dodging the charges is a proactive, positioning based play, not a reactive one where the charge happens and THEN you dodge
#suggestions-discussion
lost agate
I mean, its kinda hard to know when to position yourself when levi is offscreen
And the visual indicator is kind of hard to see
teal ibex
i do think a more intuitive system would be better, yeah
but i also feel like proactive design gets wicked bad reputation around here, despite it personally being much more interesting to me
lost agate
I mean, it would be easier to concentrate on levi if you didnt have siren literally up your ass most of the time
teal ibex
ye i was implying that with the "i wouldnt defer to levi charges as unfair"
lost agate
Imo, the moment siren dies, the difficulty of the fight drops a lot
teal ibex
ofc, its hard to balance levi and siren since you dont want them to be boring individually but they also need to be reasonable in tandem
lost agate
I mean, by the time levi appears the siren gets new attacks for some reason
As if levi herself wasnt enough
And also, siren can get super fast
teal ibex
i personally believe siren needs a nerf -- or at least a bit of consistency tuning
she just has such a capacity to go off the rails
hollow saffron
protip: never go down while the siren is alive
lost agate
This is basically what you have
A small fast objective that sets traps everywhere and punishes you for being below her on an already limited area
And then you have some big af objective whose attacks are big and bulky but a lot slower
hollow saffron
also yeah the levi charge is annoying af
lost agate
I dont find it too annoying, siren annoys me more
hollow saffron
Because of the charge when going down?
hollow saffron
Oh
lost agate
Be it the speed she gets, the constant minefield or the two damn sentries
hollow saffron
The minefield and the sentried arent that bad for me
I just move in a circle shape to dodge
lost agate
How do you circle the sentries if levi blocks the way?
hollow saffron
Basically I go up on the left side of the ocean, then I go right and around levi, then fall down while dashing in one direction to avoid the siren, then go left and repeat.
I also place asphalt blocks on the ocean to move faster.
lost agate
Well not everyone uses asphalt
hollow saffron
I always use asphalt for DoG
lost agate
Also, yes thats how you circle things but how do you circle levi when you legit cant because of the world border and what not?
hollow saffron
I dont get to the world border
lost agate
And i also found levi liking to spawn near that border
hollow saffron
And if I get trapped I always have the rod of discord on me
lost agate
Well the ocean is kind of small so seeing the world border is kinda common
hollow saffron
What world size do you play on
lost agate
Medium/large
hollow saffron
I play on medium
queen delta
rn im only focusing on bosses that desperately need a mechanic change
i got a few more in mind, but ill wait a few days to polish up those ideas
queen delta
i already nohit masomeme LC
queen sail
:echsupreme:
queen delta
If you got any feedback, feel free to @ me
bitter drift
blind angerler a post golem grenade launcher.
gotten by: killing a chaotic puffer (8%) or can be crafted with: 20 chaotic bars, 5 grenades, 10 chaotic cores, and an archer fish.
what it does?: shoot a small white bright dot that can light up the abyss, when an enemy touch it, it will explode.
the bright dot will grow over time in size and power until it explode (take 20 seconds to explode).
in the first 5 seconds the dot grows in size and power (damage), after 10 seconds the dot will explode at a larger radius, after the 12th second it shall inflict brimstone flame and abyssal flames, and in second number 17 the explosion stays for 4 seconds and after the 20th second the dot will explode.
so i need some more help: i need to know if this weapon should be gotten by a crafting recipe or dropped by the chaotic puffer, also i want to know if you think this is balanced?
hollow saffron
@bitter drift #suggestions-voting
queen sail
Nah he’s good here
hollow saffron
ok
queen sail
You’re recommended to put suggestions here to discuss them before submitting them
hollow saffron
ok
queen delta
dont forget, people can post here for feedback first
hollow saffron
geometry dash player
queen delta
ok
lost agate
Why am i getting masomode vibes from that LC suggestion
queen delta
it may or may not have been slightly inspired from it
but i try to make it different from masomode
lost agate
Imagine basing things on masomode
lost agate
The moment you inspire something from maso skelly i will personally slap you
queen delta
i feel like the clones contribute a good chunk of fun to the fight
oh im touching skelly soon
lost agate
nO
queen delta
but i dunno much about maso skelly so you're good
pliant bone
queen delta
unless i decide to continue my masomode pt to that point
lost agate
Whatever you do, dont refer to maso skelly
queen delta
dont worry, there wont be a DG phase in my suggestion
queen sail
Masomeme: Focuses on making bosses extremely difficult but also being fair at the very least
Also Masomeme: “Skeletron becomes DG at 50 HP because fuck you”
queen delta
I'm thinking just have the hands be aggressive while skeletron is spinning, but he doesnt shoot homing skulls while spinning anymore
queen sail
lost agate
masomode
Fair bosses
U wot
queen delta
theyre fair if you arent nub
lost agate
Also, hands being agressive when skelly is spinning is just grounds for stunlocking
queen delta
i'd rather skelly be fun than just circle menacingly cuz homing skulls
queen delta
something more dynamic than skulls while spinning
bitter drift
may i please get the answers for the questions i asked?
(for those that don't know what they are they are: i need to know if this weapon should be gotten by a crafting recipe or dropped by the chaotic puffer, also i want to know if you think this is balanced?
opaque grail
fun is getting literally boned for not being TAS level skill
lost agate
Stunlocks is certainly not dynamic
queen delta
like i said, my ideas are still wip
opaque grail
spazmatism flame breathe in space
queen delta
i figured rev and death are simple changes for a reason, so ill make my changes simple
fab doesnt have to implement all of my proposed changes
queen sail
Fun is also dragging a long ass worm around on two skybridges and shooting its head for 5 minutes
queen delta
tho i may bold some that are desperately needed
should i get rid of #4 on the LC suggestion? I dont think it would be that needed
opaque grail
kirby if u dont like that there are other strats for worm bosses
queen delta
im kinda reluctant on destroyer cuz thats one of fab's favorite worm fsr
queen sail
I would try something else but to be honest
It works simply out of the fact that the ground isn’t chaotic
queen delta
ok i got rid of #4
- At 25% health, the main Lunatic Cultist starts shooting frost shards all over the place, like the Ice Queen, but shoots less, and does less damage. (Shoots at 50% instead of 25% in Deathmode)
but ill paste it here in case i change my mind and need to retrieve it back
hollow saffron
I have a suggestion for bumblebirb weapons:
Avian Lance
70 rogue damage
Fast use speed(20)
4% critical strike chance
When used, the player throws a spear that can pierce up to 2 enemies. As it moves through the air, it leaves behind feathers that have slight homing towards enemies.
