Its freaking pre ML smh
#suggestions-discussion
lost agate
delicate raft
I mean, you can always change that
smoky wagon
I assumed it would be moved to be obtained elsewhere
lost agate
Yeah but what do you win from doing that? An old sprite?
terse sundial
DRemote is just a unique challenge, that's how it will stay
smoky wagon
cyan lagoon
@wooden cedar what do you mean?
cyan lagoon
I dont think it'll turn out well if its suggested
lots of griefing potential with it
hollow shell
You should clarify that you mean a music bot
audio channel
because the art server has a "music channel" for sharing music that you've created
Don't want you to be misconstrued
radiant meadow
I thought art server at first
queen delta
50 forbidden fragments? 
hollow shell
Christ
radiant meadow
Also, Danny doesn't like bots if he can't contact the bot creater
Also, I think you'll have a rare bottle or two by the time you get a banner 
hollow shell
@slate crown You could make that 20 Forbidden Fragments and 5 Elementals in a Bottle, as that would be the amount you'd get for killing enough Sand Elementals to statistically get a Rare (20 of them)
queen delta
Tbh, 10 fragments and 2 elementals in a bottle is enough since fragments can be used for other stuff
hollow shell
True
queen delta
It's not too excessively grindy
radiant meadow
For what you get, it is excessively grindy
hollow shell
@left python You don't actually say
what the "Boss Rush Centerpiece" is
Also, there are pauses in between the bosses
The pause between Yharon and DoG is like 10 seconds
left python
ah, i should really think these through before i post them
civic pond
radiant meadow
Also, phm boss rush is a nice surprise
sick bane
radiant meadow
Like Eidolon Tablet
hollow shell
sick bane
Mmm
hollow shell
Also, is part of your suggestion that Terminus would be removed from the shrine?
radiant meadow
Yes
hollow shell
Doesn't say it directly (it should)
left python
it says that yharon would be the only way of obtaining it
radiant meadow
He wants Terminus replaced with bootleg bed
hollow shell
You can leave it up
There's an idea there
Remove Why 3 though because it's inaccurate
left python
that's true, i'll try to think over my suggestions before i post them again
sick bane
Is there a crafting material or station pre plantera but post mech bosses?
left python
thanks for the feedback yall
radiant meadow
Unholy cores
sick bane
How do you get those?
hollow shell
Usually something uses all three mech souls if it wants to be in that tier
but Unholy Cores also works, yes
sick bane
Oh
hollow shell
Only minable with Pickaxe Axe
sick bane
Ok
hollow shell
Actually, Chlorophyte fits there too
sick bane
Where do you mine them?
No, ik
I was gonna make a homing arrow on the same tier as chlorophyte
hollow shell
ah
sick bane
But not out of chlorophyte cause that's taken
hollow shell
Unholy Cores are made with Charred Ore in the Brimstone Crag
radiant meadow
Brimstone arrows?
hollow shell
Guess so.
radiant meadow
Unholy cores probably
sick bane
Ok
hollow shell
Makin em out of the ore itself would be weird
hollow shell
Unholy Core
sick bane
Thanks
hollow shell
np
sick bane
I made brimstone arrows and bullets; tried to balance their ability and damage. What do y'all think?
hollow shell
Well
the bouncing bullets thing is already taken care of by Meteor and Superball bullets
sick bane
True, but I figured brimstone bullets should be like chlorophyte arrows
How should I fix it?
hollow shell
Real quick
does "(one if you can't do that)" refer to how many seconds the debuff will be inflicted?
sick bane
Yes
hollow shell
You can do half a second.
sick bane
Ok
hollow shell
I'm not sure what kind of concept bullets don't have taken care of
They've got a lot goin for them
I guess another bouncing one is fine, good for Chlorophyte equivalence
grizzled abyss
oh to respond to what you said before
hearty spade
Maybe something like "the more they bounce the more powerful they are"?
sick bane
Maybe, but chlorophyte arrows only bounce once, so I already bumped that up
Two ramps up in power are kinda useless
hearty spade
It doesn't need to be a 1:1 reference
grizzled abyss
It did in fact happen
sick bane
Fair enough
grizzled abyss
i made a post before
hollow shell
Aight how about
It only bounces once
but
the initial bullet is weak, but gets pretty powerful after bouncing once
so it rewards ricochets
sick bane
?
grizzled abyss
and it got sent over
sick bane
Oh
hearty spade
Yeah that's what I was thinking about too
grizzled abyss
but my post wasnt given the second time sent treatment for some reason??
Book Mimic
A simple enemy for Pre HM dungeon. Has a chance to spawn upon breaking books in the dungeon. Will bounce and at the player like a chest mimic. Rare chance to drop a waterbolt. (Thanks to sal in the art server for some part of the idea)
This would make running to the dungeon and going for a waterbolt in a bunch of worlds right at the start much more dangerous, and therefore, something less likely to be done.
this was the first one
hearty spade
Maybe increase both size and damage after the first ricochet?
hollow shell
And speed too
for full upgrade
grizzled abyss
its also my first message here
hollow shell
and yeah I don't know what to do about the Book Mimic thing
I could just delete the original one in the dev server, because this new one is a redone version
hearty spade
That would make up for the difficulty of aiming while ricocheting
Sounds good to me
sick bane
I said speed and damage
hollow shell
Goodie.
sick bane
Anything for the arrows?
hearty spade
Size is kind of a "new" thing, I'd add that in too
sick bane
Kek
grizzled abyss
hmm
hollow shell
Well bullets are already small
grizzled abyss
i guess
hearty spade
That would make them really different from other bullets, that's what I mean
sick bane
Mmm
hollow shell
Might be weird making it size up in any way that'd have an impact
It'd just be an aesthetic thing
sick bane
It's still neat
hearty spade
It could very well just be an aura around the bullet
sick bane
And it shows it increased in speed and damage
hearty spade
Or something like that
grizzled abyss
i was just wondering if it would get the
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thing
or if it would be considered new?
sick bane
Idk
terse sundial
I'd say it's new enough
grizzled abyss
the only real revision is the improved wording and the more thought out drops
fair enough
sorry to bother ya
hollow shell
I feel like if it is actually the same suggestion but with improved wording and stuff
then it'd get resent
as like, a revision to your prior one
I'll delete the original one in the dev server
grizzled abyss
ok, thanks
sick bane
Did I need and buff the damages of the bullets ok?
