suggestions-discussion

[civic pond]

[frail mantle]

also thank Thomas

[civic pond]

ffs

[plucky matrix]

yoyo only isn't supposed to be viable for every single point of progression, you're restricting yourself to a subclass, a very tiny subclass even

[ashen warren]

I’d say that yo-yo is probably the biggest/most significant subclass if you don’t consider bows a subclass of ranger.

[civic pond]

thats kinda why yoyos only is a challenge apparently

[smoky wagon]

yoyos have it way better than spears or flails

Which makes me wonder why people care about yoyos so much

[vocal grotto]

Petition to delete Thomas

[smoky wagon]

shortswords also are ass now since the nerfs

[frail mantle]

they're interesting weapons to use

[smoky wagon]

the shivs need buffs

[civic pond]

flails

[smoky wagon]

I want my urchin flail+flairon+ball o’ fugu upgrade

[civic pond]

i think spears are ok tbh

[smoky wagon]

what spear do you have post golem

that is good

[civic pond]

i dont know anything about golem progression

[frail mantle]

exsanguination lance

[smoky wagon]

[frail mantle]

the Diseased Pike

[smoky wagon]

diseased pike meta?

astral pike?

what a broment

[civic pond]

ech

[vocal grotto]

Elemental Lance because cheatsheet

[civic pond]

might as well bring in stream gouge

[smoky wagon]

stream gouge idt is even that good

unless the beam hits a big target multiple times per

i havent tested it

[sand umbra]

Using Yo-Yos only Post-Plantera is pretty hard

*smugs in Eye of Cthulhu*

[smoky wagon]

bad weapon

[sand umbra]

Also I'm just gonna say, I personally don't think having Aureus' expert drop be an accessory that only I and maybe some other people would actually use is a good idea--

Have it craftable with Aureus Cells instead.

[smoky wagon]

maybe make it a yoyo glove upgrade

yoyo glove+aureus cells or smth

[sand umbra]

I mean that's pretty too because the Yoyo Glove, and by extension the Yoyo Bag, is already absurd enough on its own.

[smoky wagon]

Well would this item stack with the yoyo glove

i meant yoyo bag

[sand umbra]

If yes, it becomes OP as all ever fuck.
If no, it becomes completely invalidated by the Yoyo Bag's existing function of effectively doubling your damage output.

Yo-yo accessories are ass to balance because there's all of 3 accessories that affect them in vanilla, combined into one accessory that can then still stack with basically every melee-oriented item in the universe.

And furthermore --- that """progression""", because the Yoyo Bag is obtainable literally from the start of Hardmode, causes any yo-yos obtained thereafter to be either incredibly powerful or pitifully weak depending on whether you use it or just the throw's stats to begin with.

[ivory heart]

Prevent the Mana Overloader from lowering life regen below 0.
Why: although the Mana Overloader is a great accessory, negative life regen is worse off for mages than other classes due to their low-defense builds.

[civic pond]

ech

also mana overloader has to have some kind of drawbacks

Doesn't it heal you anyways..?

[signal prairie]

i think?

[civic pond]

spectre healing if your mana is low or something

[zealous ridge]

yes

it also has damage boost and max mana boost

[civic pond]

although 0 life regen is kinda bs

[zealous ridge]

It is kind of annoying to have to optimize your build in some way so that you don’t have negative regen

But free specter healing at low mana is pretty powerful

[civic pond]

especially early game

[ashen warren]

That counterweight looks nice @frail mantle

[zealous ridge]

having more yo-yo accessories is nice

[vocal grotto]

Yoyo bag movement to maybe post ML

[civic pond]

@signal prairie are you sure about stats though

[hollow saffron]

stats can always be changed by devs

[signal prairie]

have you seen the amount of damage Elemental Mix does?

[hollow saffron]

[ivory heart]

Suggestion: during the DoG fight, make it so that if a sentinel fails to spawn or gets despawned, it is summoned again.
Why: if Storm Weaver despawns, you can’t finish the DoG battle and you will have to fight it again.

[zenith hazel]

SW despawning is getting fixed next update anyway

[smoky wagon]

is elemental mix being inflicted on the player supposed to be a downside?

auric tesla armor gives immunity to it

[radiant meadow]

this kinda is basically suggesting an exo weapon ngl

[signal prairie]

I've tried using debug and if a debuff is given to a player directly and it's hardcoded into a weapon, it still gives it

[plucky prairie]

okay so idk if im just uncultured or what but

what even is an exo weapon

[radiant meadow]

weapon crafted with Auric Ore

[plucky prairie]

oh

[civic pond]

although i kinda like the idea of extreme melting in exchange for a major drawback

glassiest of cannons

[west prairie]

I have posted my suggestion and expect blowback but i stand by every word now that ive seen what it can do

[civic pond]

ok if skeletron prime alone can lag me out of my game

i dont want to see what infinity can do to me

[west prairie]

terraria.exe has stopped responding is what

[small talon]

I dont think it should be removed, but yes, a warning is great

[civic pond]

similiar to halibuts tool tip at least

it literally tells you its overpowered

[west prairie]

even a warning doesnt stop you from misclicking when you try to trash the dangerous item

[civic pond]

maybe activate by double click?

[west prairie]

i would say that would be a good idea

[humble pike]

What about a charge up for the item?

[west prairie]

really anything to ensure that if its used it's meant to be used

[lost agate]

Why yes thats going a little too harsh if you ask me

But oh well

[rapid pivot]

Why not add, like, a 90% chance to not use ammo to Infinity?

Instead of the whole 'it keeps firing' thing?

[lost agate]

Idk

Like, the original infinity doesnt do that soooo

Maybe even make it shoot like a concentrated stream of bullets that wave side to side

[leaden plume]

"Infinity" looks like a joke weapon tbh
5 minute use time

[small talon]

Thats cuz it kinda is

[gaunt gazelle]

rename it the RNGesus blaster
shoots for a random time between 30 seconds and 1 second
you can shoot it every 30 seconds

[opaque grail]

When I heard of the Infinity from that post, I assumed it was a harmless 5 minute usage for like 50 damage with 1 pathetic bullet, I didn't expect it'd be some insane computer chugging item

[rapid pivot]

It's the Rare version of the shredder.