Why? Bumblebirb doesnt have any rogue weapons dropped from it.
queen sail
Bumblebirb has less drops than the Sentinels
opaque grail
try to avoid stats in suggests, balancing is for the dev team
void kelp
I’d make a reason better than just “drops need to match” imo
sleek wadi
Bumblefuck summon has probably already been sent to dev team before
queen sail
But rogue has enough viable options
void kelp
I’d go for “Bumblebirb is a pre-providence boss, and these classes struggle in weapon option due to a limited array; adding in more specific weapons for blah blah would help”
hollow saffron
elemental disk can lag me sometimes
queen sail
It’s considered stronger than ranged at some points
bitter drift
maybe for the summon just summon a bumble birb
hollow saffron
@void kelp ok
queen sail
So does Celestus but hey what can we do
void kelp
after a point all the cool weapons cause lag lol
hollow saffron
celestus doesnt lag me
queen sail
The only laggy exo weapons atm are memebow clusterfuck and suddenly a scythe
queen delta
also i should think of at least 1 more deathmode exclusive mechanic since all i have is... eidolists spawn more frequently
hollow saffron
eidolosts have new attacks
queen delta
eh
queen sail
Eidolists already shoot lightning orbs and ice spheres
hollow saffron
oh
queen sail
Ice Queen wouldn’t be a bitch to farm otherwise
bitter drift
how about an earth attack then
hollow saffron
lc doesnt have a pattern to its attacks
queen delta
actually it sorta does
hollow saffron
it should attack randomly
queen sail
LC is guaranteed to keep clones regardless, each one shoots different projectiles
I dunno
hollow saffron
@queen delta what I mean is that in death mode it shouldnt
queen delta
nah im not a fan of rng-based fights
hollow saffron
providence deathmode
bitter drift
maybe have the LC use an lunar/earth attack yata
queen sail
It’s best to provide something other than a base
hollow saffron
have it spawn portals like the stardust pillar does
hollow saffron
the portals would do damage
queen delta
i added new mechanic
queen delta
i just want it to be easy to code so fab is more likely to implement it
queen sail
Should be a bit more than “he’s faster” tbh
queen delta
cuz i'll take pretty much anything over lazy pathetic projectile rain
hollow saffron
he moves faster
queen sail
Saying that “he’s faster” means the fight’s pace is increased
queen sail
Add something that gives the player trouble that doesn’t have to do with changing his stats
bitter drift
is post golem a place that is hard for ranger?
zenith hazel
naw, pretty sure
hollow saffron
not really @bitter drift
queen sail
Ranger has enough options
hollow saffron
^
queen sail
It wouldn’t be the most memed class otherwise
bitter drift
well this is a grenade launcher
sleek wadi
If ranger needs anything, it'd be more launchers and flamethrowers
But ranger is farm from struggling so
bitter drift
well luckily this is one
queen delta
i changed it
queen sail
They probably have an exo gun planned but it’s so low priority it’ll happen after Xeroc comes out
sleek wadi
I'd actually suggest more ammo types over anything else if you want to give ranger content
Different types of rockets and gel would be a great start
hollow saffron
get those damn rangers some vanquicher bullets
bitter drift
zenith hazel
rocket 5
hollow saffron
rocket v
bitter drift
sickness rockets
queen sail
Aren’t vanquisher bullets on the don’ts though
hollow saffron
@queen sail yes
zenith hazel
now it destroys not only tiles but your fps too
hollow saffron
henceforth strikethrough
bitter drift
still does post golem need a new grenade launcher (that counted as a rocket launcher)
hollow saffron
uh
zenith hazel
naw
bitter drift
ya good joke
hollow saffron
only people who use rockets are nasa
zenith hazel
tsunami is available at that point anyway
hollow saffron
tsunami < greatbow of turmoil
zenith hazel
yeah but is greatbow of turmoil in the guide?
bitter drift
is there a place ranger(more specific the rocket launchers) is lacking (that is anywhere post golem)?
sleek wadi
Scal.
zenith hazel
truth
sleek wadi
That's literally the only place ranger struggles
zenith hazel
don’t bring that gif up 
hollow saffron
heavenly gale noises
queen delta
i wont
zenith hazel
he will
bitter drift
except SCal?
zenith hazel
“probably” pre-DoG
queen delta
ranger is rather weak pre-DoG^
hollow saffron
zenith hazel
not that gif
hollow saffron
@queen delta seadragon
zenith hazel
the other one
bitter drift
ok then i guess i can put them at a post polter place
hollow saffron
which other one
queen delta
seadragon is lackluster
queen sail
Seadragon is good if you dual wield two of them and disable dwbalance
void kelp
seadragon used to be good ;A;
queen sail
queen delta
hollow saffron
Ranger needs a buff then?
zenith hazel
that one
hollow saffron
but last time i played ranged was before dog change
so idk if seadragon is still op now
queen delta
seadragon was pre-polter tier so it got nerfed to fit polter
hollow saffron
'o'
zenith hazel
DoG gets a change pretty much every update at this point
queen delta
but now thats all u have besides sulphurous acid cannon which no one else uses cuz its laggy
zenith hazel
daemon’s flame is something
hollow saffron
next dog change: touching the body inflicts god slayer inferno for 2 minutes
daemons flame is useless
tried it against dog
bitter drift
blind angerler a post polter grenade launcher.
gotten by: killing a chaotic puffer post poltergeist (8%) or can be crafted with: 20 chaotic bars, 5 ruinous souls, 10 chaotic cores, and an archer fish.
