suggestions-discussion

[zenith hazel]

yeah but wdym by attack speed and melee speed

[bitter drift]

by attack speed i mean how much time it take to swing the sword again or shoot an arrow/bullet the faster the attack speed the less time between the attacks
by melee speed i mean how fast is the swing it self the faster the melee speed the faster the swing speed of a sword

[zenith hazel]

so use time

[bitter drift]

that attack speed

[zenith hazel]

yes, it's called use time

[queen sail]

That’s called use time

[bitter drift]

so i'll fix it

[queen sail]

There’s a specific cap on that

Though weapons that reach that cap are mostly endgame only

[bitter drift]

but this has slow use time

also fixed

[queen sail]

If the use time is slow then the weapon is slow by default

Use time is basically just speed

[bitter drift]

wdym

[queen sail]

If a gun has a modifier that increases its speed, it decreases its use time

If you say that your spear has slow use time, then it’s going to be slow

[bitter drift]

gun and swords are a different things

[queen sail]

You realize that this applies to every weapon in the game right

[bitter drift]

it's like the difference between velocity and use time

[queen sail]

Bullet speed is velocity

That’s an entirely different modifier specifically for ranged

Like how negative mana cost is for mage

[bitter drift]

ya i know but isn't there a modifier for melee that changes how fast the swing it

[queen sail]

The modifier you’re talking about

is use time

[bitter drift]

so you can't have a weapon that attack slow but move fast?

[queen sail]

What do you even mean by that

Attack fast but not often

[bitter drift]

no

to attack it's a slow time
but the attack it self is really fast

[queen sail]

No

The spear’s overall speed is use time

[bitter drift]

FUCK

[queen sail]

If you affect it, it affects how fast or slow it goes

[bitter drift]

ebon pike (melee spear)(post hivemind)
slow use time, if an enemy got hit by the front it will inflict broken armor, long range, high knockback AND DOESN'T HAVE AUTOFIRE
how it's attack: it's attack like a normal spear but it make you dash to the direction you attack with it towards
(if attacking at the ground and hitting and the ground have more then 5 block under it, it shall make you jump to the direction of your arrow impaling your pike to the ground at the place you land [in hope of hitting an enemy])
((if attacking at the ground and hitting and the ground have less then 5 block under it, it shall attack into the ground impaling anyone that happens to be under you while passing thought blocks [also doing double damage])
made by 50 ebon wood, 5 demonite bar, 6 true shadow scales at a demon alter
or get it as a drop from the hive mind

here removed it

[queen sail]

“Inflicts broken armor”

Already another issue i see with it

[bitter drift]

what is it

[queen sail]

Broken armor has a reason to be hardmode only

Things that decrease enemy defense are usually strong as fuck

E.g ichor

[distant gyro]

maybe inflicts cursed flames

btw ichor is phm now thanks to perfs lore hahaues

[bitter drift]

is there any PHM debuff that decreases defense

[distant gyro]

ichor lole

[queen sail]

Ichor

[zenith hazel]

technically ichor

(perfs lore)

[queen sail]

But none of the weapons you have access to inflict it

Until hardmode

[bitter drift]

but isn't Ichor stronger then broken armor

[distant gyro]

broken armor is half defense, ichor is -20

[zenith hazel]

hence why that type of ichor is exclusive to crimson only

[bitter drift]

so it is stronger

[distant gyro]

so if a target has 100 def; broken armor is -50

[queen sail]

You gave your spear

[elder mist]

Ichor also reduces DR in calamity

making it better

[bitter drift]

BUT NO ENEMY IN PHM HAVE 40 DEFENSE

[distant gyro]

and cursed flames by 20%

[elder mist]

than any defense reducing debuff

[zenith hazel]

skeletron does

[distant gyro]

ichor by 25%

[zenith hazel]

100 defense before hands are killed

and 9999 during the day

[queen sail]

Why are you trying to give your spear a defense shattering debuff

[bitter drift]

you are already ded if you touch his head at that time

[zenith hazel]

probably a reason to use true melee

[bitter drift]

and because IT'S A FUCKING SHARP WOODEN STUMP

[queen sail]

1. That forces it and would have the same issues as nonpatched legendaries except with spears

[zenith hazel]

also why are you attacking the ground with the spear for it to have an effect

[queen sail]

2. Defense breaking debuffs really should just be hm only

[bitter drift]

when you try you best to be creative

[queen sail]

Also it doesn’t matter what kind of spear it is

[bitter drift]

yes my first one was to generic

[queen sail]

There has to be something that balances its gimmick out

The birb spear’s immunity frame ignoring and healing is countered by its short range

[zenith hazel]

impractical =/= creative

[bitter drift]

you don't get invincibility frames at the dashes

[queen sail]

That and it got nerfed recently anyways

Crimson Scarf: Just standing there

[bitter drift]

me: grab popcorn

i almost think i should just make it a rogue weapon

[zenith hazel]

so... throw the spear...?

[bitter drift]

the stump and yes

[zenith hazel]

which causes broken armor?

[bitter drift]

yes i do believe that throwing a high velocity stump with a pointy head at you made from something stronger then platinum will cause that

[zenith hazel]

that’s so broken

[bitter drift]

it's slow VERY SLOW

[queen sail]

It doesn’t matter

Broken armor is literally broken pre hm

[bitter drift]

#idk how to make my words have another effect

[zenith hazel]

yeah, not make it inflict broken armor

[bitter drift]

better then Ichor

[zenith hazel]

no matter how slow the weapon is, people are gonna get around it

better than ichor is more than enough to make it broken

[bitter drift]

how and what if i make the broken armor last 1.5 seconds

[zenith hazel]

ichor in pre-hm is niche

[queen sail]

You can’t even inflict ichor pre hm

[zenith hazel]

yes you can

[bitter drift]

no Ichor is worst then broken armor at that stage

[zenith hazel]

perfs lore

[queen sail]

Is there smth that balances it out

[zenith hazel]

broken armor is worse than broken armor, what?

it only works in the crimson biome

[queen sail]

Ah

Well then i guess it’s kinda fine

[zenith hazel]

hence why it’s sometimes a good strat to fight slime god in the crimson

[bitter drift]

what

[zenith hazel]

you get a free RoD as well thanks to BoC’s lore

[bitter drift]

so

[queen sail]

