and azathoth
#suggestions-discussion
radiant meadow
hollow shell
Animus and Azathoth I think are just technicalities
because they aren't dedicated to anybody so they're just ascribed to the mod owner? I think?
Fabstaff is definitely his intended dev item
queen sail
Rune have you decided on one yet
hollow shell
Rune?
radiant meadow
Is that a typo for Rover?
hollow shell
terse sundial
hollow shell
I have not
terse sundial
rover's dev wep instakills all memeedits on the wiki harharyes
queen sail
Big meme if rover’s dev wep is related to wiki editing
hollow shell
I was originally thinking of, shortly after Lacerator lost its aura, making an item to relive its glory
by getting a yoyo that has an aura
but then Oracle happened so I gotta rethink
radiant meadow
that seems more like minecat's dev wep
terse sundial
yes
hollow shell
I was also thinking something more along the lines of sound effects
cuz those are my more salient contributions to the mod
hollow shell
Nah not just the Abyss theme
like, I did the Silva Revive sfx, the RE gun sfx, Atlas, Handheld Tank, Iron Heart, Rogue stealth, Adrenaline & Rage...
ashen warren
Eidolon Wail upgrade for you then
hollow shell
sound
of me screaming
ashen warren
yes
radiant meadow
magic weapon that launches random projectiles with random sounds B)
radiant meadow
yes 
hollow shell
Face Melter upgrade utilizing all of its ingredients' projectiles 
ashen warren
Same projectile tho
pliant bone
Bruh, what's with the suggestion quality dropping each day?
radiant meadow
that reminds me of handheld tank shooting music notes 
ashen warren
brainlets, louis
ashen warren
Of course
radiant meadow
oh yeah
queen sail
High IQs
radiant meadow
what do we do about suggestions that are going to be implemented but not because of the suggestion?
ashen warren
Uninstall them
radiant meadow
ashen warren
I guess checkmarkthem
radiant meadow
I'll just throw a checkered flag I guess
pliant bone
an ok
queen sail
Checkmark is used twice
hollow shell
Yeah, checkered flag
pliant bone
Checkmark flag yeah
queen sail
Black check for “Already suggested”
hollow shell
It doesn't matter if the suggestion caused the implementation
queen sail
Green for “You got in!”
hollow shell
If it's implemented, it gets flagged
ashen warren
Yay
pliant bone
Isnt blue bg white check for Already suggested
hollow shell
yo spoilers
it's not in #changelogs yet
radiant meadow
brb cheating the system by suggesting to move astrum deus to post cultist
queen sail
For others its a black one
hollow shell
☑ vs✔
queen sail
Well you get the point
pliant bone
I cant even see the 2nd check
pliant bone
Im using dark theme.
queen sail
Use light theme
ashen warren
Really? I just use light
queen sail
pliant bone
ashen warren
Shut
hollow shell
smh instructing people into herecy
radiant meadow
alright back on topic please
queen sail
ashen warren
Can we re-add that one emote? Uhh, was it called :why: or something?
hollow shell
The brimstone elemental one?
radiant meadow
it's not getting re-added back for your suggestion usage
hollow shell
In fact it was removed so that people wouldn't use it in suggestions
ashen warren
Not that one, not called why. It was the one people used where :why: would be used but wasn't
hollow shell
(petty, yes, but it really do be like that)
ashen warren
It was some really deep fried image
hollow shell
I think you're misremembering
The brim one was called :why:, and it was used for suggestions
earnest raptor
Electric Fence
Unique sentry weapon
Left click: consumes 25 mana, places a spiky metallic object with Tesla antennas. This object are affected by gravity and consumes only 0.5 sentry slots. Despawn only from 400 blocks from player, so it will work even against DoG.
Right click: consumes 5 mana, click on one fence object to save it's position, then click on another fence to connect it with first.
How this sentry work:
Connected fences, if between it no walls are presented, will emit electric beam, that connect these fences. This beam deals damage a 18 times in second with no knockback. With small chance beam will inflict Electrocute.
Craft: 7 Bar of Life + 100 Martian Conduit Plating @ Mythril Anvil
After Provi you can craft upgraded version, Devouring Fence, that features 10x more base damage and can shoot scorched sparkles to nearby enemies either from spikes and from beam, and also ignores immunity frames:
Electric Fence + 12 Divine Geodes @ Ancient Manipulator
Reasons:
High IQ weapon for summoner.
In general, useful for farming.
More sentries, also this doesn't just spam projs.
Okay, I edited this.
ashen warren
Ye, prolly misremembering the name of the one I want
I was there when why got axed I think
Shame
hollow shell
proof
earnest raptor
I think you're misremembering
The brim one was called :why:, and it was used for suggestions
It's was my idea.
I created this meme.
blame me
hollow shell
lol
hollow shell
The post-Providence buff is a bit strange
considering it gets upgraded into a Cosmilite one shortly after
It'd be more fitting to have a Divine Geode upgrade instead of a Cosmilite one, if you want it to be used against DoG
earnest raptor
Added!
hollow shell
👍
ashen warren
Uh
hollow shell
@sullen sedge Can I get some punctuation in that sentence?
icy cove
Stats are left for the devs i believe. Also, what is the reason?
earnest raptor
Stargate Spear
Melee weapon, spear
81 melee damage
Use time: 11 (Very fast)
Shoots stars that have infinite piercing, can home and lasts for 5 seconds. Stars heals 1 hp from first strike to enemy.
