suggestions-discussion

[marble mirage]

back in the 1.2 days

[sand umbra]

(Furthermore, could the Head and Tail segments of worm bosses specifically not be made vulnerable to debuffs to prevent balancing issues?)

[opaque grail]

worms get shredded by flame debuff weapons

[smoky wagon]

Eater of worlds is pre hardmode and it splits

[civic pond]

[opaque grail]

If you can manage to ignite all segments, he's taking insane damage every second for essentially nothing

[sand umbra]

As I said.

[civic pond]

honestly i think metal enemies shouldn't be immune to flame debuffs lets say

[smoky wagon]

Elemental eruption vs DoG meta

[sand umbra]

Make the head and tail segments specifically vulnerable to specific debuffs, but not the other segments.

[smoky wagon]

Why is skeletron prime immune to shadowflame and cursed inferno

[sleek wadi]

The only bosses that have business being immune to DoTs are worms. Everything else should be vulnerable to all DoTs that don't affect movement.

[smoky wagon]

Dumb vanilla devs

his hands are not though

Wht

[civic pond]

[lost agate]

Heating up != To burning btw

[marble mirage]

because uh
make him harder i guess?

is it not immune to on fire?

[smoky wagon]

Deus and DoG for god slayer inferno, providence for holy flames

i think if bosses were immune to the debuffs they inflicted themselves it would make sense

[sand umbra]

^

[civic pond]

which is also what makes biome blade nigh useless

[smoky wagon]

sad

[lost agate]

It gets buffed smh

[sand umbra]

That's not the point smh--

The point is that the Biome Blade's entire shtick is nullified by the fact that its debuff in each biome is a debuff the biome-specific bosses of that area have immunity against.

[smoky wagon]

Biome blade line has good standalone dmg except for the first one

[sleek wadi]

Oh no, that boss taking 4 more DPS than usual is making it too easy, better slap an On Fire! immunity on it.

[civic pond]

that i see at least

oh god why is discord dying hElp

[signal prairie]

[smoky wagon]

Maybe biome blade’s debuffs could bypass certain immunities

[civic pond]

i wish

[sand umbra]

Now see there's a good idea.

[sleek wadi]

Or just not have the immunities there in the first place, they really don't make sense.

[lost agate]

For destroyers and some bosses the immunity is understandable

[smoky wagon]

but for some bosses immunities do make sense

[sleek wadi]

Except worms of course, those guys actually care about DoTs

[smoky wagon]

why would leviathan be affected by crush depth

[sand umbra]

For worm bosses I can get it. Pain to balance, blah blah.

[lost agate]

Frostburn is 16 dps, now multiply that by like 20 segments you may be hitting and hoh boy

[civic pond]

yeah but a DoT on every segment adds up

on fire vs destroyer

[sand umbra]

Then make only the head and tail segments vulnerable to debuffs, if possible.

Are the various segments not different enemies/entities internally?

[lost agate]

Theres way more body segments than head and tail

So it doesnt solve shit

[sand umbra]

I mean fair.

But then there's also e.g. God Slayer Inferno and Elemental Mix not working on Yharon or SCal despite both being incredibly common debuffs for post-DoG weapons to inflict.

[smoky wagon]

Elemental gauntlet is sad

except for events i guess

[civic pond]

events

ech

[smoky wagon]

buffed events are a thing

being able to freeze minibosses with exo freeze is really good

for pre-scal farming

[lost agate]

You could just suggest removing that immunity

No need to attack worms with it

[smoky wagon]

i think worms are fine as is

No need to overcomplicate it

[civic pond]

wtf

[sand umbra]

"hmmm yes today I will inflict 190 DoT per second on an enemy with 100+ times that amount of health"

[civic pond]

yharon immune to godslayer and holy inferno but not cursed flames

why is it always cursed flames

[marble mirage]

because they reduce damage reduction

by 20%

[sand umbra]

God Slayer Inferno and Holy Flames, two of the most common post-Provi/post-DoG debuffs inflicted by weapons? Those are bad, we better ban those.

Cursed Flames, a debuff that does pitiful DoT and is outclassed in DR reduction by Ichor anyway? That's fine, we'll let that slide.

[smoky wagon]

cursed flames affect things that ichor affect

so the two evil biomes are “balanced”

[civic pond]

except cursed flames is fucking useless throughout most of the game

[distant gyro]

Not really

[smoky wagon]

if you have a corruption world its the best you have

the problem is the DR lowering is overriden by ichor

[marble mirage]

gotta make the two biomes have their own damage reduction
even though everyone in their mother has mods that allow you to change cursed flames to ichor

[smoky wagon]

maybe ichor’s DR could be nerfed but it could stack with cursed inferno

[lavish cloak]

^

[marble mirage]

or maybe make the damage reduction the same

because both have their upsides

[distant gyro]

Provi and Polter's DR effects are additive if cursed flame + ichor is stacked iirc

[sand umbra]

Gotta have that Balance™.

[marble mirage]

one does DoT, the other decreases defense

[sand umbra]

Even though Ichor is straight-up superior to Cursed Inferno for every stage of the game.

[lavish cloak]

Maybe we could have Corruption/Crimson Enemies drop a new material that can be more powerful and balance out the problem between ichor and cursed flames?

[sleek wadi]

5% more DR reduction>25 DPS

[smoky wagon]

DoT is less useful than lowered defense

[marble mirage]

yeah

[sand umbra]

Cursed Inferno does a whopping 6 DoT/sec.

[marble mirage]

an idea i had is to maybe buff the DoT, just like the mod buffs the venom debuff

[sand umbra]

Yep, you heard me. Six.

[marble mirage]

isn't it weaker than frostburn?

[sand umbra]

Frostburn is stronger than that.

[civic pond]

another DoT debuff

[sand umbra]

Ichor meanwhile decreases enemy defense by 20 AND enemy DR by 25%.

[smoky wagon]

nerf ichor lol

[lost agate]

DR is from calamity

[marble mirage]

the cursed flame dot really should be buffed to like
50 per second or something to even come close to competing

[sand umbra]

I'm aware.

