Doesn't sound too insane in terms of damage boosting.
#suggestions-discussion
fast dew
Sniper scope op
Zoom is surprisingly useful during dog fight
Oh crap I’m forgetting about potions
Yeah wrath and rage insanely boost dps
smoky wagon
If seadragon is nerfed then ranger seriously needs an actual gun for DoG
Otherwise leave the thing alone
young fog
whats wrong with that?
radiant meadow
daemon's flame works fine for doggo
fast dew
I usually fight polterghast after doggo coz I find him harder
smoky wagon
is it too strong for polter
fast dew
Dog isn’t that bad if you can learn his patterns and dodge his attacks the main problem is damage or you just get stuck in his laser wall phase for a thousand years
distant gyro
wasn't seadragon like nerfed a few times
lost agate
Yeah
lost agate
On polter?
lost agate
Is it doggo tho
radiant meadow
on polter
ashen warren
Mine last a lifetime and a heartattack irl
teal ibex
if your fight lasts 10 minutes why does it need to be nerfed idgi
smoky wagon
😔
fast dew
I thought 10 mins was short
fast dew
Some people’s dog vids go for like 15 mins
ashen warren
lmfao true
smoky wagon
yeah maybe if they use last prism or some shit
full bramble
10 minute DoG is average for me, if we're talking the entire fight
teal ibex
this sounds a lot less like a substantiated proposition and more like a sudden assumption
seadragon is fine
fast dew
Also I prioritise defence over damage output so less dps = longer fight
radiant meadow
Boss: Rev Polterghast (No Adren/Rage used)
Accessories: Elysian Aegis, Absorber, Sniper Scope, Deific Amulet, Flesh Totem, Tarragon Wings, Angel Treads
Armor: Tarragon
Potions: Holy Wrath, Profaned Rage, Well Fed, Stims
Is everything reforged? Unreal, All Warding
Was ichor or any similar debuff used? Everglade Spray
Test number 1: Seadragon - Holy Fire Bullets
Time: Reached P3 in 0:53, 3:20 kill time
Test number 2: Storm Dragoon - Holy Fire Bullets
Time: Reached P3 in 0:54, 3:04 kill time
Test number 3: Claret Cannon - Acid Rounds
Time: Reached P3 in 0:56, 4:46 kill time
Conclusion: Claret Cannon bad for P3, everything is over 3 mins, the weapons fine
oh and storm dragoon was faster
teal ibex
dog should be ~8m iirc
fast dew
Who tf using angel treads post providence
lost agate
Around 6m rather
teal ibex
so 10m with defensive build isn't a problem at all
radiant meadow
I do 
smoky wagon
angel treads lets you use tarragon wings or what not
radiant meadow
tracers garbo
fast dew
Phase 2 lasts forever for me coz I keep getting stuck in laser wall phases and deal abysmal damage in between
full bramble
I spend like 2m on p1, 2m sentinels, and 4-5m p2
I sometimes get hit by the most random laser in p1 so rip adrenaline
radiant meadow
if you do abysmal damage with an undertiered weapon, then it doesn't need a nerf
lost agate
Oh and also riperless
fast dew
I never said seadragon needs a nerf I just said holy fire bullets
lost agate
They dont
smoky wagon
but it would seem they dont
radiant meadow
holy fire bullets don't need a nerf either
full bramble
holy fire is fine for me
radiant meadow
they should be the strongest bullet
fast dew
They deal like 40 damage, have massive aoe and inflict holy fire debuff
lost agate
If they get nerf then hyperius and maybe acid rounds would end up being stronger
full bramble
radiant meadow
all pml guns are balanced using those
lost agate
massive aoe
Wut
teal ibex
if anything there should be a new alternative
fast dew
The explosion
lost agate
Aint the explosion like really small?
radiant meadow
it uses the solar eruption explosion
full bramble
I like using luminite if I wanna pierce
radiant meadow
it's pretty small
massive aoe is like scorpio or forbidden sun sized
holy fire bullet is far from it
lost agate
Or chicken cannon
fast dew
Anyway can we all agree that heavenly gale upgrade is garbage
radiant meadow
no
fast dew
Drataliornus or something
radiant meadow
drataliornus is pretty good smh
placid moth
Just dont get hit
errant grove
i mean
full bramble
drataliornus is good but I don't find it rewarding
errant grove
its not bad its not good
lost agate
It reaches far better dps if you use it well
fast dew
That’s the problem
full bramble
heavenly gale beats it in damage so many times
fast dew
I can’t dodge for shit
lost agate
Well thats on you
queen delta
After lots of messing around with most ranger weapons for scal, i found gale to be better than drat for scal in general
I thought photoviscerator would melt the hearts since its a... flamethrower
But even gale did better than that
queen delta
I could use rage to melt them but it’d be better to use gale without rage
radiant meadow
moreover, the topic has been lead astray after determining nothing needed a nerf, best move to #calamity-mod-talk
queen delta
Aight
cyan abyss
ok thx
radiant meadow
it is
cyan abyss
wait, it is already fixed? or will come up in the next update?
cyan abyss
ah ok thx 😃
ivory heart
More music creators for Calamity
civic pond
queen delta
... Can you elaborate?
echo horizon
not good suggestion
gloomy hazel
Uuuh...are you sure, chucken?
bitter topaz
@willow elm and the reasoning for this is?
tired haven
I legit wanna know it 
civic pond
willow elm
So, people who play on normal mode don't get to have the full experience. So, maybe doing that could actually make them play on expert mode.
willow elm
Huh.
civic pond
Huh.
willow elm
Its a mod, Not the actual game.
civic pond
My first run was normal
unique vector
theres zero reason to force people to not play on normal mode
bitter topaz
no
just no
forcing people into playing outside their comfort zone is bad design
willow elm
Alrighty then.
