suggestions-discussion

[earnest raptor]

[quiet abyss]

Melee can do perfectly fine without any yoyos

[lost agate]

Yoyos didnt exist before 1.3 mind you

[dusty peak]

So i have a suggestion

[dry stag]

not just for yoyos

[dusty peak]

But it requires me to post a link

Is that ok

[quiet abyss]

@dry stag There’s exodium clusters

[sinful violet]

i find it hard to actively use yoyos much less rely on them

[quiet abyss]

As well as unholy essences

[sinful violet]

and yeah, go ahead

[dusty peak]

Ok

[dry stag]

I'm bad at making yoyos anyways

[quiet abyss]

And effulgent feathers from birb

[dry stag]

Birb is pre provi?

[quiet abyss]

Ye

It used to be post dog pre yharon but now it’s pre provi

Been suggested a couple times

[lost agate]

Oh an eidolon pet

[dusty peak]

Aw

[sinful violet]

oh this again

[dusty peak]

Nevermind then

[sinful violet]

yeah worm pets are a ways off with what we know of coding them.

[dusty peak]

Hm

Id assume just give it the ai of one of the celestial worm enemies (like the crawltipede for example) and just remove its hitbox so it doesnt hurt you

But hey idk how to program so what am i saying

[sinful violet]

would be nice if these things were that simple

[dry stag]

Huh

[ashen warren]

alright, i'm gonna brainstorm and polish the polter echo yoyo idea, maybe even sprite it later, bye

[quiet abyss]

See ya

[dry stag]

So pre provi post ml needs more weapons, right?

[normal thorn]

Not really

Theres alot of weapons pre provi

[lost agate]

Quite a lot yes

[dry stag]

Okay then. Give me a tier that does, and what materials are relevant to that tier, and I'll come up with a few ideas

[placid moth]

but then imagine farming for ruinous soul instead of phantoplasm

[hollow shell]

@earnest raptor Image
could
have had more than 10 seconds of effort put into it

[earnest raptor]

Okay.

I'll delete image.

[hollow shell]

Idea is neat though
Like the yoyo is whirling around you really fast

[earnest raptor]

Insanely fast.

[bitter drift]

so i suggested 2 chain suggestions a while ago.
they all didn't pass.
can you help with criticism on them all?

[ashen warren]

You guys ever think there's gonna be support for Fargo's masochist mode?

[amber canopy]

no

there won't be any support for masoDAD

[bitter drift]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ofmCETV9m-Ac6STZE_5Q9f9qDb3Ze_1R-2FINZ-CFfw/edit?usp=sharing
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ac7p8dfuFv6NTu9emN8tNMYw6ah3fKLilOlI3MOXaDI/edit?usp=sharing

is there anyway i can change these to make it better

pls a bit of criticism0

[dense girder]

Changing The Recipe For Life Fruit

[normal thorn]

Life fruits are supposed to be rare lol

Usually u get your 500hp after finding golem temple

[bitter drift]

pls help

[normal thorn]

Wtf is that unicorn rogue weapon

Are u high haha

All theese items are just not practical imo.

And all theese rocket launchers are unnecessary

[signal prairie]

500 hp is intended before plantera

[normal thorn]

You better think of one good idea and try to make it as good as possible rather than just vomiting low quality ones

[signal prairie]

Terraria devs said so

[normal thorn]

Well in calamity plantera is a joke anyways lol

[signal prairie]

Wrong

[normal thorn]

Easy to dodge

If you think im wrong just practise

[signal prairie]

I've played the mod since 1.0 release. I know how to dodge

[normal thorn]

And if u want 500 hp just use some weapon with block penetration and shoot in all directions

[signal prairie]

No weapons do that

[normal thorn]

Well i dont see a problem in 100 hp difference

[signal prairie]

Death Plant does 140 a hit

[normal thorn]

Just dodge it mate lol 4head

[signal prairie]

I've nohit death plant when he was easy

[normal thorn]

Now they made it harder

So its more challenging

[signal prairie]

he aint easy now

[normal thorn]

And if u want life fruits just explore jungle

[signal prairie]

Have you gone through the jungle for 3 hours and not found a single life fruit

[normal thorn]

Its not devs fault that youre lazy and want to craft them

No

But i spent 5 hours trying to find golem temple and got to 500 hp

Within first hour

[signal prairie]

I've already found 3/4 of my jungle and my Temple

[normal thorn]

Well i think life fruits grow as u play

Also the craft youre suggested is strange, why does it require souls

If its a fruit

[pliant bone]

Cant you just beat Plant first, get Post-Plantera weapons that shred Plantera and farm it?

Or better yet, commit adrenaline before p2 starts

[normal thorn]

Or better yet, use butcher option of cheat sheet

[pliant bone]

5 chloro bars is one life fruit right?
Assuming you only craft them all
You need 20 life fruits for its hp upgrade
5 for asgard's valor
20 for the further hp upgrades

So you saying, commit get 225 chloro bars or 1000+ chloro ores?

[signal prairie]

I'm not saying only use that recipe. its an easy recipe to farm while you look for life fruit and farm Chlorophyte for weapons and upgrades

[pliant bone]

You already use chloro for other stuff especially if you are melee/ranged/mage.
This would just make it hard to make more life fruits in general than looking for natural life fruits.

[gritty sky]

i mean honestly setting up jungle grass acuators are simple enough and tbey get the job done fine

[pliant bone]

Also, I doubt anyone would find p1 plantera to be hard.
If they are having trouble with it, it isnt their max hp the problem

[normal thorn]

[earnest raptor]

@signal prairie you can craft life fruits from living shards and mud from abyss.

[signal prairie]

I'm talking about a pre-plantera recipe

[ashen warren]

I dont think you understand that for Life Fruits to be crafted pre-Plantera would take away the whole purpose of them spawning in the first place

[frail mantle]

also it'd remove the purpose of a post-plant recipe

[ashen warren]

^that too

[signal prairie]

I'm pretty sure you guys haven't had this problem... for every single playthrough

[normal thorn]

I never had it tbh

Especially in calamity where u have a big variety of weapons to kill plantera with

Without need for 100hp

[frail mantle]

if it happened in every single playthrough of yours it's probably just bad rng

[normal thorn]

After all you can reforge all your items to warding lol

[pliant bone]

[normal thorn]

And become the ultimate tank

[earnest raptor]

tank
calamity

[mental path]

going from 400 to 500 hp is like getting 25% dr so it is a very big deal

and also 25 hp from blood orange

[tired haven]

Not quite tbh
You don't restore these faster so it's more of 125hp buffer

[placid moth]

The idea is there though

[tired haven]

Surely helps in short fights but in endurance is negated

Which is what tank is about imho

[placid moth]

Tank doesn't exist ngl

[tired haven]

Well yes lol

[mental path]

I've survived a countless amounts of fights that I'd have otherwise lost if not for the extra hp

[placid moth]

Extra HP is good for anything

[tired haven]

Yeah, I just try to remind most of the time it's about dr and regen and not max hp

[mental path]

well except if you get one shot from anything

[tired haven]

See: blood pact

[placid moth]

That is an exception

What I was referring to as extra hp are consumables

[tired haven]

Free max hp is good, obv

Anything free is good

Well maybe except scal lore item

[amber canopy]

plaguebringer wings exist in the vanity mod

but it's the normal kind

which sucks ass

[normal thorn]

The idea is awesome but there is shroomite hoverboard

[fickle spruce]

phantoplasm ez smh

[lost agate]

@proud isle i mean neither do any mech/mech alts, except cryo cuz well thats what makes him special

Prime doesnt really change much, destroyer is always the same, twins only have a second phase but they do the same all the time and as just gets faster

[terse sundial]

Brimstone Elemental's projectiles move faster at lower health, but that's really it besides the Rev+ Brimlings

[lost agate]

Which is about the same kind of changes the other bosses at that tier have

[terse sundial]

mhm

[frail mantle]

also maybe instead of saying "add something along the lines of this vague concept" say "add this thing that does this because of this reason"

[bitter drift]

god of ded memes
can i get help please?