(need help with that what way should you get it in? crafting or enemy)
what it does?: shoot a small white bright dot that can light up the abyss, when an enemy touch it, it will explode.
the bright dot will grow over time in size and power until it explode (take 20 seconds to explode).
in the first 5 seconds the dot grows in size and power (damage), after 10 seconds the dot will explode at a larger radius, after the 12th second it shall inflict brimstone flame and abyssal flames, and in second number 17 the explosion stays for 4 seconds and after the 20th second the dot will explode.
(is this even balanced?)
what do you think now?
hollow saffron
you asked that b4
zenith hazel
chaotic puffer post-polter is like way too easy
bitter drift
then what should i put it on (puffer is the only chaotic enemy in the abyss)
zenith hazel
compared to the shit you have to go through for the other 4 classes
except for probably mage
hollow saffron
@bitter drift devil fish
bitter drift
that is even worst is it?
bitter drift
it need to be HARD to kill
hollow saffron
adult eidolon wyrm
bitter drift
what does that have to do with chaotic?
zenith hazel
are you saying that you want to make this weapon almost impossible to obtain?
bitter drift
no
zenith hazel
referring to AEW
bitter drift
ah
hollow saffron
he said it needed to be hard to kill
bitter drift
hard not imposable
hollow saffron
leviathan beat the wyrm tho
zenith hazel
y’all can argue with each other, I’m out, I’ve lost enough brain cells today nohitting
hollow saffron
F
bitter drift
i guess i will change the recipe (is phantom plasm a good crafting mat for it?)
bitter drift
no
hollow saffron
yes it should require phantoplasm
bitter drift
blind angerler a post golem grenade launcher.
gotten by: killing a chaotic puffer (8%) or can be crafted with: 20 luminite bars, 5 ruinous souls, 10 chaotic cores, 50 phantom plasm, and an archer fish.
what it does?: shoot a small white bright dot that can light up the abyss, when an enemy touch it, it will explode.
the bright dot will grow over time in size and power until it explode (take 20 seconds to explode).
in the first 5 seconds the dot grows in size and power (damage), after 10 seconds the dot will explode at a larger radius, after the 12th second it shall inflict brimstone flame and abyssal flames, and in second number 17 the explosion stays for 4 seconds and after the 20th second the dot will explode.
what way should i make it gotten by?
hollow saffron
chaos cores are hell to get
bitter drift
wot
hollow saffron
and by this time 99% of people have trashed the archerfish
I never have enough ectoplasm
also it seems overly complex
sleek wadi
That recipe is either post-ML or post-Providence, I forgot if Providence unlocked Phantoplasm
queen sail
ML unlocks phantoplasm
bitter drift
you are already coming to the dungeon for the phantom plasm
queen sail
You need prov for blood cores
bitter drift
right now there is no good rocket launcher that is good for DOG (correct me if i'm wrong)
hollow saffron
imagine using a rocket launcher for dog
sleek wadi
Isn't blissful bombardier a good weapon for DoG or has that been nerfed, assuming its a ranged weapon at all
queen sail
Bombardier was good, don’t know if it was nerfed lately
Bonbardier is probably good for cosmic guardians though
hollow saffron
bombardier was yes. at a time
queen sail
You also get Blind Angerler at post polter
Considering it uses ruinous souls
Also um
Not the most original name tbh
bitter drift
just saying (of Couse you will have a weapon post prov that is good for the cosmic guardians)
void kelp
doesn’t polt already drop a bow?
bitter drift
this is a rocket launcher
queen sail
How about we focus on giving rangers options in general instead of one specific thing
bitter drift
this doesn't help?
bitter drift
...
bitter drift
this was.... unexpected
hollow saffron
lmao
queen sail
Right now ranger has two pre dog launchers
hollow saffron
not at all related to daemons flame
queen sail
Bombardier and Handheld Tank
bitter drift
but are they good for DOG?
hollow saffron
but for real tho, who uses launchers anyway
distant gyro
post-polterghast bow, special effects
queen sail
Tank probably does good if a shot lands on the head
distant gyro
daemon's flame is already kinda in place of that
hollow saffron
never heard of someone making a launcher playthrough
bitter drift
when does you aim 
hollow saffron
@distant gyro i wanted a weapon that had something abyss related for rangers
only class without such an item
queen sail
Because launchers don’t have enough weapons
distant gyro
tbh do flamethrower
bitter drift
ISN'T THIS AN ABYSS WEAPON
queen sail
This is the same in vanilla
hollow saffron
melee has soul edge, magic has eidolic wail, summoners calamaris lament, and rogue valediction and reaper
bitter drift
also there is already a flamethrower from the abyss coming
queen sail
Flamethrower gets immunity frame shredding so it balances out
distant gyro
ranger has sulphuric acid cannon
hollow saffron
who uses that lmao
queen sail
Who even uses that
queen sail
Make it a bubble gun upgrade at the very least?
queen sail
Rn it’s an ingredient weapon for the omega blue enchant
bitter drift
there is an abyss flame thrower for DoG coming
hollow saffron
the duke fishron weapon?
queen sail
That’s all it’s worth
hollow saffron
!wiki bubble gun
distant gyro
Effervescence is already a bubble gun upgrade
red stormBOT
https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Effervescence
Not the correct result? Use !wiki page bubble gun for a direct link or !wiki search bubble gun for a list of all hits.
queen sail
Effervesence fucking sucks
hollow saffron
lmao who uses it tho
distant gyro
which one?
