or if its decent
#suggestions-discussion
unique vector
hollow shell
You talking about Spooks?
unique vector
nah i mean, ive been seeing some suggestions that were like
"add x item as a reference to x game"
and their reasoning was mainly "bc of referencing"
hollow shell
Also I can see the reason behind the Halibut suggestion in that
once you beat Moon Lord the gun gets its final boost and it slowly becomes non-viable again
and that upgrade is Post-Polter with a post Post-Yharon to keep it viable
however
the post-Yharon boost is scaling
hollow saffron
"can we make an accessory that allows you to stop time"
for 5 seconds
"because za warudo"
hollow shell
However However
the no-scaling rule was made with full-game scaling in mind like the Legendaries so I dunno if a single boost is ok or not
unique vector
i wouldnt have an issue with a single boost
profaned artifact gets boosts post dog and post yharon
hollow shell
I do approve of a rule that disallows a reference for the sake of reference being a valid reason
unique vector
ty
hollow saffron
ty
hollow shell
I would also like to make it necessary to have a reason why on your suggestion but I'm not sure how I'd go about doing that
ivory heart
I’d consider changing the name from the Halibut Cannon V2 to the Biscuit Cannon.
I don’t know why but I might
radiant meadow
Halibut doesn't need an upgrade though
queen delta
It gets sorta weak at yharon, so we gotta fix that 
void kelp
@mystic geyser calamity and thorium are separate mds
hollow shell
I don't think this was unclear
hollow shell
@earnest raptor 15 seconds of Glacial State is just hell
You'd be lucky to ever survive getting hit by one of those
Just say something like "longer duration" and don't give any exact number
hollow saffron
^
hollow shell
(also Destroyer is one of the most changed vanilla bosses in Revengeance)
radiant meadow
rev destroyer removes the random spread of lasers of expert/normal destroyer
hollow shell
Also, homing lasers
The suggestion's purpose actually is/should be to try and make skybridge strat no longer work
fickle spruce
pls no blue laser that freezes u in place
queen delta
blue laser is pretty easy to dodge anyways so if u got hit by one, then shame
smoky wagon
you cant hold left
placid moth
does warmth cancel that effect
fickle spruce
well if u get hit by it sometimes ur already as good as dead
radiant meadow
warmth gives gstate immunity, yes
and it makes you take 30% less damage from the blue lasers
placid moth
Ah, okay.
What do you think of a buff to gain in proficiency for non-summoner classes
placid moth
Ah, okay.
pliant bone
Doesn't Destroyer gains the ability to fly if you are way too high up/far away
queen delta
I think hes thinking about masomode destroyer
queen sail
Masomeme is over the top so
queen sail
Don’t think anyone can outdo whatever masomeme comes up with simply because Terry will make sure masomeme is ridiculous
Like, what he comes up for the bosses, I mean
hollow shell
o _o
small talon
bruh
hollow shell
@white copper ?
white copper
Sorry I didn’t mean to @shy raptoru, I must clicked your message and forget delete it before I send the message
....sorry I didn’t mean to do that too
hollow shell
Android Discord?
hollow shell
o
I was gonna say I know your pain cuz Android has a "tap on the user's name or pfp to automatically @ them" feature that you can't turn off
Don't know if iPhone has something similar
but if so
I know your pain :P
idle yarrow
I had a good idea finally
hollow shell
Crabulon's an early boss
Shouldn't be DoG laser wall difficulty to avoid
hollow shell
Well yeah it's never happening on its own
You've got a big crab shooting mushrooms at you and also Crab Shrooms swooping in
wintry raptor
but even then its free
hollow shell
its an additional factor
wintry raptor
its super telegraphed as well assuming the player has even a super basic arena
honestly the majority of the crabulon fight is just the crab shrooms
queen delta
scourge is easy to be cheesed tho
wintry raptor
it is but like crab is so easy you don't really need to cheese it. It's probably much harder in a natural mushroom biome but i think its a fair assumption that anyone on rev will make their own one
tired haven
I guess a lot of players nowadays do surface shroom biomes so it's free run, yes
which i can't really appreciate as challenged player
queen delta
looks like im the only one that always fights him underground
wintry raptor
its even easier with a platform of the right height tbh because he telegraphs the wall so hard
and otherwise he's mostly out of the way and you can ignore him and focus on the shrooms
wintry raptor
because getting a heart attack is part of the fun of calamity!
queen delta
Before i get feedback on the suggestion itself, hows the formatting?
Since its a very long wall of text, i want it to be at least appealing and readable for most people
tired haven
I believe the formatting is decent
You probably want to post the suggestions here first though, to check that and everything else
tired haven
queen delta
I was afraid of using too much bold but i guess it makes the sugma stick out more
placid moth
Starts charging at 75% health ?
queen delta
Itll be good with the other change of leviathan giving you more distance before charging
placid moth
Perhaps a decrease to Leviathan's massive healthpool in all difficulties might help too
300k in Death is just 
ruby cobalt
doubled defensive stats moment
queen delta
Oh right levi is a sponge
Although i feel like his health is fine since some weapons can really melt him
placid moth
Oh, and reducing Siren's horizontal speed when firing ice mists, water spears etc so that the player can actually fly over Siren.
queen delta
But ill probably propose a 15-20% health nerf for levi
placid moth
Cool.
bitter topaz
@civic gust that'd have to be taken up with whoever donated for the item
tired haven
Yeah, trying to suggest anything about donator items stumbles across the owner of it and their intentions
Unless that's game-defining fix like plaguenades
civic gust
ok instead what if there was an upgrade to dark spark and it happened for that?
distant gyro
Yharim's Crystal has said effect
tired haven
There are no upgrades to donator items so far
Also, isn't your suggestion more of a fix than new function?
