weapons that dmg urself are always kinda iffy
#suggestions-discussion
smoky wagon
frail mantle
it's an interesting concept
smoky wagon
if its good enough it might make up for it
bitter drift
also is there an item you can get ONLY post ravenger
smoky wagon
ravager drops
bitter drift
no material?
smoky wagon
it could drop from jungle temple enemies after defeating ravager
frail mantle
flesh rock or something
bitter drift
mussel plates
i guess i will put it up
mussel plates
dropped by ravager 2-4 for ravager.
can be used for making weapons dropped by ravager
dungeon spike (the name of the spikes found in the dungeon is "spike")
made by: 1 spike for 1 dungeon spike at a bone welder.
does the damage of a post WoF weapon, has auto fire, pierce 6 enemies and is extremely fast firing speed.
down sides: is a consumables, does 3 damage to you when you throw one (this damage does knockback and reset adrenalin)
[the fast firing speed is kind of a debuff because you will lose much health]
what it does: throws a spike that does a lot of damage, you will damage yourself
lizard saw
made by: 100 wood spikes (those you find in the jungle temple), a mussel plate and 20 lizard bricks at a lizard furnace.
pros: does the damage of a post profaned chicken nuggets weapon, isn't a consumable, pierce every enemy and have a firing speed of 1.
cons: does 5 damage when you throw it (damage does have knockback and doesn't reset adrenalin)
what it does: throws 2 saws in a row when you fire a saw you will take damage.
is that better?
radiant meadow
why only ravager though?
smoky wagon
i would rather be able to craft drops from harder bosses first
DoG, yharon, providence
Maybe polter also
ravager isnt that hard to farm
bitter drift
when you defeat them you make new better weapons but ya i agree
radiant meadow
there's also calamitas, aquatic scourge, desert scourge, and crabulon
as well as some of slime god's drops
siren/levi have the iou and that's kinda it for them
astrum deus and aureus have starfall and nebulash respectively which cannot be crafted
sentinels drop weapons too as well as bumblebirb
bitter drift
will i be allowed to make even more suggestion? because i can't post much more before i get banned again
radiant meadow
I think it'd be better to just combine them all into 1 suggestion including the 2 you already posted
bitter drift
ok
radiant meadow
something along the lines of making boss drops craftable
radiant meadow
you don't need to give names tbh
bitter drift
for the items to craft the weapons
radiant meadow
simpler is better like maybe:
Add crafting recipes for boss drops:
Example: Ruinous Souls could be used to craft Polterghast drops.
For those who do not have an associated material, add one.
Why: Boss drops are nice to obtain, but having it decided by rng can be a real pain sometimes.
radiant meadow
it's not necessary imo
bitter drift
k
reef island
ok
someone wanna help me here
i got the Something Is Approaching message in my world
but im pre-hardmode
i know that when that is said, destroyer spawns but im pre-hardmode
reef island
eoc is dead
bitter drift
BOX
reef island
im crimson
bitter drift
BOC
bitter drift
what stage are you in
zenith hazel
not the right place to ask
zenith hazel
do it in #help-advice-read-pins or #calamity-mod-talk
reef island
thought this was calamity mod talk lmao
ivory heart
Auric Titan (mini-boss)
Spawns rarely underground after Jungle Dragon, Yharon has been defeated.
Custom AI: Tracks down the player and tries to ram into it while shooting fast orange lasers toward the player. If the Auric Titan is blocked, it shoots slower blue lasers towards the player which pass through walls. The Auric Titan can also slam into the ground if airborne, freezing the player and creating a heavy damage shockwave around it. However, this attack has a cooldown. Occasionally, the Auric Titan can teleport to the player’s position. When defeated, the Auric Titan will drop 85-140 Auric Ore in normal mode, increasing amounts in more difficult modes up to a maximum drop amount of 205 Auric Ore in Revengeance Mode.
Why: Auric Ore is limited with the size of the world, and to craft every item using Auric Ore would require ~700 of the material. Although it may be rare, it is possible to run out of Auric Ore, without using duplication methods.
smoky wagon
I would love more minibosses
smoky wagon
I mean there are slimes for all the ores
at the very least an auric slime makes sense
radiant meadow
Auric slime has been suggested many times already
smoky wagon
Yes i know
small talon
please. give. context.
void bison
Ok.
smoky wagon
suggestions need a reason
void bison
Brain of Cthulhu has the least amount of HP of the Pre-Hardmode bosses (Eye of Cthulhu and King Slime have more) and does the least damage (I think). Buffing those and slightly increasing his movement speed could make him more of a challenge.
smoky wagon
increased hp but less cheap hits
void bison
Oh I see it now.
smoky wagon
maybe it could also use a dmg buff
void bison
How about a ranged attack for Revengeance?
smoky wagon
compared to EoW its very easy
idt theres a way to add a projectile without it feeling cheap and random
considering how it teleports
smoky wagon
hive mind has minimal projectiles for example
the only ones are the lingering clouds
any others are from the summons instead, which do not teleport
void bison
I understand.
Ok I'll elaborate next suggestion I make for the mod.
Sorry for the inconvenience!
proven tide
@mortal oracle it's an omniclass set
it's supposed to provide universal buffs — think Omega Blue — and acts, essentially, as a counterpart to the Auric set
unique vector
novel pebble
Demonshade is the counterpart to auric
fervent zealot
demonshade is to auric as omega blue is to bloodflare
civic pond
that makes more sense
radiant meadow
@mortal oracle moreover, Demonshade is dedicated to Shadowspec so changes like that aren't really accepted in suggestions
Dedicated items are usually off limits unless it's like a balance issue.
radiant meadow
@lament cosmos "why not" is never a good reason. If you can't think of a good reason, then don't suggest it.
There are plenty of things to keep devs busy, so "why not" doesn't really cut it
hollow saffron
since when is the bumblebirb a "she"
radiant meadow
gender doesn't really matter regarding bumblebirbs
full bramble
bumblebutts
gaunt gazelle
true melee scal gang rise up
radiant meadow
true melee is not meant to be viable for scal
and using the minimap works fine for pinpointing their positions in my experience
queen sail
You’re not intended to true melee scal when most of the time she’s a good distance away from the player except when she’s charging
lost agate
It wouldnt be fun to have them charge at you or do the bullet explosion near you with such high dmg would it
Not to mention scal locks you in a box
Its a recipe for disaster
At least imo you know
rapid pivot
There is a difference between creating a challenging boss fight, and making something simply unfair.