[frail mantle]

sure

whatchu need help with

[bitter drift]

do you remember my chain suggestions? (the hallow weapon suggestions and rocket launchers suggestions)
is there a way i can improve them?
(tried to ask that before but the only "criticism" i got was an A hole down playing me like i wasn't serious)
and if you agree should i get the docs here?

[frail mantle]

i can try to help

[bitter drift]

ok thank you

here they are
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ac7p8dfuFv6NTu9emN8tNMYw6ah3fKLilOlI3MOXaDI/edit?usp=sharing
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ofmCETV9m-Ac6STZE_5Q9f9qDb3Ze_1R-2FINZ-CFfw/edit?usp=sharing

[frail mantle]

for the PHM explosives one, maybe replace the Blood Orbs in the recipe for the Really Bloody Launcher with Vertebrae

[bitter drift]

ok

any more?

[frail mantle]

tbh the only problem i can see with the documents is the formatting

it's a bit hard to understand in places

[bitter drift]

that is because i suck at English

[frail mantle]

[bitter drift]

[pliant bone]

There'a gonna be problems with that especially DespawningForNoReason++

[frail mantle]

adir, i can try reformatting your documents if you'd like

[radiant meadow]

@sonic raft Revengeance used to be a permanent change. It was made togglable. I highly doubt it will change back to permanent.

[fickle spruce]

true

[ruby field]

Then you should still be able to craft the togglesbles on an altar
just so you can still turn it off
and you wouldnt get them with the starting bag
even tho I dont see whats the point of pussying out of the challenge

[tired haven]

Killed playthroughs due to wrong mode pick

Though I'm not the one who would tell objective reasoning

[loud steeple]

@bitter drift theres a thingy messed up in the hallow suggestion

[frail mantle]

which part

[loud steeple]

the unicorn cry

it repeats itself

5 vortex fragments and 5 vortex fragments

[frail mantle]

fixed

[loud steeple]

i love reading other suggestions

[bitter drift]

story: in my mind when making the PHM explosive weapons I meant to make 3 line of explosive weapons but I didn't have a 3th weapon so I made just 2 (If I know what i'm talking about there is only grenade launchers and rocket launchers as explosive weapons, other weapons seen more like a rogue weapon then range like C4)

if someone can name me an explosive weapon that will fit ranger and isn't an RPG or grenade launcher then maybe i'll make the 3th line (it was originally made from platinum/gold and ended with piss sea stuff)

[frail mantle]

wrong channel, i think

[bitter drift]

wdym

[knotty current]

i meant to type something in a different channel but accidentally posted it here

[hollow shell]

@stone grove Rod of Discord / Normality Relocator?

[stone grove]

Yeah but maybe with some sort of leash attached, which can keep you in range of the boss? I dunno, it just feels hard to STAY in for bosses like Providence, Ceaseless Void and Fishron as a true melee character

[smoky wagon]

sounds oddly specific and hard to code

[worthy fiber]

It’s going to break multiplayer

[gilded badger]

a grappling hook that can hit enemies

[tired haven]

Chain Knife but a hook?

[queen delta]

no

A hook, but chain knife

[dense girder]

[tired haven]

[gloomy hazel]

But wouldn't it be some kind of double-edged sword? If one was able to latch on Providence with a hook for example, Providence would keep trying to put distance upward and would result in her exiting the Hallow/Underworld

[lost agate]

only if the hook aint fast enough

its more of an issue with scal

[gloomy hazel]

Oh yeah, SCal is very spastic when she shoot in horizontal lines and she charges very fast as well.

[lost agate]

@rigid raptor proficiency didnt buff bosses in any way tho

[rigid raptor]

no, but the lower the damage players output, the harder the boss

[wanton surge]

i mean, main reason why bard & healer cant reach endgame calamity is because their final items are not much post moon lord

+15% damage wouldnt change much

[rigid raptor]

yeah, but I mean up until moon lord

most of the game is pre-ml

[wanton surge]

when i did a bard run, albeit hard at times, i didnt find it problematic

given, i only play mp

[rigid raptor]

i had a bad time as bard, and that was before proficiances were implimented

it shouldn't be that hard to impliment, but i don't really know since i'm not a modder

[left sparrow]

What if I made a request to give the summoner auric armor a special permanent minion that works like the stardust armor's guardian

[placid moth]

Interesting.

[queen sail]

Doesn’t bard already have like

Black MIDI

[rigid raptor]

yeah, but that pales in comparison to the endgame calamity weapons

i don't mind bard being inneffective past moon lord, as it was only designed to go up to ragnarok. I would like better integration between cala and thor though, considering that they're the two most popular terraria mods

[stone grove]

Yeah that would be great

I just finished a calamity/thorium playthru and I don't think I ever really used the thorium weapons, because especially with melee, calamity SIGNIFICANTLY buffs some weapons, like nights edge, Excalibur, etc

So I don't know if this is possible, but a) maybe bring some thorium weapons up to the level of calamity ones, and b) add specification of 'true melee' for some thorium weapons

[placid moth]

Shouldn't this be on thorium discord instead

[ashen warren]

@rigid raptor that is how it works currently iirc

[terse sundial]

that is how it works rn

[rigid raptor]

ah, ok

cool

[terse sundial]

All non-summon weps applies the penalty except for classless weps

tools do not count

[proven tide]

@brisk swan hmm that's gonna be a no from me

july 4 is a day every terraria player celebrates

27 million copies

take a guess how many of those are american

[brisk swan]

10 million.

[proven tide]

not 27, that's how many

[brisk swan]

Huh, 27? That's like a small population.

[proven tide]

you get the point

it's an extremely flimsy and specially-tailored reason

[frail mantle]

12 million copies of Terraria have been sold in america

[proven tide]

a minority

[frail mantle]

that's a lot, but it's not every player

[brisk swan]

So that's 12 million americans.

[proven tide]

not 27 million terrarians.

i play terraria; i don't give a single shit about the united states; immediately you are wrong

[queen delta]

I live in the US and i stopped giving a shit about it a few years ago. Regardless, this would be a cool weapon to have

[brisk swan]

So only very few people give a damn about 4th of july. I pretty much stopped giving a shit about it too after it became clear that i live in Easter Europe.

[queen sail]

I don’t support this but for a different reason

Namely that ml already drops 2 rivs

[opaque grail]

If there is a 4th of July item I want a damned Syrup Day Cannon for Canada too!

"every American citizen (and Terraria player)" wait did you just actually say all terrarians are american?

