Lol
#suggestions-discussion
zenith hazel
well if your suggestions make more sense it could get more stars adir 
zenith hazel
yeah but making auric weapons is a chore so that's mainly why auric/exo weapons shouldn't get suggested
grizzled abyss
(Rule about no exo/auric weapons doesnt exist now or...?)
frank stratus
i made a single suggestion and then it got sent but another person did the same suggestion in a pack and it got more votes
bitter drift
they exist for some extent
grizzled abyss
Then make more unique suggestions
bitter drift
you need them to be not complex
grizzled abyss
The suggestion before this book one is kinda behind lol
I guess it wont make it
(Is also mine lol)
bitter drift
you can see
also a CLAYmore that doesn't made of clay 
zenith hazel
heavenly gale 2.0... sure... not complex whatsoever
bitter drift
i didn't know the heavenly gale is so complex 
ruby cobalt
cant wait for gale 2 to suffer exoblade 2's fate
bitter drift
i only got notified by somewhat sors after it reached 35 stars (usually my best) or around that
grizzled abyss
Well i mean
bitter drift
what?
bitter drift
no you can still post some
zenith hazel
exactly
ruby cobalt
exo gun is
hollow shell
Exo weapons are indeed on the list of donts
bitter drift
but you need them to be not a lot in a row and not complex
zenith hazel
auric/exo weapons are supposed to be complex tbh
grizzled abyss
Told ya
hollow shell
Exo gun is just
especially dont
grizzled abyss
Lel
zenith hazel
if they're too simple, that just ain't right
if they're too complex, they're not getting in for sure
bitter drift
one day we will need/really want an exo version of every type of weapon let's be honest
ruby cobalt
no
zenith hazel
what we need is respect for the dev team for working their asses off
opaque grail
ur talking for everyone?
bitter drift
yes respect is still needed
opaque grail
There's a LOT of weapon types
zenith hazel
sure, auric weapons are neat and all but they are hell to code
bitter drift
ok let's see these weapons types
book
staff
summon
sentry
sword and spear
gun and bow
rocket launcher and flame thrower
yo-yo and boomerang
i think that is it
zenith hazel
not all of us would want an auric tier of every single weapon type
opaque grail
Gun, bow, throwing, boomerang, flail, yo-yo, sword, staff, summon staff, on head summons, sentries
to name a few
ruby cobalt
exo boomerang
exo boomerang
zenith hazel
cosmic immaterializer is like a fusion of the 3 summon types
isn't that just celestus?
opaque grail
and then there's unique weapons like daedalus, and nimbus rod
zenith hazel
i mean it's called a boomerang on the wiki so... it depends...?
opaque grail
Also tomes
zenith hazel
SSV?
opaque grail
just naming vanilla types
bitter drift
they named staff there
grizzled abyss
Well, personally i think there are just enough exo weapons, we dont really need more
zenith hazel
yeah
some auric weapons aren't that needed anyway
who even uses oracle (besides teragat) or ataraxia or vivid clarity for scal anyway?
grizzled abyss
Instead of more content for stuff we already know there should be more completely new ideas
ruby cobalt
People who like 250k DPS spikes for Oracle, probably
Ataraxia flat out sucks, VC requires too much IQ
zenith hazel
exactly
bitter drift
i agree there are some exo weapons that are in game and don't need there
zenith hazel
some auric weapons are just 
hollow shell
Well a few of em are donor weapons so they have to be there
bitter drift
are the 2 exo swords donor weapons
hollow shell
Ataraxia is
bitter drift
k
worthy fiber
bitter drift
maybe can you help for an idea of a pre boss flamethrower (yes i think there should be one)
zenith hazel
if you can make it good and comprehensible
bitter drift
as i suggested one i have a jungle themed one (firing jungle spores and buffing you when you hit)
i can think of a dungeon theme one (probably a magic thing is connected)
or ice and desert themed one (water and fire theme like the tears of the heaven theme for flamethrowers)
hell i can think i can think of a cloud "flame" thrower (really hurtful steam with high knockback)
zenith hazel
well we know for one thing, that's not possible because clouds are not flammable
unless you're talking about steam?
bitter drift
steam this is why there are "" at the world flame
this is true to most flamethrowers in here
(not every flamethrowers should throw flame in an imaginary world)
my jungle suggestion was about it throwing jungle spores not flames then buffing you for a short time with dryad's gift if you hit (but it's harder to hit with it)
gloomy hazel
Book mimic? Looks fun to me
winged zinc
zenith hazel
isn't cultist immune to like 10 million debuffs already?
mental path
he should be immune to all of them though
bitter drift
lol no
frail mantle
why
zenith hazel
what debuffs is cultist not immune to?
bitter drift
being immune to all vanilla debuffs is bad enough
an endurance fight is the last thing calamity need PRE MOON LORD OF ALL PLACES
mental path
why is that bad?
zenith hazel
cultist's not even an endurance fight, it's pathetic
mental path
^
zenith hazel
but seriously, which debuffs is cultist prone to?
bitter drift
this is why i oppose this suggestion at all cost
mental path
also the debuffs make it absurdly easy to identify which cultist is the real one
zenith hazel
yeah but which one??