It is not 'difficult' to beat SCal with True Melee; speaking as someone who has fought and beaten her (after dying 30 times), it is such an absurd idea that I can't imagine how you'd pull it off.
No amount of 'skill' will change the fact that, for huge chunks of that fight, SCal is locked in a position that is way too far away to attack with true melee.
There's a difference between it not being easy, and it simply not being viable, or practically possible.
queen delta
well i mean, we dont really consider true melee
yharon's possible with true melee, just not that easy/have to really shred him
rapid pivot
I can see how that'd at least be vaguely possible, though.
I can't see it with SCal.
like, i remember her being locked well out of true melee range for the vast majority of the fight
opaque grail
The game isnt designed for true melee
even in vanilla, pre-boss you're being given melee weapons with projectiles
by ML melee isn't even melee, it's a fancier ranged
queen delta
sub classes are just that. sub classes
theres no need to give it a weapon for every tier or make it viable for every tier
earnest raptor
The Hateful
"Inside each of us lives cruel shadows. Some void relics are able to unleash them"
Enrages foes with each hit
RIV of Excalibur
True melee weapon
The Hateful inflicts the unique stackable debuff - "Voidic Enrage" - to 10 seconds. Each debuff's stack increases damage taken by enemy by 9%, and contact damage by 10%. Debuff can stack up to 30 times (1226% damage bonus and 1644% increased contact damage); on 31th stack target will be inflicted by Demon Flames for 1 second, and stack resets to 0.
Obtaining: drops from Abyss enemies in Post-Calamitas/Post-Plantera with 0.5% chance.
Reason:
- Example of contrasting weapons: light vs. dark.
- High-risk, high-reward. You able to reach immense damage with this weapon, but if you do something wrong, you will get oneshoted by enraged enemy.
- More variety for true melee weapons.
queen delta
yes, true melee gets cucked by SCal, but that doesnt mean the entire brothers phase has to be revamped to cater to true melee
earnest raptor
Good suggestion?
placid moth
I'd stick with striking moment for a damage buff ngl
earnest raptor
Striking Moment doesn't have penalty in increased contact damage.
earnest raptor
Edited.
proven tide
isn't the dark opposite of the excalibur literally the night's edge?
queen delta
Yes but excalibur is easier to craft lol
sleek wadi
True melee weapon
Has an on-swing projectile
signal prairie
^
spark flax
i like it tbh
feels like it might be a bit too weak as is tho if it has the same slow swing rate as night's edge
lost agate
Holy fuck thats a lot of extra dmg
I dont think one debuff is enough reward for that
Its basically "just dont get hit" but its true melee, and you know how that ends up
signal prairie
DAD mode true melee when
earnest raptor
I dont think one debuff is enough reward for that
Debuff, that takes down a 7.5k HP on successful combo, is not good enough?
distant gyro
I think it sounds more like too good
radiant meadow
RIVs are almost always the same tier
with a few exceptions being 1-tier apart being Grand Dad and Void Vortex
distant gyro
but also not so practical at the same times kinda
radiant meadow
post-Plant/Clone already has several true melee options
including Feralthorn Claymore, Terra-cotta, Hellkite, and Greentide Sword
placid moth
I mean, we all love void ideas, don't we
distant gyro
It could also be a RIV of True Night's ngl
placid moth
^
earnest raptor
Changed.
placid moth
What if it ends up like the Halibut
radiant meadow
I don't think melee even needs more weapons at that tier in all honesty
earnest raptor
Edited, but nerfed damage.
distant gyro
Remind me how many melee weapons are at that tier again? Like 23?
earnest raptor
What if it ends up like the Halibut
The Hateful is too close-ranged for Halibut-level weapon.
radiant meadow
it sounds pretty impractical anyways
distant gyro
yea
earnest raptor
Changed.
radiant meadow
only way you'll survive 1000% increased dmg from Levi's body slam is with jam
earnest raptor
Now it's post-ML 
earnest raptor
Removed.
radiant meadow
and then there's the no real need to add stats since we'll just balance it anyways
earnest raptor
It's bug me, when my suggestions doesn't have stats.
Feel like I can feel power of this.
radiant meadow
but if it's post moon lord, it should be useful I guess since 1644% of 0 is 0 
earnest raptor
140*17.44=2442
Ouch.
I just realized, that Provi doesn't have contact damage...
distant gyro
make it post-polter like the rest 
placid moth
If you are worried about Providence, then I suggest making the player take more damage, like how RTN and DSA is like, but with added i-frames and possible speed boost ?
earnest raptor
Changed.
placid moth
I can't wait to see how this would work on Yharon with the Silva Armor, as well as the revive buffs from God Slayer and 1 hp, 10 seconds invincibility from Silva.
placid moth
Well, I can fully run DSA RTN and this weapon then.
median flume
Lol idk
placid moth
^
distant gyro
seriously
placid moth
If you don't have a reason, don't.
distant gyro
a suggestion for no reason
full bramble
death pbg is fun as is
median flume
It would be a nice feature.
placid moth
That's not a reason
I could argue for Fishron to have deathrays and say "it's a nice feature"
distant gyro
I wouldn't want feature repeated 3 times, all very close together in progression
median flume
okay, I’m just y’know... suggesting something
it won’t happen regardless, but it’s my opinion
radiant meadow
suggestions should have a reason
and "why not" or something along those lines is not a reason
median flume
Alright hear me out.