And arrows
I tried to sort of compensate for the lack of homing with the bullets
hearty spade
It's good imho
sick bane
Fantastic
hearty ermine
how often do the mods send suggestions to devs?
hollow shell
It's
inconsistent
hearty ermine
thats fine its not like mods are paid
hollow shell
heh
civic pond
what are the chances of us getting :squint: in this server to use
even pizza dolphin had its time
cyan lagoon
pizzadolphin wasn't supposed to be here to begin with
and besides, emotes have to go through to the owners permissions (mostly Danny)
left python
i think i did a better job at clarifying my suggestion this time, if anything sounds bad, please tell me how i can improve.
tight gorge
I'll read it after I eat
civic pond
i dunno i think squint would be good here
zenith hazel
someone get ein in here
radiant meadow
request was denied
radiant meadow
something to do with Gama and morp didn't want it I think
not sure on the specifics
queen delta
gusty geode
Why aren't the bars placeable tbh
They get suggestions for that on like a monthly basis, I think it's pretty clear people want it
radiant meadow
because it's not a high priority thing?
maybe the submitted sprites weren't good enough 
frank stratus
frank stratus
sadness
hollow shell
Strange that it hasn't been done yet
I swore it was actually considered by the devs and like, planned to get in, at some point
radiant meadow
ye, someone submitted them in art
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/459252132068065280/564087733635645450/PlacedCalamityBars.png
frank stratus
oh
radiant meadow
guess they went untouched since it was like 2 months ago
frank stratus
at least the palette is good but theyre a bit light
tight gorge
Let's see
Victide/Aerialite/Cryonic/Perennial/Chaotic/Life/Meld/Uelibloom/?/?/Cosmilite
void kelp
the light blue rocky looking one is probably frigid
tight gorge
I forget those exists to be honest
dusty stirrup
The bottom right one is Demonshade while the one to its left is Cosmilite
hollow shell
@charred ridge I wouldn't really say Spider is better than Daedalus atm
Daedalus grants the gravity flip and a movement speed buff too, and the free minion (albeit with one less slot)
The damage different is negligible
tight gorge
Gravity flip is irrelevant next update though
hollow shell
Should Daedalus be more noticeably better? Maybe
Cuz Daedalus is Post-Cryo whereas Spider is Post-WoF
queen delta
Daedalus is better than spider armor
smoky wagon
daedalus is getting higher stats next update
queen delta
More consistent damage, and I beat calamitas with it the first time i switched from spider to daedalus
tight gorge
I just hope the buffs make the gap between it and Reaver armor less noticeable
queen delta
After over 25 deaths to calamitas with spider
charred ridge
wooden cedar
lol
radiant meadow
the siren visuals are already controlled by visibility
Are you suggesting ice shield not show up at all if you're not siren?
frank stratus
i think so
queen delta
Yeah I’d prefer that
hot zephyr
tawny minnow
Ah nice
Ty
Just checked it
Not really CALAMITY art but alas
Unless there's a channel specifically for that and I haven't seen it but alas
tawny minnow
I did.
proven tide
And not leave it at that?
tawny minnow
One dev commented on it and didn't say whether would he do it or not
proven tide
Cross-compatibility is a two-way street
The SoA devs would also need to drop their two-cents' worth into the mix
placid girder
Its prob just a halibut cannon thing
sick bane
Lmao yea
bitter drift
any criticism
zenith hazel
aren't most bosses completely immune to kb?
hollow shell
Pre-Boss weapon probably shouldn't have the unique ability to knock back bosses, which no other weapons share
Just make it do a lot of normal knockback
If it's pre-boss, then normal enemies still post a threat to you, and normal knockback is relevant.
bitter drift
k
hollow shell
👌
bitter drift
any other problems?
opaque grail
I was thinking the price
I've farmed Scourge, and KS at least like 5 times each and I'm nowhere near even 7 platinum
ohhh wait platinum means ORE
bitter drift
PLATINUIME BARS
opaque grail
yeah just make that plat OR gold
bitter drift
opaque grail
and tungsten or silver
bitter drift
said it in another way
opaque grail
but the 10 gel per is also expensive
bitter drift
if they can add that :/
opaque grail
Generally the easiest way to get slime is through KS, but this is a pre boss weapon
bitter drift
or just be underground
opaque grail
Im always underground, its where I spend basically my entire run until I fight KS, and even then I wouldnt get anywhere near enough slime balls for it to be worth it
opaque grail
Killing everything in sight, if you farm slimes, you may get like 100
which is 10 shots
compared to being able to get 10000 shots on a bow with some wood and stone
bitter drift
but when you kill slimes in the fight you get more gel...
opaque grail
But that means a Pre-Boss weapon relies on Bosses to get ammo
Its like saying you cant use the minishark until WoF is defeated
If it's Pre-Boss, the ammo needs to be too
bitter drift
no i mean if you have a bit of ammo for king slime you can get more gel mid fight
opaque grail
But if it's gonna be obtainable before KS, and it's marked as meant for before KS, it should not rely on fighting or having already fought KS
and then there's if you dont continuously farm KS, you'll run out of slime REALLY quick
bitter drift
i'll never make you see right?
you fight king slime you get gel to use mid fight this is first
2nd you will also get money something you will farm sooner or later
opaque grail
For it to be pre boss it needs to be obtainable, usable, and have easily obtainable ammo before bosses
With a cost of 10 per, it wont be one shotting enemies or it'd be OP, so you'll be using 20+ slime per enemy
bitter drift
fram the top or caves of the world
opaque grail
After farming KS a lot, I have about 500 slime
thats 50 shots and im LONG past that stage, going past BoC
bitter drift
ok i'll reduce it to 5
opaque grail
farming caves doesnt have that many slimes...