mental path
lemme see
bitter drift
IF YOU FIGHT HIM AT NIGHT IT'S DOESN'T MATTER
zenith hazel
identifying one is already easy as balls
mental path
all but calamity debuffs
zenith hazel
it's not immune to marked
bitter drift
what even give marks to enemies :\
zenith hazel
lunic eye
zenith hazel
ok but what is the reason
mental path
he is wayyyyyyy too easy even on death mode
bitter drift
k
zenith hazel
he's supposed to be easy
frail mantle
^
zenith hazel
as if people are gonna inflict those debuffs on him
frail mantle
i think he's sorta like Clone's first phase
zenith hazel
god slayer inferno doesn't do crap when you can straight up kill him with your thousands of dps
queen sail
Literally the only time i faced a legitimately difficult and desk smashing lc was masomeme lc
And even then
frail mantle
you fight him, you think "huh. this ain't that bad" and then shit goes down
queen sail
It’s masomeme
zenith hazel
you can compare cultist to birb and donuts
preludes to important, big boy bosses
obsidian chests in brimstone crags
bitter drift
that is why the brimstone crags have one (obsidian rose)
civic pond
haha rng funny
bitter drift
what?
frail mantle
rng can potentially decide to be a bitch and not put it in any of the crag chests
civic pond
shrines would probably have something more useful than an obsidian rose
but then again its hell
zenith hazel
brimrose, rose stone, gehenna, abaddon, essences of chaos, charred ore
bitter drift
witch one?!
bitter drift
ya that wouldn't be there
zenith hazel
?
queen sail
What wouldn’t be there
bitter drift
any brim drop
queen sail
What the hell are you talking about
zenith hazel
what...
queen sail
Why are you bringing golem into this
zenith hazel
brimmy's drops are useful af
bitter drift
yes they are
but they are too powerful for post skelly content
zenith hazel
??
queen sail
Adir
zenith hazel
brimmy is hm
queen sail
Have you never played this mod in your entire life
bitter drift
yes
(we started by talking about what would be in a crag shrine)
how did we get to this?
zenith hazel
but what you're saying makes no sense
queen sail
Hell already has a shrine
zenith hazel
point is, crags have good things
queen sail
Brimstone Elemental is hardmode
bitter drift
never saw it
queen sail
Hell has had a shrine since
Shrines started existing
The Hell shrine always had Murasama
zenith hazel
hell has a shrine but you have to make an effort to look for it
bitter drift
not in my 5 games in calamity i never saw one
bitter drift
and i saw all the other shrines
queen sail
Because it’s at the end of either the left or right of the world
And it’s below the ash by a good amount
bitter drift
WHY WOULD IT BE THERE
zenith hazel
because it's supposed to be hard to find?
considering it houses an op item if you have the correct name?
bitter drift
what is even in there
queen sail
Do you know how powerful murasama is
zenith hazel
murasama
bitter drift
ah that is what is in it
queen sail
I just told you what was in it
bitter drift
yes thank you for telling me
zenith hazel
final point, crags are good
queen sail
Crags are good but it’s more or less a biome that you go to out of necessity
It’s pretty boring overall in comparison to say like
The Abyss or the Sunken Sea
queen sail
Sunken Sea is below an entire desert but I always make my house there
bitter drift
and because i'm doing a melee world now especially thank you
i suggested a crag shrine as a counter offer to the newest suggestion (not as a superset one)
also the crags are in both hell and cavern levels
just mainly in hell
zenith hazel
but both the cavern and hell have shrines, why would the crags need a shrine
queen sail
If the crags had a shrine it probably wouldn’t get an obsidian rose
bitter drift
it's counted as it's own biome first and foremost
it have music enemies a boss loot and blocks of it's own.
the if you look at suggestion the latest suggestion was about a recipe for the obsidian rose
i thought till now that you always get it from the crag's chests
but i was wrong but i still disagree at the thing of being a crafting recipe for it so i suggested to him a shrine instead
zenith hazel
it's still part of hell
sunken sea is its own biome but it doesn't have a shrine item
bitter drift
you say that like there is no part of it in the caverns
zenith hazel
it's part of underground desert
bitter drift
i wish i kept all of my old worlds
queen sail
The only thing sunken sea would probably need is a bit more content up to ml
Even then that feels like more of a wishlist imo
bitter drift
HOW DID WE GO TO THE SUNKEN SEA
queen sail
Brav was talking about it
zenith hazel
because you're still arguing about shrines and biomes
bitter drift
BUT ONLY ON THE CRAGS
queen sail
Why do you want a shrine in the crags
zenith hazel
yeah but your logic doesn't really make sense when you consider other biomes
bitter drift
hell have about 6X more
queen sail
Yeah
zenith hazel
and...?
queen sail
Spread out
bitter drift
because the place isn't a 1000 X 500
this is why there are 6 shadow chests in a row in the crags
queen sail
Adir where are you even going with this
Hell has shadow chests but you have to get your ass to go search for them in every nook and cranny
Whereas the crags has like
6 already on its surface
bitter drift
the crags are small
queen sail
That’s what I’m saying
bitter drift
no wonder they are all stuck with each other
queen sail
The point is
The crags have loot already
Given how small the crags are putting a shrine there is basically a waste
Because it honestly wouldn’t be that hard to find
bitter drift
so what is your solution on the obsidian rose chance to be unfindable with out farming from the suggestion that this was started from
queen sail
Make it craftable
Like literally what Calamity does to a majority of items that are a pain in the ass to farm
bitter drift
with what
bitter drift
i thought you will say a normal rose and obsidian
bitter drift
yes they are there is the jungle rose
bitter drift
ya
queen sail
They made an enchanted sword recipe locked to hardmode
bitter drift
why? i understand post boss but why post WoF
queen sail
Ark of the Ancients
bitter drift
you can still use the sword at a lower stage
maybe post EoW or even skelly but not hard mode
zenith hazel
because enchanted sword requires effort to find
queen sail
Sword Shrines are usually not worth the time finding
zenith hazel
also for the sake of convenience
queen sail
I was lucky that i got four last playthrough and 2 turned out to be real
bitter drift
effort not = to: going to the end of the world and digging holes
queen sail
And one turned out to be arkhalis
zenith hazel
that is effort
especially during pre-boss
even then, you’re not guaranteed to get it
bitter drift
still don't understand the crafting recipe for the enchanted sword to be in hard mode
zenith hazel
because souls of light make sense
bitter drift
is there nothing enchanted in PHM?