hollow saffron
you decide
queen sail
Neptune’s Bounty maybe
bitter drift
so if there are enough rocket launchers for DoG
is there a place that doesn't have a good place for an rocket launcher?
hollow saffron
@distant gyro i meant, ranged weapon
bitter drift
except that
distant gyro
minigun or sdfmg
hollow saffron
nowhere then
distant gyro
as I said
hollow saffron
yeah maybe
hollow saffron
should I change my suggestion then
queen sail
Honestly if not a ranged wep, than nep’s bounty
Abyss becomes significant again post polter so
hollow saffron
melee has terror blade and soul edge
queen sail
Do that
hollow saffron
i think theyre good
bitter drift
is there a place that is bad for rocket launcher that is not PHM
hollow saffron
lmao lmao
distant gyro
the hive is pretty meh against cultist ngl
hollow saffron
!wiki the hive
red stormBOT
hollow saffron
lmao who uses a launcher
bitter drift
the hive is post PBG
distant gyro
yea the pbg launcher
bitter drift
wait i miss read
distant gyro
it's decent on ravager but kinda bad on small targets like cultist
although it's good on the dragon
bitter drift
so it's back to post golem YAY
and the funny thing is that this weapon is the HARD COUNTER FOR LC
distant gyro
huh
bitter drift
like what is more dangers for LC then a bomb on your character
distant gyro
it's an inferior weapon though
bitter drift
wdym
distant gyro
especially because you have to aim and get close at the same time
tsunami is far better
distant gyro
yea that's also horrible for death mode
bitter drift
guess i have to finally drop this idea
hollow saffron
ranger: exists
LC: oh you're approaching me?
hollow saffron
lmao just use the astral blaster
bitter drift
talking about the rocket launchers
hollow saffron
o
queen sail
Astral Blaster is post LC
:begonethot:
We’re talking about ranger weps viable for lc
distant gyro
yeah because deus
bitter drift
damn it
distant gyro
sacred thorn
Stellar cannon
tired haven
Astral Bacteria Staff
Post-Astrum Deus Summoner weapon
Crafting: Stardust Cell Staff + 8 Astral Bars + 16 Stardust + 8 Stardust Fragments @ Ancient Manipulator
Alternative obtain method could be Astrum Deus drop
Summons Astral "Bacteria" that takes 2 summon slots. Acts quite similarly to Shellfish Staff, but the minions can fly quickly to attach to the enemy. They do not deal contact damage but apply "Astral Flu" Damage over Time (DoT) debuff. It is special: the more minions you have, the bigger damage will be dealt per minion (+20% buff per bacteria that touches enemy, starting from second one). For example, if 6 Bacterias touch enemy, each one adds double (1+0.2x5) DoT amount. Actual formula will look like (0.8 + 0.2 x n) x (D x n), where n stands for amount of bacterias and D stands for basic DoT damage.
Of course, this is just an example and final numbers and formula will be up to devs.
The purpose is giving summoner a celestial tier (pillars, deus) weapon option that will work especially great for pure summoners that have a lot of minion slots. Should be quite viable for Moon Lord (who is extremely painful to fight currently) and even some postML bosses, when Elemental Axes do not stack well.
How is that?
I plan on reducing the explanation of damage part but put the whole one here so the idea could be analyzed better
hollow saffron
and hello crabby boi
distant gyro
tired haven
Bacteria sounds better in my head but I'm not sure tbh, and yeah hello!
cyan lagoon
worthy fiber
👀
neon birch
👀
hollow saffron
@civic gust nice idea
however i feel that the defensive stage should be nerfed a bit
it should shoot fireballs slower but give +5% DR
civic gust
yeah thats actually a good idea
tired haven
In case it will give DR, only a first one/minion buff should
To prevent stacking memes
civic gust
true
tired haven
Astral Virus Staff
Post-Astrum Deus Summoner weapon
Crafting: Stardust Cell Staff + 6 Astral Bars + 16 Stardust + 8 Stardust Fragments @ Ancient Manipulator
Alternative obtain method could be Astrum Deus drop
Summons Astral "Blob" that takes 2 summon slots. Acts quite similarly to Shellfish Staff, but the minions can fly quickly to attach to the enemy. They do not deal contact damage but apply "Astral Flu", Damage over Time (DoT) debuff. It is special: the more blobs attach to the enemy, the bigger damage each one will provide (+10% per blob, starting from second one).
For example: 1 Blob - 100% dmg
6 Blobs - 900% dmg (150% x 6)
11 Blobs - 2200% dmg (200% x 11)
Of course, this is just a prototype and final numbers and formula will be up to developers.
The purpose is giving summoner a celestial tier (pillars, deus) weapon option that will work especially great for pure summoners that have a lot of minion slots, and is specialised against single targets. Should be quite viable for Moon Lord (who is extremely painful to fight currently, due to other options lacking either damage or "intelligence") and even some postML bosses, in case Elemental Axes do not stack well.
A slight redo
civic gust
wrong place..
bitter drift
no
civic gust
ok
bitter drift
i like the idea but i don't like the placement
(i feel like it needed to be post astral the ass as well as needed the stardust pillar)
fickle spruce
epic actual suggestions for more emojis
no reason to decline em anyway we have a million open spaces for em
civic gust
Its a good idea, but being able to upgrade the cell staff almost immediately feels a litrle off to me..
why not make it an upgrade to the spider staff with a few modifications?
@tired haven
tired haven
Because there are a lot weapons that are immediately upgraded, so why not add one more?
