suggestions-discussion

[bitter drift]

yes actually it really started with the Ichor marked and broken armor mix
he didn't know what to put and i suggest new flasks of armor decreasing debuffs

[queen delta]

For that wall of text, use formatting styles to make it more appealing

[zenith hazel]

besides, silva bricks don't exist

[bitter drift]

wait wot

[zenith hazel]

unless you mean silva crystals

[elfin maple]

i'm spriting ludicrous numbers of fruits for the next update of my mod

but

i'm going to invent a new fruit and suggest it here

because calamity needs more fruit

[bitter drift]

yes

[zenith hazel]

also, demonshade armor isn't that hard to get anyway

[bitter drift]

isn't demonshade just you know
post SCal

[queen delta]

Do we have anything related to vegetable here?

[zenith hazel]

unless you want to inflict demon flames with auric tesla, that's pretty iffy?

isn't your flask also... post scal?

[elfin maple]

can we all agree that the pear is the most mediocre fruit

[queen delta]

Post SCal suggestions are allowed

[elfin maple]

yea

[queen delta]

Shadowspec bars are a no-no zone tho

[zenith hazel]

yeah I'm referring to his argument about demonshade

[bitter drift]

should i lower it to pre SCal then

[queen delta]

No

[elfin maple]

time to invent a new fruit/find a really obscure fruit nobody knows exists

[zenith hazel]

no, demon flames is too much

[queen delta]

Pre SCal would be too op

[bitter drift]

the first suggestion is entirely his as i said
i just followed suit and made the other one of the armor debuff post SCal

[zenith hazel]

flask of pierces: isn't too useful post-ml

[bitter drift]

why?

[zenith hazel]

everything is immune to marked, you can just use shattering potion + ichor flask instead

and what would this new debuff even do?

[bitter drift]

at least it's one debuff 😦

[elfin maple]

how about the fruit gives you every single buff in the mod

[bitter drift]

the words typed like this shows what the new debuffs do

[zenith hazel]

that doesn't answer my question

oh

[bitter drift]

lol

[zenith hazel]

still gets outclassed nonetheless

the combo of armor crunch + ichor is still better

[bitter drift]

what is armor crunch

[elfin maple]

a type of fungus

[zenith hazel]

elemental flask: use any elemental weapon for the same result

a debuff???

[bitter drift]

ah this debuff

elemental flask when you are at post prov and these weapons now suck

remember flasks are just making any melee weapon use the debuff they give

[zenith hazel]

no they don't, Ark of the Elements is still amazing against polter

not to mention, polter is immune to elemental mix + holy flames

[elfin maple]

oh

[bitter drift]

remember flasks are just making any melee weapon use the debuff they give

[elfin maple]

mhm

[bitter drift]

but i get you point for a second i'll upgrade my Ichor mix

[zenith hazel]

list of flasks that are unneeded/outclassed: Flask of Pierces, Elemental Flask, Plague Flask, Marked Flask, Broken Armor Flask, Brimstone Flask, Holy Flask, God Slayer Flask, Silva Flask

the ones in italics are in the middle when it comes to usefulness

[bitter drift]

ok but i upgraded the flask or pierces to add armor crunch and crash depths

[queen delta]

Im kinda uneasy about my suggestion mainly cuz flask of ichor + prismalline = chaos

But can just use golden gun for that

[bitter drift]

*** y i can't star this suggestion ***

[queen delta]

SugmaBot is down

Gotta wait for an actual human or a substitute robot to do it for ne

[bitter drift]

oof

[queen delta]

Hoping it doesnt get drowned out by other suggestions by the time it gets stars

[bitter drift]

well in the mean time
what do you think of my flask suggestions
not coping it cuz when you look at it you will see

just look up it's fairly recent you should see it after one load

[queen delta]

Thats a lot of flasks

Also, like i said before, better formatting

[bitter drift]

*** YAS YAAS***
how to format it better?

[marsh gust]

starred btw

[queen delta]

Demon Flask:
Made with: Flask of Fire + Flask of Cursed Flames + Calamitas' Brew + 3 Calamitous Essences
Melee weapons would apply demon flames (the debuff from using demonshade armor)

Do that for the rest

[bitter drift]

ok

[queen delta]

But do consider removing some

Thats alot of flasks, so try filtering out those that you think wouldnt do as well as other flasks

Cuz chances are, its gonna be overshadowed by ichor flask

[bitter drift]

the thing is the flask of Ichor has now a mix upgrade

after the first flask you see

[queen delta]

And rename the mix

“Flask mix” doesnt sound appealing imo

Do Elemental Mix for the first one and Cosmic Mix for second one

[bitter drift]

so elemental flask

[queen delta]

That as well

Elemental Flask and Cosmic Flask sound better imo

But thats up to u

[bitter drift]

cosmic flask is not a name i will put because

1. this flask is after the elemental flask in lines
2. this is not only the DoG flask it's flask of gods

Silva flask removed from the suggestion (and all of it's effects on other flasks)

ok now the actual DoG flask is now named the cosmic flask

flask mix is now elemental flask

[tired haven]

tbh I'm against rogue flasks because everyone just gonna slap ichor one and rogue weps will throw the balance out of the window

[queen delta]

Tbh, you should remove brimstone flask, crunch crash flask, flask of broken armor, marked flask, and glacial flask

[bitter drift]

most likely

[queen delta]

Also thats what im worried about

But at the same time, same effect could be achieved with golden gun spam

Not as good, but similar

[tired haven]

I mean, you still have to switch and actually apply a brain or smth

[bitter drift]

maybe debuff the flasks on rogue

[tired haven]

With flasks you just will play as usual but 20% more efficient

[bitter drift]

maybe just a minute of every flask would be applied to rogue weapons (when you drink the flask of course)

[queen delta]

Or just have all but ichor flask be on rogue

[tired haven]

Cursed flames 🤔

[bitter drift]

when what would be the point
i say debuff the flasks on rogue weapons

[queen delta]

Cursed flames arent as op as ichor tho

[bitter drift]

beside if my flask suggestion get past this would be out of the window

when i post it of course

[queen delta]

I edited it

Its 3am so ill listen to more feedback tomo... later today

[bitter drift]

k i know that feeling

crabbar what do you think of my flask suggestion (up above after a load)

[tired haven]

First two and godly are shadowbanned because calamitous essense, also quite op (obv)
Others are pretty good but marked I guess, it's too specific to be widely applied imho
Also I feel like the wide recipes (5-10 flasks) should be cut to 1 if possible

[bitter drift]

the first flask isn't mine
this suggestion was started by Captain Flavio (he posted the first suggestion) i did the others
i can nurf the godly one

here crabbar i fixed them (now holy flames from the holy flask is at 25% and it take 3 Yharon soul fragments)

"Also I feel like the wide recipes (5-10 flasks) should be cut to 1 if possible"
these are what the mixes for...

[tired haven]

I meant recipes that are 10 A + 10 B = 10 C

[zenith hazel]

doesn't providence's lore invalidate the holy flask?

[tired haven]

It probably does

[bitter drift]

ok

also fixed now

[zenith hazel]

how would holy inferno even work anyway? it's a providence-exclusive debuff

[bitter drift]

the same as the normal one
the farther the enemy is from you the more damage it does to the enemy

[bitter drift]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/17cLQsAERwXWpPwHWIra8Z9XVyBVTM9MKh30BhXh7z60/edit?usp=sharing
my suggestion on a doc already posted

should i post it

[zenith hazel]

the formatting is

[bitter drift]

yas

[spark flax]

expecting reference suggestions to get in?