[lost agate]

And cursed flames also get lowering DR

[smoky wagon]

Cursed inferno lowers DR also

[sand umbra]

So let's see:

Corruption: Meaningless DoT + 20% DR reduction.
Crimson: Defense reduction for a flat damage increase + 25% DR reduction.

[smoky wagon]

but by 20%

[zealous ridge]

objectively cursed inferno is worse for weakening bosses

[sand umbra]

The balancing here's a little

[zealous ridge]

hm so are we suggesting CI be buffed?

[civic pond]

ichor can practically scale with you as you progress throughout the game

DoT stays the same for cursed

[lavish cloak]

Like,, maybe we can just make a new material and call it “Hade’s Breathe?” Have it be a stronger combination of both ichor and cursed flames that can be crafted by combining the world’s evil material and unholy essence? Therefor solving this balance issue for Post-ML

[lost agate]

Uh, 20 defense is always gonna be 20

[smoky wagon]

20 defense gets less useful the farther you progress

But its still more damage

[sand umbra]

It's still a flat damage increase regardless, and much more per hit than Cursed Inferno's DoT per second at that.

And the DR reduction difference still stands.

[zealous ridge]

damage reduction reduction

[lost agate]

Well suggest making it 30% or smth

Or nerf ichor

[frail mantle]

idea: apply Slowmode to #suggestions-voting to encourage not posting a lot of suggestions every day

[lost agate]

Uh i dont see why

[distant gyro]

Imagine if the spammers ruin the flow of a well-made suggestion though

[smoky wagon]

not the spammers!

[civic pond]

[distant gyro]

The slowmode wouldn't be beneficial in that case

[lost agate]

Low effort suggestion get shot down anyway

[civic pond]

i thought doms suggestion would have helped with this or something

[distant gyro]

If the slowmode's working the way I'm thinking of

[smoky wagon]

it wouldnt let you put multiple msgs in the channel if your sugg broke the character limit

[lost agate]

Slow mo of several hours?

[smoky wagon]

like one of mine did

[lost agate]

[frail mantle]

i suppose if your suggestion breaks the character limit you could put it in a doc

[smoky wagon]

ok but people dont ever open and read docs

[civic pond]

i swear some people are too lazy to click on the doc

[smoky wagon]

Its proven

[distant gyro]

That's how you contain them

[sand umbra]

One of my more recent suggestions actually broke the char limit and I didn't feel like spending 20 hours setting up a Google Doc for a suggestion I had come up with based on initial observation.

[civic pond]

i think later today or tomorrow i'll repost my sugg since it died at 82

[distant gyro]

But docs are like lole we won't read unless you have a good cover

[civic pond]

[smoky wagon]

20 hours?

[distant gyro]

[civic pond]

so essentially make the google doc into clickbait

[distant gyro]

yes

[civic pond]

yes big brain moment

[smoky wagon]

thats not healthy for the suggestion channel

literally clickbaiting

[civic pond]

ofc its not

[sand umbra]

CRAZY NEW SUGGESTION (REAL) (VERY NOT CLICKBAIT) (GONE WRONG) (GONE) (YOU WON'T BELIEVE IT) (CLICK HERE!) (2019)

[zealous ridge]

i dont think there is too much spam in suggestions in any case, all the low effort ones are taken off and taking away the ability to post multiple times, as mentioned, is a bit of a downside

[civic pond]

i dont think slowmode is the right way to go about this

[distant gyro]

I mean it depends; if you briefly explain the doc then it's a thing

[sand umbra]

I'll take my leave now, I had to make the meme--

[civic pond]

people are biased to star a sugg with a sprite

[distant gyro]

Yes

[civic pond]

people are also more inclined to not read the doc because lazy

[smoky wagon]

people wont even read suggs with a sprite before they star it

[distant gyro]

The better the sprite, the more bait-ey

[smoky wagon]

i feel like

[sand umbra]

So then if I provide a sprite in place of an actual explanation for my things, people will star it?

[smoky wagon]

yep

[civic pond]

i bet there are like 1-2 people that just star everything regardless

[zealous ridge]

theyres certainly a better chance

[sand umbra]

Remind me to exploit the everliving hell out of this later.

[distant gyro]

It is like scientifically proven by this point

[smoky wagon]

people dont understand game balance and design but they do understand a cool looking picture of a yoyo

[civic pond]

[sand umbra]

[civic pond]

high IQ

[lost agate]

A sprite wont ensure an aproval by devs tho

[sand umbra]

I'm joking, if you can't tell--

Which is why I think through my suggestions quite carefully.

And then watch as most of them never even hit the threshold.

[civic pond]

but it drastically improves chances of it getting sent in the first place

[sand umbra]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[smoky wagon]

Devs never approve anything so it wont matter

[civic pond]

[lost agate]

False

[smoky wagon]

[distant gyro]

What suggested weapons get an approval from the devs though

[lost agate]

Theres several approved suggestions

[civic pond]

[lost agate]

They just aint implemented yet

[smoky wagon]

whats the most recent suggestion that had a new item added to the game

[frail mantle]

iirc Sors said that no weapon suggestions have been added

[civic pond]

i forgot who said this but i really liked the idea of a single update that is made up of only approved suggs that aren't in yet

although its priority is probably lower than low

[smoky wagon]

i think that will happen eventually

just not scheduled yet

[zealous ridge]

i think that no wep suggestions being added is more of a symptom of the fact that weapon suggestions are a lot more specific and misinterpretable than something like asking for, just as an example, move an item to a different tier

[civic pond]

frankly i just dont think weapons are a big priority right now

or

new weapons that is

[zealous ridge]

that is true as well

[smoky wagon]

but the next update is rogue expansion

weapons are a priority

[civic pond]

besides rouge

[zealous ridge]

im sure the devs have plenty of their own ideas to implement already

[smoky wagon]

but the devs have their own plans

[civic pond]

im just saying

[lavish cloak]

Man I just want more fucking Rouge weapons dude.

[zealous ridge]

eventually tm

[civic pond]

i think current weapons should be a little more fleshed out before bringing in new ones for those classes

[smoky wagon]

they also have patreon weapons as well as working with draedon’s adittion into progression the update after that

[civic pond]

so we'll just wait then.