zenith hazel
ofc not
queen sail
That and nobody wants to go farming for a sword that’s worthless in hm
But is needed for one of the game’s most powerful swords
zenith hazel
it’s literally the master sword, you need something holy or good to create it
last time i checked, pre-hm had none of that
bitter drift
because the hallow isn't a thing
zenith hazel
exactly
it’s locked behind hm to fit the theme
you can go find it, but it’s on you if you complain
queen sail
What we’re getting at is that it’s hardmode locked so that getting Ark of the Cosmos isn’t a pain in the ass
Enchanted Sword in vanilla is pure rng
zenith hazel
that as well
bitter drift
i think it should be crafted sooner not by a lot but a little
queen sail
You can get aota after beating a mech boss
zenith hazel
enchanted sword gets outclassed anyway
queen sail
Given that you do some ore farming for, say, the 3rd hm ore or daedalus set
You can take down the twins
Then go make the first step in best sword
bitter drift
so you craft a weapon realize it's useless wait 2 bosses in the progression list and then make it into something more useful
queen sail
Adir Enchanted Sword is literally just a crafting weapon at this point
bitter drift
this is why this is so bull💩
queen sail
Tell me Adir
You know how strong SSV is
(Subsuming Vortex)
When have you used Forgotten Relic
bitter drift
very strong
placid moth
What
zenith hazel
or tome of fates?
bitter drift
still what is the point of this question
zenith hazel
useless weapons as materials are everywhere
queen sail
Because some of the weapons used to make the best weapons
Are never used
Who even uses Anarchy Blade
placid moth
But how is it possible for every weapon to be viable ?
queen sail
When has someone used the Hellwing Staff
zenith hazel
people who wanted to kill AEW before the recent update
zenith hazel
point is, some weapons are useless but they evolve to stronger weapons
bitter drift
but you can't get SSV before moon lord and upgrade it after the farming of DoG
you can get the enchanted sword pre boss but only craft it post WoF
zenith hazel
what even is your argument
queen sail
And nobody wants to spend half a day looking for a now irrelevant sword
bitter drift
so does crafting it
queen sail
Just so that they can start crafting aotc
zenith hazel
crafting it is way easier tf
bitter drift
if u r not me and find it EVERY SINGLE GAME
zenith hazel
looking for it in hm is pointless because you can craft it
i don’t understand your point
queen sail
In early prehm if you find it then it’s worth your time for being a beam sword
By the time hm hits it’s outclassed
bitter drift
it should be crafted pre hard mode but not pre boss
somewhere this swords is balanced
this is my point
bitter drift
so
queen sail
And nobody wants to find a sword that, at the moment, is irrelevant
zenith hazel
it gets outclassed anyway in pre-hm
bitter drift
how?
queen sail
Imagine if AotA had Arkhalis
zenith hazel
after you’ve killed a handful of bosses at least
night cradle
it has arkhalis
queen sail
And that there was no crafting recipe for arkhalis
Yeah i know but i mean if it was only arkhalis
One of the best swords in the game is now locked behind rng
bitter drift
i know but that doesn't counter act my point
i'm fine with the arkhalist being locked to hard mode
it's really OP i once used it in the solar eclipse
zenith hazel
ok, were it to be craftable in pre-hm, give us a recipe that makes sense for it
queen sail
By the time you reach hardmode arkhalis isn’t worth it anymore
Enemies are too strong
Which is why murasama exists 
frank stratus
arkhalis is decent for early hardmode
but since everyone totally loves redcode the arkhalis is just a projectile that does melee damage
bitter drift
yes this is why i'm fine with it being in hard mode and only hard mode
on the other hand the enchanted sword isn't that broken
frank stratus
which is why i don't usually use murasama either
its not really broken though unless you facetank
queen sail
Murasama is a good tank weapon
frank stratus
and you aren't really supposed to facetank so
queen sail
I use it to farm aureus if i’m running low on fragments
Because by the time it works, post ml aureus’ damage is lowered by your armor
Arkhalis isn’t even locked behind hardmode
It’s locked behind rng
frank stratus
what about the cosmic elementals
zenith hazel
besides, i have to reiterate, enchanted sword’s recipe also makes more sense to be in hm because of souls of LIGHT and LIGHT shards
bitter drift
yes but i'm talking about crafting
frank stratus
im pretty sure
bitter drift
enchanted doesn't always means good
queen sail
Yeah but it’s the rarest of all its sword drops
frank stratus
okay fuCK
queen sail
It’s literally 1 in 100
frank stratus
queen sail
The drop rate is 0.1% unless yeah
frank stratus
if you dont have defiled its 1/1000
queen sail
You use defiled
frank stratus
well yeah you can just use defiled
zenith hazel
yes but it was pretty much inspired by the master sword
queen sail
And they’re pretty uncommon
frank stratus
1/1000 to 1/20 is very good
zenith hazel
master sword is pretty much the bane of evil
bitter drift
i only gotten bone swords from it to this day
frank stratus
lmao
zenith hazel
aka, THE THEME of the ark line
queen sail
Because...
