oh yeah i'll make it use mana
#suggestions-discussion
mystic sandal
ashen warren
sounds like someone is hurt that their suggestion didn't get implemented
tame moss
To be fair it isn’t our mod
smoky wagon
If they implemented a large amount of suggestions they would never have time to do other things
frail mantle
suggestions usually get in if the Devs think the suggestion is a good idea and it's not too hard to code
also^
smoky wagon
New content is usually planned way ahead in advance for the development to be structured
There have been a few weapons added from suggestions like the great sand shark+its drops
But that was when the community was smaller
frail mantle
also the Chaos/Tranquility candles
smoky wagon
oh yeah those
mystic sandal
remember the chaotic days when #suggestions-voting and #suggestions-discussion were the same thing?
queen sail
I’m pretty sure the Terraria Forum Suggestions go through a similar process
The suggestion where the Peace Candle came from was a pink gel expansion
Only the candle got in
frail mantle
very few suggestions are added because the Devs have more important things that they are busy with
mystic sandal
yeah mostly the nerf suggestions are added
but that doesn't mean you should never write suggestions
if they're fun, go ahead
smoky wagon
i wish there was a convenient way to search for and view implemented suggestions
idt you can search for reactions
frail mantle
i mainly write suggestions to improve classes in areas where they feel lacking
which is one reason why most of my suggestions are Summon Weapons
mystic sandal
i write suggestions mostly to add a weapon drop to a boss that doesn't have many(i.e. Inkthrower) or upgrade a forgotten weapon(i.e. Abyssal Maw Staff)
unique vector
@steel raptor a lot of the suggestions that are sent through are either mediocre or go against what is planned for calamity mod's future updates
although for your suggestion im not sure what fab's reason behind rejecting it was
opaque grail
is toast whining cuz his suggestion didnt get added
thats what I gathered from his messages
ivory heart
Airstaff
Crafted from 50 Wood, 5 Sunplate Blocks, and 8 Essence of Sunlight at a Hardmode Anvil. It attacks like a spear, but fires an air wave every time it attacks. The staff itself deals 60 damage with no knock back, and the airwaves deal 5 damage but deal insane knock back and slow enemies down considerably, with a chance of confusion. You can then attack the slowed-down enemy with a strong damaging sword for a simple easy-ish kill.
gloomy hazel
Just a quick question, what's the maximum size in pixel for accessories?
64x64?
I guess it's 32x32
sleek wadi
Melee does not need yet another sword for post-ML. If Melee needs any weapons for post-ML, they should be either spears, yo-yos, flails, or boomerangs.
gloomy hazel
What's the size of an accessory? Is it 32x32 pixels?
just asking, because I'm doing one sprite
radiant meadow
@ashen warren star wrath already makes galactus blade
zenith hazel
doesn't the burning sky already do that too?
gloomy hazel
Before I suggest my accessory, how do you think is the Moon Lord in Revengance?
Is he tough to fight?
signal prairie
He's pretty chill
gloomy hazel
Oh...
loud steeple
i really dont see a difference in the fight aside from having to kill the true eyes
gloomy hazel
the time I tried to kill him with a ranged set, I kind of struggled to fight him even in normal mode tbh...
don't judge me...
radiant meadow
ranger is probably the best class for moon lord
gloomy hazel
I'm feeling ridiculed 
I was going to make my item a post-Deus item...but I'll move it to post-ML
radiant meadow
so basically a free dodge every 15 seconds but 30% reduced max health?
gloomy hazel
yup
the 30% reduced max health is a pretty big downside, but I thought it would make the accessory more balanced since it already grants a shield
It's not like you would be invincible with this shield. If you lose it, you might suffer.
Some of the post-ML armors grants death prevention, right? And they don't give any debuff.
Permafrost's concoction prevents death as well, but it freezes the user temporarily.
I mean...I tried to make my suggestion balanced. Does it feel so, to you?
radiant meadow
It's a good concept. At worst, it'll just get nerfed like 10 times like siren's heart 
queen delta
wintry raptor
it seems very very strong imo
if you're getting hit more than once every 15 seconds you're in a lot of trouble anyways
proven tide
@hollow saffron cosmic cuasar
hollow saffron
idk
proven tide
proven tide
alternately it doesn't need an adjective
hollow saffron
e
proven tide
supernova
proven tide
fair
queen sail
Sounds a lot like Shattered Sun with the Eradicator effect
hollow saffron
provi comes from the sun
proven tide
but cosmilite doesn't work
hollow saffron
shattered sun
proven tide
in the first place
proven tide
i think you've missed the point of the progression line
queen sail
If you wanna stick with a Shattered Sun upgrade
hollow saffron
Eh fair
queen sail
Then again like
Most of the late post ml ingredient weapons in the exo recipes get barely used when you reach post yharon
hollow saffron
Yeah
proven tide
you get diamonds, that shine like no other; flawless prisms, that sparkle even in the flooded caverns of the sunken sea; astral materials that pulse with the energy of a star; then fragments from the heart of a dying sun, whose holy light came to incinerate all
how can you progress further into light?
queen sail
Darksun?