Uh

[zenith hazel]

what does your statement even mean, adir

[queen sail]

You can only have one lore item active though

Right

[zenith hazel]

you can have multiple

nvm you fixed it

[queen sail]

What

Oh

[zenith hazel]

they stack

[queen sail]

Yeah because having multiple active is broken

[bitter drift]

i never saw anything that said there is a way to gain something out of these lore items other then lore

[zenith hazel]

#changelogs

[queen sail]

#changelogs

Fucj

Ninjad

[zenith hazel]

it’s been like that for 2 weeks

and fab announced that like more than a month ago

[queen sail]

Also the lore item boosts are

Some help out a lot

[bitter drift]

still should i make it a rogue weapon (the stump)

[zenith hazel]

still more broken than the true melee weapon you had

you gave it more range

[queen sail]

It doesn’t matter what you do with it

The fact that it inflicts a defense decreasing debuff already makes it broken

Perf lore item gets balanced out by being hardlocked to work in the crimson only

So that means the only bosses it’ll work on is boc and the perfs themselves

Unless you bring bosses there yourself

[zenith hazel]

DS lore + perfs lore in crimson desert tho

[queen sail]

[bitter drift]

still you say Ichor is better to add to that weapon then broken armor
removing 20 defense is better then removing 5 or 10 as i know right

[zenith hazel]

what we’re saying is ichor is hardlocked to a biome

your weapon has that debuff installed on it

or broken armor, whatever

[queen sail]

You can take the weapon anywhere

While the lore item is programmed to only work in the crimson

[bitter drift]

then wot should i do!
make another new debuff for this weapon

[queen sail]

You can’t use abuse the lore item on wof

[bitter drift]

IT WILL DO NOTHING TO WOF

[queen sail]

Give the spear above average speed or damage

[zenith hazel]

yes it does

[queen sail]

Something that will make it worthwhile but not make the other choices seem worthless by comparison

[zenith hazel]

despite it being slow, WoF is gigantic

the spear is almost guaranteed to hit one of its weak spots if you aim right

free broken armor

[bitter drift]

WoF have 3 defense at the eyes non at the mouth
broken armor remove 1/2 of it's NON EXISTENT defense

[queen sail]

That’d still do an ungodly amount of dps for pre hm

Defense would probably go into negatives

[bitter drift]

by what 1 damage point

👌🏻

[zenith hazel]

considering WoF has a lot of hp, that will add up quickly

[bitter drift]

ya + 1 damage point for every hit on the eyes
yayay

[queen sail]

You’re wanting to give this weapon a defense shattering debuff without ever considering why that stuff’s usually locked to hardmode

And it really doesn’t matter

You could just smack the wof parts with the spear then go ranged

It’d still count because the debuff’s there

[bitter drift]

how about i mix both ideas (make it both range and melee) and balance the broken armor by it being gotten only by the melee part and a low amount of time of the debuff (like maybe 2 seconds)

[queen sail]

“Gotten only by the melee part”

Like

How spears usually work?

[bitter drift]

yes

is there a problem

[queen sail]

Also going by what you said you’d be doing 1 damage with the spear on wof, i’m assuming your idea was to balance it out by giving the spear low damage

[zenith hazel]

keep in mind that this is a hive mind drop and it’s that broken

[queen sail]

But if if the debuff time is short then

Why would you use it

[bitter drift]

no +1 damage point to the WoF eye when broken armor is in effect

[queen sail]

How about this

[bitter drift]

throw at me

[queen sail]

Name any other spear you’d use on wof besides this one

[zenith hazel]

amidias’ trident

[bitter drift]

non (why would i use trash weapons)

[wooden leaf]

That is op actually

[queen sail]

That has ranged so it kinda gets balanced out

[zenith hazel]

amidias’ trident is great wdym

[queen sail]

Then again, don’t melee weapons become mana free magic weapons eventually

[wooden leaf]

Wot

[zenith hazel]

mirror blade

[bitter drift]

lol

[zenith hazel]

but yes, trident over bonus damage any day

[bitter drift]

you made me laugh

[queen sail]

Also yeah you’d treat post skeletron amidias trident like a ranged weapon

[zenith hazel]

you don’t even need to get close to WoF

[wooden leaf]

Buff alc NPC Ugandan Knuckle is Deathmode

[queen sail]

The thing is i’m talking about spears that do make you go close

[zenith hazel]

the whirlpools go through blocks anyway so why use a broken armor inflicting spear that cuts 6 defense into 3?

woah

[queen sail]

I discounted amidias’ trident because it has a projectile

[bitter drift]

yes

bravioli yes it does

[wooden leaf]

Dark Lance mofu

[zenith hazel]

also if the spear can be thrown then isn’t it a projectile?

[bitter drift]

this is why broken armor isn't as broken in PHM

HOW ABOUT WE STOP CALLING IT A SPEAR AND START CALLING IT A STUMP

[wooden leaf]

What is gow

[queen sail]

So

You want a javelin

[bitter drift]

typos

[queen sail]

Then you’re back to broken

[zenith hazel]

it’s called a pike

you called it a pike

[queen sail]

Rogue weapons are usually yeeted though

[ashen warren]

will the astral biome get a update in the future?

[queen sail]

Maybe

[zenith hazel]

maybe

[wooden leaf]

Maybe no

[bitter drift]

most likely

[ashen warren]

maybe?

[queen sail]

Depends on what they have planned

[ashen warren]

hmmmst

[queen sail]

They have a specific schedule

[wooden leaf]

We arr not devs

[zenith hazel]

point is your weapon counts as a projectile

[bitter drift]

music at least

[terse sundial]

Darksun yoyo?

