Doesn't killing Astrum Areus immediately spawn another meteor if there isn't already a ton of Astral Ore in the world
Sounds reliable enough to me
#suggestions-discussion
gusty geode
patent oar
i think the metronome would be a good drop from either Yharim or Xeroc considering they are the last progression and overall bosses in the game
it would be good if it was something to mess around with after finishing
also i think it should inflict the debuffs the projectile would usually inflict
so if you shot a cursed flame it would inflict cursed flame for example
also it could be really op if you shot a scal splitting projectile which would be quite funny
radiant meadow
@silk oriole wrong channel, ask in #help-advice-read-pins
silk oriole
Sorry
Realized that late
What’s an effective weapon against perforators deathmode
Oh my gosh
gusty geode
Iirc post-SCal weapons are perfectly legal
They just can't have Shadowspec bars in their recipes
bitter drift
are they allowed even?
bitter drift
is there a cap on ranger/ rogue firing speed?
frail mantle
they're allowed, yes
they just can't have shadowspec bars in the recipe
the lowest fire/use speed possible is 1, i.e. attacking/using an item once every single tick
bitter drift
ok is there a way to lower that (in any way even one that isn't in game yet)
if you don't understand i'll put it this way.
is there a way to code a weapon to have a lower fire rate?
frail mantle
i mean, technically you could get higher bullets per second by firing several bullets per tick, but you can't fire any faster than once every tick
i understand what you meant
bitter drift
ah so shit
i had this idea of a post SCal ring (yes like the dark sun one) that removes this cap/make a ranger/ rouge weapon fire faster
frail mantle
it wouldn't be possible because making anything fire faster than sixty times a second would make it fire faster than the game itself
bitter drift
ya that wouldn't work on it
him XD
steel elbow
@frail mantle We already bumped up world height, think we're afraid to boost tickrate? 
patent oar
pretty sure you cant boost tickrate
thats going beyond possibility
also if you upped tickrates it would affect everything
high oracle
You could potentially have an item that calculates the use time on it's own and if it's less than 1 it adds X projectiles every Y frames to fire that many shots per second
bitter drift
ok so i have a 2nd idea
light moon ring a post scal accessory
what it does: +12% defense.
+3 life regen at night.
- melee knock back.
in the day the player will have a +10% damage boost.
every range projectile that was changed by the bow/gun shall have an explosion effect when it hit an enemy(25% chance).
this explosion shall have the effect of the bullet/arrow used (for an example an Ichor bullet used by the soma prime will make an Ichor explosion that spread Ichor).
this explosion also shall pass any barriers of the debuff (if the Ichor explosion hit the moon lord the moon lord WILL be Ichored).
made by: 1 calamitos essence, 20 cosmilite bars, 10 diamonds, 10 embers, 5 ruinous souls and 50 souls of night.
why?: right now there is no post SCal accessory (maybe simple but still a reason)
what do you think?
frail mantle
ML isn't immune to ichor in the first place tho
what would happen to ammo that already has an explosion, like Hellfire Arrows? would the explosion just be bigger?
bitter drift
- ok then is DoG immune to Ichor? if yes that will not matter to this explosion
- as i said this effect weapons that change their ammo like as i said the soma prime (if you use any bullet with it the only thing that will matter with it is the damage) so hell fire arrows will simply explode like they will actually do their effect
elfin maple
I see this suggestion and all I can think of are the possible issues when it comes to programming it
There is a way to access the number of loaded projectiles, but I don't know it
Some vanilla projectiles have friendly and hostile counterparts, so the projectile could damage the player
bitter drift
that doesn't change projectile number
elfin maple
I mean like how long the list of projectile ids is
like how many
idk
Hmm
Lemme see if I can figure this out
bitter drift
honestly i'm getting pissed that most of end game range weapons are changed projectiles
elfin maple
It's probably be best if this item exclusively fired vanilla projectiles to avoid several issues
bitter drift
?