Besides, it's not pure upgrade, as the mechanics of weapon are drastically different, and you still need to beat a boss
And last but not least one is the fact that ML literally is a wall for summoner
hollow saffron
wall of cthulhu
tired haven
So the weapon tier is here... yeeup
civic gust
fair enough...
bitter drift
the wall of cthulhu is the wall of flesh
sacred thorn
Star dust dragon?
civic gust
has the brains of a speck of dust...
tired haven
The one weapon I referred to as lacking "intelligence", yeah
civic gust
i know how it feels, man
tired haven
It works on astrum deus however so can't complain
civic gust
i havent actually tried new AD...
sacred thorn
Wait mech worm is really bugged and stardust dragon isnt so shouldnt they use really similar code?
worthy fiber
You can't just copy-paste it
sacred thorn
Well obviously
civic gust
no its becuz the devs tried to give mechworm something called "intelligence"...
sacred thorn
Ig
tired haven
Well mechworm definitely sees the enemy from further and is faster to reach it
The cost of that is being a bug fest
sacred thorn
It reaches the enemy so fast that it starts growing on the enemy
tired haven
Breaks space-time matter and splits all over the place
civic gust
makes sense with doggo's lore...
sacred thorn
The bug is a feature
unique vector
@ashen warren the thing is with the empowered weapon idea
is that it would make more sense to craft said stuff
but i like the idea of new drops
even if its just one per each boss
ashen warren
Hmm... That can be better. Should be crafted with Bloodstone, then.
unique vector
there are already a ton of bloodstone weapons
not sure if adding more will be ideal
but go ahead
ashen warren
So, it's better to be drops rather than craftable.
Cloneamitas can have an empowered Animosity as a Revengeance exclusive drop.
Brimmy can have an empowered Seething Discharge as a normal drop after Providence.
As Brimmy already has a Revengeance exclusive drop after Providence, a mount.
lost agate
Ravager cries in a corner as its been forgotten
ashen warren
He already has an accessory
lost agate
And brimmy has a mount
ashen warren
But aside from that, she has no point to fight at all.
lost agate
Same with ravager potentially
ashen warren
Ravager can still be farmed for Bars of Life and Bloodstone.
And the accessory.
Maybe a rare variant of Ravager's one drop can spice it up.
lost agate
You can also farm brimmy for bloodstone so uuuuuh
ashen warren
But Brimmy is usually ignored after beating her in the supposed progression.
radiant meadow
I find a quick mining session to work faster than laying a smackdown on ravager
ashen warren
Same with Cloneamitas
radiant meadow
for getting bars of life
lost agate
Uh not really
I always killed brimmy and clone for bloodstone
Theyre way easier than the absolute tank that is ravager
radiant meadow
ravager is a lot more difficult than either brimmy or clone
and brimmy's mount is very useful
ashen warren
Well nevermind, let me express my drop ideas about these Trio:
- Brimmy drops a stronger version of Seething Discharge as a normal drop.
- Cloneamitas drops a stronger version of Animosity as a Revengeance exclusive drop.
- Ravager drops a rare variant of one of the two accessories that is dropped normally or one of its weapons.
ivory heart
Astral Furniture
Theme: Astral Infection
Ingredients: Astral Brick or Astral Monolith, Stardust, Fallen Stars (Candles, lamps, chandeliers, etc.)
I feel that the Astral Infection is mostly forgotten, and since I have already confirmed that NPCs can be housed in the Astral Infection, an Astral furniture set would help a lot to make the Astral Infection - and the game - feel more complete.
Also, builders may want to make themed houses, myself included, yet themed for bosses. Currently there is no way to make an Astral Infection themed house besides using Astral Brick and Astral Monolith in walls, both foreground and background, but the furniture is also an important part of a house.
lost agate
Astral furniture has been suggested a lot
smoky wagon
I think buffed calamitas needs some drop
Currently you can skip it while sticking with the other bosses
Theres no incentive to fight it
ivory heart
The real motive behind my suggestion is me wanting to build an Astrum Aureus house
: )
ashen warren
It can be added eventually.
smoky wagon
You can try painting other furniture sets for now
ivory heart
Nothing feels Astral-y, even when painted
ashen warren
@smoky wagon About what you said, maybe a rare variant of Cloneamitas drop can be done.
Or maybe a drop from her brothers.
smoky wagon
i think literally anything would work
lost agate
Having a rare variant while the other drops are ensured is kinda eeeeeeeh
ivory heart
@lost agate That’s what we get for other rare drops
bitter drift
maybe a clonemitas RIV of the flame thrower that is good for the leviathan boss
ashen warren
But rare variants are the reason to farm some of the crazy bosses and they serve as trophies.
lost agate
But brimmy and rav post provi drops are ensured
ashen warren
As they get outclassed eventually at some point.
lost agate
They take a while to get outclassed
smoky wagon
buff animosity and make it post provi maybe since currently animosity isnt very useful where it is
ashen warren
I said that a better version of Cloneamitas' rev drop can be an ensured drop.
smoky wagon
thats my best idea currently
lost agate
Would it be useful post provi tho?
radiant meadow
probably not going to happen
smoky wagon
Maybe useful for sentinels
lost agate
maybe
radiant meadow
claret cannon works fine for sentinels iirc
radiant meadow
also, animosity might just need a buff to be more on par with crossfire and magna striker
ashen warren
How about a rare variant of Blood Pact which triples your Max HP, but makes you get critically hit for a %50 chance.
smoky wagon
even for plantera
smoky wagon
sounds bad
lost agate
So blood pact but worse
sinful violet
^^
ashen warren
Ok, that's a terrible idea, I admit. But the empowered versions of Seething Discharge and Animosity as drops are still great.