[smoky wagon]

a suggestion update would be after draedon at the earliest

[lost agate]

If we waited until all weapons are perfect before adding new ones then updates would take a crap ton of time

We just polish weapons as we go on

[smoky wagon]

calamity balancing is a long term project

there still are plenty of things to buff and nerf

[civic pond]

i understand

[lavish cloak]

Do you know how far along the rouge expansion and/or draedon addition update is?

[lost agate]

Rogue update is hella close

[smoky wagon]

Just harass the devs about flarefrost blade until its buffed

tbh

[lost agate]

Just this hotfix and after that rogue update

[civic pond]

I just wish more of those kinds of suggs got in

[zenith hazel]

and then draedon

[civic pond]

exomechs

[lost agate]

Draedon is on 1.4.3 but idk how long it will be until then

[zenith hazel]

Fab did say he was gonna likely be out this year so who knows

[smoky wagon]

Merk said he would look into flarefrost but he also said floodtide was a balanced weapon so i dont know how to feel

[civic pond]

flarefrost felt really weird for its tier

does it use hallowed bars i forget

[lost agate]

Whats the problem with floodtide?

[zealous ridge]

flarefrost is also really boring if im honest, just a small projectile, i would like something more interesting

[smoky wagon]

floodtide has 1/4 the dps of other stuff its tier

last time i checked

[civic pond]

no besides that i think catastrophe claymore outclasses it

if its on the same tier that is

[zealous ridge]

it needs hallowed bars so i believe so

[smoky wagon]

Flarefrost is just too weak for a hallowed bar weapon

[zealous ridge]

flarefrost i mean

[sand umbra]

Flarefrost uses Hallowed Bars, yes.

[civic pond]

yep, ok.

[sand umbra]

I couldn't tell you why if I tried, but it does.

[civic pond]

it needs buff

catastrophe is better period

[smoky wagon]

You need hallowed bars for the handle

duh

[civic pond]

[zealous ridge]

what would be a good buff of the weapon? total rehaul or stat changes?

[civic pond]

i'd say just a straight up damage buff

[smoky wagon]

flarefrost could maybe shoot more projectiles per swing

or just increase the dmg

or make it swing faster

[radiant meadow]

flarefrost is getting a buff next update

[civic pond]

well that settles that then.

[smoky wagon]

[zealous ridge]

[radiant meadow]

so no need to chase after it

[civic pond]

[smoky wagon]

I did it

ok now buff floodtide

[radiant meadow]

at least I think it got a buff anyways

[civic pond]

come again

[zealous ridge]

well in any case that's nice

[radiant meadow]

[smoky wagon]

Merk said he would look into it

maybe he actually came through

[radiant meadow]

he actually didn't, so I looked into it

[smoky wagon]

Well thanks for that

[radiant meadow]

also needed to test new mech stuff so hit 2 birds with one stone

[smoky wagon]

[civic pond]

👍

[smoky wagon]

maybe i should just change my name to “buff me” and make my pfp a underpowered weapon

lifehunt scythe anyone?

or maybe trinity

[civic pond]

trinity.

[zealous ridge]

does anyone remember the brimlash line

[civic pond]

kinda

[lavish cloak]

Yes

It’s pitiful

[civic pond]

[faint needle]

whats that

[smoky wagon]

brimlash buster is suppsoed to be decent

[civic pond]

it is decent.

just more like

"underused"

[smoky wagon]

the problem is the projectiles splitting automatically if you shoot it in a certain direction

Which is a useless feature

[marble mirage]

i feel like the oracle could be better

[civic pond]

I think i might resuggest now

seems like a good time

[smoky wagon]

oracle is getting nerfed for being to good

[civic pond]

[smoky wagon]

lol

[civic pond]

:pensi:

[marble mirage]

sad!

[smoky wagon]

oracle+yoyo bag is a destructive force

[faint needle]

triple damage sounds pretty good

[civic pond]

yoyo bag is broken already

[smoky wagon]

devs are good at not overnerfing items

Im sure it will still be viable

Maybe just not DQ bait for nohits

[faint needle]

yoyo only is viable since obliterator buff right?

[smoky wagon]

no it isnt

[faint needle]

oof

[frail mantle]

it's still ass hard at Prov

[smoky wagon]

Yoyo only is a forced meme anyway

[faint needle]

oh yeah

[sleek wadi]

You say that despite the fact that Holy Collidier has been nerfed so much it is a straight downgrade to Stellar Striker

[smoky wagon]

It shouldnt be a point of balance

[faint needle]

only terrarian right?

[frail mantle]

but after that i think it's pretty decent

yea

[faint needle]

good

[civic pond]

holy collider nerfed?

[smoky wagon]

Though underpowered yoyos could be buffed

[faint needle]

now im off to think of a elemental yoyo

well maybe not me xd

[radiant meadow]

trinity doesn't need a buff

[civic pond]

ok

[radiant meadow]

it was faster than abs zero against twins

[civic pond]

someone told me it was good for twins

[smoky wagon]

really

i dont see how it could be better

[civic pond]

yeah im ngl it kinda stank

[faint needle]

then is trinity viable for anything?

[smoky wagon]

Termi do you have a recording of it

[radiant meadow]

it's viable for the twins

[faint needle]

oh wow

[radiant meadow]

yes, although I think I have to dig it out of the recycling bin

[smoky wagon]

Im going to test it myself rn

[terse sundial]

trinity should get buffed slightly ye

[radiant meadow]

and it's with the reduced twins hp

trinity doesn't need a buff, Merk no

[terse sundial]

[zealous ridge]

looking at the wiki for epic weapons and i just remembered mirrorblade. i would love to see that thing have its mana cost removed and shoot a projectile reflecting wave

well if it isnt getting anything changed already

[terse sundial]

buff the one wep we've been sleeping on the entire time

[civic pond]

mirrorblade is already wack

[zealous ridge]

like good wack or bad wack

[radiant meadow]

if anything, abs zero needs a buff
it took about 30s longer than trinity and darklight

[civic pond]

neither

its just really wack

[terse sundial]

yeah

[zealous ridge]

[civic pond]

its pretty much a spell tome in the shape of a sword

[radiant meadow]

also, rainbow rod sucks but I think that's a given

[civic pond]

[faint needle]

are there any post sc accesories?