Craft: Starfury + Adamantite Glaive/Titanium Trident + 10 Ectoplasm @ Mythril Anvil
Okay, I remaded @sullen sedge's suggestion.
hollow shell
Why compare to Illustrious Knives and not Vampire Knives?
earnest raptor
@sullen sedge mentoed, that stars are like knifes from Illustrious Knifes.
So I added lifesteal.
👌
zenith hazel
very run-on suggestion
sullen sedge
@real parrot
real parrot
why ping
bitter drift
copy that line and edit your comment to add it
hollow shell
Yeah, edit the message, don't post a second one
sullen sedge
2hy
real parrot
why did you ping me mate
bitter drift
cuz it's count as a new suggestion!
bitter drift
if you don't know how to edit i can help you with it
earnest raptor
Exo-spear
bitter drift
lool
but it need a number of other spears
Make a spear that shoots stars that can hit endlessly and home and lasts for 5 seconds and the stars are like the knives from illustrious knives but they are stars and the stars do 1000 damage and the spear fires 1 star per strike and the spear has a 11 use time
And it's 80 auric ore, 10 yharon soul frags, 50 dark sun frags, 30 nightmare fuel and endothermic energy, 60 bars of life, gilded proboscis, ark of the ancients
here Ishan chandran on YouTube copy this and delete your 2 other suggestion
hollow shell
(I would also appreciate if the first half of that got some grammar revision)
bitter drift
what are the grammar problems (i suck at English)
earnest raptor
Why this suggestion looks so horrible 
bitter drift
idk
real parrot
the suggestion is a run-on sentence
meaning it has no significant punctuation use nor proper wording
bitter drift
k
hollow shell
I meant Ishan, not you Adir
bitter drift
Make a spear that shoots stars that can hit endlessly, home and they lasts for 5 seconds and the stars are like the knives from illustrious knives but they are stars and the stars do 1000 damage and the spear fires 1 star per strike and the spear has a 11 use time.
it's made of: 80 auric ore, 10 yharon soul frags, 50 dark sun frags, 30 nightmare fuel, 30 endothermic energy, 60 bars of life, gilded proboscis and an ark of the ancients.
is this better?
hollow shell
(This may or may not be useless, because I don't think Ishan's going to edit anything)
bitter drift
ah ok
ya,,,,,
how do you brighten up words?
like in this suggestion how did you typed the name
hollow shell
put ** on both sides of the words
hollow shell
Nah I meant like
**word**
word
bitter drift
ah to of them
hollow shell
and three does this
hollow shell
np
zenith hazel
ok hol tf on, "ark of the ancients" in a recipe for a spear?
bitter drift
that is in the suggestion...
hollow shell
Yeah that's a bit odd too
zenith hazel
not only does that make absolutely no sense but against the "things you shouldn't suggest"
bitter drift
honestly this entire way he typed the suggestion is bad
zenith hazel
big brain moment
hollow shell
What about it is against the doc?
zenith hazel
auric/exo weapon?
hollow shell
It's not really overcomplicated it's just
specific and hard to read
Yeah I guess so
bitter drift
you can't dev weapons not exo
zenith hazel
bitter drift
ah
hollow shell
Moreso the one from the Frequently Suggested section
Auric/Exo is used as an example there of something that's complex, not necessarily that all Auric/Exo weapons are disallowed due to that rule, because you can have one that's simple
however
Auric/Exo are disallowed in the Frequently Suggested section
bitter drift
well i will give him it we need more exo weapons (those subclasses that don't have one)
hollow shell
aaand it's gone immediately
terse sundial
good job
copper flame
Nevermind
bitter drift
welp
copper flame
i removed
bitter drift
why?
copper flame
idk its not suggestion but not a bug
bitter drift
???
hearty yew
@past cape while extremely cool, 2 things
- the adjective is "tyrannical"
- lore items would all have to be useful in combat OR only combat lore items would count
I actually seriously like the idea, but if you really want to rework lore items to provide severe stacking buffs to warrant those penalties, they probably shouldn't require inventory slots (thus necessitating one of those "lore book" things, from which you could toggle on/off every lore item you had unlocked)
bitter drift
is my suggestion is too complex/overloaded
worthy fiber
heaven’s tesla gate 
warm tinsel
The suggestion seemed great to me, but the sword must be moving slowly and must be able to be outrunned, either hitting it while it's near you makes it teleport away a bit or idk.
It doesn't seem too complex and I saw a good suggestion hinting at more lore getting useful, for example in BR using the Underworld lore to fight WoF can work out pretty well, so that's a nice example.
I mean the lore suggested obviously
earnest raptor
@worthy fiber why not?
worthy fiber
Probably not the best idea to name something after heaven’s gate
earnest raptor
@warm tinsel it's already here, no?
zenith hazel
heavenly launcher
zenith hazel
fab will add the songs eventually, just be patient
warm tinsel
Well, I just suggested it, I were patient for Dokuro's EVERYTHING after all
worthy fiber
@tranquil badge That was the intention a while back, but they couldn't figure out how to get it to play
tranquil badge
Oh well Overhaul managed it somehow
Although Overhaul managed a lot of awesome things
worthy fiber
I don't remember the explanation stuff on why we couldn't do the same
frosty kindle
fancy things overhaul did came at a cost of the overall game performance being utter crap 
frail mantle
like, deals magic damage with left click, summon damage with right click sort of hybrid?