proven tide
cosmilite is such a left turn
hollow saffron
true
queen sail
Also tbh Prismalline to Radiant Star is a bit of a stretch
hollow saffron
the only way to make the light shine brighter is to make the area around it darker
proven tide
darksun isn't the lifeless remnant of a star as it implies
proven tide
it's just a blocking of the light of a healthy sun
queen sail
It’s both lunar and solar energy
Can’t be post yharon, because it gets turned into Celestus by then
proven tide
diamonds are particularly reflective; prisms literally shine; stars are defined as symbols of light; then a dying sun will fuck you up with the raw energy output
hollow saffron
So basically supernova
proven tide
it's a progression of higher and higher light levels, regardless of how they're produced
hollow saffron
Well a supernova goes to a black hole
proven tide
the only brighter thing than a shattering sun is a quasar
which is uh
pre-shattered sun
hollow saffron
A quasar is a black hole
queen sail
Don’t ask me
hollow saffron
ok
opaque grail
quasars are also not directly black holes
hollow saffron
I know
opaque grail
its the area involving a black hole and the dust around it
jovial spire
Kidnap Xeroc and force him to make something beyond that
hollow saffron
But the light is caused by the gas falling into a black hole
jovial spire
proven tide
"Although quasars appear faint when viewed from Earth, they are visible from extreme distances, being the most luminous objects in the known universe."
so uh
queen sail
Tbh it’s more of the fault of the riv of Radiant Star just getting a cool name
proven tide
the darkest and lightest objects known are simultaneously covered by the quasar
so like
basically
we got fucc
jovial spire
^
opaque grail
A lot of people prefer the shield
hollow saffron
and it can be used for dashing
opaque grail
and also you'd punish players by preventing them from getting an item for using a tougher difficulty
hollow saffron
e.g. crabbar's dad mode playthrough
jovial spire
they both have the same dash length
idle yarrow
Hmm but doesn't the counter scarf do the same thing?
hollow saffron
counter scarf dodge is banned for nohits
jovial spire
No?
radiant meadow
they both dash, yes
hollow saffron
^
radiant meadow
but dash effects are different
hollow saffron
^^
idle yarrow
oh
jovial spire
Sheild can ram stuff
radiant meadow
forcing the player to always use scarf can limit the player
opaque grail
shield prevents u from entering them which is WAY better, gives a minor def buff and isnt jank
idle yarrow
i thought it was just a direct upgrade
jovial spire
and does damage when it hits something
opaque grail
thats why u do research before suggesting
idle yarrow
sorry i read through it cuz i just got it
hollow saffron
!wiki counter scarf
red stormBOT
hollow saffron
read up mate
idle yarrow
sorry
hollow saffron
tis ok
idle yarrow
can EoC still be combined with something? cuz that'd be cool
hollow saffron
eoc?
idle yarrow
eoc shield
hollow saffron
i dont think it can be tbh
devout seal
Hmm..
Why not suggest a Twins upgrade?
and also a change to the recipe of Asgard's Valor?
hollow saffron
why asgards valor
devout seal
cause asgard's valor suddenly gets a dash, but none of the components have it..
so..
why not add a new component that does?
neon birch
use it for asgards aegis
hollow saffron
what needs to be changed tbh
neon birch
since that's the expert only upgrade
devout seal
pretty much everyone plays on expert, though
but, i don't see why it should be put into the post DoG one
devout seal
Rev requires expert.
neon birch
i mean i don't see why you should make a non expert accessory into an expert one when there already is an expert only upgrade
kinda unnecessary
devout seal
Because i kinda wanna just give it a reason to actually have a dash, rather then it just appearing.
maybe i could do somethin with one of the other materials instead of introducing something new..
lucid marsh
Is there a notification for when a suggestion has been marked as highly suggested because it met the star requirement a second time?
Or not notification, a reaction
proven tide
@dire niche there are so many issues with that i'm not even going to start unpacking them
hollow saffron
@dire niche bruh
proven tide
try not to any of that
proven tide
wow that's rude smh
hollow saffron
mobile players spamming "oMg pIcK Me fOr bETa teStiNG" in the terraria discord broke my wifi
balmy coyote
its one of those things where I cant tell if its a joke or not
thats how silly the idea is
proven tide
brain*
hollow saffron
just, delete it tbh
proven tide
if it's a joke that actually adds two layers of bad
you already know what your problem issuggestion memes
hollow saffron
^
marsh gust
@dire niche im deleting that suggestion as for the reasons mentioned by these lovely people above
zenith hazel
there’s no reason either
ashen warren
BRUH
zenith hazel
make it because yes
marsh gust
put effort when you send suggestions
ima go finish my coffee
proven tide
acknowledge that mobile phones are redcode land and suck so tmod is never going to touch them
hollow saffron
pc players tposing on mobile players
proven tide
consider facts, context, and who you're addressing when you approach making suggestions
balmy coyote
pc players tposing on everyone that isnt a pc player*
proven tide
use this channel to post your suggestions for review ahead of time
ashen warren
no memes here 
proven tide
understand that memes are not allowed
marsh gust
@hollow saffron no meme-ing in this channel smh
proven tide
oh hey, how topical
hollow saffron
oh sorry
ashen warren
do ya know
ashen warren
i didn't get that impression
hollow saffron
i deleted it anyway
queen sail
:begonethot:
proven tide
try to invest effort in your suggestion so as to give the developers guidance and help other users get behind your train of thought
hollow saffron
^
marsh gust
occasional memes r fine in #general-talk, but not in this chat where more serious convos happen
hollow saffron
ok
zenith hazel
the thing is probably 50% of suggestions don’t do that
queen sail
50% of suggestions are either catered to the suggester or ignore the suggestion don’ts tbh
proven tide
hey what about the mech mount
ashen warren
at least the mech mount has effort
zenith hazel
did he get banned or something? haven’t seen him around
ashen warren
i think he got muted
queen sail
Probably left on his own will.
marsh gust
some people just get in the server, put a suggestion and left/not ever talk again
ashen warren
some is an understatement
queen sail
Dovah’s mounts are repetitive but you can tell he tries to make it work.