[terse sundial]

projectile could prob go for a 10% increase, maybe even 5% would be enough

[marble mirage]

nope

[faint needle]

im surprised

[marble mirage]

the only accessory post-sc that i think would maybe exist are wings

[faint needle]

nah

[sand umbra]

its pretty much a spell tome in the shape of a sword

[faint needle]

some OP accesories to go with the OP weps until other post sc bosses are added would be good

that sums up melee also

[sand umbra]

Yeah you can make this argument for a lot of post-ML melee weapons--

[civic pond]

yes but this one actually consumes mana

[sand umbra]

[faint needle]

[civic pond]

inb4 all projectiles consume mana

[sand umbra]

The Mirror Blade has embraced what melee truly is:

A class that wishes it could be mage.

[civic pond]

ok but to be fair

you cant hit anything with a book

and do serious damage

[zealous ridge]

yet it has a melee-based bonus to it

[faint needle]

"mom can we get mage" "no we have mage at home" "mage:"

[radiant meadow]

tome of infinite wisdom sucks

[sand umbra]

Melee wishes it could have the true freedom and creativity that can be unleashed with a mage's wide arsenal of weaponry and spells.

[placid girder]

I mean its just low iq tank mage

[civic pond]

tome of infinite irrelevancy

[faint needle]

thats why i hate melee and will never do it

[placid girder]

Now yoyos

Those are high iq

[sand umbra]

Yo-yos, flails, and true melee are high IQ.

[zealous ridge]

yoyo even steals its features from magic missile

[sand umbra]

[placid girder]

And spears

[faint needle]

i really wanna do a yoyo run after this rogue one

[sand umbra]

Don't.

[faint needle]

oof

[sand umbra]

Actually wait, please do.

[faint needle]

lol

[sand umbra]

I wanna see someone that isn't myself flunk horribly at Provi.

[zealous ridge]

spears are fun, would love to see more ghastly glaive-esque ones

[civic pond]

smh

[smoky wagon]

ok i tested stuff rq

[civic pond]

thomas never saw my sugg

[smoky wagon]

trinity avg dps was 450

[sand umbra]

sugg?

[smoky wagon]

absolute zero was 280

[sand umbra]

yo-yo sugg???

[smoky wagon]

darklight was 300\

[civic pond]

no it was flail

[faint needle]

oh wait is spears only viable

[sand umbra]

o

flel

[smoky wagon]

so trinity good?

[radiant meadow]

tbh yes

[civic pond]

oh doms other suggestion blew up more

oop

[faint needle]

wait

would spears+yoy only be viable?

yoyo*

[civic pond]

i mean

2 subclasses combined probably

[placid girder]

Trinity good?

Wait have the ore swords been good this whole time

[civic pond]

sure

[sand umbra]

Spears + yo-yos is absolutely viable. Where one lacks a viable option, the other picks up.

...I think.

[radiant meadow]

@vocal grotto 1. Mishi hasn't finished suggestionbot auto delivering stuff.
2. pretty sure it's been said before that there won't be notifying someone if they got rejected
3. most suggestions are ignored, rather than rejected/approved

[civic pond]

so wait

[faint needle]

if not then spear yoyo flail

[sand umbra]

most suggestions are ignored

[civic pond]

they just wait in the dev server?

[sand umbra]

:hueh:

[radiant meadow]

I mean it's true

[civic pond]

ech

[radiant meadow]

well, people look at them, but there's plans

suggestions are very low priority

[placid girder]

Didn't elemental lance get nerfed

[tired haven]

They just are forever trapped in quantum space

[sand umbra]

So then what's the point of posting suggestions lel--

[civic pond]

so not "rejected" but they just sit there

[radiant meadow]

I mean some do get in

[smoky wagon]

ok i just tested yoyos for twins

[civic pond]

and?

[smoky wagon]

red's throw was around 700dps, shimmerspark was 350

with yoyo bag

[civic pond]

[opal barn]

Yoyo's on Twins are fine

I tested them.

[smoky wagon]

ima try yinyo rq

[sand umbra]

Told you Red's and Valk are better--

[opal barn]

Yoyo's are good throught the whole game, except for provi, stop the bandwagon already

[faint needle]

damn 700 for early hm is pretty much

[smoky wagon]

i still dont know if its practical to stay that close to twins for that long

im playing in expert

[placid girder]

Is reds throw pre mech

[smoky wagon]

yes

[faint needle]

yeah afaik

every dev item is pre mech afaik

[frail mantle]

it's post-Hardmode Boss

[sand umbra]

Red's Throw and the Valkyrie Yoyo, alongside all the dev wings, are obtainable after defeating any Hardmode boss.

[faint needle]

including cryo?

[placid girder]

Oh does it work with calamity bosses too

[frail mantle]

so if you beat an Alt before a mech you can get Red's throw pre-Mech

[sand umbra]

Yes.

[faint needle]

oh nice

[vocal grotto]

1. I'd be more than willing to help with its code
2. Any reason why this is the case?
3. Maybe add a 1 week waiting period that states if your suggestion has been "ignored" if nothing has been decided on

[smoky wagon]

i removed shimmerspark from class setups

[opal barn]

[smoky wagon]

if someone wants to test red's throw further and then add it feel free

[opal barn]

I tested shimmerspark

Fab himself said it was fine

[terse sundial]

Shimmerspark was fine

[civic pond]

honestly it'd be nice to have some form of feedback for suggs

[faint needle]

are there any vanilla weps on calss setups?

[terse sundial]

yes

[sand umbra]

It's outclassed by two throws that are pre-Hardmode-boss though?

[smoky wagon]

shimmerspark stars missed most of the time and it limited your range

[terse sundial]

we do have a few vanilla weps on there

[placid girder]

Probably memebow

[sand umbra]

(The Hel-Fire and Amarok.)