Makes Ranger and Mage more viable.
lost agate
But how would they be unique?
ashen warren
Empowered Animosity is a Revengeance exclusive drop.
lost agate
RIVs cant just be the same weapon but stronger
lost agate
Eeeeh
smoky wagon
feels odd tbh
should we add a stronger version for all their weapon drops?
or just pick one
ashen warren
Pickin' one is better tbh
lost agate
It would just feel like copy paste
smoky wagon
also why does brimstone elemental need more new drops post-provi
it already has brimrose which is a good mount
ashen warren
A weapon can be great.
queen sail
Ravager only gets one new drop post provi though
And so does brimmy
So that just leaves doppelcal
ashen warren
Ok, we need a drop for Cloneamitas post Providence.
queen sail
Well technically bloodstone is post polter
smoky wagon
idt having clone drop a single weapon would be a big issue, cloud elementals get a new weapon drop
lost agate
I just told you theres 3 tiers of weapons
So we kinda dont
Theres a lot of weapons post provi
ashen warren
How about an accessory, then?
hollow saffron
@unique vector dont they already have a sound effect when they shoot the water
unique vector
i meant as a passive sfx
because unless they do shoot water you won't know they're there
unique vector
smh
worn salmon
hollow saffron
horse sounds
ashen warren
cronchy horse noises
fickle spruce
brimmy drops brimrose post provi
hollow saffron
but calamitas
queen delta
Meowshiv
ashen warren
holy shit no
ashen warren
Right
gloomy hazel
how about the cat-a-dagger?
hollow shell
nyiv
hollow shell
nyan shiv 
gloomy hazel
heh, I dunno
ashen warren
neko knife
tired haven
Nyanstabber tbh
queen delta
Would my changes be good for ML or would it end up being even more annoying?
tight gorge
Nyan Shiv
I struggle with ML as is, but I am a fan of change #4
Not sure I understand #2
tired haven
considering average practice with ai changes they almost always are more annoying
I'm mostly concerned about faster eyes
That seems to be a fix to the "just run away from ML"
But at the same time, if there is no alternative, it will easily ruin already ech fight
tight gorge
As for change #3, faster eyes seems to make up for change #1
queen delta
I put #3 in cuz theyre easy to outrun
hollow shell
RIP, I kinda like the vulnerable eye mechanic
smoky wagon
But ml teleports constantly if you run
queen delta
How about instead, the true EoCs teleport if they get too far away?
smoky wagon
They already do
tired haven
They only do if ML teleports too
smoky wagon
They teleport along with ML
smoky wagon
Honestly the only issue i have is tacking 3 extra eyes
unique vector
how about
tired haven
As is, the ML is faster than true eyes, so by running to one side you make true eye attacks negated while still being able to damage core
smoky wagon
maybe having a fourth and a fifth spawning at certain health intervals might be better
unique vector
not make them have contact damage
smoky wagon
it would make the fight get harder at the end instead of easier
unique vector
i fucking hate contact damage from the true eyes
its so dumb considering they're invulnerable anyway
and brimlings dont do contact damage so why do True Eyes
tired haven
I mean their bolt damage might as well be melee because it would hit you right after 99% of the time
unique vector
if you're going to stick with that idea, make it so that they spawn in a more spread out fashion
tight gorge
Hold on, Brimlings don't do contact damage?
unique vector
add "remove true eye contact damage"
tight gorge
That's news to me
unique vector
yes they dont
queen delta
And in deathmode, another spawns at 50% as well
unique vector
instead of just "+1 true eye" in death mode
make it so that they fire their death beams more frequently
or something
their attack cycle is slightly faster
that could work
queen delta
That works
unique vector
@zealous badge do you want to have an angry mob chase after you
unique vector
no i meant
zealous badge
i can farm a single boc and milk
unique vector
a mob of angry people
zealous badge
oh yes
sounds like a plan
but as of now
boc can be milked for money
pretty easily
unique vector
because that first suggestion for BoC
frail mantle
that right there sounds like a concept for Maso BoC
unique vector
sounds like you'll have people tracking your location to murder you
zealous badge
i call this a complete win
unique vector
almost everyone agrees although BoC might be easy, its a pain in the ass a fight
frail mantle
^
queen delta
I updated my suggestion
unique vector
mainly because its mechanics are absolute shit
also yata im gonna abuse you for this but
also suggest for true eyes to have a new sfx before they fire death lasers
young fog
zealous badge
though i might have another idea for his illusions
give illusions a name and a hp bar that cant be damaged so people cant just autopause
unique vector
bc sometimes they're offscreen and in nohitting it makes me puke
frail mantle
Rev BoC is fine as it is
queen delta
Rev and death BoC is pretty much exactly the same as expert
zealous badge
not really
as i said
i can milk boc for its drops
without killing it
for hours on end using the same boc
frail mantle
that's because of how it's designed in Vanilla
zealous badge
what boc is doing is equivelant of eow growing segments
we could have a non-replacable strong minions
but no
queen delta
I feel like the true EoCs needing sfx for laser walls are kinda unneeded since my changes are meant to prevent running in one direcion
zealous badge
we gotta zerg rush the player
unique vector
o ok fair
zealous badge
in expert mode, each creeper drops atleast 10 crimtane ore which when converted to bars can be sold for 1.20 gold
and that is the least
frail mantle
having BoC's illusions deal damage and have health would be like having 4 BoCs to bully you at once
tired haven
Friendly reminder that early bosses do not have to be hard, especially if you were able to beat them once already
and the creepers are economy issue, yes, but what about fixing it in another manner?
zealous badge
but deal half the damage
unique vector
friendly reminder that starcraft 2 and terrraria are very entirely different games
unique vector
just because it works in starcraft 2 doesn't mean it will be balanced or work well in terraria
i really don't think BoC needs any sort of buffing
zealous badge
just give boc -100 defence and see how it goes
unique vector
at best it needs an AI rework
queen delta
Illusions shouldnt have any purpose other than to confuse the player
unique vector
^
zealous badge
it fails at that even
queen delta
My changes are more aimed at rebalancing it rather than buffing/nerfing it
But LC is mostly buffing so
zealous badge
well what about give boc illusions a name and hp bar when you hover over it
but they still take 0 damage
unique vector
LC is line simulator unless you were an epic gamer like me and did an LC nohit without walking in a line
zealous badge
so you cant just press esc and check which is real
queen delta
Yeah thats why LC really needed changing
unique vector
the problem with LC is that his difficulty drastically increases if you do anything BUT walking in a line
frail mantle
doesn't BoC itself not display a health bar when you hover your cursor over it in Phase 2 in Expert tho
unique vector
and hes extremely easy to cheese with ceilings
zealous badge
it does?