tulip parcel
yeah
dual function
I don't know how else you'd represetn the necronomicon exmortis
vocal fulcrum
Hybrid with summon damage sounds too clunky with the fact of "if you hold something that deals melee/ranged/magic/rogue danage, you lose a third of your summon dps"
queen sail
Why not just find a nearby water source and break open a dungeon wall to it
P sure the vanilla wiki recommends that
real parrot
mind editing your suggestion? it needs an explanation
ashen warren
Working on it
real parrot
edit the original suggestion smh
ashen warren
Sorry, don't know how.
tulip parcel
alternatively it could just be a two-in-one summoner exclusive weapon
real parrot
click the dots and then click "Edit"
arctic wren
Note: Will not be implemented due to the terror of modifying hardcoded vanilla features
at Prince I'm pretty sure the answer to "how hard it is to alter vanilla dungeon generation" is "really fucking hard"
speaking of, how hard would it be to make the abyss generate before the dungeon
also "really fucking hard"?
queen sail
It might be
Considering how wacko the dungeon’s gen tends to be
Sometimes it goes straight down
Sometimes it goes straight to the abyss
And then sometimes it goes all the way to the fuckin opposite side
It’s weird tbh
arctic wren
I meant it more in the idea of "if the abyss generates first, if they overlap the dungeon at least stays intact"
though having solid walls of dungeon blocks in the abyss sounds even worse tbh
so now that I think of it, probably not a good idea regardless lmao
queen sail
Anything to do with world genning to make things slightly more convenient disregards how cancer genning usually is without having it conflict with something
Because redcode, am i right
arctic wren
elfin maple
How would you tell which enemies are "cold-type"?
Maybe just if the player is in a cold biome they get the buff
opal barn
Probably the same way as warmth potion
earnest raptor
^
hollow shell
smh @bitter drift You were there for the convo where we explained why exo weapons shouldn't be suggested
and you just go and do it to em
bitter drift
1st lol
2nd yes i did but i saw i could just not making it too complex and don't post a bunch in a row
there has been only 2
and this weapon is basically a heavenly gale rocket launchers (something i assume not that complex cuz if it was the heavenly gale wouldn't have been in the game today)
umbrella so are you gonna make a pumpkin moon potion
hollow shell
Heavenly Gale is pretty complex
The reason behind that rule isn't because we don't want complex things in the game, it's because devs don't want to work on complex suggestions
hollow shell
You can keep the suggestion up, I guess
People like it enough
bitter drift
wait really?
hollow shell
Keep the rule in mind for the future though
bitter drift
ya didn't know it was too complex sorry
keen oxide
What do you think of the doom bells?
hollow shell
It's a reference to the bells used in the Calamity soundtrack, isn't it?
hollow shell
You can craft the Guide Voodoo Doll.
proven tide
oh dude nice
although you can still craft the other summons but having them buyable is a thing anyway
rapid sapphire
Because the dryad sells everything else
hollow shell
@still cliff Why?
still cliff
Once i had defeated cryogen under a huge pit
Then i had to go down there and take all the items
Then i died
hollow shell
That could apply to any boss . _.
hollow shell
Remember to build bridges over pits in your boss arena next time ¯_(ツ)_/¯
signal prairie
Cryogen can be taken on with Amidia's Trident on a melee run
its actually hilarious
proven tide
nick self-starred.
hollow shell
Astral Ice is purple like the rest of it
worthy fiber
yellow snow
proven tide
delicious
hollow shell
Also Ferox why did you make a separate suggestion instead of pinging Nick to add to his
proven tide
nick also self-alerted
still cliff
ಥ‿ಥ
warm tinsel
Lemme correct real quick
proven tide
okay, is it becoming a fucking trend for people to self-star and self-alert?!
lost agate
@civic gust uh no there shouldnt be
Its a fakeout to the real battle
Also, a theme for a segment of the fight that takes like 20 seconds at most sometimes is kind of.... Nah
hollow shell
@wooden dragon It'd be good to describe the weapon's function, for people who don't know Borderlands
wooden dragon
@hollow shell done that, thx for reminding me
hollow shell
Aight cool
"upside down" V, though? Wouldn't its orientation depend on where you aim?
wooden dragon
im bad at describing things xD
bitter drift
can a potion make enemies drop another Item?
ashen warren
There is gold flask, which makes enemies drop more money.
As far I can recall, at least.
bitter drift
there are gold bullets i know of
ashen warren
And melee flask as well.
bitter drift
also REV = money money moneeyyyyy mmoonneyyyy
hollow shell
You could make an enemy only drop a certain item when you have a potion on
You might even be able to make all enemies drop some certain item when you have a potion on
Maybe
bitter drift
ok thanks
zenith hazel
so it’s a post-DoG thing
essentially, you can farm darksun fragments before yharon p1 with this?
queen sail
That’s like saying give mourning woods the ability to drop nf and everscreams/santanks the ability to drop ee
With a certain potion that tbh
Isn’t really all that expensive
zenith hazel
yeah, that fixes a glaring problem
queen sail
Does it really matter though
Regardless of the atmosphere people would rather focus on killing the big tentacley fuck monster than the bg
Also he’s a dark god in calamity’s lore, so the void theme would kinda make sense?
gloomy hazel
the void theme would make sense? How do you see it as such?
bitter drift
i tried to fix the suggestion
now you have to beat yharon in phase one to get it
why? because i don't want to go through a solar eclipse to make farming in a solar eclipse easier
hollow shell
Yharim's Gift
For a consumable?