[bitter drift]

yes

[zenith hazel]

you yourself even called it a melee spear

[distant gyro]

[queen sail]

Use the oracle

[bitter drift]

IT'S ACULLY PERFECT

[wooden leaf]

[queen sail]

[distant gyro]

oracle is after yharon smh

[terse sundial]

Oracle is post yharon

[queen sail]

Exactly

[zenith hazel]

use obliterator like a man

[terse sundial]

Obliterator doesn't work well for p2 though

[distant gyro]

obliterator is broh momentum

[queen sail]

Obliterator apparently doesn’t work well in general

I remember seeing a suggestion seeing memerator has more dps than it

[zenith hazel]

obliterator sucks massive ass

[terse sundial]

Nebula Lasers aren't even that strong anymore since they were synced with all DoG weps

[queen sail]

Since they were what

[wooden leaf]

Synced i think

[zenith hazel]

yes

[terse sundial]

Yeah

[queen sail]

Still see a typo

[wooden leaf]

Sinvmce

[terse sundial]

bruh moment

[queen sail]

Vruhmentum

[bitter drift]

so back to the drawing board for me (trying to get a good post hivemind weapon to balance out my crimson variant )

[zenith hazel]

a hive mind yoyo

[wooden leaf]

How about forget about that suggestion

[zenith hazel]

boom

it’s completely balanced and probably viable for skull man

[bitter drift]

k

[terse sundial]

but, what purpose would that serve?

[wooden leaf]

And boring coz not uniq

[queen sail]

Yoyo rhns

Yoyo runs

Probably

[zenith hazel]

air spinner

[terse sundial]

Code 1, Amazon, and Riptide are enough up until Slime God

[queen sail]

Wait aerialite has a yoyo

[zenith hazel]

amazon probably still works well

[queen sail]

Welp

[zenith hazel]

[bitter drift]

mainly balancing out the amount of weapon (never wanted to a hive mind weapon suggestion ANYWAY)

[wooden leaf]

Wot

[queen sail]

This is why i never usually suggest weapons

[bitter drift]

yes this is that idiotic

[queen sail]

Lots of things to consider

[wooden leaf]

[bitter drift]

i wanted to suggest a crimson flamethrower

[wooden leaf]

[bitter drift]

but then someone said that we need a new hivemind weapon for every perf one

[wooden leaf]

Y not a normal gun for hive

[terse sundial]

but shadethrower exist

[bitter drift]

FOR THE ONE THAT PLAY IN CORRUPTION

[wooden leaf]

The blood gun thing exist too

[zenith hazel]

just... fight hive mind in a corruption island

[terse sundial]

^

[wooden leaf]

[zenith hazel]

it’s not that hard to find

[bitter drift]

it is

[zenith hazel]

ranger has a shit ton of options post-perfs anyway

[placid moth]

^

[wooden leaf]

^

[bitter drift]

i can check every space in space and not find it

[terse sundial]

Ranger is fine pre-hm imo

[zenith hazel]

galeforce, molten fury, (pumpler), etc

check again

it’s a big ass island, how is it hard

[wooden leaf]

Ranged needs nerf imo

[queen sail]

Ranger and melee are choked with options throughout the mod mostly

[terse sundial]

ranged is easy mode for a reason

[distant gyro]

molten fury carries from after eow till you get archer fish post-skelly

[zenith hazel]

it already has a nerf: post-DoG

[bitter drift]

i once used 111 grav pots just to find it

[zenith hazel]

look on the correct side

[queen sail]

Don’t think the oracle and dragon pow were planned at all

Basically an exo yoyo and flail

[zenith hazel]

corruption island is always on the left

[queen sail]

Because uh

[terse sundial]

you can't nerf rangers unless you introduced damage fall-off

[queen sail]

Well

[distant gyro]

they're dono weapons

[placid moth]

damage falloff, dont

[wooden leaf]

They were donator

[terse sundial]

which isn't possible

[queen sail]

That’s probably why they even exist in the first place

[wooden leaf]

Oracle is logical tho

[zenith hazel]

tfw 2 melee donor weapons get in but not even an auric gun gets a spotlight

[terse sundial]

An Exo-Yoyo was always in planning though

[queen sail]

Because auric yoyo big meme

[bitter drift]

ya

[terse sundial]

The Oracle was just a variant of what was planned

[bitter drift]

the sad thing is that i love guns

[queen sail]

Was it what the devs had in mind though

[terse sundial]

yes and no afaik

[queen sail]

Or was it what the donator wanted it to be

[zenith hazel]

there are tons of guns

[wooden leaf]

And if you like op gun use infinity

[terse sundial]

Donor chose most of the effects, beta testers chose the stats

[zenith hazel]

guns are prominent until yharon

[wooden leaf]

Where mah auric gun

[queen sail]

Donate

Bitch

[terse sundial]

Auric gun more like trash harharyes

[distant gyro]

[wooden leaf]

Yeah if i have paypal

[distant gyro]

Auric gun more like use onyxia instead iirc

[queen sail]

Then get a job

Boi

[wooden leaf]

Or a bank acouny of any type

I have money

[queen sail]

Work for the union

[zenith hazel]

i killed scal with an onyxia, not worth it

[wooden leaf]

There will be a new melee donator wep incoming

[bitter drift]

you know i always asked my self what is these were more ammo types to flamethrowers

[wooden leaf]

There are other mods for dat

[bitter drift]

never saw that

[wooden leaf]

Google

[queen sail]

Has there been any generic gun donor weps

[distant gyro]

make purified gel a legit flamethrower ammo when combined with something in hm
boom, there's an idea for ya

[queen sail]

Not rocket launchers or snipers

Or anyth

[bitter drift]

the thing is
slime is a flamethrower ammo but flames aren't

[queen sail]

What

[distant gyro]

purified gel + living fire blocks = next flamethrower ammo confirmed?

[zenith hazel]

because how tf are you gonna store fire??

[bitter drift]

cursed flames

[distant gyro]

just a random thought, don't judge it too hard

[terse sundial]

gel 2.0

[queen sail]

Flamethrowers don’t literally shoot fire

[terse sundial]

yes

[queen sail]

They spew out a gas that gets ignited

[zenith hazel]

yes but that’s a fictional thing

[bitter drift]

so that fire they shoot is from my mind right

[terse sundial]

bruh, Terraria isn't meant to be realistic

[zenith hazel]

you can’t just create an ember, put it in a flamethrower and expect it to shoot out fire

[queen sail]

But most of the flamethrowers work that way

[zenith hazel]

because that’s literally impossible

[queen sail]

Except photoviscerator

Then again what even are the exo weapons

[zenith hazel]

gel makes sense because it’s flammable... i think

[queen sail]

That’s what the vanilla devs had in mind when they made the actual flamethrower

The very first one in 1.1

[zenith hazel]

but try using cursed flames as flamethrower ammo

oh wait...