echo horizon
yes
echo horizon
oh yes
willow elm
I think I'd have to pay for that
echo horizon
no
tired haven
willow elm
And instead of being payed, I'd have to pay them
echo horizon
you get 10000000000 dollars a second
willow elm
Yep.
willow elm
Hmm.
queen delta
Normal mode players already miss out on some items
No need to take an entire boss out
Especially scal
fierce loom
Isnt Expert designed around being Expert and Normal designed around being normal? It's quite literally 2 seperate final bosses in a way
civic pond
w
Expert just happens to give more rewards for the extra challenge
its not 2 seperate final bosses
smoky wagon
no calamity bosses get extra phases in expert if i remember correctly
fierce loom
I mean, I wouldnt say "it gives more rewards for the extra challenge" but more "extra loot to balance the extra difficulty"
Expert is essentially balanced around its own gear pool
While Normal isnt as serious and is balanced around the Normal gear pool
fierce loom
A sa small example, Shield of Cthulu would pretty much trivialize Normal 
smoky wagon
i doubt it
fierce loom
Nothing in Normal moves fast enough to even bother using the dash, and with a dash that early it just removes all difficulty, on top of the bonus armor
And even then, you have the extra trinket slots in Expert, which is evne more proof that bosses are balanced around 6 trinket slots in Expert than the normal 5 in Normal
If you play Expert without that slot you're willingly gimping yourself, while on Normal the game is still the same difficulty all through
fierce loom
copper shortsword is the best
willow elm
yeah
smoky wagon
but this is the idea of excluding an entire boss
queen delta
Ech meme suggestion
civic pond
willow elm
yeah wtf
queen delta
Looking forward to your absence
civic pond
smh
bitter topaz
@willow elm no.
willow elm
civic pond
bitter topaz
have a warn for that meme suggestion ig
queen delta
Keep going... its only a matter of time
civic pond
i'll never understand
queen delta
Agreed tbh
bitter topaz
i agree
willow elm
queen delta
He seems on board with it
civic pond
foggy kindle
RIP
tired haven
"Side effects may be unbearable will to spam on server with disability to do so"
queen delta
Btw, i ask, are you a dumdum? if he doesnt reply within 30 seconds, thats a yes
dusty stirrup
He can't answer you
queen delta
i know
dusty stirrup
o
echo horizon
big dumdum
fickle spruce
anyway isn't that luxor's gift suggestion gonna be implemented already
fickle spruce
ye
mental path
Luxor's gift hasn't been mentioned in #changelogs tho
mental path
where else are they mentioned?
I don't really talk much in this server so I don't get much news
gloomy hazel
the sprite is done by me btw
gloomy hazel
Thanks, and somehow I was expecting the same exact sentence
frail mantle
how would you obtain it though
gloomy hazel
Oh, I forgot to add how. I would have thought as a drop from Astrum Deus
keen bobcat
Would the Mech mount have a larger hitbox than usual, or would it just be the same hitbox?
ivory heart
Blood Toxin
Debuff caused exclusively by the Plagebringer Goliath. Slow life and mana loss, decreased damage, and slower melee and pick speed.
“Your blood has been infected”
gloomy hazel
it's up to decide in fact
frail mantle
plague enemies already inflict a debuff tho
keen bobcat
I'd say that a larger hitbox would be warranted for the melee buffs that you get, although that might make the item unusable in higher difficulties where getting hit is a big no-no.
ivory heart
It adds up quickly is you have both at the same time.
frail mantle
yes but why make Plague enemies inflict another debuff when they already inflict a debuff
keen bobcat
To suffer?
ivory heart
Ok
keen bobcat
I dunno, I didn't propose it.
ivory heart
Glass Shards (Consumable rogue weapon)
Made from 1 Glass (Creates 50) at an anvil.
Penetrates into enemies, dealing damage, much like the Bone Javelin.
Shatters into three more mini-Shards upon impact, which also penetrate
keen bobcat
It can't deal very much damage, I'd imagine. Are we talking 7-11 damage per shard?
Keep in mind how early you can get glass.
ivory heart
Maybe 4-5 damage based on my new additions
And they may be viable as a weapon considering how they apply penetration and shatter both on hit
keen bobcat
Hmm, good thinking.
Hey, has fabsol already entirely converted the vanilla throwing armors (i.e. ninja) into rogue armors? I started my rogue play-through in the previous update, so I don't know.
frail mantle
he hasn't, and he's not gonna
frail mantle
rogue is meant to be a separate class
also he hates throwing code, and throwing is getting oofed in Journey's End
keen bobcat
Ah, I see. Well, it's not really a big deal, I was just curious. Thanks for the intel!
ruby cobalt
a couple were converted though
namely obsidian and gladiator
because they did nothing in vanilla
opaque grail
How come most suggestions recently have just been re-suggests instead of now ideas?
Like if they failed last time, what are the odds it gets 80 more stars than it did the first attempt
frail mantle
¯_(ツ)_/¯
i mean, i can understand it if they actually change it a bit to make it better
gloomy hazel
I fight to have at least one mech mount get the 90 stars, I fight to have at least one with the green check
I've made something around 5 suggestions of different mech mounts, none got the 90 stars
frail mantle
i've found that there are three things that get your suggestion a lot of stars
relatively simple yet still descriptive explanations, a good and/or relatable reasoning, and something to grab people's attention
your suggestion clearly being well thought-out helps a lot too, of course
gloomy hazel
But what are the flaws in my suggestions, if there are flaws?
frail mantle
i can't really find any with this one, really
frail mantle
i think so yea
gloomy hazel
oh well...
btw, this is the original sprite
https://gamepedia.cursecdn.com/intothebreach_gamepedia_en/2/2d/Squad-rift-walkers.png?version=a48dcf1f6347b459dcc5c66ee28ab7b6
sinful violet
Feasibility and reasonability are the two main factors as well.