hollow shell
Replace farming Solar Eclipse with farming Yharon
lost agate
Mhm
lost agate
Not all potions are made with blood orbs
bitter drift
really? what aren't
lost agate
Like almost all the new ones
bitter drift
ah you mean the drunk princes"s
lost agate
No
queen sail
No
bitter drift
when what potions?
queen sail
Some of the new potions use blood orbs along with another ingredient
And it’s a fuckton of blood orbs too
lost agate
Yeah but not just blood orbs its what i mean
hollow shell
Wait
All the new potions can be made with Blood Orbs...
queen sail
Yes but you still need something else to make it with the orbs
lost agate
Some arent
hollow shell
Which?
lost agate
Like ceaseless hunger i think
queen sail
You can’t make draconic elixir with 50 orbs and call it a day
hollow shell
It can
bitter drift
ok let me fix it one more time (making another recipe)
queen sail
You need a yharon soul fragment with it
hollow shell
Ye
lost agate
Well im just confuzzled then
bitter drift
what now?
queen sail
Though there’s usually some other ingredient to balance it out and prevent sequence breaking
bitter drift
here a dark sun fragment like in these new potions there are other ingredients
queen sail
Everyone’s going to go with the blood orb recipe if yharim’s gift is part of the main recipe
Tbh
bitter drift
except the ranger class XD
lost agate
Uh why?
queen sail
Yharim’s gift is classless what
bitter drift
it's also an ingredient
queen sail
An ingredient
hollow shell
For a Terry weapon
queen sail
For what
bitter drift
for a post SCal bow
hollow shell
It's not necessarily that it's a weapon
bitter drift
yes yes it is
hollow shell
it's that it's a Terry N Muse weapon
Apotheosis lad
lost agate
Isnt it Sygilin nohitter weapon?
queen sail
That’s like saying “Let’s have there be a terra potion that buffs all stats and you need a terra blade to make it”
hollow shell
It is, but it was made by Terry and
its got the same spirit
worthy fiber
hehe
queen sail
Terry fucks with the code in some ways and makes beautiful things
Like
Have you seen what he’s done with boss ais
hollow shell
Throw a celestial pillar at you
lost agate
Well, the point of it being okay on a weapon its that the weapon doesnt like self destruct after a few uses
hollow shell
Yeah it's not consumable
lost agate
You sip a yharon kill in one potion
bitter drift
you need to kill 8 YHARONS to get this weapon
queen sail
So?
hollow shell
If you die during your Darksun farming, you need to go kill Yharon again in order to use the potion again
lost agate
Yes and you may need infinite yharon to use all the potions you want
bitter drift
no it's for the entire day
hollow shell
And let me tell you
It is easy to die during Darksun farming
When you die you lose your buffs, Adir
lost agate
^
queen sail
And you need to kill one darksun mothron and do 5 minutes of blood moon zerg farming for the alternative recipe
See how unbalanced it is?
bitter drift
wait a sec
hollow shell
It'd be so much better to replace that Yharim's Gift with like
3 Darksun Fragments
You'd need to kill one Mothron, and you're set
(until you die)
(then you make another with the materials that you do have, because Mothron drops like 20 fragments)
bitter drift
here no longer a potion
hollow shell
adir please
queen sail
Wh
hollow shell
what are you doing
queen sail
I have no idea where you’re going at this point
Annnnnnnnnnd it’s gone
:whenlifegetsatyou:
@gloomy hazel also did you miss the other part of the sentence
Because i already stated why
gloomy hazel
I missed the whole conversation, in fact
gloomy hazel
Mmh...
void kelp
I was gonna make a joke abt how calamity world dungeons don’t need that sub-biome since it already happens w the abyss eating the dungeon
smoky wagon
I think the reason the first phase calamitas lacks a unique theme is to make the second one feel more climatic
The first phase i dont even consider the real fight considering how short it is
queen sail
Also it’s meant to be an initially underwhelming fakeout
With the real battle happening like
20 seconds after
fierce iris
this mod has very few actual backgrounds
honestly replacing the flat orange with a big sun would make the fight better
because her projectiles have low contrast against it
void kelp
the low contrast makes dodging harder than it needs to be
fierce iris
also big moon already happens in the pilliars
void kelp
but not moon fight
errant cobalt
how about adding an alternate background for the hallow where all the trees are burning for the fight
gloomy hazel
why not?
hollow shell
@oblique geyser Profaned Guardians and Signus, too?
gusty geode
I mean, if the flooded Dungeon rooms already happen
Why not just add to the non-existent spawn list for water Dungeon enemies
queen sail
@errant cobalt Good suggestion
Now consider this
Convince the dev team to code a summoner weapon
queen delta
I'm playing as a summoner, and would love to see more weapons
But at the same time, I know why summoners don't get any love
Cuz summoner AI is 
to code
icy cove
Make Scal's bullethell blasts start from farther away from the player.