elfin maple
I don't know how to explain it, but that would solve several issues
bitter drift
you mean like it would fire an Ichor bullet instead of exploding when the normal projectile hit
elfin maple
what
i mean it randomly selects a projectile
so i'm saying it only selects one of the 713 projectiles in vanilla terraria
and just those
no modded ones to avoid issues
bitter drift
ah that is not my suggestion
elfin maple
{
Projectile projectile = Main.projectile[Projectile.NewProjectile(position.X, position.Y, speedX, speedY, Main.rand.Next(713) + 1, damage, knockBack, player.whoAmI)];
projectile.tileCollide = false;
projectile.friendly = true;
projectile.hostile = false;
projectile.penetrate += 3;
return false;
} ``` There is no way I know of to make the projectile inflict debuffsthe funny thing is that you know how to make a weapon that remove it ammo's effect but not how to bring it back
elfin maple
maybe a GlobalProjectile, where it sets a boolean whether the projectile was fired from that specific weapon
somehow
to do that you'd need a way to access the GlobalProjectile variables, there is a way but i don't know it
terse sundial
projectiles can inflict debuffs wdym
elfin maple
yeah but this is different
bitter drift
have you tried to look at any of the vanilla bullets?
Ichor cursed
elfin maple
i'm adding effects to pre-existing projectiles
this is a completely different matter
terse sundial
hmm
elfin maple
making modded projectiles inflict a debuff is laughably easy compared to this
you need literally 4 lines of code
bitter drift
why are all of the weapons post yharon range weapons have their own bullets
elfin maple
yeah
i don't like that
ranger class's gimmick is mixing and matching guns and ammo to do what you want it to do
so getting rid of that basically defeats the whole purpose
bitter drift
that doesn't matter post Yharon
elfin maple
if you do stuff where you modify the attributes of projectiles shot from the weapon, you can make some really cool stuff
bitter drift
like the ONLY post Yharon weapons to use Debuffing projectiles is the void dragon
elfin maple
i have a gun in my mod that makes all bullets fired from it pass through walls, but retain any other properties they have
that should be what more of these weapons are like imo
modifying the attributes of projectiles
bitter drift
the most funny thing about this comment of yours is that these other projectiles doesn't do anything most of the time
elfin maple
mhm
i forgot what it's called, but one of them just replaces all the bullets with high-velocity bullets
hmm
i'm going to look into this a bit more
bitter drift
soma prime? i think?
bitter drift
that brass beast from tf2 looking weapon XD
elfin maple
another good way they could work is like the vortex beater, occasionally firing out additional projectiles
that makes the gun more unique without compromising the ranger class gimmick
bitter drift
maybe instead of adding a thing to the projectile we just add another projectile
elfin maple
maybe a gun where projectiles fired from it bounce until they die, like all of them
that might cause issues with bullets that bounce by themselves though
like meteor
bitter drift
meteor is either pierce or bounce
elfin maple
yeah
one where bullets get +1 pierce would be both cool and extremely easy to program
it'd only take about 5 lines of code
bitter drift
elfin maple
{
Projectile projectile = Main.projectile[Projectile.NewProjectile(position.X, position.Y, speedX, speedY, type, damage, knockBack, player.whoAmI)];
projectile.penetrate += 1;
return false;
}``` 6 actually but stilllooks like 8 but trust me it's 6
wait
bitter drift
i think that existing weapons should have this ability
bitter drift
what?
elfin maple
projectile.penetrate += false;
bitter drift
fixed?