As the tyrant king, Yharim should program the thick boi plague bringers to shoot lasers
distant gyro
median flume
The king expects perfection.
distant gyro
ew lasers though, of all things
lost agate
median flume
I mean it’s a robot
distant gyro
note that provi literally have the same attack of Moon Lord already
distant gyro
3 bosses having literally the same attack would be boring
more so when they're close together in progression
median flume
in that case
modest sage
should the ice shield in the siren's heart accessory have a damage number it can take before it breaks
like if you dont take more than 100 damage it shouldnt break but otherwise it would
lost agate
Demonshade is already useful smh
If anything, making it class specific would nerf it
You would be surprised of just how much boss melting in BR people do with demonshade
radiant meadow
someone literally just posted this yesterday
lost agate
O
young fog
vrunga
placid girder
I think most people who post about demonshade being underpowered don't know about the enrage
autumn lion
demonshade is just a glass cannon armor
mystic sandal
Demonshade gives you a choice
Want a glass cannon set? Pick demonshade
Want a more well-rounded set for your class? Pick auric tesla
sand umbra
^
mystic sandal
And giving it class helmets would nerf the item, the whole point is for a generalist set
sand umbra
Demonshade is the one that lets you rip everything a new asshole.
Auric Tesla is the one that lets you actually survive while ripping everything a somewhat less impressive new asshole.
tired haven
I believe the idea of buffing demonshade also comes from the fact auric by itself is extremely powerful offensively set, so the enrage is outshadowed due to unholy decrease in your survivability
The damage gain from enraged demonshade is not that great compared to auric, but you miss out on 1.5 revives and lifesteal
sand umbra
Auric Tesla is much more class-oriented than Demonshade and coupled with God Slayer + Silva revives + all the survivability on the planet, it's easy to see why Auric Tesla can be preferable to Demonshade even in endgame scenarios.
mystic sandal
Yeah
Take SCal
If you’re good at dodging, you could use Demonshade in the boss rush
ashen warren
imagine enrage on doggo
mystic sandal
But if you’re not as good at dodging, then Auric Tesla is your best bit
tired haven
I am good at dodging but still prefer auric because getting oneshot isn't much nice
sand umbra
Personally I'd still use Auric Tesla even for nohit purposes anyway because of all the class-specific bonuses it provides.
Having the set bonuses of four different armors for my class is pretty 
mystic sandal
Tl;dr demonshade glass cannon, auric tesla well-rounded
tired haven
Fairly sure only for mage demonshade is anything close to optimal
Every other class has really strong bonuses from auric parts
Welllllll, maybe ranger also likes demonshade more
crystal osprey
As a ranger Dave I can say for certain that auric is better for ranger all around
placid moth
Does Summoner like Demonshade more ?
ashen warren
its on the auric side iirc
radiant meadow
demonshade doesn't count as a summoner set iirc
so it'll get reduced dmg with immat
zenith hazel
auric tesla is generally better tbh
distant gyro
Fair enough, Auric now levels hard with Demonshade
zenith hazel
I think it’s better to have boosts to a specific class than to have all-rounded boosts
distant gyro
Auric grants more summoner slots (whilst having silva activated and full health), has rogue stealth, etc
zenith hazel
yeah, scarlet + auric is an :ambergasm:
ivory heart
Server suggestion: Suggestor
Awarded by the developers (or whoever checks suggestions with over 90 stars) to members that make well-rounded, convincing suggestion after suggestion. They act as role models for future suggestors or for people that just want to add their own thoughts.
Why: one third of suggestions in #suggestions-voting are in, my opinion, lacking. Having a suggestor role would show new members how suggestions are to be structured while also encouraging them to make well-made suggestions.
void kelp
I’d remove the “make them wholesome” part
ivory heart
why
void kelp
it’s unnecessary
ivory heart
Encouragement through observation
void kelp
reasonable is also redundant; “well-made” will suffice imo
signal prairie
I like that
ivory heart
Is it good
radiant meadow
there's not really a suggestion team
ivory heart
ok
terse sundial
I feel like a "suggester" role would have both positive and negative effects
signal prairie
Relentless DM's i see being a problem
terse sundial
yes, a positive would be that it helps to show new people how to get into submitting decent suggestions, but it may have some problems especially seeing has how most roles on this sever are in regards to trust in a way.
idle yarrow
Custom Boss HealthBars for: Desert Scourge, Hive Mind/Perforators, Slime God, Cryogen, Brimstone Elemental, Aquatic Scourge, Calamitas, Astrum Deus, Providence, The Profaned Goddess, A special for health bar for all three Sentinels, Devourer of Gods, Jungle Dragon, Yharon, Supreme Calamitas
signal prairie
Maybe just give someone with the role a fancy color, and make sure that it can be taken away aswell?
terse sundial
although only me, termi, rover, and pixl send suggestions in
idk how to feel about it
signal prairie
I can definitely see your concern
terse sundial
its nice, but also its got problems that outweigh that reward
terse sundial
what would they look like?
void kelp
why, too
terse sundial
any concept ideas?
idle yarrow
I don't know
terse sundial
a why would be good also
idle yarrow
Really I just thought it fit well
Since the new update and all
I can try to work some concepts out if i can find the boss health bar sprite
teal ibex
the problem with a suggestor role is that it would likely have the exact opposite effect to what you're intending
people would see the role and start making suggestions left and right to try and get the role instead of actually making suggestions to improve the mod
terse sundial
yeah
signal prairie
yeah, that would not be fun to deal with
teal ibex
it's really just another reason for people to use #suggestions-voting as a point of attention seeking, unfortunately
hollow saffron
well then only give it to people who actually contribute
terse sundial
although, the four of us can see though bullshit suggestions, but still it may lead to flooding of suggestions
idle yarrow
where would the boss health bar sprite be located
signal prairie
Just only accept the serious ones
hollow saffron
^
teal ibex
if we want to have more quality suggestions, we really should impose some more limitations on the channel imo so that people have to be more picky about what's input
signal prairie
^
terse sundial
we don't want suggestions to be flooded constantly though
zenith hazel
imposing limitations would be pretty hard considering how not everyone reads pins
teal ibex
can't you impose a significant slow mode?