[wooden leaf]

Cursed gel

I should suggest that lmao

[queen sail]

Ngl though

[zenith hazel]

igniting gel that was imbued with fire, this shouldn’t go wrong

[queen sail]

Having there be different kinds of gel with different effects could be interesting

[zenith hazel]

ok wall of text just apprared

[wooden leaf]

Yeah

[bitter drift]

that isn't that long

[zenith hazel]

why did you paste it in

[queen sail]

Why does it give you dryad’s blessing

[zenith hazel]

it’s in #suggestions-voting already

[queen sail]

Also how can you code something to work based on dps

[bitter drift]

just for you to know
this suggestion is nothing like the longest suggestion

[zenith hazel]

anti-butcher lol

[queen sail]

Guess that works

[frail mantle]

ok so basically
i've got an idea for a Corruption melee weapon that can count as a Corruption alt to the Aorta

[queen sail]

Sure

[zenith hazel]

yes, your next suggestions will be more incomprehensible

[sand umbra]

A weapon that switches between melee and ranged would be incredibly interesting as no weapon is currently two damage types besides maybe throwing damage weapons.

Aether's Whisper would like a word with you, I believe.

[bitter drift]

so you have to kill 2 planterra at max for you to craft the 2nd weapon

[mystic sandal]

oh shit aether's whisper

[terse sundial]

rip Aether's Whisper

[mystic sandal]

i forgot about that

[sand umbra]

Also several boomerangs possess a melee and rogue variant.

[mystic sandal]

sorry

[zenith hazel]

you kill at least 2 planteras anyway to craft terra stuff

and life boosts

[distant gyro]

Terra Gel : do you want to make terra flameburster + shroomite flamethrower armor overpowered?

[zenith hazel]

terra ammo: yes

[distant gyro]

also terra ammos inflict no debuffs afaik but they have the tendency to split

[wooden leaf]

Oh

Lemme fix

[queen sail]

@sand umbra doesn’t seem bad but please normalize your suggestion

Your doc, i mean

The only comprehensible things are the crafting recipe and the stats

On mobile at least

[sand umbra]

mobile

[queen sail]

Too lazy to go on my laptop alright boi

[sand umbra]

lole

[queen sail]

Also i use browser

Because app discord fucks over my entire computer

[sand umbra]

Oof.

[queen sail]

Don’t know why

[zenith hazel]

why god slayer inferno

there’s a flamethrower that already does that at that point

[placid moth]

I would appreciate if you simply referred to it as "gel ammo"

[zenith hazel]

much more damage is nice, yes

[placid moth]

Instead of 'to continue on that suggestion above'

And what about pink gel ?

[distant gyro]

also why "cryonic" when it's post-dog -- it just sounds off

[bitter drift]

meteor gel?

cryonic because endothermic gel sound trash

[zenith hazel]

cryonic doesn’t fit

at least endothermic gel makes sense

[placid moth]

Glacial Gel ?

[bitter drift]

you have anything that sound better?
i'll replace it

[distant gyro]

Frost?

[bitter drift]

no that is the pre upgrade

[zenith hazel]

glaciate gel xd

[placid moth]

^

[sand umbra]

Zero Gel.

[zenith hazel]

subzero gel

[placid moth]

Freeze Shock Gel

[distant gyro]

oh

[zenith hazel]

ice burn gel

oh wait that’s frostburn

[bitter drift]

here

[placid moth]

he actually did it

[zenith hazel]

kyurem is now an ammo type

[elder mist]

Do not put ice derg as an ammo

:(

[zenith hazel]

also people aren’t gonna use oblivion gel anyway

[elder mist]

Photoviscerator??

[bitter drift]

why

[zenith hazel]

cleansing blaze exists

people are gonna use the glaciate gel instead

[bitter drift]

womp womp woooooomp

[placid moth]

what ?

[zenith hazel]

wait shit, photo doesn’t inflict god slayer

whack

[bitter drift]

woooooooooomp

[zenith hazel]

it has cleansing blaze in its recipe but doesn’t inflict god slayer

[bitter drift]

[zenith hazel]

ok so people may use it but not for cleansing blaze

seriously, why doesn’t photo inflict god slayer

[placid moth]

So, if you are gonna suggest damage increase for gel, wouldn't that also mean a rework for pink gel too ?

[bitter drift]

what will it do bounce?

[distant gyro]

actually though, maybe change the tier of the cosmilite gel to luminite so there's an ammo at that tier

[frail mantle]

Core of the Hive
Literally throw a small Hive Mind at your foes. What could go wrong?
Post-Hive Mind flail
Works sorta like a normal flail, except instead of you throwing it out and it just sitting on the floor or you launching it out like the Chain Knife or Flailron, you swing it in a circle around you. If it hits an enemy it either bounces off of them and swings the other way, releasing a few Mini Eater projectiles that attack enemies. If it hits solid blocks it'll smash into the ground, creating a shockwave that pierces through enemies and moves about ten blocks before disappearing .
Crafted at an Altar with 5 Rotten Chunks, 5 Demonite Bars and 15 True Shadow Scales. Can also be dropped by the Hive Mind.
Reason for this suggestion: Melee feels a bit subpar in Pre-Hardmode up to the defeat of Skeletron. Also, while the Hive Mind only drops 7 weapons, the Perforators drop 8.

[zenith hazel]

lunar gel, yes

[queen sail]

@frail mantle lemme see

[distant gyro]

elemental gel

[bitter drift]

k altix

[zenith hazel]

only from rainbow slimes

[queen sail]

unique but at the same time

i kinda expected it to release mini eaters

because, y'know

you're throwing the hive mind, which is a cluster of corruption creatures

[frail mantle]

any opinions on what it should do upon hitting enemies/blocks?

[queen sail]

well probably what i suggested above

have it release homing mini eaters like the scourge of the corruptor

it'd make sense thematically

[frail mantle]

alright

what about when it hits the ground?