[opaque grail]

Oh god

I'm told shredder's already bad for those with REALLY bad pcs

[ivory heart]

Oh cool Infinity

Looks like something I can use with my Rubber Mortar Round inventory

[jovial spire]

on my chromebook too

[ashen warren]

fellas can we do a tally of the number of weapons ever suggested and then tally the number of weapons that actually got enough stars, let alone implemented

[distant gyro]

maybe

actually, any item suggestion at all iirc

[hollow shell]

As far as I recall, no weapon suggestions have ever been implemented

(If you exclude the Great Sand Shark crew)

Plenty of em have been delivered, though

Cryogenic Staff is another, actually
It was originally a suggestion
but the real reason it got implemented is because Cooper became a dev

[earnest raptor]

Nightmare Firework
Post-Brimmy/Skele rogue weapon
Throws a dark crimson colored firework, that flies up at an angle of 45°.
After flying up to 7.5 seconds or hitting a block or enemy the projectile speedly throws himself into ground and on impact with blocks erupts with 'SEH' noise into nightmare-colored chaos flame shockwaves, that damages entities.
🛠 : 5 Soul of Fright + 5 Essence of Chaos + 20 Red Rockets @ Demon Altar
Why:

• Rogue weapon with unique behavior, that would be good crowd controller.
• Other non-consumable weapon for Early-HM.
• More chaos-themed weapons.

[distant gyro]

speaking of wep suggestions

[frail mantle]

Early HM rogue is pretty strong already, isn't it

[earnest raptor]

But one crowd control weapon is Titanium Shuriken.

[frail mantle]

i don't really think Rogue needs more weapons for that tier

[distant gyro]

paleolith is a CC weapon(?)

also imagine NKG reference

[hollow shell]

You say 100° angle
but the image shows about 45°

100° would be slightly behind you straight up, if the floor is 0°

[frail mantle]

also "Having a reference to NKG would be cool" falls under "Reference for references sake" imo

[earnest raptor]

Fixed.

[distant gyro]

actually by that logic shouldn't that be 135deg

[hollow shell]

Thank you

[distant gyro]

depending on direction I guess

[earnest raptor]

Removed reference.

And now it's not early HM.

@frail mantle Hmmm....

[distant gyro]

skele sounds more like the normal skele iirc

prime > skele

[frail mantle]

why ping

tbh i don't know if there actually are any places where Rogue suffers

[distant gyro]

it's already in there?

[distant gyro]

"Any suggestions whose only reason for existing is to be a reference to something else."

[hollow saffron]

@earnest raptor thats already a thing

[earnest raptor]

Blame me for lack of attention

[distant gyro]

[hollow saffron]

[hollow shell]

It's okay if the thing is a reference

but it can't just be a reference

If it has an actual purpose then it's good

[distant gyro]

yea, which is as they stated "reference for the sake of reference"

[pale bluff]

I might make a suggestion of a more obscure weapon, maybe a Scattergun (No, not Scout's Primary from Team Fortress 2, but a Laser Shotgun) that fires bursts of energy in a shotgun spread, this can be obtained after killing Astrum Aureus and can drop from any Astral Infection enemy

[earnest raptor]

After that, I do not think that weapon suggestion is a good idea.

[mystic sandal]

I don’t really care about suggestions being included

I just like writing them

[pale bluff]

[frail mantle]

Sors says that no weapon suggestions have been implemented
Proceeds to post an idea for a weapon suggestion literally the message after
Tries to say that suggesting weapons is a bad idea

[earnest raptor]

I am bad guy, obviously.

what you have wrong about guy that kinda lose a hope

[distant gyro]

[radiant pivot]

I like that astral counterweight idea, and the idea of new later game yoyo accessories in general

Like, eventually leading up to a post moon Lord upgrade to the yoyo bag

[novel pebble]

If no suggested weapons are getting in

Then I think something should change about suggesting weapons rules

[frail mantle]

i don't think that no weapon suggestions will ever be implemented, i think Sors means that none have been implemented so far

[novel pebble]

Ye I get that

[pale bluff]

Do y'all like my Scattergun idea?

[distant gyro]

I see no reason to this existing as it fills no gap, there's a mass variety of ranged weapons for ML

[pale bluff]

what about post ML?

[distant gyro]

same goes

[pale bluff]

dang

[distant gyro]

Disseminator, Infinity, Planetary Annihilation, Astreal Defeat, Onyx Chain Blaster, Shredder, the list goes on...

[pale bluff]

Infinity shouldn't be in the game for how much it can kill a Processor

[brittle merlin]

Would it be difficult to code an accessory that makes a chain lightning effect between projectiles?

[distant gyro]

while not exactly clear, the tooltip "Bad PC" and shredder sprite does give it away

[brittle merlin]

Or is it just difficult in general with summons

[distant gyro]

depends on chain lightning

the only kind of Chain Lightning effect I can see is the massive IQ weapon that is Vivid Clarity

[brittle merlin]

I was kind of thinking of maybe an occasional arc of lightning between summons

[distant gyro]

summons

[brittle merlin]

So I was right then

Summons are just difficult territory

[distant gyro]

mechworm for example, yes

[brittle merlin]

Didn’t think of the worm summons

That would be bad

[proven tide]

this made me physically recoil when i read it

holy shit

[marsh gust]

@ashen warren that reason isnt good enough tbh

[novel pebble]

Wow

Amazing

[ashen warren]

Well it was annoying to complete it on accident

What i didnt know killing plantera in modded would count!

[marsh gust]

its only an achievement, it doesnt matter. it doesnt change the game in any way possible

[ashen warren]

Well i guess

[proven tide]

and why is it important?

[ashen warren]

I dont know

Ah leave it

[proven tide]

what a time to be alive

[ashen warren]

I can also delete the achievemnet

Also today i spawned the eator of gods and it spawned 10 wierldy but it was an epic fight

[proven tide]

mm

#calamity-mod-talk with ye

[marsh gust]

^

[proven tide]

@lavish cloak love the name

[lavish cloak]

Haha, Thanks! I wanted to think of a name that has that similar ring to Ballistic Poison Bomb but even better

I just want a Post-ML Bomb weapon man... the seafoam Bomb and Ballistic Poison Bomb are so fun!

Idk if it might be better to stay with the abyss/water theming for the bombs but criticism is welcome and suggestions for the weapon are too!!

[signal prairie]

@ashen warren where's the "why"?