bitter drift
lol
elfin maple
maybe one where it fires extremely quickly and does huge damage but bullet's timeLeft is reduced to a few frames
or a sniper weapon where it's boosted to a ridiculous number so you could hit a target from the other side of the map
maybe not actually
bitter drift
or a weapon where timeleft is adding/lowering damage
elfin maple
yeah
so the longer it lives the more damage it does
giving you an advantage if you're farther from the target
or maybe a more realistic shotgun where the projectiles do more damage the closer they are to the player
bitter drift
or the opposite
elfin maple
so a shot at point-blank would deal huge damage but from farther away it would do far less
elfin maple
what if there was a gun where all bullets fired could penetrate infinite enemies
or where all bullets could not penetrate enemies
there are so many possibilities here and i feel like calamity could really use this
bitter drift
ya but instead we have this shit
elfin maple
even at the most basic level of changing projectile attributes
bitter drift
ya
elfin maple
i'm gonna make a suggestion about this after i do some more research on the topic, like how to do more advanced stuff such as adding debuffs to projectiles
bitter drift
k
elfin maple
ok
patent oar
id like to ask you guys what you think of an idea i have for a new rogue weapon before i post it, ill give you a rough outline on it so you can telll me anything that needs changing with it
bitter drift
k
patent oar
so basically its a rogue javelin that is first made with sunken sea tier stuff so pretty early game, and it can be thrown with L-Click to make a small burst of water on impact, and if you R-Click you instead kind of release a flurry of powerful, high KB stabs that you go forward with. The weapon can upgrade at aerialite tier, with a sandgun, aerialite and rain clouds, which makes it drip water (in a similar way to the underworld pot) and explode into a slightly bigger dust cloud on collision, R-Click is more powerful and you go slightly further with it. Im thinking then it upgrades at slime god and drips gel, and instead of a flurry does one electrifying dash forward with R-Click. after that im not too sure but i think it would be upgraded at mabye mechs, astral, post fishron, post ML, Post DoG and mabye post yharon/scal depending on whether it works
note that i will post it more organised
not just a clump like this
my idea was to make a rogue weapon that didnt stray off from the nature of other ones but did have some variety, in this case a second attack that invloves moving the player
i think it would be cool to make rogue more mobile through weapons to make it unique
also while im at it
bitter drift
i would say that it's better to have an abyss tier for it
patent oar
i have a lore book idea that has the ability to get expanded lores (like ones on the wiki) if you get certain items to amidias, permafrost and cirrus, which can be read if inserted into the book
bitter drift
k
bitter drift
no you can get it post skeletron to
patent oar
isnt that just looted abyss stuff
bitter drift
like i see where the aerolite come from but better abyss
patent oar
yeah im just worried about the gap size
bitter drift
also when do you get it?
patent oar
post scourge to post skele
bitter drift
ya seems good
bitter drift
naaaa
seafaom bombs
patent oar
anyway
patent oar
i gtg but if anyone has feedback ping me so that i can jump back to see it
bitter drift
ya can you explain what right click does again (don't get it good enough)
patent oar
basically
when you R-Click the spear kind of jabs a bunch in front of you
with high KB
and it boosts you forward
for the statigel tier it instead does a charge forward
bitter drift
like a normal dash+ spear
patent oar
kinda
but the flurry is slower and less distance
the statigel dash is basically a dash
well
it IS a dash
bitter drift
ya i like this idea
bitter drift
k
patent oar
and ill give weapon names, and a few more tier ideas aswell when i think of them
anyway thanks
bitter drift
well for tiers i can think of:
sunken sea -> abyss(post skeletron) -> mech boss -> abyss(post planterra) -> post fishron
civic pond
and then post polterghast i guess..?
bitter drift
i think it's good at fishron shouldn't be going all the way
civic pond
yeah
manic kraken
@fossil rivet There is a mod for the 4 pillars called improved pillars that should help with ur suggestion.
bitter drift
@ashen warren could i take your suggestion as a base for a suggestion of my own? (not completely the same but same idea mostly)
i will credit you of course
hollow shell
@elfin maple Include a summary of the suggestion in your message, if you can
hollow shell
Thank you 👍
elfin maple
Np
gusty geode
So, considering the number of emotes we can have here has at least tripled, are suggestions for new ones open?