[queen sail]

uh

[bitter drift]

here changed

[queen sail]

maybe the sleepy octopod effect?

where it makes this little explosion

[zenith hazel]

inflict solar eruption
you mean daybroken?

or do you mean elemental mix

[wooden leaf]

Maybe make dank memes when hit ground

[bitter drift]

solar Eruption
the vanilla debuff

[zenith hazel]

that’s not a debuff

[distant gyro]

that's daybroken iirc

[frail mantle]

that's Daybroken

[bitter drift]

AH

[zenith hazel]

also, why daybroken instead of elemental mix?

[bitter drift]

what is elemental mix?

[zenith hazel]

a debuff...

[distant gyro]

ye it's an elemental weapon it should inflict elemental mix

a "4-in-1" debuff

[zenith hazel]

~~and daybroken sucks anyway ~~

[bitter drift]

where do you find this debuff

[zenith hazel]

in calamity

[distant gyro]

It's from all other ele weapons
https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Elemental_Mix

[bitter drift]

thanks

[frail mantle]

alrighty i'll make the sprite and commit a suggest

[bitter drift]

make the animation look like a charging hivemind

[distant gyro]

aka just adding a trail to it

[frail mantle]

i'm just making the item sprite now

if it's added and the devs somehow think my sprite is good enough i'll make the projectile and chain

emphasis on if

[amber elk]

How balanced would a dedicated mobility item be? as in one you can run, dash, and with minor flying abilities, but to a lesser extent of items that can do that on their own? I was thinking this would be for hardmode.

[distant gyro]

run + dash + flight in hardmode???

seraph tracers which is a run + flight is literally postML

[amber elk]

i was thinking drastically reduced

you'd run faster with frostspark/lightning and fly better with a decent pair of wings, but it'd save a slot for a combat or utility accessory

[distant gyro]

good luck balancing it then, it has to be not op but also has to be worth

[bitter drift]

now that i think
what about a pre boss "wings"

[amber elk]

horseshoe?

[wooden leaf]

umbrella?

[bitter drift]

no not fall damage immunity

[wooden leaf]

Umbrella horshoe combination?

itcan glide

[bitter drift]

like a frog leg + rocket boots + wing without flight time

[wooden leaf]

umbrella horshoe combo

i said it

[bitter drift]

no that isn't

the flight time is replaced with a big jump (one big jump with these wings) when flight time is done you can glide for a certain time

and you can still take fall damage

[ashen warren]

That’s interesting, but I really don’t think having high height mobility is good for preboss

[bitter drift]

good vertical mobility

not side to side

[amber elk]

that seems only good for sky islands and such. or exploring without a grapple hook

[bitter drift]

and caves

[queen sail]

Just use a thorium escape rocket

[wooden leaf]

and completely destroy eoc and slime

[ashen warren]

I mean, gravity potions already exist

[bitter drift]

or deserted scourge

[amber elk]

lots of early bosses are beaten by a rope or decently high platform

[ashen warren]

And that would completely fuck KS

[bitter drift]

it will not be that high

[ashen warren]

Frog legs plus balloon can jump over kingslime, so if you’re not going to have it as high as that, suddenly it’s pretty much the same as those items

[amber elk]

maybe increase fall speed?

[bitter drift]

when do you get balloons pre boss

[amber elk]

you can glide but not nearly as well as with some other gear

[bitter drift]

yes

[ashen warren]

You can get grav potions preboss?

[amber elk]

like an umbrella

[ashen warren]

But that’s not really my point, the point is it would end up being similar to those items

[bitter drift]

to fast

[ashen warren]

I know that I usually explore floating islands pre boss

And I’m not the only one so

[bitter drift]

i never do that

[ashen warren]

But lots of people do as soon as they get grav potions

[bitter drift]

what if you don't find one

[ashen warren]

Impossible

Dude you can just build up

did you not know that?

It’s really good for setting up arenas as well at that point, if you make platform skybridges

[bitter drift]

but it destroy astral biome

[amber elk]

so, back to the item. what's the purpose of the item?

[ashen warren]

No?

[bitter drift]

more mobility options

[ashen warren]

He was proposing a high jump preboss item, kinda like wings with slight glide

[bitter drift]

rocket boots aren't bad but i'll like to see this

[ashen warren]

You don’t get rocket boots preboss

[bitter drift]

you can

[placid moth]

If invasion occurs pre-boss, it is possible.

[ashen warren]

So, you’re saying that exploring floating islands preboss is crazy, but goblin invasion isnt?

Dude

[placid moth]

Just rope up there tbh

You can just place platforms between every planetoid

[bitter drift]

get heart crystals go to the end of the world

[amber elk]

if you want more mobility maybe balance it to a different part of the game.

[ashen warren]

^

[amber elk]

an alternative to the skyline maybe?

[placid moth]

Skyline ?

[bitter drift]

maybe post deserted scourge

[ashen warren]

Alt to wings is p much BoB

Ehhh

Post EoC

[placid moth]

BoB is always my go-to tbh

[ashen warren]

Or if you focus more on wings aspect, post EoW is a decent idea

[bitter drift]

BOB?

[distant gyro]

bundle of balloons

[ashen warren]

Possibly a drop from Perferators or hive mind, that would be interesting

[distant gyro]

it's better than skyline wings even

[bitter drift]

ah ya that is also brake this

[amber elk]

i dont trust myself without the fall damage immunity that sounds good imo. post eow high jump item.

[bitter drift]

with these wings just press space near the ground

[wooden leaf]

Providab, the sprite is not that good ya know

[ashen warren]

At least he tried you know

[bitter drift]

need more shade

[ashen warren]

Better than no sprites

[bitter drift]

ya

[wooden leaf]

So i should just slap this sprite over my suggestion?
It has all colors

[bitter drift]

XD

[wooden leaf]

devs can just take one

[ashen warren]

No please

Too excessive just like rainbow text

[wooden leaf]

I made this a while ago

[frail mantle]

Voldy

[wooden leaf]

the point is, not all sprites are good

ye?

[frail mantle]

i made it myself

of course it's shit

[wooden leaf]

can I try to remake it for u bro?