To be bluntly honest, there's not much of a chance for this.
The mount isn't astral themed, if it's a deus drop, and it fits with very little else ingame.
gloomy hazel
Plague Bringer Goliath then?
sinful violet
it's not plague themed either
i won't beat around the bush, if this is a reference for reference sakes, i'd scrap it and put actual attention to the reason you put in the suggestion.
sinful violet
(well is it a reference for reference's sake?)
gloomy hazel
I've already made around 5 suggestions for mechs, and the mechs I've suggested were all different
the one you see is the second one to be for reference's sake
unique vector
@potent rover please provide concrete evidence as to why your suggestion should be considered
instead of just going "this boss is hard for me please nerf/easy for me please buff"
if you provide examples of wonky/annoying mechanics, dps numbers, etc
it would help
potent rover
alright
i'll put together a list.
the hive mind kinda just sits, and is therfore very easy to h and work down to the second phase without losing healt. same with the perf hive , which does not take much skill to hit, and drops a treasure bag once it has been killed, lkeaving the worms to be easily destroyed
unique vector
i disagree with the perforator one
desert scourge's mini scourges can be easily killed after the main one is dead
its the exact same thing
the worms for perf are there to pose a threat, not to be mandatory to kill besides the 3rd one
potent rover
in comparison, the eater's head reflection mechanic causes it to split into many small segments, each shooting cursed fireballs, which can kill the player in four hits. the brain quickly spawns creepers, which again overwhelm theplayer and make it hard to deal damage and win the fight.
unique vector
the hive mind is meant to sit as its supposed to be easy... thats why there are two phases
you dont judge a boss's difficulty from one phase, especially when its technically a minor one
potent rover
however, compared to the difficulty of the two bosses previous
unique vector
any pierce weapon freaking murders the EoW
potent rover
they are relatively easy
young fog
tbh i find perfs really hard
teal ibex
youre required to kill the largest perforator on that fight anyway
potent rover
i'm in deathmode
unique vector
BoC was already nerfed anyway
teal ibex
so you cant just ignore them all and outdps
potent rover
this is deathmode exclusive
unique vector
yes
unique vector
and im telling you that its not the case
for most people
again, i have zero clue how you have issues with EoW
pierce weapons burn through it like butter
unique vector
BoC is just a fucky boss in general
potent rover
ill tell you how i have issues
unique vector
by not using pierce weapons?
potent rover
playing as ranger
unique vector
theres also a thing called
potent rover
with pierce weapons
unique vector
not randomly shooting at the boss to make it split into a million parts
unique vector
and shooting at the head to kill it off one at a time
teal ibex
certain classes struggle at certain points and vs certain bosses
potent rover
thats the problem!
teal ibex
eow slightly counters ranged but hive mind doesnt
unique vector
and not the boss
potent rover
the heads take no damage from any projectiles!
so it's impossible to not split the boss
even piercing ones
unique vector
so dont split it into a million different ones
unique vector
split it into like two or three
unique vector
well thats on you
potent rover
and then they split
unique vector
and not the boss
potent rover
i just beat it anyway
unique vector
in reality its the class if you want to go that far
potent rover
these are my post fight observations
unique vector
mage has zero issue with EoW
unique vector
nor does it have with BoC if you play your cards right
smoky wagon
EoW and BoC are way easier
potent rover
i'm doing ranger as a wrap up to the mod
unique vector
so why are you asking for boss changes if you clearly know its a class issue?
potent rover
ik
smoky wagon
excuse me
unique vector
you're contradicting yourself
unique vector
so why did you suggest boss changes
potent rover
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unique vector
so you decided your best method was to change bosses for EVERYONE else
potent rover
ok
unique vector
you dont suggest something to make your playthrough easier
unique vector
i hope you make a more objective suggestion
potent rover
because others had the same problems
i had assumed it was just me up until that point
unique vector
im pretty sure that's not too much of an issue considering mage has a completely opposite effect
unique vector
let me guess, they were all ranger?
potent rover
in this case, yes.
unique vector
so again
why suggest a boss change that affects every class instead of a change to the ranger class for that segment of the game
when its only a ranger class issue
potent rover
you have a point
unique vector
and not an issue with the bosses
im glad you realize that
when i said this before as well
unique vector
go test out a few weapons, see their dps compared to other class weapons
see if any need buffs
potent rover
i do have an idea
unique vector
or if the class needs a new weapon
potent rover
can i bounce it off you?
unique vector
and in the future please don't fragment messages
sure i guess, just post it in this channel first
potent rover
alright
this sort of falls into both categories though, as a class change and a boss change.
give the head not a perfect reflection as it currently has, but instead make ranged projectiles deal 50% of their initial damage to it, and be reflected, instead of the head taking no damage and just the projectile dissapearing into open air.
this way head shots are not wasted, and the mechanic is not deleted
potent rover
alright
i will adjust any future suggestions i have to fit criteria around these
thanks for at least considering the idea
opaque grail
tbh I find EoW way easier than Hive Mind
opaque grail
On magic and sorcerer EoW is a joke
melee everything is super tough, hard to balance for that
havent played ranged yet
civic pond
i think that bow amidias sells did pretty good against EOW when aimed right
Shellshooter?
smoky wagon
yeah that
civic pond
i dont blame you 
civic pond
coral cannon 
smoky wagon
waywasher 
civic pond
bootleg waterbolt iirc
proven tide
selfstar be like
fickle spruce
i disagree
queen delta
like pins said, dont worry about self stars
queen sail
How are the sentinels in the dog fight a spoiler
proven tide
if it's struckthrough the satirical nature shields me from criticism
fickle spruce
they aren't really a spoiler
proven tide
it's not the sentinels in the dog fight, it's the removing of them upon first dog defeat
stone sable
^
proven tide
in #changelogs ? yes
stone sable
Would you rather I remove the spoiler tag?