idle yarrow
XultroniX Franswal Digging through the sewage isn't fun
teal ibex
or does it restrict to like, an hour
terse sundial
I can't, we would have to get an admin to do it
teal ibex
and regardless, you can create bots to log information and moderate the channel based upon that
idle yarrow
They do
signal prairie
Slow mode can reach 6 hours
terse sundial
I still feel like it would spark an influx of suggestions just to get the role
void kelp
in #help-advice-read-pins people still don’t read the pins
hollow saffron
and have it so that you have to react to the message indictating that you have read the pins
in order to suggest
zenith hazel
forcing pins to be read could be a solution
hollow saffron
^
teal ibex
you can't force people to read
terse sundial
even that doesn't completely solve the problem
teal ibex
believe me, many people have tried many many times
terse sundial
mhm
teal ibex
the only way you can get people to actually verify they've read pins is if you literally give them a quiz at the end
hollow saffron
"you cant force people to read"
hello sir do you know what #rules is and what happenes if you break it
teal ibex
the people who don't care to read already are still not going to read if they just have to add a reaction
yeah, condescending and cute
people break the rules regularly, it's literally a prime example of this exact behavior
idle yarrow
Hey would you know extracted mods go to?
teal ibex
pins of individual channels are just subcategories of rules
hollow saffron
at least make a role that bans people from talking in #suggestions-voting if they make too many low-effort submissions
teal ibex
and thusly have the exact same issue, but amplified
idle yarrow
Neverminds
teal ibex
there already is suggestions bans
hollow saffron
k
teal ibex
they're just not enforced strictly
because let's be honest, having bad ideas isn't really a crime and it's entirely subjective, so most of the time it's a muddy mess to ban from #suggestions-voting
hollow saffron
well bad ideas != suggesting just to get a role
teal ibex
you can't assume intent
terse sundial
sometimes it does though
hollow saffron
isnt that why suggestions need a reason?
and im not assuming
lmao where did you get that from
teal ibex
i'm not saying you are, i'm just saying you can't
people can 100% retroactively create reasoning for an idea that they already presupposed
you can't know for sure which way they design their suggestions
hollow saffron
hectiquex, i'm well aware that you cant assume someone else's actions
teal ibex
so yeah, bad suggestions aren't always seeking a role, but they also will have some amount of correlation
hollow saffron
but the real question now is,
idle yarrow
Its a bad idea in general xultronix
hollow saffron
how wold you know if someone is suggesting genuinely
terse sundial
its a good idea, it just has negative consequences
hollow saffron
or is it impossible
teal ibex
it's subjective
terse sundial
it all depends
hollow saffron
yeah
zenith hazel
if the suggestion is meant to benefit the mod in general, not just the person suggesting it
void kelp
It’d probably be obvious if someone sends in a bunch of meme suggestions
teal ibex
that which benefits the mod varies from person to person, though
zenith hazel
and/or the suggestion is well thought-out, clear, well-formatted, etc.
civic pond
also making one good suggestion alone doesn't mean that much
teal ibex
so you can pretty easily set aside the ones that aren't good, but pinpointing ones that are is a little eh
also ngl this role would also encourage being "trendy" with suggestions
terse sundial
besides, currently I've only got 3 people in mind who would actually get that role rn
hollow saffron
trendy?
civic pond
oh lord
zenith hazel
providab tbh
teal ibex
ever since yata made good points about bossfights a bunch of other peeps hopped on the bandwagon
terse sundial
yeah
zenith hazel
Yata too
void kelp
eg. whenever adir gives a suggestion there’s a train of them after
hollow saffron
oh
teal ibex
see colored role make suggestions, copypasta mode
radiant meadow
oh god trends are terrible
zenith hazel
adir is like the pioneer to questionable trends
void kelp
it hurts to see
terse sundial
Yata's good, but people just jump on the boss change suggestions and they just get flooded in
its really annoying
hollow saffron
isnt that against the pins tho
void kelp
yata’s are well thought out
zenith hazel
he started the slime rain thing months ago and recently, yoyos
civic pond
except yata actually has common sense
void kelp
but then the following ones are always like,,
hollow saffron
slime rain what
void kelp
“buff boss because I said so”
civic pond
NERF (insert boss) ITS TOO HARD
hollow saffron
lmao
terse sundial
because yata has spent time learning this mod and has proof to show it
zenith hazel
tons of slime rain suggestions were being made like 2-3 months ago iirc
radiant meadow
Yoyo trends literally got obliterator buffed and that's it
civic pond
there was a period of a shitton of yoyo suggestions
terse sundial
yeah
radiant meadow
and imo, it needs a little nerf but whatever
zenith hazel
most of the time, they were questionable
terse sundial
a suggester role would just enhance that imo
void kelp
imo when it comes to difficulty altering suggestions I take the ones from people with nohit roles with a lot more consideration
zenith hazel
it would potentially exacerbate someone's ego tbh
void kelp
since they’ve shown that they have experience with the mod
teal ibex
i can see why you'd give nohitters more consideration but don't forget that they make up a very small portion of the userbase
void kelp
yeah
teal ibex
it's equally important to consider those who are unskilled as well
zenith hazel
yeah, it's less than 1% probably
terse sundial
popular suggester suggest a brand new-well thought out change, all of a sudden 30 more people join in with similar suggestion
civic pond
Isn't this why we have blue checks
hollow saffron
imagine only taking suggestions from crabbar, mishirousui, and hectique
civic pond
ech
terse sundial
yes and no doge
zenith hazel
I think suggestions that take relatively minimal effort to implement can be good too, were they to benefit the mod
teal ibex
minimal effort should be the majority of #suggestions-voting
terse sundial
I'm referring to boss suggestions with this one as an example, yata makes a good point, all of a sudden 20 more boss suggestions pop up in suggestions in the following week
teal ibex
#suggestions-voting isn't a channel for overhauling and redesigning the mod, it's for making contributions to improve it in some way
i think that's often lost on people
terse sundial
yeah
civic pond
I think most suggestions i don't consider are those meant for personal preference
hollow saffron
redesigning the mod would take more effort than implementing and coding 500 exo weapons
zenith hazel
well yeah, most people don't like that
hollow saffron
with the amount of content in it
zenith hazel
you have to be objective and general when it comes to suggesting
think about how others would feel were this to actually be something in the mod
terse sundial
small suggestions are the ones that get in the mod most btw
zenith hazel
would this help alleviate some problems with the mod or would they have an undesirable effect?