Why: purely for multiplayer purposes, the blasts only target one player and if the other player(s) are farther away they can get hit instantly.
hollow shell
Having them always come from the edges of the arena might be a good idea
Then again it'd take a while for the bullets to get to you if you're playing on Normal or Expert
errant cobalt
i would like to see more support for multiplayer in the hive mind fight
radiant meadow
Didn't the charges literally just get fixed?
icy cove
Maybe as a fix to that, the bullethells would last slightly longer, say 17 seconds
errant cobalt
they did?
distant gyro
ngl if bhs were to spawn from arena boundaries it sound horrendous
queen delta
Hive mind is still one of the most wonkiest boss fights in multiplayer due to how he moves
errant cobalt
yes
queen delta
Just have the bhs start at edge of deathmode arena, and have that same distance for all modes
radiant meadow
@sullen sedge @bitter drift no exo weapon suggestions
They're usually way to complicated and won't get added. It's on the document of things not to suggest.
queen delta
if you're at that area, it'd be on you anyways
bitter drift
i already was told about that
i was allowed to keep it on cuz many liked it
hollow shell
People usually like exo weapon suggestions
(if they're not illegible)
I'm conflicted on it
queen delta
exo weapons are kool
radiant meadow
@warm tinsel the issue with updating the music mod is the size
With 3 new songs, it'll be even fatter.
Suggesting that they be added will not speed up the process
queen delta
How big is the music mod?
smoky wagon
we need an exo gun
queen delta
and how big is main calamity mod?
hollow shell
17MB
frail mantle
imo the Mortal Mortar sounds like the Heavenly Gale except it's a launcher instead of a bow
radiant meadow
Music is very fat
queen delta
Huh music takes more space than game files
hollow shell
Way more space
queen delta
Perhaps that's why vanilla terraria reuses the same few music
radiant meadow
Also I'm in favor of banning all or none of the exo suggestions
frail mantle
me too tbh
queen sail
Laughs in Underground Desert/Jungle tracks for 1.3.6 @queen delta
queen delta
Well, what if its an exo accessory?
hollow shell
@red stratus He only shoots lasers once you destroy his laser arm, iirc
frail mantle
afaik none of the classes really need a new exo weapon
bitter drift
i think the situation is good as it is with exo weapons
radiant meadow
No, they shoot some
queen delta
Summoner only has 1 exo weapon
worthy fiber
Closest we have to an exo-accessory is the Sponge
radiant meadow
But more when laser arm dies in death
queen delta
Pretty sure he starts shooting laser circles at 20% regardless of laser arm
red stratus
MY WORLD IS ACTIVELY RUNNING OUT OF LEAD
full bramble
laser arm is ez to destroy
bitter drift
in death
queen delta
Buy materials from permafrost for more summons
errant cobalt
just dont get hit lol
red stratus
I KEEP FLYING INTO SPACE WITH MY MOAB BY ACCIDENT
red stratus
I THOUGHT THE MOAB WOULD HELP
bitter drift
WHY DO YOU GPO TO SPACE
red stratus
BUT IT KEEPS FLYING ME TOO HIGH
queen sail
Are you using a grav pot
red stratus
No
queen sail
How big is your world
red stratus
Medium
bitter drift
on what world are you (big small)
queen delta
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_z7SiEV3r4M&feature=youtu.be try this for reference
queen sail
errant cobalt
flying you too high
hollow shell
Great, the wiki has no info about head firing lasers
only what causes head to fire lasers more often :<
queen sail
Imagine not going large
icy cove
Skelly prime doesn't have to much health, so its fairly balanced
frail mantle
Prime is indeed hard, but i'm pretty sure he's meant to be the hardest Mech
bitter drift
but in one thing i agree
these lasers should be nerfed a bit (maybe remove 3 lasers)
queen delta
Brimmy is pretty much as hard as prime
frail mantle
imo Brimmy is way easier than Prime
red stratus
And Skeletron Prime is going so slow
queen delta
so you're kinda stuck for soul of fright
red stratus
When I fight Skeletron Prime I don't go nearly as fast
fleet plaza
Sounds like you need to get good
queen sail
Brimmy's easy if you disable frame skip
fleet plaza
Bitch
red stratus
And Skeletron Prime doesn't go nearly as slow
queen delta
Check gear at the end
red stratus
How do you go so fast?
queen delta
Typically nohitters use frog leg/aero stone combo
fleet plaza
get some buff potions instead of being lazy and follow the class setups guide on the wiki
distant gyro
Skele prime is even faster in death mode iirc
hollow shell
Aero Stone helps
bitter drift
yes
distant gyro
you are recommended to use treads + frog leg + aero stone + frozen wings tbh
queen sail
DS is an absolute joke so you can't say you're not willing to grind him
red stratus
Does soul of Cryogen count as frozen wings?
errant cobalt
@fleet plaza 😎
queen delta
if no treads, just use spectre boots - frostspark boot
hollow shell
the ice theme isn't the important part lol
queen delta
just use starlight wings
queen delta
it's more easier to get
bitter drift
cryonic wings
red stratus
You have to KILL Skeletron Prime before you can BUY his summoning item
queen delta
Don't forget enchanted metals from permafrost
distant gyro
enchanted metal from permafrost
queen delta
Those can be used to make more summons
queen sail
Plat is pretty easy to rack up once hardmode is reached
EoC swarms usually do the trick for money
worthy fiber
@mental path I suggest you just keep the Aureus part of the suggestion
since y'know AD being later
mental path
i think having both is fine
red stratus
Well thanks, still really salty about skelly's laser circles but I'll give it some more tries since you can buy the summoning item
frank stratus
you just have to be a decent distance away from prime, and then the laser circles aren't much to deal with
worthy fiber
Keep it consistent with the other chests though 😔
mental path
yeah that too
hollow shell
I hear rumor that whether you circle Skele Prime clockwise or counter-clockwise can drastically change the difficulty of the fight
queen delta
I go clockwise which really helps
hollow shell
Yeah that's already changed
I don't know why we didn't do the key thing
Maybe programming difficulties
frank stratus
wait
queen delta
Maybe spriting laziness?