What a grand and intoxicating innocence

[fierce iris]

[azure tapir]

[radiant pawn]

[hollow shell]

@lilac cypress Meme suggestions are not allowed

[lilac cypress]

unfortunate

but understandable

[bitter topaz]

is this a meme suggestion i see?
@lilac cypress no meme suggestions. no exceptions, so here's a warn

[hollow shell]

[radiant pawn]

pretty cool idea

but how about no with the "weather" idea

[hollow shell]

Replace "boss" with "miniboss" and you're good

[radiant pawn]

Everything else sounds really cool

^

[clever dome]

In #calamity-mod-talk many people suggested it/liked the idea, so I decided it could add an extra touch to the biome

[radiant pawn]

As an astral biome in itself, apart from maybe moving you a bit, or doing GodSlayer Inferno in 0,01% of speed

[clever dome]

I just thought it'd be very cool to have astral biome become something associated with the mod - like abyss.
Abyss is a great experience with unique loot, chests etc..

[radiant pawn]

theres not many ideas for a weather change

dont get me wrong, the ideas you have are really cool. If you change boss for miniboss like Sors said, its 9/10

im just pointing out the weather

Mr_Oinky is typing...

[patent oar]

mabye its like "you kill astral cells and it powers up a robotic miniboss" that can drop either hauls of stardust or lategame new "petrfied astral" gear that comes in post polter or smth as an example

also weather could work when 1.4 comes if i should even dare speak of it

but tbf considering the new weather system it would make sense

also how about a starstorm in astral, like lots more stars than usual fall from the sky?

[hot zephyr]

Idea for special flowers grown in the Astral Underground that give buffs and work better in Multiplayer:

Cadence Flowers are Post-Wall of Flesh hardmore accessories that grow in the Underground Astral biome. These accessories grant a small buff to the player wearing the accessory but also create a "buff field" that affects teammates and summons from up to five blocks away which will give teammates and summons twice the effect.

Red Cadence Flower: Grown from Red Cadence Flower seeds in the Astral Infection Biome.
"Feel the strength of the stars!" Creates a buff field around the player that affects summons and other players for twice of the stats given by this flower:"
5% Damage Increase (10% for players and summons)

Blue Cadence Flower: Grown from Blue Cadence Flower seeds in the Astral Infection Biome.
'Feel the wisdom of the stars!" Creates a buff field around the player that affects summons and other players for twice of the stats given by this flower.
+2 Mana Regen rate (+4 for other players)

• 1 Summoning Slot (+2 for other players)

Green Cadence Flower: Grown from Green Cadence Flower seeds in the Astral Infection Biome.
"Feel the speed of the stars!" Creates a buff field around the player that affects summons and other players for twice of the stats given by this flower.
+7% movement speed (+14% for other players and summons)
+7% attack speed (+14 for other players and summons)

Yellow Cadence Flower: Grown from Yellow Cadence Flower seeds in the Astral Infection Biome.
"Feel the power of the stars!" Creates a buff field around the player that affects summons and other players for twice of the stats given by this flower.
+6% crit chance (12% for other players and summons)
+6 defense (12 for other players.)

[patent oar]

are green and yellow supposed to grow from green seeds?

or just green

oh ok

[hot zephyr]

I ctrl-x & ctrl-v'd the descriptions over and forgot to change one.

[hollow shell]

"staff" or "stats"?
Also you say "strength of the stars" twice

But, cool suggestion. Anything to make the Astral Underground more worth visiting is welcome

[patent oar]

i like the idea, mabye post dog you can make the flower sachet that combines their abilities or smth aswell

[hot zephyr]

I just woke up, excuse the typos

[patent oar]

no worries

i make typos way too much all the time

[hot zephyr]

I'm thinking of making a sidegrade to the gleaming magnolia line with the flowers, having them "awaken" with astral ore, their effects being combined, and maybe used as an ingredient to upgrade astral gear

[queen delta]

Try coming up with an idea before submitting suggestion

Post it here first to get ideas

[grizzled abyss]

Whew

150

Holy cow

Thats a lot

[wooden cedar]

when I get a stroke of cough genius as an idea I usually just throw it in there and hey the few suggestions I made are apparently stuff people want

[frail mantle]

Electromagnetic Disruptor
Post-Golem Rogue Weapon
When used, throws out a projectile that flies for about 20-25 blocks before stopping in midair. After stopping, it'll linger in midair for about five seconds, firing hitscan lasers at enemies, also inflicting Distorted and Electrified for 3 seconds. If the main projectile hits an enemy, it'll despawn.
Dropped by the Martian Saucer.
Reason for this suggestion: Some more Rogue options post-Golem, and an actual reason for Rogues to fight the Martians.

thoughts?

[young fog]

yaes calamity suggestion meme man

[frail mantle]

on a scale of to , how is it

[civic pond]

i can give it a

[young fog]

i can give it a

[civic pond]

[terse sundial]

bruh

[young fog]

bruh

[frail mantle]

alright i will commit suggest

[civic pond]

yes it looks like a rogue weapon too

it hit the "magic frisbee" standard

[smoky wagon]

rogues need martian plating to make nanotech

[ashen warren]

@dull comet Dreadon needs and deserves his own theme

[frail mantle]

i mean, Draedon will probably get a theme when he's added

[ashen warren]

like Turq makes great music but this will be another theme like Stained, brutal Calamity or Roar of the Jungle Dragoon

[smoky wagon]

[wooden leaf]

Provi used a sprite he made for a thorium contest

[ashen warren]

SHould all rogue weapons be made non consumable?

[radiant meadow]

no

[ashen warren]

I don't think that potions being placeable is as much of a calamity change as it is vanilla.

[void kelp]

you’re better off just using another mod for it, like a furniture mod

[wooden cedar]

ye I just thought of that

I deleted the suggestion

[halcyon stone]

Tremor has placable potions

[civic pond]

Tremor

[halcyon stone]

[fresh harbor]

download chadsfurni smh

[halcyon stone]

Well, I think one (and only?) thing tremor does good is vanity

[civic pond]

huh

[elfin maple]

tremor is a thing that exists

also what are the rules regarding emoji suggestions? we only have 43 (non animated) ones but we have the space for 150

[halcyon stone]

there is one rule: no rules. At least I don't remember any

[elfin maple]

i'd assume anything that doesn't violate the server rules

[halcyon stone]

well, ofc

[elfin maple]

yeah

[halcyon stone]

you wouldn't suggest some new gif emoji with lady in thier birth-clothes

[elfin maple]

yeah

of course

i have this random image of an angered birb

[terse sundial]

certain emotes such as old emotes aren't coming back

also will never be returning

[elfin maple]

probably for the best

i mean

ms paint

[open sphinx]

my suggestion got 94

[terse sundial]

be patient, the system is not automatic. It will get sent in time

[open sphinx]

ok i was just saying this

i am sorry

[queen sail]

@gritty crow just gonna say this right now

Celestial Invaders have no relation to the Astral Infection

Like at all

[gritty crow]

No they don’t, but they could

[bitter drift]

honestly the pillars have more connection to the evil biomes then astral infection
when you think you can transform Hallowed blocks to corrupted ones when a pillar is in effect

[bitter drift]

stop or this suggestion will be on the don't

[spring stirrup]

how about making crabbo not fall through the platforms all the time

[radiant meadow]

@drifting zealot no need to worry.
All 39 bosses are getting multiplayer testing

[ashen warren]

yay does that mean next update desert scourge will be fixed with spawning?