Some rando suggested adding a bike mount and wouldn’t shut up about it.
For like
2 hours.
ashen warren
and it had to be specifically red, like what shit did this guy wanna do with that bike
queen sail
And it somehow got 66 stars.
ashen warren
that's 67 stars too many
queen sail
Not only that he wanted Calamity to do it.
No other mod, despite saying he could “code it in himself”.
proven tide
9/83 suggestions in the last full week have reached 100
queen sail
That’s good.
proven tide
haha yes almost exactly 90% of suggestions have died
i wish we had a more competent suggester base
queen sail
It’s a public server. You get anyone.
queen sail
You’ve got a point there.
marsh gust
queen sail
Expanding my nanomachines
proven tide
10%>>amount of recognised suggestions
queen sail
Some people just want cool shit for some reason.
proven tide
i just want my fucking nightmare bee
i haven't even posted it yet
i'm going to pay for it
ashen warren
I honestly don't care
proven tide
hang on i'ma do that right now brb
ashen warren
Calamity is pretty fucking great as it is
queen sail
There’s a lot to consider making Exo Weapons but people still want them because “Unga bunga op flashy effect”.
Calamity has issues, but I still accept it regardless.
That’s how you learn to appreciate things.
proven tide
@left sparrow that essentially boils down to 'more'
the developers need a bit more indication as to what direction to take with their suggestions, like weapon concepts or preferable niches to fill
queen delta
Smh people focusing on post ML when early hardmode summoner is 
weak
proven tide
i know right
queen sail
Summoner weapons are aids to code so you really have to be convincing if you want the devs to add one in.
proven tide
to be fair, post-ml is the defining calamity stuff
queen delta
Also maybe come up with a summon weapon so the devs dont have to do it themselves
queen sail
Also your suggestion lacks direction.
left sparrow
One at a time please XD
proven tide
okay let me itemise this
lost agate
Doesnt post provi have the profaned soul artifact?
left sparrow
So yes, it’s vague. Last time I tried to make a weapon, it was the player using her main crystal to summon two types of sentries, depending on whether you left or right clicked
But that is a rare accessory, not a weapon
queen delta
Rare?
left sparrow
Isn’t it?
lost agate
rare
How tf
queen sail
lost agate
You craft it
left sparrow
I thought the chances were low, tf did I read on the wiki
queen delta
And the materials are common
proven tide
craftable be like
queen sail
The only RIV she drops is Samurai Badge
left sparrow
Hm... well, that means it isn’t a weapon she drops.
queen sail
comic sans
queen delta
Cmon, vetus, lets be a bit more respectful
terse sundial
comic sans on my wiki?
proven tide
That's fair
queen sail
You could just smack Polterghast and then nab a Calamari’s Lament.
proven tide
Well, you say smack Polter, but that's four bosses later
queen sail
That’s essentially a UFO staff upgrade.
terse sundial
A summoner weapon makes sense for many bosses to have
left sparrow
You can do that with an elemental weapon. Literally any other class would have more weapons to do that with
lost agate
If anything, post provi is where summoner shines
left sparrow
Once she drops a summoner weapon, of course
terse sundial
that balance of weapons from each boss will come soon enough
queen delta
Summoners could use something instead of entropy’s vigil
terse sundial
but for now, yeah stick with the PSA as it's really good
it would most likely be better then any drop that would exist in it's current state
left sparrow
So basically, we don’t need to worry about post ml, with nearly no summoner variety compared to other classes, to focus on early hm, where there are vanilla options that also work.
queen sail
Pirate Staff memes
queen delta
Optic staff and spider staff is 
lost agate
Half of the summoners from vanilla suck ass
ashen warren
half
queen delta
All except stardust dragon suck ass
queen sail
The fucking ML summons are complete ass
left sparrow
See? We don’t need to worry about that when we have less post ml summon weapons than we do summon weapons
queen delta
And imps are good too ig
lost agate
I only found myself using slime staff or spiders
queen sail
It’s the final boss and all summoners get is dogshit
queen sail
That’s like saying “We have food at home” when the only food at home is rotten chicken
left sparrow
This why I say, in a vague way, that we get a summoning weapon at Providence
Well, from Providence
lost agate
Then dont be vague, also we dont as already stated
We need good stuff for pre ml
Quality over quantity
queen delta
^
queen sail
Entropy’s Vigil is a clutch for Summoners to compensate though, right
queen delta
Entropy’s vigil gets bad quick
left sparrow
But we also need good stuff for post provi.
lost agate
Entropy is the only good summon up to LC iirc
We already have good stuff for post provi
queen delta
elemental axe not being good
left sparrow
Like what?
lost agate
Elemental axe, tarragon armor, profaned soul artifacts, and literally all the following summoner items are hella good
lost agate
If you wanna ignore the facts then so be it
queen delta
PSA: Use Profaned Soul Artifact
left sparrow
Elemental axe is pre provi
queen sail
gonna put that on my list as the new worst pun I’ve ever made
pliant bone
Then there is Signus dropping Lamps
lost agate
Heck, PSA got a nerf cuz it was too strong vs doggo
left sparrow
My idea did revolve around a sentry the last attempt I made to give her a summon item...