queen sail
Probably because key grinding get boring?
frank stratus
you mean going clockwise is better than going counter-clockwise and sometimes vice versa?
or you mean circling in general
queen sail
We have bosses that drop biome keys though
queen delta
It probably has to do with how prime's lasers are oriented
hollow shell
Let me go check which one is the good one
frank stratus
i usually start clockwise if prime spawns on the right side, or counter clockwise if he starts on my left
hollow shell
Counter-clockwise
is the easier one
frank stratus
huh
queen delta
It probably has to do with personal preference
I went mostly clockwise for my summoner playthrough and managed to survive for like 6-7 minutes doing that
hollow shell
Nah this isn't a me thing
It was discussed in the tester channel
It's due to the orientation of the laser circles and/or the distances between the lasers
because it's not an even spread
hollow shell
@unkempt panther What would it be a "rare" of?
Or are you just meaning that it's uncommon?
unkempt panther
it uncommon.
gloomy hazel
Uuuhg...dammit
void kelp
#lore-discussion describes that too!
radiant meadow
@hollow shell there wasn't an astral key to make it more unique and less rng based
hollow shell
mmm I don't like that
ashen warren
lmao just delete the suggestion
manic current
Irony's suggestion with >90 stars: No check
Breaks' suggestion with 23 stars: Flag
frail mantle
it'll get sent in Eventually™
also i'm guessing that Break's suggestion was going to be added anyway, so they just flagged it
manic current
I really like both suggestions. I just wish they got the same treatment
hollow shell
Checkered Flag is not a ✅
Checkered Flag means that it's implemented
Not necessarily because of the suggestion
It's just that
the thing it was suggesting got in
((in this case, it's because it was gonna happen anyway))
queen delta
Also, didn't my suggestion about philosopher's stone being moved to deific amulet got in?
Unless fab moved something else
manic current
128 stars and green check
hollow shell
Yeah, lemme go through the recent changelog ones real quick
novel pebble
hollow shell
Done flagging
hollow shell
True, marked.
delicate raft
1.14 hmm
queen sail
Anyways hell no we’re not
queen delta
ironically, minecraft recently released 1.14
queen sail
- Master Mode is post ml
ivory heart
lol
queen sail
- Who wants stat boosts to already difficult bosses as they are now
hollow shell
Master Mode isn't Post-ML
It's unlocked as an option by beating ML
like how you can't choose your world evil until you beat WoF
queen sail
Makes it redundant since it’s just stat boosts
Tbh
Having rev bosses’ stats be tripled?
Ew
hollow shell
We don't know how we're gonna handle Master Mode yet but we're definitely not buffing Rev for it
hollow shell
@fast helm iirc Red said it won't have any exclusive drops, only stat changes
But just in case they pull a fast one on us
yes
they could be ported to Rev
void kelp
so many flags it’s amazing
fast helm
yup
queen delta
suggestions are finally getting some love
hollow shell
It's beautiful, isn't it?
hollow shell
Yeah, as usual
void kelp
I mean, QoL is the most likely to be implemented versus like. “Hey Add a new boss haha wouldn’t it be cool!!”
hollow shell
replace "boss" with "weapon" and you actually have like 1/4 of suggestions
queen delta
or
civic pond
what the fuck did i just read
also i feel like the suggestions being added were just stuff that was going to be added anyways..
queen delta
nah not really
hollow shell
Definitely not all of them
queen delta
theyre pretty no-brainers that definitely fit in the game, but fab probably wouldnt have thought of them at any time
civic pond
well i've been away for a few days
void kelp
||some of the suggestions have really poor English that’s basically impossible to read too||
civic pond
wack
queen delta
its up to us to give fab those no-brainer ideas
civic pond
and spider is also right
hollow shell
Specific stuff like Fungal Clump's range while holding a summon weapon, some worm bosses flying upward, Young Siren functioning as if in water while holding the Levi & Siren lore
void kelp
Tbh the suggestions are basically for people to give devs obvious things that they overlooked
hollow shell
probably wouldn't've come about if it weren't for the suggestions
queen delta
yes
hollow shell
Ye
civic pond
epic
void kelp
my only suggestion that’s made it into a big game is on slay the spire, which was basically me being like “hey why isn’t there a cultist + chosen fight?? they’re never together even tho they’re the same theme” and now it’s a fight responsible for killing thousands of runs >;)))
civic pond
hollow shell
Nice
void kelp
I’d love to see more whip type weapons ngl
civic pond
we have like 4
hollow shell
I once made a suggestion to the game Heat Signature about how the enemy AIs were predictable and all very similar, and that they should have more unique and challenging movements
and their next major update was totally centered around that
queen delta
mourningstar was pretty fun to use ngl
hollow shell
(probably a commonly suggested thing so I won't take credit for it
it was still cool though)
hollow shell
lol
civic pond
We only have 4 swung flails in the game
elder mist
These master mode things are making me want to shoot a bullet through my neck
like so: 
Master mode is gonna bring nothing but a huge amount of pain, and we're already in the middle of discussion about what we're going to do with it, so please keep master mode suggestions (and subsequently, anything involving 1.4) until after the update comes out.
terse sundial
please
civic pond
sounds like a pin to me tbh
devout seal
Well, from what we know about master mode
it just multiplies boss stats by 3.
devout seal
no exclusive loot, nothing.
just 3x stats.
elder mist
We don't know that just yet
devout seal
Red said exactly that, though.
