most people dont check the pins in the first place..
#suggestions-discussion
civic pond
empty inlet
i would much rather blame their inability to read the rules
empty inlet
again, they only have themselves to blame
hollow shell
Ye
elfin maple
ok
radiant meadow
unpinned
hollow shell
Thank you sir
unique vector
@ashen trout do you mind explaining what your suggestion does?
ashen trout
im editing it 1 sec it was an accident
elfin maple
i'd assume it lets you store masks
unique vector
ah ye
ashen trout
it dont
elfin maple
can you clean it up a bit?
foggy kindle
Oh come on, at the point you get Calamitous Essence you probably have enough mat to craft a bunch of EoD
civic pond
point taken
foggy kindle
In fact... that's why I made that suggestion lol, too many blighted lens in my chest, and they don't have any other things to do (beside selling them)
civic pond
blighted sunglasses when
ivory heart
Photostaff
Crafted using 5 Lens, 3 Blighted Lens, 1 Black Lens, 5 Diamond, and a Torch.
Fires a thin laser that slowly drains your mana. Ignores invincibility frames, pierces, and burns enemies with intense heat and light.
zenith hazel
so a hardmode last prism?
frank stratus
not exactly hmm
i was thinking of like, some sort of ray
specifically like when you focus light with a magnifying glass but also with the properties of coc and cr's inferno tower, where the longer the beam is hitting an enemy, the higher and higher it deals damage
opaque grail
so.... last prism
Focus light
some sort of ray
the longer the beam is hitting an enemy, the higher and higher it deals damage
foggy kindle
Basically
lost agate
@queen delta i dont think thats really a good reason, because ofc the attacks are always near your range, they either spawn based on your location or are homing projectiles
And idk if despawn distance is something that can be edited
queen delta
well, scal doesnt despawn no matter the distance, yharon p1 cant either, but p2 can despawn if you're too far
frank stratus
although that's just forcing the boss to not despawn at all
you probably wouldn't want that with ravager
lost agate
Then its either no despawn or that range of despawn
frank stratus
yeah
personally i wouldn't care if it didn't despawn i just don't want it to just jump and disappear during a battle
lost agate
Which kinda screws with how ravager despawns
frank stratus
oh
lost agate
He plummets down and despawns after a certain distance
frank stratus
right, it makes it easy to cheese
lost agate
It makes him unable to despawn when you die rather
Either he starts falling non stop or he doenst despawn at all
frank stratus
maybe letting it despawn when you die but if you're alive it doesn't despawn? hm
lost agate
Idk if that would screw with the ai
lost agate
I mean, pbg doesnt have a forced despawn when you die because it screws with ai
So ravager could potentially be the same
frank stratus
o
queen delta
has fab said anything about why ravager despawns so easily?
lost agate
Because thats the normal despawn distance
queen delta
so whats the difference between providence, which seems to not despawn no matter the distance, unless you're dead, and pbg, that despawns after some distance, but doesnt despawn on death?
quiet abyss
Ravager isn’t the most mobile of bosses, even when it starts jumping twice as rapidly
For players who move around a lot, especially moving upwards, it’s why ravager feels like he despawns so easily
lost agate
Its not that he doesnt despawn on death
queen delta
I'm just saying it could be increased, not made infinite
His despawn distance seems too short imo
lost agate
You sure thats something that can be done?
queen delta
I dunno, but i might as well suggest it
lost agate
And no, provi and pbg have two different despawn methods
queen delta
but how are they made tho?
lost agate
Provi basically enables despawning when you are dead, pbg only despawns if hes offscreen and you were a certain amount of time outside the jungle- LEMME FINISH LMAO
lost agate
You can literally see when im typing
quiet abyss
Teenagers these days have no patience to wait for someone to finish speaking/typing smh 
queen delta
I aint an impatient teenager :c
quiet abyss
That means you’re a teenager in adult’s body then 
...All jokes aside, back to the topic
proven tide
@mystic sandal scal drops are dev items only
mystic sandal
oh
proven tide
except calamitous essence, which is a grey zone
ashen trout
ye and that would be a pain in the buttex to get
but you can make it worst and make it drop from calamitas
mystic sandal
how about this item
you have to beat supreme calamitas without getting hit on deathmode with the iron heart and defiled rune
and it has a 0.1% drop rate
you also have to defeat her with the tin broadsword
foggy kindle
Might as well skip it entirely
foggy kindle
I'd rather play hard for the LUL than farming for that item
Cuz at least the LUL gives you godmode
quiet abyss
The iron heart and defiled rune part already sounds too unreasonable
mystic sandal
i was being sarcastic
ashen trout
ik
quiet abyss
...In a channel where you shouldn’t be?
ashen trout
maybe you can make it a craftable item instead with shadowspec and some other stuff
foggy kindle
Shadowspec is reserved for dev items tho
queen delta
@spiral olive Maybe just give them the DoG treatment (Meaning their segments wont be able to be hurt until they leave the "bundle of segments")
queen delta
I already said it in the other server, but I may as well include it here in case you didnt' see the first one
spiral olive
ye i saw, i still see it to be pointless since they're only tier one bosses, they should die pretty quickly
queen delta
While yes, most tier 1 bosses can be melted, EoW and destroyer could still lag if you attack the bundle of segments, so it'd be best to let both get the DoG treatment.