civic pond
Weapon suggestions and most boss changes are kind of a lost cause to me
zenith hazel
like this
zenith hazel
it's simple and it's gonna be beneficial to a lot of players
void kelp
that one is sexy
civic pond
👌
void kelp
it’s phrased better than my suggestion of the same idea
civic pond
Wasn't there a similar suggestion like that about cryogen as well?
its projectiles being hard to see or something
zenith hazel
most weapon suggestions can be either good but barely get any stars or bad and also barely get any stars
void kelp
I think it fits better as a “twilight” thing when provi is in cocoon
providab’s summon weaps are always good to see imo
zenith hazel
I think people who actually do suggest things should do more research too
terse sundial
well, there is a reason for that
zenith hazel
think about why something was done and if it was done for a reason
civic pond
yeah..
void kelp
summon AI
zenith hazel
referring to the influx of people suggesting the ability to combine lore items so as to save inventory space
civic pond
I try not to suggest unless i really see something that could use a change
terse sundial
if an extremely unique weapon is suggested that is generally a really fun concept, yeah, it defiantly has a higher chance of getting in
civic pond
flail
hollow saffron
more ranged guns
zenith hazel
I've only suggested one thing but it got drowned out
terse sundial
mechs are 100% up for debate rn
void kelp
I think so long as it’s well written and reasonable
civic pond
Well im in the middle of fighting them all
So im not completely uneducated about them
terse sundial
when us testers get a chance to play them, then we will figure it out
zenith hazel
I wanted to the fishron fight to be a bit more bearable for summoners but then it got drowned out by a ton of weapon suggestions
zenith hazel
wanted the sharks to be immune to a debuff caused by statis
radiant meadow
weapon suggestions are not always a lost cause though btw
terse sundial
mhm
civic pond
not always.
zenith hazel
well yeah, there's sometimes a good weapon
radiant meadow
there's a good chance that some weapons in the future will be based off of some suggestions
zenith hazel
mostly from the people who are actually knowledgeable about the mod tbh
radiant meadow
said suggestion might be really old by now but that's beside the point
terse sundial
its nice for generating ideas
terse sundial
nerfed next update
zenith hazel
well twins and prime are getting nerfed next update anyway
civic pond
twins and prime?
terse sundial
yeah
zenith hazel
terse sundial
to conclude this though, I like the idea of a suggester role, it just has too many problems with it to work well.
tired haven
Isn't that kinda as controversial as downvote button on suggestions?
May work but is too likely to cause greater issues
terse sundial
the role or the mech bosses?
hollow shell
Probably the role cuz it has to do with suggestions
queen delta
Yeah im not a fan of this
hollow saffron
isnt the ❕ already kind of a downvote button
foggy kindle
Nah, that's just what people thinks
hollow shell
I feel like adding the role wouldn't change anything
If the role is just handed out as a reward for good suggesters, I don't think that's gonna do much to mitigate bad suggestions
queen delta
In fact, it would only cause competitiveness and useless suggestions as others suggest for the sake of getting the role
terse sundial
i just feel like it would cause an influx of people hopping on to bandwaggons
queen delta
I suggest because i got a new idea and wanted to improve the server, not because i want “big boy suggestion points”
radiant meadow
@hollow saffron the ❕ is NOT a downvote button
hollow shell
The most important part of a suggestion is the "Why"
If your only reason is "iunno I think it'd be cool" then you should not post the suggestion
(there's already a pin about this but it's still important)
hollow saffron
ok @radiant meadow
hollow shell
I mean
I personally use ❕ as an "invalid suggestion" button rather than a "bad suggestion" button
radiant meadow
just remove the stars then 
hollow shell
There's plenty of ❕ I've removed reluctantly while thinking "I don't agree with it but it's still valid"
radiant meadow
there's also some borderline stuff
hollow shell
Speaking of which
@median flume Could you add a reason why to your suggestion?
Reading back earlier it seemed like your reasoning was "lol idk" but I'd like for you to try and add something to the suggestion itself via editing
median flume
I’ll revoke that thought
radiant meadow
then delete the suggestion next time
hollow shell
(unless he meant he's revoking "lol idk" and he'll come up with a reason)
@mystic sandal "Cosmic Kunai-esque weapon for melee"
so, Fetid Baghnaks, Mycelial Claws, Mantis Claws, Arkhalis, Murasama etc?
mystic sandal
i meant that in terms of melee at post-polterghast
hollow shell
Add that
mystic sandal
done
hollow shell
Thanks
mystic sandal
no problem
void kelp
time stop sounds op
mystic sandal
a time stop ability would actually work great with a stellar knife upgrade
like, you can stop any enemy that isn't a boss for a few seconds
mystic sandal
the other 295 seconds are still frozen in time
because after 5 minutes 1 second has passed
bitter topaz
@pearl patrol no meme suggestions please
radiant meadow
can y'all not react with the Face please
worthy raptor
elder mist
bitter topaz
lomp please
ancient dragon
It got removed immediately anyway. 
radiant meadow
@zealous copper why though?
most weapons as it stands have little to no relation to the lore
zealous copper
True, but when the post-SCal content is added, going at Yharim with a gun from another universe seems a little out there.
As it stands its a suggestion.
radiant meadow
as though shooting down yharon with a wand that fires magnet spheres out of nowhere doesn't seem a little out there?
zealous copper
It's a little more reasonable.
radiant meadow
reason is very subjective
zealous copper
True.
tired haven
Terraria never had one style
Neither did calamity
I don't think separating items is anything of a worthy concern
radiant meadow
separating items is just unnecessary work for the developers anyways
it's weird for people to donate on patron and then tell them that their donor items aren't going to be a part of base Calamity but instead, another mod
zealous copper
I think my main concern is that all the current endgame items are Patreon or dev items.
I'm overthinking it, it just came as it went.