And ^
distant gyro
"make the beam much brighter, making it almost entirely white."
civic gust
ok bad idea then
bitter topaz
it isn't even a bad idea though
it's just that anything to do with a patron items has to go through the respective donator as well
radiant meadow
@queen delta siren clones already only shoot water clones and are a rev+ exclusive minion
I might've forgotten to update the revengeance mode page. I'll go do that now
unique vector
@queen delta dodging levi's charges is easily doable if you use aureate boosters
unless siren fucks you, you always have a chance at positioning yourself far enough from levi to where her charges don't impact you as much
smoky wagon
the problem is when it decides to wind up a charge while you are near it
which is undodgeable as you cant put enough distance between you and the boss
making it maybe backing up before charging in those scenarios could make it more fair
or it could start moving slowly but accelerate over time
unique vector
you can put enough distance if siren wasn't up your ass is what i'm saying
loud steeple
@valid stone thats a boss checklist problem i belive?
hollow shell
Fab could totally put minibosses on the checklist
I just dont know if he can make them show up as minibosses
I'm sure it's possible tho
queen delta
@radiant meadow I updated the suggestion, but il fact check wit you for my future suggestions from now on
@unique vector I dont really want a boss to become easy to dodge because you went with one specific wings
There should be some flexibility
unique vector
well thats more of an issue with the wing nerf imo
opal barn
The problem I have with levi is that she's so damn tanky
distant gyro
oh? why is hadarian membrane post-aureus then
hollow shell
Pre-emptive farming :P
distant gyro
thonking moment
steep vine
Do you think you could add a function for the wulfrum shards because all they are for presently is a set of armor and some equipment that's replaced quickly by better gear as the game progresses
whoops! that was meant for suggestions
zenith hazel
wulfurm shards are easy-to-access early-game materials to help you get through the beginning easier
zealous ridge
what would this function be?
zenith hazel
so it kinda makes sense for them not to serve much purpose
foggy kindle
I mean, their sole purpose is to replace several early game gears...
steep vine
I'm not too sure myself, but I'm thinking something like an ingredient in a potion or something
distant gyro
from what I heard wulfrum is supposed to be a handicap material
steep vine
it is?
zenith hazel
hence why they’re pretty limited
distant gyro
so it's meant to be able to do only a little because it takes a little effort to obtain
zenith hazel
in terms of viability I mean
steep vine
oh, good point
distant gyro
which is also why victide is so rewarding
victide is a pain to farm pre-boss but you're set when you get it
zealous ridge
I guess that’s why victory shards get their own potion
idle yarrow
Why does victory shards drop from eoc? Or any boss that isn’t desert scourge?
echo horizon
@steep vine what function and reason
young fog
@idle yarrow they do drop from scourge...
echo horizon
and from aquatic scourge
frail mantle
they only drop from Cnidrions, DS, AS and the Eye
idle yarrow
@young fog sorry I worded it wrong, but what I meant is can we remove them from all enemies except for cnidrions and Desert scourge?
frail mantle
why
idle yarrow
Why would you need them from the eye?
By then you’ll have full victide stuff
So what’s the point of them dropping from the eye
void kelp
some people fight the eye before DS
idle yarrow
It just seems a little strange
void kelp
imo it’s to allow for less limited progression
opaque grail
and the point of pre hm is that you can do everything in any order, it's before you go into the difficulty or the exact line of boses of HM
sacred thorn
Also its used for a bullet type and 3 weapons
zealous ridge
@gloomy stone please try and elaborate on this. Why are the vampire knives bad now? What could be done to buff them?
gloomy stone
i cant steal hp
zealous ridge
that was done with all lifesteal effects. A heal on hit cool down to prevent overuse for means of tanking
but, if you think vampire knives are made too weak by this nerf, suggest a change that could make them better
frail mantle
i'd rather have vampire knives not be too useful than have them literally be able to carry you from Plant to, like, Cultist
crystal osprey
Make it heal more per hit to increase burst healing perhaps
terse sundial
but why would you want a crutch weapon brought back?
Vamp knives as an actual weapon with the slight upside of healing every once in a while seems fine to me and to a lot of people
crystal osprey
I don't use it very much at all so I cant weigh in
opaque grail
The only reason they aren't op vs ML in vanilla is because his weak spots are all too small
It's an insane weapon in vanilla, comparable to post-ML items
zealous ridge
And that moon bite debuff
zenith hazel
sure, let's make a broken weapon in vanilla that made you nigh-unkillable, which got balanced in calamity for fairness, broken again because yes
idle yarrow
Is my suggestion for the sprite fix any good?
delicate raft
wth
queen sail
Dude I literally just said wrong place to ask
gloomy stone
i used water candle and there is still no sharks
delicate raft
delet dat
queen sail
frail mantle
that's not a suggestion
delicate raft
Delet that message in #suggestions-voting pls
queen sail
Then why the fuck are you putting it in suggestions
smoky wagon
vampire knives are good
free occasional heals+good dmg
its just lifesteal has a cooldown
queen sail
I remember, like
smoky wagon
aka you cant be braindead
queen sail
SotC being good but being completely overshadowed by the sole fact that vamp knives could lifesteal
During 1.2
gloomy stone
actually vampire knives are useless in calamity mod
zealous ridge
why?
gloomy stone
cuz i cant steal life i cant even kill plantera with that
frail mantle
they aren't useless, they're just not overpowered
smoky wagon
if you are trying to facetank brainlessly with them obviously it wont work
you have to not be bad
queen sail
If you’re crutching yourself on vamp knives’ broken lifesteal in vanilla
Then I’m gonna be honest
You fucking suck
gloomy stone
can you please shut the fuck up or i will fuck your mum and beat the shit out of you dont talk sshit to me
delicate raft
lol wth
frail mantle
wh
queen sail
You realize how poor vanilla’s balance tends to be
zealous ridge
I don’t really think the hostility is needed
frail mantle
i can agree that it was a harsh way to say "you shouldn't rely completely on vampire knives" but still
frail mantle
iirc you can use it from the start of hardmode until you meme on the vortex pillar and then meme on ML
zealous ridge
And vamp knives in vanilla make even the celestial pillars somewhat trivial
frail mantle
yea
zealous ridge
so I think the nerf is warranted
gloomy stone
but i think it nerfed so much in calamity
smoky wagon
the only thing that was nerfed was the lifesteal
not the dmg output
and its a global lifesteal nerf
queen sail
It’s literally the same but lifesteal got nerfed
frail mantle
if you can use a weapon way longer than it's meant to be used and the weapon remains viable, it's op
queen sail
There’s a cooldown until it heals you
And I’m looking back on the changes on the wiki, yeah
gloomy stone
lifesteal is why vampire knives exist
queen sail
Stormbow got nerfed hard
frail mantle
vampire knives damage actually got buffed
queen sail
Also name a vanilla Biome Chest weapon that’s as good as Vamp Knives then
It outshined pretty much the others
zealous ridge
lifesteal should not be the main mechanic of a weapon. It should be a side thing honestly, because having a no cost weapon heal you indefinitely is not fun to play with.
