle]

im reffering how do you remove walls from the sunken sea to put safe ones for npcs

[sinful violet]

mm

[civic pond]

pretty sure you can just replace them with normal walls

uh

[terse sundial]

[sinful violet]

Hammer one and then just use the autoplace option.

[faint needle]

do you just dig with a hammer from the upper part of the sunken sea till the core?

[sinful violet]

Wrong channel, but yknow.

[west prairie]

Dovah is correct, this could very well be nothing but it could also backslide into a total end on community involvement

[terse sundial]

good job mrrp

[gloomy hazel]

I'm leaving this server, now that there's nothing to do in it.

[west prairie]

anyways

[sinful violet]

byee

[west prairie]

dovah even im like

thats a bit much

[gloomy hazel]

grumble...

whatever

I'm out

[signal prairie]

Lol rip

[hollow shell]

Okay

Goodbye Dovah

[faint needle]

tbh even in the no-no doc they said they dont want overcomplicated suggs

[hollow shell]

He suggested well

[signal prairie]

They least they could've done is do something to get banned

[civic pond]

[elder kestrel]

Reminder that this is still a poll and no changes are 100% gonna happen yet

it all depends

[sand umbra]

mfw this whole debacle got entirely too heated and did so entirely too quickly.

:|

[civic pond]

yes it did

[signal prairie]

[sinful violet]

Nah alphi, with the way they're reading into it, it might just be an executive decision at this point.

[queen delta]

You sure are laughing like you werent part of it, franswal

[faint needle]

well, complicated suggs were genuenly not allowed since the no sugg doc

[signal prairie]

I know I was part of it

[elder kestrel]

oi yata

dont

[civic pond]

I think i'll take my leave now.. i don't want to say anything else that could incriminate me

[faint needle]

since they are a pain to make iirc

[signal prairie]

I was the one to start it

[civic pond]

later 👋

[elder kestrel]

and I see mrrp

[hollow shell]

cya Bumble

[faint needle]

bye bumble

[west prairie]

yep, this is a case of:

mods: don't delete overcomplicated suggestions despite breaking rules and including stats
suggestions: get bloated
mods: surprisedpikachuface.jpg

its not that in its entirety

but it definitely contributed

[faint needle]

tbh its just a untold rule on this server that everything thats in the no sugg doc gets disrespected, but thats the aspect the gets the most disrespect from the community

[frosty vortex]

Honestly I think this change will be healthy for the channel in a bunch of ways. It will hopefully redirect people's creativity for weapons into more practical, interesting suggestions that would have a broader benefit for the mod than "cool weapon."

[faint needle]

yeah

[sinful violet]

Thank you, yes. And it cuts down on the stuff people have to dig through on the dev server.

[elder kestrel]

knock it off blackhand

[unique vector]

i don't delete any overcomplicated suggestions because i get worried over the possibility of someone just going batshit bc it basically tells them "your idea is crap", if you want to know why.

[sinful violet]

And yeah, blackhand, dev team and mod team are both busy and separate teams.

You're already warned, so keep it up and it's just a mute.

[faint needle]

i mean, how many things actually got into the mod over these years?

[unique vector]

added onto the fact that i dont have all the time in the world to make sure the suggestions channel is spiffy clean.

[frosty vortex]

It'll benefit everyone, from the devs to the people with actual suggestions that have a chance of being considered.

[faint needle]

tfw calamity becomes qol mod

[sinful violet]

90% sure the non balance and QoL changes added from suggestions can be counted on one hand.

[frosty vortex]

In some ways it already is with all the recipes it adds

[unique vector]

i get it, im not a huge fan of a blanket ban either, but its better than to let the channel get clogged to the point where its too much to handle.

[frosty vortex]

^

[queen sail]

I don’t even think the devs bother to look at specific item suggestions that get sent anyways

[faint needle]

sdomg format intesifies

[sinful violet]

we don't, yes

[queen sail]

@faint needle bruh i searched sdomg in #suggestions-voting and uh

[elder kestrel]

Frankly most specific item suggestions are well... pointless

[queen sail]

What the fuck is the formatting

[faint needle]

ikr

[queen sail]

Nobody:
SDOMG: <><><><><><><><>

[faint needle]

[jovial spire]

I mean my specific item did get added, but that was just lck tbh

[faint needle]

you forgot that rectangle around it

what item?