Just my two cents is all.
radiant meadow
shadowspec tier is supposed to be only dev items
shadowspec bars themselves are a dev item
and a majority of auric tier items aren't patron items
mystic sandal
the only item i can think of that is related to lore is tyrant yharim's ultisword
oh and exoblade
but besides those two
there's nothing else for weapons with lore
tired haven
I mean, things like onyxia won't fit lore for a reason it is lore, not complete history of a world in 1000 tomes
tired haven
And in that particular case, it is cool gun that is an upgrade of another cool gun
Not everything has a "greatest" purpose
There is common stuff, too
queen sail
@zealous copper I’m late as fuck but that whole “going at yharim with the warframe reference” thing isn’t happening
She has the dev items because she’s the last for now, eventually xeroc will have them
If anything, they’ll probably just give shadowspec to yharim
crystal osprey
Not that I've experienced
crystal osprey
Minigun conserves more ammo, and deals more dpz against dog, frost/pumpkin moon, and yharon
crystal osprey
Perhaps I'm using it incorrectky but I've done many ranger runs and I always love sdfmg more in concept but minigun outshines it
Could be wrong though I suppose
Guess we'll see how many updoots it gets to see if public agrees
civic pond
although i think increasing rockets rate might be a little much
plucky prairie
what exactly does reacting with ❕ mean in #suggestions-voting
is it something along the lines of it needing improvement?
crystal osprey
Dark Lance doesn't make much sense thematically
civic pond
it means it hasn't been reviewed by a mod i think
plucky prairie
ah
civic pond
crystal osprey
Since dark Lance isnt made with several weaons from different biomes
crystal osprey
I like the idea of a nights Lance though
But alot of items needed to be added
Since iirc there is just the rotted fork that would be in the recipe
plucky prairie
good point
crystal osprey
Maybe trident counts idk
plucky prairie
eh the trident is just kinda some random ocean item
crystal osprey
True
crystal osprey
What would be really nice though, is a nights, terra, and elemental yoyo
plucky prairie
true
smoky wagon
terra lance’s simple recipe i find perferable
Having an easy to get terra melee after your first plant kill is helpful
civic pond
also dark lance is already in a recipe iirc
smoky wagon
it makes some magic weapon which has no reason to exist
civic pond
also true
smoky wagon
distant gyro
oh ye
plucky prairie
the recipe that dark lance is used in is a magic weapon
civic pond
i see nothing wrong with that
civic pond
why have a melee weapon in a recipe for a magic weapon
plucky prairie
its pointless
smoky wagon
crimsaber got removed from the mod
civic pond
distant gyro
smoky wagon
Demonic pitchfork should get a revamp or be removed imo
smoky wagon
it feels like a tremor mod weapon in calamity
tired haven
I believe crimsaber was the first wep to be deleted in ages
civic pond
rip crimsaber
distant gyro
why have a melee weapon in a recipe for a magic weapon
Is this a diss against Apotheosis @ terry
civic pond
honestly yes
smoky wagon
pitchfork next
civic pond
distant gyro
civic pond
i never see anyone use pitchfork honestly
tired haven
I don't see anything particularly wrong with weps changing classes after upgrade
smoky wagon
people forget it exists
tired haven
It's because it doesn't have a purpose
smoky wagon
remember that a flamethrower gets used to make a vampire knives upgrade
civic pond
personally i think an upgrade line should stick to one damage type, but thats just me
zenith hazel
I didn't even know it existed
civic pond
oh god thats right
distant gyro
Pitchfork is essentially the worse Infernal Rift last I checked
tired haven
Uhh
smoky wagon
unholy trident is a vanilla weapon already
tired haven
They are not similar weapons
distant gyro
Demonic pitchfork that is*
plucky prairie
wacky
smoky wagon
Which is why i find it confusing
civic pond
Wtf is infernal rift
distant gyro
Sky Fracture 2
smoky wagon
sky fracture upgrade
tired haven
If smth I would compare pitchfork to another useless wep called Venom Staff
smoky wagon
demonic pitchfork and unholy trident
distant gyro
Unholy trident uwo
smoky wagon
i see no redundancy
smoky wagon
also the pitchfork recipe is weird iirc
Like dark lance+true shadow scales and nothing else
civic pond
now that I think about it
smoky wagon
smoky wagon
storm dragoon kills polter quicker than seadragon
civic pond
really?
distant gyro
btw
smoky wagon
according to a reliable source
radiant meadow
Well it was only one test
radiant meadow
Results could change if I did like 10 tests with each weapon
distant gyro
Ranger weapon testing meme
radiant meadow
Both were pretty solid though
tired haven
Storm Dragoon is here for when you don't have materials for Seadragon
smoky wagon
i feel like the storm could be decent for something
civic pond
fair point
distant gyro
Claret Cannon, Arterial Assault, Nettlevine Greatbow, Telluric Glare are like big piles of weapons ngl
zenith hazel
storm could be decent for CV iirc
distant gyro
kinda overwhelming honestly but okay
distant gyro
Oh ye Nettlevine is buffed
radiant meadow
Claret Cannon was decent too
smoky wagon
Telluric is a big meme for farming providence
radiant meadow
Also, Spyker is like hot
distant gyro
Not saying that they're bad, but why are there masses of them
civic pond
they're all clumped together into the same tier?
distant gyro
When all just kinda works against sentinels anyway
radiant meadow
A gun and a bow for uelibloom and bloodflare sets
smoky wagon
whats wrong with options when they are all good
distant gyro
Can't they be post-polter or sth
distant gyro
I mean, wouldn't it be better post-pol since bloodflare
and also the 3 staves/phantom heart treatment
If you know what i mean
smoky wagon
mourningstar should be post polter
civic pond
mourningstar
smoky wagon
it makes no sense where it is
smoky wagon
No i am
civic pond
then do it
distant gyro
Mourningstar post-provi tbh
smoky wagon
i will when im at my laptop
distant gyro
Reminder that there's a gap of Flails between Cultist and DoG
civic pond
2 solar eruptions?
smoky wagon
ssh
distant gyro
foggy kindle
Lol
civic pond
ech fine
smoky wagon
if you dont like it have it one solar eruption
civic pond
Makes more sense
smoky wagon
but i liked the idea of two
civic pond
but yeah i think mourning star post polter would make a viable weapon against devourer
queen sail
Broke: Using Mourningstar to get two Solar Eruptions
Woke: Wielding two separate Solar Eruptions at once using Dual Wielding
distant gyro
But then solar erup/nebulash vs polter intensifying
civic pond
Wielding two seperate mourningtars to get 4 solar eruptions
queen sail
civic pond
foggy kindle
Stop right there
civic pond
alright time to suggest
cyan lagoon
isn't it still technically one
distant gyro
yea
civic pond
ech
queen sail
Why can only one solar eruption projectile be out anyways
civic pond
im gonna try typing it
queen sail
Is it because of redcode
civic pond
Move Mourningstar to post polterghast. Crafted using 1 solar eruption, 3 Cores of calamity, and 2 ruinous souls.