queen sail
I don’t even know why it’s there in the first place
fervent zealot
sentinels being removed after first kill seems like a really good change
them being there in the fight is fine tho
stone sable
But they are already dead, and they act the same as their initial fights
fervent zealot
what if, they don't die and go into hiding when you "kill" them
queen sail
Also yes it’s semiconfirmed that prov dies somewhat
Her death releases her energy to spawn uelibloom
Then again mrrp bs so
civic pond
eh
queen sail
spiral olive
@ morp vro why does provi create uelibloom bro
spiral olive
civic pond
eBic
fervent zealot
so why don't any other rare plants grow huh
civic pond
i sold my uelibloom to the dye trader
ashen warren
gnameplayer elemental
stone sable
Neither bosses are included in other bosses
proven tide
might as well remove the guardians from the provi fight while we're at it
ashen warren
I knew
spiral olive
o
fickle spruce
well i thought dat obvious provi's energy scatters around and boom u got an ore that bloomed
placid moth
So, Fragile Greed ?
ashen warren
hmm
perhaps a item/potion like that should also have a negative affect to balance out its usefulness
spark flax
reforge into unbreakable greed for best results
tepid root
just use ceaseless hunger
bitter drift
this new suggestion is kinda dope
tepid root
i like that suggestion, i usually have problems when farming stuff in the ocean because ??? spawns and i accidently kill it
bitter drift
hmmm what do you think of this suggestion for help with phantome and ecto plasems and poltergeist.
restlessness (i would have taken revenge if not for the revengens difficulty)
make every PHM enemy in the dungeon to drop 2-5 ecto blood and summon a dungeon spirit when die.
dungeon spirits drop 1-4 ectoplasm (1 is 100% 2 is 75% 3 is 50% and 4 is 25)
both changes are both planterra
make post planterra enemies of the dungeon summon 1-2 phantoms when killed (1 is 90% 2 is 10%)
phantoms drop 2-4 phantom plasem
(2 is 60% 3 is 35% and 4 is 5%)
these 2 changes are post moon lord
frail mantle
how would you obtain the item
bitter drift
idk yet i was mai ly thinking of the down side that I'm still very hesitant to put yet
i think of it like the defile rune and revenges item type that is activate and deactivate
maybe a post planterra Item like these bars at an alter?
anyway I'll be gone now just wanted to sure these thots
tired haven
All of the pre-hardmode items actually can be farmed in Hardmode (except vanilla Cascade but like why)
Mana Jelly specifically drops from Mirage Jellyfish for example
However, raising the chances to meet actual enemies sounds neat
full bramble
shadowspec bars are reserved for developers
ashen warren
death mode exclusives also won’t be accepted
frail mantle
also you haven't really stated why you want it in the game
distant gyro
@regal jetty death exclusive and shadowspec bars aren't allowed
full bramble
red sun is great too if you want a weapon a tier above
distant gyro
there's like a big number of endgame melee weapons already
full bramble
illustrious knives exist too
zenith hazel
7 shadowspec melee weapons already 
hearty yew
@radiant meadow can ya clean this up
regal jetty
radiant meadow
@earnest raptor Astral Blade doesn't really need a buff. I tested it against Moon Lord and it was fine. It had higher dps than the grand guardian.
As for omniblade, it has over twice the base damage. I doubt Omniblade is better even with Whispering Death other than maybe size.
Comet Quasher is a lot smaller than Astral Blade and the comets are pretty slow. I doubt it'll perform better against Moon Lord than Astral Blade.
Astral Blade is bigger and faster than Blade of emnity, but blade of emnity has a long lasting debuff and more base damage. I wouldn't be surprised if blade of emnity got higher dps, but blade of emnity might be in need of a nerf rather than an astral blade buff
earnest raptor
Interesting.
fickle spruce
if u want a coin ring that doesn't take up an accessory slot just add urself an extra accessory slot and put it there
bitter drift
hmmm what do you think of this suggestion for help with phantome and ecto plasems and poltergeist.
restlessness (i would have taken revenge if not for the revengens difficulty)
1.make every PHM enemy in the dungeon to drop 2-5 ecto blood and summon a dungeon spirit when die.
2.dungeon spirits drop 1-4 ectoplasm (1 is 100% 2 is 75% 3 is 50% and 4 is 25)
both changes are both planterra
3.make post planterra enemies of the dungeon summon 1-2 phantoms when killed (1 is 90% 2 is 10%)
4.phantoms drop 2-4 phantom plasem
(2 is 60% 3 is 35% and 4 is 5%)
5. poltergeist can't spawn under this Item's effect
these 3 changes are post moon lord
made by: 2 perennial bars and 1 living shard at a demon alter
(pls text is there is a need for a debuff)
radiant meadow
@echo horizon what's the point in adding those restrictions? it's not like it's going to stop people from bringing expert items to normal worlds
echo horizon
well to make it more fair
bitter drift
don't people always use revengens
echo horizon
not me
bitter drift
well then wot are you doing start use the item
anyway is there a problem with my suggestion?
radiant meadow
is it a weapon?