[jovial spire]

Chaos and Tranquility candles

[faint needle]

thats not too specific

tbh

[fervent zealot]

that's biggie qol

[queen delta]

And if you think about it, this mod is already one of the biggest mods on terraria, with a vast amount of items, bosses, etc. Item suggestions getting accepted shouldn’t be as easy as simple QoL suggestions. QoL are small, but go a long way, while item suggestions can be easily replaced by another item.

[sinful violet]

And yeah, they're going to widely effect the game for the better

[jovial spire]

yeah guess it does count as QoL

[queen sail]

@jovial spire Hold this candle to die instantly

[vocal grotto]

Ooh, a voting system for items in suggestions. This should be interesting

[queen sail]

[fervent zealot]

it's not an item for the sake of being an item, it's an item to more effectively spend all of your time

[queen sail]

Or be lonely forever

:cri:

[signal prairie]

I still want to know the Ark of the Cosmos resprite because it the weapon I love and it already looks sexy enough

[smoky wagon]

instead of spamming new weapon suggestions maybe make suggestions to rebalance worthless weapons

[hollow shell]

I think I would consider Chaos and Tranq more on the specific side, one of the few that have been implemented

[queen sail]

@signal prairie i’ll dm you

[jovial spire]

yeah basically, though its hot when combined with zerg and blood moons

[hollow shell]

Not nearly as specific as some others tho

[signal prairie]

Um ok

[unique vector]

i look at suggestions as much as i can. but if a suggestion is too long i don't bother. there's no reason to make a huge description because it'll be altered some way if it ever does get accepted anyway.

[faint needle]

yeah

also with this sugg will sprites be dissalowed?

[vocal grotto]

Yeah, I really don't like it when a wall of text appears in suggestions

[queen sail]

Aren’t sprites already discouraged

[faint needle]

they are but still accepted

[frosty vortex]

People tend to overestimate how much their individual suggestion matters and is analyzed by quite a bit.

[vocal grotto]

^

[hollow shell]

Considering this ban would only apply to item suggestions, I guess you could still post sprites alongside enemy or NPC suggestions

or some other
non-item content

[faint needle]

the only weapon suggestion that i would personally accept would be a exo crystalline which id just

[vocal grotto]

How will the ban be enforced though? Warns or just deleting the suggestion?

[faint needle]

maybe both?

[hollow shell]

Remove stars

Ping em

Maybe they'll delete

if not, we delete

[vocal grotto]

Alright, fair enough

[queen delta]

Why make em delete it themselves?

Wouldnt it be more meaningful to just go ahead and delete it, while pinging them about it?

[faint needle]

for pride

[hollow shell]

iunno, they might value their idea

wanna keep it for later or just save it like a hoarder

before deleting

[faint needle]

its like forcing someone to do something he doesnt like

[hollow shell]

I could relate to that :P

[faint needle]

in your inner you feel pride

[vocal grotto]

What about repeat offenders?

[faint needle]

wdym

[queen delta]

So basically give them the gun and make them kill their own suggestion? I like that idea c:

[vocal grotto]

Like, people who ignore the ban and make item suggs multiple times

[queen sail]

Uh

Warns?

[smoky wagon]

People who break suggestion rules repeatedly should be punished regardless

Doesnt matter which rule

[vocal grotto]

Agreed.

[faint needle]

basically yea, yata

at how many warns do you get the

[signal prairie]

2

[sinful violet]

You can't judge it objectively

That's why we have a mod team composed of people

The general thing is yes, two warns is a mute.

Two mutes is an extended mute.

Another mute is a ban.

But we decide when people are warned, when to excuse them.

[signal prairie]

Mod team composed of Bots?

[sinful violet]

So it's not that simple.

[vocal grotto]

Honestly sounds really generous imo

[sinful violet]

That's a thing yes fran.