Even with the DoG treatment, they can still be melted very quickly anyways
spiral olive
either way works ye
queen delta
Just removing DR would only shorten the lag, and make the already easy bosses even more melt-able
the DoG treatment would remove most of the lag, as well as making it not too meltable, but still easy
wide patrol
Imagine something with 0 pick power but as fast as possible
For the sake of lumenyl, prism shards, and Crystal shards
queen delta
Thats a good concept, but i wouldnt see it being any useful in game
ashen warren
What is this , Digging claws that mines nothing?? No please
proven tide
selfstar™
zenith hazel
doesn't that ruin the purpose of lore items?
they're supposed to clutter your inventory so you have to plan out which ones to use and which ones not to use
ashen warren
Imagine DS lore on jungle
proven tide
while we're at it have accessories work in vanity slots
zenith hazel
that suggestion has also been suggested a few times
zenith hazel
the lore items in piggy bank I mean
split quiver
a mod does that vanity accesory thing and it's busted
antisocial I think
also them cluttering your inventory is only a problem when exploring because when fighting bosses you're not going to be picking anything up
so it really wouldn't matter much in terms of balance if they worked from piggy bank
pliant bone
Lore items basically force you to manage your inventory 
ashen warren
but like few are useful in a few situations
mental path
honestly losing an inventory slot is too low a price to have such good buffs
queen delta
Yeah lore items dont have enough of an impact for me to worry about them during nohits
pliant bone
I only use like the EoC lore for nohits
queen delta
But yes they should be limited to inventory only
mental path
also, making a chest and filling it with lore items only and only using the ones you need is one way to manage through the inventory if you really have trouble
even if it gets filled, you still have piggy banks/safes to store items
also defender's forge but nobody does ooa xd
split quiver
haha yes
strange trench
Magic Storage practically eliminates any storage problem you'll ever have
amber canopy
ashen warren
imagine DS lore on jungle
strange trench
Go to hell.
worthy fiber
Too harsh?
ashen warren
Nah hes referencing the scal lore
worthy fiber
oh right
split quiver
after scal is literally just boss rush, fill up with 20 pots and you can still fit all the lore items in your inventory
opaque grail
woo nincity you got to 40
golden kayak
What scals lore item does?
zenith hazel
insta kills you when you get hit
golden kayak
Nice one. Even better than Slime God's one.
tired haven
Slime God lore is actually good tho
Bootleg Burder Breaker that works in boss fights
proven tide
might throw it into my runs 
frank stratus
its not exactly that
if you've used frozen slime blocks before its the same
because if you're fighting wof with slime god lore you don't need to have your left hand on the keyboard at all
zenith hazel
unless you want to jump to avoid lasers maybe, idk
frank stratus
no you should be able to outrun them unless wof is at like 10% hp then you'll die anyways
zenith hazel
well yeah
zenith hazel
isn't that just #bugs-read-pins ?
radiant meadow
allowing lore to work from piggybank/safe/forge would cause huge balance issues
worthy fiber
If you really want to talk about bugs you can do it in #calamity-mod-talk or #general-talk @split quiver
opaque grail
the less inv is a very small price for their op buffs
radiant meadow
@golden kayak axe of purity shoots purification powder
it should act the same
golden kayak
@radiant meadow No, it doesn't work the same. I just tried to clean my Crimson desert and ... walls just refused to be normal again, so yeah.
radiant meadow
does purification powder work?
golden kayak
Oh, it is not, sorry, will delete the suggestion. I feel stupid now.
lost agate
Pretty sure the balance point of lore items is exactly cluttering your inventory
Sooooo
delicate raft
smoky wagon
Oh my sugg got 90 stars
sick bane
zenith hazel
mfw a cultist-tier accessory renders most slimes useless
worthy fiber
It's only useful early-game because you don't have to worry about getting hurt by slimes
No reason to need its affects again post-Plantera
opaque grail
^ once I've gotten a decent weapon, say around BoC strength, slimes are nothing but kb (which is negated by obby shield anyways)
lost agate
But then they get mega buffed on HM 
lost agate
Yeah but its still not enough reason to make it expert+
gusty geode
Normal mode doesn't exist anyway
terse sundial
@echo horizon can you add a why to your suggestion?
terse sundial
i'm not sure I follow, why SHOULD it? Amidias' Trident is p decent without its whirlpools and imo does not need a buff
echo horizon
but the fungal symbiote?
Weapons that don't fire projectiles
And should be considered true melee?
terse sundial
Amidais trident isn't considered true meme even when its projectiles are locked afaik
literally yesterday we campaigned for an amidias trident nerf and we got it
radiant meadow
perhaps you should indicate that you are referring to the fungal symbiote
in your suggestion
or reword it to "Make the Amidias' Trident benefit from True melee buffs before defeating Skeletron"
echo horizon
Im romanian so I am not that good at english
ashen warren
What if this was my best suggestion
unique vector
its not a very good suggestion
just because its a boss themed by mushrooms doesnt mean everything mushroom themed should be connected to it
ashen warren
I see your point
unique vector
odd mushroom is sold by the princess because its an item that literally boosts your damage by a fuckton in expense of being able to telegraph attacks
having it early in the game makes little sense
ashen warren
in hardmode
opaque grail
how do u get non summoner weapons to deal less when holding a summon weapon
opaque grail
that means u gotta shoot, have a slow projectile, turn to summon weapon and then hit the opponent
unique vector
having it drop by crabulon in hardmode also makes little sense
ashen warren
do you have to do anything for her to sell it
unique vector
no?
ashen warren
k
royal juniper
Quick question, are we allowed to reiterate previous suggestions? I sent in a suggestion a while ago, it reached a high number of votes, but i do not know if anything came of it.
ashen warren
yeah if it was from a while ago
frail mantle
you can repost suggestions after a week
frank stratus
lol
ashen warren
Its border line a meme suggestion and people like it and thats saying something knowing this server
gusty geode
Imo a meme suggestion isn't by definition a bad suggestion
People may still like it regardless of whether they can take it seriously or not
unique vector
well the man himself said it was a borderline meme one, and now im debating if i should remove it by what he said
@tranquil trench you should probably explain your suggestion a bit more
i.e. why the sfx should be changed
tranquil trench
My bad I press enter not shift + enter
unique vector
aight
ashen warren
I did do some editing on my suggestion
unique vector
pretty sure that you should have just suggested the shroomite part entirely separate from the odd mushroom part
opaque grail
if u dont wanna respawn
unique vector
some people would only want the shroomite one and not the odd mushroom
opaque grail
HC exists
unique vector
fae i think they mean that you don't perma die
but you cant respawn during a boss if its multiplayer
opaque grail
ohhh
oh yeah thats cool
cuz the whole no respawning confused me
I like it if thats what he meant
radiant meadow
isn't there a mod that does that?
royal juniper
Maybe? I havent gone mod searching in a while. And regardless, Calamity is a boss-centered mod, so it wouldnt be much of a stretch if a mechanic like it was implemented.
hollow shell
@royal juniper You suggested that before and it got sent in. Any reason why you suggested it again?
radiant meadow
multiplayer testing is designed with respawning in mind
so bosses may need to be nerfed accordingly
ah yes, it's called "No Boss Fight Respawn"
a small qol mod already exists for it
royal juniper
Oh, i asked if we were allowed to re-post things, and i included that it got a lot of votes. My bad, i just didnt know what happened to it. I dont know how the managment and such works, so i did not know if it got declined or forgotten about or something.