[queen delta]

Perhaps the item could drop from profaned guardians? Just to give a reason to grind the boss

[queen sail]

Have it be themed after the guardians then though

Maybe an riv of the energy sta— no wait

We already have profaned guardian summons

[queen delta]

Because for other RIVs, the item that drops from them is different in how direct it is

[queen sail]

:whenlifegetsatyou:

[queen delta]

For example, radiant star is only obtainable after deus, but quasar is directly dropped from deus

Celebration and your proposed RIV would both directly drop from ML

[queen sail]

You’re meant to obtain rivs at the exact tier you’re meant to obtain the regular version

But having ml drop an riv of something he already drops does sound a bit redundant

[queen delta]

Swordsplosion comes from birb while the common variant is pre birb

[queen sail]

But birb is post ml pre prov now

It’s in the same tier as guardians but stronger because it’s a fleshed out boss

So you can get aote during the same time you can fight birb

Hm

What if I suggest a Nebula Blaze RIV that drops from AD since he moved to pillars tier

Gonna name it Star Platinum

[bitter drift]

@brisk swan no not every terraria player celebrate the 4th of July
from where i'm from there is an entire fucking different calendar that goes by the moon and we celebrate our independence day at an entirely different month

[spark flax]

America sucks ass & doesn't deserve a weapon dedicated to it

[bitter drift]

it DOES YOU FREEK

the freest country in the world, the richest country in the world, the least racist country in the world. do you think we shouldn't praise it?
have you gone mad

[noble turret]

least racist"

[spark flax]

"least racist"

"freest country"

[opaque grail]

oh boy

[noble turret]

adir do you know who donald trump is lmao

[opaque grail]

please dont bring politics into this adir

[ashen warren]

Are we about to get into politics?

[bitter drift]

also i'm not an American i know what i'm talking about much more then the average American that goes to college and learn gender studies and not history
and with that this conversation ends

[opaque grail]

canada is known as the "land of the free" and "one of the nicest countries" and it's a shit show here, to put that in perspective

[ashen warren]

Let’s just say the weapon idea sucks and leave it at that

or needs improvement

[opaque grail]

nah, it's just stupid

[queen sail]

Is canada at least better than the us @opaque grail

[opaque grail]

oh yeha

we have an actual leader

[queen sail]

We have a cheeto

[opaque grail]

about the weapon, you cant even call it Independence Day either, because canada has Canada Day, and I imagine a lot of other countries do that too

[queen delta]

That means we should name the weapon that

So its not just american only

[frail mantle]

tbh the weapon itself isn't that bad, it's just the reasoning behind the suggestion that needs some work

[opaque grail]

Yata...

I JUST said that it CANT be called that because it doesnt fit everyone

[ashen warren]

we already have celebration; it's probably called that because it's the only real universally understood, well... celebration.

[opaque grail]

Yeah, I can't think of a single universal celebration, aside from other synonymous words like party

[swift bison]

new years?

no, that's at different times for different cultures

[ashen warren]

i guess birthdays?

[frail mantle]

call it the Party Popper or something

[neon birch]

just call it 3rd of july or smth to screw with everyone

[opaque grail]

3th of July

@ashen warren some ppl dont celebrate bdays

[ashen warren]

yeah

[worthy fiber]

5th would be better iirc

[ashen warren]

34th of june iirc

[bitter drift]

1st of august

[brisk swan]

I should rename my weapon that i suggestion Independence

[tired haven]

1st of April

Ideal name for celebration riv tbh

[brisk swan]

Lmao, the Celebration is a joke with Calamity mod enabled.

[frail mantle]

celebration is a meme in general, even in Vanilla

[worthy fiber]

@fast dew Fixed it, but next time the right channel to put it in is #wiki-basic

[marsh gust]

im deleting that since willow has taken care of it

[radiant meadow]

Could be Calamity anniversary date

May 26th

[radiant meadow]

@atomic bolt there's no need to repost, the suggestion got sent the first time

[ashen warren]

Should we make a "big brain" emote

For all the very special people here

[worthy fiber]

That's going to get way out of hand

[radiant meadow]

no, there won't be a "big brain" emote

too demeaning

same reason the :ranger: emote was removed

[lost agate]

I would rather not have people call someone stupid with an image

Thats like asking for a way to break the first rule

[ivory heart]

I want a way to spare Supreme Calamitas’s life at the end of her fight

If you’re wondering how I got to her I used another mod

[lost agate]

That has been suggested a lot

[opaque grail]

so suggest it again

[lost agate]

That still doesnt ensure it will get in

also if this idea is appearing cuz undertale then ech

[opaque grail]

well it's not like undertale made mercy

[lost agate]

Well yes but still

Not like scal wants mercy

[ivory heart]

She deserves mercy

[bitter topaz]

tbh i don't see the point in nerfing ore slimes

it's already well known that fab wants the mod to focus on bosses rather than tediously going around caves

[ivory heart]

Yes

[queen sail]

Swap out The Obliterator in The Oracle recipe with Solar Flare

Reason: The Oracle’s aura effect stems from direct hits and Solar Flare fills in this trope quite nicely considering that it explodes on contact. The Obliterator does not as it is a projectile based yoyo and, while one could argue that the Daedalus/Reaver/Uelibloom tier yoyos also use projectiles, Daedalus and Reaver (along with Ataxia) weapons are also used in crafting endgame weapons and Verdant could be switched out for an eventual Darksun-tier yoyo.

obligatory obliterator bad meme

[ivory heart]

@queen sail yes

[queen delta]

If obshiterator isnt gonna get any major buffs, then might as well delete it cuz it does nearly nothing

[full bramble]

rifter got more than me

[radiant meadow]

@queen sail the oracle is a patron item so you'll have to ask Arkhine about that one

[queen sail]

Huh

[radiant meadow]

you didn't think an exo yoyo and exo flail got added for the lolz, did ya?

[queen sail]

Maybe to speed up the process

You orwellian sea tortoises

[radiant meadow]

no

stop showing off your suggestions over 90 stars

[frail mantle]

still doesn't really mean you have to show it off every time tho

[radiant meadow]

it comes off as egotistical/selfish in a sense, which isn't good

[queen delta]

And plus, no one really cares tbh

[lost agate]

@queen delta thats a mood

also, theres yoyo changes next update so who know what happens to obliterator

[zenith hazel]

papyrus scarab + necromantic scroll seems kinda redundant ngl

[hollow shell]

@lean ether Could you add a reason why?
Also, is there a duration on the +5% damage after getting hit? Or does it stay increased for the rest of your life?

[opaque grail]

there are better things to do if ur going for ideal summoner

if u want max summons, maybe it's good

oh u mean as a recipe, yeah I agree

[lean ether]

Sorry, the duration after being hit is 5 seconds. I'm doing this item with my friend, he likes to play as a summoner, the mod doesn't have so much items for summoner

[zenith hazel]

statis’ blessing and its upgrades?

[radiant meadow]

statis' blessing line is pretty powerful

[lean ether]

Papyrus scarab + necromantic scroll because if we had to create another item for the recipe

[zenith hazel]

2/4 soul artifacts?

[radiant meadow]

and all 3 of them stack with each other

statis' blessing is available after killing plantera

[zenith hazel]

actually 3 out of 4 if you consider eldritch a good summoner accessory

[lean ether]

But statis blessing and upgrades are the only good summoner accessories

[zenith hazel]

godly soul artifact and profaned soul artifact?

[lean ether]

Profaned soul artifact cancels Mechworm

[smoky wagon]

???

[frail mantle]

what

[hollow shell]

Godly is almost post-game and Profaned is still late

[radiant meadow]

fungal clump is good for early on

[zenith hazel]

yeah that happens

[radiant meadow]

just resummon the mechworm after you get hit

[frail mantle]

^

[smoky wagon]

dont forget HotE

[radiant meadow]

the use time of the weapon was sped up specifically because of that

[lean ether]

Godly Soul is a good, but don't have more items, it's just 5 that are really good

But resummon every time is not a good playstyle

[frail mantle]

there's also the Spirit Glyph, which is good early game

[smoky wagon]

Free 25% extra dmg

[zenith hazel]

ranger has like 4 or 5 accessories iirc

[radiant meadow]

well, the other option was for mechworm to be buggy af

[smoky wagon]

summoner gets more accessories than other classes

It might even have the most

[lean ether]

Really? I don't play ranged

But the summoner accessories is just statis and upgrades (this a bad point, maybe new items instead of repetitive items), profanade/godly artifact

[frail mantle]

also Spirit Glyph

[lean ether]

But using Spirit Glyph in endgame isn't a good ideia, is it?