bitter drift
red mother baby black yellow spiked
opaque grail
yes, they exist
One time I checked how much slime I could get
In 7 in game days, I found 2 mother slimes in caverns, I got 126 slime
bitter drift
you must be really unlucky XD
opaque grail
its not uncommon, I always focus slimes for torches normally
but since torches stack easier I just buy them
and its always around this level, give or take 50
bitter drift
like i get 5 mother slimes for every minuet
opaque grail
You using battle and zerg?
bitter drift
nope
opaque grail
cuz thats genuinely impossible
bitter drift
i'm still pre boss
opaque grail
you're saying every 12 seconds you get the same enemy, kill it, and find a new one
frail mantle
Imo it’d make more sense if it used a special ammo called Compressed Air Tank that’s bought from the Arms Dealer
bitter drift
no it's still a flamethrower
opaque grail
But flamethrowers use slime cuz its flammable, this one shoots air, not fire
bitter drift
also the arms dealer sells arms
not gas
opaque grail
I'd say he's the best person, or to craft with clouds and something
frail mantle
Arms dealer sells Ranged shit
bitter drift
ammo of guns
opaque grail
Arms dealer needs guns to come and most of the time you dont have guns pre KS
bitter drift
yaa
that is also a problem
but just for you to know it is pretty easy to get one pre boss
opaque grail
yeah you can, just bomb a shadow orb/crimson heart
But programming things with intent of proper progression is important
cuz not everybody knows and thinks of bombing them to get guns before ur first boss
bitter drift
useally on eye of cathululululul you bomb one
opaque grail
why him in specific?
opaque grail
pumpler uses illegal gun parts
bitter drift
yas
opaque grail
which requires gun dealer in the first place
opaque grail
also bombing the things around EoC for pumpler makes no sense
none of those 3 are connected
frail mantle
Iirc pumpler is post-Eye cause it needs pumpkin seeds
opaque grail
Pumpler relies on druid and gun dealer, bombing the evil can be done any time, and EoC just makes no sense here tbh
bitter drift
X/
opaque grail
It's just after any boss but KS, for druid
frail mantle
DS doesn’t spawn the Dryad
opaque grail
Ah, ok
bitter drift
it's dryad
frail mantle
iirc any Vanilla boss except Slime makes Dryad spawn
opaque grail
but the point is this is a pre-boss weapon that is either way too expensive or not even pre-boss
zenith hazel
^
even photoviscerator consumes 1 gel per shot and at that point, you can one shot KS
bitter drift
iirc there is no weapon that cost more then 1 bullet/arrow/gel/rocket per shot
bitter drift
one shot = one bullet
this gun shoot 3 times
opaque grail
anyways, yeah no weapon costs more than 1 ammo that I know of either
so we dont even know if this is possible
bitter drift
and i believe this is the only suggestion that asks this question
someone need to find a code for this
proven tide
selF-STAAAR
quick dove
i mean that'd be your family problem not calamity's
proven tide
IIRC she already has anti-cheat mechanisms
red stratus
So many people are using godmode on her; it has to stop.
proven tide
that's their personal problem
red stratus
It's an attack on all the effort Fabsol put into balancing that fight!
It's a mockery of modding!
proven tide
Godmode exists to overlook all of it
To overlook godmode's overlooking puts you back at the start
red stratus
And people are abusing it.
quick dove
that'd be the problem of basically all games that allow that
quick dove
also as biudghjskghdjhfsgf said, its the design meant for it
red stratus
You shouldn't be able to just flip a switch to win.
proven tide
Funnily enough, you can't
red stratus
This is the ultimate final boss fight we're talking about. How can she just let you get away with that?
proven tide
You have to get an entire other system in to flip that switch and that's your choice
quick dove
its their problem if they want to use cheatsheet, the boss is just there
proven tide
¯_(ツ)_/¯
quick dove
it just takes a matter of ''i want to have some fun'' to not use it
but people do, its the design
nothing is gonna stop that
autumn lion
cheating scal's fight 
red stratus
They're already lost... in every game possible they make themselves invincible... the only way to save them is to make anti admin mode/godmode functions.
proven tide
imagine insisting that your playstyle is the only acceptable playstyle
this post was made by the loose progression gang
red stratus
I'm insisting that godmode is not an acceptable playstyle.
And if I ever make a Terraria mod it's gonna have anti godmode functions. But right now I need to finish tuning the anti admin mode system on my Starbound mod.
quick dove
still my bro theres no real way to prevent that,
if i remember correctly even dog had anticheat
but they still find a way to cheat it
quick dove
even i cheated it at one point, its an matter of playstyle
this is a mod after all theres gonna be a mod for everything at this point
autumn lion
anti godmode ain't possible
red stratus
Well I'm going to make my bosses impossible to cheat!
red stratus
SC did it at one point, I don't know why that was removed, but it's possible.
quick dove
hit cap was dum
autumn lion
anti godmode can't be done
red stratus
No, there was literally a time when SC would instantly kill you if you were on godmode.
It needs to be brought back.
autumn lion
i don't think so
signal prairie
She still has that
signal prairie
O rly? Then why did the message that triggers when godmode is enables happen when I was fighting her without godmode hmm?
autumn lion
idk what message you're talking about
red stratus
It doesn't happen anymore, I've seen godmode working on her.
autumn lion
i bet you don't have the lastest version of the mod @signal prairie
brave birch
The anti-godmode I reckon is the sub 100 damage penalty in revengeance or death
brave birch
Meaning only in revengeance does she have the effect where if she were to hit you for less than 300 she'd suspect your cheating.
autumn lion
there's no message in scal for having godmode on
signal prairie
which is a fun af weapon
brave birch
However I wouldn't think any action is taken, and I wouldn't really have the experience for this.