And alright, ill look into it
hollow shell
If your suggestion has a green check on it, that means it got sent
radiant meadow
you can repost something if it hasn't been sent already
and it's been over a week
hollow shell
ye, those are the criteria
(I don't know if that's written anywhere, actually. Even though its a solid rule)
radiant meadow
I don't see it anywhere
should ping Morp to add it to suggestion rules
@sinful violet add criteria for reposts in suggestion rules. (see like 3 messages above for criteria)
sinful violet
Ah
royal juniper
Ah, all I knew was the week part, not the sent in part.
frank stratus
its supposed to remove the slime rain after you defeat king slime
echo horizon
yes
hollow shell
@wooden dragon You should also list how it would function. People prolly won't remember it from 10 days ago
(and, if possible, make that image not so large)
hollow shell
Actually here I did it for you
(and flipped to to be facing the direction of Terraria guns)
wooden dragon
ok thx
hollow shell
(You can just repost the suggestion with that image considering nobody's starred it yet)
(ye)
wooden dragon
i did thx for helping me ^^
gusty geode
Saw that suggestion that, from what I can tell, wants to make Slime Rains stop happening after KS is killed
I don't see what a few Slimes are gonna do other than inconvenience you
If it's that big a deal just have a minion active to kill them for you
smoky wagon
slimes knock you around if you haven't gotten a cobalt shield yet
gusty geode
Easy way to avoid them is to build the top layer of your arena first and work your way down
They can't jump down platforms afaik so they can't get to you
still not a big deal if they do catch you, just a few seconds lost in exchange for free gel/money, but whatever
gusty geode
Just making sure you know that getting in your way and annoying you is the whole reason enemies exist at all, right
gusty geode
Higher spawn rate of slimes, big deal
If you can't build your arena under those conditions, go do something else to help with your progression
Grind for materials or other weapons, go exploring, maybe even build a different arena underground somewhere
There isn't a set order you've gotta do things in
echo horizon
its not higher spawn rate
smoky wagon
if im building an arena i have done everything else and i want to fight a boss
also you clearly do not understand slime rain
it ignores stuff like npc houses and zen potion
you cant avoid them
echo horizon
i dont even have acces to zen
gusty geode
That trick I mentioned before should fix it
Build the top of the arena first so they can't jump down at you
echo horizon
it doesnt work
gusty geode
How so?
echo horizon
they just go under
gusty geode
Shouldn't be able to do that afaik
Last I checked they can't jump down platforms, so unless they're placed so close together that they can jump up, which from what I've been told is bad arena design, you should be largely ok
echo horizon
but slime rain is anyways annoying
gusty geode
Still plenty of ways to work around it
Another of which is being patient and doing what you wanted to do when it ends
May not seem worth it but it's still free resources, surely you can wait a few minutes
echo horizon
it doesnt end soo fast
gusty geode
Longest I've seen is one in-game day
frail mantle
tbh the worst part of the slime rain is that it's not affected by things like Zen Pot
echo horizon
yea
full bramble
draedon, yharim, goozma, and xeroc are all planned bosses
humble cobalt
I'm aware that Yharim is already planned to be a boss, I just thought it would be intersting if Yharim's fight were to be like how i described it.
full bramble
the latter two gonna be SUPERbosses
foggy kindle
So Yharim isn't a superboss... How interesting
tight gorge
That would be near impossible to code
humble cobalt
Yeah i know... Which kinda sucks
frail mantle
i'm not sure whether or not suggestions about how upcoming bosses could work are allowed
tight gorge
Scratch the near part, it is impossible
humble cobalt
lol
full bramble
also read the pins
suggestion DON'Ts says you DON'T suggest future content that isn't implemented
fresh harbor
It's the little 📌 symbol on the top right of your screen
If you're on mobile, it's three dots
opaque grail
I love the way the Heavenfallen Stardisk attacks, it's a unique attack pattern that I've only ever seen in 1 other game, Roguelands.
The gauntlets in general shoot like that, but they go through walls (like most projectiles) and its random what position they start off in
Airsplitter
-Magic damage
-Fires 3 projectiles
-Projectiles will move to a random spot around you (same radius as stardisk) before shooting towards the mouse
-Pierces up to 2 times to a total of 3 hits (per shot)
-Goes through walls
-Possibly post-ML
-Cannot crit
I am not at all experienced enough to balance its damage or range or actual stats, so I just want to ask how something like this would be balanced
hollow shell
Well you're not supposed to give exact stats in suggestions
The concept is more important than the balance you give
Leave that to the testers, if it's to be implemented
bitter drift
is anyone thinking of new content for the hallow or just me? (if you can't tell i HATE the amount of attention this biome got from calamity AKA NON)
bitter drift
wot?
bitter drift
what is your new content?
elfin maple
oh not that
bitter drift
ah 😦
elfin maple
i was agreeing with sors about the balance thing
bitter drift
me too i also agree
opaque grail
should I suggest this idea or something like it?
elfin maple
oh no my compueter
hollow shell
(Also that weapon is kinda similar to Sky Fracture, ain't it?)
opaque grail
Sky fracture shoots 3 projectiles, the idea of this is that it shoots like random skydisks and goes through walls, like the original
bitter drift
funny how my computer is better then his and i can't keep a discord stream and a game open at the same timeXD
hollow shell
Well like
Sky Fracture also summons 3 projectiles at random positions around you that go towards the mouse
this is just that except it shows the projectiles move to their positions before firing, giving it more of a delay
Going through walls is indeed a difference though
opaque grail
lemme see what the sky fracture is like, ive only used it once years ago
elfin maple
i like the sky fracture
opaque grail
Oh yeah I remembered them summoning inside you
elfin maple
it's a cool weapon
frank stratus
sky fracture is good tbf
opaque grail
I like it
frank stratus
yeah
opaque grail
lemme see if I can find/record a gif of what the airsplitter shoots like in the original game
frank stratus
the calamity upgrade to it is good too...i think its from calamity
or was it vanilla 
i haven't used it in years
opaque grail
I dont remember a vanilla sky fracture upgrade
terse sundial
infernal rift and ultra liquidator are both calamity upgrades
bitter drift
don't you combine it with the golden shower at some point?