lost agate
more sentries in that tier :ech:
queen sail
There’s already a sentry though
lost agate
3*
queen sail
To compensate for the ass ML sentries
lost agate
Theres basically 3 sentries in that tier
queen delta
2 are redundant tho
queen sail
Energy Staff is pretty generic but it’s honestly better than Lunar Portal and Rainbow Crystal
Because at least the Energy Staff hits
proven tide
honestly i've a soft spot for the rcs
frail mantle
cinderplate can be crafted i think
neon birch
ye
neon birch
it's like smth with hellstone
hollow shell
(and of course the suggestion remains up)
gloomy hazel
Did someone mention my works?
bitter drift
i don't think so
frail mantle
yea they did
gloomy hazel
Yay!
void kelp
It looks sweet
fickle spruce
@mystic sandal yeah you can make cinderplates with 3 obsidian and 6 hellstone
bitter drift
@finite dock wdym
finite dock
I mean that my friend who plays ranger deals like 3x my dmg :(
gloomy hazel
Uuuuh...can you like give some proper reasoning behind it?
Because "my friends' stronger than me" is not what I'd call a proper reason
distant gyro
rogue has always been the superior class
bitter drift
ya
finite dock
A proper reason.
At the same point in the game, there is a huge gap in dps. And the rogue doesn't even have a special benefit in my opinion.
zenith hazel
are you sure you're playing it right?
gloomy hazel
I think the rogue class is balanced in its state imo
bitter drift
i played rogue and while i found some challenges (post WoF) it was really fun and many time balanced
finite dock
It's pretty okay yeah, but my friend just deals a lot more damage at the same point in the game. So that makes me think that the rogue is inferior compared to ranger.
bitter drift
look ranger is broken pls don't compare ranger to other classes
finite dock
@bitter drift
distant gyro
crystalline, seafoam, lionfish, paleolith, brimblade, plaguenades, ele disk, the reaper, exec blade, infernal spear, celestus, and scarlet devil
finite dock
that's prob my problem, I am comparing them
bitter drift
was on corruption
distant gyro
I think you just don't know how to use it tbh
finite dock
And playing terraria in general. I was just thinking that it is a lot weaker than (the op) ranger
bitter drift
disks are bad on prov
sturdy dock
ranger is really strong from what i heard, we're adding a ton to rogue soon so it should eventually be just as good and fleshed out
finite dock
@distant gyro Using the accesories class setup is telling me to use.
zenith hazel
disks are strong, you just have to be smart
bitter drift
spear of the desert elemental is good when you are above the enemy
distant gyro
disks have 25k dps; although inconsistent
finite dock
Mate
bitter drift
disks have 25k dps; although inconsistent
never on prov
finite dock
It's not a big deal
finite dock
I just got elemental disk and has around 5K dps on improved dummy, better tha the malachite we grinded for xd
bitter drift
or just make prov's hit box better
distant gyro
wtf
bitter drift
reason for this happening:
prov hitbox is so big that the elemental disks don't brake reality
frail mantle
iirc the only part where Rogue is subpar is early HM
distant gyro
ele disk is literally dq bait on provi though
finite dock
what is iirc
bitter drift
ya even mechs were easier
distant gyro
and no because paleolith melt
distant gyro
shoot paleolith upwards -> use adrenaline -> insane profit
finite dock
what is paleolith xd
bitter drift
HM spear that is made with titanium
finite dock
At what point to you get that OP spear?
bitter drift
post WoF
ashen warren
Start of HM
bitter drift
best VS mechs
finite dock
im already past mechs :(
distant gyro
right after wof
ashen warren
Say that to death prime , then well talk
bitter drift
you will still need it for that upgrade
finite dock
After wof I got spear fo destiny
distant gyro
spear of destiny is good too
finite dock
What are we actualy discussing at the moment?
bitter drift
idk
distant gyro
how rogue is actually good
bitter drift
rogue weapons
distant gyro
bitter drift
finite dock
I never said rogue was bad :(
finite dock
cool
pliant bone
bitter drift
don't you do it
do not even think about doing it
do not even think about not doing it
zenith hazel
early hm rogue ain't too bad
you have your prismalline which helps with cryogen
after that, you have ice stars to shred the 2 worms
bitter drift
and the spear that shreds the mechs
zenith hazel
if anything, it's good, but not as strong as ranger at that point
bitter drift
yes
zenith hazel
bitter drift
zenith hazel
ranger is actually pretty consistently good for mechs/alt-mechs
not too sure about rogue
bitter drift
the destroyer have been DESTROID
finite dock
why you spell it like that :(
bitter drift
JS&B meme
radiant meadow
@mystic sandal you can craft Cinderplate
I think it uses Hellstone. While there is technically a limited amount of hellstone, you'll have to make way more than the amount of Cinderplate you need to run out.
loud steeple
thats not bad at all
golden kayak
You have Legendary Blossom Flux from plantera, or am I dumb?
frail mantle
ye
frail mantle
sure
bitter drift
well for start it is an abyss weapon
i'm not sure on the class ranger or rogue.
it is based of the angler
it works by spawning a ball of light on the spot the player was when used and when an enemy steps on it or after some time it explode (resembling grenades and RPGs)
what do you think?
frail mantle
sounds interesting
bitter drift
also the explosion isn't normal
it puts debuffs
much larger explosions
does more damage the longer it stays
tired haven
"
Give Storm Weaver "ghost ground" feature so it can turn mid-air if flying too far away
What is "ghost ground"? It is AI feature when worm can act like it is burrowing ground despite being in air. Examples are DoG phase 1 (purple), Destroyer.