[frail mantle]

it's still a nice accessory when you get it

[radiant meadow]

that is 5 accessories out of 7 slots

and there's plenty of other universal accessories that could fill some of those slots instead

[frail mantle]

we're not really talking about endgame accessories, we're discussing which Calamity accessories Summoners have throughout the game

[lean ether]

But gets repetitive using Statis accessories

[true lion]

i think what he meant is that would be good if we had more trinket options as summoners

[radiant meadow]

then only use 1 statis' accessory?

you can pretty easily get away with only 1 of them

[hollow shell]

I'd say it's better to have more accessories and options than you need, rather than only having enough
More accessories for any class is good, as long as the effect is unique and stuff

You could rework Samson's Wrath a bit to, say, only grant the damage boosts (for a short time) after getting hit, and having no boost initially.
That'd be a bit unique

[true lion]

yeah that would be good

[lean ether]

It's a good ideia, this could be an upgradable item and have more accessories

We will rework the item, doing it more unique and maybe more powerful as you progress in the game

[radiant meadow]

scaling isn't really a good idea

[hollow shell]

Yeah scaling is off limits

You can suggest upgrades though

[lean ether]

okay, thank you very much for helping us in your item

[true lion]

hey guys what you think about this?

Samson's Wrath

+2 max minions
5% minion damage
Everytime you take 50 damage you gain 1 revenge stack. Each stack buffs your minion damage a little. (revenge stacks have 60 seconds duration) (maximum stack is 5) (5%,10%,15%,20%,25%)

Craft: 1x Papyrus Scarab; 1x Necromantic Scroll; 2x Thorn Potion at Hardmode anvil

we've been thinking about changing the craft materials

~and not exactly this damage we can change that too ~

[radiant meadow]

I guess you must be the friend.

[true lion]

yeah

[opaque grail]

did u delete the suggestion

and THEN go into the discussion

[true lion]

@opaque grail we did mention that we would think about a rework calmdown my dude

[opaque grail]

?

i am calm?

chill dude no need to yell

[true lion]

wut

[lost agate]

:squint:

[opaque grail]

exactly

[hollow shell]

this is a text chat, fennec

[true lion]

well someone gave us the advice to first come here and ask for suggestions

[hollow shell]

and yeah it's recommended to post here first ^

[lost agate]

Idk, that accesories sounds a lil strong imo

[true lion]

thats why we wanted to talk bout it here

[opaque grail]

as someone pointed out, having 2 of essentially the same item is also redundant

[true lion]

maybe we can change the scaling

[lost agate]

Its like barely post plant i think

[opaque grail]

1 comes from the other, no need to have em both

[radiant meadow]

it's at the same time you get statis' blessing

[true lion]

hmm

i understand your point, just tought it would be cool if we had more variety

[lost agate]

It would be nice post ml but y'know how strong summoner is post ml

So uhm

[hollow shell]

When would this accessory be most needed?

[radiant meadow]

2 more axes would be cool and all if axes didn't eat all the i frames

[lost agate]

Pre hardmode(?)

[true lion]

and we were already thinking about the scaling being a little big

[radiant meadow]

probably mech tier

[quiet abyss]

That, yes

[opaque grail]

We REALLY need a summoner buff pre mech

[radiant meadow]

iirc, mechs are a sour spot for summoner (and levi)

[quiet abyss]

Summoner has only the emblem pre plant

[opaque grail]

it's the worst place by a long shot

At least levi you can just circle and dodge while they do it

Mechs are timed too, so the low dmg is ACTUALLY self-damaging

[quiet abyss]

So a nice summoner acc at mech tier would be nice

Preferrably not just some damage/minion slot boost though

[true lion]

yeah when we talked about it we wanted something different than just max minion or damage

[hollow shell]

Alright so
Souls of Night instead of the Papyrus & Scroll
to put it pre-Mech

[true lion]

but the armor sets already give some debuffs so we discarded that

[radiant meadow]

effect should be reworked too a bit

[hollow shell]

maybe something else
there isn't really a lotta summon vanilla accessories pre-mech to go on

[quiet abyss]

You can always do smth more than that

[opaque grail]

feels like the effect punishes the ONE thing summoner is skill reliant for; dodging.

[quiet abyss]

Luxor gift for instance has a cool extra minion

[true lion]

@hollow shell yeah thats why we were having trouble about the crafting material

[lost agate]

Tbf, summoner luxor gift is the weakest

[fickle spruce]

true summoner isn't really supposed to get hit

[lost agate]

The other luxor gifts have a lot more potential

[opaque grail]

luxor's gift is great for like magic

Summoners has only ever helped me when I needed light to find some enemies

[quiet abyss]

Spirit glyph exist too
Ya can always have your suggestion be a hardmode upgrade of that available at mech tier

[lost agate]

^

[opaque grail]

It didnt even have the damage to finish off the giant clam below like 200 hp

[quiet abyss]

I wouldn’t say luxor gift summon is weakest shucks

[opaque grail]

by the time I respawned

[lost agate]

Dmg scales with the summon that summoned it

[quiet abyss]

An extra minion is far better than just a stat/slot boost after all

[lost agate]

So a luxor gift spawned with say, immat can be interesting

[opaque grail]

Has anybody ever suggested HM shrine upgrades?

[quiet abyss]

Not really afaik

[radiant meadow]

luxor's gift honestly depends on the weapon it's used with

[lost agate]

Most are already hella useful so an upgrade is eeeeeeeh

And yes

[radiant meadow]

like photoviscerator is pretty garbo with luxor's

the electric bolts never hit anything unless you lead the flames so much that you don't hit scal

[quiet abyss]

Not to mention that shrine items dont have a recipe nor guaranteed chance of existing

[radiant meadow]

shrines are supposed to be guarantee but world gen sometimes messes up their spawning

[quiet abyss]

[hollow shell]

Are the not generated after everything else?

[radiant meadow]

underground cabins can spawn over them, so I guess not

same with the ice tomb

[opaque grail]

Ah, I assumed it was assured as I kept getting shrines every world

[hollow shell]

Odd

[opaque grail]

Can't you set them to be the very last thing to be generated

[lost agate]

Remember hell shrine?

Yeaaaaah

[radiant meadow]

I think Fab said he wasn't going to do that because working around with vanilla worldgen code is tough

[opaque grail]

oh I see, all I know is apparently 90% of terraria code is garbage

[quiet abyss]

It is

[radiant meadow]

like chest code isn't very nice I believe in that it prevents you from removing a chest with stuff in it

[true lion]

so in general an summoner accesory for mechanicals

we'll think bout it

[ivory heart]

Judgment
Deals more damage the higher percentage of world that is not pure. Corruption, Crimson, and hallow will all increase the damage. At complete purity, it deals 450 damage, and at complete corruption it deals 800. The weapon is quite slow, though, so you have to watch for that.
Crafted from 3 Divine Geodes and 10 Unholy Essence or as a rare drop from Providence.
“Channel the stains of this world into power in your hand.

[queen sail]

Point of this?