[distant gyro]

Rouge intensifying btw

[frail mantle]

also what does it do

[proven tide]

@noble turret ayo this boi want some bigga tiddy

[noble turret]

^

[proven tide]

a) what do you mean by variant spr—

oh

oh no

i was joking

what a time to be alive

[hollow saffron]

@ashen warren add a reason why

[frail mantle]

most of the armor sets do have female armor variants though

[proven tide]

not uh

not what he meant

he meant uh

variants of the female sprites

(bigga tiddy)

[frail mantle]

what

[proven tide]

ikr

haha yes sexualise terraria

[placid moth]

bruh

[plucky prairie]

okay but like,

is there a reason not to?

[proven tide]

there's nothing okay to "okay" here

... yes.

[plucky prairie]

then what about the elementals

[proven tide]

what

??

[noble turret]

owo they already have variants?

[plucky prairie]

have you ever gazed at the brimstone elemental

[noble turret]

what

[smoky wagon]

devs have better things to do than appeal to your pathetic fantasies

[plucky prairie]

fair

[noble turret]

wdym

[smoky wagon]

alot of the armors already have female variants

[proven tide]

respriting the characters themselves for bigga tiddy takes time, effort, redcode bullshit, has no purpose, doesn't improve the game at all, is indulgent, and honestly i could go on but basically CEASE

as for the armour sets... there's no room for improvement.

[plucky prairie]

(also it's hard to do that at such a small res)

[proven tide]

so uh

no

[smoky wagon]

They mean female versions of what

[plucky prairie]

armor

[proven tide]

they didn't say 'female armour variants'

[smoky wagon]

bosses? Npcs? laserfish?

they dont even specify

[plucky prairie]

oh

[proven tide]

they said female character variant sprites

[plucky prairie]

[proven tide]

eyeballs, specifying, yes

[plucky prairie]

okay imma just vanish

[smoky wagon]

yeah “character” could mean alot of things

[smoky wagon]

i assume the player character

[lavish cloak]

By character, do you mean the player?

^

[smoky wagon]

god slayer, mollusk, silva have female variants

[proven tide]

not about the armour

they mean the actual

character

terrarian tiddy not big enough

[lavish cloak]

Like, body types?

[proven tide]

therefore

bigger terrarian tiddy

[smoky wagon]

this seems like a meme suggestion

[hollow saffron]

Aren't there already female sprites and stuff ingame

I'm a bitt confused by that suggestion

[smoky wagon]

XultroniX maybe you could make your yoyo a higher progression stage than shimmerspark then

[lavish cloak]

Mmhmm

[smoky wagon]

instead of outclassing it

[hollow saffron]

Ok

[smoky wagon]

like make it use mech boss souls

[hollow saffron]

I'll change hellstone to hallowed bars

[smoky wagon]

or that

[distant gyro]

Excuse me but Shimmerspark is bad™

it has been proven by the DAY man himself

[hollow saffron]

Yeah shimmerspark sucks

[smoky wagon]

Thomas thinks red’s throw is good

[frail mantle]

it is

[distant gyro]

The best Yoyo for that tier is Red's Throw/Valkyrie Yoyo

yea

[smoky wagon]

he isnt a reliable source

it is not good

[frail mantle]

it's the best you've got for the tier

[distant gyro]

it is the best yoyo option you have

you can't really say otherwise

[frail mantle]

ninja'd twice

[smoky wagon]

then buff shimmerspark so you dont have to use a godawful yoyo without projectiles

or use a actually good melee weapon

[distant gyro]

Luxor + Valk/Red intensifying

[hollow saffron]

imagine having to hit your enemy with a weapon and not rely on projectiles

[frail mantle]

Red's Throw isn't godawful

it's just a bit subpar

[smoky wagon]

yes it is

you dont want to have to be that close to mech bosses constantly

[distant gyro]

it is on par for twins afaik

[hollow saffron]

I've actually never gotten Red's Throw tbh

[frail mantle]

by that logic, all yoyos are bad because you have to be close to the bosses

[hollow saffron]

terrarian

[smoky wagon]

also spamming luxor memes with yoyos of all things sounds lol

atleast the yoyos with projectiles give you a little bit of flexibility

[frail mantle]

you still have to be relatively close for the Terrarian to do anything

[distant gyro]

luxor + red's can kill DAY destroyer in 2 adrenalines

all thanks to the power of death mode adrenaline

[hollow saffron]

imagine no hitting a boss

[smoky wagon]

or you could use luxors with a decent melee

And do the same

[hollow saffron]

nerf adrenaline

[lost agate]

It was gonna be nerfed but redcode didnt like it

[frail mantle]

ah yes

[hollow saffron]

good idea! thanks red

[frail mantle]

Redcode

[smoky wagon]

if they were to nerf it death mode boss health would need rebalancing

unless they want every fight to last 4 minutes

[lost agate]

Not everyone gets adren 24/7

[smoky wagon]

true

but adrenaline shaves off a ton of time needed to spend dodging

[hollow saffron]

but you need to dodge to use adrenaline

catch-22 much

[smoky wagon]

You miss the point

[lost agate]

We dont use rippers when testing

So it shouldnt take that long

Because rippers just annihilate some bosses in mere seconds

[smoky wagon]

then buff the hp of those bosses a bit

doing p2 death mode DoG without adrenaline sounds like a fucking slog

[lost agate]

For the adren not everyone gets?

No thanks

[smoky wagon]

if you are playing death mode you should be good enough to get it every now and then

what bosses are getting melted anyway

[lost agate]

Buffing something based on adren is really bad

[smoky wagon]

then nerf adrenaline but also nerf the hp of bosses like DoG

[lost agate]

Because everything would take at least 2 minutes using adren

[smoky wagon]

You cant just pretend it doesn’t exist when balancing

[plucky matrix]

No nerfing rippers >:c

[lost agate]

We check adren when we actually need to

Also wasnt DoG just nerfed?

[smoky wagon]

no it was buffed

[lost agate]

Uh no

[distant gyro]

nerfed buffed, rebalanced

[smoky wagon]

how was it nerfed

[distant gyro]

decreased resistances

[smoky wagon]

it inflicts whispering death now and it got an hp boost iirc

yes but it got more hp overall

[lost agate]

Theres this tiny little things called resistances

It took half the time when those got removed

[smoky wagon]

Which weapons did it resist?

[distant gyro]

18k dps from dark spark -> 54k dps; judge for yourself I guess

[smoky wagon]

well if you arent using one of those weapons its just a buff

[lost agate]

It had general resistances not weapon resistance

Smh assumptions

[distant gyro]

yea

[smoky wagon]

I remember wiki saying it resisted sulphuric acid cannon

was that removed?