The reasons are following:
- Prevent this boss from most despawn scenarios. Due to the nature of falling almost horizontally, Storm Weaver often makes up so huge distance with you while falling from average skybridge that game force-despawns it.
- Will make a fight tad more threatening. Currently, if you bait Storm Weaver into falling, it takes very long time for it to turn around and rush you (a lot of times you get free adrenaline due to that). With consistent and quick turns, Storm Weaver's leaps will keep fight tense.
"
Any commentaries on that one?
frail mantle
i like
night cradle
^
queen delta
lost agate
Yeah i was thinking it should be able to turn around midair if DoG can
queen delta
@golden sonnet Pretty sure that’s luiafk’s job, not calamity’s
golden sonnet
alright, fair point, as luiafk does potions weird
figured I might as well throw it in
queen delta
You could contact them if you want it changed
radiant meadow
That would like require weaver to use a new AI
Right now, it's based off of worm AI
queen delta
then just do that or remove enrage
ashen warren
and yes, my suggestion is a reference to Suction Cup Man
tired haven
I mean, it's not enrage's fault weaver drops like 30 degrees to horizon for eternity, seeking the ground to turn around
It was present well before the SW change, just that you could follow him most of the time before
Now it just nyooms out of existence
tired haven
Ye, that too
bitter drift
blind angerler a post golem grenade launcher/rogue weapon(i don't know if to put it as ranger or rogue).
gotten by: killing a chaotic puffer (8%) or can be crafted with: 20 chaotic bars, 5 grenades, 10 chaotic cores, and an archer fish.
what it does?: spawn a small white bright dot that can light up the abyss, when an enemy touch it, it will explode.
the bright dot will grow over time in size and power until it explode (take 20 seconds to explode).
in the first 5 seconds the dot grows in size and power (damage), after 10 seconds the dot will explode at a larger radius, after the 12th second it shall inflict brimstone flame and abyssal flames, and in second number 17 the explosion stays for 4 seconds and after the 20th second the dot will explode.
what do you think? (i need help)
queen sail
@golden sonnet Literally just get 30 of a calamity potion in a stack and it counts
This works for any modded potion
ashen warren
it has a requirement to be met
golden sonnet
no, it wont disable the vanilla potions was what I was saying
but as Yata said, its more of a Luiafk issue
and mod compatibility is pretty low in priority
loud steeple
what is it
bitter drift
blind angerler a post golem grenade launcher/rogue weapon(i don't know if to put it as ranger or rogue).
gotten by: killing a chaotic puffer (8%) or can be crafted with: 20 chaotic bars, 5 grenades, 10 chaotic cores, and an archer fish.
what it does?: spawn a small white bright dot that can light up the abyss, when an enemy touch it, it will explode.
the bright dot will grow over time in size and power until it explode (take 20 seconds to explode).
in the first 5 seconds the dot grows in size and power (damage), after 10 seconds the dot will explode at a larger radius, after the 12th second it shall inflict brimstone flame and abyssal flames, and in second number 17 the explosion stays for 4 seconds and after the 20th second the dot will explode.
unique vector
@gaunt gazelle the reason why its 2% is because the soft cap for crits was removed
it wont be buffed again
and iirc menacing is also 2% for the same reason
gaunt gazelle
wah
loud steeple
its a interesting concept
bitter drift
you got to be joking
gaunt gazelle
menacing got nerfed?
frail mantle
menacing isn't 2% tho
unique vector
is it not? oh well
loud steeple
might be a ass to code but its a cool idea
unique vector
point is that bc theres no softcap and you can infinitely stack crit boosts now
gaunt gazelle
also so what if the soft cap for crits is removed
ashen warren
Lucky is worse than menacing at 4%
unique vector
lucky is not going to be buffed
ashen warren
Its dumb that its nerfed
unique vector
unless fab changes his mind for some reason
gaunt gazelle
you can infinitely stack damage boosts tho?
ashen warren
a 100% lucky boost will always be worse than a 100% menacing boost, because crits double damage AFTER defense
gaunt gazelle
so whats the difference
bitter drift
remind me again why did we start to talk about the crit suggestion again right when i ask for criticism
gaunt gazelle
2% is too low to be useful at all
bitter drift
you don't use lucky
gaunt gazelle
CRITicism
ashen warren
4% is too lol lel
unique vector
there was a cap on both. crits were too strong considering especially late game you can easily gain high stacks of crit boosts, so in compensation lucky was nerfed
night cradle
^
ashen warren
But crit boosts are inferior to flat damage always?
unique vector
and as a counter argument wouldnt that mean something like wild or should be buffed since its such a low % and not useful compared to menacing?
makes little sense to me
gaunt gazelle
wild is a weaker dmg buff isnt it?
unique vector
so consider lucky the same thing
unique vector
you can easily get crit boosts by other means
gaunt gazelle
not in early game
unique vector
well early game it doesnt really matter too much
unique vector
same goes for menacing
gaunt gazelle
so why not make lucky the same as menacing?
ashen warren
Crit should be buffed not nerfed
unique vector
you dont need to have the best reforges early game lol
you can keep the suggestion there
just warning you that fab may not change his mind
gaunt gazelle
bruh
queen delta
Lol
small talon
joke suggestions...