[bitter drift]

how about making crabbo not fall through the platforms all the time
and the first astral boss does the same shit

[quick wasp]

you mean astrum aureus

and yes i agree its annoying

[bitter drift]

yes so annoying he phases thought blocks too making it even more idiotic

[queen sail]

I mean

If he couldn’t then you could just cheese him by going under him

Also, crab’s fought underground; lots of blocks for him to float up through because of mourning wood ai

[opaque grail]

Hes designed so the many blocks in his native area dont get in his way

[zenith hazel]

in concept, not a bad idea until you consider the anti-butcher system on the final 3

[queen sail]

@mystic sandal I was initially going to say that a quarter of a boss’ health is a little much

But being unable to fire it again until you die?

That’s a little uh

I guess it’s balanced in that sense

[rancid laurel]

That would be unfortunate if you missed your shot

[young fog]

imagine using it vs yharon

[opaque grail]

Hardcore mode

or just not wanting to kill yourself

then ur fucked

[queen sail]

Imagine playing hardcore

[opaque grail]

unless you can use the nurse on the debuff, in which case oh no

"Hey guys I beat SCal in less than a minute!"

[queen sail]

It excludes Scal on the hit list

Btw

[young fog]

[opaque grail]

What about other rly tough bosses?

Literally any boss can be killed easily by building tanky, nurse auto pause and shooting them 4 times

[queen sail]

You also know that heart attack counts as a debuff that can’t be removed by the nurse right

[opaque grail]

I know

[young fog]

and potion sickness

[queen sail]

They could just do the same thing there

[young fog]

and all of the alcohols

[opaque grail]

Either it can be removed by the nurse and easily cheesed

Or it cant be removed, and some people just get fucked

[queen sail]

Then people get fucked

[opaque grail]

also, if your not HC, every boss starts off at 75%

[queen sail]

That simple

[opaque grail]

which seems kinda pointless to make them so strong if ur gonna chunk em so hard anyways

[queen sail]

You literally can only use it once

[opaque grail]

Yes, and between fights you can refresh it by dying

[queen sail]

In comparison to the elephant killer, bazooka, and hydra

[opaque grail]

So obviously you're going to do that in prepartion for a big fight

Meaning EVERY tough boss fight will startat 75%, which is HUGE

[rancid laurel]

I just realized you could go multiplayer and use it more than once per fight if you die and the other guy distracts, that's OP

[opaque grail]

another thing

[rancid laurel]

Or just get 4 dudes all with the gun and nobody has to die

[opaque grail]

and they're balancing and fixing MP soon, so thats a viable thing

but even then, how much HP does SCal have again? millions or billions? ....yeah

[mystic sandal]

Quick thing about the Cannon

You see how it says a quarter of its health is taken away?

Well, I have an idea for it

[rancid laurel]

Make it remaining health rather than total?

[opaque grail]

well they can still start the fight off with the cannon fluff

[mystic sandal]

To balance in multiplayer, whenever you use it again on a boss, it takes a quarter of a quarter off it

[rancid laurel]

Yeah but you can't multiplayer it at least

[opaque grail]

that still leaves the insane amount of dmg it does in single

You can skip almost an entire boss phase on a lot of ppl with that

[rancid laurel]

That's at least 500,000 damage on Yharon even on normal mode

[smoky wagon]

Anything doing 25% of a boss’s health is broken lol

Lets not

[terse sundial]

Doesn't ranger already have immense range while fighting bosses?

[opaque grail]

Anything doing 10% is broken

[terse sundial]

like, that's one of rangers strongest points

[opaque grail]

ranger can kill things like 4 screens away lets be real

[terse sundial]

any weapon that increases that just feels silly to me

[smoky wagon]

It isnt hard to keep enemies knocked away as ranger

[opaque grail]

does any boss take kb?

[queen sail]

Boc

[smoky wagon]

Atleast past like very early game

[opaque grail]

well you dont rly need more kb on that pile of shit of a boss

[queen sail]

No not that i recall

[smoky wagon]

Doesnt signus get knocked back in phase 1 also?

[terse sundial]

most bosses have some kb resistance

[queen sail]

Actually yeah i think he does now

[mystic sandal]

Kind of EoW with it getting stuck on platforms? Idk if that counts

[queen sail]

Then again it’s not very big kb

[opaque grail]

but a ranged weapon used for knockback could be cool, like an early game one where you dont have the dmg or range to kill everything yet

[terse sundial]

The kb resistance will make that wep useless

[queen sail]

Usually it just freezes him in one place

[terse sundial]

it won't deal its job unless you make it like the grand dad

[opaque grail]

I imagine its moreso for general enemies

but itd only be useful until you get wings or rly high dmg

[queen sail]

@terse sundial or the valhalla enchant

:echprime:

[opaque grail]

so I'd love a high KB utility weapon early game

[terse sundial]

[smoky wagon]

A ranger weapon for pushing enemies away would only be good at the like very start

Definitley not post plant

[opaque grail]

yeah

has to be Pre-HM

[mystic sandal]

The weapon is post-mech bosses though

[smoky wagon]

Actually thats post mech but still

[opaque grail]

cuz even after WoF, if you can kill that, its gonna quickly get useless

[mystic sandal]

It is completely useless against most things you’re trying to get post mech

[opaque grail]

so if the recipe and dmg is balanced for mid pre-hm, it'd be perfect

[terse sundial]

It would be useless to begin with except for BoC which is already a pushover

[smoky wagon]

I think it would be for exploring not bosses

[opaque grail]

Yeah for regular enemies

[terse sundial]

I could get behind that

[opaque grail]

cuz I do find those to be a problem

[smoky wagon]

it could help vs the underground desert

[opaque grail]

my only way to deal with enemies atm is with an OP peircing tome anyways

[terse sundial]

I was thinking nighttime farming, but that works too

[queen sail]

Misc question but does rev get rid of or replace the debuff spam by the creepers? @terse sundial

[terse sundial]

no akaik

[queen sail]

Alright

Good thing random always gives me corruption then :echbegone:

[zenith hazel]

ok what the heck

exoblade?

[sick bane]

Idk

Too much?

[smoky wagon]

How about no

[zenith hazel]

that makes as much sense as turning cosmic discharge into a mage weapon

oh wait

[smoky wagon]

it makes less sense

[terse sundial]

Titan arm though

[queen sail]

You had a point with your last suggestion and now you’ve pretty much destroyed it

[terse sundial]

It's literally an in-direct upgrade

[smoky wagon]

grand dad exists

[terse sundial]

^

[smoky wagon]

if you want true meme

[zenith hazel]

post-yharon weapon that deals kb tho

is kb even important at that point?

[smoky wagon]

just delete the moon event minibosses

[queen sail]

Lemme use the weapon with the most complex crafting tree in the game for haha funny meme

[smoky wagon]

[sick bane]

Hey, I changed it

I do see how it was bad

[queen sail]

Make the influx waver a titan arm

Or smth that makes sense

[zenith hazel]

yeah but why influx waver

[sick bane]

Cause it shoots a projectile

[smoky wagon]

I want a real influx waver upgrade 😤

One sword beam= 10 more beams and game lag

[sick bane]

Oh god

[zenith hazel]

influx waver but with hyperius bullets

[sick bane]

Is the influx waiver better or should I just remove it altogether

[zenith hazel]

I mean, is kb good at that point anymore?