bitter drift
like 5 of them only
bitter drift
yes
terse sundial
the arkhalis has the best improvement in chance when using defiled in general
frank stratus
ive gotten an enchanted sword but i usually kill like 5 elementals per world
terse sundial
can't get much better than that
bitter drift
didn't got one from them
terse sundial
1/20 chance
bitter drift
more like 1/100000
queen sail
You said that you find an enchanted sword every single game though
frank stratus
me when i farm yharims crystal
bitter drift
in the tunnels
queen sail
I was lucky as hell to get yc on my first yharon kill last game
frank stratus
but its like 10 worlds
lol i got crystal on first kill in my ranged playthrough
i also got cosmic discharge on the same playthrough
frank stratus
nah on my mage playthrough it took like 60 kills
i stopped grinding for it after because it wasnt worth it
queen sail
Cosmic Elementals are in the same vein as Ore Slimes
They’re there because what they drop can eventually run out
Especially regarding the enchanted swords
But again
Nobody really wants to farm these things in hm for aotc
There’s better enemies they could be killing and better things they could be doing
Also hm enemies adds more to the enemy spawn pool so gl trying to get frequent cosmic elementals
frank stratus
yea
void kelp
RIV suggestions are fine, right?
terse sundial
yes
void kelp
ye
civic pond
well my cryonic ore never spawned
queen sail
The usual amount you get from one calamity ore vein is around 15-30
civic pond
queen sail
civic pond
can i interest you in blinkroot seeds
ashen warren
Does anyone have Calamity Mod pre rogue damage update version for 1.3.5.2? Is this right place to ask?
ashen warren
They could finish rogue compatibility with vanilla and other mods then release
k ty
void kelp
but also, rogue is not throwing and is its own separate thing
civic pond
I was gonna suggest a change to the Molten Amputator
either have it spawn LESS lava globs or change its effect entirely
because if im fighting a boss, after repeated use those globs melt my fps
patent oar
amputator is worst on dog
you can keep running from him and throwing and then suddenly he runs into the ones following you
civic pond
oh no way in hell am i using that on the devourer
patent oar
and your frames die
smoky wagon
pretty sure there is better stuff to use for DoG anyway
civic pond
banshee hook/valediction
but really amputator spawns a lot of globs when used repeatedly
patent oar
^
bitter drift
gel ammo was already suggested
placid moth
already suggested does not mean he can't suggest it though
although, iirc the gel ammo suggestion proposed multiple types of gel ammos, which, why lol
tired haven
@sick bane you can search up yours by "from: @sick bane in: #suggestions-voting", though if you have done many suggestions, it will be still a bit hard
There is no simple way to show stats like that to every single person anyway
sick bane
Oh
placid moth
@ashen warren I use Operator from AlchNPC to buy my treasure bags lol
But, it's an interesting suggestion nonetheless
ashen warren
I know about that, but some people don't like using those mods and only play with one mod.
like i use alchemist too but i use it more for the music boxes and me not having to craft potions
placid moth
So, Deltarune music boxes ?
ashen warren
it also is a way for you to purchase calamity music boxes
patent oar
musician in alchemistnpc/alchemistnpc lite
lite verison is basically just the npcs and potions
placid moth
so, without all the EGO crap ?
patent oar
yeah
placid moth
is that all lite omits though
ashen warren
some people have a problem withh even with the Npc's
patent oar
but then if they dont want npcs that do that then they wont want to buy the music boxes
ashen warren
They want to craft there potions, wait until hardmode to get music boxes and solely rely on world gen.
No ImkShushi, no AlchemistNPC, No Lufafk, no veinminer, No quality of life mods
patent oar
so if people dont want that then adding it to calamity wont have any use as it would just displease those people?
especially if the feature already gets provided by an optional mod
grizzled abyss
Never would i ever have thought that id get a suggestion with sixty stars :0
Most of my ideas are pretty crappy
left python
honestly for my first suggestion i didn't expect any
and yeah, gel ammo is probably overdone at this point, sorry
queen delta
love the idea, @grizzled abyss . Would make for a nice surprise in the dungeon. Also suggestions get bonus points for having a sprite tbh
smoky wagon
Maybe have that book drop wrath of the ancients
Instead of whatever it drops from currently
smoky wagon
If you break every book in the dungeon you get like 4 or 5
ruby cobalt
bruh
water bolt is literally a different book, it literally has nothing to do with other books
smoky wagon
@small talon you can fight phase 1 yharon multiple times
It doesnt go into phase 2 until you kill a mothron
small talon
yeah, but i only figured out the only weapon i could get as a summoner was from yharon once i killed mothron
the mistake was made
and id assume many made the same misatake
smoky wagon
well thats on you
smoky wagon
maybe there could be a consumable item made from darksun fragments that needs to be used to allow phase two to happen
instead of it being automatically after a mothron kill
small talon
im saying you get the weapon from phase 1 yharon, and weapons from dark sun to fight his 2nd phase
smoky wagon
yes im saying you could use darksun weapons to farm phase 1 yharon drops
Incase you didnt get it the first kill
ashen warren
I don't know if the dev and test team want to do this but i think it would be a pretty good thing to have.
hollow shell
@limber sparrow Obsidian Rose is guarateed to be in one of the buried chests in the Brimstone Crag
ashen warren
Since your here, do you think this is something the devs would like to do?
hollow shell
A Q&A could be cool, yeah.