unique vector
@tiny otter can you please word your suggestion in a more constructive and mature tone?
bitter drift
when we start talking about my suggestion please @ me
civic pond
wtf
unique vector
and yes provide reasons aside from “this boss is too hard”
tiny otter
THE SALT IS REAL
gaunt gazelle
when i read that suggestion i think of tourettes guy
tiny otter
but really this guy is fully eroding my soul rn
echo horizon
i watched that movie yesterday
unique vector
being annoyed at a boss doesnt mean it should be nerfed
night cradle
^
tiny otter
this isnt annoying dude its beyond that lol
gaunt gazelle
just get good lmao
tiny otter
its full erosion
echo horizon
dog is hard as balls and you can be triggered but he doesnt need a nerf lmao
frail mantle
explain why she should be nerfed
tiny otter
im working so hard for a bloom stone
quiet abyss
If you're going to suggest to nerf the boss jsut because you find it too hard/annoying you won't be able convince us
You need to give us valid reasons
tiny otter
i killed him like 20 times
and lost like 30 fights or smth
its a 10 PERCENT CHANCE
NOT 1
night cradle
...it's just your luck
unique vector
thats based on player skill
echo horizon
then make your suggestion for increasing the chance or smth
frail mantle
yea but you should explain why she should be nerfed
unique vector
boss nerfs are based on stats
quiet abyss
Asking to nerf the boss because of a drop rate is not a valid reason
unique vector
i.e. takes too little damage, deals too much damage, impossible/unfair or annoying mechanics
echo horizon
/\
quiet abyss
^
unique vector
not because “i lost to boss x times”
tiny otter
ok i have an idea
small talon
example, its health is too high, this attack does too much damage
unique vector
go ahead
tiny otter
make it so that plaguebringer has a warning
unique vector
reword the current one
unique vector
instead of making a new one
firstly, stop fragmenting
secondly, theres zero reason for that
its literally queen bee’s dash but faster
bitter topaz
the charge is telegraphed though
night cradle
^
queen delta
Suggestion: dont make suggestions when you’re all salty
unique vector
just be faster at telegraphing her dashes
frail mantle
she stops in midair when she's about to charge
unique vector
its almost the exact same as qb
queen delta
Cool down first, then if you still wanna make it at that point, do it
unique vector
@tiny otter please read what we said above
queen delta
Besides the occassional immediate dash sometimes, hes predictable
unique vector
his movement changes entirely when he starts to dash
and its usually in sets of 2-3
unique vector
its not immediate
tiny otter
200 dmg
unique vector
its faster than queen bee definitely
queen delta
Rarely, he’ll sometimes shoot, then at the very next millisecond, he charges from above
queen delta
Its very rare, but usually preventable
unique vector
you can easily just expect “possible dash at end of this attack”
gaunt gazelle
shield of cthulu dash into her
unique vector
90% of the time its telegraphed
tiny otter
i give up with this boss i cant get a bloom stone no matter what
gaunt gazelle
no?
gaunt gazelle
drop chances are just artificial difficulty
tiny otter
dude lemme just tell you smth
i already got a malachite from plaguebringer
which is 1 percent chance
and i cant get a bloom stone
which is 10 percent
gaunt gazelle
trash the malachite and spawn in 10 bloom stones 
lost agate
Rng is like that
tiny otter
RNG GODS
lost agate
Its not the boss fault
tiny otter
WHAT HAVE I DONE TO DESERVE THIS
lost agate
I do agree some of pbg dashes are ass but you need some better reasoning to it
Theres these, what i call "low hp dash combos"
gaunt gazelle
just shield dash into her for those sweet invincibiltiy frames
lost agate
Where she does all 3 dashes in a few seconds cuz rng decided that all 3 dashes would be done instantly
Bonking pbg is no easy task
Shes massive and not as fast as duke
bitter drift
can we now talk about my suggestion and get help with it?
this is 
to be shutted up
lost agate
If anything i would just ask for the low hp dashes to be slowed down a little or be done from further away cuz theyre seriously just stressing
tiny otter
yeah
lost agate
Its not salt of any sort its just what i sincerely feel the boss is having issues with
lost agate
Or at least make every dash have at least a second of delay to prevent these combos
bitter drift
FOR GOD'S SAKE
gaunt gazelle
just dont get hit
lost agate
@bitter drift idk just post it, chill down geez
lost agate
Post golem
gaunt gazelle
and her dashes are horizontal only?
queen delta
Horizontal and diagonal dashes
But sometimes because yes, he dashes vertically which i doubt is intended
lost agate
QB AI is funky af
tiny otter
welp nvm guys
gaunt gazelle
probably just dashes on the axis thats closest to the player
bitter drift
blind angerler a post golem grenade launcher.
gotten by: killing a chaotic puffer (8%) or can be crafted with: 20 chaotic bars, 5 grenades, 10 chaotic cores, and an archer fish.
what it does?: shoot a small white bright dot that can light up the abyss, when an enemy touch it, it will explode.
the bright dot will grow over time in size and power until it explode (take 20 seconds to explode).
in the first 5 seconds the dot grows in size and power (damage), after 10 seconds the dot will explode at a larger radius, after the 12th second it shall inflict brimstone flame and abyssal flames, and in second number 17 the explosion stays for 4 seconds and after the 20th second the dot will explode.