terse sundial
did he?
devout seal
elder mist
Yeah ofc
civic pond
wack
devout seal
oh, well i've only seen it posted once, and it was in the thorium discord.
nevermind, then.
elder mist
I'm already aware of it, and I will continue to only believe master mode is gonna trash after it comes out so I can judge it
real parrot
rogue is essentially throwing
yeah no
throwing is also getting scrapped in vanilla 1.4, so any changes to the throwing class and its weapons would be a moot point
hollow shell
@worn charm See the "Suggestion Don'ts" document in pins
Throwing and rogue will not be given compatibility between each other
worn charm
radiant meadow
@clever dome there is a channel in the art server for that
devout seal
You can find that in the art server
delicate raft
wooden leaf
Why ping me
hollow shell
You starred Solario's suggestion
proven tide
Is this a ☑ ?
hollow shell
@forest shale See the "Suggestion Don'ts" doc in pins
proven tide
yupp
hollow shell
That is frequently suggested
very frequently
to the point where it is now disallowed
small talon
unbelievable how much it is suggested
forest shale
oh, i didn´t know.
first in whatever channel you're messaging to
forest shale
ok thanks.
proven tide
s e L F S TA R
dusty stirrup
Imagine waiting for 1.4 to be out btw
full bramble
just make it release 4head
icy cove
Make RoD unable to tp you out of Scal's arena.
Why: It can be quite annoying if you miss click during the fight and then you basically have to restart.
ashen warren
Kites are blech nechst update
proven tide
@icy cove are you telling me you're not using the normality relocator?
icy cove
Well that too, i meant you shouldn't be able to tp out with any items
civic pond
you guys use teleports?
icy cove
Well normality relocator and RoD yeah
icy cove
Rod is easier to use if you're playing summoner
proven tide
...how
radiant meadow
maybe the fact that rod doesn't cause you to plummet 50 feet after using it
but I guess that's personal preference
frank stratus
true
i personally haven't used the relocator but i would have the rod and relocator on me at the same time
just in case theres a spot that falling would be dangerous
arctic notch
?
proven tide
adding onto previous suggestions is allowed and someone's own take on a suggestion can sometimes receive more support than the original and get sent through
b u u u t it's usually just a case of why not get the previous suggester to edit theirs
marsh gust
marsh gust
ye delete it
radiant meadow
@rancid laurel where would hive mind/perfs fit into progression?
what would happen to aerialite?
rancid laurel
As for progression, I’d be fine with almost anywhere except post moon lord
queen delta
but at the same time, those bosses really keep prehardmode alive
radiant meadow
and where would it fit in hardmode without it being cramped?
queen delta
^ is also the problem
radiant meadow
astrum deus just got moved since post plant pre golem felt too cramped
queen delta
what if instead of putting it into hardmode, we put it post skeletron or post slime god?
radiant meadow
I can't see hive mind more powerful than slime god
rancid laurel
I don’t think hardmode would be cramped because of the whole open-ness of it and the choose your path kind of thing
queen delta
true
rancid laurel
Maybe they could be optional
radiant meadow
It doesn't really work like that
queen delta
i'm up for seeing them moved elsewhere, but unfortunately theres no other place for them
rancid laurel
True, but some contribute more to progression than others, like Calamitas replacing Plantera
Meanwhile desert scourge and crabulon you can completely skip
radiant meadow
calamitas doesn't really replace plantera as it doesn't unlock the dungeon
but like, you could just fight plantera 
rancid laurel
I’ve never done calamitas before Plantera anyway though
devout seal
You easily can.
Just kill brimmy first, use abbadon, kill calamitas, and you can get ectoplasm pre plantera.
queen delta
i always fight calamitas before plantera because i wanna be fully prepared
if i die to plant, its incredibly punishing as the summons are hard to make and bulbs arent common
killing calamitas is really rewarding
pliant bone
Calamitas' summon is really easy to make compared to Plantera's
Main reason why I go for Clone first.
sinful violet
also arena
fierce iris
there are legit some sick things we can make kites out of in this mod
literally every worm boss and calamitas come to mind
little jolt
I think a buff with new drops is more reasonable
fierce iris
jerod kite
little jolt
Maybe if we’re actually creative they can get an ai change too or something if possible but lol
ashen warren
maybe place hive mind/perforators just right after WoF, and killing them can slow the spread of those biomes by a amount
ashen warren
they can add a few changes to them and besides you can only get one wing pre hm and who would even get wings for them anyway?
smoky wagon
if they get put into hardmode then they should be designed for basic preperations using hardmode materials
including wings
wooden leaf
that means more work for devs
ashen warren
your right just dont suggest anything so they have less work /s
wooden leaf
i mean its gonna be hard adjusting a prehm boss to hm
no just more, tats a lot of work
ashen warren
im no dev or coder or anything but isnt just increasing values?
ashen warren
what is that suggestio nlolol
spark flax
"just increasing stats makes the boss tier appropriate, its ez!"