[terse sundial]

nope

[smoky wagon]

it wasnt worth being that close

[opal barn]

Every yoyo limits your range

[terse sundial]

Memebow should not be on class setups

I refuse to allow it

[smoky wagon]

memebow is good though so it should?

[faint needle]

is there any amarok-helfire combo wep

[sand umbra]

I'll obliterate the memebow from there myself if I have to.

[smoky wagon]

leave it though

[zenith hazel]

frostflare yoyo

[vocal grotto]

I could erase it if I truly wanted to

[smoky wagon]

its viable so it should be there

dont vandilize the wiki over memes

[vocal grotto]

Make it Red Potion 2.0

[sand umbra]

Frostflare throw

One got suggested earlier today, go star it.

[civic pond]

[sand umbra]

Or don't, I honestly don't care too much.

[civic pond]

was that cryoflame or something

[faint needle]

oh really?

[civic pond]

i dont remember

[sand umbra]

Cryoflame, yes.

[civic pond]

yep ok

[smoky wagon]

is celestial claymore good for like anything

let me try it on skeleprime

[civic pond]

its a hardmode hyphae rod

[sand umbra]

Personally I have one other yo-yo I would be even remotely willing to push for main, and I probably won't try anything with it for a while.

[sleek wadi]

Celestial Claymore bodies Skele Prime

[opal barn]

@smoky wagon My time on rev twins with shimmer and a time set up by fab for testing

Shimmerspark is fine

[smoky wagon]

i already added it back

[faint needle]

how much is reds throw tho

would it be around 1:30 mins?

[smoky wagon]

should it have 3 yoyos if they are all good

[faint needle]

why not

[vocal grotto]

If my suggestion gets drowned out, I'l be

[opal barn]

This should be moved to #calamity-mod-talk now

[faint needle]

kinda

[terse sundial]

Dominic, the issue with your suggestion is that suggestion bot doesn't log stars yet

If that's sorted out, then yeah it could work

[faint needle]

i mean, he offered to code that

[terse sundial]

until then what is decided with suggestions will mostly stay private

[vocal grotto]

^

[terse sundial]

yeah

[faint needle]

also it could be a command done by devs because the last word is theirs, not the bots

[terse sundial]

I think Amber is trying to get it to work

[vocal grotto]

Yeah, some sort of channel which has a voting system for the devs to decide. After a while, the results are DM'd to the suggestor

[hollow shell]

Yeah she's working on redoing the whole system atm

[faint needle]

nice

[hollow shell]

automated deliveries

[terse sundial]

then we won't deliver them and fear certain suggestions nice

[signal prairie]

And I'm going to leave it at that

[vocal grotto]

Maybe also delete unpopular opinions too

[smoky wagon]

ok celestial claymore is bad

[vocal grotto]

Like, ones with <25 stars after 2 days

[faint needle]

nah

[smoky wagon]

gimmicky to use and dps wasnt very good

[terse sundial]

[smoky wagon]

unless someone says otherwise

[terse sundial]

some may be good ideas

[faint needle]

never played melee

never will play sword melee

[civic pond]

Honestly what i was hoping for was a better filter for suggestions

[faint needle]

wdym

[terse sundial]

it may happen soon

[civic pond]

because a lot of well thought out ones get drowned out

[vocal grotto]

I might work on a bot behind the scenes and present it to the higher ups in the future

We'll see

[civic pond]

hope it works out

[terse sundial]

It would be nice to have

[faint needle]

a filter that insta-deleted no-no suggestions would be good

[civic pond]

and also to have feedback on a suggestion instead of not knowing what happens to it

:V

[vocal grotto]

Well, unless I use NLP and other AI crap, that would be very hard

[terse sundial]

ive feared sending some of these suggestions that have gotten 90 + stars that are just ech suggestions

[vocal grotto]

Deleting bad suggestions, I mean

[terse sundial]

yeah

[civic pond]

also on a quick note

[faint needle]

maybe only really bad ones

[civic pond]

people are biased to star a sugg with a sprite

[vocal grotto]

Yeah

[terse sundial]

mhm

[smoky wagon]

i mean i think they should still be delievered

[faint needle]

cause on them theyre likely already so low that they cant ever become good

[civic pond]

and less likely to star a sugg with a doc

[vocal grotto]

Disable images tbh

[smoky wagon]

if they are that bad devs will just say no

and thats that

[vocal grotto]

99% of the sprites are meh at best

[civic pond]

also uh

[terse sundial]

i would be fine with removing non CD+ image perms from suggestions

[faint needle]

i mean, almost no weapon got to the mod from suggestions so yeah

[civic pond]

i think im gonna resuggest now

[terse sundial]

well, concepts help

[civic pond]

it kind drowned out by some giant ass format

[hollow shell]

Suggestion from when?

[terse sundial]

[vocal grotto]

I hate it when that happens

[civic pond]

taxevasion

[vocal grotto]

My suggestion of getting rid of bad suggestions got drowned

[civic pond]

actually it gained more stars since i last checked

[faint needle]

maybe make a experiemented spriter role and only those can submit images there

[civic pond]

ech

that sounds a little iffy

[smoky wagon]

sprites are fine when they aren't recolors or edits of existing sprites

like that ark of the cosmos one

[vocal grotto]

I disagree

Most of the time anyway

A lot of sprites are not very good, to be blunt

[smoky wagon]

i mean if you are that bitter over your sugg not getting starred because it didnt have a sprite then make a sprite

[civic pond]

i dont think banning them all together is the right way to go about this

[vocal grotto]

What do you propose?

[civic pond]

and thats another problem

idk

[faint needle]

i never made a weapon sugg

[civic pond]

[smoky wagon]

i dont see what the massive issue with sprites is

if they arent stolen

[civic pond]

because

[terse sundial]

It attracts stars

[civic pond]

they tend to be attention grabbers if nothing else

[faint needle]

does it really

[terse sundial]

people look at the sprite but not the concept

[civic pond]

yes

[vocal grotto]

Right

[civic pond]

the bias is clear

[smoky wagon]

alot of things attract stars though

[vocal grotto]

Like the counterweight thing

[terse sundial]

9/10 times the concept is low-key garbage

[vocal grotto]

Am I the 10%

[civic pond]

ngl i think providabs sprites are decent

[terse sundial]

it sucks but it happens

[civic pond]

ech

[frail mantle]

thank

[smoky wagon]

having actual formatting increases the amount of stars you get usually

[faint needle]

yeah

[smoky wagon]

should we ban that?