I imagine a lot of the questions would be not so good but I'm sure there's more than enough reasonable people here to ask reasonable questions
hollow shell
@mental path Could you add a reason to your Lunatic Cultist suggestion?
(and yeah, exactly)
ashen warren
and thats why i just put within reason on there
mental path
he's immune to all debuffs but calamity debuffs
and the debuffs from calamity can be used to very easily identify him during the circle
ashen warren
so all the powerful buffs
hollow shell
Add that to your suggestion, please.
mental path
yes
hollow shell
I want a bit of confirmation because, from what I've seen of the "Immune to all debuffs" code (at least in tMod), there should be no exceptions unless deliberately bypassed
It's a big umbrella "if debuff, then no" function
mental path
as when i fought him, he had a different coloration from the clones
civic pond
i smell a meme
radiant meadow
@tender tree no meme suggestions please
lost agate
I mean, idk maybe hes serious about it
tender tree
k deleted lol
frank stratus
doesnt look like something that would be serious
frank stratus
well you arent supposed to use copper sword
radiant meadow
copper broadsword does more dmg than wooden sword
lost agate
Oh, then my memory is bad
frank stratus
buff all shortswords
TERRA SHIV RISE UP
terse sundial
yes
civic pond
bruh
terse sundial
@tender tree can you provide some examples of what you would like changed and why?
tender tree
ok
young fog
damage is a bit high
radiant meadow
@inner rover just so you know, one, stats are determined by testing and such so no point in giving them
two, Terraria sprites are 2x2, not 1x1
inner rover
I don't try to make them that small
radiant meadow
the pixels look like 1x1
inner rover
i know
inner rover
do I got to? (Don't answer that)
tender tree
yes
radiant meadow
It doesn't matter too much since if it gets in the sprite would have to be redone
but for Terraria, pixels must be 2x2
frank stratus
its fun in pvp
civic pond
in PvP
frank stratus
when someones coming at you just smash that set bonus and pull out the sniper
onehit 
civic pond
inner rover
so, any thought on the Satsuma Idea?
radiant meadow
doesn't tarragon summoner helm literally give +50% minion dmg?
hollow shell
Is the entire reason you made the suggestion just because the name Satsuma sounded cool?
inner rover
Not just that, but It's not often people design weapons based off of fruit, so uh
at least I don't think there is many weapons based from fruits
hollow shell
I guess not
inner rover
well, what do you think of the sprite? Will it need a change if it does make it, or is it fine as is?
hollow shell
It will definitely need to be resprited, sorry
inner rover
alrighty then.
hollow shell
if it gets accepted or somesuch
inner rover
noted
hollow shell
@tender tree Vortex armor is still good, it's just not overpowered now
still gives +40% ranged damage and +15% crit while stealthed
that's quite a lot
tender tree
id still like something new about it
hollow shell
Why?
civic pond
here we go again
terse sundial
wh-
queen sail
No Yharim's Army
terse sundial
I don't even know how to respond to that
queen sail
Events are AIDS to code
smoky wagon
read pins
terse sundial
😶
glacial lagoon
Pushovers
queen sail
Mob Shredding Weapons + Ultimate Battler =
civic pond
glacial lagoon
Yharim is already a planned boss
fierce loom
guys what if yharim was the final boss 
frank stratus
tiny rivet
glacial lagoon
^^
civic pond
^^
queen sail
:keanuno:
glacial lagoon
tender tree
hollow shell
. _.
Please read the rules in #suggestions-voting pins
and the Suggestion Don'ts doc
as well
frank stratus
queen delta
@civic pond let’s be honest. The same people who make these suggestions wouldn’t read the pins anyways
civic pond
😔
lost agate
buff tarragon summoner
Hahano
radiant meadow
rogue spooky armor set? 
hollow shell
@mortal oracle You mean vanilla armors?
ashen warren
what was the suggestion that got deleted an hour ago lmao
queen delta
How about a lil buff in early-mid hardmode range for summoners tbh
Summoners are laughably weak for mech bosses and alt bosses, as well as calamitas and siren and levi
also, everyone and their mother has suggested rogue and summoner variants for vanilla armors
mortal oracle
yes
grizzled abyss
Oof, i guess after 76 people stopped scrolling up lel
young fog
young fog
wooden cedar
it actually sounded stupid when I started typing but I realized my stupidity to late as my finger went for the enter key but what is done is done
hollow shell
The idea of a ripper that boosts your defensive ability a lot instead of offensive ability
sounds interesting
but
we're good with the bars we have
wooden cedar
XD
queen delta
civic pond
epic
young fog
other why but ok
queen delta
civic pond
no more why's
hollow shell
:why: was removed because people were using it in suggestions.
when it wasn't intended to be used that way
young fog
o
young fog
brimmy
terse sundial
civic pond
oh.
queen delta
Hey merk, what do you think of master mode
civic pond
terse sundial
shush
lost agate
Master mode, more like X3
sick bane
Master mode, more like revengeance mode
civic pond
master mode, more like no
open sphinx
is it bad that i want more shivs
not like exo shivs
just like tarragon shiv or something
terse sundial
Shivs are good
lost agate
:why:
well used emote
hahano
reminds me of that time people used it in suggestions Even when it wasnt called :why:
open sphinx
i would take a wulfrum shiv
queen delta
@open sphinx there will be soon
open sphinx
thanks calamity, very cool!