frail mantle
^
queen sail
Scourge of the Corruptor was considered a good weapon but it got overshadowed by the fact that Vamp Knives could pretty much make you borderline invincible
queen sail
It’s literally a lifestealing shotgun
zealous ridge
Vamp knives are honestly still powerful, close range damage is pretty high and the limited, although still present lifesteal helps you stay in fights longer
frail mantle
^
queen sail
New knives has you focus on recovering while dodging since the cooldown is in effect
zealous ridge
it’s much more an act of balance now, knowing when to switch off for long range damage and when to switch for healing
which makes it fun to use
queen sail
Old knives was pretty much a spammable tank weapon
zealous ridge
1.2 knives were insane, literally just stand still inside of plantera
dead in 12 seconds
queen sail
Hell I killed vanilla fishron just by spamming it
frail mantle
the only time Vamp Knives haven't carried my ass in Vanilla is when i fought Mobile Dickron
but that's probably because Mobile controls are lole
queen sail
Mobile
gloomy stone
can i kill ocram with vampire knives
frail mantle
maybe
smoky wagon
removed boss
void kelp
the closest thing I can think of that you’re wanting in calamity for regen would be using a true melee build
but that’s because the regen from true melee is countered by the fact that you have to be in the enemies’ faces
gloomy stone
true meele is useless against bosses
void kelp
true melee is not useless against bosses what
void kelp
dude I’ve gotten all the way to yharon phase 2 in a true melee run. on death.
void kelp
like literally anything else in the game, you just have to know what you’re doing.
void kelp
I’ll pop over into another channel to discuss true melee since this is off-topic
gloomy stone
grand gurdian is a great weapon actually
void kelp
im hopping into #general-talk
civic pond
😔
fresh harbor
Isn't that how it works normally?
civic pond
Nope
Melee speed however DOES make yoyos longer i think
then again i never tested with flails
civic pond
frail mantle
idea: Armageddon disables things like Ninja Belt Dodge or Shadow Dodge to make nohitting easier
zenith hazel
YES
sleek wadi
Armageddon only triggers when you take damage rather than when you collide with a hitbox, so dodges are still useful.
teal ibex
as somebody who is not a nohitter but likes to use arma in playthroughs sometimes, i don't love the idea of forcing it to bypass dodges
unique vector
yes please consider Armageddon with the fact that it isnt an end all be all nohit mode
if anything it would be a config at best
separate from arma
teal ibex
that being said, i think it should probably at least kill you for using rod during chaos state
but dodges should be fair game for arma, if you don't get hit you shouldn't die
frail mantle
edited
radiant meadow
the despawning thing will be fixed next update @smoky wagon
zealous ridge
Clarification, why do you think that walking out of the space layer doesn’t make sense in the context of the fight?
smoky wagon
can there be a hotfix
radiant meadow
I don't know 
smoky wagon
instead of it waiting until the big rogue expansion
because it makes the game difficult to enjoy at all
even if it is fixed from despawning, it still enrages and travels at ridiculous speed
its really dumb
radiant meadow
the suggestion is fine, just saying that the despawning issue will be fixed whether weaver is enraged or not next update
unique vector
smh saying the suggestion is okay but not removing the exclamation reaction
unique vector
:3
smoky wagon
ill remove it when it gets removed from the game 
queen delta
Here it is: mechanical bosses changes
Im a bit busy atm so i wont be able to reapond right away
signal prairie
I agree with everything accept the prime laser in death
ashen warren
suggestion: give me free rein to turn death mode into masomode 2
smoky wagon
why nerf retinzaer lasers
that boss isnt even very hard
the only annoying part is random rockets
hollow saffron
^
hollow saffron
^
radiant meadow
@queen delta you say all death exclusive changes are in parenthesis but it looks like you did not format it that way
smoky wagon
havent fought skele prime enough to judge those changes
radiant meadow
@hollow saffron why did you delete and then repost your suggestion?
hollow saffron
because the one above was basically a chat wall
zealous ridge
I feel like a burst attack for retinazers rockets would be cool, like how moonlords true eyes of Cthulhu do it
smoky wagon
make retinazer shoot the rockets instead of them raining randomly
But increase the homing
smoky wagon
radiant meadow
you don't just repost because "someone else posted a text wall"
proven tide
self star
queen delta
Oops i fixed it
Didnt realize i was doing new format
Also nice, reposting just to get past a chat wall
placid moth
How would Destroyer scaling speed affect the fight though
It's not like the Destroyer is trying to ram the player or something
radiant meadow
Vetus I will murder you if you don't shut up about that
zenith hazel
ks lore: 10% extra thowing damage
placid moth
^
zenith hazel
essentially useless 
queen delta
@smoky wagon the twins isnt hard if you stick with good wings + frog leg + moab and is near impossible without
Thats not what im a fan of
And yeah i should probably change the probes thing...
hollow saffron
@steel raptor What would you say? like "a denizen of the slime god"?
queen delta
I updated it, as well as added a new change to dmode destroyer
Ping me for your feedback if you dont want it to end up lost in the chat
steel raptor
@hollow saffron it is Fabsol's decision to put what the lore says if it gets added.