Im basing it off of the wiki.
red stratus
In Cheat Sheet godmode you don't get hit at all.
autumn lion
dog in deathmode is an anticheat by itself Kappa
signal prairie
^ 100% true
autumn lion
you can't go godmode dog if you get hit by it's head
signal prairie
The deathmode changes for all bosses are also in br
signal prairie
all bosses in br are deathmode
autumn lion
i done only one rev playthrough through br but after i kept doing deathmode so i haven't really noticed
signal prairie
DoG vored me when I had 800 hp left, DoG in rev mode when he hits you with the head is like 300 damage, plus the perfs worms are much smaller and storm weaver chases you constantly in br
and br scal hits like a truck, does the same damage she does in death
signal prairie
yep, its br's dirty secret
smoky wagon
Who cares about what their younger siblings do
If they get a false feeling of accomplishment thats on them
radiant meadow
@tawny minnow I understand that you already suggested this in SoA but nerfing another mod's weapon is the responsibility of said other mod, not Calamity.
queen sail
@tawny minnow Calamity and SoA have no planned compatibility atm
You’re better off suggesting this in the SoA discord
Also get a larger world
proven tide
he already did suggest it there, and wasn't satisfied with their feedback
queen sail
What did he expect?
To get better feedback for smth Calamity’s not responsible for?
Also anaghmitis really is balanced by the treasure bag
There’s a bunch of dev sets you can get
You can either get dan’s, who has some of the most powerful weapons in the game, or a giraffe hat
Whether or not you get anaghmatis is pure rng
tawny minnow
@queen sail that's why I said if eventually they end up doing that
And? It's still a broken weapon. Just because it's rare doesn't mean it has to be unbalanced
autumn lion
just deal with it
tawny minnow
Of course they're not responsible for it. Just like they weren't responsible for Thorium yet they went and balanced stuff in case both mods were in use
Tch
frail mantle
i mean, i feel like "don't like it, don't use it" applies here
also what Termi said
radiant meadow
no weapons or accessories were nerfed afaik so they weren't broken against Thorium bosses
same for Thorium gear vs Calamity bosses
queen sail
They went for Thorium because Fabsol wanted to
And even then he only gave their bosses Rev/Death scaling
Also
“Rare doesn’t have to mean it’s unbalanced.”
Meanwhile
tawny minnow
Everyone knows about Halibut. It will be balanced. That's not a point
radiant meadow
halibut is done being balanced
queen sail
Going by the tooltip they stopped bothering
radiant meadow
there's no more halibut balancing to be done
queen sail
No matter how many times they nerfed it or made it rare
radiant meadow
it's been nerfed twice, buffed once, and given a warning tooltip
queen sail
It’s literally one of the rarest weapon drops
radiant meadow
oh and made rarer than it was before
queen sail
And the tooltip pretty much implies that they’re done trying to suitably balance it
I quote from the wiki itself,
”This weapon is overpowered, use at the risk of ruining your playthrough”
ashen warren
Upgrade to Nebula Blaze or Arcanum? Just asking to see what I should base my suggestion around.
frail mantle
arcanum imo
radiant meadow
ghastly visage?
quiet abyss
Nebula blaze upgrade would be cool
queen sail
It was considered a single target alternative to arcanum
And nobody really has made a nebula blaze upgrade yet
distant gyro
now a medusa head upgrade or sth cool 
queen sail
TBH
That weapon is amazing and is straight up ignored by mods
Maybe because redcode
quiet abyss
Nebula blaze is a rather medicro weapon imo
Random chance of a super projectile with x3 damage with high mana cost and an accuracy of a chain gun
Even with the homing aspect the weapon seems...underwhelming to me ngl
Though might have been just me
quiet abyss
I wasn't talking about the homing aspect of it specifically
I meant that the weapon as a whole seem a bit underwhelming compared to nebula arcanum, atleast from how I see it
smoky wagon
thought nebula blaze was better vs single targets
queen sail
It was
If you’re keeping moon lord in one place (which probably wasn’t recommended when 1.3 just released) then arcanum would’ve been better
Considering how hellish the fight was, blaze was used because people kept running
quiet abyss
Better against single targets, ye I can agree
I just personally find it underwhelming in terms of visual
You have arcanum shooting those cool orbs with those projectiles orbiting around it
And nebula blaze is just shooting homing dust comets
queen sail
Solar Eruption fires a flail that explodes and has a longer length than moon lord’s possible dick
Daybreak fires spears that idk
Stack debuffs?
ashen warren
I think ye
queen sail
One fragment weapon is going to be overshadowed by another
quiet abyss
Might be just me and my preferences
I find throwing spears cool in general, as well as whip-like flails like solar eruption
smoky wagon
Vortex beater 😭
queen sail
Vortex beater is good but gets completely overshadowed by phantasm
quiet abyss
Phantasm had to be nerfed, what, twice?
queen sail
Yeah
queen sail
It was that broken
radiant meadow
vortex beater got nerfed too
smoky wagon
Lol wht
radiant meadow
vortex beater is pretty good but phantasm definitely has higher dps potential
queen sail
Also mods that use the vortex fragment weapons tend to use phantasm over beater
smoky wagon
I used vortex beater with chlorophyte in vanilla and it was great
radiant meadow
and vortex beater kinda relies on chloro bullets with its bullet spread
quiet abyss
A bit of a shame, tbh
queen sail
Phantasm is just that popular among vanilla endgame sets
Just like how people went nuts over the stardust dragon
quiet abyss
Anyways, back on the suggestion idea
A nebula blaze upgrade huh 🤔
pliant bone
Nebula blaze, a mage weapon I never really touched even in Vanilla
smoky wagon
Its good
queen sail
I never touched daybreak either tbh
It feels underwhelming compared to what solar eruption can do
proven tide
nebula blaze is hot as fuck
queen sail
If you want a mage weapon that never gets touched even in vanilla
proven tide
i used to use it even post-moon lord until i decided that vanilla was boring and installed calamity
proven tide
lel
amber canopy
vortex beter
civic pond
w r o n g
pliant bone
v e r y w r o n g
amber canopy
wrongest??