here a 3th time i post it for help and probably a 4th time that this will get neglected
zenith hazel
why though
lost agate
I just told you to post it
lost agate
Grenade launchers are often ranged weapons
bitter drift
ya but idk if this should be ranger grenade launcher or an explosive rogue weapon
queen delta
Ranger = shoot, rogue = throw
bitter drift
this is also why i used the term SPAWN
rustic ember
Should be ranged
bitter drift
is ranger or rogue harder at this point?
and why should it be ranger space
civic pond
Rogue weapons tend to be better in most areas
bitter drift
really? it never accord to me because you know ranger is OP
bitter drift
ok
zenith hazel
ranger definitely outclasses rogue in mechs
queen delta
isnt in calamity due to stormbow nerf
zenith hazel
other than that, rogue outshines ranger most of the time
bitter drift
ok then i put it in ranger
jagged halo
Daedalus is still op in calamity wdym lol
queen delta
Its still good yes, but not as op as it was in vanilla
Like, it was even viable for ML which was lole
jagged halo
Agreed but it’s good for like 70% of pre ML still
bitter drift
also should it be craft able or gotten by the chaotic puffer? and do you think it will be balanced?
jagged halo
As a pre boss HM weapon
bitter drift
should it be craft able or gotten by the chaotic puffer? and do you think it will be balanced?
ashen warren
@zinc thunder how the hell would that work
zinc thunder
i dont know, some how king slime spawns in after killing exactly 100 slimes
im not an expert at coding
radiant meadow
that seems kind of dumb though
hollow idol
can the game even detect that
radiant meadow
like say you're fighting doggo and then need a break
and then you start a new world with a new character
hollow idol
id think it would be bound to a character
zinc thunder
yea
hollow idol
but still its an ech idea
zinc thunder
idk i really just wanna write some quotes for his respawning
"Oh, did you leave because you were bored?"
ashen warren
at least you have a reason
zinc thunder
"Having fun, are we?"
radiant meadow
it still sounds like a pretty terrible idea
hollow idol
sounds like something masomode would do if it did calamity
zinc thunder
i just thought someone who ate gods would be able to teleport between times like sans or something
hollow idol
if hes that egotistical he would spawn at the beginning of every single playthrough to stop you before you get strong
radiant meadow
it still needs to be balanced
zinc thunder
the eye of cthulu waited for you
radiant meadow
Calamity wouldn't add a weird, hindering mechanic like that
zinc thunder
it would definitely be the first time ever to be done
hollow idol
hed probably just be like “Quitter, im not gonna follow them because it will waste my time”
zinc thunder
tbh he seems like that kind of guy
hollow idol
therefore id assume he wouldnt waste energy teleporting to another world
zinc thunder
who else would he be fighting in this world
and also wasn't he made specifically to kill, or was that the destroyer (according to the lore?)
hollow idol
destroyer
if anything dog would just insta kill you without spawning and say something in chat if you went to another world
jagged jolt
zinc thunder
because i came up with the idea i of course well be defending it, but i understand it can't be done
without perfection
imagine having to test doggos warping abilities
and he just gloats at you while struggling to perfect it
that would suck
hollow idol
if things were lore accurate, dog would gib provi if both were alive at once
zinc thunder
that could also be a neat little easter egg, but no drops from either.
i just dont know how that would work with the way aggro works in terraria
in minecraft its do able, but only because some mobs fight others
hollow idol
provi would just instantly die if dog is alive and a message would appear in chat
ashen warren
question: is star "I like it" , and exclamation point "I don't like it?"
opaque grail
frail mantle
star is "i like it", exclamation point is "this suggestion hasn't been reviewed by a mod yet/has some issues"
ashen warren
kk
queen sail
Some people tend to use exclamation point as “I don’t like it” though
frail mantle
yea
hollow saffron
(!)
ashen warren
i use it for absurd or memey suggestions
hollow idol
same ras
ashen warren
@hollow idol hi
hollow idol
damn you
fickle spruce
@hollow idol hi
hollow idol
cease
ivory heart
Abyss Slimes that sink in water.
hollow idol
rip chaos slime
fickle spruce
slimes can swim
ivory heart
In water, slimes float
On the terrain of the abyss with many sunken islands abyss slimes wouldn’t have a problem sinking in water
sacred thorn
Rip my suggestion is so close
ivory heart
Have a slime go into a lake, it floats
My abyss slime would sink
sacred thorn
But wait then how will it be a threat if it just falls down?
ivory heart
Oh
hollow idol
projectiles
ivory heart
Don’t forget there are many sunken islands in the abyss
And the slimes would be quite large
They deal contact damage
A lot of it
hollow idol
irradiated slimes spawn above the abyss 🤔
ivory heart
And Abyss slimes spawn below
Except abyss slimes spawn in pre hardmode and are in the lower layers
I’d say layer 3
ashen warren
??
ashen warren
i mean, making slimes that function underwater couldn't be too difficult, but they just don't make sense
sacred thorn
Hey YuH if fab doesnt implement my suggestion to the mod, you think Hypera would to his/her mod?
hollow idol
uh it has to be vanity
ashen warren
what was the suggestion?
frail mantle
what sort of suggestion was it
sacred thorn
Astral saddle
ashen warren
ech its astrageldon
frail mantle
Vanities already has an Astrageldon pet
hollow idol
Eh dw i got the astrageldon memorial in calamity thing covered already
sacred thorn
Oh ok😄
gloomy hazel
I want to admit that the BoC is...way too easy. It's so easy to cheese this boss thanks to the creeps.