[smoky wagon]

Make it not-post ml

[sick bane]

Ok

[smoky wagon]

at the very least

[sick bane]

Recipe big nerf

Idk if I should delete it

[young fog]

there already is a slap hand "upgrade"

[cyan lagoon]

??

oh, Grand Dad

that isn't necessarily an "upgrade" though

[distant gyro]

Titan Arm is also a thing iirc

[queen sail]

That is

Broken

[terse sundial]

@brittle lagoon Can you include a why to your post?

[brittle lagoon]

uh i hit enter too early

i have now

[queen sail]

The “Why” doesn’t matter

[terse sundial]

just edit your message

[brittle lagoon]

i did

[queen sail]

Considering the “Only one lore item works” wasn’t put into effect, having every lore item be placeable in multiple portable chests is straight up broken

[terse sundial]

don't you believe that to be too powerful?

[patent oar]

the idea of lore is to take up inventory space as it doesnt take up accesory slots

[terse sundial]

imo, lore items should have a cap of like 5 in use at a time

[brittle lagoon]

yeah

[terse sundial]

then why did you post that?

[queen sail]

1 or 2 tbh

3 at most

[brittle lagoon]

If someone really wanted to though, they could fill their inventory with pretty much most lore items in the game for a boss fight and then dump them all in some chest later

so i think that there should be a cap but in return you can put them in your piggy bank

[terse sundial]

then add that to your suggestion

[brittle lagoon]

ok

[opaque grail]

Is their a list of what lore items have uses? cuz I noticed some dont do anything

[queen sail]

If there was a cap then at most 2-3

5 is still a lot, even if they’re getting nerfed

[terse sundial]

there is a list of lore items and their effects on the wiki

[queen sail]

The listed effects ain’t gonna be accurate soon though

[terse sundial]

when we get 1.4.2.201 source they will be accurate again

[queen sail]

[proven tide]

isn't that a suggestion ☑-no

[queen sail]

Or we could just wait until tmodloader adds custom achievements

[fierce hedge]

Propably won't happen

[patent oar]

astral biome should have some cool sky features like a trail of stars moving through the sky, referencing the astrum deus lore, random astral meteors whizzing past, new colored rain, occasional stars falling in the background, planetoids sometimes moving by, all to fir with the theme of the astral. at the moment its nice but i think it could have a new beauty if it was given things like sky effects and i guess other wonders that would make being there a better experience

what would people think about this?

[fierce hedge]

Suggest it.

You'll find out

[lost agate]

You know the term "achievement" is kind of lost when theres achievements for going into a biome with ensured spawn

[opaque grail]

what biomes shucks?

like if its hel thats understandable, but is there rly one for that?

or the dungeon

[lost agate]

Well, in the suggestion

[opaque grail]

oh

ok

[smoky wagon]

Maybe an achievment for going to the 4th layer of the abyss

[opaque grail]

could make one like minecraft where u get one for visiting every biome or a certain amount

[lost agate]

Which is not an achievement if youre doing normal progression

[patent oar]

you basically have to visit every biome

[lost agate]

Its just bound to happen so why should it be an achievement

[patent oar]

unlike minecraft

[opaque grail]

Well achievements mean you've done something good, so you're getting awarded for getting so far

[smoky wagon]

Well are these achievments challenges or just things you are meant to do

Or both

[lost agate]

"Congrats youre playing the game"

[smoky wagon]

Vanilla achievments are moslty just progression

[fierce hedge]

The thing is, Vanilla has this toom

[opaque grail]

Achievement is just an award for something good you did, something you achieved

[fierce hedge]

Such as Hell, Space, ETC

[lost agate]

Well yes, but i dont agree with vanilla either

[opaque grail]

it doesnt have to be a difficult feat, it can just be for progression

[lost agate]

Or these simple achievements in general

[smoky wagon]

Ok

[opaque grail]

you'll hate tf2 and every valve game

[fierce hedge]

TRUE

[smoky wagon]

[opaque grail]

I like achievements like most people because it makes me feel good and feel like im doing something right

especially in a game like terraria where u dont always know what to do next

[lost agate]

Eh

[smoky wagon]

There should be easy and hard ones

If its just one or the other its kinda bland

look at like shovel knight or hollow knight achievments

[fierce hedge]

Achievements will make the player explore more and try more

[smoky wagon]

some are for just collecting items and defeating bosses, others are difficult challenges

[lost agate]

Achievements didnt exist before 1.3

Or some other version, i dont remember

[smoky wagon]

It was 1.3

Can mods add achievments anyway?

[lost agate]

I heard its kind of buggy

[smoky wagon]

Maybe some like achievment book ingame

That has a list

[lost agate]

That could be done yes, but adding them to the vanilla achievement list is quite something

[opaque grail]

#bugs-read-pins

[hollow shell]

@sick bane Titan Arm and Grand Dad are indirect upgrades to the Slap Hand, as they deal ridiculous levels of knockback

Grand Dad even has "Yeet" in its tooltip

[young fog]

and the titan arms tooltip is "slap hand but better"

[fickle spruce]

@sick bane if u want knockback get grand dad

actually if cosmilite tracers are called elysian tracers then why is cosmilite aegis called asgardian aegis

[hollow shell]

So, that Tracers suggestion

Moon Lord has Tracer's upgrade
(Profaned Guardians, Providence, Sentinels, and DoG happen)
Holiday Moon has Tracer's upgrade b/c Draedon's Forge
(Yharon1 and Darksun happens)
Yharon2 has Tracer's upgrade

yeah I guess Elysian could be moved back a bit

It could be made at an Ancient Manipulator instead of Draedon's Forge, to make it Post-DoG instead of post-Pumpkin/Frost

I'm worried about making it use Ruinous Souls cuz I have beaten Polterghast before Providence before
which would have the problem of making Elysian too close to Seraph
but that might just be my experience, not really indicative of how it's supposed to be played

and making it use Reaper Teeth or some other post-Polter Abyss material could detract from the "Elysian" theme

unless we like
make Eidolon Wyrm drop some spirit/energy material

[queen delta]

I might just make it have ancient manip instead of draedon’s forge

I kinda did it with focus that it’d go on a linear progression

But yeah i might do pre moon events but still post DoG

[queen sail]

Have nerfed elysian tracers have both ruinous souls and divine geodes then

Therefore it’s not a direct upgrade if people do polterchan before providab

[hollow shell]

That works too

[queen delta]

I overhauled my suggestion based off Sors’ idea

Hopefully it does better

Cuz i forgot to copy the old one in case new one doesnt do any good

And shorter suggestions tend to get more attention compared to long ones

[ivory heart]

Eidolian Brick
Dropped from Eidolon Wyrms, the Lunatic Cultist and Moon Lord, and rarely (5%?) by Eidolists. Sprite may be a mixture of Sunplate Blocks and Dungeon Bricks.
Please provide sprite ideas, I will credit you

[quick dove]

i mean

theres voidstone

smooth voidstone and all that crap

[queen sail]

@worn salmon :sproot:s

[worn salmon]

sproot

[young fog]

already suggested iirc

[worn salmon]

oh

unfortunate

tbh

[quick dove]

its been suggested so much at this point i just dont understand why it isnt already ingame

[queen sail]

Because spriting furniture and tiles

[open sphinx]

wait do i have to make true bloody stabber

[radiant meadow]

yes

[left python]

regarding eidolian bricks, they would probably be too similar to stratus bricks

[ivory heart]

Welp, Eidolian Brick suggestion is up.