quiet abyss
Daybreak satisfies my sadism by jamming a bunch of spears into my enemies
And I find throwing spears cool overall, so I like it
full bramble
gungnir 
civic pond
**S t r e a m g o u g e **
full bramble
scarlet devil 
spears are pretty nice yes
totally get throwing tomahawks from black ops
queen sail
Valediction being the Paladin’s Hammer and the Possessed Hatchet in the form of one badass scythe
smoky wagon
Buff possessed hatchet
smoky wagon
Good in vanilla but outclassed in calamity
queen sail
Possessed hatchet and paladin’s hammer were considered opposites in 1.2
full bramble
I never liked the hatchet lol
civic pond
how so?
queen sail
Both were boomerangs that were endgame but had effects that the other didn’t
queen sail
Paladin’s hammer had short range but completely pulverized mob groups
Possessed hatchet had a longer range and could home
Mix those together and you get Valediction
civic pond
huh.
queen sail
Mix those together and you get a viable wep even against dog
civic pond
radiant meadow
valediction is more like possessed hatchet in the end though
with ghoulish gouger being more like paladin's hammer
queen sail
The long range and homing of the hatchet and the ability to infinitely pierce like the hammer made for and extremely powerful weapon
civic pond
ghoulish has infinite piercing too?
radiant meadow
ghoulish gouger ignores i frames too
queen sail
But valediction still has piercing
queen sail
Nobody loves the possessed hatchet
queen sail
Paladin’s hammer had the one of the records in 1.2 for being the weapon to kill the destroyer the fastest
distant gyro
golem fist though
civic pond
but paladins is post destroyer..?
queen sail
It was only beaten by the blizzard cannon with rocket iiis or iv
civic pond
sheit
distant gyro
paladin is post-plont iirc
queen sail
Two shots of a paladin’s hammer with the best melee gear against a newly spawned destroyer with all the segments in one place made it nonexistent
Keep in mind this was all 1.2
None of the celestial gear or the other endgame accessory options existed yet
civic pond
mobile
queen sail
ashen warren
@red stratus Supreme Calamitas is already programmed to punish the cheating players. When you take less than 100 damage from her attacks, she will instakill you. But it seems that doesn't work because of the thing being separate mods.
pliant bone
Eh godmode still works on SCal anyway as it technically doesnt decrease damage taken rather instantly heal back the hp you lost.
That is why you can still be killed if said attack deals much more damage than your max hp in godmode
queen delta
For example: provi’s negative healing flames if your max HP is less than the health lost
queen sail
@red stratus That's your younger siblings ruining their own experience
patent oar
cheat sheet works by healing you if you are touching any entity with contact damage, with no iframes it shows that you dont even get hurt so therefore unless you block healing there is no way to prevent it
also godmode can be useful if you want to practice one attack over and over especially partwayy through the fight, like lets say you struggle on brothers, godmode to brothers and focus on dodging until you feel you are confident you can do that normally
amber canopy
how does hero's mod's godmode work, though?
patent oar
not sure
although most godmodes work similarly
as they cant fully remove damage they have to have healing in there somewhere
amber canopy
also doesn't work on death DoG
queen sail
A full stack of Asthraltite Shards with the maximum amount of life lost from the Asthral Rage debuff from SoA can outdamage godmode's healing effect
queen sail
Forced debuffs
Asthraltite shards always inflict asthral rage if you have them in you inventory
real parrot
it is possible for this suggestion to be implemented
but honestly, it's your siblings' fault that they're using cheats
queen sail
Scal already has anticheese
But also yes
“I’d like to suggest to fix something that is ultimately the user’s fault”
That’s the issue with your suggestion
tender tree
nor fetid bagnaks
gusty geode
Wasn't it a thing that you died instantly if you took less than 100 damage in a single attack
Or was that just on the higher difficulties
distant gyro
yea it's like that, but godmode is an exception; Calamity's Purified Jam is included in this "you're invincible but don't die, only get debuffs"
gusty geode
Hm
Yeah, I agree with that suggestion
SCal screws over every other form of cheese, I don't see why preventing cheating is such a big deal
distant gyro
does that mean you can no longer use puri jam on SCal though, thus making the jam even more unused
gusty geode
Isn't the Jam temporary tho
Could make an exception for that
real parrot
it only lasts for a few seconds
and then you can't use it nor any healing potions for a whole minute
gusty geode
Yeah, that sounds fair
distant gyro
jam has a 30s cooldown btw, not 60
gusty geode
And regarding fixing something that's ultimately the player's choice to do
real parrot
oh, was that changed recently?
gusty geode
Murasama pre-boss, Halibut Cannon, fighting Eidolists in the Abyss to get a Tablet pre-boss and skip the entire vanilla game (which was in fact a thing you could theoretically do before they stopped Eidolists from spawning there pre-hardmode)
All things the player would have to go far out of their way to do, but were nonetheless made impossible to prevent them breaking the game
Don't see how punishing use of god-mode against SCal is any different
patent oar
godmode scal is harder to fix as you have to find a way to recognise any godmode, not mistake it for normal gameplay and then punish it without the godmode blocking it
actually
i think you can just use the same method as DoG head for that
if you collide with it it kills the player instead of inflicting damage
left python
the DoG's head is meant to instakill no matter if they're in godmode or not
patent oar
yeah
its set to run something that kills the player
so technically dog head in death does 0 damage but instead runs a killscript
left python
scal isn't meant to instantly kill the player though, i'm pretty sure considering i fought here some time ago
though i'm not sure with death mode, so i could be wrong
patent oar
this is about a suggestion to ban scal godmode and yeah she doesnt anymore
left python
maybe i'm not understanding correctly, i'll try to clarify myself
patent oar
you used to die if you hit a hitcap but now you just take more damage with no hitcap
ashen warren
Blazing Gauntlet
A post-devourer mage weapon that is an upgrade to the Nebula Blaze. Upon firing it shoots one "Blaze Bomb" a slow projectile that explodes on contact with a block or enemy, splitting into a hexagonal pattern of large Blaze projectiles that home onto enemies. After a Blaze Bomb has been launched, the gauntlet will shoot lesser Blaze projectiles like it's predecessor. These projectiles fire like slightly homing, more faster crystal shards. If the lesser Blaze projectiles contact the Blaze Bomb, it will grow in size and increase speed, giving it a better chance of hitting the target.