queen delta
The projectile rain was one of the laziest mechanics ive ever seen to make a boss harder
tired haven
Lunatic cultist illusions have like 10 ways to differentiate from original
Brain of cthulhu is quite similar in that, really
The only thing that may be done imho is reducing illusion transparency
zealous badge
only difference of boc is that
it just has color difference
while LC has color, eye, name and many more differences
frail mantle
i don't think BoC has a color difference
queen delta
Its pretty easy to tell which one’s real even when BoC is extremely low
frail mantle
neither does LC
zealous badge
name difference exists
unique vector
well i could be wrong
zealous badge
decoys are called ancient cultists
there is a line over the hood
and real one glows faintly
signal prairie
I gotta agree, the projectile rain seems like a lazy thing
unique vector
the glow on the real one only becomes noticeable to the average player if its dark
or raining
zealous badge
yeah
signal prairie
^
queen delta
“The decoy’s left pinky finger is 1 pixel smaller than the real one’s”
zealous badge
imo LC, BOC and WOF are pretty lame
wall of flesh is basically outrunning a wall while blindly firing
queen delta
Ill focus on wof soon
fickle spruce
why do people add reactions to the exclamation mark
frail mantle
no idea
fickle spruce
isn't it just supposed to signify that the suggestion hasn't been reviewed yet
queen delta
Basically a way of saying “no”
tired haven
Inapproriate suggestion, in my glossary
signal prairie
^
tired haven
Though I know a lot of people use it more as "i don't like it" and not that
signal prairie
We need a yes and a no
signal prairie
Like a star for the yes, and ❎ for no
idle yarrow
is my idea stupid?
unique vector
not stupid in theory
but not practical since we are nowhere near being able to do anything xeroc related besides armor
idle yarrow
well i mean he'd sell you stuff like his summon and the summon for any possible bosses after him
signal prairie
Xeroc is going to be the last boss in the Calamity mod
ashen warren
Last superboss, not boss.
hollow saffron
@maiden eagle brealor and statis are dead
ashen warren
Last boss will be Yharim.
queen delta
@idle yarrow protip: dont suggest stuff for other stuff that doesnt exist
idle yarrow
lol sorry
frail mantle
also having Xeroc as a town npc would be weird
ashen warren
Yeah, he is the creator and the controller of you and your world.
smoky wagon
Canonically why would xeroc fart around your shitty npc town
idle yarrow
xeroc at this point would take enough intrest to rarely visit your village
hollow saffron
therefore he will sell stuff to you because he is basically a god
smoky wagon
Not really tbh
frail mantle
i mean, imagine the actual creator of the universe walking up to you like "hey kid, wanna buy some fuckin torches?"
chrome holly
It's not very sound lore-wise
idle yarrow
LOLO
hollow saffron
@frail mantle LMAO
chrome holly
Xeroc is more like "I don't give a flying fuck about you" than anything else
idle yarrow
Well who revives you after you piss yharim off?
signal prairie
Dies, revives self 
idle yarrow
Ehh Its stupid i guess
smoky wagon
I feel like xeroc would just give you some free candy that kills you instantly
What does it need money for
idle yarrow
Ehhhh
maybe it can be like angler
where he'll make you do stupid shit to amuse him
hollow saffron
zeroc wouldnt even be present visibly in the world
he would just be there
maybe once in a while hed drop you some gifts or smth
idle yarrow
I mean what does he look like boss fight wise?
hollow saffron
yes.
idle yarrow
Devs can we get concept art for that?
signal prairie
No one knows what Xeroc will look like. It's a mystery to everyone
idle yarrow
Aww
ashen warren
Well, there was an old sprite of Xeroc released. He looked like a Giant Purple Moth.
idle yarrow
I thought it'd be good way to summon yharim rematch
radiant meadow
@queen delta empty sockets firing stuff was removed
it was removed the same update eidolists were removed and ml got a shorter teleport distance
zenith hazel
~~having a universal god as a town NPC 
~~
opaque grail
can I date the moon lord pls
unique vector
termi being blunt
radiant meadow
also the accessory sounds way too op
okay I'm sorry if I missed something >:C
why don't you change it
radiant meadow
then sign in?
queen delta
Aight fine since i have nothing else to do
Do they shoot both eyes and bolts?
Or just eyes
radiant meadow
wdym?
teal ibex
moonlord hands cycle between homing eyes, big hovering eyes, and bolts
upon dying they do nothing
radiant meadow
empty sockets don't do anything
other than have low contact dmg to fuck up nohits
queen delta
Aight
teal ibex
tbh i'd love a world where the moonlord fight could reliably be close to the boss but even in vanilla that's just not the best way to fight it, there's too many angles for you to be decimated at
that being said some further running-away-strat nerfs would be good
radiant meadow
the last changes to ml were a good step in the right direction though
teal ibex
ye definitely
mossy light
thanks to that 1 person who personally despises me
frail mantle
what
mossy light
radiant meadow
suggestions are meant to be discussed in here, not a google form
radiant meadow
also, it's best if you gave a brief description on what's inside the document
gusty geode
Tbh quest lines to bring back people you wouldn't normally be able to meet would be pretty cool
opaque grail
Also 1 suggestion with 2000 words seems weird, it's also hard to vote on a suggest if you have a tonne of them, in case someone likes some parts but not the others
void kelp
I’d really appreciate if your message had a summary of what the suggestion was
gloomy hazel
@queen delta and how about the Moon Lord stand still while he use his laser beam? Because he moves and follow your movements while doing so, which means sometimes you can't dodge the laser at all unless you have the Rod of Discord or the Normality Relocator to get past behind its trajectory safely.