terse sundial
thats for the ultra liquidator yes
bitter drift
ok so i did craft this weapon for my mage playthrough
opaque grail
ugh I dont have my airsplitter to show what its like
Basically it can be seen as a mix of sky fracture and stardisk, it shoots out of you like stardisk and delays before firing, but it has 3 randomly placed projectiles like the fracture
- the other stuff I mentioned
frank stratus
NOT AGAIN
terse sundial
GODDAMMIT
opaque grail
@small talon I like ur suggestion
small talon
ty
lost agate
Did i miss another bot?
distant gyro
yes
opaque grail
oh was it a bot u were pinging for?
small talon
oof
frank stratus
yeah
opaque grail
yeah I was confused, I only realized he pinged for bot cuz I had to as well
frank stratus
that's why i don't ping a mod in #suggestions-voting because it looks weird lol
opaque grail
Do you think airsplitter being a mix of the stardisk and sky fracture would make sense?
small talon
yeah it was another scamming link
bitter drift
y so many trolls
frank stratus
o i have an idea
hmm, i'm gonna record the bots that come by
there seems to be a bot that joins every day, and only one bot
im gonna test if it joins at a specific time so we can prepare for it
radiant meadow
it's not only one bot
frank stratus
i know
bitter drift
is there anyone think of ideas for the hallow that isn't me?
like why does this biome get no attention from calamity?
radiant meadow
yes, and this getting a bit off topic
frank stratus
hollow shell
It gets attention in the form of profaned stuff but I know you've discounted that
bitter drift
hell get the same content
smoky wagon
well hallow is easier to farm
bitter drift
cuz it's above ground
like it's the only biome to not have a calamity boss of it's own (prov is multi biome)
hollow shell
(except the Jungle Temple or the Underground/Caverns, if you wanna count those
or Granite and Marble)
Hallow is the most major tho
radiant meadow
just because profaned stuff is both underworld and hallow does not mean it should be discounted
bitter drift
at least hell have signus
radiant meadow
signus is only like 3/4 of a boss tbh
unique vector
just because one biome has a boss doesn't mean all should
and reminder that signus is more of a miniboss
bitter drift
dude
unique vector
by your logic, granite biome should have a boss too right?
smoky wagon
i think more post-ml content for new biomes will be a thing much later down the line
maybe some more profaned enemies
and give them some unqiue weapon drops
unique vector
there are way too many biomes and other aspects that calamity has to prioritize on expanding atm
bitter drift
calamity give every biome a boss
granite and marble aren't fully biome but count as the underground
unique vector
of course not everything will get equal attention
so is providence not a hallow boss?
smoky wagon
😔 but it is fought in the hallow
unique vector
because your logic is what we should base it upon right
does the abyss have a boss?
i dont think so, and its a calamity biome nonetheless
bitter drift
a bunch
unique vector
list me an abyss boss
young fog
of mini bosses
bitter drift
they are just called mini bosses
unique vector
so by that logic hell does not have a boss either
smoky wagon
😔 hallow has the hallowed mimic
unique vector
because signus is a miniboss
bitter drift
who was talking about signus
unique vector
you were?
bitter drift
you talked about the abyss
unique vector
and im comparing your mention of an abyss boss being a miniboss to signus
as an example
there are no abyss bosses
bitter drift
and i swear to god some of these "mini" bosses are harder they actual mini bosses
hollow shell
This is getting a bit heated for probably no reason, because boss suggestions aren't allowed
Just come up with some Hallow ideas and post em in #suggestions-voting
unique vector
that would be best
bitter drift
ok
hollow shell
@loud steeple Use the Eye of Extinction somewhere else 
loud steeple
so where do you think a good place to spawn it is?
mighty mica
Anywhere that's open space
frail mantle
in the air
hollow shell
^ ^^
At this point in the game you should have most/all of the surface mapped out
even if not it's not hard to do so
just find the biggest open space that doesn't have planetoids nearby
fickle spruce
it's more annoying having to clear out the stuff for devourer
mighty mica
plus at that stage you should have quite a speedy pickaxe so clearing large areas shouldnt be too big of an issue either
hollow shell
Sticky Dynamite also exists
Or even Mortar Rounds
Yeah, just use P90 with some Mortar Rounds and you can wipe out a planetoid in a few seconds
queen delta
And while you’re at that, use P90 with mortar rounds for scal as well 
opaque grail
Hell has a boss, WoF
foggy kindle
Brimstone too
small talon
Wtf do you mean scal i easy, are you playing on expert mode?
ashen warren
Providence/guardians too
elfin maple
that's the reason revengeance/death/defiled/armageddon exist
if you think the game is too easy just use them
small talon
thats the reason difficulty exists
unique vector
@elfin nest you should really explain what you mean by that
elfin nest
SCal is just too easy
elfin maple
on what difficulty are you playing
unique vector
additionally dps caps wouldn't necessarily make sense
ashen warren
Once you learn a boss it gets easier, thats always the case, you cant buff a boss to infinity just because the people who learned it think its easy, what would new players say?
elfin maple
try hardcore dad
unique vector
you're literally restricting people from farming her if you add a dps cap
elfin maple
that could easily be taken out of context
unique vector
additionally, difficulty is varying per person
elfin nest
true
elfin nest
also i kinda feel like the revengence box is slightly too big
size it down by 2 block LUL
elfin maple
ok
ashen warren
I understand when people suggest making scal tougher, because she gets pretty easy once you know what to do. But i also feel like buffing and buffing her wouldnt make sense, at some point it will be impossible for normal players
ashen warren
True
elfin maple
or put some self-imposed restrictions on yourself
elfin maple
like no potions
ashen warren
Also dps cap only makes the fight longer, not harder
quick dove
shew ont even be a superboss
vestal elbow
I've become better and what was once hard isn't anymore, pls fix devs
quick dove
so i dont see any point in suggesting this
elfin maple
yeah
ashen warren
Yea, just wait for the next boss, that will be more of a challenge id imagine
elfin nest
I mean, SCal is meant to be a superboss
ashen warren
She is
quick dove
she isnt
elfin nest
i remember making that mistake saying she isnt
elfin nest
"Not to be confused with her doppelganger.Supreme Calamitas is a post-Moon Lord superboss that can be fought anywhere and at any time of day. She is currently the most challenging enemy in the Calamity Mod and is notoriously difficult, especially on Revengeance Mode or Death Mode. The player should be very well equipped both physically and mentally before taking her on."