Not mine.
smoky wagon
all you need for twins is frost wings+frog leg
zealous ridge
I still like the idea of giving players more options against em, without frogleg I literally just skipped them and got unidines retribution to beat them up easily
proven tide
damn that's cool
idle yarrow
what?
hollow saffron
@steel raptor I know, but still. Whats the point.
jovial spire
Make the deathmode random spawn crabulon always spawn in the mushroom biome
Why this should be added: It's super annoying to have him spawn 150 or so block away from the mushroom biome, especially since 99 out of 100 times when you're in a mushroom biome, you're underground. It would be nice if this were fixed.
seems reasonable to me
what do you guys think because its happened to me twice now
radiant meadow
you mean make him spawn above you?
like golem, ravager, and duke fishron in boss rush
radiant meadow
yes, but I'm saying wouldn't it be better if he spawned above you
jovial spire
also congrats on dev
radiant meadow
full bramble
you do and don't wanna spawn crabby to spawn 150 blocks away in a a random direction?
but yeah I agree crabby should spawn nearby
I sorta cheesed crabby
jovial spire
yeah its super annoying
full bramble
because it spawned so far away and started to climb up
so I magic mirrored to the surface and fought it there
jovial spire
why is my typing so bad today
fresh harbor
Reason: It's very eyestrain-y and I always find myself having to either look at the words for half a minute trying to understand or just flat out copying it somewhere else to read normally
I know this is a very minor problem that can be resolved with just selecting the text, but it still would be a nice quality of life change```Is this an ok suggestion to make?
queen delta
I can just forward this to the wiki team
radiant meadow
just put it in #wiki-basic
probably wants a paler red that's not so hard on the eyes
fresh harbor
Seeing as the red is normally against a gray background, I'd say make it a little darker
Towards a blood-red or wine maybe?
hollow saffron
make it calamitas red
radiant meadow
change your wiki to dark theme
hollow saffron
wiki is on dark theme on default
therefore making it better than the vanilla terraria wiki
terse sundial
think termi means the custom theme
terse sundial
but yeah, the color could potentially be a little bit darker, go ahead and forward this to wikibasic I would but i'm lazy
hollow saffron
@idle yarrow Yes lol
fresh harbor
terse sundial
good job termi
signal prairie
I like the Darker one and the lighter one tbh
signal prairie
The bottom one would probably work best, I just like darker color variants
hollow saffron
use black then
radiant meadow
you should be able to craft them back
hollow saffron
auric furniture when™
smoky wagon
ngl the only one that doesnt hurt my eyes in the current one
terse sundial
check source also, it is not there
radiant meadow
I should try flexing my developer skills 
terse sundial
i'll remove it from the wiki ig
zealous ridge
Dark sun tier has a few gaps in its current selection of weapons. Really only 1-3 new weapons are available per class, and honestly I think there should be more. I may be suggesting more weapons in the future (ranger is a bit lacking in darksun weapons), but for now I have a true melee weapon that could be used in second phase Yharon.
Corona Clasher (upgrade to stellar striker, replaces it in exoblade)
Melee weapon
Crafted with stellar striker, darksun fragments, and cores of sunlight
With a long range and high base damage, the Corona Clasher will offer heavy short range damage, alongside its main effect. It’s largest detriment is a lower-than-average speed, but the weapon can still deal great damage.
Effect: spawn waves of coronal mass from the sky to the cursor on hit, passing through walls and slowing down when contacting an enemy, similar to Rouge Slash.
this weapon would give players a true melee option potentially viable for yharon, opening up some unique gameplay opportunities.
drawing is simply a concept for what the sword would look like. Spriters are free to make their own.
how this look ?
zealous ridge
fair point, but I believe mage is getting 4, right? For darksun? I know it’s not all implemented yet... but I thought I’d bring up the tier to a four weapon standard.
opaque grail
3 is a lot tho
zealous ridge
yeah... I guess 3 is still nice. if I’m honest, ranger probably does need something more
but I just thought I’d post. Was an idea I’ve had for a little while.
zealous ridge
yes they do, but I do think they are getting two more, in a next update?
smoky wagon
summoner has none cause 
zealous ridge
yeah that’s pretty junk
smoky wagon
is it getting more as donator weapons?
opaque grail
darksun staff for summoner: summons a fucking eclipse to blind your foes
zealous ridge
I’m not exactly sure , I just saw some sprites needed on the art server, and two of them were darksun
smoky wagon
dev weapons?
hearty yew
@idle yarrow Your most recent suggestion is effectively a bug. I'll fix it tomorrow, though the update won't be out for a while.
opaque grail
I dont think calamity will ever do dev items iirc
hearty yew
@zealous ridge Event Horizon and Demon Sutra?
idle yarrow
Thank you
smoky wagon
dev items are a thing already
idle yarrow
So much
zealous ridge
yes those guys
opaque grail
ozz its not a bug its a feature, or the lack thereof
zealous ridge
Actually helium flash is the darksun boi
hearty yew
Every wall should be uncraftable.
zealous ridge
Along with event horizon
hearty yew
Yes. Darksun isn't dev tier. It's 2 tiers lower.
idle yarrow
Stop taunting the guy with the ban hammer you git
idle yarrow
Oh then
opaque grail
"just a dev"
why would anyone consider a dev below staff
you guys made all of this
ivory heart
Summit - Hardmode Yo-Yo
Crafted using 3 Aerialite Bars, 3 Essence of Eleum, and 1 Soul of Flight at a Hardmode Anvil
Inflicts Chilled in enemies, has a small (2.5% each) chance to inflict Frozen or Frostburn.
Why: Yo-yos were implemented in 1.3 as part of a collaboration with OneDrop, and adding a new yo-yo from them would keep the cycle going.