[quiet abyss]

First off, that recipe seems a bit lackluster (the 2nd option sounds a bit odd too)
Second, you haven’t exactly stated what kind of weapon it is and how it’s going to attack. Is it going to just fire a projectile with no special effect or...?
And finally, I’m not entirely sure about making it complete purity and complete corruption/hallow
That’s a bit too much of a labor, and unless it is exceptionally overpowered players most likely won’t bother trying to optimize this weapon and choose another option instead
Personally I think it’d be better if its damage only scale at min/max at like, 50% purity and 20% corruption hallow/corruption

I can’t really see the point of this weapon here either

Unique weapon ideas are nice, but in order for them to work and fit in nicely their effects would have to be something that most average players (or atleast, some average players) can work around with

Having a weapon that can only reach its full potential through massive amount of labor is not an ideal idea

[ivory heart]

Ok

[hollow shell]

Add a summoner accessory which converts additional minion damage to instead be a proportional max minion boost. So, you would have an army of weak minions rather than a few strong ones.
A proportional minion damage decrease may also need to be applied to prevent it from being overpowered, however DPS with this accessory on should still be higher than without it.
It could be available at any point in the game, but the earlier the better, so that it has the most potential.

Why: Summoner could use more accessories especially earlier game. Granted, all classes could use more dedicated accessories, but summoner is indeed a class. This accessory would allow for some very interesting loadout possibilities and more options for going through a summoner playthrough.

(credit to Dreams? for helping come up with this idea)

Opinions?

[quiet abyss]

Hmm, sounds interesting

[terse sundial]

it may also help with promoting summoners to not stick to one minion

[quiet abyss]

It’d allow for some mixups too ye

[terse sundial]

otherwise I like it

[quiet abyss]

Same

[hollow shell]

Alright
Shall post.

[proven tide]

yaassss

[radiant meadow]

so instead of like 13 axes bombarding providence, you have like 20 axes bombarding providence

but they're weaker and cuck each other with i frames

[queen delta]

Imagine the other way around

One axe melting providence

[radiant meadow]

so basically with it equipped, summoner emblem would boost minion slots rather than dmg, right?

[hollow shell]

Yeah

[radiant meadow]

for a lot of minions, that don't ignore i frames I can see it hindering more than helping tbh

[hollow shell]

Could still be good for events and farming

[dry stag]

I have an idea for the true melee suggestion

An accessory that allows an aimed dash at the cursor on right click while holding a true melee weapon.
Why: extra mobility against the very fast late game bosses

Opinions?

[hollow shell]

That sounds fun

[round falcon]

dash slash sounds like a fun mechanic

[terse sundial]

i agree

[round falcon]

perhaps true melee spears could also get something like this?

[terse sundial]

well, true melee spears are true melee weapons*

[round falcon]

i know, it just isn't a swing so i wanted to specify

so a dash slash/stab (shortswords/spears) for true melee

[ivory heart]

Forceblade
A True Melee broadsword with a slow use time, but it deals hefty amounts of damage. Right-clicking on an enemy within a 10-tile radius that can be reached teleports your character to the location and deals 1.2x damage. However, you have a cool down between right-clicking. Using the right-click attack inflicts Chaos State for 5 seconds, just shorter than the cooldown. Also, you cannot attack enemies that are blocked by blocks with the right-click attack, and the teleportation and Chaos State will not happen.

[hollow shell]

Why have both Chaos State and a cooldown?

One of either is enough.

[pliant bone]

I would rather have chaos state inflicted since you can effectively have 2 rods this way if the other option is picked

[quiet abyss]

SCal is already hard enough as she is

Why are you suggesting to give her instant kill attacks?

[dense girder]

"instant death ray"
no

[neon birch]

yikes

[ashen warren]

my initial plan is that attack destroy all blocks except arena blocks

i inspired from a natural phenomenon in universe

[quiet abyss]

My question is why
SCal’s fight is pretty much complete as it is after brothers rework and doesn’t need any more changes

[hollow shell]

If you're trolling I suggest you stop
If you're not trolling I suggest you get better ideas

[quiet abyss]

^

[ashen warren]

i am serious

[hollow shell]

Alright, so
Instant death that bypasses revives is a no

and any form of enemy block destruction is a no

[quiet abyss]

Her final bullet hell is already hard enough as it is

And replacing the final bh with nothing but random instant death rays aint a good idea either

[neon birch]

just make it impossible except for having good luck

ez

[quiet abyss]

Be serious here, this is suggestions channel

[ashen warren]

and i forgot to add,and this ordeal would happen after killing 75 times SCal

[neon birch]

sorry i was just explaining what i basically saw it as

[hollow shell]

Make the player roll a physical D20 and send a picture to Fabsol and he decides whether or not the number you rolled lets you beat the fight

[lofty blade]

What would be the point of adding it, especially if it only happens after that many scal kills which almost never happens

[dense girder]

[ashen warren]

because at that point battling True Calamitas is boring

[hollow shell]

turn on Armageddon

boom

[quiet abyss]

^

[ashen warren]

makes farming SCal nearly impossible

[hollow shell]

For what, Apoth&Friends?

[quiet abyss]

After you defeat scal once by then you’ll be able to craft some dev weapons to making killing scal faster
She’ll just still be a bit tough due to her bh phases

[bitter drift]

you know Armageddon mode exist right?

[hollow shell]

Also, Calamity yoyos don't work with the Yoyo Glove/Bag?

[bitter drift]

yes with one of the 2

[hollow shell]

That seems like a pretty major thing

you sure it's not just on your end?

[bitter drift]

you can go into a world get the yo-yo bag and play with any calamity yo-yo (there is a chance that it will work on the sunken sea yo-yo) and it won't work

i saw that while playing with the yinyo and simespark

[hollow shell]

ok but how are you sure it's not just you?

[bitter drift]

wdym

[hollow shell]

Does this happen with anybody else?

[bitter drift]

idk it's just happen to me and i though that was stupide

[frail mantle]

iirc Fab once said himself that having instakill attacks, unless it's something like punishing the player for trying to cheat or something that's prefaced with a very clear buildup, is usually bad design

giving an already hard boss a random chance to instakill you doesn't sound like good design

[bitter drift]

also in the crafting mod (the one that is basically a better guide) the only yo-yo from calamity that is counted as a yo-yo is the sunken sea yo-yo

the rest are counted as just melee weapons

[hollow shell]

hm

[bitter drift]

did it work for you?

[hollow shell]

I didn't check, sorry

I'll
investigate

[bitter drift]

ok @ me when you are done

[hollow shell]

I looked in the source and yep Whirlpool has a line of code that appears to put it in a yoyo item set, a line that no other yoyo files have
It also has an entirely different useStyle value from the rest of them. I don't know if it appears to function any differently as a yoyo compared to the others, though

Pretty sure Whirlpool was programmed by somebody other than Fabsol (Phupper, probably?), which would explain why there's differences

[bitter drift]

you can just get into a game and using the whirlpool with the yo-yo bag

[quiet abyss]

Iirc Turq programmed it

[hollow shell]

was either Turq or Phup

[bitter drift]

thanks for the info

[quiet abyss]

Well, either way, it’s not Fabsol for sure

[bitter drift]

idk what idiocy it is, a yo-yo that isn't counted as a yo-yo

[hollow shell]

Reason why I thought it was so unlikely is because I'm sure somebody would've noticed by now
It's nowhere on the bugs doc and there's been several conversations talking about how Yoyo Bag is stupidly powerful

[bitter drift]

now that i think of it you are right
i almost destroyed the destroyer with 1 shimespark

what will happen with 2

also do you think we should make more yo-yo accessory

because there is non (except the yoyo bag)

[hollow shell]

eh, maybe

If you can come up with a creative enough idea, sure

[bitter drift]

i have one

if you are out of the arena you are already ded

[neon birch]

wait u can cheese scal?

lmao

[bitter drift]

no

if you are out of the arena you are ded

[neon birch]

oh

[bitter drift]

the damage is too much to handle

[neon birch]

how much]

[bitter drift]

a lot more then normal

if you are a god then you will probably won't get hit but who is

how do you type marsian again?