as stated by the wiki
shes a superboss
elfin nest
"Supreme Calamitas is a post-Moon Lord superboss"
elfin nest
true
ashen warren
Prob yea
elfin nest
with new bosses and items she eventually wont be a superboss any longer
unique vector
imo superboss was mostly a term to describe her due to the fact that she used to have a hitcap
terse sundial
mhm
elfin nest
still want that hitcap back
unique vector
now theres more and more people saying yharon is harder than scal
so 
anyway this isnt a convo for suggestions
elfin nest
unique vector
yessir
elfin maple
yes
there's a difference between real and artificial difficulty
real difficulty forces you to put your skills to the test to surpass an obstacle
while artificial difficulty... well, doesn't
queen sail
Let me say this
If people are saying scal is easier because her hitcap was removed, what do you think that says about scal’s fight?
smoky wagon
what does making Scal harder accomplish
im pretty sure its still plenty difficult for the average playthrough
hollow shell
@elfin maple Wouldn't we just change from saying 
to saying "check #suggestions-voting_rules"
queen delta
If this suggestion was made as an attempt to get those people to understand the rules, it won't work.
You could have a watermark over the #suggestions-voting channel saying "Read pins" and they wouldn't do it anyways
elfin maple
ok
what i was thinking is that a channel would be more straightforward than pins
if you know what i mean
the same reason you'd always put the server rules in their own channel rather than pinning them in general
smoky wagon
@maiden jungle you meant impossible right
maiden jungle
no it is possible
pliant bone
Imagine tanking.
smoky wagon
well then the point of the feature is working
its supposed to make tank builds unviable because they take little skill and are cheesy
small talon
idk what you need to do to actually take that little damage, but it must be insane
actually possibly in normal mode
pliant bone
Unless you are using external mods too
maiden jungle
no sometimes in revengeance mode for some reason i get hit for less than 100 damage and she instantly kills me
doesnt happen often, but it happens enough to be annoying
pliant bone
What even is your gear
zenith hazel
most likely due to triumph potion tbh
her contact damage is pretty abnormally low, especially during some of her last phases
not to mention CoTBG activating at the same time
zenith hazel
yeah it’s not low, but the effects of triumph potion and CoTBG probably mitigate that when her hp is low
I somehow took 82 contact dmg on her last sepulcher phase and I didn’t even go full tank
hearty ermine
the scal instakill is obnoxious, i dont think they should remove it entirely, just make it so it actually just prevents cheating and absurdly tanky builds, and not just people that use auric tesla, potion buffs and a few defensive accessories
smoky wagon
It sounds like triumph potion should be adjusted for Scal
zenith hazel
^
fickle spruce
i'd just remove it unless a better detection can be made as i've died to it already while attempting scal too
queen sail
Maybe make it anything less than 50 HP
marsh gust
@ashen warren whats the point of making onyx excavator mine up to hellstone only if hm ores are generated upon entering hm?
ashen warren
ur right xD
zenith hazel
I mean a theme for sword shrines could be good considering it could be a nice reference to the Temple of Time from Zelda: Ocarina of Time but it feels kinda unnecessary for a place that you're gonna stay for like 10 seconds and leave
proven tide
@lost agate yikes
lost agate
Yeye im on it
signal prairie
@ashen warren Just git gud
ashen warren
Just dodge them
gaunt gazelle
breaking news
death mode is slightly ridiculous
zenith hazel
breaking news
mp is even more ridiculous
lost agate
Death Yharon is like, one of the biggest if not the biggest challenges in the entire game
tiny rivet
Is it wrong to say i struggled more with dm wall of flesh than i did with dm yharon
queen delta
WoF is definitely hard without any good preparations
Even with a long bridge, you're still gonna have a hard time if you dont have room to jump
hollow shell
Jesus christ @lost agate
They don't stop coming
er @dusty stirrup
Oh wait I have delete perms in suggestions
@ashen warren is the bot this time
zenith hazel
at least that's dealt with
tiny rivet
My only frustrations with yharon is post scal with apoth i have to farm out yharon soul fragments for the uber accessories and the invuln periods just drag out the fight
hollow shell
Apoth isn't exactly
farming friendly
or I guess it's incredibly farming friendly because it freaking loves to make you farm
foggy kindle
Flashback on getting that Cosmic Discharge
tiny rivet
Apoth mod is farm hell and i love and hate it
Im considering making a suggestion where post yharon his subphase invuln periods are disabled so that way it’s faster to farm him out
Would pair well with DoG losing his sentinels after the first fight
hollow shell
There was a suggestion to have him spawn instantly into Phase 2 if you have his lore item in your inventory
tiny rivet
I like that idea but just removing his subphase invuln periods would sorta be the idea met halfway where some people would say half the challenge is in phase 1 and skipping that phase would defeat some of the challenge of yharon
hollow shell
By removing the invulnerability periods, do you mean
making him able to take damage during the transitions
or that he doesn't stop to roar for transitions, he just goes straight into the next subphase with no indicator?
Cuz I could see the latter working
The former might make him too easy to kill
hollow shell
Aight
pliant bone
Inventory Management solves that.
hardy lintel
@sinful violet
pliant bone
@sinful violet Nsfw bot
hardy lintel
Jinx! 
pliant bone
brave birch
@last pendant There's a mod called Recipe Browser that's pretty intuitive and fills every role you put out in your suggestion. You should give it a shot. It tells you all the crafting or craftable recipes, all the materials, etc. and you can even double click on items to go further down their crafting tree. For that reason, I don't think that a recipe book is too needed in Calamity though.
last pendant
@brave birch Thank you for your help, much appreciated. The only question I have is is it a item, or do you need to make a hot key?
brave birch
It's a hot key, then a UI appears, and there's a little box in the top left where you can place down a material and see what it's used for.
last pendant
That’s what I don’t like... I highly thank you for the mod you told me about, but it feels like there is no challenge.