This is a cancelled suggestion
hearty yew
Whut
smoky wagon
calamity doesnt have the rights to that
smoky wagon
also 2.5% seems too low to make sense
hearty yew
we shouldn't add any one drop yoyos, we're not the ones with the licensing
zealous ridge
plus, does early hard mode really need a yo-yo? There seem to be a lot of options
chic, helfire, and amarok
smoky wagon
why not just make it a frigid bar yoyo with 100% glacial state
hearty yew
@opaque grail Devs are listed below mods/admins just so the "people in charge" Discord wise are more visible
I don't even remember what I was talking about
ivory heart
New suggestion
hearty yew
I'll fix the statigel wall thing
idle yarrow
Oz can we please have the abyss ambient noises
hearty yew
Probably early tomorrow
Abyss ambient noises? If it reaches 90 stars I can assure you the devs will love it
Like no kidding I know they will like it
ivory heart
Minor sequence-breaks
30 Silver-Tungsten Ore with a furnace near lava - 10 Meteorite
30 Meteorite with a furnace near lava - 10 Hellstone
5 Hellstone Bars + a furnace with an anvil - 1 Hellforge
idle yarrow
Will you guys have fun screaming into mics for several hours?
ivory heart
I mean if you can jump from pre-mech to Plantera why can’t we do this
idle yarrow
If I can find out I’ll update the suggestion with demo audio
ivory heart
Or even crazier pre-mech to LC
zealous ridge
it kind of trivializes needing to collect these materials from their actual sources
Like I understand where you’re coming from, but part of the difficulty is gathering these materials in their normal, dangerous environments
it almost seems a bit... easy?
zealous ridge
Idk it just doesn’t seem as fun, is all
I’m sure some people would appreciate the ability to jump through ore tiers though
lost agate
You can already get meteorite and hellstone pre boss so i dont see the point
zealous ridge
Yeah that’s true
ivory heart
And I’d like to get raw Meteorite ore without having to go through a goblin invasion
Shadow orbs
lost agate
You dont need the goblin invasion
zealous ridge
Plus hellstone bars require a hellforge?
ivory heart
how did I miss that
ivory heart
@lost agate To get a Meteorite to spawn you need to smash a shadow orb, which if you’re at least 160 HP you will eventually get a goblin invasion
lost agate
Actually, pre hm legit has the most sequence breaking in the game so i dont see the point
Still you dont need a goblin invasion for meteorite
Just bombs and a hammer
ivory heart
Shadow orbs both cause Meteorite and goblin invasion
ashen warren
Yeah
but you don’t need to kill goblins
You can mine it before goblins
It literally takes either explosives or a gold/plat pick, and that’s it
ivory heart
I don’t like goblin invasions is all I am going to say
Even if you beat a goblin invasion that comes from a shadow orb you will get another one
hollow saffron
^
lost agate
Or you just ignore it
ivory heart
@hollow saffron They disabled Reaver cheese until you beat EoW or BoC I think
ashen warren
No
hollow saffron
reaver cheese?
ashen warren
update your mod
foggy kindle
Reaver Shard cheese
ashen warren
It’s not really cheese anyways, it’s an intended mechanic
foggy kindle
You don't need to farm hellstone bar for a molten pick
Just a decent rod and you're good
ashen warren
I don’t see the point in your suggestion
radiant meadow
it's still a big sequence break whether you think it's cheese or not
ashen warren
Yes it is
radiant meadow
you cannot deny that reaver shark is a sequence break
ashen warren
I especially do not get the hellforge part
Like, you have to go to hell anyways, why not just enter the buildings and grab one
zealous ridge
hellforge is really easy to get if you visit hell like once
lost agate
Literally
Go to hell
Check a building
Check another if theres no hellforge
Repeat until success
hollow saffron
^
ashen warren
like 90% of all buildings in hell have a forge
queen sail
Wasnt there a hellforge recipe in 1.1 or smth
ashen warren
Also meteorite you can get day 2
Maybe if you’re lucky, you could get it in the 2nd half of the first day
Just break a shadow orb and you have a 50/50 chance
Then again who’s gonna go into an evil biome on the first day
me lol
It’s not hard to wait for midnight
zenith hazel
ranger players
idle yarrow
Why does the dryad work that way?
hollow saffron
yes.
ashen warren
Im assuming the two thing she doesnt sell are the hive mind/perf summons?
yes she does?
lost agate
Because hive/perfs cysts exist where there wont be shadow orbs and hearts on the same world
zenith hazel
she does sell those wdym
ashen warren
I think he means at the same time
lost agate
Iirc she doesnt
zenith hazel
ashen warren
like she can’t sell both
zenith hazel
oh together
zenith hazel
just zerg in the evil island for easy spawn
ashen warren
Also, you can craft it fairly easily
lost agate
Just expand your evil island and a cyst will spawn
ashen warren
All you have to do is beat the boss, maybe so a few times
and boom, you get the summon item
lost agate
Thats the issue, killing it the first time
idle yarrow
But the crimsand and ore doesn’t spread pre hardmode
ashen warren
Does the dryad only sell these when the boss is defeated?
idle yarrow
Yes
ashen warren
Then just use crimson seeds and grass
ashen warren
Then just use the evil biome like shock said
ashen warren
Yeah its called grinding
lost agate
Not if you have dynamite
idle yarrow
Who really wants to do that build a line of crimsand and wait
opaque grail
if u cant kill it the first time due to not having the right evvil biome, you wont be able to fight it even if she sells the item cuz u need the biome anywys
ashen warren
Evil islands
idle yarrow
What @opaque grail
ashen warren
Just create a second world smh
lost agate
And the islnd is hella small
radiant meadow
iirc she doesn't sell bloody spine and worm food together
idle yarrow
Some people don’t like doing that
radiant meadow
oh well, there's no reason for both teratoma and bloody worm food anayways
she sells what you need
ashen warren
Not to mention, most hive and perf items are equal iirc
idle yarrow
I just thought it was a nice qol thing
lost agate
Shadowdrop staff is hella stronger than bloodbath imo
hollow saffron
^
idle yarrow
For people who want to beat all the bosses
hollow saffron
who even uses bloodbath when hellwing staff exists
zealous ridge
really all you’ll be getting out of it are some weapons unique to crimson and corruption, as well as grinding for ichor and cursed inferno
lost agate
I mean, i killed hive mind on a crimson world and it only took like 20 minutes to prepare the arena
idle yarrow
Then what if she didn’t sell the blood worm tooth/rotten brain
ivory heart
New suggestion: Moon Shard/Sun Shard
Drops from Zombies/Slimes with a 0.5% chance. The Moon Shard will only drop at night, and the Sun Shard will only drop during the day.