queen delta
but probably not till like the next 1-2 big updates
radiant meadow
@young fog more emote slots isn't really a good reason
We didn't hit 50 before Nitro boosting
And like Rover said, suggestions was the reason the emote died
dry stag
Grapple guillotine would make you grapple straight into an enemy
opaque grail
@void kelp I have the same problem with the perferators underground, sometimes the projectiles are tough to see and I cant focus on them anyways with the worms
void kelp
yeah. it super sucks to die to poor visibility you have no control over :C
opaque grail
I'd love an option to make increase saturation or outline all projectiles by like 1 bright pixel, just enough to make them visible no matter what
cuz I have perfect vision and I have trouble, I cant imagine people trying to do it when they need glasses
hollow shell
@dry stag Reason for having it?
dry stag
Ocean always needs more stuff
opaque grail
woudnt a grapple into an enemy hurt you?
hollow shell
Well
Ocean isn't really getting content with that flail
opaque grail
....that sounds terrible
hollow shell
it's Victide, which is most efficiently farmed in the Desert
also I assume the grapple pierces enemies, or works like Chain Guillotine and just retracts on contact
proven tide
chloro isn't even late hardmode?
hollow shell
preferably the former
cuz the latter would lead to failed grapples
proven tide
neptune's shell is mid as well
frank stratus
isnt neptune's like
proven tide
and we've already got the gss one
opaque grail
ohhh
dry stag
I'mma go work on it a little and come back
frank stratus
you ever just like
attack an enemy with a hook
but you miss and hit the ground beside it
and it pulls you into the enemy
proven tide
also, back to the fleal
hollow shell
grapple is synonym for hook
proven tide
yeah but it's a weapon not a hook how on earth is summoning a shark
a
flAIL attribute
hollow shell
Damn I thought it was meant to be a hook
proven tide
hollow shell
A hook that can hurty
opaque grail
So a flail that acts like dual guillotines that works like a hook
thatd be so janky and just plain difficult
"Whoops guess I'm now tanking tortoises"
proven tide
calamity paintings omegayes
dry stag
K my idea was trash. I got a better one though
proven tide
can't spell omegayes without the gayes
opaque grail
Oh yeah I love calamity paintings
the devs are amazing at art
just look at all the bosses, some paintings based on them, or the biomes, or literally ANYTHING that calamity does would be cool
proven tide
thank you hectique, very cool
teal ibex
ashen warren
just zerg smhmsmhmhmdsmhmshmh
terse sundial
dry stag
I have several stacks of keys lying around, tho
teal ibex
how many did you get post-moonlord?
it's a non issue for people who loot gold chests and the dungeon thoroughly, but the abyss largely discourages that for me and some other players
teal ibex
it's an issue on my normal playthroughs too!!!
terse sundial
it is
hollow shell
I do usually have Golden Keys in storage, in my experience
teal ibex
i just never have a reason to loot gold chests beyond getting shadow key and snagging the abyss items
i'm sure i'm not alone in that sentiment
hollow shell
Its RNG so
varying results are expected
terse sundial
^
dry stag
I only farm in dungeon for nazar
teal ibex
i pretty much always get nazar from slime god lol
it seems like it can work out for people who don't rush as much but there's a lot of alternatives present that can make avoiding golden keys super easy to achieve
i.e. abyss and slime god nazars; the best reason to grind prehm is for tally counters or, if you have massive foresight, the post-ml dungeon bosses
dry stag
Oh and ectoplasm. That's pretty important
hollow shell
Aight what we gotta do
is make it so Dungeon Slimes have a chance to spawn upon killing any Dungeon enemy
teal ibex
yes
terse sundial
good plan
teal ibex
i'm so ready for phantoplasm > ectoplasm > dungeon slime > phantoplasm > ectoplasm > dungeon slime forever
spiral olive
tally counter too, that's one of the big ones that's a pain in the ass to farm alongside the other stuff
hollow shell
teal ibex
ye i mentioned tally counter
spiral olive
o rip
teal ibex
i'm almost never thinking that far ahead though when playing lol
ankh shield just sorta happens and then i remember to make it
and by then i'm post plant usually
hollow shell
Well Tally is Cell Phone
teal ibex
pretend i'm not dumb
hollow shell
I always get bad luck with Tally Counter, even before Plantera 
radiant meadow
I just pop a zerg or something usually or hang around until one drops
teal ibex
ive had pretty bad luck zerging in the past especially if there's like 3 gold chests in the way
radiant meadow
I meant zerging in phm
full bramble
I used to always have bad luck with nazar
I can agree with you in the sugg, sometimes I just have to mindlessly wait forever when a gold chest is in the way to have a key drop from a slime/random pot/enemy or just die by a mage
on that note, do you think spawning mimics without a chest statue that drops loot could be a thing? or is this too far from the subject
void kelp
I’m all for making mimic farming easier
smoky wagon
thorium has a mimic spawner
but calamity could use one also
mimic drops are a pain
smoky wagon
banning weapon suggestions wont solve the problem
full bramble
I have no comment, I don't think I've been here long enough for that
hollow shell
What's goin on?