[civic pond]

also can we put that SDOMG formatting on the ban list

please for the love of god

[faint needle]

how was the formatting on that one?

[civic pond]

it ate up more than a page

[vocal grotto]

Yeah, when I'm serious, I tend to speak properly from a grammatical standpoint.

[sand umbra]

having actual formatting increases the amount of stars you get usually
should we ban that?

Well, there go all my suggestions.

[vocal grotto]

That way I'm taken more seriously.

[civic pond]

i like formatting thats compact and concise

[faint needle]

same

[vocal grotto]

I also always go by a default template for my suggestions.

[civic pond]

no the SDOMG formatting took it to a whole other level

[zenith hazel]

and then there's adir

[terse sundial]

I feel like it would be both good and bad if image perms went away from suggestions

Brav no

[civic pond]

[zenith hazel]

jokes jokes

[terse sundial]

dont bring up god smh

[zenith hazel]

but yeah, formatting is important

[frail mantle]

tbh i just hope that people think my suggestions are good even without the sprites

[civic pond]

ok but seriously

[zenith hazel]

the spriteless ones are good too

[civic pond]

https://gyazo.com/623d2432a463ca7f20d37684a2483c48

[zenith hazel]

like the arma disabling dodges

[civic pond]

what is that

[radiant meadow]

don't poke fun at adir smh

[terse sundial]

I'm not smh

[zenith hazel]

sorry, was joking

[vocal grotto]

Drowning material smhsmh

[sand umbra]

Real talk: despite my feelings/bitterness towards the way yo-yo accessories are balanced right now, I enjoy the Astral Counterweight idea--

[civic pond]

that kind of suggestion is just

[zenith hazel]

but point is, formatting matters

[vocal grotto]

^

[faint needle]

sdomg format trully was more than next level

[signal prairie]

Saying smh too much smh

[faint needle]

smh my head

[civic pond]

speaking of format

[vocal grotto]

OK, that's enough

[terse sundial]

yeah

[faint needle]

wait

when did :why: get removed?

[terse sundial]

I'd rather not rant about formatting and sprites

[civic pond]

people used it for the wrong reasons iirc

[terse sundial]

because of suggestions

[smoky wagon]

maybe sprites would have to be attached in like a google doc or imgur link or smth

[terse sundial]

it was turned from a disgust why to a why should this get added

[civic pond]

i like that idea

[smoky wagon]

so people would have to atleast click on smth

and not just see and star

[civic pond]

because all a sprite does is grab attention

[terse sundial]

no embed perms either

[faint needle]

yeah

[civic pond]

?

whats wrong with embeds

[smoky wagon]

nothing

[terse sundial]

if image perms go, embed will go also most likely

[zenith hazel]

sprites attract attention, ofc

but what if the suggestion was bad?

[smoky wagon]

why would they both go

they are very different

[civic pond]

yeah

[terse sundial]

because they go hand in hand usually

[vocal grotto]

I think it'd be best if sprites be requested by the bot via DM if you get to 90 stars and it would need a sprite.

[civic pond]

"usually"

[smoky wagon]

that makes no sense though

is embedding things an issue?

for quality of suggs?

[faint needle]

if the suggestion is bad but theres a sprite most people star

[civic pond]

Embeds would prevent sprite attention grabbing i think

[zenith hazel]

pretty much a lost cause then

[civic pond]

ech

[faint needle]

having to put it into a imgur thing would be better tbh

[signal prairie]

I could care less about the Cosmic Annilhilation getting stars, I'm just happy that people like the sprite since I spent a few hours making it

[smoky wagon]

if the sprite is very bad then it wont matter usually

but if its flashy it will make a big difference

[vocal grotto]

If it wan't against the rules, I'd like to experiment. Make a suggestion one day with a sprite, make the same one a week later without the sprite

See how it goes

[civic pond]

[smoky wagon]

people will recognize the same one

[faint needle]

cosmic annihil is pretty good imo

[zenith hazel]

alter it a bit

[vocal grotto]

Yeah

[civic pond]

just word it differently

[smoky wagon]

cosmic annihilation is a low effort edit of the current ark of the cosmos

[civic pond]

and see if they actually remember

[smoky wagon]

it looks good because the current AotC sprite is good

stuff like that shouldnt be allowed

[vocal grotto]

Yeah, handle and guard are a lot worse than the blade

Not very bad, per-say but worse

[faint needle]

wait i just realized

[civic pond]

you hold it by the blade

[faint needle]

how tf should you weild that sword

[vocal grotto]

Eh, nobody really gives a crap about fine logic

[smoky wagon]

the gaurd is the main change

[vocal grotto]

It's a mod to a video game

[civic pond]

anyways

[smoky wagon]

which is why it looks worse than the rest

[sand umbra]

Who gives a fuck about logic?

[zenith hazel]

it looks more like a lance than anything tbh

[vocal grotto]

^

[zenith hazel]

lance of the cosmos

[faint needle]

^

[sand umbra]

This is a game where swords rain literal hellfire from the sky.

[smoky wagon]

the terrarian uses all of their weapons with one hand anyway'

so who cares

[civic pond]

is it necessary to say something is a resuggestion from before?

[terse sundial]

melee is fine for SCal

we don't need anymore items

[smoky wagon]

melee for SCal is good

[faint needle]

isnt every class fine for scal?

[sand umbra]

We don't need more melee SCal options smh--

[civic pond]

more or less

[terse sundial]

you have 5 all really good options after next update*

[smoky wagon]

it has 5 things and next update the two which arent good will be buffed

[sand umbra]

Exoblade, AotC, Ataraxia, Dragon Pow, and the Oracle.

[zenith hazel]

continues using ark anyway

[sand umbra]

That's five, count 'em, five exo-melee options.

[terse sundial]

Ranged has 2 (3 maybe) choices

[sand umbra]

*Bowman

not Ranged.