hollow shell
They were already open, we've had empty slots
gusty geode
They're asking for one that just has the Calamity logo on it, nothing else
Idk what they have but I guess not that
civic pond
🤷
civic pond
ah fuck those are some cool mousepads
sudden quail
Providence II 
proven tide
yass
zenith hazel
golden gun is pretty viable post-ml, especially for polter and providence
proven tide
^
zenith hazel
lunic eye really isn't because most things are immune to marked post-ml iirc
warm tinsel
Provi II is gonna be starring in Dokuro's Boss themes with Resprited boss section
icy cove
I dont know how
patent oar
Its better to make the canvas pixel perfect to the thing and use a 1 pixel brush so its smaller
icy cove
I am on mobile and the app i have is pretty bad and can't do that
worthy fiber
@icy zephyr next update smh
proven tide
low effort high rart 
placid moth
yes
marsh gust
@icy zephyr rogue class is still WIP and is definitely getting expanded on, im deleting that suggestion for now
ashen warren
@cyan lagoon in response to what you said i do not consider a wooden yoyo to be a starter weappon, thus i suggested making a more viable option that's relatively easy to get. plus the rest of the sets have yoyos, in pre hardmode
warm tinsel
Your yoyo seems good tho
So, we have 4 suggested tiers of classless weapons that shoots projectiles now
ashen warren
i agree, chose a midpoint and stuck with it
warm tinsel
What do you think?
ashen warren
hmm.... idk
distant gyro
- These types of suggestions are listed as don'ts
- Throwing is getting removed in 1.3.6. anyway
zenith hazel
throwing’s getting removed
distant gyro
Also rogue is a very powerful class already why do you need even more damage boosts 
elder mist
I'll be deleting the suggestion now as it holds no ground.
civic ore
Yea, depending on when the update is even released and I think most mods will still include throwing because they build a proper class around it with weapons and armor
Throwing will probably stay in most mods while Rogue will stay unsupported unless more mods would pick up on it
distant gyro
Rogue is kinda made to be different though
Besides, it's best to play Calamity on its own for the fullest experience
civic ore
Oh I love the class, 0 doubt about that, and as I said if you only play Calamity you will really like it, but once you include other mods the rogue class is in a huge disadvantage that no other class has
young fog
Throwing is getting removed next update
distant gyro
Do other mods even link/synergize their throwing codes
Rogue weapons like seafoam bomb say otherwise, plus it's getting a big expansion soon
civic ore
@young fog and why is that a problem? Rogue class never existed in the first place, do you think every mod with throwing class items will just remove them or simply keep them?
elder mist
TLDR thrower was changed to rogue, Fabbo's not gonna change back to throwing.
civic ore
Well, if he doesnt want to change it, thats his decision then
elder mist
Also most mods are simply gonna be lazy and wait for TML to manually maintain the throwing code.
young fog
Rogue class exists bc throwing is a waste iirc
civic ore
@young fog which doesnt validate your point of throwing getting removed which literally only has consumables right now and what was it, 2-3 armor sets? I mean in the basic game. In the mods I use I have a proper throwing class equivalent to the ranged class in amounts of weapons/armors, they wont see a need to remove it
It will just be an additional class like Rogue is right now
distant gyro
well that's other mods
young fog
a) please don’t ping me and b) that’s other mods, not the base game, which have no relevance to calamity
distant gyro
I mean, might as well merge bard class with mage by that logic
civic ore
The only difference is that Rogue is literally what throwing is supposed to be, while Bard is a whole new class
frail mantle
rogue is it's entirely own class
elder mist
Actually, that's another reason rogue was created
It can actually expand beyond just throwing items
distant gyro
Well throwing is very dead
frail mantle
^
elder mist
And left it rotting in the game
pliant bone
A new reason why Throwing isnt going back is because the Vanilla devs will delete the entire class and change it to Ranged.
grizzled lintel
hm
distant gyro
Even the spaghetti codes decide beenades are ranged weapons when the tooltip says throwing iirc 
elder mist
That's already been said multiple times, yes.
frail mantle
civic ore
If you look at the description of the rogue class, it is literally what throwing type weapons are supposed to be.