also tbh I agree with Kris's suggestion
afaik only one of the several hundred weapon suggestions have been considered for implementation, at least in recent history
halcyon stone
Well, I don't think it would solve the problem at first. But it might help to minimise that. And if someone sees that noone of suggestions of this type get even passed to vote, then he might hesitate with posting his.
queen delta
pretty sure these people just post n' go
halcyon stone
So thier posts will be delete n' go ¯_(ツ)_/¯
proven tide
Honestly I'm down but concerned
so few people actually realise items can be patreon'd
maybe include that in the announcement banning them
halcyon stone
that would be good idea
queen delta
The thing is, even if the idea seems crappy to us, they might feel proud of it, and claim that their weapon isn't crappy
Since "crappy" has some subjectiveness to them
hollow shell
Well the thing is
The idea may not even need to be crappy
frosty vortex
Even so, how often are random weapon suggestions even considered at all anyways>
Usually they get almost nowhere if they don't have a niche regardless
hollow shell
Specific weapon suggestions have a very very low chance of getting in or even of consideration
smoky wagon
weapon suggestions for classes with limited options at a part of the game are good
queen delta
Has any weapon suggestions ever been implemented?
smoky wagon
like a post-ml rogue weapon
halcyon stone
that's what I've included in suggestion, that only ones you should be able to post are ones to fill gaps you've found
hollow shell
Spoilers
but
one is planning on going in next update or some future update
queen delta
oh boy summoner suggestions are gonna be flooded
hollow shell
I don't know if any others ever have
void kelp
Tbh it’s a good suggestion but at the same time, different people define “specific weapon” differently
hollow shell
(except for the GSS weapons)
smoky wagon
did the gss weapons come with the suggestion?
hollow shell
Ye
smoky wagon
oh nice
tight gorge
Was about to ask what GSS meant then I remembered Great Sand Shark
wooden leaf
what is it??
halcyon stone
full bramble
the amount of times I spelled "cloak" as clock
placid moth
To get a mimic, I'd just zerg tbh
halcyon stone
other way of doing it would be to just make every item from mimics craftable like in case of floating islands
full bramble
when I zerged for mimics I got shot by like 2 rune wizards
radiant meadow
oh shit, reaver armor doesn't state that
full bramble
should've cleared out an area t b h but still
that could be an option, kris, although then I feel this standard could be applied to a lot more than just mimics; the shit in the sky is obtainable once per world usually and crafting is SUPER convenient than just scouring worlds, whereas the mimics spawn and keep on spawning and the things are still obtainable whether or not you got what you needed already
opaque grail
To counter rune wizards is simple:
Chop off half your brain hold click on water bolt and have a seizure
nothing's getting past my perfect pro strat
frank stratus
h
grizzled abyss
what is the threshold for a suggestion to be sent again?
opaque grail
check pins
queen delta
90 stars
queen delta
90 stars isn't hard if your suggestion isn't a random braindead idea
terse sundial
should I repost my piggy dropping bacon idea now that suggestions has calmed down?
not sure if I should just let it die
terse sundial
true
full bramble
pumpkin pie
terse sundial
Piggy is already a rare spawn, so I felt like it wouldn't interfere with its value
wooden cedar
people who are yellin about calamity spawnin in mimics with keys and crap are lazy and if they really want mimics easy just get Danews Mini Boss
terse sundial
i'll repost it, see how it goes
full bramble
I'm not yellin' what you mean
wooden cedar
nothin saw people arguin about it eralier
full bramble
oic
radiant meadow
@wooden cedar reaver rogue should be fixed next update 👍
full bramble
ez well fed tbh, but hopefully people don't rely on it
because don't leave pumpkin pie hanging
terse sundial
harharyes
placid moth
buy food from travelling merchant
terse sundial
Traveling Merchant is rng be- yeah, that's an option
wooden cedar
Traveling Merchant is always like" WaaaNTTt SoMMEee DynaSTYY WoOOd!"
full bramble
yeah lemme get uhh sitting duck pole of fish
"dynasty wood or nothing"
wooden cedar
lol
hollow shell
@prime elm to be fair, Leviathan only spawns upon ??? dying in Death Mode
You've got the Siren in-between in all other modes
prime elm
Im sorry?
hollow shell
In all modes except Death, you'd have plenty of time to come out of the ocean once ??? dies
because you're just fighting the Siren for a while, before Leviathan spawns
(I know that's not the main focus of the suggestion, just thought I'd mention it)
prime elm
Cause if you suck like me youll be waiting for a long time
Well im broke and i dont feel like farming king slime
hollow shell
Well, expensive as in crafting materials-wise
(which is worse)
proven tide
@copper flame you suggested that the other day, no?
IIRC you have to wait at least a week to resuggest
copper flame
Oh
Wait a second
Sorry thought i suggested on last Wednesday
I checked and i suggested it on Thursday
tawny minnow
@prime elm I agree, the Leviathan spawning method is intuitive up until you kill the siren
fickle spruce
i agree the amalgam is useless
queen sail
Ah yes
Having there be equipment that has to be gathered from a specific set of bosses
Whose summon comes from a rare underground enemy
Who sometimes doesn’t even drop the summon
queen sail
It’s not hard but trying to get the summon is tedious as fuck
And it becomes irrelevant post ml anyways
People would rather get the cosmilite crafted equipment than go out of their way to fight mecha mayhem again
placid moth
I think SenseiCy's suggestion was to have mecha mayhem reward you with the fragment post-DoG only, but no rewards pre-DoG. And that players would be able to just tear apart the 3 mechs at that point, which is shorter and less tedious than doing DoG all over again.