The thing is.
When you get something like that.
I feel it gets too over powered, when you start the game.
But.
With a item, I feel it would be more balanced.
Because I don’t want people to rely on the guide all the time, or not all the time.
It’s a game mechanic that needs to be important.
But thank you for the suggestion.
brave birch
Well, ultimately, the item you've suggested can be made pre-boss theoretically. Imo, I consider crafting less of a challenge, but more of a thing you need to know about. But I guess I see where you're coming.
last pendant
I guess you do have a point as well.
But.. I don’t want that crafting recipe exactly, maybe like a different one..? I haven’t played too much calamity mod to know that bosses, items, etc.
Overall, thank you for discussing this with me, I feel like it balances it out, kinda.
glad loom
Did u call a recipe book op??
placid moth
@last pendant Did you mean - Recipe Browser ?
placid moth
What.
placid moth
The guide's purpose is literally to summon a boss.
And serve as comic relief.
But, yes, I would love to be able to combine all the lore items.
queen delta
Lets not combine the lore items
They serve as a way to give benefit, at the cost of taking up inventory space
placid moth
Fair enough, I guess.
But the Mech's Lore are just too valuable to give up.
I gotta suck it up, I guess.
glad loom
How is a recipe browser op
placid moth
It isn't.
glad loom
People can just google stuff anyways
queen delta
Its a QoL mod, not a boss eraser
placid moth
Boss Eraser ?
glad loom
Cuz the wiki seems to contain everything
zenith hazel
not again
novel pebble
lolnice
proven tide
case in fucken point, ey
frail mantle
i rest my case
proven tide
we've still got ones in #suggestions-voting, #multiplayer-looking-to-play, and #help-advice-read-pins
opal barn
thank you for pinging
proven tide
e.z.
radiant meadow
@ashen warren #suggestions-voting is not the place to suggest bug fixes
also, it's fixed next update. If it's on the bug document, then that means it's known.
proven tide
@echo horizon like?
ashen warren
Glass furniture?
echo horizon
yea
ashen warren
Is that a thing?
echo horizon
yea
tepid wadi
I feel like that is something Relogic themselves should fix and not Calamity
ashen warren
@radiant meadow i just thought that will be too op if Luxor’s Gift works with it :\
radiant meadow
if you get it, then it's honestly player fault for abusing it at that point
ashen warren
alright then
cyan lagoon
@ashen warren not trying to be rude but can you format it please?
@ashen warren sir, please heed my advice
It's all over the place right now and can definitely made cleaner
the suggestion
for one thing, the recipe
12 presents at what exactly?
anvil? ancient manipulator? another present?
spark flax
"i gave it a shot"
zenith hazel
aren’t presents only dropped during christmas?
young fog
yes
ashen warren
isn't today christmas?
young fog
unless you have either luiafk or fargo's
zenith hazel
so is the weapon a frost moon drop or a craftable item because there’s “12 christmas presents” in the suggestion?
unless he’s referring to 12 presents surrounding an enemy
placid moth
It's a pretty effortless suggestion.
zenith hazel
yeah the wording is so confusing
smoky wagon
Why does it have so many lines
ashen warren
@queen delta Bumble isn't ment to be hard
Hes like slime king, profaned guardiens or desert scourge. There ment to be easy
queen sail
Why are you tagging him
queen delta
cuz im the one who suggested to make birb harder
Birb isn't like profaned guardians or king slime tho
Profaned guardians are just the gate to providence
Birb is sorta a gate to Yharon, but he drops weapons as well, and looks to be intended as an actual boss
So it needs a bit of a buff, as well as more strategy to it
queen sail
The only thing profaned guardians need is something to make them worthwhile
Because tbh
You only really fight them once and then they’re forgotten
Because the nonconsumable profaned core just needs a bit of hallow/hell farming
Give them like
A RIV at least
bitter drift
maybe an RIV of the counter scarf
i swear to god thus has been suggested so many times XD
thin shale
Exactly. Counter Scarf’s dash distance needs to be buffed. I feel like the Shield of Cthulhu is more useful in some cases
bitter drift
you know that you should switch from scarf to sheild post plant
in the time where u have no other options it's pretty balanced
ntl this is needed
young fog
it used to be twice as long
bitter drift
frail mantle
CS is still better than SoC even though its dash is shorter
shell lynx
I think it'd be pretty cool if you could upgrade the CS somehow
frail mantle
yea
i've thought about an Exo SoC and CS upgrade before, something like bonking when visibility is off and the CS dash when it's on, but i feel like it's just not really necessary
bitter drift
god of dead memes
i think of an tsunami in a bottle to upgrade it and u can change the direction you charge to even up and down
cyan lagoon
@obtuse glacier there is no "true" damage
bitter topaz
true damage is typeless damage, cob
but why would you make them immune to it anyway?
young fog
they're kinda obsolete at that point
smoky wagon
yharim isnt even in the game
young fog
to make rev less abusable?
its not abusable in the first place tbh, the added difficulty to everything makes up for it
young fog
No, that's also dumb. Having them need to be in inventory is one of the only things keeping them balanced
Also you didn't list any of the new changes or effects
dusty stirrup
That'd be too much work to put into a sugmas!!!
vague olive
I swear people ask for lore items to take up less space every fifth suggestion
open prairie
very good suggestion
young fog
what's sugmas?
queen delta
the corruption
open prairie
The Corruption
young fog
should less space for lore items be in the no-no docs?
gaunt gazelle
it should be added
people asking for it every 5th suggestion is a pretty good indicator its a good idea
dusty stirrup
ashen warren
if spammed suggestions were always good, astrageldon slime and legendary scaling would be back
lost agate
@obtuse glacier @ashen warren uuuuuuuh, you two might want to work more on your suggestions
ashen warren
What's wrong about it?
obtuse glacier
lost agate
Elaborate on the suggestions
as to what exactly you want and why
not just "add x thing"
young fog
also most of them are getting a change next update iirc
terse sundial
only a few are
young fog
oh
frail mantle
aren't the flame attacks gonna be replaced by Kunai attacks next update tho
queen delta
I'm talking about the random fireballs that come from above during the fight
terse sundial
Its gone next update
queen delta
Oh thank god
queen delta
so no need for suggestion?