[plucky matrix]

[distant gyro]

nor was dark spark touched at all, so I see no grounds in not using dark spark as a sample

[lost agate]

So yes, dog was nerfed already

[smoky wagon]

Well i did DoG as melee

were any melee weapons better due to the nerf?

[lost agate]

Why of course

[distant gyro]

of course

its overall resistance is reduced

[lost agate]

Why would removing a general resistance not affect all weapons?

[smoky wagon]

i dont even know how the resistances worked

tbh

i though it was specfic weapons

[distant gyro]

resistance reduction applies to all weapon

[smoky wagon]

like the DR of the body segments was reduced?

[lost agate]

No

Overall resistances on everything

Piercing, increasing DR if you hit too often, things like that

[smoky wagon]

it just “resisted” everything

ok

my point still stands about p2 DoG in death mode i think

it gets almost 2mil increased hp from rev

[lost agate]

Doesnt death adren let you skip like half of p2?

[smoky wagon]

if you get extremely lucky

But usually no

[plucky matrix]

If you use it well

[smoky wagon]

you have to get it in a very specific setup

its unreliable

[lost agate]

Or just aim well

[plucky matrix]

With glass cannon dark spark I skipped around 20% with one adren

[smoky wagon]

“aim well”

Well when the tail flies away from banshee hook and i cant catch it i cant really aim at all

but if it doesn’t fly away it does alot

[lost agate]

Thats why you dont chase the tail smh

[smoky wagon]

i use adrenaline when head/tail is exposed

[lost agate]

As would everyone

[smoky wagon]

worm ai doesnt cooperate

[lost agate]

If you run alongside him, aiming aint too hard

[smoky wagon]

If it enters ground phase while midair it speeds up a ton

[lost agate]

Then just turn around

[smoky wagon]

but by then neither head or tail is on screen

and dmging them isnt reliable

[lost agate]

You can literally just shoot backwards and the head will eat the projectiles

So i dont see how its unreliable

[smoky wagon]

DoG doesnt do that the whole fight

If it does then i do just shoot it then

[lost agate]

It doesnt do what?

[hollow saffron]

DoG entering purple phase makes it to fast tbh

[smoky wagon]

it doesnt fly straight towards you in a straight line the whole time

[lost agate]

It does if you lure him well

[smoky wagon]

you can get it to do it around 50% of the time usually

not the whole fight

[lost agate]

Uh

[smoky wagon]

Eventually it flies in the air and the back down again

[lost agate]

Well it happens to me always so idk what you doing

[smoky wagon]

[lost agate]

Its not gonna happen on passive phase ofc

By then just aim upwards

Actually, i have a video with that, but its pre nerf

[sand umbra]

Let's be real here, the only post-Cryogen yoyo available in the mod until you beat Calamitas is the Shimmerspark

Red's and Valk, the two vanilla dev throws, are both post-Cryo because of how Treasure Bags work and they perform pretty well for their tier.

...that being said, I certainly wouldn't complain about a post-1-mech throw (or maybe a Chlorophyte throw?).

[smoky wagon]

they still are bad

[sand umbra]

[smoky wagon]

shimmerspark probably could be buffed

melee struggles pre plant and the yoyos dont help

[sand umbra]

The Shimmerspark, from my experiences, is...lackluster performance-wise.

It looks cool as hell, don't get me wrong, but there are absolutely better options for the tier it's obtained.

(The YinYo in particular, despite being a tier below the Shimmerspark, shines much more against e.g. AS and Destroyer thanks to the piercing projectiles it spits out.)

[smoky wagon]

i feel like the overall dps of it would be higher than red’s throw

its 38 base dmg vs 70

But it shoots projectiles that are doubled by yoyo bag

im not sure how it wouldnt do more

[sand umbra]

I-frames.

[smoky wagon]

they pierce?

[sand umbra]

Projectiles still give immunity frames the same way the main throw does.

Thus, the projectiles can interfere with the actual yo-yo's ability to deal hits.

[smoky wagon]

i-frames only lower dps from piercing attacks

and the stars pierce iirc

[sand umbra]

/does a search

The fired stars can pierce one enemy but will not go through walls.

Yep.

[smoky wagon]

remove the piercing

Better weapon instantly

[sand umbra]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[gaunt gazelle]

make yoyos ignore iframes

[sand umbra]

[civic pond]

bruh speed

[crystal osprey]

Gamer speed

[elder mist]

Wrong.

Not all piercing lowers iframes.

Luminite bullet-like piercing doesn't.

Meteor bullet-like piercing does.

This has been my ted talk, see you next week.

[smoky wagon]

make shimmerspark shoot luminite bullets

easy

[sand umbra]

So which one does the Shimmerspark have in terms of stars--

Because from my experience it seems like the Shimmerspark's stars do give i-frames, mitigating the main throw's DPS.

[hearty ermine]

deus is being moved to post cultist correct?

[zealous ridge]

he has been moved to post cultist in latest update

[hearty ermine]

oh

Rebalance post planterra:

After one or two playthroughs everything from planterra to deus blends together. There is pretty much no reason to fight any bosses besides golem and cultist other than just wanting to. here are a few changes I came up with to fix this.

Move Chaotic ore to post ravager: reaver armor is supposed to be used for 4 fights, but is only practically used for 1, and is entirely skippable as golem is a joke. Moving chaotic ore to a bit later in progression would give reaver armor more use.

Either nerf levi or buff reaver armor: If ataxia armor was to be moved to post ravager, then the levi fight needs to be easier. This fight is supposed to be fought pre golem, as the gear obtained is too weak to be used later. Nobody in there right mind fights levi before golem because of the difficulty. nerfing the boss would make it fit better into progression.

Heavily buff cultist: cultist is in a weird position where the lunar weapons he unlocks are very helpful against deus, but make any bosses pre cultist super easy. This wouldn't be an issue if cultist was strong enough to require gear from goliath or fishron to beat, but as it stands cultist can be easily defeated right after golem.

Buff goliath weapons: goliath is meant to be fought pre fishron and deus yet the weapons it drops are pretty much worthless against at least fishron in my experience.

If there is anything wrong with my suggestion as I have yet to fight new deus so I may have some information incorrect, please ping me in #suggestions-discussion

Thoughts?

i am open to any criticism

[plucky prairie]

this is already in #suggestions-discussion @hearty ermine

[hollow shell]

He's gonna post that in #suggestions-voting after getting feedback here first, Saice

[storm hedge]

True Paladin's Hammer (melee) may be considered useless. There are much better weapons the moment you get it like Blade of Enmity or True Biome Blade

[signal prairie]

True Paladin's hammer is a very good weapon

[plucky prairie]

okay but if thats the case, why have the part about pinging him in here when its already here

[hollow shell]

Because he's gonna post that in #suggestions-voting after getting feedback here first

in which case

the channel link will make sense

[ionic flicker]

A sugesstion

What if the devs create Exo-Flames debuff for the photoviscerator

[terse sundial]

another flames debuff...