[worthy fiber]

Yeah Stratus bricks kinda already exist

[ivory heart]

@worthy fiber Stratus Bricks are post-Polterghast

Coincidentally, Polterghast is also fought in the Dungeon

[hollow shell]

You're supposed to fight Eidolon Wyrms after killing Polterghast

[ashen warren]

after

not before

[hollow shell]

I'm sayin
Having two new bricks in the Post-Polter tier could be weird

[placid moth]

Do people make bricks in Post-ML

[hollow shell]

Especially if they're similarly themed
As he's saying they should use Ectoplasm
when Stratus already has a light blue theme

[placid moth]

Usually I'd expect them to just fight bosses till the end

[hollow shell]

Stratus is also crafted using Lumenyl....

so yeah I think he's just suggesting Stratus Bricks lol

[placid moth]

Do Smooth Voidstone blocks generate water

[hollow shell]

Probably not.

[devout seal]

Stratus bricks are neat

[brazen bramble]

can i put wiki suggestions?

and if not, where can i?

[fickle spruce]

stats shouldn't be added to suggestions

[worthy fiber]

Wiki suggestions go to #wiki-basic

[brazen bramble]

and where is that?

[ruby cobalt]

hidden channel accessible by asking literally any mod

goes to show who reads #info and who doesn't

[brazen bramble]

tbh i never knew hidden channels are a thing on discord so there's that, thanks

[radiant meadow]

you should be able to see it now

B)

[brazen bramble]

thanks

[smoky wagon]

You can always put the rage/adrenaline upgrades in autotrash

[warm tinsel]

I like how people actually want to see a teaser

[pliant bone]

Imagine a Teaser that is actually teasing

[fervent sky]

Thoughts on my suggestion?

[terse sundial]

I don't understand its purpose

[wooden leaf]

why

[terse sundial]

why specifically

[fervent sky]

Lemme add that real quick, I forgot about that

Done 👌

[terse sundial]

I don't know, it feels like it had to many gimics and parts to it

Bars would have to be made into ammo, projectiles would have to be sprited for each bar type.

[wooden leaf]

basically a donator weapon tier

[terse sundial]

not even

[civic pond]

Bar ammo

wtf

[terse sundial]

It's a lot of work for a gimic, most Donar weps atleast make sense cough Ataraxia cough

[civic pond]

[radiant meadow]

it's not like that tier needs a ranged weapon

there's like 10 of them

[terse sundial]

^

[queen sail]

Didn’t thorium make something like this already

As a donor item

[terse sundial]

[radiant meadow]

the only non-conventional ranged weapon I remember from Thorium is webgun

[wooden leaf]

and the charged paintball gun

[queen sail]

Yup

https://thoriummod.gamepedia.com/Mineral_Launcher

:thenperish:

[civic pond]

[civic pond]

hmm

what if you spam that hotkey

[glacial lagoon]

There's a seperate mod for that

Idk the name but levi uses it

[gloomy hazel]

I too would like to translate most of Calamity's content into French, but what would be the requirement for me to be allowed to do so?

[radiant meadow]

iirc, Fab wasn't interested in translations

[young fog]

it would be good for people who don't natively speak english tho

[tired haven]

Well obviously duh

though for example as russian I never was interested in vanilla translation because it was steaming pile of shit

[frail mantle]

didn't the vanilla translations use Google Translate or some shit

[tired haven]

Pretty much, despite admitedly "using a dedicated translator team"

[delicate raft]

I've already got most of Calamity's content translated to spanish in a doc

[queen delta]

Did fab approve the translation idea yet?

Otherwise seems like a waste of time to do that prematurely

[ruby cobalt]

tl;dr for translations - you do it, it gets in if it's good, no source access given

I've had a talk with him about it

[queen delta]

ah

[delicate raft]

Yes, I did waste my time doing it ig

But I was on holidays anyway, I had nothing to do

[gritty crow]

I just put a suggestion in the channel, if anyone wants to discuss ping me and I’ll come on back

[ruby cobalt]

@gritty crow nobody's gonna do dragon-type summons though, that's the problem

[gritty crow]

I suppose that’s true, but can you imagine trying to avoid the explosions of 10 summons at once? That would get complicated... any other ideas on how to balance that?

[tired haven]

Is the dragon-type the same as just buffing up minion tho?

Just wondering

[bitter drift]

@fervent sky
sorry to pin you but there is a problem with what you say

1. the coin gun isn't even a weapon by status (yes it function like a gun but it isn't a gun)
   if there was a bullet that does no damage and this gun could shoot it it would do nothing 0 damage a shot
   so why it is range? because the bullets are range
   so what we should be doing is making good ammo types for this gun

[tender tree]

thats why he gave bars stats lol and, coins dont have damage numbers

[bitter drift]

yes they do (at least the ammo of the coin gun is coins) so maybe when you have the gun they have damage

[mental path]

more like unfriendly fire amarite

he means the damage is not stated in the tooltip

[fervent sky]

The bars would deal ranged damage, since that's what coins do as well, but the gun itself wouldn't have a set base damage, like the coin gun.

[queen sail]

So basically the thorium ore gun but with bars

[civic pond]

[bitter drift]

[gritty crow]

[ashen warren]

Dosen't the Darksun tier need more ranged weapons?

because i had a hard time with that in my last preview

and who the hell wants to craft the dratormous or whatever the hell its spelled

[frail mantle]

drat isn't darksun tier tho

it's exo tier

[smoky wagon]

Onyxia is the only new darksun weapon i think

[frail mantle]

it's at least the only Ranged Darksun weapon

[smoky wagon]

Yeah thats what i meant

[radiant meadow]

chicken cannon is darksun tier

[lost agate]

Technically yes

[frail mantle]

true

[smoky wagon]

i was thinking of weapons crafted with darksun fragments

[smoky wagon]

Honestly there are alot of potential armor sets

unholy cores and the sentinels drops could work

As could a plague-themed armor set

[hollow shell]

@wraith adder "flares"?

[radiant meadow]

a minimal lag variant of the mod?

[wraith adder]

let me get a quick example

[hollow shell]

Do you mean literal Flare Gun flares?

Cuz that's a bit specific

[wraith adder]

See the fire sparks around the beam?

[hollow shell]

Ah

[radiant meadow]

is that ataxia armor?

[hollow shell]

Well, those would still be classified under "particles"

[wraith adder]

particles can be projectiles too, though, can't they

[frosty kindle]

i think its something along the lines of having less lighting updates if possible

[hollow shell]

Nah

Any particle-only projectiles are just invisible projectiles that emit particles

Particles themselves can only be aesthetic

[wraith adder]

i'm extracting the mod unless the mod has source/dlls hidden and i'm gonna take a peek at stuff like that gun and the queen boss because she lags a lot

[sterile moon]

i agree with hazel here, calamity is (for me) so laggy at times i have never completed it due to lag during boss fights especially yharon and Scal, and the lag in the early game and mid game really discourage me from going on.