[civic pond]

fuck dp im using cosmic

[sand umbra]

smh

[civic pond]

[smoky wagon]

rogue has one lol

[faint needle]

oof

[smoky wagon]

magic has two if you dont want to grind or are not extremely lucky

[faint needle]

we really need more rogue scal weapons

[smoky wagon]

and one of those is niche

[zenith hazel]

probably rogue expansion...?

[civic pond]

rogue expansion is coming soon anyways

[signal prairie]

I'm just proud of my sprite for that since it took a few hour to make

[terse sundial]

Summon has 3 combos, Rogue has 1, Mage has 4

[faint needle]

oh yeah

[smoky wagon]

i want an exo-throwing bomb

[faint needle]

eh

[civic pond]

exo piss

[faint needle]

i dont like physics

[zenith hazel]

good velocity would be nice

[vocal grotto]

Edited my thing a bit

[zenith hazel]

homing bombs

[smoky wagon]

or maybe a brackish flask upgrade that is jarate

not as an exo weapon

[faint needle]

[smoky wagon]

just somewhere

and it inflicts ichor

[vocal grotto]

References because references are a no-no

[civic pond]

so if you dont get a reply that just means it hasn't been reviewed yet?

[faint needle]

pre provi

that part also lacks weapons

[terse sundial]

hell, if you want to suggest ideas for rogue weps for auric tier, you're more then welcome too

[zenith hazel]

flasks already help rogue inflict ichor anyway

[smoky wagon]

ichor itself is a jarate reference pretty sure

maybe it could inflict marked

[civic pond]

ech

[terse sundial]

just don't turn it into a bandwagon

[zenith hazel]

marked post-ml 🤔

[civic pond]

mmm bandwagons

[smoky wagon]

make it pre-ml

[faint needle]

ichor is a reference to the greek gods blood

[civic pond]

yes

[smoky wagon]

there are too many similarities between ichor and jarate for there to be no inspiration at all

[vocal grotto]

It doesn't matter tbh

[civic pond]

wait wtf is jarate

[faint needle]

yeah

[sand umbra]

mood

[smoky wagon]

tf2 item, a yellow jar of piss that makes enemies take extra dmg when they are soaked in it

see the similarity?

[civic pond]

wow

[sand umbra]

Also I'd totally suggest an Auric-tier rogue weapon but I'm not sure what said weapon would be.

[civic pond]

no more scythes

[faint needle]

thats like saying greek mythology copied tf2

[smoky wagon]

exo dagger

[civic pond]

i wanna see a light disc upgrade line ngl

wait a second.

[zenith hazel]

an upgrade to stellar knife doesn't sound bad

[civic pond]

[sand umbra]

Don't worry it wouldn't be Celestus 2, we don't need another exo-rang--

[zenith hazel]

e-disks

[smoky wagon]

cosmic kunai+stellar knife+shattered sun

[faint needle]

golden shower might be a ref but ichor itself isnt

[civic pond]

how about something that doesn't make my fps drop

[zenith hazel]

honestly, stellar knife is really unique and deserves an upgrade

[faint needle]

oh yeah

something to end crystalline line for scal

[sand umbra]

Stellar Knife deserves an upgrade, I agree.

[smoky wagon]

btw celestus's crafting components make no sense and should be changed

it includes 0 scythes

but it is a scythe itself

[vocal grotto]

Assassin's Last Dagger, upgrade to the final Crystaline upgrade and Stellar Knife

[faint needle]

stellar+crystalline line would make a interesting combo

[smoky wagon]

molten amputator, valediction, ghoulish gouger should be in there

[vocal grotto]

I'm shit with weapon names lmao

[civic pond]

oh god please no

[sand umbra]

Terrarian's Last Knife--

[vocal grotto]

Oh

[civic pond]

wait wait

i know this one

[vocal grotto]

I knew that name sounded familiar in my head

[zenith hazel]

Knife Kamikaze

[faint needle]

knifemikaze

[zenith hazel]

Draconic Daggers

[civic pond]

that sounds hot

[signal prairie]

Devourer's Bane

[civic pond]

worm killer

[smoky wagon]

Reality Flayer

[vocal grotto]

The Piercer

[civic pond]

the piercer good iirc

[faint needle]

Iapetus

[zenith hazel]

Baneful Bayonet

[faint needle]

its basically the same as the piercer

[signal prairie]

The Piercer

[civic pond]

Scourge of the ark of the hammer of might

[zenith hazel]

Hellzone Grenade Daggers

[faint needle]

hellzone graggers

[civic pond]

gadders

[zenith hazel]

no

[vocal grotto]

Pierces infinitely and doesn't give a damn about what NPCs do

[civic pond]

Corona daggers

[sand umbra]

....

DRACONIAN DAGGERS

FUCK

[zenith hazel]

bro that's kinda wack

[sand umbra]

HOW HAVE I NOT THOUGHT OF THIS

[civic pond]

thomas are you ok

[vocal grotto]

No, DAY has finally killed him

[zenith hazel]

again, I take partial credit for another of Thomas's idea

[faint needle]

draconian sounds like something rev-exclusive

[civic pond]

ech

[zenith hazel]

Draconic Elixir isn't rev exclusive wha

[sand umbra]

No it sounds like a Yharon drop.

[terse sundial]

[civic pond]

"helly

fuck

here it comes

[signal prairie]

Draconic Destruction

[vocal grotto]

We're just being idiots. Ignore us, Merk

[terse sundial]

I can see that lol

[zenith hazel]

Draco Meteor Daggers

[civic pond]

[sand umbra]

Alright I gotta go think on this more.

/poof!