[ionic flicker]

I say this because as it is now is kinda weak against SC and it would be strange to not have it because there is a different type of fire debuff through all game progression other than post-Yharon

[civic pond]

too many flame debuffs already

[ionic flicker]

Exactly

[terse sundial]

i wouldn't be opposed to giving photovis a buff

[civic pond]

have it inflict every flame debuff

[hearty ermine]

yes i am planing on putting it in suggestions

thats why the # is there

[ionic flicker]

Also there is the tooltip of the weapon itself

[civic pond]

dont zergs exist

[hollow saffron]

[civic pond]

or another possibility is that RNG just hates you

[hollow saffron]

because I'm totally gonna risk being at half health when the boss shows up

RNG hates everyone tbh

[bitter drift]

do you think there is a need for more rogue pre boss weapons?

[hollow saffron]

yes

I was gonna make a suggestion about that soon

[bitter drift]

i got a jungle themed one

[hollow saffron]

Oh and also @civic pond if I zerg it's a bit harder to count how many titans Ive killed

[civic pond]

PING

[hollow saffron]

jungle preboss is bad

[civic pond]

oh

[hollow saffron]

@ionic flicker look at this

[bitter drift]

it won't be that expensive

[civic pond]

still i think increasing spawnrates is kind of unnecessary

[hollow saffron]

!wiki photoviscerator

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Photoviscerator

Calamity Mod Wiki

Photoviscerator

The Photoviscerator is a craftable post-Moon Lord flamethrower. It rapidly fires a stream of green and purple exo flames that have a very long range, can pierce infinitely, and ignore enemy immunity frames. It uses gel as ammunition, and its flames inflict many debuffs onto hit enemies. It has a 90% chance to not consume gel when used.
When the Photoviscerator's flames hit an enemy, they will inflict the following debuffs:

Exo Freeze (0.5 seconds)
Elemental Mix (2 seconds)
Cursed Inferno (2 seconds)
Frostburn (2 seconds)
On Fire! (2 seconds)
Ichor (2 seconds)Its best modifier is Unreal.

[echo horizon]

astral titans are something else but not astral titans

[civic pond]

not enough flame debuffs tbh

[hollow saffron]

plus its already underpowered anyway

[civic pond]

no daybroken

[echo horizon]

its good

bruh

[civic pond]

or nightwither

[echo horizon]

nightwither is op

[civic pond]

photo is a little weak for its tier

[hollow saffron]

Bumble the increase in spawn rates would only be limited to that awkward area of time between defeating the cultist and defeating astrum deus

[civic pond]

ngl

[hollow saffron]

yeah

[civic pond]

also

you dont have to "zerg"

you could use something less powerful

[hollow saffron]

water candle\

[civic pond]

or battle pot

or both

[echo horizon]

use zerg for like 10 secs

[hollow saffron]

For me it would probs only slightly alleviate the whole counting issue

[bitter drift]

damn looking at the DS wiki made me see that this suggestion is gonna SUCK

[hollow saffron]

or you could zerg for 10 seconds

[hollow shell]

@hollow saffron They're named Atlas

[hollow saffron]

oH

ok thanks

[bitter drift]

ok how to make a rogue weapon for deserted scourge

[fervent zealot]

don't because scourge of the desert exists

[bitter drift]

yes because that is post DS

[fervent zealot]

pre scourge you have crystalline so unnecesary

[bitter drift]

u sure

[distant gyro]

Crystalline, Wulfrum Knives, and SS boomerang exist

[bitter drift]

ah i thought there are only the last 2

[hollow saffron]

Crystalline is the only really good one of those

And it requires diamonds

[bitter drift]

and crystalline is post EoC

[hollow saffron]

its not

What

I got it pre-boss

[distant gyro]

SSB is decent for eye of cthulhu

[bitter drift]

o thought it was there

[hollow saffron]

But finding diamonds was hard af for me

[bitter drift]

use the extractor m8

[distant gyro]

Wulfrum Knives are good for the dry worm as well

[hollow saffron]

I only got the crystalline after I went throguh an entire stack of silt

and I died 5 times for that extractinator, silence

[bitter drift]

ok soo where does any class need a weapon?

[hollow saffron]

post-cryogen melee

[bitter drift]

i don't think so

[radiant meadow]

post cryogen doesn't really need melee weapons

[distant gyro]

Post-Cryo melee has plenty of options

[hollow saffron]

post-cryogen melee against aquatic scourge

[radiant meadow]

clam crusher, dao of pow

[distant gyro]

Clam iirc

[radiant meadow]

ark of the ancients

[hollow saffron]

clam crusher was useless tbh

[radiant meadow]

then you're not using it right

[distant gyro]

[hollow saffron]

ark of the ancients is good tbh

[frail mantle]

i don't think any classes need any more weapons at any point of the game tbh

[radiant meadow]

clam crusher yeets worms into the next dimension

[bitter drift]

isn't that post mechs

[hollow saffron]

i beat calamitas with it then instantly upgraded

[frail mantle]

if anything, i'd say something about the subclasses

[hollow saffron]

@bitter drift I beat skeletron prime before cryogen

[distant gyro]

Calling clam useless mean youre doing sth wrong when people use it on fishron

[radiant meadow]

ark of the ancients requires 1 mech to be killed

[bitter drift]

lol

[civic pond]

clam crusher just requires high IQ

[hollow saffron]

how do you use it then

[distant gyro]

Smash them in their face over and over

[frail mantle]

iirc aim away from the enemy and let it pull itself through enemies

[hollow saffron]

it will deal 2.5x damage if launched into the air? oh it didnt do that when i played melee

[radiant meadow]

this isn't aquatic scourge but like this

fuck that's not the vid brb

[distant gyro]

[bitter drift]

[radiant meadow]

https://youtu.be/wvWgqsqVre8

[opaque grail]

clam crusher needs jack all for IQ, I can use it

[zenith hazel]

clam crusher is bad? excuse me?