fickle spruce
ectoplasm and phantoplasm are already easy to farm
bitter drift
use a zerg potion and die to the 5 palidens throwing hammars at you when they just spawned
or how about get killed by an idalion and ninja skeleton that spawned as you got in
or the fun in dieing to a spawning poltergeist when farming phantomplasem
it's true it is not that hard to get lots of
but the endless dieing and the chance yo not get anything of a phantom is pissing me oof
radiant meadow
your mode isn't going to stop polter from spawning
it's just gonna make him spawn faster
bitter drift
then to add that
radiant meadow
and tbf, calamity already adds ectoblood to ease on ectoplasm farming
I don't think a mode dedicated to dungeon farming is really necessary
fickle spruce
ye
bitter drift
then is there phantom blood
radiant meadow
there's not really a need for phantom blood
bitter drift
or something to make phantomplasem framing easier and not getting you killed by more then 10 ways
radiant meadow
you only really need to grind for phantoplasm in large quantities post doggo
or post prov for bloodflare gear
by then, you're stronger than when phantoplasm is first obtainable
radiant meadow
you don't have to get phantom heart immediately, and the dungeon is supposed to be dangerous
bitter drift
both cost 100
radiant meadow
you don't really need polter summon since he spawns naturally anyways
bitter drift
not saying to weaken the dungeon just make it a bit more predictable with more spawns of what you need
radiant meadow
again, I don't think it's really necessary to add a mode item
and phantoplasm really isn't as hard to grind as you make it out to be
fickle spruce
^
bitter drift
that happens to me way to much these
not survivable scenarios
radiant meadow
phantom spirits drop 1-4 phantoplasm, roughly 2 on average
by the time you summon polterghast, you would have around 60 phantoplasm (killing 30 to summon polter)
that's over halfway to 100
smoky wagon
you also get more while farming polter itself
bitter drift
when i farm for it i get about 10 up to death by a 10 snipers (happened again)
some don't drop it
and at least 5 phantom are better then 7 idalions
but ok i see i won't post it
fickle spruce
maybe you need a better setup
smoky wagon
make a polter/void arena and use it for farming
having actual dodging room makes the dungeon enemies easier
bitter drift
they are spawning when I'm making the arena 
fickle spruce
zen potion
bitter drift
and that include poltet btw
fickle spruce
or tranquility candle
smoky wagon
Tranquility candle better
fickle spruce
so ye just use tranq candle when you're building
hollow shell
(Phantoplasm*)?
radiant meadow
yes
hollow shell
Why would Fusion Feeders drop gel?
radiant meadow
I think he wants fusion feeders to drop shark fins
hollow shell
Yeah, should be corrected
Also it's not recommended to have two different suggestions in the same message
(the message kinda seems to get a bit off-track with the "why" becoming the premise for the next suggestion)
queen sail
Looks alright, though they’ll probably do this when all the major kinks are out of the way.
clear basin
but whyd the reactions get jibbed
queen sail
Dunno
@echo horizon Okay, but like,
You can bring every Expert item into a normal world (even the 6th accessory slot as long as you don’t remove the accessory in said slot) without repercussions.
Also one item is already getting boosted only in rev mode.
That’s Affliction.
hollow shell
the first message is still wrong :<
queen sail
It’s arguably more unfair to play Calamity with other content mods than Revengeance-only items to be functional in easier modes.
cyan lagoon
@mossy light put it in a doc
mossy light
thx
unkempt patio
yeah theres uh
nothing in that document
cyan lagoon
simple edit to the post or .txt file title in question
mossy light
k
bitter topaz
it's an empty file 
mossy light
wait
awh cmon
it took me like 30m to write that suggestion and i just deleted it by accident
frail mantle
mossy light
yes pls
queen delta
1/2500 chance?
mossy light
yeah
queen delta
So basically this event would almost never see the light of day?
chrome holly
At 20 minutes per day, we're still at 2 full WEEKS of gameplay for the mean time to event. And that's for 1/1000!
See how rare eclipses are? Well they are only 1/25!
hollow shell
Why a txt and not a Google Doc?
loud steeple
mabey make it a 100 and then a thingy to summon it?
chrome holly
Yeah, I don't trust having to download something for a suggestion
Even 100 is ludicrously rare
queen delta
The thing is, as rare as eclipse is, it can be summoned
if yours is 1/2500 and theres no way to summon it, then the devs arent going to waste their time on something like this that'll pretty much never see the light of day
chrome holly
If it can be summoned and it's naturally 1/100 it may as well be summoned only, like the PM/FM
queen sail
The rarest natural event in vanilla is the eclipse
And the spawn chance for that is 1/25
That's frequent in comparison to 1/2500
I'm ngl, this sounds like a suggestion someone would make when 1.3 just released
hollow shell
@vital nymph Please say what the actual function of the weapon is and also give a reason why
vital nymph
It is a Staff that summons Calamitas (or more) to fight for you . I made that only for the very late-Providence , The Profaned Godess mode . If you have still a sheer luck , you can obtain it on Calamitas . It's kinda like an "Extra" Weapon .
small talon
are you saying a legendary summon weapon?
vital nymph
Yep .
hollow shell
ok good but what does it do?
jovial solstice
:))))))))))
vital nymph
Summon Calamitas .
jovial solstice
well that fucking sucks ass
vital nymph
In smaller , not "Big" , a friendly lil'Calamitas .
jovial solstice
hmmmmm
frail mantle
Entropy's Vigil
vital nymph
He will shoot 3 Brimstone Lasers . If an NPC touches it , and doesn't die , he will have Brimstone Flames .
jovial solstice
gae
frail mantle
you're basically describing what sounds like a worse Entropy's Vigil
hollow shell
Okay.