[ashen warren]

At least you provided a base to improve than no sproot

@grizzled lintel explain

[grizzled lintel]

xd

*** a yoyo that drops from hive mind ***

[frail mantle]

is this a meme suggestion

[terse sundial]

That what it seems like

[grizzled lintel]

***it rains shade below the yoyo ***

[ashen warren]

be specific or be a meme

[terse sundial]

Elaborate on it please

[grizzled lintel]

okay

wait

it works like a normal yoyo but rains shade below the yoyo

[terse sundial]

Add that then

[grizzled lintel]

nah i regret saying it

sure

[distant gyro]

drops from hive mind?

[grizzled lintel]

there isnt really much yoyos

a dank yoyo

its shaped like a small dank

[wooden leaf]

say something on the item descraption

[grizzled lintel]

wait

since

hive mind is just a bunch of things mushed together riiight

a colony of something

[terse sundial]

sure

[grizzled lintel]

sure

should i switch to lore discussion for this

[frail mantle]

if it's got nothing to do with your suggestion, probably

[grizzled lintel]

im just gonna say no

i have no idea what to put for the description lmao

[frail mantle]

do you mean the tooltip or the description of what it does

[ashen warren]

adankyoyo

[queen delta]

sees post about flail
reminds me of yoyo
hmm i should make a yoyo suggestion for post hive mind as well

[ashen warren]

Imagine not editing your message

[grizzled lintel]

xd

no

[frail mantle]

yes

[grizzled lintel]

im litterally doing a yoyo playthrough stuck on hive mind

thats litterally what gave me the idea lmao

[distant gyro]

if you get stuck on hive then why do you suggest a weapon obtained after hive 🤔

[queen delta]

Yoyo playthrough

Also ^ is very moment

[grizzled lintel]

XD

who cares

they added oracle so i wanted to try it

[queen delta]

Ok then dont give up after DoG

[grizzled lintel]

oh right

[distant gyro]

obliterator

[grizzled lintel]

i have to use heccin verdant for it

lmao

[distant gyro]

lacerator for dog*

[grizzled lintel]

rip my soul

But why

[ashen warren]

Not even solar flare or lacerator???

[grizzled lintel]

solar flare

hmm

[ashen warren]

Use the terrarian smh

[grizzled lintel]

yes

[ashen warren]

Or chik for maxibrain

[queen delta]

Terrarian only took 9 minutes to kill prov

Shouldnt take too long for DoG

[distant gyro]

[grizzled lintel]

make me suffer

wooden yoyo or rally

[queen delta]

Yes

[grizzled lintel]

yess

yoyos are weak

[bitter drift]

and strong at the same time

[grizzled lintel]

hm is just

wo

pre hm is

no

[bitter drift]

and post moon lord is oof

dude Exothicc

[grizzled lintel]

wit

wot*

[bitter drift]

copy you "why" suggestion
then edit it to your yo-yo suggestion

[grizzled lintel]

oki

i think i just made it worse lmao

[opal barn]

There are yoyos that shoot projectiles in early hardmode, there's YinYo and then Shimmerspark

[smoky wagon]

i think they meant pre-hardmode

[gloomy hazel]

Now that, the Huntsman and Blasphemy, I wouldn't say no to that. Or how about a ranged weapon that consumes mana rather than ammo? Like Mirror Blade and Aegis Blade are melee weapons that consume mana.
I'll think of a weapon that would feel "rewarding" if used properly

[grizzled lintel]

i said pre hm

.-.

i mean

typo

rip

devourer

how is it going to know if it misses

[ashen warren]

If it hits a non-enemy object or despawns, it registers as a miss

[grizzled lintel]

okay

[ashen warren]

Make an accessory called "Golden Eye" that applies ichor and marked for death

[vague karma]

that is actually cool idea, I might make it

tough it could give -5% dmg reduction, because ichor everywhere

[ashen warren]

Or if you miss, dmg reduction

[vague karma]

yeah

like if you miss marked for death for 7 sec

also it should come with corrupted and astral counterparts

The Astral one could be god salyer inferno and falling stars, but when you miss it damages you with a fallen star

not the oneshot one

Sabergun would honestly be kinda good for fight with Scal because of projectile reflecting

I have an idea for another ranged accesory

[gloomy hazel]

Yes, that's what I was thinking about

but since it's post-DoG, it wouldn't deal as much damage as most of the post-Yharon items

[full bramble]

alright

lunatic eye without a touhou reference

[vague karma]

wait a minute...

[gloomy hazel]

yes?

[vague karma]

fixed

now with a touhou reference

[full bramble]

poggers

[bitter topaz]

what
what does this mean?

@vague karma please make proper suggestions instead of whatever this means

[vague karma]

sorry

clicked enter by accident

Was trying to edit it

[ashen warren]

Ey, devourer, can you please slow down

Give some time between suggestions?

[rustic ember]

Nice enter the gungeon reference but yeah I agree with Timer

[vague karma]

Ok I'm done with suggestions for now

It was the last I had

[queen delta]

I dunno why i keep putting suggestions since 99.9% of them dont make it in the mod anyways but shrug

[vague karma]

oki

[ashen warren]

Frigid bulwark is ech tbh

[queen delta]

Well frigid bulwark is used for rampart anyways

[ashen warren]

Frankly, being a charm, it'd fit better into the deific amulet

[queen delta]

Yeah i guess

I thought about it but thought it would be too op since deific amulet is low tier

[ashen warren]

Just ask for like, frigid bars to be added

It worked for the AA

[radiant meadow]

but my deific for cryogen

[queen delta]

Lets add philosopher’s stone to deific amulet, but make it balanced by adding chaotic bars to the recipe

Termi would support

[ashen warren]

Chaotic?