Also, the summon is purchasable from some NPC either from AlchNPC, Fargo's or Luiafk, I forgot.
quick dove
still that would be just old content being reused wouldnt it
placid moth
Mhm.
quick dove
then i see no good reason for it
lazy buffing old bosses, i think people would like to see something new to help progress
queen sail
Draedon’s Remote is just a bonus challenge for people who are bored
And it’s meant to be around golem tier anyways
Also if you want something that has no good reason to exist, great sand shark exists
autumn lion
buff the copper shortsword 
terse sundial
People really enjoy the bacon idea 
zenith hazel
you really cooked up an idea, merk
fickle spruce
nnah
ashen warren
what do you think?
placid moth
I think Reaver Shark doesn't really need a change tbh.
smoky wagon
pretty sure people use gelpick over molten pickaxe anyway
fickle spruce
^
queen sail
Molten pick is borderline worthless because of how slow it is
It’s worse that it’s the only option if you’re doing vanilla
patent oar
it think if a suggestion has extra detail but has already been suggested it should get a teal check, so the extra information is passed on and the previous suggestion marked as highly suggested, if it doesnt work like that rn
bitter drift
122 stars
patent oar
as someone could say "add blah blah feature" get 90 stars and then a mmonth or two later someone says the same idea in lots of detail, gets a blue check and any ideas they had wont be fed in simply because they didnt say it first
terse sundial
@smoky wagon Asgard's valor has a shorter dash, it's upgrades have longer dashes just as a quick fyi
terse sundial
really?
smoky wagon
yes
terse sundial
I made a guide in the help chat for dash lengths
asgard was shorter
elysian and asgardian are longer
smoky wagon
When i compared them asgard’s was about two blocks longer
queen delta
hmm
terse sundial
ill test it again
glacial lagoon
I remember seeing a guide some time ago, the statis ninja belt has a longer dash than valor
Found it
smoky wagon
Tabi has shorter dash while airborne when i tested
i am going to edit sugg to mention it
bitter drift
what is the last item there?
bitter drift
k
grizzled abyss
But ya, i agree
All i did was explain it better and improve the idea a little
It’s definitely not the first time the idea has happened
This was the sprite i posted first time around
Its not great, so i redid it
smoky wagon
I dont think people actually understand my suggestion lol
hollow shell
@sick bane What is the tier "between" Cosmilite and Darksun?
Aren't they directly sequential?
civic pond
bitter drift
somewhat Sors
it's the bumble birb and phase 1 of Yharon
hollow shell
Bumblebirb is Pre-Providence now
and you fight Yharon Phase 1 with Cosmilite equipment
I guess the tier in-between Cosmilite and Darksun is currently Yharon's drops?
For fighting the buffed Solar Eclipse with?
hollow shell
Post-DoG is Cosmilite.
bitter drift
yes he said
post cosmilite
pre dark sun
doesn't it meant this
hollow shell
In between DoG and YharonP1 is "Cosmilite"
because Cosmilite is your newest and best material
In between buffed Mothron and YharonP2 is "Darksun"
because Darksun Fragments are your newest and best material
And I guess in between YharonP1 and a buffed Mothron is this "Draedon's Fragment" tier
which would be a small tier
but
I suppose it does exist
bitter drift
between cosmilite and darksun.
copied from the suggestion
hollow shell
yes
bitter drift
what is between both
hollow shell
I just
I just said it
hollow shell
You fight YharonP1 with Cosmilite gear, you fight buffed Mothron with YharonP1 drops, you fight YharonP2 with Darksun gear
so
ye
bitter drift
yaaa so i guess it can work
hollow shell
Yeah
but it's there in case you get your ass kicked by the eclipse
if you wanna get it
smoky wagon
Its not like the eclipse ends if you die
hollow shell
Some of the Draedon's Fragment stuff could be good for Yharon ¯_(ツ)_/¯
smoky wagon
And i dont think it needs to be made harder to force people to get more new gear
bitter drift
then should dradon's remote be special
bitter drift
maybe new weapons (like from an actual bag)
bitter drift
do you think there should be an accessory that include the ank charm (that isn't the shields)
frail mantle
why
bitter drift
when i played rogue and most likely when i'll play summoner i felt i was dying because of a lot of debuffs that normally i have immunities to at later stages
frail mantle
i mean
in that case you could've just equipped an Ankh Charm or one of it's upgrades
bitter drift
i want to keep my good dash
frail mantle
the one from Statis' Belt?
bitter drift
yes
bitter drift
maybe most likely
ya i shouldn't suggest a new charm suggestion
hollow shell
I did always feel like Ankh Charm was a bit of an instant upgrade into Ankh Shield
but
nothin can really be done about that
without probably being annoying to the player
bitter drift
charm shield no difference there
and no joke i once died to DoG because of knockback (on my rogue run)
grizzled abyss
Um
If was suggestion is sent before it should be given the highly suggested priority thing right?
bitter drift
why?
grizzled abyss
If so i think someone didnt realize my book mimic post was not the first one that got sent through
It was sent when i posted the idea the first time too
smoky wagon
Draedon’s remote is a placeholder item isnt it
lost agate
Placeholder for what?
smoky wagon
Well the function it has is a placeholder
lost agate
?
terse sundial
draedon's remote isn't going to summon draedon
delicate raft
lol
terse sundial
smoky wagon
Ok then
lost agate
Yeah lmao