[hollow shell]

oof

also Queen Bee??

[wraith adder]

no, I'm bad with names and it's been a long day

[hollow shell]

Providence?

[wraith adder]

i think providence?

[frosty kindle]

the only times i had severe lag issues was DoG in older versions of calamity

[wraith adder]

she's very bright and spawns one hudnred things on the floor

[civic pond]

actually those molten globs lag me..

..

[hollow shell]

Well those globs are projectiles

I don't even think they emit dust

[wraith adder]

they're bad and they cause lag

[hollow shell]

Providence herself does emit dust tho

[wraith adder]

she might be emitting enough dust that it's why things are chugging but I didn't attach dottrace during that fight

[sterile moon]

hazel have you ever fought yharon?

[wraith adder]

not yet, because fishron currently crashes tmodloader64 with my setup for reasons i'm not entirely sure on and I've heard fishron and yharon share some things

lemme finish the dumb behind the scenes stuff i'm working on and i'll go make the summon item

[civic pond]

their attack styles are somewhat similar

[sterile moon]

ok

what is the laggiest you have ever been on a boss fight and what boss?

[wraith adder]

under 3fps during providence

[sterile moon]

same here

about 1-5 if im lucky

[hollow shell]

Definitely old DoG for me.
I haven't gotten too laggy as of recently

[wraith adder]

god the worm bosses are trouble

[civic pond]

the only thing thats ever caused me lag from the devourer is its laser walls

[sterile moon]

dog is unbeatable for me

[wraith adder]

The modder has chosen to hide the code from tModReader. The modder has chosen to hide resources (ie. images) from tModReader. well there goes anything I can do legit

[hollow shell]

Laser walls were recently redone to not cause nearly as much lag

[frosty kindle]

my laggiest was old DoG

the updates however worked wonders for me

[hollow shell]

also yeah Fab does not like his source to be leaked or seen by anybody outside of devs / wiki editors

[sterile moon]

does tmod64 help with lag?

[frosty kindle]

now the laggiest weapon is gale due to the intense amount of lighting updates and lots of dust effect from the exo-nadoes

[sterile moon]

is there anyway to reduce those lighting updates?

[radiant meadow]

the arrows are just dust

[wraith adder]

i could make lighting upgrades absolutely hilariously rare

then you'd probably have to play with cheat sheet lightmod

[sterile moon]

do you use your map?

[wraith adder]

i have the directional skills of a turtle that's been on a turntable so yes

[civic pond]

oh thats wonderful

[sterile moon]

ive heard turing it off reduces lag

[wraith adder]

not noticably but i'm about to do a build of tml64 to do a max dust of like 15

instead of 6000

[sterile moon]

how do you turn that down?

[wraith adder]

gotta have a decompilation

[frosty kindle]

if only gale arrows were sprites and not dust

[wraith adder]

Main.maxDustToDraw = (int)(6000f * (Main.gfxQuality * 0.7f + 0.3f)); ooh

[hollow shell]

(15's a bit low ain't it)
(could do like 100 or 200)

[wraith adder]

the current minimum is 1000

[hollow shell]

is gfxQuality the "Quality" setting in the settings?
That affects dust?

[wraith adder]

Yes.

[hollow shell]

Huh

[frosty kindle]

well that's useful

i can set dust to 0

[wraith adder]

i can do stuff like that but i don't know if music works on my decompilation yet

[civic pond]

i bet there's more swords than dust particles

[wraith adder]

why do you have 6002 swords

the 6001th dust is there in case something tries to append one dust to the 6000 dust limit

[civic pond]

thats a shame

[carmine stream]

6001th

[hollow shell]

@ashen warren I'm late, but could you add a "Why" to your suggestion?

I'm all for more armor sets but it'd be good to have some more reasoning
(and more specificity)

@carmine stream Could add "instead of copper" somewhere in there

Thank you sir

[carmine stream]

Np

[hollow shell]

(lol)

[carmine stream]

darn autocorrect

[radiant meadow]

@ashen warren that's not happening
with such a large server, allowing normal people to change their nicknames would be difficult to manage and may lead to undesirable nicknames that may break rules
whether it be nsfw, offensive, etc.

if you want your nickname changed, you can ask a moderator (like me)

[queen delta]

can ya change my nick to [REDACTED]

meme channel

[proven tide]

meme channel

and a self-star

[radiant meadow]

@ashen warren also not happening
It's happened in the past
again, with such a large server, it's difficult to manage and moderate
It was stressful for moderators before when the server was smaller
Neither owner will let it happen again.

[ashen warren]

damn

no meme channel

:((((

maybe master yo-yo bag???

[arctic wren]

300% increased yoyo damage

[dusty stirrup]

That looks op as fuck

Jesus christ

[ashen warren]

I know its a bit much

[dusty stirrup]

Yoyo bag is already good enough as is

[ashen warren]

Y'all can tweak that xD

[arctic wren]

how about this

[ashen warren]

made it a bit more balanced

[arctic wren]

make the yoyo bag require cosmilite and then put in something that isn't as strong as a post-dog accessory in it's early hm place

[dusty stirrup]

Good idea tbh

[arctic wren]

because frankly having all yoyos be either really weak or really good without/with the yoyo bag is ... not good to say the least

of course there'd be balancing so that yoyos would be viable without the bag but still
yoyo bag does not need a buff

[dusty stirrup]

Exactly

[ashen warren]

I mean make a second yo-yo bag for end of the game

[calm spade]

but we need a darksun tier yoyo

[dusty stirrup]

Still too strong lol

Then suggest a darksun tier yoyo like 10231 other people

or wait until it happens

[proven tide]

All yo-yo’s in recipe circle around you tightly with each hit doing 500-600 damage

[dusty stirrup]

Don't suggest a busted acc

[proven tide]

azathoth

[arctic wren]

it's probably the strongest offensive accessory in the vanilla game, just for a weak weapon class

[proven tide]

[ashen warren]

sorry my suggestions are a bit bad xD

[radiant meadow]

[dusty stirrup]

You gotta think more about your suggestions before posting them like that

[radiant meadow]

I recommend posting it in here first for feedback

so you can tweak it a bit before posting it in #suggestions-voting

also, I saw that

[arctic wren]

I imagine someone is gonna donate for a darksun yoyo eventually tbh

[proven tide]

hey it was you who first made me realise selfstarring was bad this is your fault

strikethrough irony makes everything legal

[radiant meadow]

bruh, it's been like half a year and I only just got tmod then

[proven tide]

YOU ARE TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR PAST ACTIONS

James Gunn: first time?

[proven tide]

:massacred: when

[ashen warren]

We got memes up ahead

[hollow shell]

@wooden flower Hey.

[wooden flower]

Layed my phone on my lap, largest of apologies

[hollow shell]

It's cool

[dry stag]

I like the tin/copper idea

[queen sail]

@mystic sandal Two words

Ion

Blaster

[mystic sandal]

oh

[queen sail]

If anything you shouldn’t be suggesting for there to be an adamantite ver of the tutanium railgun

[proven tide]

ion blaster is also made with titanium

[queen sail]

But rather a titan—

Oh

Well fuck

[bitter drift]

maybe a different gun all well

[bitter drift]

1. is a railgun similar to a minigun
2. can you change a weapon stats based on damage taken/health healed

[zenith hazel]

railgun is pretty different from a minigun, not too sure about the second one's complexity

[bitter drift]

like can you change a stat of a weapon when you get hit / healed

[ashen warren]

im like why change ds when its goddamn weakness is grenades+

[void kelp]

death ds can be cheesed in the exact same way as any other difficulty

it’s just that it accelerates at lower HP meaning that you have to.. gasp. jump over it or something if it jumps up to your platform

[signal prairie]

Whenever ds gets low on hp, he stays ahead of you with you using Hermes boots+ to keep up with it, I've had him on several occasions just do a complete 180 and kill my ass. Grenades are something that people use because they are fed up with ds. Just because people like to cheese bosses doesn't mean everyone does.