Do edit your suggestion to include that function
vital nymph
Ok .
hollow shell
If it's a summon weapon it should deal Summon damage, too
And also add the reason why as well
novel pebble
How does enemies hit your summons
And why does it deal magic damage
And why does it even exist, Entropy's vigil already a thing
vital nymph
...
queen sail
We don’t need a “better” version of something that’s already viable
frail mantle
also Calamitas isn't a guy
queen sail
EV is of the best summon weapons I’ve heard, actually
frail mantle
EV is indeed pretty good
rancid laurel
@vital nymph I'm confused with the level of progression the weapon is at. You said it's dropped by SCal, indicating shadowspec-tier, but if you grind enough you could get it as early as Calamitas. It's also crafted with post-DoG items so you would get it far earlier than SCal if you really wanted it and were willing to use materials
rancid laurel
It would be better if you removed the calamitas drop chance because something like that would be insanely OP for a long period of time
rancid laurel
Maybe make it into a post-DoG upgrade for entropy's vigil because it's very similar but with loads more damage
bitter drift
has there been a thought of a summon with "modes"?
frail mantle
what sort of modes
bitter drift
like let's say a type specific mode
a place i can see a summon like this is in the start of hard mode with it having 3 modes one cryogen one brim one sulfurous
another place can be the SG or the mini bosses
the summon modes will be based on the bosses
frail mantle
yea but how would the modes work
would it periodically switch between modes, or would it have different summons summoned with right click and left click, etc
bitter drift
most likely right and left clicks
frail mantle
i've actually suggested two summons that do that iirc
bitter drift
can you show me?
frail mantle
one moment
https://docs.google.com/document/d/10qBqXapEbddV1HdipfVfcJQbu0qALhOu0UI6odSnshg/edit?usp=sharing
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dtofI2mtU0cxZek1sFjS4sMnEVy_cl_NFDdMNHvxfVU/edit?usp=sharing
bitter drift
actually there is a 3th option
a bind that changes the modes
so i read the suggestions
they are good and they are what I'm asking but to some extant not it's entirety well that is probably the best I'm going to see from someone else on what i thought
my was more like 1 sentry the mode changes what the sentry does
going back to the cryo brimstone and sulfur example
1 sentry(thought was that it would look like a mechanical sentry tho can be other things) the sentry either shoot ice bullets, launches brimstone missiles, or expose sulfuric smoke
low remnant
Was possibly going to suggest adding a flame effect when Rage/Adrenaline is used, to accentuate the effect as sometimes its hard to notice if you've used it intentionally (or otherwise). It'd also look really, really cool
civic pond
Actually i'd be cool with that
I usually double take my buff bar to see if i activated it 
queen sail
Doesn’t activating rippers already have an effect appearing on the player though?
civic pond
If it did i don't remember
supple lynx
There should be fishing profishency
civic pond
grizzled abyss
there is no way to tell if your suggestion has been seen or considered once its been sent over, right?
aside from the implemented flag of course
fast dew
Y’all know what would be epic
civic pond
Green checks?
low remnant
If you get the Star emotes to greater than I believe its 90 now, then it's been sent to the Dev team but otherwise I'm not sure what you're asking
fast dew
An upgraded optic staff that summons calamitas and her brothers
fast dew
Oh does that exist
civic pond
yes it do
delicate raft
lul
civic pond
Drops from clone
fast dew
Well damn I’m not a big summoner guy
grizzled abyss
im asking to know if there is a way to tell if they have decided not to implement it or if they are still looking over it
civic pond
Well
There's a good chance if there's no checkered flag after maybe 5 days its probably not being implemented
grizzled abyss
ah
whelp
it was a complex enemy sooooo :\
also
you cant repost your own suggestion if it went through, correct?
low remnant
I think it's discouraged, yes
grizzled abyss
oof
grizzled abyss
indefinitely or after a certain period of time
dusty stirrup
@fast dew
fast dew
Yes?
dusty stirrup
There's a few yoyos very early in prehm
grizzled abyss
cnidarian and riptide are both yoyos of the tier you were looking for lol
fast dew
But they’re all vanilla
dusty stirrup
Those aren't vanilla...
grizzled abyss
nope
dusty stirrup
Cnidrian...
gilded badger
it is pre hive mind, and you just talked about fighting the perforators, a boss on the same tier as hive mind
fast dew
Perforators are way harder imo
gilded badger
do you want a post boss-youre-fighting weapon?
fast dew
Also this is embarrassing
fast dew
Wooden yo-yo is poop
lost agate
First do real research please
gilded badger
calamity isnt meant to completely replace vanilla though
fast dew
I know but I want to play modded as much as possible
The suggestion is deleted now anyway what does it matter
grizzled abyss
ill take that as indefinite...?
pliant bone
About the rage/adrenaline visuals thing, it's a cool concept.
Though im confused as how people not notice the sfx of activating Rage/Adrenaline.
Unless they have sound volume at the bare mininum
gilded badger
even then, the sound is louder than anything else
queen sail
Rage and Adrenaline activation sfx is literally the moon lord scream
Not sure how you could not hear it
fast dew
I mean rage/adrenaline activation makes a loud ass noise so unless you don’t play with sound idk how you can miss it
civic pond
sometimes i play without sound
civic pond
b
fast dew
I think revengeance and death mode king slime should get some kind of projectile to stop players cheesing it
fickle spruce
yoyos are good already
queen delta
@civic pond Actually 2 of my 3 suggestions that got implemented were sent like 1-2 weeks before that time
It's really about Fab paying attention to the sent suggestions
radiant meadow
many suggestions are implemented but Fab doesn't say anything about it, he just does it
examples: elysian tracers craftable at an ancient manipulator (hey, that's your suggestion Yata), and making king slime drop gel
ivory heart
Astral furniture
signal prairie
~~Wonders if Prism Shards act as a Light Source for npcs now ~~
opaque grail
I thought king slime always dropped gel
foggy kindle
he doesn't, but his slimes does
hearty yew
@low remnant i cannot encourage this enough
like
i cannot star this suggestion more than once
have you ever played a burnout game?
you know how the boost bar is literally made of fire and it burns away while you're using it?
the rage/adren bars should fucking do that
hearty yew
nah i'm not that evil
signal prairie
I do agree. I can't star that suggestion enough. It would be hella cool to see.
mystic sandal
so thoughts?
queen sail
Uhhhh
foggy kindle
Astral Slime already exist lol
queen sail
- We’re probably gonna get Astral Monolith furniture eventually
- Why? Spriting furniture is a pain in the ass
Also have a more direct homage to Astrageldon instead of just furniture
Nobody’s gonna look at a chair and think, “Huh, remember when that existed?”