[hollow saffron]

i guess i wasnt using it right 🤷

[zenith hazel]

it does disgustingly good damage against fishron

and it’s a pre-cryo weapon ffs

[civic pond]

to anyone that calls flails bad

[hollow saffron]

@radiant meadow to be honest tho i had more consistent damage with the ark 🤷

[radiant meadow]

consistent? yes

[civic pond]

ark attacks consistently

[radiant meadow]

but it takes like twice as long

[hollow saffron]

🤷

[opaque grail]

consistently BAD aha gotem

[hollow saffron]

no u.

[radiant meadow]

that doesn't make clam crusher a bad weapon

[bitter drift]

noo uuu

[hollow saffron]

Termi I never said inconsistent DPS made it bad

It just requires a certain technique of usage

plus im not good with flails anyway

[civic pond]

there's a thing called practice

[distant gyro]

But ya said useless?

[bitter drift]

solar eruption intensify

[hollow saffron]

Atlix when I played melee the Clam didnt have the 2.5x damage thingy if thrown into the air

aldr I used the terratomere

[civic pond]

solar eruption hot

[bitter drift]

[radiant meadow]

you did say "Clam crusher was useless tbh"

[distant gyro]

CD hot

[zenith hazel]

CD cold*

[radiant meadow]

and clam crusher always had that 2.5x dmg thingy

[zenith hazel]

smh

[distant gyro]

[civic pond]

CD is hella cold

[hollow saffron]

well then Im just bad with flails ok

[civic pond]

which makes it even hotter

[distant gyro]

Okay fine dragon pow is hot though

[civic pond]

ew

im leaving i dont wanna be associated with that

[hollow saffron]

yet you associate yourself with rapidly sexing fluffballs

[bitter drift]

here is something that i question in calamity
endothermic energy: exist
upgrade to cryonic weapons/armor using endothermic energy: doesn't exist

[civic pond]

still better than dragonpow

[distant gyro]

[zenith hazel]

d-pow is gonna be better anyway

[civic pond]

totally not biased

[hollow saffron]

good point aldr

[distant gyro]

DP > Ataraxia iirc

[bitter drift]

it's adir

[hollow saffron]

why isnt there a post dog alternative set to god slayer armor

ok adir

[zenith hazel]

glass cannon god slayer

[radiant meadow]

there doesn't have to be

[bitter drift]

it's just seems so obvious to make said things yet there is not a single suggestion for it

[zenith hazel]

sure, let’s oversaturate frost moon as if it doesn’t have enough stuff already

[bitter drift]

not my fault that you have suggested EVERYTHING before we even started to talk about this type of weapon

[distant gyro]

North Pole upgrade iirc

[bitter drift]

name?

[zenith hazel]

elemental lance

[distant gyro]

idk lol just a random thought

[bitter drift]

ah lol

[distant gyro]

Something that's better than Stream Gouge

[bitter drift]

also no it's not it

[civic pond]

[distant gyro]

I mean

Does anyone actually use Stream Gouge iirc

[civic pond]

me ngl

[distant gyro]

I bet Banshee Hook might even be better

what

[civic pond]

what

you asked if anyone actually uses stream gouge

[distant gyro]

ok gamer using that one spear

[civic pond]

[distant gyro]

did you beat yharon with it though iirc

[civic pond]

i quit that PT early remember

[sand umbra]

mfw virtually every late-game weapon has a flames debuff, or even just debuff in general...

[civic pond]

why shouldn't it

[sand umbra]

...that then gets no use because everything that doesn't die in 5 seconds anyway is immune to it.

That seems a little to me--

[civic pond]

why would they even be immune to it

its not like tiny ass flame debuffs make a huge difference anyways

[sand umbra]

Not even really referring to flame debuffs specifically.

[civic pond]

i cant think of any other debuffs

wait

plague

[sand umbra]

Debuffs in general are pointless on late-game weapons because you can count the number of them that are actually useful against late-game bosses on your own two hands.

Or at least, to an extent, pointless.

[civic pond]

the only true debuff i ever repeatedly use is ichor

[bitter drift]

imagine using debuffs in calamity

[civic pond]

DoT becomes pretty useless later game

which most debuffs kinda.. are..

[frail mantle]

Ichor is the best debuff in Terraria tbh

[civic pond]

dur

[bitter drift]

and the only

[civic pond]

who doesn't love reduced defense

[sand umbra]

DoG--

[frail mantle]

Betsy's Curse exists too but who actually uses the OOA Tier Three weapons

[civic pond]

aren't most bosses immune to betsy's curse

[bitter drift]

like what is the point of debuffs when the first boss of the mod is immune to 99% of debuffs

[sand umbra]

Betsy's Curse? Sorry, I don't speak Immune to: all debuffs

[civic pond]

except

shred

[sand umbra]

hueh

[civic pond]

this just makes me sad

[bitter drift]

Desert Scourge
Desert Scourge.png
Statistics
Type Boss
Environment Desert
AI Type Worm AI
Max Life 2,300 / 3,680 / 4,240 / 8,160
KB Resist 100%
Immune to All debuffs except:
Exo FreezeShellfish ClapsEnraged

[civic pond]

i think a lot of debuffs should be either buffed

[sand umbra]

Friendly reminder that DS, the first boss of the mod, is vulnerable to all of three debuffs.

[civic pond]

[sand umbra]

Friendly reminder that basically every post-ML boss is immune to any debuff obtainable prior to them and then some unless it's Ichor or Cursed Inferno.

[bitter drift]

ya pls tell me how debuffs are useful in calamity

[civic pond]

please tell me when cursed inferno was ever relevant

Also

[bitter drift]

ya

[sand umbra]

Before evil islands were a thing or smth idk lel--

[civic pond]

isn't this whole debuff thing the entirety of the reason why biome blade is effectively useless

[bitter drift]

#buff Debuffs

[sand umbra]

smh Biome Blade, this is why Ark of the Ancients doesn't visit anymore.

[civic pond]

[bitter drift]

when i first got the biome blade i thought it will be viable, NOPE

[sand umbra]

Debuffs are the Biome Blade's main mechanic.

[bitter drift]

and debuffs are useless

[sand umbra]

Yet it does virtually nothing by the time you reach the Omega Biome Blade or so.

[civic pond]

like literally

every boss in that biome

is immune to whatever biome blade can do

[sand umbra]

YEP

[civic pond]

[bitter drift]

#buffdebuffs

[civic pond]

killing SCal with On Fire!