And why we don't use it.

[queen sail]

Mrrp is a bot confirmed

[sinful violet]

sure

[signal prairie]

Can't say I've seen that

[queen sail]

Beep boop

[fervent zealot]

o shit mrrp is robot overlord

[sinful violet]

dyno has functions like it.

[ashen warren]

beep boop stay on topic

[elder kestrel]

This convo doesn't really belong here tbh

[signal prairie]

Ono what have I started

[sinful violet]

Nothing important.

[vocal grotto]

Yeah, let's move on from the robot jokes

[fervent zealot]

i hope the vote decides to yeet specific items so i can see the day when suggestions is fun to look at

[faint needle]

yea

[fervent zealot]

rn you can look at "a page of suggestions" but it's just one weapon suggestion

[signal prairie]

Wait, does Slime God drop Statigel Brick?

[sinful violet]

It might just be an executive decision seeing how much people decided to push back against it.

[smoky wagon]

I predict a massive surge in “buff x weapon” suggestions

[sinful violet]

And no, they don't

You can craft em though

[queen sail]

Buff Exoblade

Alright back on topic

[fervent zealot]

nah it's a vocal minority mrrp

[signal prairie]

New QoL idea has been made

[fervent zealot]

57 to yeet em, 25 to keep em

[queen sail]

Should auric furniture exist?

Actually nah wait we have silva

Then again if you wanna live like yharim...

[vocal grotto]

I don't see the point of furniture

it's a fuckton of sprites just for vanity

[queen sail]

QoL i suppose

[signal prairie]

It's for Builders

[unique vector]

furniture is a godsend

[teal ibex]

the point is obvious

people like building

[unique vector]

i dont want to live in a box thanks

[smoky wagon]

if people are willing to sprite furniture then add it

[queen sail]

Yeah but

[smoky wagon]

but it takes a ton of time to make

[queen sail]

Spriting furniture

It’s bad

[fervent zealot]

not all of us enjoy luiafk prison facilities

[vocal grotto]

I think there's more than enough to use

[teal ibex]

not wrong at all, but i wouldn't say it's lacking in value just because of a workload

[queen sail]

@fervent zealot well unless it’s putting the angler in one

[smoky wagon]

there are a huge amount of new potential furniture sets

[signal prairie]

Btw hec, gg on the Scal nohit

[smoky wagon]

astral and auric are probably the main ones which would make the most sense

[queen sail]

Astral is probably the one that makes the most sense

[smoky wagon]

tbh i though astral furniture was already a thing for awhile

[fervent zealot]

nah not even the angler deserves a luiafk box, he deserves a special hell house

[queen sail]

It’s an entire biome with a unique building material that...has no furniture yet

[vocal grotto]

I never said you had to restrict yourself when building. I just said that I disagree with the work needed to add new furniture, especially at that point of the game.

[queen sail]

Well for astral maybe not

But for auric yeah

[fervent zealot]

GIvE uS aStrAl MoNoLiTh FuRnItuRe suggestion #593

[civic pond]

[queen sail]

Unless you want to live like yharim

[fervent zealot]

furniture is good for variety

[smoky wagon]

who wouldn’t?

[queen sail]

Furniture is nice and all but then you have to consider what madman is willing to sprite furniture

[vocal grotto]

Also coding complex tiles can be annoying because redcode iirc

[fervent zealot]

exactly which is why the overdone furniture suggestions are bleugh

[smoky wagon]

Im sure there are some non-dev spriters who would willingly work on a furniture set if they knew it would be implemented

exploit the workers

[west prairie]

everyone starts spriting furniture, that gets banned too

[vocal grotto]

Sure, but most outsiders are not good spriters

[fervent zealot]

well yes because most people are going to make mixel infested hellscapes of furniture

[smoky wagon]

But there are enough good spriters for it to be a possiblity

[vocal grotto]

But how many are going to invest their time into furniture

I sure as hell wouldn't

[queen sail]

It’s the reason why we barely had furniture for a while

[smoky wagon]

Well i already saw a few furniture resprites in the art server

[queen sail]

There’s so much shit

[vocal grotto]

How much is a few?