And in Expert mode, the fight is made harder not with an added attack...but a visual effect...and that's it. Oh, and random debuffs as well.
void kelp
the additional creeps honestly don’t add much to the battle, I gotta agree w that
- the random debuffs aren’t so much challenging as they are uncontrollable and at times, nearly debilitating
hollow saffron
^
ivory heart
A few hours ago I made an Abyss Slime suggestion
It would sink, yet do so slowly
It also would be quite large and attack in contact damage
I imagine it also could be covered in plating that would be destroyed once the slime’s hp is lowered to 50%, and it would then start to float
If an abyss slime reaches the surface it would start jumping around rapidly, and will always target water if a player cannot be found
radiant meadow
why though
frail mantle
why should it be added
ivory heart
Slimes are iconic enemies and it doesn’t really make sense there aren’t ones that adapt to water
hollow idol
abyss has enough enemies tbh
frail mantle
yea
hollow idol
id say focus on the hallow if you want to make a new enemy
hollow saffron
what rifter said
frail mantle
right now, it seems like your reasoning is "add more slimes lole"
hollow saffron
why not add more postml enemies to the desert/snow/corruption/crimson
hollow idol
this ^
ivory heart
In all seriousness though slimes are some of the most identifiable enemies in Terraria
The first enemy you encountered was likely a slime
ivory heart
Cool
hollow saffron
pusscrawler
frail mantle
how about "Pustulent Spitter"
hollow idol
it doesnt really spit, it just explodes into projectiles when its close enough
ivory heart
Aureus Spawn
frail mantle
Walking Boil, maybe
hollow idol
frail mantle
the Aureus Spawns are enemies tho
hollow saffron
!wiki aureus spawn
red stormBOT
frail mantle
they have health
hollow saffron
oh nvm
thought you meant the astrum deus mines
my bad
also @frail mantle NPCs have health
hollow saffron
I mean friendly NPCs
frail mantle
well town npcs don't damage you
ivory heart
Pestilent Drone
Attempts to line up with the player’s X coordinate, then charges vertically. If there is a player within a certain radius, yet it cannot find the player in its line of sight, it will fire homing plague pellets.
The Pestilent Drone has low contact and projectile damage, but makes up for it by inflicting the Plague debuff via both contact and via plague pellets.
hollow saffron
@frail mantle drunk princess on a blood moon
frail mantle
ye but she's an exception
ivory heart
Also as promised my new suggestion isn’t slime
hollow saffron
lol
radiant meadow
but why should it be added
hollow idol
alternatively the pus crawler or whatever its called could shoot a cluster of projectiles with gravity in one direction as opposed to the corruption one which doesnt aim but does multiple directions
hollow idol
the projectiles fall to the ground smh
hollow saffron
affected by gravity you mean
radiant meadow
@ivory heart can you add a reason to your suggestion? why should it be added
dusty stirrup
It's draedon time
hollow saffron
@dusty stirrup wdym?
fickle spruce
drones
dusty stirrup
Do you not know who draedon is
hollow saffron
@dusty stirrup I know, but what do you mean by "dreadon time"
ashen warren
I think phup is implying that with draedon being planned, the future of calamity will most definitely have more robotic enemies
hollow saffron
ah
dusty stirrup
Yes
hollow saffron
ok
delicate raft
well uh
New boss suggestions aren't accepted, I guess turning a miniboss into a boss isn't either
zenith hazel
bullet hell 🤔
delicate raft
And the status message shown when killing DS kinda tells you there is something under the underground desert
radiant meadow
it doesn't really need to be a boss
and there are two status messages to indicate that you should turn to the sunken sea
once after desert scourge and once after killing wof
queen sail
Well sunken sea has some stuff you’ll need later on as well as some cool shit on its own
radiant meadow
and yes, boss suggestions aren't accepted @jolly latch
queen sail
I.e Prismalline and the most broken harpoon on the planet
unique vector
ill delete the suggestion
jolly latch
Sorry I didn't know no boss suggestions won't do it next time
foggy kindle
Always
full bramble
I thought leviathan already had a set distance where he'll charge
signal prairie
nope
queen delta
He does ye
signal prairie
Its completely luck, I've tested this
queen delta
Are you sure?
signal prairie
100%
queen delta
Cuz ive nohit him several times and i can notice a set distance
If im above him, and i dash above him, he moves back to adjust
full bramble
especially on his last "phase" she'll definitely have a set distance
signal prairie
I've had Levi be a few blocks away, I've had her be on top of me. Hell, i've had her charge from offscreen
queen delta
He charges based on your Y axis, not X axis
But he wont just ram you without charging first
radiant meadow
the set distance is really small though
signal prairie
its a she btw
radiant meadow
it should be bigger imo
full bramble
wasn't her hitbox changed for that reason?
queen delta
Agreed tho
signal prairie
^
queen delta
If you change the suggestion based on what termi said, ill star it
signal prairie
I'll do more testing with the charge
radiant meadow
her hitbox was fixed but that doesn't stop her from giving a hug
full bramble
I mean the main reason I got hugged was because of her invisible chin
the only boss that I find pesky with charges is plaguebringer
signal prairie
adjusted the suggestion with what term said
full bramble
her wings fuck me
queen delta
also edit your description
signal prairie
already did that
lost agate
Pbg also got a fixed hitbox
teal ibex
i mean, just gonna put out there that as much as the charge does have quite the small distance requirement, that doesnt make it unfair