If the ML had to stand still while using his beam laser from his head, at least you can have a chance of dodging it by circling around the casting center of the beam. But when he moves (and I mean by following your movements), either you can't dodge it, either you need extremely well timed positioning to circle around his head.
unique vector
no, you can dodge it
if you move early enough you can circle the entire thing
no need to make him still
additionally that would disrupt the flow of the fight
gloomy hazel
But why does Providence stand still when she use a laser beam then?
gloomy hazel
Oh okay, she moves slower, but it kind of proves my point with Providence
queen delta
theres more at provi's plate than ML's
you have the crystal and a bunch of other stuff
unique vector
theres far less to worry about with ML that is correct
queen delta
and the way provi moves, would really make the ray bullshit if she didnt slow down or anything
Ml's already pretty slow and chill
unique vector
its exactly why they added her being slower during laser use
gloomy hazel
I personally have very rarely managed to dodge the ML's laser beam. It swipes for two thirds of a circle in 2 seconds, the ML itself follows your movements which I think makes positioning harder around his body.
ivory heart
New NPC: Boss Hunter
Sells boss summon items in place of various town NPCs, leaving room for them to sell more items. This also reduces the hassle of guessing which NPC will sell which summon item.
This is more of a QoL change, as even if the houses of the NPCs that sell boss summons are close, a single NPC that sells all of the boss summons would make it easier for other players that make the mistake of placing NPCs far away from each other if they need to farm multiple bosses.
unique vector
i mean when you predict when he shoots the laser it becomes far easier to deal with
sounds good rifter
gloomy hazel
I've never been able to predict where and in what clockwise direction he'd shoot the laser
queen delta
he always shoots depending on which side you're on
if you're on the left side, he shoots the laser going towards you never from above
radiant meadow
Boss Hunter would be helpful so people actually know that someone sells Truffle Worm
queen delta
same for right side
ivory heart
: )
hollow shell
No, it's craftable
gloomy hazel
It's the Truffle, I think I remember
ivory heart
It is
terse sundial
Amidias will sell it
hollow shell
It is indeed craftable
ivory heart
Hold on WHAT
hollow shell
But you can also get it from Amidias
terse sundial
otherwise it is craftable
unique vector
but if theres an NPC that sells it
radiant meadow
See this is exactly what I mean
unique vector
that makes it a lot more efficient
radiant meadow
unique vector
wait why in the hell would amidias have a truffle worm
ivory heart
Posted
radiant meadow
Because fishron was Amidias' pet
unique vector
ah that makes sense
ivory heart
oh
gloomy hazel
Wait...I thought it was the Truffle who sold it...
unique vector
i haven't read up on the lore in a while
ivory heart
ok
hollow shell
It could have been moved from the Truffle when Amidias was added
unique vector
ye
gloomy hazel
Oh well...
radiant meadow
Tamed by feeding fishron its favorite food, truffle worms
ivory heart
It makes no sense, considering the Sunken Sea and the Ocean are completely different bodies of water in different depths
hollow shell
They used to live higher up when the Desert was an ocean
and when it got evaporated, Duke fled to the other ocean and I guess Amidias hid in a clam
unique vector
he let the clam eat him maybe idk
besides this is a #lore-discussion convo
@mystic geyser can you please elaborate on what that means?
hollow shell
Hm
radiant meadow
calamity probably wouldn't add rev exclusive drops to Thorium bosses until it's finished
gilded badger
I feel like this is one of the cases where lore and gameplay shouldn’t mix. Amidias gets no new items ever afaik, other than the truffle worm
radiant meadow
Amidias should get more items ye
gilded badger
Ok that’s fine but he also only gets one boss summon
unique vector
post duke items would sound hot
hollow shell
Yeah that'd make sense
unique vector
"oh, i see you've killed my pet... at least sell his parts to me."
radiant meadow
gilded badger
The other sold boss summons at least make a little sense from a first impression, where the worms location is only lore based and otherwise seemingly random
hollow shell
It would make a lot more sense for the Truffle to sell the Truffle Worm if you didn't know that lore detail
gilded badger
Or the dryad/witch doctor
civic pond
Yes yes
ivory heart
Yes
hollow shell
@harsh latch It is
harsh latch
isn't it a 10% drop chance tho?
hollow shell
No
civic pond
might as well kill an AEW and find out
queen sail
@ivory heart But Fargo’s :echthink:
unique vector
radiant meadow
Used to but not anymore
queen sail
@mystic geyser All fab was allowed to do was boss stat adjustments
harsh latch
souka. Ok, I'll remove the suggestion then
fresh harbor
Yeah, I think thorium/calamity cross content needs more than just a 90 star suggestion
hollow shell
I'm assuming it's a different situation
Modifying Thorium boss AI would involve much more in-depth (and invasive?) changes than having Thorium bosses drop new items
unique vector
at its best calamity would buff thorium items to meet rev difficulty
doing anything in relation to AI alteration would be much more complicated and wouldn't be allowed by thorium devs probably
although it depends
fresh harbor
Imagine the size of the mod if thorium and calamity fused into a single one though
It's a dream but a far away one
gilded badger
What if he just means things like stress pills from the bags
hollow shell
We'll find out once he elaborates.
hollow shell
I hope that's what he means because that's more doable and understandable
cuz it's just consistency
nothin new or special
ivory heart
Halibut Cannon V2 (Biscuit Cannon)
Shoots 12-18 bullets every 6 ticks. The bullets deal ~48/64 (Post-Yharon) damage each.
Crafted using a Halibut Cannon, 90 Voidstone, 25 Depth Cells, 5 Cloaking Glands, 25 Tenebris, 15 Reaper Teeth, 7 Chaotic Bars, and a Megalodon.
I’m not sure if this is even allowed but I’ll see anyway. If it’s not then at least I tried
unique vector
i would give that a fat no
can we add a rule that says to not suggest for upgrades to reference/meme items purely because they are references/memes
hollow shell
Well that would already just fall under meme suggestion