[smoky wagon]

it was just an idea

[unique vector]

i don't fully get why sprite submissions in the art server are sometimes overlooked either but eh

[smoky wagon]

the thing is im sure more people would work on it if they had motivation

motivation like “if it is good it will be implemented”

[vocal grotto]

There's a missing variable

"if it's good and it's useful it'll be implemented"

[smoky wagon]

Is furniture hard to code

[vocal grotto]

It's annoying, yes, but the code already exists in other furniture tiles

[smoky wagon]

[opal barn]

It can be tricky and make some dumb results

[vocal grotto]

^

It's sprites I'm thinking of primarily

[unique vector]

upside down furniture

[sand umbra]

If I can't lay down in my Cosmilite bathtub while watching my Auric Ore television and scrubbing myself with profaned soap then I'm sorry but you've done something wrong--

[unique vector]

my favorite

[sand umbra]

[queen sail]

You mean australian furniture?

[opal barn]

Imagine beating yharon and spenind all auric ore on furniture

[queen sail]

[smoky wagon]

aquatic scourge trophy

[fervent zealot]

profaned soap sounds like a great way to cleanse yourself of your sins by being vaporized

[sand umbra]

Dude I would absolutely do that.

[tired haven]

Auric tesla toilet is actually decent concept for a buff station

[fervent zealot]

oh man i used all my auric ore time to suggest AURIC SLIME

[vocal grotto]

Legitimate question, who would use that stuff on furniture

[tired haven]

[unique vector]

new mechanic

[plucky matrix]

bruh

[vocal grotto]

I'm being serious, btw

[civic pond]

Auric toilet gives you a speed buff?

[queen sail]

@vocal grotto well tbf

[unique vector]

bathing with profaned soap allows you to get speed boosts

[queen sail]

Auric ore is p generous

[sand umbra]

...somewhat serious: I want Auric-tier furniture.

[fervent zealot]

auric bricks would actually be really, really nice

[smoky wagon]

Cactus toilet pokes your butt and gives you the “Panic!” buff

[sand umbra]

I don't entirely understand why.

But I do.

[queen delta]

And batheing with cosmilite soap gives you god slayer breath

[plucky prairie]

to flex your progress

[faint needle]

would you be able to beat bosses with that furniture?

[tired haven]

Because it's close to gold and gold is nice to observe

[queen sail]

Beat Yharim with an Auric Chair

[sand umbra]

Soap is now a buff potion. +3+

[queen sail]

[faint needle]

tbf id like a profaned soap as a weapon

[vocal grotto]

Well, good luck getting into the mod, I suppose
But with that, I guess it's best to agree to disagree

[tired haven]

Gel pack that looked like soap is already a consumable upgrade so

[plucky prairie]

gel loaf

[sand umbra]

...you have now put the strangest image in my head.

[civic pond]

the terrarian already drinks the hair dye given to them..

[sand umbra]

How does one actually. Use the Electrolyte Gel Pack.

[tired haven]

nom

[sand umbra]

Do they just eat it?

[faint needle]

eat it

[civic pond]

red lightning container

[tired haven]

yum

[vocal grotto]

Eat the container

[civic pond]

spicy though

[vocal grotto]

[fervent zealot]

the terrarian has an intestinal tract made of steel

[smoky wagon]

Its slime

[plucky prairie]

i mean, the player eats the potion bottle that comes with the potion

[fervent zealot]

they can literally eat anything

[tired haven]

Terrarian is just not a picky eater

[plucky prairie]

and the plate that comes with most foodstuffs

[civic pond]

it will eat anything and everything

[smoky wagon]

the terrarian eats an entire pumpkin pie in a single bite

[fervent zealot]

let's not forget gel is considered "tasty"

[smoky wagon]

think about that

[fervent zealot]

so are rotten chunks

[civic pond]

[void kelp]

the terrarian will eat anything that’s consumable

[civic pond]

oh yes

consumable throwing knives

[plucky matrix]

what even the fuck

[civic pond]

[fervent zealot]

so that's how the terrarian gets the velocity out of them