young fog
nop
queen delta
So i guess ill revive my suggestion
young fog
terse sundial
I approve of getting it removed, it really doesn't fit in theme wise next update
distant gyro
Wait; then what does "stop emitting dust below half HP" mean
terse sundial
Signus emits purple particles as it moves around, those are now only going to show up <50% health as signus becomes more transparent and harder to spot now
queen delta
and those particles do damage?
queen delta
oh thank god
ashen warren
I don’t see a point in a brightspec bar
It does nothing other than just add more crafting
small talon
yah you got that fast
terse sundial
99% sure that SW moves faster the further the player is away, so it gets to the player faster on larger worlds
young fog
thats a tmodloader bug, calamity can't do anything
atomic shell
@queen delta is there any way to fix that?
queen delta
no iirc
just leave modded items out of item frames and armor stands and you should be fine
ivory heart
Attack Combo Damage
The attack speed and power of weapons can go up or down depending on a hidden meter that increases every time you hit an enemy, and this meter can only go up once every half second. After three seconds of not hitting anything, the meter drops down at a rate of once every second. This meter power caps off at twenty without any accessories or armor.
Certain armor sets and accessories that boost attack speed and power can boost the max meter power, lower the cool down between meter increases, allow for more time without hitting anything before the meter power drains, and/or slow down the power drain.
small talon
god these things are coming every couple minutes now
ivory heart
Is it good though
queen delta
Ye ig
ashen warren
ngl @ivory heart sounds like rogue stealth but for everything
queen delta
its the opposite tho
young fog
uses p90 hurr durr
ashen warren
^
ivory heart
P90 only has the same problem as ranged weapons that fire less than once every half second
ashen warren
why that isn’t a good idea
ivory heart
For combo building
Though it is efficient
Slow firing weapons benefit the most building combos
ashen warren
maybe a specific weapon could have combos, but there are just too many high use time weapons to be excluded
young fog
who got the kill
ashen warren
^
radiant meadow
@vital storm there is no point to that item
it only serves to be extra crafting materials
Additionally, Shadowspec is the name of a former dev
fuck I was slow on bot
eager palm
radiant meadow
😔
young fog
ha
paper torrent
Well, that was fun to write on mobile who's keyboard likes to shut off every few minutes.
I don't really think people are gonna like it much though, sadly. Ah well. At least it's out there.
Gonna keep a close eye on that suggestion.
I bet Fury would like it.
And other builders.
ashen warren
imo there really aren't enough crafting stations to make too much of a difference
it'd be a waste of exo material
paper torrent
I did say it was optional.
ashen warren
Combined crafting stations are always a good idea, especially when magic storage is installed. +1
oblique geyser
@rancid laurel I think the negative heal is a feature.
placid moth
If Providence's flames do regular damage, I can't have adrenaline anymore y'know
terse sundial
It's like that for one of the reasons mentioned in the suggestion
rancid laurel
Why would it be a feature though?
terse sundial
It's to punish the player for bad positions
rancid laurel
For the flat 150 damage maybe
oblique geyser
To make the fight more challenging
queen sail
Also so it allows them to get hit more
terse sundial
You can get hit multiple times for that reason
queen sail
Because negative healing doesn’t trigger inv frames
terse sundial
This is intensional
rancid laurel
I know it sounds kinda stupid but my first Provo fight I saw green numbers and got massacred because I didn't bother to see what those numbers are lol
queen sail
Stay your distance and watch where they move
If you’re on rev a green one will appear every so often which actually heals you
rancid laurel
On expert it does that too
I deleted it, the only reason I wrote that suggestion was because I thought it was unintentional
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keen palm
Holy Napalm Rockets ( I and II )
Post-ML ammo for launchers
An upgraded version of rockets III and IV, with a very slightly increased explosion, more damage, and inflicting Holy Inferno.
* Maybe lower defense of enemies by 15 points?
Recipe: Rocket III or IV + Unholy Essence
Why?: While it is simple somewhat, an additional ammo for one of the underappreciated subclass would maybe flesh out the Post-ML launchers a little bit
hollow idol
google bot link = steal ip when you click on it
proven tide
slim fern
thank you whoever did that
proven tide
it's not a google link it's a link that uses the google doodle
damn i wish i had the raw alpha energy to ping a mod in suggestions chat
radiant meadow
please keep topic to suggestions, not sex bots
proven tide
@radiant meadow
hey guess what
where'd that suggestion go from the other day, about a perms channel?
damn
radiant meadow
it went to #suggestions-voting
radiant meadow
I killed it
proven tide
thank uwu
radiant meadow
why though
round falcon
ok i rarely ever share ideas but
terse sundial
I don't understand why either
round falcon
reverse of that one shotgun that speeds up, starts fast, low-damaging, and inaccurate but slows down, deals more damage, and all the bullets basically stack on top of each other
terse sundial
sound neat, but I'm not if it's purpose in-game
round falcon
maybe the 1,732,219th exo gun suggestion
post-plantera sounds cool for it
martians could get a gun drop?
smoky wagon
aren't RiVs supposed to be near the tier of the original weapon
round falcon
The whole idea is it's a normal Butcher (weapon) that the Martians tried to recreate, but their confounding technology got it backwards
Rehctub
It seems that not all martian technology is superior in every way...
Rare item variant of the Butcher
Dropped from the Martian Saucer at an 11% chance
Fires fast, inaccurate shotgun spreads with low damage that slow down as the weapon is used, with the bullets getting closer together and the damage slowly rising. Velocity also slightly increases as the speed decreases.
Fires Nano Bullets if no special ammunition is used.
Why do I feel this should be added? To give Rangers (specifically gunslingers) a second reason to fight the Martians. Also, I love the Butcher as a concept- the more you focus, the more rewards you reap. Additionally, giving the player unique strategies of either committing to the long game of waiting on the gun to slow down or firing short, quick, low-damage bursts to deal reliable damage means this weapon can help with cleaning up some stragglers or finally putting that Lucky Coin to good use. Also, Nano Bullets are legitimately forgettable. Why not put them in just one thing?
edited version because discord broke
eh, ill just post it now
terse sundial
nope
It's 0.5% for normal enemy drops, 1% from rare enemies and mini-bosses, and 2.5% drop from Bosses
round falcon
saucer's technically a boss right
terse sundial
yes and no
sand umbra
Actually the Eye of Magnus is the other exception.