The weapon can be used in one of two ways, charging up the bombs to deal massive damage over time, or shooting the bombs elsewhere and using the lesser Blaze projectiles to deal constant but smaller damage.
Why: Vortex, Solar, and Meld factions have upgrades to weapons that suit their class. Summons are hard to do, so that's a valid excuse for not having a summon upgrade. But all Nebula is is boring and outshone.
How dis
fast helm
Yes
real parrot
suggesting a recipe would be good too
elfin maple
hmm
real parrot
since it's an upgrade to the Nebula Blaze weapon, it should be in the Blazing Gauntlet recipe
elfin maple
yea
left python
here's what I'm not understanding: DoG's head is meant to kill players in dmode instantly, regardless of godmode. I'm not sure how scal would kill godmode players instantly without also killing them instantly without godmode
and that looks good, but i'm agreeing on the recipe stuff
elfin maple
if they do that i'm going to find a way to bypass it
real parrot
honestly, it's pretty difficult to detect godmode
elfin maple
yeah
gusty geode
If they take 0 damage from an attack, run /kill
real parrot
first, you have to account for whether they're healing from weapons fast enough
fast helm
aren't they immune to butcher tho
elfin maple
yeah
real parrot
defense and DR should also be considered
ashen warren
The other recipes are literally just, cosmilite and phantoplasm.
It'd take up space
queen sail
DoG’s anti butcher is anti-high damage
elfin maple
because butcher just deals extreme damage like the maximum possible damage i think
queen sail
Vehemence does nothing against him if it does too much
real parrot
DoG has anti-high damage as well
elfin maple
you can delete an enemy/boss
real parrot
it's just if one hit deals too much damage
elfin maple
which can't be bypassed
left python
iirc scal isn't immune to butcher but will say "go to hell" if you do butcher her
fast helm
yeah
elfin maple
if you force their life to 0, they vanish from existence
left python
but i last checked a while ago, so i'm probably wrong
queen sail
She says that if you kill her too fast iirc
real parrot
you're correct about that
frail mantle
from what i've understood, DoG's head in death mode works like this:
if the player's hitbox touches his head's hitbox, the player dies
real parrot
unlike DoG and Yharon, SCal isn't immune to butcher
she simply doesn't drop anything other than hearts
queen sail
I was testing her out while in god mode using op weapons to skip through and check out the phases
elfin maple
there might be a way to bypass the death function
gusty geode
Yeah
Just run the kill script if the player takes 0 or less damage from an attack
frail mantle
doesn't matter what DR, defense or god mode the player has, it's just instant death
queen sail
Right as she died, the anticheese enabled
elfin maple
so the player physically cannot die
fast helm
what if they gave scal a damage cap that was equal to say, 1/10 scal's HP per frame
elfin maple
but that would probably mean modifying vanilla code
frail mantle
afaik there's no physical way to deal or take 0 damage from any attack
at least in vanilla
real parrot
modifying redcode
fast helm
so you could only deal 1/10 scal's HP damage to scal with butcher
left python
i'd imagine people would spam butcher then
patent oar
the only way you can block godmode is by finding a way to recognise and detect EVERY godmode and then instakill the player if it is active however it would be hard to find a piece of memory for every mod that says whether godmode is on or not
real parrot
how the anti-butcher mechanic works is that it just nulls the attack if it deals too much damage
elfin maple
there are many different ways to do godmode
you could set the player's health to maximum every frame
you could prevent them from taking damage
and so on
real parrot
@ashen warren might want to edit your suggestion to include a recipe
left python
i think SCal giving no drops when butchered is a good enough anti-butcher, and if people want to butcher anyway, they'd probably cheat the drops in instead of actually fighting her
elfin maple
having to recognize every single type of godmode would be near impossible
ashen warren
Did you even see my response?
patent oar
most lategame bosses do something where if you attempt to use a super powerful attack that deals more than 1/25 of their health in one hit then they wont drop any items on death
real parrot
that's false
elfin maple
i just use last tantrum instead of butcher
real parrot
the attack gets nulled if you deal more than 1/10th of their max HP in one hit
fast helm
why not make it so
if: player recovers more than 9999 HP in a frame
or
player has more than (insert maximum hp possible here)
then
kill them
elfin maple
there are mods that allow you to increase your max health beyond that
real parrot
elfin maple
making calamity incompatible with those
patent oar
i know scal does it though
elfin maple
yeah
patent oar
thats how you get the "go to hell" message
elfin maple
anticheat causes a lot of issues with mod compatibility
fast helm
yes, but increasing your max health OVER the maximum possible value is impossible
real parrot
false
elfin maple
because a powerful weapon from another mod might be falsely identified as cheating
fast helm
and would roll your hp over to negative
elfin maple
integer overflow
real parrot
what mod would even increase your health that much
patent oar
you dont die
real parrot
actually, you do die
elfin maple
terraria is 32 bit right?
fast helm
yes
elfin maple
so the max health would be the 32 bit integer limit?
fast helm
yes
patent oar
tmodloader does support 64-bit but terraria itself is 32
elfin maple
ok
real parrot
technically, no
fast helm
and going past that would roll it over
real parrot
there's many variables for keeping track of max HP
fast helm
to negative
real parrot
there's the vanilla one that keeps track of vanilla max HP
and another one for modded max HP
elfin maple
one is how much of their max health the player has left
then there's a temporary max health
real parrot
for things such as the lifeforce potion
elfin maple
from things like accessories or potions
and there's a permanent max health
for things like life crystals or life fruits
patent oar
if you drank lifeforce at 32 bit max surely the temporary would just overflow?