B o s s R u s h w o u l d b e g t o d i f f e r
queen delta
oh god
hollow shell
@tawny minnow Use this channel to discuss suggestions. You can add to the star reaction for suggestions that you support
Also, boss suggestions are not allowed
zenith hazel
well there's like a whole group of bosses before yharim
queen delta
this feels like a "hmm, we need more bosses. welp ima just post it here"
zenith hazel
4 of which are his loyal servants
hollow shell
We already have the remaining bosses that will be added to the mod planned out.
tawny minnow
then what about adding 100% or 0,5% droprate items to specific bosses which are materials part of Yharim's spawn item?
hollow shell
Sure that's allowed I guess
tawny minnow
after all, he isn't just any boss. You had that going with Devourer of Gods for a reason, kind of
zenith hazel
would that fall into this category?
hollow shell
Ahh hmm crud
I forgot that was in there, lol
tawny minnow
that's the fight mechanics, not how you make it happen
hollow shell
Yeah sorry, nevermind
Best not to suggest anything regarding Yharim
tawny minnow
okay
queen delta
Just focus on the now
tawny minnow
ashen warren
Scaling items is a nono
devout seal
It's already strong enough to mine everything up to exodium, it's just got a block blacklist.
'tis why you can't go directly to the abyss and get chaotic ore, or lihzahrd bricks
placid moth
Um, isn't there already a cap on what onyx excavator can mine ?
devout seal
Yup.
zenith hazel
pretty cool sprite
what could make it cooler is if it was the sword from the original zelda
grizzled abyss
Yes, but i wanted to make it terraria style while sticking to the limitations
The original zelda sword is horizontal and would need to be a shortsword
And who wants one of those
zenith hazel
you'd be surprised
grizzled abyss
Lol I suppose
The point isnt the sprite lol, just an example. I just wanna see an nes limitations sword in terraria lol
grizzled abyss
Whew
Took awhile
But I decided to not be lazy and actually come up with something for it to do
bitter drift
sounds nice but there is something i want to suggest
if the hard mode books can be dropped by the book mimic
then make the demon scythe and book of skulls to be dropped by the book mimic in PHM
and the magnet sphere Lunar flare and razor blade typhoon books in PML
what do you thing batty?
grizzled abyss
Well, thats why i said possibly others as well after each part
bitter drift
well i just typed the rest of the book in the game XD
there are only 9 books in vanilla
grizzled abyss
Well, this is calamity, no one said they only need to drop vanilla books lol
bitter drift
but when you think of the dungeon (a place that wasn't touched by calamity much [at least just a bit more then the hallow D:]) you don't think of the mod it self
the dungeon is still relatively the same
grizzled abyss
Well yes
But its just a book dropping mob
You dont need to go so specific lol
Who cares
bitter drift
the only calamity books i can think is the astral book
frank stratus
tradewinds is the aerialite spell tome
bitter drift
i told it's name
just now
the name is starfall
grizzled abyss
Lol we know
bitter drift
grizzled abyss
I was talking about a different book
thin bobcat
Do you guys know any pre providence magic weapons
bitter drift
let me look
ruby cobalt
too bad most books are craftable and you're overcomplicating an alright suggestion for no real reason
bitter drift
asteroid staff
void kelp
oh wow I love that book mimic suggestion
Also, the wiki exists for a reason @thin bobcat
ruby cobalt
that's the problem with what you're trying to do
grizzled abyss
Nah im not making it drop every book
grizzled abyss
Oh
void kelp
it’s definitely a cool concept that could be a good alternative to getting say, the waterbolt
bitter drift
yas
grizzled abyss
Was the point so yay
bitter drift
it is a cool way to do it
frosty kindle
definitely good in terms of getting golden shower in corruption worlds, and vice-versa
because hoo boy is that spellbook potent in many ways
void kelp
what about it being a bigger book to differentiate them, maybe?
imagine going to the dungeon to raid the bookshelves because you want the piss book that badly
void kelp
yeah I like the idea; starred
grizzled abyss
Its not that great
frosty kindle
the suggestion is simply a design concept, if the devs put it in-game, it'll likely be spruced up to fit the mod
grizzled abyss
Yes, probably
bitter drift
ya
but honestly why does the dungeon and hallow are so forgotten in calamity
grizzled abyss
Mostly i wanted to come up with a good reason to be in the dungeon for calamity content
bitter drift
except portalguist
bitter drift
yes
grizzled abyss
This is right away lol
bitter drift
agreed
as right away you can get into the dungeon
cuz dead skelly = can into the dungeon
grizzled abyss
Well no
But you can break books without killing skelly
And it wouldnt be unlikely to find a few
bitter drift
yes but will it drop anything (remember it's still a small chance to spawn one and get a book from it)
frosty kindle
the stats don't have to be exact which is why the suggestion of yours is good, batty
books will likely have their drop chances reduced depending on when in the game you'd get them
grizzled abyss
Thats fair
bitter drift
ya cuz what if you get a razorblade typhoon in pre cryogen
frosty kindle
it'll probably be made in a way that you can only get the spellbooks once you've gone past the specific point in game
grizzled abyss
Thats the idea
frosty kindle
e.g: you can't get a razorblade typhoon until fishron has been defeated
but fishron is toootally a pre-mech boss lol
zenith hazel
you can kill fishron pre-mechs if you're that guy
grizzled abyss
Lol
That doesn’t really count
Unintentional boss order isn’t something you should really include in this kinda stuff lol
bitter drift
lul
zenith hazel
besides, calamity has a lot of spell books
grizzled abyss
Ye, thats why i thought this would work
zenith hazel
but boss progression has to be taken into consideration for this
or progression in general
grizzled abyss
Ye, just not beating leviathan prehm
zenith hazel
like the fact that we can't make it drop something like The Dance of Light pre-providence lol
zenith hazel
making it drop SSV would be kinda weird too
bitter drift
your suggestion looks popular 14 stars at it's first hour
i can only dream