[zenith hazel]

Termi 👀

[vocal grotto]

I knew my lurker senses were tingling

[zenith hazel]

the pokemon references have attracted the wild garchomp

[radiant meadow]

actually I just popped by right now to ask what suggestion stuff you guys were discussing

[civic pond]

[radiant meadow]

[civic pond]

oh

[zenith hazel]

nvm

[vocal grotto]

I don't give a crap

[civic pond]

anyways i was gonna ask

[vocal grotto]

It's all lurking to me

[signal prairie]

We are being idiots

[terse sundial]

Late game rogue stuff it seems like

[faint needle]

i still think stellar knife+crystalline line would be pretty hot ngl

[zenith hazel]

stellar knife upgrade

[radiant meadow]

besides, if I was lurking, I wouldn't have typed

[vocal grotto]

[zenith hazel]

shattered sun doesn't make the "most" sense in the celestus recipe, according to some folks earlier

[vocal grotto]

^

[faint needle]

yeah it doesnt

thats why it should be its own endgame weapon

[void kelp]

what’re the other components in Celestus, again?

[faint needle]

not shattered sun, just a upgrade

[smoky wagon]

why is spear of paleolith in celestus recipe

[zenith hazel]

because yes

[civic pond]

[fervent zealot]

because spear is pretty epic iirc

[faint needle]

pwnage spear of paleo elemental disk and some other shit

[civic pond]

dont mind me but

!wiki celestus

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Celestus

Calamity Mod Wiki

Celestus

The Celestus is a craftable post-Moon Lord boomerang. It rapidly throws high velocity scythes which can pierce through infinite enemies and pass through tiles. Each time the thrown scythe strikes a target, it emits a dozen double-edged phantom blades outward from the point of impact. The phantom blades can also pierce infinite enemies and pass through tiles, but cannot create even more blades by themselves.
When Celestus or any of its phantom blades hit an enemy, they will inflict the following debuffs:

Exo Freeze (0.5 seconds)
Elemental Mix (2 seconds)
Cursed Inferno (2 seconds)
Frostburn (2 seconds)
On Fire! (2 seconds)
Ichor (2 seconds)Its best modifier is Unreal.

[vocal grotto]

Because logic can go yeet itself

[zenith hazel]

pwnage and e-disks make sense because boomerangs

the others? not necessarily

[civic pond]

god that crafting tree is strange

[smoky wagon]

it should be elemental disk, pwnagehammer, molten amputator, ghoulish gouger, valediction, executioner's blade

[faint needle]

what aboute executioners?

[civic pond]

molten amputator should be in there

[smoky wagon]

thats six weapons

[vocal grotto]

e-disks sounds like some weird virus you'd download off the dark web tbh

[zenith hazel]

bro no

[faint needle]

lol

[civic pond]

💾

[sand umbra]

ngl Shattered Sun being a Celestus component is pretty

[smoky wagon]

no it isnt

[civic pond]

[zenith hazel]

it shatters the recipe

[civic pond]

shattered sun isn't shaped like a scythe to me

[sand umbra]

Could probably give it a unique post-DoG or post-Yharon ending point--

[civic pond]

[faint needle]

just combine it with stellar

for psot yharon p2

[civic pond]

so uh

is it necessary to say something is a resuggestion before posting it

[faint needle]

not sure

[sand umbra]

brb reworking the Stellar Knife upgrade I made--

[faint needle]

but its better to say it

[civic pond]

fair enough

[faint needle]

noice

[civic pond]

my first sugg was drowned by sdomg

[smoky wagon]

cosmic kunai+shattered sun+stellar knife

[zenith hazel]

Dauntless Daggers

[civic pond]

[smoky wagon]

what about a heavenfallen stardisk upgrade

[civic pond]

that'd be cool

[zenith hazel]

Diabolic Daggers

[civic pond]

also for the stellar knife upgrade

[terse sundial]

Heavenfallen is kinda a one of a kind item

[zenith hazel]

Hellrisen Stardisk

[civic pond]

i was thinking of a more cosmic name

[smoky wagon]

heavenfallen stardisk but it homes

[terse sundial]

imo vampire knives shouldn't have an upgrade line but they do

[civic pond]

Sotc

[terse sundial]

dungeon chest weps should be a one of a kind wep

atleast imo

[civic pond]

naw im kinda glad they have upgrade lines

[zenith hazel]

then again, 4 out of 6 of them have upgrades

[civic pond]

frost hydra

[smoky wagon]

giving them upgrade lines makes them relevant

when otherwise they wouldnt be

except for barracuda gun

[zenith hazel]

vampire knives are "pretty" relevant, depends on the definition

[jagged halo]

scourge and rainbow hav upgrades

so a lot of em do

[terse sundial]

yeah

[civic pond]

frost

hydra

[faint needle]

never liked stardisk

[jagged halo]

i think lifesteal is dumb tho

[smoky wagon]

empyrean knives are hot

[terse sundial]

because it is

[smoky wagon]

i dont think a third upgrade is needed but its a dev weapon

[zenith hazel]

scourge of the sepulcher

[civic pond]

hot

[vocal grotto]

Delete

[faint needle]

wot

[civic pond]

I would die to have that in game

[smoky wagon]

scourge of the seas drop from AS

[civic pond]

[smoky wagon]

i feel like that will be a thing

next update

[faint needle]

scourge of the obliterator

[civic pond]

Honestly i really like Scourges attack style

great weap

[sand umbra]

Scourge of the Scourge--

[smoky wagon]

scourge of the cosmos is awesome

[civic pond]

[zenith hazel]

too bad infernal spear exists

[smoky wagon]

well i was melee

so i spammed the fuck out of it

[civic pond]

infernal spear

[signal prairie]

Scourge of the Scourge of the Scourge of the Scourge

[civic pond]

never heard of it

also do any of you remember this

[zenith hazel]

it's pretty much your best rogue option for yharon imo

[civic pond]

Move Mourningstar to post polterghast. Crafted using 1 solar eruption, 3 Cores of calamity, and 2 ruinous souls.
The reason for this is because Mourningstars placement at the moment doesn't make much sense. Flail progression post ML is already bad, and moving it would improve it. And in revengance is pretty much outdone by cosmic discharge. Having be post polter would also make it a viable weapon for the devourer.

[faint needle]

oh yeah flails exist

[civic pond]

literally just a flail move

mourning stars placement makes 0 fucking sense to me

[smoky wagon]

it was my idea originally so i still agree with it

[civic pond]

it died at 82

pensi

i thought about having mourningstar move a while ago but i never suggested it

[signal prairie]