foggy kindle
We kinda have the Jelly Bean for that though
low remnant
wait wat why am I being pinged? What do you mean 'you cannot star that', Ozzatron? Do you mean you want to star it more than once or the suggestion is illegal not creative enough?
queen delta
It means ozz really likes it
Basically: give yourself a pat on the back for this idea
bitter drift
maybe an inflictor accessory?
frail mantle
you mean an accessory that lets your attacks inflict some sort of debuff?
distant gyro
@vital nymph you can't use shadowspec-
vital nymph
bars
distant gyro
yes
frail mantle
shadowspec bars are exclusively for dev items
frail mantle
^
vital nymph
oh wait then Cosmilite i guess
frail mantle
maybe replace it with Calamitous Essence
vital nymph
I already included the Calamitous Essences .
placid moth
That's insane amounts of grinding
vital nymph
Because it is a very-late Yhraon weapon .
placid moth
That's not gonna get in ?
vital nymph
idk
frail mantle
that recipe is Apotheosis and Friends levels of insane grinding
vital nymph
lol
frail mantle
also Death Mode exclusive items aren't allowed
spark flax
"his"
placid moth
Did you just star and exclamation your own suggestion
spark flax
"His attack : He can"
proven tide
b o i
vital nymph
no
spark flax
My guy, Calamitas is a girl
placid moth
consumes gender change potion
frail mantle
i think you should read the Suggestions Rules
proven tide
and the english of a bobylev
haha yes inflict a debuff that only affects players
Vulnerability Hex's effects:
>It causes the player to lose 30 defense, 30% damage reduction, and 10% movement speed, as well as reducing their flight time by 75%, disabling all infinite flight, reducing their vision similarly to the Darkness debuff, disabling all life regen, and causing them to lose 16 health per second.
nice.
frail mantle
it's their second suggestion in the server
placid moth
I swear if Dado comes up with a SCal sword, bow and gun...
Wait, he has two SCal staff suggestions ?
frail mantle
ye
placid moth
I am utterly confused.
vital nymph
Yep , one which is the upgrade (Staff of Scal.)
frail mantle
in comparison, this was my first Calamity suggestion and my first message in this server lmao:
Friendly fish- crafted @ anvil with 8 victide bars and 10 goldfish. Accessory that gives +1 max minion and has a chance of summoning a goldfish that will momentarily direct enemies away from you
placid moth
Very Cool.
vital nymph
Yep .
frail mantle
anyways, Dado, i think you should read the Suggestions Rules
spark flax
Anyways sorry dado but your suggestion isn't very good
vital nymph
rip
zenith hazel
yes, apotheosis and mechworm, 2 weapons that are very related to scal
also you have to farm like 4 SSVs for this
low remnant
wait I just can't read. ok Ozzatron thanks for the support
hearty yew
yep
unique vector
@vital nymph deathmode drops will never be accepted
please revise or delete your suggestion. its contradictory that you have “deathmode drop” and then “obtainable expert+” right after; what’s the point of making it such a rare drop in deathmode when you can just craft it in literally any other mode? i dont get the vulnerability hex thing. does it apply to the player or to enemies when hit by the lasers? by NPCs for the brimstone flames, does that include town npcs? i also dont understand why you included so many different weapons that take forever to grind for. it feels like you put random stuff into its recipe. additionally, dont list specific stats because they will usually or almost always be altered if the weapon is accepted. just dont bother.
zenith hazel
interesting but doesn't needler already have an upgrade?
spikes are also finite iirc
vague karma
maybe, but still what gun would fit more the recipe?
smoky wagon
nail gun
vague karma
hey, you're right
smoky wagon
maybe
vague karma
I kinda forgot about it
smoky wagon
Do you mean dungeon spikes as ammo?
vague karma
yup
smoky wagon
Those arent very easy to get a consistent supply of
zenith hazel
can multiple nails create a buzz saw?
zenith hazel
unless you force arms dealer to sell spikes, the ammo that you have is pretty limited
lost agate
Afaik, the only reason AS doesnt have a trophy is that theres no sprite for it yet
frail mantle
^
lost agate
Tho i think it would be ok to add a reason, as obvious it may be, for formality
sturdy canopy
Okay lemme think of a reason that doesn't sound jokey 😂 the only thing I can think of is "the completionist inside me is screaming"
bitter drift
lol
lost agate
Maybe something like "it would be ok for consistency"
gloomy hazel
Now that I think about the fact that Death exclusive items are not accepted, what's the benefit of having Death Mode on besides 25% increased spawn rates and the tripled rage/adrenaline damages anyway? There should be more to it! There's no reward in playing Death Mode.
not even an increase in drop rates, not even increased gold drops, nothing but an increase in rage and adrenaline
lost agate
The difficulty
gloomy hazel
and that's it?
lost agate
And oh boy lemme tell you the step up in difficulty is quite something
KS rekt my ass in death mode
gloomy hazel
-"Death mode is harder"
-"But what's the benefit?"
-"It's just harder"
-"Don't you win more stuff or anything?"
-"It's just harder"
lost agate
There doesnt always have to be a benefit
gloomy hazel
But it's pointless then!
sturdy canopy
Actually as cheesy as this sound, I think Death mode gives the best reward possible. A sense of accomplishment that you beat a stupidly difficult...difficulty, that makes even the weakest boss a challenge.
sturdy canopy
I love difficult games. Makes things so much more entertaining.
gloomy hazel
Okay, I get the same feeling when I beat the Flagship in the Normal mode of Faster Than Light, but that's also because it now shows that I've beaten the game in said difficulty
sturdy canopy
It wouldn't be very fun if you plow through everything with ease.
worthy fiber
AS trophy will be added when someone makes it
gloomy hazel
But hey, what about Death Mode trophies?
sturdy canopy
Woo. Also I edited my suggestion to add in mask as well, since I noticed it also doesn't have a mask.
worthy fiber
Same reason as stated
gloomy hazel
oh, so NOTHING should be Death Mode Exclusive, not even some kind of medal or anything that proves you've beaten X boss in Death Mode?