[gusty geode]

Sorry for being offtopic
But a #lore-discussion made me realize how little "infected" enemies are in the Astral Infection
Iirc the only enemies that actually look like enemies from elsewhere are a Sand Shark variant and arguable the Astral Slime
Imo that should be worked on somehow

[bitter drift]

[civic pond]

or maybe they're uber infected

[sand umbra]

Cryogen? Immune to Glacial State.
AS? Immune to nigh-everything, including Crush Depth.
Plaguebringer Goliath? Immune to Plague.

Just a few examples.

[civic pond]

beyond the point of recognition

[frail mantle]

also Hadarians

[civic pond]

i understand WHY their immune

its just

[sand umbra]

So do I.

[bitter drift]

some have a good reason

[civic pond]

biome blade RELIES on debuffs

which is already bad enough

[sand umbra]

^

[civic pond]

also by doing that

it encourages the player to be in certain biomes

[sand umbra]

It's the Blade's whole gimmick. And yet it makes the Blade nearly useless against many of the biome-specific bosses.

[civic pond]

[bitter drift]

that is stupid

[civic pond]

how about instead of debuffs it gives buffs to the player instead

?

not sure how that would work

but its better than fighting cryogen with glacial state

[gusty geode]

Ok, I guess Hadarians
And if you really squint Novas could be infected Demon Eyes
Still not much tho imo

[bitter drift]

probably chaos

[sand umbra]

Cryogen with Glacial State.

[zenith hazel]

worms not being immune to debuffs

[bitter drift]

or prov with holy flames

[sand umbra]

[zenith hazel]

imagine if DoG was prone to demon flames

[bitter drift]

[zenith hazel]

combine that with its 100+ segments

[bitter drift]

demon flames?

[zenith hazel]

you'll get like 250k+ damage per second

[signal prairie]

lol

[distant gyro]

I question why provi is immune to wet

[civic pond]

[distant gyro]

[civic pond]

she'd probably just burn the water away

[signal prairie]

[bitter drift]

[civic pond]

evaporate instantly

[sand umbra]

New change: Wet does considerable DoT to Provi--

[zenith hazel]

slime gun new meta

[sand umbra]

[signal prairie]

[bitter drift]

[civic pond]

have all eye enemies be vulnerable to crying

[frail mantle]

tbh it'd actually be interesting if Wet did DoT to fire-related enemies

[sand umbra]

It would be.

[bitter drift]

but who uses crying

[distant gyro]

Oh yea teardrop cleaver

[civic pond]

also me

[bitter drift]

[sand umbra]

Teardrop Cleaver upgrade line and friends question mark?

[civic pond]

i doubt it

[sand umbra]

[bitter drift]

na m8

[civic pond]

or maybe shove it in neptunes bounty upgrade line

just cause

[frail mantle]

also Statis' Blessing

[zenith hazel]

temporal sadness scal

[civic pond]

[zenith hazel]

nohitting is about to be revolutionized if scal doesn't move

[sand umbra]

I guess I just get annoyed at so many bosses being immune to so many debuffs.

[civic pond]

so wait

[sand umbra]

Because it makes the addition of several debuffs to late-game weapons and the Biome Blade line as a whole completely pointless.

[distant gyro]

Give Yharim temporal sadness when he comes iirc- oh wait

[civic pond]

desert or aquatic scourge is immune to godslayer inferno

[signal prairie]

I'm happy that the weapon sprite that I spent hours on got some attention

[distant gyro]

[civic pond]

goot

Biome blade?

more like

crafting ingredient

[bitter drift]

I guess I just get annoyed at so many bosses being immune to so many debuffs.
wait I? and SO MANY?
do you mean WE and ALL? Thomas

[civic pond]

[sand umbra]

I guess? o3o

[zenith hazel]

debuffs are just there I guess

[bitter drift]

doing nothing

[zenith hazel]

the flame debuffs are cool and all but eh

[civic pond]

cool and too many

[sand umbra]

And before you say "but muh DoT to normal enemies!", allow me to point out that any normal enemy that isn't immune to debuffs late-game is annihilated instantly anyway.

[civic pond]

a debuff doesn't HAVE to be DoT

[bitter drift]

We nEed mOrE

[civic pond]

ichor is like the best example

[zenith hazel]

temporal goddamn sadness

[sand umbra]

That's the other thing. A debuff does not need to be DoT.

Yet all the debuffs that anything important inflicts involve DoT.

[bitter drift]

slow Ichor exo freeze

[signal prairie]

[civic pond]

a debuff that lowers attack

or lowers defense

[bitter drift]

week

[civic pond]

or isn't DoT for once

[sand umbra]

Debuff that reduces enemy attack strength.
Debuff that reduces enemy accuracy.
Debuff that replaces Ichor late-game for all I care.
Debuff that does literally anything except DoT.

[civic pond]

because in the end your weapon is dealing the bulk of the damage

[bitter drift]

i was think of a DoT debuff for frost weapon

[zenith hazel]

enemy accuracy? that is the most double-edged sword thing I've ever seen

[civic pond]

idk man

sounds like retinazer might hit me MORE often

[zenith hazel]

enemies shooting at random can be more disastrous

[sand umbra]

I'm just giving examples.

[civic pond]

fair enough

[signal prairie]

A debuff that removes all kb resistance from bosses

[sand umbra]

Not saying they're good examples, just examples.

[civic pond]

frans no

[zenith hazel]

twins and prime will be way worse that way tbh

[civic pond]

[sand umbra]

Twins + accuracy reduction = commit die iirc--

[zenith hazel]

imagine if scal's hellblasts were random

[sand umbra]

[civic pond]

[signal prairie]

^

[sand umbra]

What have I done--

[bitter drift]

[civic pond]

ok back to the topic of biome blade please

[zenith hazel]

it's a thing

[civic pond]

how do we fix this poor excuse for a weapon

[sand umbra]

Okay so re: Biome Blade.

It exists.

[zenith hazel]

topic is over

[civic pond]

come on

[sand umbra]

It certainly exists.

[bitter drift]

thomas you did nothing
i did everything

[civic pond]

crimsaber existed

and look what happened to it

[signal prairie]

Biome Blade is getting a buff next update

[civic pond]

a buff to what

damage?

[signal prairie]

23 - Buffed Biome Blade because somebody got it nerfed to high hell many updates ago. - Done

[bitter drift]

it need an everything buff

[sand umbra]

It needs a rework.

[civic pond]

^

[bitter drift]

^^^^

[civic pond]

the whole biome gimmick is nigh useless

[sand umbra]

Either that, or boss debuff immunities seriously need to be toned down.