[ashen warren]

Deathmode DS is immune to explosives, so...

No cheese.

You just gotta beat it.

Any hook with not even that well made arena does the trick.

[signal prairie]

DS isn't supposed to be a boss thats about pure RNG on the last 33% of his hp

[ashen warren]

But like , minishark+flash rounds still shred

Every boss has some weaknesess. Experiment.

[signal prairie]

Just because ranged is broken doesn't mean everyone uses it on a Deathmode run

[ashen warren]

I use summon, so.

Slimes.

[marsh gust]

coral sprout?

[signal prairie]

No, melee

[ashen warren]

Marnite spear?

[marsh gust]

well theres your problem melee isnt that good early game

[ashen warren]

^

[signal prairie]

Spear doesn't reach far enough

[ashen warren]

Try icy blade.

Or enchanted sword.

If you can find one.

[signal prairie]

Ice blade and enchanted sword don't do enough dps

[ashen warren]

Or flail.

Ball o'Hurt from Corruption.

[signal prairie]

Crimson world

[ashen warren]

Meatball.

Craftable pre boss.

iirc.

No wait it's not.

Brrrruuh

Can also try Anchor.

Fishing is rather simple.

Hardmode item smh

Oh god, how long have I not played this game for?

Seashell boomerang is best

You might also try to farm Underworld blades from demons and Bone Serpents.

Tricky to get, but vialbe.

[marsh gust]

afaik the only thing that does dps is seashell boomerang and even with that you need a large arena so you can stack the boomerangs on the worm.

[ashen warren]

And you can get Victide armor pre boss with Cnidrion grinding. So... Boomerang + Victide armor bonus = dead Death DS

OH WAIT

HES STILL WEAK TO GRENADES

[ruby cobalt]

yes, he is

[ashen warren]

WAT.

Well, that's broken.

Af.

[frail mantle]

DS dies to a platform above the desert, a piercing weapon and jumping over it when it goes nyoom

[bitter drift]

more like a yeet

[dry stag]

DS is super weak to coral spout

[ruby cobalt]

DS is weak to literally anything that pierces

or hits multiple segments

[tired haven]

Even flare gun gives you like 150 dps on him purely by flame DoT lel

Every grenade would be like 500

[ruby cobalt]

firestorm cannon

[zenith hazel]

wha

[glad thunder]

Idek, I’m assuming English isn’t their first language

[zenith hazel]

I mean it's a pretty good concept for a gun, I just don't understand the reasons other than giving the railgun titanium railgun an adamantite alternative

[bitter drift]

in terraria it's amazing in calamity it's a war pig referring to the titanium and adamantine bars

[frail mantle]

I’m still confused

What do you mean “war pig”

[bitter drift]

i don't understand why in terraria such a good bar/ore (titanium) is trash

[tired haven]

war pig sounds like meatwall context wise tbh

[zenith hazel]

titanium isn't trash what

titanium armor is god damn amazing

and I've looked it up, war pig is a person that supports warfare

[tired haven]

Btw if we are talking about underused materials it would be chlorophyte bars, literally 1 item or so in calamity is crafted with these

[bitter drift]

war pig: coming from tf2 (yes i put a lot from this game) in that game it's a hat that when you were it says i think i'm much better then what i really i'm
this is basically titanium in this mod people using it think it is good but it is trash in reality
and it's sad i love this bar

[zenith hazel]

you could've made it clearer

[bitter drift]

you don't use the armor nor any weapons not any other thing that isn't the pickaxe

[pliant bone]

Wai how is it tf2 related

[bitter drift]

[tired haven]

A phrase

[zenith hazel]

you do use the armor, what

[bitter drift]

no i don't

[zenith hazel]

a lot of people do

[bitter drift]

no one ever do that you are just as good with palladium or the gel armor of slime god

[zenith hazel]

titanium has the shadow dodge, which is a godsend

[frail mantle]

Titanium Armor is

[bitter drift]

beside it is also nurfed to the ground

[zenith hazel]

it's way more powerful than you think

[frail mantle]

Titanium armor is still pretty strong, even though it’s nerfed

[pliant bone]

And still a godsend tbh

[zenith hazel]

titanium armor got nerfed? really?

[bitter drift]

yes

[pliant bone]

Its stats boost made more of a difference than the shadow dodge honestly

[bitter drift]

shadow doge is gone

[zenith hazel]

can't find it on the vanilla changes

what? it's still there

[pliant bone]

Yeah shadow dodge is still there

[bitter drift]

should i just made 2 new guns with the same concept

[zenith hazel]

nothing here specifies titanium getting nerfed

titanium is still great

[distant gyro]

it's a rev+ change (30s dodge to 6s); but it's still a good armor nevertheless

[tired haven]

^

[bitter drift]

[zenith hazel]

oh ok then

still a great armor, great bar

[distant gyro]

also railgun as of now is still sick on wet worm

[bitter drift]

not for any weapon ever
so much better weapons

what altix?

[zenith hazel]

AS

the fact that it pierces is great for AS

[bitter drift]

you can craft it on cryogen isn't it pre cryogen tier?

[zenith hazel]

you can craft it as soon as you get enough titanium

[distant gyro]

you can use it on cryogen yes

[bitter drift]

it's sucks not d*** on cryogen any mech boss skelly WoF calamitas planterra lavi so you only use it for AS?

[pliant bone]

I mean, there is a lot of weapons where its use is for AS and sometimes destroyer too only

[distant gyro]

at least the railgun is better than like a needler iirc

[bitter drift]

at least those are sometime on destroyer

[zenith hazel]

it's good for large groups of enemies as well

[bitter drift]

the invasion

[opaque grail]

war pig isnt a tf2 thing

iirc, it's just a general term that means someone that will go out of their way to get into fights

tf2 just uses it cuz of friendlies

[signal prairie]

We need to be able to create our own Artifical Abyss

[opaque grail]

I mean why/how the fuck do you destroy the pre-made one

isnt it like the layers where its position based so it cant go away

[signal prairie]

Well, some people (Like me) are extremely unlucky, to the point where they wish that they could create an artifical abyss just to farm a certain mob. Getting to the 4th layer if/when you die is not easy and is very time consuming. Making an artifical abyss would solve those problems.