mental path
dont you need to check current health for this
elfin maple
if you want to go over 500 you need to create another variable outside of vanilla
real parrot
TML already does that
elfin maple
calamity has to have that
real parrot
TML already does that
fast helm
i assume making your permanent max HP over the 32 bit integer limit would make you die over and over right
elfin maple
ok
well
it would either overflow to a ridiculously large negative number or zero
depending on if it's signed or not
fast helm
both would do the same
elfin maple
yeah
elfin maple
mhm
i'm already used to bending the rules of terraria
i made a pickaxe that can mine chests with items in them
i doubt preventing death would be difficult
elfin maple
yeah
fast helm
what is the lul item
elfin maple
it gives you resistance to damage afaik
i think there is some condition for it to work
patent oar
scal projectiles dont hurt you
but they do still inflict debuffs
that basically what lul does
left python
lul will instantly kill you unless you have a specific name
otherwise it makes you completely invincible
bitter drift
maybe a cell staff upgrade for summon (cuz hallow is buffed so maybe hallowed style)
left python
would someone be able to suggest two items at once if they were something of a corruption/crimson variant?
left python
something akin to different flasks post moonlord
i'll try and flesh out my idea before i suggest it
bitter drift
i know you can suggest more then one item if they have connections
i did it
but type it here let's see what is this new flasks
left python
something like this:
demon flask: flask of fire + flask of cursed flames + calamitas' brew + 3 calamitous essence = demon flask, melee weapons would apply demon flames without needing demonshade armor
i was still working on crimson variant since there aren't any current defense reducing flasks besides ichor
bitter drift
ok but that isn't moon lord
left python
calamitous essence is from scal, i'd consider it post moonlord
or should i just say its an endgame recipe
left python
aight, thanks
bitter drift
crimson
maybe make new flasks and then combine them?
like a marked and broken armor flasks sound cool
and that is with an ! when i started my new melee run
but also i don't think they should be end game
frank stratus
so i was fighting stuff, and i suddenly had an idea: adrenaline builds slowly when you aren't damaging anything, and will build at faster speeds depending on how much damage you're doing scaled by progression
left python
I've put some thought into it, and I can't see adding that many new flasks as an idea that has a possibility of being accepted. I've done some shitty spritework through MS Paint, this look okay?
please tag me if you want to discuss it, chances are i'm not here
not only that, but i'd assume different flasks have been suggested many times before
frank stratus
that is
terse sundial
@dull comet 1) No boss Suggestions
2) Turqs music is on the Calamity Extra Music Mod
frank stratus
a very weird suggestion
gusty geode
Having his mech boss theme (or a remix thereof) play for the Draedon's Remote thing without the extra music mod would be pretty cool tbh
left python
i'm sure it would be a small issue, but turq does own that song technically
dull comet
@terse sundial sorry didn't realize I'm quite new
terse sundial
there is a document in the pins here of what you can and cannot suggest
dull comet
ok
left python
nobody cares too much, i'd just say that you should read the pinned messages of all the channels before you post something in one of them
i made the same mistake, don't feel too bad
terse sundial
suggestionbot is broken rn so I have to put stars on stuff lol
shut tide
Sulphurous sand should have no value, that is agreeable. Very easy block to mine, and the fact that it can make money is strange considering that it’s a terrain block. It would make more sense if it didn’t have a sell price like many other blocks. Plus, how does abyss gravel, a block mineable in hardmode and further, sell for nothing and yet sulphurous sand (obtainable at any time) sells for 8 silver?
queen sail
@bright forge Canon states that she's in an existential deadlock
Her soul is bounded and scattered across the Abyss and piss seas
If you want to free her, go make that happen in a fanfic
proven tide
What if
you fucked up the entirety of both biomes, destroying every single tile of each and getting rid of all the water
what then 👀
fickle spruce
rogue not rouge
zenith hazel
isn’t that just crystalline?
tight gorge
Crystalline just splits no matter what
fast helm
@bright forge
It's actually SiIva, with a capital i, not an L.
zenith hazel
yeah but the concept is pretty much crystalline
civic pond
did i hear a cell staff upgrade
civic pond
mainly because fab hates anything worm related
and stardust is practically the same as mechworm..?
dry stag
It would be pretty op against worm bosses
bright forge
@fast helm oops, typo or cap problem
fast helm
ok
dry stag
What's crystalline?
dry stag
This is a mid-late hardmode weapon, but yeah, it's pretty much the same. Though Quantum Dagger only splits on contact with an enemy.
I think I might have unconsciously based quantum Dagger off of crystalline
ashen warren
Through a fanfic
I think I've read that one before
ashen warren
@clever valley Can we scale down that image a little bit
frank stratus
that is a GIANT sprite lmao
dry stag
That's an awesome sprite
pliant bone
Still, isnt that sprite quite too big?
frank stratus
nah
the sprite is the right scale
but the size of the image is quite large
its a good sprite too hmm
proven tide
wah that's a lot of stats
queen sail
Better idea
Why do we need this?
If the reason is “It’d be a cool thing to add in the mod” or anything similar I can guarantee you it’s not getting in
dry stag
Oh... So that means my suggestion isn't gonna make it?
dry stag
?
sharp helm
Dedus' post
open sphinx
has there been a suggestion on like a bloody stabber yet
terse sundial
Bloody Rupture exist
zenith hazel
^
terse sundial
open sphinx
i mean night's stabber
terse sundial
there is no alt-night's stabber so go for it
open sphinx
ok
dusty stirrup
@clever valley Dark Red is a rarity meant only for patreon items
Not even mentionning how it would be made or why you want it in the game smh
narrow mulch
@tawny minnow dude, you asked us to nerf the Anaghmatis over on the SoA discord already. We're working on it.