[neon birch]

martian

[bitter drift]

ok

[gloomy hazel]

You CAN cheese her, you don't instantly die but there's chances that SCal will fire you projectiles from all across the map. I've tried it once and the projectiles are dead accurate if you stand still, some can also travel so fast that they just phase through you without dealing damages

[dense girder]

I like the idea of yoyo string actually doing damage too a lot :o

but how does the string "move at a certain speed"?

[bitter drift]

when you move the yo-yo the string move with it

right?

[dense girder]

well yeah but it can't really move very fast

[bitter drift]

ah wait i got the problem

[dense girder]

i don't think that could be programmed anyways

the string is just a visual thing iirc

they'd need to make it an entity or smn

[bitter drift]

aren't platforms act the same more or less?

[dense girder]

i don't think so lol

platforms are an actual block, and I'm [ guessing ] that the range of a yo-yo is simply a predefined number of blocks, the yoyo is the only real entity that follows your cursor and the string is simply a visual add-on that shows how far your yoyo has gone, I believe

things like the white string [ probably ] only increase the predefined range, not actually make the string longer, the string changes with the range

[bitter drift]

maybe so what can i replace it with

[hollow idol]

"how does a metal chain can act like a yo-yo string"

intentional?

[bitter drift]

[fickle spruce]

yuh read the rest of it

grammar is nonexistent

[bitter drift]

is the way the accessories act can be done? or is this imposable?

[frail mantle]

i'm not sure but it could be possible by creating a chain of projectiles between the yoyo projectile and the player

[bitter drift]

or a single projectile that cover the chain

[radiant meadow]

usually with Calamity yoyos and yoyo bag on later end yoyos, I see 2 counterweights but the 2nd yoyo seems to hug the 1st yoyo rather than circle it like vanilla yoyos

[bitter drift]

here is another suggestion of mine
make calamity yo-yos count as yo-yos
right now they aren't meaning the yo-yo glove doesn't work on them.

[radiant meadow]

the yoyo glove works, it just doesn't work as intended by vanilla

a 2nd yoyo comes out, it just doesn't circle like vanilla yoyos

it will increase your dps

[bitter drift]

good joke nothing comes out with the yo-yo glove

[frail mantle]

the second yoyo does come out, it just seems to stay on the same spot as the main one

[smoky wagon]

Yoyo glove works with every calamity yoyo pretty sure?

Can you actually test instead of spitting out low-effort suggestions

[zenith hazel]

“when at a certain speed”
yoyos have speed?

[smoky wagon]

They have a fixed travel speed

for each yoyo

atleast calamity ones do

[zenith hazel]

ok but would that be worth using over a yoyo bag?

[gaunt gazelle]

use it with the yoyo bag smh

also i already suggested an accesory that makes the string deal damage

[ivory heart]

Give SCal a lot of negative defense and negative damage reduction at the end of the fight
Also remove the brimstone monsters once they get off screen at this point

[gaunt gazelle]

making scal easier

[radiant meadow]

@bitter drift I just tested riptide, cnidarian, quagmire, verdant, lacerator, and oblivion
all of them summon 2 yoyos and 2 counterweights when used with yoyo bag

there's no point to your first yoyo suggestion as there's nothing to fix

in fact, it's pretty easy to tell with the oracle that it's working fine https://gyazo.com/42ea681cd3d8f34ffc968be9af4909e7

twice the counterweights, twice the yoyos, twice the orbs

[bitter drift]

i used the yingyo and the shimespark and it didn't work

[zenith hazel]

but...

[terse sundial]

Shimmerspark works 100%, Yingyo is hard to spot but it does work also

[bitter drift]

then why do i get only 1 yo-yo in both weapons

[queen sail]

Because you’re not seeing it

Also about that yoyo speed accessory, no

Yoyos get fucky if you increase their speed

Also I don’t think anybody can make the string do anything

[bitter drift]

it doesn't increase their speed

go read the full sentence

[queen sail]

“if the yo-yo is fast enough (up to the dev to place speed) the string will also do damage,add a little more range to a yo-yo.”

An accessory that functions on increasing a yoyo’s speed won’t work

Because yoyos break if their speed is too high

[bitter drift]

if the yo-yo is fast enough
isn't the speed of the yo-yo changes depends on how you move it
or is it the same speed all the time?

[placid moth]

the string also do damage

kill me.

[queen sail]

Also like I said

I’n pretty sure nobody can do anything about yoyo strings

[placid moth]

can you imagine the tension in the string hurting someone

[queen sail]

It’s just there to make it look like a yoyo

[bitter drift]

I DON'T INCREACE THE YO-YO'S SPEED

[queen sail]

No but your accessory focuses on it

You’re missing the point

[placid moth]

what do you mean by speed in the first place

[queen sail]

Your accessory functions when a yoyo’s speed is high

[distant gyro]

yoyo speed = range

[queen sail]

If your melee speed is too high, the yoyo breaks

[distant gyro]

that's why overclocking melee speed = broken yoyo in the first place

the more melee speed, the more range

[placid moth]

why is everyone so bloody obsessed with yoyos now

[ashen warren]

Bc yoyo is shit

[queen sail]

If it’s too high, the yoyo goes everywhere until it despawns

[placid moth]

leave it, it's a subclass that's never meant to be touched

[mystic sandal]

Made with 30 Iran chains

Ah yes, those Iran chains

[distant gyro]

[placid moth]

Iran chains

what

[bitter drift]

how do i explain it to you
i don't change any speed values in the yo-yos what i do is put: if a yo-yo move at a certain speed (that it can already move) it will do damage

sorry for the typo

[queen sail]

And you’re still ignoring my point

[mystic sandal]

How does a metal chain can act

[placid moth]

I actually never had yoyos glitch out because its melee speed is too high

Has that ever happened ?

[distant gyro]

it has been fixed since

[queen sail]

We have literally just told you that your accessory doesn’t work because it functions based on a yoyo’s speed

Only for calamity yoyos iirc

[distant gyro]

50% melee speed is now the melee speed cap

[queen sail]

Yoyos do break if your melee speed is high as fuck

[distant gyro]

which prevents yoyos going broken

yea but there's literally a hardcap preventing you reaching said amount of melee speed

unless you use other mods to bypass it

[placid moth]

I'd just scrap the entire string idea ngl

[bitter drift]

I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT CHANGING ANY SPEED VALUS I'M TALKING ABOUT PUTTING FROM THE SPEED THE YO-YOS ALREADY HAVE A LINE WHEN IT'S START TO DO SOMETHING
it's like saying is a weapon does X DPS it will start to do something

[placid moth]

Maybe it just gives more range

[queen sail]

Adir you have ignored my point like

Thrice

[distant gyro]

you're just adding a variable then @bitter drift

which is a hell to code

[queen sail]

We already know that you’re not adjusting the yoyo speed

[distant gyro]

probably, most likely not accepted

[queen sail]

Your accessory functions in relation to the yoyo’s speed

[bitter drift]

yes it is

what should i put it in them it's damage output?

[queen sail]

Increasing a yoyo’s speed too much ends up breaking it

[bitter drift]

but you keep saying the same wrong thing

[zenith hazel]

that’s why there’s a melee speed cap iirc

[queen sail]

So your accessory wouldn’t work out in the end since high speed yoyos spasm out of existence

[distant gyro]

you also missed the point of "The player's melee speed bonus is hard-capped at 50%. Any amount exceeding the cap will not increase the player's melee speed bonus."

[queen sail]

You also missed the point that other mod yoyos exist

And that this only applies to calamity

[bitter drift]

i'm not increasing/decreasing any stat

[distant gyro]

when's the last time you have this broken yoyo

probably before the hardcap

[queen sail]

Let’s see

The SoA endgame yoyos

Cookie of the Gods

[bitter drift]

can someone please tell me what is the cap on the speed of the yo-yo?