The reason for this is because Mourningstars placement at the moment doesn't make much sense. And in revengance is pretty much outdone by cosmic discharge. Having be post polter would also make it a viable weapon for the devourer.
how does this look so far
smoky wagon
2 ruinous souls
civic pond
oop
smoky wagon
since the mage staves use two
zenith hazel
flail only playthrough would still be insane
smoky wagon
mention bad progression for flails post ml currently
zenith hazel
have fun killing provi and polter with SE
smoky wagon
moving mourninstar would improve it
smoky wagon
civic pond
distant gyro
And the chain knife grind early game
civic pond
Chain knife is the apex of shitty weapons
distant gyro
But you have to use it for the worm
Sad.
smoky wagon
Wooden yoyo unironically good
distant gyro
yea
civic pond
distant gyro
vanilla doesn't like autoswing
distant gyro
At least in phm
civic pond
i dont think anyone enjoys repeatedly clicking for 10 minutes
smoky wagon
Calamity mod puts autoswing onto so many weapons that the people who originally made the weapon pages on the wiki didnt know how to properly label a wepaon as “non-autoswing”
so i had to fix it
distant gyro
civic pond
lol
digital shuttle
can we get a "promotion" channel for us Terraria streamers or content creators?
frail mantle
you mean like a channel where people can advertise new videos and/or streams?
digital shuttle
yes
idle yarrow
I wish i could make a mockup of desert scourge health bar but im to bad at pixel art
digital shuttle
unless i there's one i just don't know of, there really isn't a community for terraria on twitch, i know there's a few big terraria youtubers that have great communities, but i think if there were a place here to advertise ourselves who do stream terraria, we could help bring together a good community on twitch for terraria.
digital shuttle
just an idea that might help bring these creators together and introduce some people here to there content
ivory heart
Terra Blaster
Crafted from the Titanium Railgun, the Musket or Undertaker, 15 Hallowed Bars, 3 of each Mechanical Soul (Might, Sight, and Fright) and 6 Living Shards.
Shoots two high-velocity bullets, purple and red, a bright yellow medium-velocity laser, and a green homing rocket. The laser pierces two enemies, exploding on the third hit, and the rocket will explode on contact with an enemy or block.
Why: So far, there is no Terra gun weapon. I already suggested a weapon like this, but that was when I didn’t really know how to suggest stuff and it didn’t really get noticed.
hollow saffron
if you need a ton of terra stuff get thorium
worthy fiber
Just disable Lethal Lava anyways
queen sail
@misty plinth lethal lava config exists
radiant meadow
you can disable lethal lava burn in the configuration files thus "removing" that mechanic
misty plinth
If you can change it in the config files there's no point in having it in the mod
Why even bother
misty plinth
What's false?
misty plinth
Have it be the original potion by default
I didn't even know you could change it until now
left crest
Yeah you can along with many other things
radiant meadow
the config defaults to true and that probably isn't going to change
misty plinth
Ugh so many questionable design choices in this mod tbh
radiant meadow
If you want to know what else can be disabled/enabled, you can check the Configuration options page on the wiki
fresh harbor
It's made that way so the lava protection accessories don't get completely ignored in favor of a potion
I believe it's a good change, tbh
hollow shell
Obsidian Rose is no longer useless 
fresh harbor
You now have an incentive to go after lava charms!
fresh harbor
*Before angel treads, so you can gather hellstone safely
Good observation
hollow saffron
you now have an incentive to get imksushi's mod
ivory heart
Rename suggestions to suggestions_read_pins and suggestions_discussion to suggestions_discussion_read_pins
queen delta
people arent gonna read pins even if it was in the channel name
we learned this with #bugs-read-pins and #help-advice-read-pins
hollow saffron
^
bitter drift
frosty frost
nerf DoG. or fix the AI of the bg change with the lasers because they aren't coordinated, and he'll charge while you're doing the correct thing for the color shown.
hollow shell
Are you very sure about that?
It's possible but you should test thoroughly to make sure you're not just getting unlucky
(Also it'd help if you elaborated more or reworded a bit. It took me a second to realize what you were trying to say)
frosty frost
I don't know for sure but it's like the background isn't syncing with his attacks or the AI isn't syncing correctly with the background color change for the phases. When flying as the bg is pink, he still charges, and when it's blue he's so close to the character that you can't really dodge anything or you get killed almost instantly.
I've probably attempted to fight him about 6 or 7 times at this point, maybe more I wasn't keeping count, but those things were preventing me from killing him. I've gotten to roughly 35% hp almost every single time because of this.
Not above 40% and not below 35%
hollow shell
If possible, you should record one of your attempts and see if you can capture it happening
If there is something desyncing his behavior from his background it could go in #bugs-read-pins, because that's not intended.
frosty frost
I can try to record the next time I fight him, probably tomorrow I'll have time.
If it keeps de syncing I'll report it there
hollow shell
Alright
proven tide
@mossy light holy fuck is that formatting necessary?
you've taken up something like ten to twelve messages' worth of space
also, you become immune to the on fire debuff as soon as you get the ankh shield, no?
haha yes post-dog weapon gives the player -4 hp per second
also what's with that propertea thing at the end
novel pebble
Jesus christ that formatting
proven tide
@wary lark do you have any screenshots/recordings of that?
queen delta
Actually i can confirm it happens
wary lark
Screenshot is the best I can offer, but I'm not sure how to demonstrate that
queen delta
As long as you’re collecting enough, youll get more than you lose
wary lark
Let me check, I'm going to throw a 100 xeroc pitchforks and screenshot it
From 100 to 105
I also removed accessories, none of them were technically affecting it, but just in case
bitter drift
radiant meadow
@proven tide ankh charm/shield actually doesn't give on fire debuff immunity
(not sure about asgard's valor/asgardian aegis)
@mossy light it looks like an immediate upgrade to the sdfmg which is the same tier
an upgrade at the same tier is generally not ideal
bitter drift
what do you think of a weapon that does enemy damage for more power?