It's like when you're in a competitive box fight, when ou win, you get a medal that proves you've been victorious of a tough match.
The vanilla trophies are a proof that you've beaten X boss in any difficulty for example
lost agate
...
worthy fiber
You don't need a medal to prove it, you've already got the skill
And really that's all you need for a challenge like deathmode
frail mantle
some things in Death Mode do actually have rewards
gloomy hazel
like?
worthy fiber
Pets, that's about it
lost agate
Levi pet
frail mantle
if you beat Death SCal, congratulations, you've got a pet that shows your skill
gloomy hazel
Okay, but that's for SCal only
frail mantle
if you beat Hardcore Death DoG, you now have a Chibii Doggo pet
fickle spruce
or hardcore death dog
gloomy hazel
okay, it's the superboss of the mod, whatever
worthy fiber
You don't really need a reward
frail mantle
look at Masochist Mode
lost agate
Imagine always doing something just for the reward smh
Some maso bosses drop new items tho
worthy fiber
😤
distant gyro
it's from fargo's
worthy fiber
Fargo's mod
gloomy hazel
Ah
frail mantle
the only reward for beating the maso bosses is something that lets you survive most of the others
fickle spruce
it's from fargo's soul mod
lost agate
Lmao true
tired haven
I'd argue that being able to use overbuffed adrenaline is the true reward of death mode
frail mantle
and Masomode is about ten thousand times harder than Death Mode
gloomy hazel
@tired haven but that's countered by the increased stats of the bosses
tired haven
Not fully. With good perfomance you still kill them faster
fickle spruce
higher difficulty modes often don't give u anything other than just the difficulty changes that you asked for by choosing them
tired haven
Also phase skipping exists, and it can be game-changing
gloomy hazel
so why Expert mode give unique accessories? Why does Revengance give unique items? Etc...
lost agate
Because they wanted to
frail mantle
Death Mode is there for people who like difficulty
fickle spruce
revengeance is the mode that calamity is balanced for iirc
fickle spruce
deathmode is for players that want more challenging stuff
lost agate
and if you activate both....
gloomy hazel
I was curious to know if there was any rewards besides increased rage/adrenaline damages in Death Mode. All the other modes, even Armageddon and Defiled Rune grant better loot. Armageddon is literally the HARDEST mode and it gives the player 5-6 bags if he kills the boss without getting hit. Death Mode is hard, but not as much as Armageddon, and yet it gives nothing but increased rage/adrenaline boosts.
wintry raptor
"nothing but a bonus that stacks on top of everything else and can't be gotten any other way"
frail mantle
it gives difficulty
wintry raptor
And also yeah, difficulty
gloomy hazel
AND THAT'S IT? Just difficulty?
wintry raptor
Is that a bad thing?
frail mantle
^
lost agate
Uh
fickle spruce
armageddon and defiled are usually turned on and off for farming
wintry raptor
If it gave items people would feel forced to play on it
lost agate
You know armageddon difficulty depends on what mode youre in right?
fickle spruce
deathmode is for a full playthrough
distant gyro
If you only seek for reward then death mode might not be for you
fickle spruce
might
gloomy hazel
I've beaten the DoG in Armageddon+Revengance+Defiled Rune mode, multiple times even, and it was hard. I've beaten him like 3-4 times out of a dozen of deaths
I did not have Death Mode on
frail mantle
ok?
gloomy hazel
I did not use Death Mode because it was pointless to activate to me
lost agate
So what?
wintry raptor
"3/4 times out of a dozen of deaths"
that isn't hard 25% consistency is really good for first 12
queen sail
@gloomy hazel Devil May Cry is known for how brutal it usually is. The hardest difficulty, Dante Must Die, rewards the player with Super Costumes, which provide infinite Devil Trigger. However, your score is reduced to 20% of its original amount, and there’s no other harder difficulty to use it on.
worthy fiber
Doesn't mean it isn't pointless for everyone
frail mantle
like i've said twice now, the point of Death Mode is difficulty
distant gyro
As I said; Death Mode may not be for you if you seek rewards
fickle spruce
did you use armageddon and defiled for the loot or for the challenge?
because defiled doesn't give you anything more from bosses
queen sail
That is an example of such difficulty.
gloomy hazel
@frail mantle And that's it?
frail mantle
yes.
queen sail
You get the super costumes...
gloomy hazel
@fickle spruce for the loot
queen sail
And by the time you get it, you’ve pretty much proven that you’ve beaten the game at everything.
lost agate
Imagine thinking only loot matters
distant gyro
^
lost agate
Youre one greedy person
gloomy hazel
Actually, I was looking for the Legendary item DoG dropped
zenith hazel
death is just an extra challenge
rev is the main difficulty here
you play death for the heck of it or you wanna push your skills to their limits
frail mantle
you could argue that the Rev exclusive items only exist to make playing Rev a bit easier
wintry raptor
You want to just get more loot? Go play an idle game. I love those I'm not criticising them but they're the perfect game for when you just want to see numbers go up
frail mantle
they're not really rewards
gloomy hazel
Idle games are lame
gloomy hazel
I meant loot, but I meant the Cosmic Discharge. The rest of the loot, I sold it
queen sail
Death’s entire existence is for people who want more than just Rev
wintry raptor
Yo dude you've crossed a line leave idle games alone
lost agate
Anyway, can we just drop this topic since we are basically going in circles?
frail mantle
alright
gloomy hazel
Uuuhg...