[queen sail]

Pretty sure I had a Terrarian spasm out on me

[terse sundial]

50% increase to a total of 150%

[bitter drift]

just to make it more simple for u

[terse sundial]

same as all melee weapons

[bitter drift]

i mean in kilometers per hour

[zenith hazel]

huh?

[distant gyro]

@queen sail

1. hardcap applies universally, so melee speed will always cap at +50% no matter the gear
2. why are you putting other mods in here when all that really matters in a suggestion is calamity
3. I think what adir meant in the first place is to create a new variable for the yoyo which affects its velocity; which is a no-no to code afaik and I already told that point

[bitter drift]

1. ok
2. idk what you are talking about?
3. yes

[zenith hazel]

I'm sorry, kilometers per hour?

[placid moth]

kilometres/hour ?

you mean pixels ?

[terse sundial]

yoyos may use sspeed/velocity but I'm not sure if it's used

yoyos have a deploy time but it's all the same except for certain Calamity yoyos

[distant gyro]

sorry, it wasn't directed at ya adir--

[bitter drift]

isn't your movement speed measured by KPH?

[terse sundial]

yoyos don't have a set movement speed

[bitter drift]

so they don't good

[zenith hazel]

isn't in mph?

[distant gyro]

do the velocity of yoyo ever change?

[bitter drift]

ah sorry them mph

[terse sundial]

lemme see

[bitter drift]

isn't velocity changes their range

or is it a different stat

[distant gyro]

velocity = how fast the yoyo is moving

range = how far the yoyo reaches; which is affected by melee speed

[bitter drift]

i think you are confusing it with another stat
velocity is a ranger/ rogue stat

i never saw it on a melee weapon

[zenith hazel]

why does the "movement speed" of a yoyo matter?

were it to be a thing

[distant gyro]

projectile speed can apply to the terra blade for instance

[zenith hazel]

that'd complicate the problem

[distant gyro]

iirc

[smoky wagon]

velocity applies to all projectiles

Iike yoyos

Yoyos have a fixed velocity, with some in calamity having higher than usual

[distant gyro]

I don't think projectile speed = faster movement yoyo though

[smoky wagon]

then what does

[distant gyro]

yea that's what I thought

[smoky wagon]

its not melee speed

melee speed determines yoyo range

[terse sundial]

Melee speed only determines how far a yoyo travels

[distant gyro]

He's basically suggesting to make a new variable

[smoky wagon]

how is stuff like the solar flare coded to be faster than other yoyos

[terse sundial]

good question

[queen delta]

A new variable? That certainly is easy to make

[smoky wagon]

[bitter drift]

when it reaches a certain speed the string start doing damage
but the speed stat doesn't increase or decrease in it's max it's just on how fast the yo-yo is currently moving

[smoky wagon]

So the cursor speed?

[queen delta]

Can definitely squeeze a new one in the world of redcode

[smoky wagon]

like flinging your cursor around means the effect is activated

[terse sundial]

Not about movement speed, it's about melee speed

[distant gyro]

cursor speed is just your sensitivity smh

[terse sundial]

redcode is weird

[bitter drift]

no the yo-yo is following the cursor but they both have their own speed

[terse sundial]

Melee speed has two properties in yoyos it would seem

[smoky wagon]

yoyos dont really accelerate that much

they gain max speed quickly

[terse sundial]

it affects deploytime but not really

[bitter drift]

if you look at a yo-yo like the amazon and you move the cursor really fast it will take time for the amazon to get to your cursor again

[smoky wagon]

Yes because the max speed for yoyos is slower than a cursor

[terse sundial]

That's just deploy time

[bitter drift]

no you can do it when it is already out

[terse sundial]

Amazon is very much lower then many late-game weps

Yoyos are a mess

[queen delta]

Im surprised redcode was able to pull that off

[bitter drift]

so let's say the excel taken to damage with the string is 135%

[smoky wagon]

yoyos being forced to be balanced around the yoyo bag is awful ngl

[bitter drift]

it won't be like adding new speed to the yo-yo

[smoky wagon]

i wish the yoyo bag could be removed and the yoyos could just be buffed

adding more accessories isnt the solution

[terse sundial]

Yoyo Bag isn't even balanced in the beginning

[distant gyro]

yea I think we can't really do anything too cool for yoyos because redcode

[bitter drift]

[zenith hazel]

if anything, I think a yoyo bag upgrade would be better

anything to make obliterator "viable"

[queen delta]

Obshiterator seems to be a lost cause since apparently theres no major buffs planned for it

[smoky wagon]

we dont need more accessories for a subclass

[bitter drift]

but wot you can upgrade it on?

[terse sundial]

yoyo bag shouldn't get upgraded

[queen delta]

I doubt even a yoyo overhaul would make it strong enough

[zenith hazel]

well damn

[terse sundial]

It's already broken to begin with

[distant gyro]

if yoyo bag gets a buff/upgrade oracle will ascend past 300k dps

[bitter drift]

it's sad to
i love using yo-yos against bosses

[queen delta]

And obliteratot will ascend past 10k dps

[terse sundial]

Obliterator Buff may be likely at some point, but I believe it just to be better to have a new darksun yoyo or something

only time will tell though

[smoky wagon]

The problem with obliterator is that even compared to the other DoG drops it is weak

not even great for buffed moons

[bitter drift]

maybe i should just delete this suggestion and make a dark sun yo-yo instead

[terse sundial]

many have been made before

[queen delta]

Obliterator isnt great for literally everything

[bitter drift]

that isn't actually that connected to the dark sun wot do you think?

[queen delta]

Ive seen a lot of darksun yoyos suggested

[bitter drift]

me to

[queen delta]

Yours would just add to the void its being tossed into

[zenith hazel]

Thomas 👀

[queen delta]

Ping him?

[bitter drift]

maybe we can use the materials we get after DoG for a good yo-yo

let's forget about the dark sun

[zenith hazel]

maybe the ultimate moon yo-yo

luminite bars + nightmare fuel + endothermic energy

but eh

[distant gyro]

add exodium in the mix as well

ultimate cosmic yoyo

[zenith hazel]

"probably" blood orbs

[hexed fog]

We got a Pre-Scal Flail

Now we need 2 things

[smoky wagon]

no more exo melees

[hexed fog]

1. Pre-Scal Spear
2. Endgame Flail

[smoky wagon]

no

[hexed fog]

Also Pre-Scal Gun

[smoky wagon]

yes to that

[zenith hazel]

exo gun is a no-no

[distant gyro]

pre-scal spear = infernal spear

[zenith hazel]

in suggestions I mean

probably a donor weapon

[smoky wagon]

Yeah exo weps arent allowed for suggs

[distant gyro]

yea new exo-weps are all from donors

oracle and pow

[zenith hazel]

onyxia vs scal for true brain levels

[smoky wagon]

im guessing someone will ask for exo gun

didnt someone ask for a darksun yoyo anyway

[distant gyro]

drat and ataraxia are excluded because they aren't exo but also same tier

[bitter drift]

should i delete the string suggestion?

[zenith hazel]

technically drat counts

[distant gyro]

basically all new weapons in that tier are all donos

[terse sundial]

i'd just leave it Adir

[zenith hazel]

it is made from auric ore anyway

I'd consider them auric weapons

[hexed fog]

Drat is a reward for some youtuber beating every boss with the blossom flux, right?

[distant gyro]

syg yea

also he beat boss rush

[smoky wagon]

boss rush

[hexed fog]

Sick

Does with the Malachite

[terse sundial]

Syg is a legend

[smoky wagon]

this was after scaling was removed i think

[distant gyro]

yep

52 minute providence BR fight

[hexed fog]

I've beaten Providence with the Malachite before, stopped after that.