bitter drift
mot meaning that
autumn lion
adir you mean when you take a hit your weapon deals more damage ?
autumn lion
honestly i don't know if a weapon like that exists
bitter drift
and with the stats i think for it it will be strange
high damage fast firing
self damage that will do all of the effects that a normal hit does
and weapon like it is the martian pistol
tawdry magnet
how does the instant kill with god slayer work?
crystal osprey
Scal yeets you if you don't take a certain amount of damage per hit
crystal osprey
And since gidslayer effectively counteracts a hit, she yeets you for godslayer
radiant meadow
god slayer melee?
it only reduces damage to 1 if you take less than 80 damage
and if you take less than 100, scal calls anti cheat so you would've died anyways
queen sail
She only instant kills if you take less than 100-80 damage
hollow saffron
that moment when you have to take off the soul of eternity because scal instakills you when its on
queen sail
If the “reduce damage to one” bonus happens, then you have too much defense
radiant meadow
I don't see what issue the suggestion is aiming to fix
bitter drift
dungeon spike (the name of the spikes found in the dungeon is "spike")
made by: 1 spike for 1 dungeon spike at a bone welder.
does the damage of a post WoF weapon, has auto fire, pierce 6 enemies and is extremely fast firing speed.
down sides: is a consumables, does 3 damage to you when you throw one (this damage does knockback add rage and reset adrenalin)
[the fast firing speed is kind of a debuff because you will lose so much health]
what it does: throws a spike that does a lot of damage, you will damage yourself
lizard saw
made by: 100 wood spikes (those you find in the jungle temple), infernal blood and 40 lizard bricks at a lizard furnace.
pros: does the damage of a post profaned chicken nuggets weapon, isn't a consumable, pierce every enemy and have a firing speed of 1.
cons: does 5 damage when you throw it (damage does have knockback add rage and reset adrenalin)
what it does: throws 2 saws in a row, when you throw a saw you will take damage.
this was my powerful weapons but you take damage when use it suggestion i didn't release it because i don't think it's finished and i need more criticism, maybe can you help me?
hollow saffron
why should it do damage
bitter drift
wdym
placid moth
why should this exist though
hollow saffron
why should it do damage to the player
bitter drift
look at the vage stats i put to this weapon
civic pond
my suggestion was drowned again 
bitter drift
your icon is soo relating to what you feel
civic pond
also is there a "why" to that suggestion
zealous ridge
it’s good my only gripe with it is that it wouldn’t fit with the post-dog moon lord weapon upgrades anymore but that’s a minor thing
Because like there’s only one other one 
bitter drift
well i find slime god and the lunar pillars more of a trouble then they should be with this powerful class
rapid pivot
How do you all feel about this suggestion?
Suggestion: Make flying mount descriptions similar to wings, in the sense that they show the speed, flight time, etc of their mount.
Why: It is rather hard to compare mounts to wings outright, and some of those mounts can be very useful. This would help judge a mount's versatility/speed/efficacy.
hollow saffron
or you could just look at the wiki
bitter drift
i think only the bee mount have a limited flight time
rapid pivot
Pigron.
bitter drift
nope
placid moth
I don't think anyone would use mounts over wings though
civic pond
cute fishron
hollow saffron
pigron you can look at the terraria official wiki
placid moth
Except for Jellybean, I guess ?
hollow saffron
brimrose
civic pond
honestly the only infinite flight mount i use
slime mount and cute fishron is all i ever use
bitter drift
i use unicorn
any way back to my suggestion is there some thing i should add to them, are they OP or weak anything problematic with these suggestion?
hollow saffron
everything.
placid moth
^
bitter drift
well this was a
rapid pivot
the thing is, the fact that it doesn't let you build adrenaline automatically makes it inferior to most other weps that don't have any such drawback
bitter drift
but it also gives rage
rapid pivot
yeah; 5 damage at a time's worth
queen sail
Who uses rage’s damage buff
rapid pivot
comparatively, adrenaline only takes 45-20 seconds to fill, depending on progression
quite frankly, adrenaline is going to fill way, way before rage
hollow saffron
^
queen sail
Adrenaline is much easier to build than rage
radiant meadow
it could just subtract health
queen sail
Because it’s automatic
radiant meadow
similarly to lucrecia and thorn blossom
bitter drift
ok guess it is a
radiant meadow
and astral injection
hollow saffron
the only time rage ever fills fast enough for me to use it multiple times during a fight is if i get hit multiple times in quick succession while fighting scal
and that's not the healthiest option
zealous ridge
First off, there isn’t an infinite source of dungeon spikes and wood spikes in the world, making them limited
Second, annoying to collect materials ( getting an infernal blood every time to craft lizard saws sounds annoying)
Third, even with taking damage from them, post wof and post ml strength weapons a few tiers below usual is kind of overpowered, plus you could use the comparatively low damage of the spikes to proc immunity frames and allow tanking, which is kinda jank
hollow saffron
^
bitter drift
the saws aren't consumables
hollow saffron
.
bitter drift
and spike i found 3000 just making an arena for polter
zealous ridge
ah I see
placid moth
3000 ?
zealous ridge
sorry mis interpreted
hollow saffron
well thats you
bitter drift
also wood spikes aren't diffrent
hollow saffron
what world size do you play on
bitter drift
large
hollow saffron
exactly
bitter drift
always large
hollow saffron
meaning you will find a lot more spikes than someone in a small world will
zealous ridge
but still I think it seems a bit op, and provoking immunity frames seems janky
bitter drift
why to make a small one
less loot
less buildings
less fun even
less ore
placid moth
^
hollow saffron
because they serve no purpose
bitter drift
well wouldn't this give them one?
hollow saffron
not really
zealous ridge
hardly, you only need 1 spike for the dungeon spike?
hollow saffron
it just seems to me to be the equivalent of standing on a spike to get iframes
bitter drift
the spike ARE consumable
the SAW isn't
placid moth
thank you for your clear formatting
zealous ridge
Okay confusing but alright