Eh, try unholy cores

Might actually give them a use tbh

Post golem would make that accessory bad

[radiant meadow]

you might as well use chaotic amulet instead at that point

[ashen warren]

Or outclassed at that tier

[radiant meadow]

and take it from sigil

[ashen warren]

Or just use sigil lul

[gusty geode]

Is it legal to suggest lore?
Like, if there's anything that needs lore and doesn't have it, or perhaps something that has lore in need of fine-tuning, the fans could submit their own takes on the topic in the hopes of it being made canon

[civic pond]

it needs lens flare

i cant really call it a meme suggestion because exists

[gusty geode]

Discord bot I used to make it didn't wanna cooperate otherwise it would have plenty of flares

[hollow shell]

just add them yourself smh

Paint.NET is free

[civic pond]

google slides exists

works better than photoshop

[gusty geode]

Paint.net isn't on mobile and I was not aware you could do that with slides

[hollow shell]

oh fuck mobile image editing

uhhh
XGimp is free

[radiant meadow]

a simple lensflare is really difficult to get by Danny tbh

that's why hellyes took so much work to get onto the server

[civic pond]

oh.

so danny hates lensflare

i see.

[radiant meadow]

it's Calamity related though

[queen delta]

but lensflare

[radiant meadow]

so that's a plus

[civic pond]

ehhh

[queen delta]

Lets make everything lens flare tbh

[civic pond]

[radiant meadow]

well, it should be effort

emotes are supposed to be art

[civic pond]

so i could take a boss

and turn it into a "thonk" emote and its considered art

[radiant meadow]

hence, why pensive slime god was denied
it also looked hideous

[civic pond]

😔

[gusty geode]

There was a pensive slime god

[civic pond]

best emote iirc

[radiant meadow]

roB tried and failed miserably

[civic pond]

thats a norm for rob

[queen delta]

should be in this server cuz with all the brains here, this emote would probably be frequently used

[civic pond]

🤔

i'd prefer a thonk upgrade

[hollow shell]

I enjoy the think which falls on the floor and breaks apart

[radiant meadow]

animated emotes also have a very high chance on getting in btw

[queen delta]

I guess its time to suggest

[radiant meadow]

Danny doesn't really care since you need Nitro
as long as it isn't nsfw or something

[civic pond]

i thought this one would be perfect for a server like this

[radiant meadow]

hence why Alphi added fear emote

[hollow shell]

That's in the art server, actually

[civic pond]

oh so tHAts where i saw it

oops

[queen delta]

aight i guess ill put it in suggestions or just dm danny instead?

[radiant meadow]

tbh, Yata, why do you need to suggest it if you already have the emote

[queen delta]

so others could have it

[radiant meadow]

I wouldn't dm Danny

[queen delta]

none of my servers had it, so i had to make my own server and add it myself

[civic pond]

we have like 150 slots

and we haven't even hit 50

[radiant meadow]

I could forward it to mod chat I guess

[civic pond]

im sure this leaves room for ideas

[queen delta]

lemme get the gif file for it first

[radiant meadow]

that's not hard lol

[queen delta]

since i had to compress it a thousand times to get it small enough

[radiant meadow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/576644481193869322.gif?v=1

now just open the link and save it

[queen delta]

was that from google images?

[radiant meadow]

no

I right clicked the emote and hit "Copy Link"

[queen delta]

[hollow shell]

^ something I am surprised works and am grateful for

[civic pond]

yes

now that I think about the only person that used signus sweat was probably me

[queen delta]

Tolerance potion

[civic pond]

[queen delta]

I'm... just gonna walk away

[ashen warren]

Should there be a downside there, @strong jacinth ?

Cuz debuff immunity would pretty much mean:
Free ROD immunity
No alcohol
No Heart Attack
Anhk Shield is useless

[strong jacinth]

i said most

[ashen warren]

AA would also be ech

[queen sail]

I mean

[strong jacinth]

also ankh shield would make it obselete

[queen sail]

You’re basically asking for vanilla sadism here

[civic pond]

immunity to potion sickness

[ashen warren]

What I'm saying is, maybe later on? Or some downside.

[civic pond]

[ashen warren]

Yes

[queen sail]

I mean i hate debuffs (as in ones that are added to make a fught harder (lookin at you fuckin maso bitchron))

But that sounds pretty broken

For prehm

[terse sundial]

Margarita already exist in early Hardmode for that purpose

[strong jacinth]

lasts 2 min

[queen sail]

I mean

Still

[ashen warren]

How about a theme, like, some potion called "Antidote" - Immunity to poison n' stuff

[terse sundial]

Margarita last 3 mins lole

also, it's not needed imo, the main reason why pre-hm can de difficult is the debuffs.

[small talon]

@strong jacinth shift+enter to go down a line

[queen delta]

Tbh, just delete the suggestions and reorganize em

rn it looks like a mess

[radiant meadow]

it's not a bad idea

maybe like a less effective margarita of some sort

and I highly doubt they meant immunity to balancing debuffs like Potion Sickness and Chaos State. Please keep your arguments within reason.

[queen delta]

Please make it so theyre not immune to god slayer debuff! Astral arcanum already does that! /s

[radiant meadow]

likely only a few things like ankh charm, venom, and on fire

good idea, can't have gsi immunity for aureus and deus

[queen delta]

Perhaps the ingredients for that potion should be water bottle, 2 ankh charms, and 3 petrified mirrors

not too expensive

[radiant meadow]

:darylsuffering:

[civic pond]

how about immunity to potion sickness

[radiant meadow]

please don't

[winged ice]

you'd have to balance the potion to make it less powerful than ankh shield.

Otherwise, the shield would be a waste of an accessory slot

The suggestion could hold some good weight if the debuffs it nullified were specified

[radiant meadow]

it gives knockback immunity

not really a waste of a slot imo

[winged ice]

So does a cobalt shield

Like it makes the effort needed for an ankh shield not worth it. Granted, Asgard's valor is a good enough reason

[radiant meadow]

ye, and cobalt shield isn't a waste of a slot?

[winged ice]

Cobalt shield is definitely a waste of a slot, but if you had this potion and a cobalt shield, it would basically be the same thing as having an ankh shield.

Another variation could be that it makes you immune to debuffs that the ankh shield does not protect you from. Because I'm not well versed in my terraria debuffs, I couldn't tell you what those are. What it really needs is something to separate it from the shield without rendering the shield useless

Because if this potion was prehardmode, that would be an ankh shield tier potion for early bosses. That would cause all kinds of balancing shenanigans

[civic pond]

actually i forgot KB existed

[radiant meadow]

that's a good idea in regards to the variation, but like I said, cobalt shield isn't really a slot waste in my opinion

[winged ice]

I'm just used to knockback at this point I suppose

[civic pond]

crafted in late prehm?

now why is this better than ankh shield again?

or is it just to save a slot

[winged ice]

My logic was that this accessory slot could be saved for something else

[civic pond]

alright..