[bitter drift]

agreed

[civic pond]

i was thinking as an example in the ice biome lets say it inflicts cursed inferno

[zenith hazel]

scal being prone to cursed inferno still makes me laugh to this day

[civic pond]

she burned hell

still hurt by shitty green flames

[marble mirage]

it's okay, those flames are cursed

[bitter drift]

where do you get these

[marble mirage]

and green

green is strong against red

[bitter drift]

and look like vomit

[distant gyro]

Everything is prone to piss, green flames, and taunt for some reason

[zenith hazel]

and clams

[civic pond]

oh yes taunt exists

[frail mantle]

[civic pond]

nothing is immune to my clam claps

[bitter drift]

what have i made

[distant gyro]

Demonshade enrage; the inescapable

[civic pond]

i wonder if i can hurt burning wheels with clam claps actually

[plucky prairie]

good question

[bitter drift]

ok bumble doge WHERE DO YOU GET THESE

[civic pond]

THESE

[zenith hazel]

a debuff that does 6 damage per second against a boss with 10 million hp maximum

[civic pond]

awesome right?

[zenith hazel]

especially when there's a debuff that completely outclasses it right next to it

[civic pond]

as i said before

the weapon you use does the bulk of the actual damage

[sand umbra]

So you mean to tell me a god-slaying inferno can't hurt Yharon, but the blood of gods that shouldn't really do anything can.

[bitter drift]

Ya ThAt sEeMs aBoUt RiGhT

[civic pond]

[smoky wagon]

Yeah i dont get why yharon is immune to DoT debuffs

[bitter drift]

🍆

[smoky wagon]

they wouldnt be too powerful vs him

[zenith hazel]

you're telling me that scal is immune to every flames debuff ever, including post-ml ones, except cursed inferno?

[civic pond]

sure

[ionic flicker]

SC is weak against curses, EXTREMELY weak against curses to be affected by Cursed Flames

[plucky prairie]

wait yharon is immune to them?

[smoky wagon]

same with scal

[zenith hazel]

yharon is immune to a lot

[plucky prairie]

oh man

[civic pond]

this makes 0 sense to me

[plucky prairie]

lovely

[zenith hazel]

most post-ml things are immune to a lot

[smoky wagon]

yharon’s summons are atleast affected by elemental mix and whatnot

[civic pond]

@distant gyro what about shred, the inescapable

[sand umbra]

Yharon is immune to everything except the evil biome debuffs, Shred, Demon Flames, Enraged, and shellfish claps hahaues.

[smoky wagon]

literally nothing during scal fight is though iirc

[distant gyro]

ew shred

[civic pond]

shred

another DoT debuff

[distant gyro]

boss rush iirc

[plucky prairie]

who even uses shellfish claps

[civic pond]

except it actually HURTS

[smoky wagon]

Soma prime

[bitter drift]

you telling me the perforators aren't immune to confusion?

[civic pond]

Somatron

[distant gyro]

Yea but BR bosses are immune

[sand umbra]

Shred is the one DoT debuff in the game that actually matters late-game.

[civic pond]

what isn't immune to confusion though

[sand umbra]

...and yet both SCal and BR bosses are immune to it.

[civic pond]

nanites are like the most irrelevant thing i can think of

[sleek wadi]

What is even the point of DoTs if everything is immune to them

[sand umbra]

You see what I mean about these debuffs being relatively pointless--

[civic pond]

exactly

[distant gyro]

Nano bullets exists?

[bitter drift]

it's just weird that a LITTERAL PILE OF FLESH can be confused

[civic pond]

ok but really

[marble mirage]

confusion is the most pointless debuff

[civic pond]

a debuff does NOT HAVE TO BE DoT

[bitter drift]

and hurt you more then help you\

[civic pond]

[smoky wagon]

detonating flares are affected by them

which is nice i suppose

[distant gyro]

Flask of Party is better than Flask of Nanites iirc

[civic pond]

i hate that its true

[smoky wagon]

flask of gold meta

[sleek wadi]

Confusion would be pretty neat, IF YOU COULD CONFUSE ANYTHING

[civic pond]

oh god

the enemies have too high iq

[sand umbra]

See the thing of it is, Confusion requires special code.

[civic pond]

also confusion is a retarded debuff period

change my mind

[sand umbra]

So in that case I can see why it's just counted as an immunity.

[smoky wagon]

Basic fighter ai and flying ai is affected by confusion

But things with custom ai probably are not

[civic pond]

bats

[sand umbra]

It's in the case of things like FUCKING SHRED that you have to wonder why bosses are immune at all--

[smoky wagon]

what weapons even inflicted confused

[civic pond]

uh

[smoky wagon]

All i can think of is bee keeper

[civic pond]

hell if i know

[sand umbra]

[marble mirage]

dao of pow i think?

[civic pond]

probably

[smoky wagon]

which you could use in the dungeon maybe

Brain of confusion does also

[frail mantle]

melee weapons with nanite flask

[civic pond]

confusion is like half useful during events

[sand umbra]

Brain of Confusion, Dao of Pow, Bee Keeper, Nano Bullets, Flask of Nanites.

[marble mirage]

you mean probably only for the goblin army

[smoky wagon]

there are also enhanced nano rounds

[civic pond]

yeah pretty much

[smoky wagon]

i forget those exist

[marble mirage]

wait what are those

[sand umbra]

Here's what's funny.

Vanilla bosses?

[smoky wagon]

https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Enhanced_Nano_Round

[sand umbra]

For the most part, they have virtually no debuff immunities.

[signal prairie]

I forgot to update discord, I'm big dumb

[sand umbra]

The only consistent immunity is Confused.

[frail mantle]

ML is only immune to Confusion

[smoky wagon]

bosses should only be immune to debuffs that affect their movement

[marble mirage]

that uh
doesn't look all that good

[sand umbra]

Destroyer is the one boss that is immune to all debuffs.

ONE.

[plucky prairie]

because of all them segments

[smoky wagon]

worm bosses should be immune to all debuffs imo

[marble mirage]

and that was because it was super easy to break

[sand umbra]

And it's because worms + debuffs = pain to work with/balance.

[smoky wagon]

DoT stacking on every segment would be too strong

Maybe the head and tail could be affected though

[sand umbra]

AND EVEN THEN, the Eater of Worlds is affected by debuffs despite being the same type of boss.

[civic pond]

fuck destroyer period

[marble mirage]

i think the destroyer was affected by ichor at one point