[lofty blade]

or just
teleporters

[signal prairie]

To make it fair, the artifical one would have to be created near/past the dungeon and would have to be at least 500/1000 blocks deep and lined with a few layers of abyss gravel or voidstone for it to count as an Abyss. Inturn, any walls placed in the artifical one would generate Water over time so it could fill itsself or they could make Abyssal Gravel walls craftable

[lost agate]

You can just use a teleporter or make a bed on the sulfur sea

Or both

Problem solved

Also, the abyss is heavily dependant on position, so pretty much theres no space at all to make an artificial one

[full bramble]

I spy a soundsmith reference

[bitter drift]

war pig isnt a tf2 thing
iirc, it's just a general term that means someone that will go out of their way to get into fights
tf2 just uses it cuz of friendlies
no that is a war monger or somewhat along these place but not a war pig

[smoky wagon]

Who is saying death mode desert scourge is too hard

Fake people

@signal prairie use the seashell boomerang

The issue isnt the boss its your poor preparation

If you are going to struggle with desert scourge to the point of wanting it nerfed you might not want to do death mode because things get much more difficult then that

[ivory heart]

Soulbound Fury (Ranged weapon)
Made using 150 Ectoplasm, 100 Phantoplasm, 5 Ruinous Souls, and 10 of each soul (Light, Night, Flight, Sight, Might, and Fright).
Fires a homing projectile that pierces seven times, exploding on the eighth hit and dealing damage in a small area. The projectile gets brighter and deals more damage per hit, becoming its brightest and dealing the most damage after its seventh hit.

[smoky wagon]

Recipe seems excessive

[ivory heart]

It’s grindy but it’s powerful

Maybe it fires three projectiles?

[smoky wagon]

Making an item take that much materials doesnt make it more valuble

[zenith hazel]

pre-DoG?

[smoky wagon]

The functionality should be the focus

If it needs that much grinding its more likely people wont use it

[ivory heart]

So 50 Ectoplasm and 25 Phantoplasm?

[smoky wagon]

thats fine

[ivory heart]

Now onto the souls

[zenith hazel]

one can imagine how good it would be for DoG

[ivory heart]

10 of each, including flight

[smoky wagon]

The other materials are fine

though they should make sense for the weapon

[ivory heart]

I have to go to school

[smoky wagon]

Maybe it should be souls of fright considering its a spectral-type weapon

[shut tide]

It seems to be a powerful and unique weapon, but I don’t think that ranger needs another pre-DoG weapon

Seadragon is already an amazing gun

[zenith hazel]

there are plenty of options, yeah

[smoky wagon]

More pre-DoG weapons never hurt

the pool is rather shallow

[zenith hazel]

daemon's flame, seadragon, sulphuric cannon, etc.

[placid moth]

Do people actually use sulphuric acid cannon

[smoky wagon]

Melee could use a 4th option imo

[zenith hazel]

people who have good pcs

[shut tide]

I’m doing bows only in Revengeance rn, and it isn’t so bad

[radiant meadow]

seadragon is pre polter

[shut tide]

What bow do you guys think will defeat DoG?

[radiant meadow]

daemon's flame probably

[smoky wagon]

Daemon’s flame

[shut tide]

ok thx

[zenith hazel]

telluric glare could work

could

[shut tide]

And, I’m also banning myself from using blossom flux in this playthrough (I’m on pre-plantera)

[smoky wagon]

i had blossom flux+luxor’s gift in my multiplayer playthrough

[placid moth]

^

[smoky wagon]

It was so good i decided not to use it

It made the game boring

[placid moth]

Is luxor's gift usable in hardmode

[radiant meadow]

remember that this is #suggestions-discussion

[smoky wagon]

luxor’s gift is incredibly good

[shut tide]

I tested that thing, and it did pretty much the same damage as phantasm

[smoky wagon]

honestly i think it should be nerfed

it adds so much free dps

[radiant meadow]

unstable prism is more borked that luxor's imo

but don't nerf either >.<

[smoky wagon]

luxor’s almost double the dps of some weapons

[shut tide]

About the plague weapons using plague bees, I think that’s a good idea

[smoky wagon]

it doesnt come across as balanced

[placid moth]

Why is it I haven't heard of many of these accessories

[smoky wagon]

They are newly added

[radiant meadow]

I think Luxor's is stronger early game and prism is stronger at the very end

[smoky wagon]

Also luxor’s doesnt work with a ton of vanilla weapons and it works with some weapons that dont shoot projectiles

[radiant meadow]

prism also lags the fuck out against doggo

[placid moth]

Does Prism work well with The Swarmer ?

[radiant meadow]

most likely, yes

prism works well for many things DoG is not one of them

[placid moth]

I see.

[lost agate]

Luxor gift and unstable prism are kinda opposites
Luxor is very useful early on since it adds projectiles to weapons that dont have them or dont have many projectiles, it starts lacking later on since you start going ballistic near endgame
Prism on the other hand aint too surprising early on since your crit chance is very low, but near endgame you can even reach 100% crit chance with stuff like soma prime

And yeah, luxor doesnt work on some vanilla weapons since they dont use the normal shoot method or smth like that

[zenith hazel]

do flares technically count as flamethrower ammo?

[bitter drift]

IDK

i tried to ask

[zenith hazel]

it doesn’t really work that way

flammable things that burst into flames when shot out iirc

[bitter drift]

there are some that think flares are not any damage type

[zenith hazel]

yeah they are

[bitter drift]

even the wiki doesn't give any info

i think of making a doc of more flare ideas should i?

[zenith hazel]

firestorm cannon isn’t classified as a flamethrower, how would this make any more sense?

[bitter drift]

so what it is?

[zenith hazel]

the fact that it uses flares alone should be enough to say it doesn’t work like a flamethrower

it’s an unclassified type

[bitter drift]

so what is a flare gun is
gun?

[worthy fiber]

Unclassified

[bitter drift]

so i'll make it that

here changed

[placid moth]

I would really like to correct some of that English ngl, and what's the point of adding additional classless weapons anyway ?

Unless they have a really specific role in Lunic Eye, Golden Gun

[zenith hazel]

it’s like ranged but not really

[radiant meadow]

flamethrowers consume gel

[bitter drift]

ya...

[zenith hazel]

imagine a firestorm cannon but not

[distant gyro]

isn't flare gun a classless tool-ish weapon?

[radiant meadow]

firestorm cannon doesn't consume gel

flare gun is a tool, not a weapon

[bitter drift]

flare guns are dumb

[placid moth]

Flare Gun, for me, is exploration.

[zenith hazel]

yeah, hence unclassified

it’s like star cannon, no one knows what it is

[distant gyro]

its main purpose is a tool yea

[placid moth]

I think it's more practical to suggest more light range, or even phasing through blocks

[distant gyro]

It's like how you could consider a broken wooden hammer a weapon when it's a tool

[bitter drift]

if i will choose to make more flares/flare guns i'll make a phasing one

[zenith hazel]

who said it was a tool in the first place

[bitter drift]

ya

it's just used as a tool more then a weapon

[winged ice]

Cosmic weenie lmao

[faint monolith]

Thank you, thank you

[indigo terrace]

should i use god slayer armor for yhron?

[faint monolith]

I try

[distant gyro]

wait why ask here

[bitter drift]

yes

[indigo terrace]

ok

[zenith hazel]

DoG p2 is an endurance fight in itself

[distant gyro]

ye answer is yes btw

[faint monolith]

Isn’t the point of Calamity masochism, though

[distant gyro]

wait what

[bitter drift]

the sentinel phase is the only place i get the Arcanum from (CV's accessory

[zenith hazel]

or you can just kill CV separately

[bitter drift]

easier to kill him in DoG's fight

[zenith hazel]

also, last time I checked, sentinels only drop healing pots now

[distant gyro]

money and pots iirc; nothing else

[bitter drift]

in my last run they still dropped stuff just not the normal stuff