[winged ice]

For instance: A damage increasing accessory

[civic pond]

but that'd mean you could just spam that potion

again

and again

[winged ice]

Mhm

[radiant meadow]

the important phm ones would be frostburn, on fire!, venom, and burning blood

[winged ice]

I'm trying to think of ways to make the ankh shield not be invalidated by that potion

It's an interesting idea, but it has a lot of obvious kinks to it

[radiant meadow]

possibly cursed inferno/ichor

[civic pond]

not sure if this suggestion was that thought out in the first place tbh

[winged ice]

Now I actually just thought of an idea that I really liked in this mod. One of the armor sets for summoner (auric tesla and a lesser variant) have these orbitals that rotate around. I love the ideas of orbitals in games like binding of isaac. What would be a way to implement an orbital where one side inflicts ichor, and the other cursed flames?

The idea would allow for debuffing without switching weapons, but you would have to position yourself for the orbital to actually inflict the debuff

[cyan lagoon]

bloodflare?

[civic pond]

wack

[winged ice]

I mean like an accessory that allows one side of the orbital to inflict ichor, and the other cursed flame

But I used the concept of bloodflare as an example

[civic pond]

EoW lore item

??

[winged ice]

Does it have something like that?

I haven't fought it this update

[civic pond]

what you mean?

you said orbitals

[cyan lagoon]

and you mentioned the eow lore item

as if it did have orbitals

🤔

[winged ice]

Orbitals: Objects that rotate around your character

[civic pond]

oops

no rotation involved

they do however float around and inflict cursed flames

[winged ice]

Okay I was just making sure before I start fleshing out this suggestion. I like making sure that there's not something I missed

[civic pond]

wack

[radiant meadow]

eow lore is like bootleg spore sac

not orbitals

[civic pond]

alright i get it

[smoky wagon]

not having knockback immunity

Ah yes lets turn every hit into two hits why dont we

[frank stratus]

i love how suggesting a meme emote is allowed because its a server suggestion and its a good suggestion

although i'd rather just use

[ashen warren]

I mean we have these two emotes

They're about the same

[proven tide]

CAN WE HAVE HYPERSIREN BACK

[queen delta]

what u sayin

[ashen warren]

Add :why: back for this channel please

[proven tide]

@queen delta no please don't do that

aaaa my e n v y

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/586349231250472980.png?v=1

owo

thank you

[winged ice]

Well

Time to take a swing at a suggesstion

[radiant meadow]

"once again have room"

we always had room

we never hit 50 emote slots

[proven tide]

sh, it helps my point

and is technically not untrue

owo

[fickle spruce]

lunatic eye i see the touhou references

[ashen warren]

I got an idea for rogue

[proven tide]

ono brain hour

[tiny rivet]

ah yes, a man of culture as well

[marsh gust]

@dense oriole why is sandstorm the worst weapon? you need to elaborate more >.>

[tiny rivet]

^ and do you have any suggestions on how to buff it?

[dense oriole]

Srsly, no one use it

[radiant meadow]

supporting nerf/buff this weapon is best with dps tests

[sullen sedge]

I think calamity should have it's own event like pumpkin moon or something

[radiant meadow]

just because not a lot of people use something, doesn't mean it's a terrible weapon

not a lot of people use spyker, but it's a great alternative to seadragon or storm dragoon for polterghast

[sullen sedge]

Ok

[dense oriole]

Also it still use Sand as ammo

[radiant meadow]

it's a sandgun upgrade

why wouldn't it use sand?

[tiny rivet]

not a lot of people use viscera but i think it’s very useful for healing and serves as a better alternative to sanguine flare

[dense oriole]

Not like Spectral storm cannon, it doesnt have ammo reduction

[radiant meadow]

sand isn't too hard to get

[sullen sedge]

Gilded proboscis is good healing weapon for close up

Just take down the whole desert

[dense oriole]

And also that is bad for post plantera eeap

Weap

[little raptor]

nice argument

[radiant meadow]

there are other post plant weapons that don't give reduced ammo

[dense oriole]

Normal damage, Normal usingtime, gravity..

[radiant meadow]

and like I said, it's best to support these types of suggestions with dps tests

and not just sandstorm, but also other weapons of its tier

[dense oriole]

Yup, shifting sands also bad

But i want to make sandstorm useful, not offmeta

[marsh gust]

shifting sands could do the same dps as blizzard staff the last time i used it, which was meta for that tier this was pre blizzard staff nerf

[dense oriole]

[arctic tapir]

“Make it useful”

That’s so unhelpful

[wooden leaf]

buff in what?

[sudden quail]

Shifting Sands wasn't meant to be a dps weapon btw

It's meant to be crowd control

I believe Sandstorm wasn't dps-orientated either

[frail mantle]

also Minishark exists

[zenith hazel]

breaking a shadow orb/crimson heart isn't even that hard

musket balls exist as well

[ashen warren]

ok

if in D-mode it can be hard

[zenith hazel]

1 damage with a 2% chance of poison is bad because poison isn't even that great

[ashen warren]

hence its early game

[zenith hazel]

it's not hard if you know how to avoid certain enemies

[ashen warren]

making it that u want to upgrade

[zenith hazel]

what?

[ashen warren]

the low damage

it is so u want to upgrade

[zenith hazel]

the low damage bullet would mean you do not want to use it

because musket balls are way better

what's the point of upgrading if you don't even use it in the first place

[ashen warren]

it is so u can get to the orb to get musket balls

if u suck like me

[zenith hazel]

you can just rush to the orb with explosives in hand

[ashen warren]

oh ye true

[zenith hazel]

you don't need to kill anything

[ashen warren]

lol

well im keeping that up for others peoples opinion

[patent oar]

Also when you get a gun arms dealer will appear so

[fickle spruce]

"sandstorm is worst weapon, make it useful"

[frail mantle]

Idea: Starter Bag gives a few Musket Balls to make getting the Arms Dealer a bit easier