[queen delta]

No one is a legend till they do defiled no bias

But yeah as soon as i noticed he was gonna fight provi for 52 minutes, i knew i was looking at something impressive

[bitter drift]

what places yo-yos need help in anyway?

[queen delta]

20 million health VS a post-plant weapon

[distant gyro]

mechs, clone, ml, provi, yharon

[hexed fog]

Malachite vs Providence is surprisingly not that difficult, just time consuming

[smoky wagon]

idt yoyos are good post-plant either

[tired haven]

Malachite is quite viable for prov as rogue

I tested

[hexed fog]

^^

[distant gyro]

crab you used malashite on signus

that's a sin iirc

[tired haven]

I didn't, I just tried

[distant gyro]

[tired haven]

Had to use axes like a lazy ass

[queen delta]

is what u saying?

[tired haven]

Yes

[distant gyro]

well, you put the effort in trying

[tired haven]

Did I tho?

[smoky wagon]

dies once

yep we are done

[queen delta]

Basically

tries early-hardmode summoner against Duke
fight lasts 8 minutes before finally dying
oh well this challenge was impossible anyways

[hexed fog]

ok but legendary summoner weapon when

[tired haven]

never because every dev hates summon ai

[queen delta]

when it isnt so painful to code

tbh just give same AI to other weapons

[smoky wagon]

just pay them money to put in a new summon

[bitter drift]

empyreus i tried

[tired haven]

that's what I keep implying

[smoky wagon]

patreon is just bribing

[queen delta]

why put in effort to make a new AI when you can reuse it?

[bitter drift]

[zenith hazel]

again, very splatoon-y, I love it

same thing I said last time

[mystic sandal]

quite epic

[bitter drift]

lol i'll star

but forget hurt how does this ink burns to act like a flamethrower?

[mystic sandal]

i mean this is a game where a sword made of cats is stronger than a sword that summons stars from the heavens to smite their foes so yeah

[jagged halo]

They have rainbows

So it makes sense

[bitter drift]

lol

[tired haven]

How does shadethrower burn?

:magik:

[smoky wagon]

overloaded blaster

[bitter drift]

also what do you think of this yo-yo suggestion (yes i'm throwing all i got)

crippling depression.
gotten by: killing a despair stone after killing the brimstone elemental. (7% chance)
what it does?: it have actions coming from more then one yo-yo: in resemblance to the god's gambit it drips down lava, but this lava is actually harming the enemy as well as burning them (gives the burning debuff) and like the chaotrix it explode, but unlike the Chaotrix it will explode when enemies are close to it and only if it touches block\platforms (resembling the AI of the enemy dropping it)

[mystic sandal]

15%?

[smoky wagon]

the name needs some work

[mystic sandal]

that's far too likely

[bitter drift]

why?

[mystic sandal]

maybe 5% or 1%

[bitter drift]

not you

[mystic sandal]

also you need to add a reason why

[smoky wagon]

if you have to ask me why that name is meh then im not sure what to say

also its too complicated

[bitter drift]

wot

[smoky wagon]

“Only if blocks/platforms are nearby”

sounds tedious to code

[bitter drift]

THIS ISN'T THE NAME AT ALL

[smoky wagon]

[bitter drift]

[mystic sandal]

taking into account how much coding is required for something is important

for example

the inkthrower would be not as hard to implement as a new summon weapon

summon weapons require more code

[bitter drift]

the inkthrower would be not as hard to implement as a new summon weapon
isn't that a flamethrower?

[mystic sandal]

yes

that's the point

take into account what type of weapon your suggestion is, how it works, and what's special about it

[bitter drift]

as a summon weapon

[mystic sandal]

thing is though

[bitter drift]

this one is really just a combanation of other yo-yos

[mystic sandal]

there's already a sprite for the calamari

and having the sprite stay stationary firing black bullets isn't hard to code at all

[bitter drift]

should i just get rid of that other part

of exploding only near blocks

[mystic sandal]

yeah there's really nothing like it in the game

and having unique suggestions is good

but make sure that it's not hard to code

[bitter drift]

i didn't wanted it to be just a combination of 2 yo-yos

[mystic sandal]

then you can add something else

for example

[terse sundial]

@copper flame If you are suggesting your suggestion a 3rd time it may not be worth suggesting again.

[bitter drift]

why are you talking to the mod?

[mystic sandal]

when it hits an enemy, it has a 10% chance to summon a miniature despair stone to roll into your enemies once before disappearing

the despair stone is already coded

just make the damage go on your side and it's done

plus sizing down the sprite a bit

[bitter drift]

that is kind of like my rogue unicorn suggestion

in a doc before you ask

[mystic sandal]

i've literally never seen that suggestion

[bitter drift]

give you the doc?

i reposted it not to long ago

with some help from god of ded memes

[mystic sandal]

it's relaly not like it

the unicorn isn't anything like the actual mob

it's just another projectile really

[bitter drift]

this one have chance ya
and the thing summoning it is a throwable not a yo-yo but there are a lot of similarities

[radiant meadow]

@copper flame no need to resuggest, it was already sent

[elder kestrel]

adir didn't you already suggest a sword called crippling depression

[bitter drift]

no

[elder kestrel]

which was an upgrade to the tear jerker

oh?

[bitter drift]

no i never heard of that weapon

is the tear jerker the sword of EoC?

idk the name

[mystic sandal]

that's the teardrop cleaver

[bitter drift]

then what is the tear jerker

[tired haven]

It was the MischiefProLion7500/JasonChris who suggested crippling depression

[radiant meadow]

@mystic sandal yours was also already sent, no need to resuggest

the inkthrower

[mystic sandal]

oh ok

sorry about that

[radiant meadow]

@bitter drift specifically what yoyos don't work?
as Merk said Shimmerspark and Yin-yo work correctly with yoyo bag

unless you can provide specific examples that we can replicate, I'm going to remove the suggestion as it doesn't provide anything

[bitter drift]

then why i never saw a 2nd yo-yo

[radiant meadow]

because it likes to hide on top of the first one

if you look closely, when you hit an enemy, a 2nd yoyo comes out and then hugs the 1st one

unlike vanilla yoyos, Calamity yoyos with the yoyo glove do not have the 2nd yoyo circle the 1st one, instead both attempt to lock onto the cursor

[bitter drift]

ok

[radiant meadow]

moreover, next time report bugs in #bugs-read-pins instead of #suggestions-voting

[mystic sandal]

is the stardust dragon staff already used in a crafting recipe?

[bitter drift]

i don't think so

here what do you think now?

crippling depression.
gotten by: killing a despair stone after killing the brimstone elemental. (7% chance)
what it does?: when the yo-yo hits an enemy it will have a chance (up to the dev to decide the %) that a small despair stone will be summoned,
these despair stone will fly/bounce to one direction while exploding every half a second before disappearing after some time.

[mystic sandal]

[bitter drift]

better?

[mystic sandal]

yeah

also what do you guys think of this
Staff of the Frost Dragon
The Staff of the Frost Dragon is a post-Moon Lord upgrade to the Staff of the Frost Hydra that is craftable with a Stardust Dragon Staff, the Staff of the Frost Hydra, 5 Luminite Bars, and a Frost Core. When used, it summons a frozen Stardust Dragon that can charge into enemies and occasionally shoots the projectiles of the Staff of the Frost Hydra. It can grow in segments every time you summon it. But, if you right click, you can summon a stronger version of the Staff of the Frost Hydra, which shoots light blue stardust bolts similar to the Frost Hydra.
Why: I feel that the Staff of the Frost Hydra should get an upgrade as it's easily outclassed by other sentries available at the point it is.