Cancels evil moons (Moon Shard) / Cancels eclipses (Sun Shard)
Non-consumable
Function: When used, it will cancel the Blood Moon, Pumpkin Moon, Frost Moon (Moon Shard) or the Solar Eclipse (Sun Shard)
Why: An early blood moon is not fun to go through, especially for players that don’t know how to guard their bases.
idle yarrow
Ok ok I get it bad idea
ivory heart
But is it good
ashen warren
Pretty sure that should go in #suggestions-voting
Clown rifter was just getting thoughts
Ok
People do that often
zealous ridge
he’s probably just asking for critique
idle yarrow
Still why does she sell the brain/worm food
ashen warren
I mean, it’s a good idea
I think its a nice idea rifter if calam didnt already have day/night switching items
Wait does cosmilight cancel blood moon?
ivory heart
@ashen warren those exist?
zealous ridge
yeah, anyways, the sun and moon shards dropping from those enemies specificallly is a little weird, and the sun shard is arbitrary because it’s only usable hard mode which has cosmolight
ashen warren
You can change the time with items iirc
lost agate
Because as i said, theres no way to naturally spawning BoC/Eow on an evil island
ashen warren
That would cancel whatever event you habe
lost agate
Whereas perf/hive cysts exist
ashen warren
shit i meant cosmolight
ivory heart
Ok
zealous ridge
but I think the moon shard has some early game merit
ashen warren
Maybe if it was consumable
ivory heart
It’s hardmode exclusive
ashen warren
The shards i mean
ivory heart
Ok
zealous ridge
well, In that case, I really don’t see the point. Pre hard mode time shifting consumables would be pretty cool, but in hard mode you have cosmolight which is nonconsumable
hollow saffron
prehm time changine items would help a lot with skeletorn
ashen warren
How?
zealous ridge
Shifting time to shorten time between attempts I’d assume
ashen warren
Ah ok
zealous ridge
but yeah, a moon shard in pre hm would be pretty nice qol thing
ashen warren
I could also be used to get rid of an early eoc if your lucky enough
lost agate
Masomode skelly does that well
ivory heart
I just want to not have to go through the torment that is the blood moon
lost agate
Everytime you spawn skelly you will get a bloodied skull that resets the night and spawns an old man yeah
idle yarrow
Can you guys stop so being brutal
ashen warren
What?
lost agate
"Old man has awoken!"
ivory heart
What is maso mode
lost agate
Brutal?
ashen warren
About the eye thing, couldn’t you just go underground?
It a mode from fargo’s soul mod
Yeah you could
ivory heart
Oh wow
ashen warren
But the moment you come back up he spawns
If your doing something like fishing it could get annoying
But thats pretty situational
queen sail
Wdym brutal @idle yarrow
zealous ridge
I’m personally just trying to help with critique. this is a place to discuss suggestions, which may mean some scrutiny, but don’t try to take it personally. I think most of us are trying to help you all make better suggestions
At least that’s what I think 
ashen warren
The dryad selling thing could be fixed in mutiple ways and we were just telling you that fester
lost agate
As how the pin says "troubleshooting a suggestion isnt a personal attack"
zealous ridge
Indeed
ashen warren
I could list like another 5 ways to fix it
zealous ridge
By the way, is it cool to just post my thing in suggestions just to see reception? I’d like to see how well it does.
zealous ridge
alright, sorry if that was a dumb question 
ashen warren
If people don’t like ot they’ll still tell you if you post it in here or submit it
zealous ridge
oka y
queen sail
Probably because they found holes in what you’re suggesting @idle yarrow
idle yarrow
Ok
queen sail
Sone of the people critiquing suggestions here are testers for the game and the mod
idle yarrow
Oh
queen sail
So they’d have some notion on what is fair and what isn’t
And what is sensical and what isn’t
zealous ridge
yeah bruh, is there a problem with this?
idle yarrow
Are you sure about that
idle yarrow
No
ashen warren
I think he’s referring to the stellar striker upgrade posted in #suggestions-voting
proven tide
she* and it was an sao joke
ashen warren
Wait it spawns waves of coronal mass on hit?
lost agate
The concept art is good
ashen warren
Is that against true melee or no?
proven tide
no
lost agate
Nah
zealous ridge
no not against true melee
ashen warren
Ah ok
proven tide
so regarding what those 'waves of coronal mass' are like
lost agate
Its basically what stellar striker doea but differently ig
ashen warren
It’s kinda like a sun stellar stiker, basically
lost agate
Yeah im kind of confused on what coronal mass means
ashen warren
Why not just call them darksun waves
proven tide
easy
zealous ridge
eh, I thought it sounded n I. C e r
proven tide
or even better, something something solar flare something
lost agate
Darksun waves sounds kinda generic
ashen warren
I mean true
ivory heart
Another new (or already suggested) suggestion
Astral Armor - Crafted with Astral Bars, Stardust, and Fallen Stars
Possible Set Bonuses - Immunity to God Slayer Inferno, 10% reduced gravity, 5% increased crit chance in space, taking damage summons homing astral bombs.
ivory heart
Eclipse waves @zealous ridge
ashen warren
Search up astral armor on the wiki
lost agate
Yeah theres literally an astral armor already
ivory heart
Oh
proven tide
haha yes research help
ashen warren
It’s a cool idea, but already kinda exists
proven tide
proven tide
the astral armour is a multi-class armour that mainly focuses on the magic-summoner side of things
queen sail
Astral Armor has been in the mod ever since the astral infection was the astral meteor
ivory heart
Probably a terrible idea - rare variants of an armor set
ivory heart
RIVs but it’s an armor set
ashen warren
Ok? do you have any possible ideas?
ivory heart
Rare Astral Armor
zealous ridge
probably would need a lot of fleshing out and specification
ashen warren
like ancient shadow in vanilla?
zealous ridge
but I see potential
ashen warren
I think it’s kinda like that?
ivory heart
Pretty much, except with big boosts @ashen warren
ashen warren
Ok, so any ideas for rare armors?
idle yarrow
Right now if you use a sky minecart track slime god is painfully easy, you could beat him with a wooden bow, there needs to be some kind of penalty or attack that can negate this strat.
ivory heart
If you have both the normal and rare counterparts of an armor set, the set with 2 or 3 pieces as opposed to 1 or 0 would have the set bonus
Rare Astral Armor - Dropped from Astrum Deus after it has been defeated once already
Possible Set Bonuses - Immunity to God Slayer Inferno, 10% reduced gravity, 5% increased crit chance in space, taking damage summons homing astral bombs.