At a fairly high 10% chance from Rune Wizards.
ashen warren
Its like that with any game with rarity tiers
unique vector
what would be the purpose to have bootleg unnerfed halibut cannons
proven tide
^
unique vector
as advice, you should make suggestions that would help contribute to the content or flow of the mod and not because it would align with other game practices
proven tide
when everyone talks about the halibut as stupidly broken and needing to be rarer but never mention the old .1% super-nuke yharim's crystal
<sad rock noises>
unique vector
yharim's crystal is still solid for things like scal and br
proven tide
ya
but the old tiny-chance-from-anything one was even more busted than the old halibut tbh
point stands, though: why
lost agate
We have the reaper and you want something even stronger?
ivory heart
Oh goodness YES
lost agate
Yeah yeah, it got delivered
Fun fact is that you missed the entire point of rare variants and it somehow still got to 90 stars
spiral olive
first we become provi with profaned soul now we become polter with this summon 
I like it tho
ashen warren
i'm mostly looking for ways to spice up how summoner plays, variety is the spice of life and all that
spiral olive
Always fun for unique weapon concepts
quiet abyss
Cool unique idea, but not entirely sure about the process of coding it
ashen warren
coding it i imagine would be quite painful, though the ai would simply be following the player rather than going after enemies akin to most summons
if it had it's own ai too 
quiet abyss
Coding summons are already a pain, and a summon that draws aggro from enemies is smth new that'd prolly be even more of a struggle to code.
Not to mention the fact that it also scales off of how many summon slots you have left when you use it, its cooldown penalty, and its boost towards the original variant of the item
ashen warren
could easily remove the scaling and have it be set
frosty kindle
prolly set to smth like 2-3 slots would be epic
ashen warren
the boost towards the original variant is mostly because summons struggle to keep up with DoG in p2 especially, with profaned soul being pretty much the only summon that can do it consistently
quiet abyss
That could work, though there's still a bit of a problem regarding coding the aggro
frosty kindle
i mean star(dust) Platinumguardian draws aggro
buut then again, that's vanilla stuff, and that stuff has the most obscene, random code
spiral olive
It’s also stationary which is kinda like wut
quiet abyss
The most painful feature to code would be the recharge feature though
Stardust guardian can draw aggro but it's invincible
But this suggestion has a summon with "hp"
spiral olive
Maybe the cooldown could be changed so that when the player reaches a certain hp threshold, then the summon goes on cooldown
quiet abyss
Sounds a bit odd, since it makes it sound like the player receiving damage hurts the summon itself 🤔
But it definitely sounds easier to code, ye
spiral olive
If it makes you take reduced damage too, it theoretically shouldn’t be going on cooldown too often
Seems to strike a decent balance
ashen warren
ye, i set it to 50%, having stuff at full hp and 90% would occur too frequently for the item to be useful, this strikes a good balance, and if you go below 50% it also makes the downside more lethal
spiral olive
I really like the idea of one minion buffing a different one actually
Plus phantoms are kinda the weakest of the 3 at DoG tier
ashen warren
even lamps are better ngl
spiral olive
Ye they are, they’re really quick
ashen warren
squids miss a fair bit due to having a projectile fired from them that dog can nyoom past but they still end up achieving more than phantoms iirc
spiral olive
If you can stick around doggo’s vulnerable areas then squids pack a hefty punch
earnest raptor
The Talk of Green Guys
queen delta
How does one screenshot a whole wall of text without needing to merge screenshots
spiral olive
What if their phone is just really long? 
queen delta
foggy kindle
Lol
queen delta
just an attempt to get back on topic
Super rare variants?
earnest raptor
@queen delta
How does one screenshot a whole wall of text without needing to merge screenshots
My Android 8 can create long screenshots.
queen delta
Oh its an android thing?
earnest raptor
Super rare variants?
No, God, please
earnest raptor
Oh its an android thing?
Yep. On screenshoting system will ask about sharing, deleting and prolonging screenshot.
The rare variants are genuine
Most rare items have 1.5%-2% chance to drop.
queen delta
Theyre powerful, but rare
Halibut cannon is so insanely rare and yet so powerful that its just a meme
earnest raptor
RNGesus like to hate Terraria, so in reality farming these items commonly ways into huge black hole of time.
worthy fiber
They're not cheap to craft because they're powerful
quiet abyss
^
earnest raptor
Ark of Waders
"Join the dark side of Force, we have a cookies!"
Rare variant of Ark of the Ancients
On using: shoots a dark-colored big cookie, that doesn't affected by gravity and slows over time up to halting in one place. Once halted, cookie will start to shoot many dark bolts in random directions, that have a very small chance to wither away the target with granting to owner the Rage buff to 1 second.
Cookies disappear after 30 seconds of life, dark bolts - after 7 seconds.
However, if player hold this weapon, their defense cutted by half.
Obtaining: all Hardmode Evil Biome enemies after first Mechanical Boss with 2% chance.
Reasons:
- More dark weapons in general.
- More rare variants, that acts differently from their originals.
- Reference to popular Star Wars internet joke.
- Something, that encourages Evil Biome farming in mid-HM.
Good?
quiet abyss
"dark-colored big cookie"?
echo horizon
i mean who doesnt like cookies
earnest raptor
You became sith and obtain weapons, that use cookies as damage sources, isn't this awesome?
frail mantle
it might be a bit too memey
quiet abyss
While a bit of silliness is fine, this one seems a bit too random and out of nowhere
queen delta
Also is my suggestion fine or way too op/unnecessary?
echo horizon
its good
queen delta
If it seems way too op, i can probably reduce it to like 1.5x
quiet abyss
Another one
proven tide
yep
gonna talk to danny about that whole permissions channel thing
surely he'll listen to me
quiet abyss
Interesting concept, but the fact that you can only reflect projectiles every 10 seconds even if you don't miss sound a bit too much.