Also, you can get rid of the FRF with Cleansing Spray if you really feel the need
boy I sure do love accidentally hitting delete instead of edit
dry stag
Does my suggestion have even the slightest chance of getting in to the mod?
terse sundial
depends
real parrot
if it gets enough ⭐s it will at least be sent to the devs for them to consider
dry stag
Ah
lost agate
Any sort of piercing can be laggy with DoG tbh
severe ivy
the dragon pow doesnt pierce, it retracts per hit
so being right next to it causes it to fire incredibly quickly, compared to using the two that it upgrades from (solar flare line)
lost agate
Well i mean, who in their right mind would be so close to DoG
tight gorge
True Melee users
lost agate
Yeah but dragon pow aint really true melee
tight gorge
True
lost agate
Did suggestion bot die too?
proven tide
yup
neon panther
shucks likes ravager feet confirmed
lost agate
No i dont
lost agate
It justs feels anticlimatic
proven tide
oh hey it's shucks
lost agate
Hey dont post memes here
As i was saying, its just "hey you destroyed a foot and... Nothing happened, cant damage it anymore but the foot is there"
proven tide
only difference is whether or not there's a health bar
lost agate
Yeah
tight gorge
I never payed attention to Ravager's feet
lost agate
And making it look like you actually damage it would be cool
open sphinx
man my sprite looked much better in my head
wooden cedar
so does the checker flag on the suggestion mean its gonna happen? I never actually know what this stuff means?
ashen warren
iirc pins in here
wooden cedar
ah k
distant gyro
contrary to some people's beliefs, reacting to the gray exclamation and others do nothing although people seem to treat it like a flag fsr
bitter drift
asking a question never get an answer
novel pebble
@unkempt falcon No memes and no meme channels
proven tide
@unkempt falcon there are so many layers of no in that
unkempt falcon
it really has been nearly a year though I just had to
proven tide
nah, you didn't
gusty geode
I would support one
But it just needs to be quarantined like a disease outbreak
Keep the memes where the memes should be
But until we eventually get one
There's always the one in the literature server
unkempt falcon
there's a literature server
novel pebble
No it would be a lot of work for mods to keep the memery there
They already have enough
gusty geode
Yeah
I believe the invite is in the art server
unkempt falcon
It's like traversing a maze to the deepest darkest part of the Calamity fanbase
I love it
see the problem is having a meme channel here would make Calamity related memes more prominently pop up
cause I just skimmed through the one there and it's ehhhhhhhhhh
gusty geode
||thanos whale||
bottom text
Yeah
I'm curious what the meme community would do with this mod
But like I said, it'd need to be watched CONSTANTLY
May need to hire a few extra mods if they did that
unkempt falcon
I mean, I'm free, so
open prairie
@unkempt falcon we do not
also >using the literature server for memes
thats not cool to the owner my guy
unkempt falcon
I had a good laugh so I'll take the suggestion down before it actually becomes embarrassing
to be fair
I've been meaning to get back into my writing habits recently
so this is a win/win
open prairie
oh fair enough
bitter drift
sorry not yet
zenith hazel
the main problems with a meme channel would be very toxic kids and really unfunny folks who kill memes faster than when Fab killed the lorde
elfin maple
meme channels are a force to be reckoned with
bitter drift
demon flask: flask of fire + flask of cursed flames + calamitas' brew + 3 Yharon soul fragments = demon flask | melee weapons would apply demon flames (the debuff from using demonshade armor)
flask of pierces: flask of Ichor + flask of broken armor + marked flask + crunch crash flask + 3 Yharon soul fragments = 1 flask of pierces | melee weapons would apply a new debuff (pierces)
this debuff is a mix of the 5 debuffs of this flask (broken armor, Ichor, armor crunch, crush depth and marked)
elemental flask: made by 2 plague flasks + 2 holy flasks + 2 glacial flasks + 2 brimstone flasks = 4 flask mixes | melee weapons would apply (elemental mix) and 5% of inflicting (holy inferno)
godly mix: made by 5 elemental mixes + 5 holy flasks + 5 god slayer flasks + 3 calamitous essences = 5 godly mixes | melee weapons would apply a new debuff (godly attack)
this debuff apply elemental mix, god slayer inferno and 25% to inflict holy inferno
plague flask: made by 10 plague canister scales + 10 water bottles = 10 plague flasks | melee weapons would apply the plague
flask of broken armor: made by 15 titanium ores + 10 bottle waters = 10 flasks of broken armors | melee weapons would apply broken armor
marked flask: made by 10 stardust + 1 water bottle = 10 marked flasks | melee weapons would apply marked for death
glacial flask: made by 25 cryonic bars + 10 water bottles = 10 glacial flasks | melee weapons would apply glacial state
frost flask: made by 50 ice block + 10 water bottles = 10 frost flask | melee weapons would apply frost burn
brimstone flask: made by 10 chard ore + 100 water bottles = 10 brimstone flasks | melee weapons would apply brimstone flame
holy flask: made by 1 divine geodes + 10 unholy essences + 10 water bottles = 5 holy flask | melee weapons would apply holy flames and 5% to apply holy inferno
cosmic flask: made by 1 cosmilite bar + 20 water bottles = 20 cosmic flasks | melee weapons would apply god slayer inferno
crunch crash flask: made by 30 lizard brick and + 30 abyssal gravel 10 flask or broken armor = 10 crunch crash flask | melee weapons inflict crush depth and armor crunch
proven tide
WOAH
elfin maple
whoa
proven tide
alllright
elfin maple
that
zenith hazel
Wall of Text has appeared
zenith hazel
ok, first of all, god slayer flask isn't necessary
we already have elemental gauntlet which does the same thing
holy flask isn't either, we have provi's lore
elfin maple
hmm
bitter drift
this suggestion was started by Captain Flavio
the first suggestion if FULLY his
tell me if there are some flasks that aren't needed
zenith hazel
plague flask: plague hive
zenith hazel
marked flask: use lunic eye tbh
bitter drift
i couldn't post it all in one go
elfin maple
probably for the best
bitter drift
more then 2000 letters
zenith hazel
frost flask: soul of cryogen/frost flare?
bitter drift
no that frost burn
zenith hazel
brimstone flask: extremely short-lived, outclassed by calamitas' brew tbh
bitter drift
yes i just needed all of these 4 cuz flask mix
elfin maple
🤔
zenith hazel
not even that useful for clone because she is immune to it
elfin maple
zenith hazel
and frost flare inflicts frostburn
zenith hazel
alright, fair point
bitter drift
so what flasks should be gone
zenith hazel
silva flask: not that useful at that point tbh
bitter drift
ya another one of making more mixes
elfin maple
ok
bitter drift
also i didn't see another Yharon debuff
elfin maple
but why if it serves no other purpose
zenith hazel
also isn't flask of broken armor just crumbling/shattering potion?
bitter drift
what is it?