I refused my other suggestion for this but now it seems plausible
proven tide
it would have to drop from astrum
ashen warren
Yeah
ashen warren
cause the normal is post deus
zealous ridge
Or post deus at least
ashen warren
And deus is post cultist now, so for a post cultist armor it sounds really ech
ivory heart
It could drop from deus after it has been defeated once
ashen warren
Ok but still he’s post cultist
and this armor sounds a little disappointing for a post cultist armor imo
ashen warren
Ok, well what are your ideas then?
zealous ridge
have you actually tried slime god with wooden bow?
idle yarrow
Have you used the minecart strat?
zealous ridge
no I have not
idle yarrow
It completely negates all of his attacks
zealous ridge
it does sound cheesy, perhaps slime god himself could have his speed scale with distance
idle yarrow
He literally can not touch you
The only damage that’s possible is from the corrupt winged slimes
Wait I mean all three can not touch you
ashen warren
ebonian and crimulan can jump towards you iirc
ivory heart
Drops from the Giant Clam with a 10% chance for each piece
Rare Victide head pieces are just buffed variants of the original
Rare Victide Breastplate gives 7 defense and 15% DR
Rare Victide Leggings gives 5 defense and allows for swimming
Set bonus additions: increases breath meter, 15% increase to all damage in water, reduces abyssal detection range along with regular aggro
idle yarrow
Yes
ivory heart
For my ideas anyway for Rare Armor
ashen warren
Just don’t cheese them then?
Sure the minecart cheese shouldn’t exist but that’s a good temporary solution
idle yarrow
Temporary solution?
ivory heart
@ashen warren I got my ideas in for Rare Victide
ashen warren
Ok
hollow shell
@idle yarrow Slow down with the suggestions, there
that's 4 almost in a row
idle yarrow
Ok
opaque grail
If u make ppl slow based on distance, the inconsistency would rly fuck up play
ivory heart
So I’ll be asleep until tomorrow gtg
opaque grail
if people are slowed, it needs to be at stages
idle yarrow
Well sorry I meant the slime god
opaque grail
like half a screen away, 5%, 1 screen away 20%, 2 screens away 40%
idle yarrow
Sorry
opaque grail
not a criticism, just imagining how it woul work, especially since debuffs only work by using seperate debuffs that would show up on ur hotbar
ashen warren
Is slime god restricted to crim/corrupt?
zenith hazel
naw
ashen warren
I feel like it should be
zenith hazel
both gods from the respective evil biomes spawn
that'd be too easy
doesn't fit too much with the theming of the fight either as it's a core of the 2 evil biomes' gods controlling them so it makes sense for both to be present
ashen warren
Ah ok
Yeah but when i did fight slime god i alwayd found myself farther away from them so a debuff or something like prov when you get to far away could work
Brimstone flames?
didn’t that debuff get axed from slime god
frail mantle
why would her spawner require Souls of Fright
that would require you to beat Prime to fight her, something that would remove some of the non-linearity of Early Hardmode
neon birch
yea what
idle yarrow
Sequnce wise let’s try to keep this mod super Metroid instead of Mario world
frail mantle
what do you mean
echo horizon
i mean brimmy has an easy to craft spawner, yes but not that hard smh
a bit harder not that hard
and not requiring you to kill sans prime
ashen warren
He means that the progression of Calamity Mod should be more flex and not limited.
In Super Metroid, you can access certain areas without the need of core items. But in Mario World, you have to complete an area to access the next area.
frail mantle
yea that makes sense
short edge
Well maybe the brimstone elemental could be spawned by both, i mean im mass producing spawners and the crimson has ate up 30% of my world now
Because i needed souls of night
And brimmy drops souls of fright
So...
I have 894 souls of fright with nothing to do with them
ashen warren
You want to make an alternative mech , a separate boss?? me no like
worthy fiber
but why
neon birch
ye why bother
sacred thorn
Just sell the souls
quiet abyss
That won’t really work
Afaik it’s not just the sulphurous sand blocks and sulphurous water that makes it sulphurous seas, its location is also determined by the world gen
If the world generates dungeon on the right and as such locates the suplhurpus sea on the right, you wont be able to recreate the biome on the left ocean no matter how many sulphurous sand blocks you have.
Unless that was changed
signal prairie
Maybe have the Artificial Sulphuric Sea be required to be on the Dungeon side of the world?
And have it require to have a certain amount of water in the biome? Say like 1500 - 2000 tiles filled with water?
pliant bone
What the fuck
ashen warren
@ashen warren if you're looking for gear recommendations, head on over to #help-advice-read-pins not in suggestions
ok thank you
opal barn
every other solution is named after the color so I don't see why the sulphurous sea one would need to have a different name
void kelp
wait is it new?
sand umbra
The issue is that it's stupidly strong and has an absolutely massive radius at lower stages.
Also yes. Implemented in latest update.
void kelp
if so it should definitely be changed to a constant thing
or otherwise telegraphed visually or something
sand umbra
It already is telegraphed visually, it's just that it happens right when the 
does and results in the player (should they be unfortunate enough to be too close) getting yeeted either
- across the room, or
b) straight into Ceaseless for combos.
void kelp
wild.
distant gyro
it's a giant purple circle™
zenith hazel
it sucks, figuratively and literally
sand umbra
zenith hazel
but yeah, the energies ambushing you outta nowhere is frustrating
I’ve lost way too many attempts because I couldn’t react in time
fickle spruce
soul of fright for brimmy summon doesn't make any sense at all
void kelp
doesn’t she drop souls of fright?
fickle spruce
yeah
lost agate
If the idea its making you kill prime first then it defeats the entire porpuse of her being an alt mech
fickle spruce
yep
lost agate
Heck it even makes her basically useless, what would she drop that you would want
Abaddon?
sand umbra
Gehenna.
void kelp
both
fickle spruce
well you would unlock calamitas too
sand umbra
Brimmy's VoE material.
void kelp
you already do that by killing prime tho
what if instead you could use the souls as alternate ingredients for the spawners?
wait you can just buy them that’s more practical
lost agate
And even if brimmy has weapon drops, you could potentially already get charred ore so its basically overshadowed
And why just brimmy is the question
sand umbra
Personally I'm of the opinion post-Provi Brimmy and company should gain new weapon drops and such to encourage people to not just farm the shit out of Brimstone Crag enemies--
lost agate
we already talked about this smh
lost agate
Yes
sand umbra
¯_(ツ)_/¯
loud steeple
Meow
sand umbra
Anywho, 200 IQ play:
Make both the Mechanical Skull and the Charred Idol take Souls of Fright, thus forcing someone to break an Altar or play in Death Mode to spawn either of them.
radiant meadow
void kelp
300 IQ play: make it require the souls from the previous boss
sand umbra
But the Wall of Flesh has like a 1% chance to drop a Soul of Night/Light in certain scenarios depending on where it died. 🤔
also i was making a meme and i should probably shut up now before i get dunked for off-topic or smth
lost agate
How exactly do you decide which is the previous boss smh
void kelp
boss checklist duh
lost agate
So lets throw non linearity out the window yes
radiant meadow
all the mech and mech alts are basically the same tier except for cryogen
sand umbra
Cryogen is Cryogen-tier.
sand umbra
Indeed.
idle yarrow
What if the first “fight” with yharim is him pitting you against your clone who has way better shit then you
unique vector
please try not to suggest things about planned content that hasn't even been mentioned or implemented yet
smoky wagon
- Ceaseless should be less of a pain arena-wise, given it's currently on-par with Polter in that regard and poses much more of a threat than it used to now
Hmm, having to make an actual arena? Rough life 😔
Dont nerf void
I’ve noticed alot of these “nerf x boss” suggestions are less of actual need for balancing and more of “im struggling make it easier”
If you are struggling for a reason which you cannot control, like RNG, then its valid
placid moth
Is it possible to edit Dungeon's code such that it will always generate a somewhat large room
smoky wagon
I doubt it
I usually find a large interconnected area which doesnt need many unsafe walls to patch in
placid moth
I just actuate tbh
smoky wagon
Yeah i stick some acutated dungeon bricks in the middle also
If you just make a polter sufficient arena and use it for void the boss is completely fine
It actually needs preparation now
sand umbra
I’ve noticed alot of these “nerf x boss” suggestions are less of actual need for balancing and more of “im struggling make it easier”
Well if you're gonna put it like that I suppose none of the bosses need a nerf.
placid moth
It's very hard to differentiate whether the player needs to get good, or that the boss is simply unfair
sand umbra
See you could make this argument for literally every boss balancing suggestion made recently.
smoky wagon
Some bosses are valid to be nerfed because they are too difficult for their tier
like siren and levi, skeletron prime
ceaseless void is not one of them
sand umbra
The Rev+ Mechs in general--
tired haven
I believe if majority of people talk about the same struggles they are too hard
Whether they are intentionally hard or artificially is another talk
queen sail
I can admit that as someone who now just memes my playthroughs (i.e spams the fuck out of using other mods with calamity)
marsh gust
brimmy is like 50/50, some finds it easy, some finds it hard
sand umbra
Prime is just
sand umbra
marsh gust
idk bout you guys but i found prime easy
sand umbra
Brimmy's pretty easy compared to other bosses of her tier.
smoky wagon
Skeleprime wasnt too hard for me but it was a very unfun fight
marsh gust
brimmy has a predictable pattern atleast, unlike skelebutt prime
sand umbra
She's got a reliable, set pattern that realistically can be dodged quite well.
Prime is just.
An absolute clusterfuck.
sand umbra
And if any Mech absolutely needs a nerf, it's him.
smoky wagon
i know the pattern is predictable its just the bloom phase can be a meme if it gets in a bad position
sand umbra
Ah, that's true.
queen sail
Also I’m glad Calamity actually buffed prime to actually be hard
Because, like,
He was as much of a joke as Destroyer in vanilla
sand umbra
Destroyer was a joke because the Daedalus FuckYouBow killed it in seconds.
smoky wagon
Now destroyer freezes you if you stop moving ever
sand umbra
queen sail
Daedalus FuckYouBow was a viable ML weapon
smoky wagon
Speaking of artifical difficulty can we talk about DoG’s one shot head in death mode
Im not sure how feel like its anything but a shitty meme
sand umbra
So a boss flinging you across the room for being anywhere fucking near it, or forcing you to fight it in Space or risk a despawn, or forcing a snowstorm despite a wealth of mooks and projectiles, or freezing you near-instantly if you stop moving at all is completely fair,
but an important late-game boss giving no shits about your revives, defense, or health in a mode that already makes bosses extreme is bad?
smoky wagon
making one mistake=insta death isnt fair
ceaseless void needs a proper arena, storm weaver is a broken fight currently, destroyer needs a rework
sand umbra
If you ask me, the Rev+ Mechs in general need a rework.
placid moth
A proper arena, in my opinion, more often than not is the player's responsiblity.
sand umbra
They're infuriatingly difficult and overall just not fun to fight.
smoky wagon
the random rocket rains during twins ruins an otherwise good fight
remove that shit but make the twins themselves more dangerous