I really dont get the argument of saying "Throwing will be removed", of course it will be removed from the base game, it doesnt exist there. Noone uses it. But that doesnt mean that it couldnt be kept in modded as an independent class from the main game. I love playing with Calamity and the only thing that was a thing I still dont understand is why Rogue has to exist as independent class and couldnt just be an unoffical, existing, throwing class
distant gyro
Rogue allows for mechanics like stealth and others to come soon
pliant bone
You could prob wait for the Rogue expansion update too. That works.
distant gyro
Just wait, in time rogue will expand beyond the realms of throwing
civic ore
If Rogue actually gets added to 1.3.6, then I just missed that and then I understand why it's not changed to throwing (even though I dont understand why it wasnt throwing in the first place)
distant gyro
Since rogue is a pretty vague word to describe a class anything could be added in the future 
grizzled lintel
i mean
throwing is kinda merged into ranged already
snowball cannon uwu
im dead
civic ore
In the basic game yes, but most mods add to the throwing class while Calamity made a whole new class that could also just be throwing class, that was kinda my point ^^
grizzled lintel
snowballer
theres mods that add more snowball cannons
eh
but this is calamity we talkin about
tired haven
Bard is magic class why won't thorium combine it with mage
eyes start bleeding
civic ore
Bard is a supportive class, not a mage class..
distant gyro
It can easily be played as a mage
If you view it from another pov, the inspiration system is just reworked mana, the weapons are just magey with sound added to them, and they just give buffs
civic ore
The whole Bard class has mechanics and features you have in no other class. If I saw those weapons without a class I wouldnt associate it with Mage.
But if you show me the Rogue weapons I would most of the times think of throwing weapons or at least something close to it
tired haven
Rogue has stealth mechanic
grizzled lintel
bard and healer supports
civic ore
And why couldnt you just add a stealth mechanic to throwing? I mean the overall name would probably be rather "Assassin" than Rogue
grizzled lintel
bard buffs and healer heals
i dont think stealth really fits a rogue tbh
nimble boi
also who would stand still in the middle of a boss fight
distant gyro
I mean, does stealth make sense to a class called throwing?
grizzled lintel
but other mod talk
distant gyro
Also there's penumbra potions
grizzled lintel
but other mod talk
wooden leaf
it doesnt exist boi
civic ore
Maybe because Mage is an actual proper class that was already fully developed?
grizzled lintel
frail mantle
Rogue was addded because 1) Fab hates throwing code, 2) Rogue has more potential than just a sexually confused Ranged/Mele hybrid and 3) Throwing is getting oofed in the next vanilla update
pliant bone
@grizzled lintel imagine minimod
civic ore
"I really dont get the argument of saying "Throwing will be removed", of course it will be removed from the base game, it doesnt exist there. Noone uses it. But that doesnt mean that it couldnt be kept in modded as an independent class from the main game. "
I stated that before
wooden leaf
Bc calamity is unique(and weird)
distant gyro
As I said, there's another argument which is "rogue will be expanded upon and it could be anything" which you straight up kinda ignored
civic ore
Every single mod that has throwing additions to it right now will most likely keep it because the base game losing it will literally change nothing except that you will have to make an own class out of it instead of adding it on top
tired haven
And I just counteract it, because it will be most likely removed in modded as well and staying with soon removed content will slow down development
pliant bone
wooden leaf
yes
queen sail
They made olympian’s soul/essence rogue compatible
wooden leaf
olympian work for rogue and throwing
distant gyro
They did make it compat with rogue
queen sail
If you’re willing to put in the effort, you can get a nice accessory that boosts both throwing and rogue stats
Yknow
civic ore
So people are really debating that mods will just drop throwing all together while some mods even support a class that is not even in the base game, wow
civic ore
I mean there are mods that ahve a fully developed throwing class in them, with armor sets and weapons equal to any other class
queen sail
Thorium and SoA: Just standing there
pliant bone
imagine tremor as an example
queen sail
Also throwing is staying in tmodloader terraria
wooden leaf
Qwerty bosses and items cough cough
civic ore
So the whole argument of throwing getting removed is useless?
queen sail
It’s getting removed in vanilla since not even the devs liked how underdeveloped it was
tired haven
They have had no other choice so far, since the throwing deletion was announced too late
wooden leaf
no
queen sail
Vortex javelin
elder mist
wh
queen sail
Vortex javelin
grizzled lintel
xd
wooden leaf
y say it twice
grizzled lintel
imagine they just make vortex grenades
elder mist
tired haven
Just replace daybreak damage type tbh
pliant bone
Vortex beenades
grizzled lintel
and when u throw it it acts like sandstorm in a bottle
zenith hazel
grenades that succ
grizzled lintel
oh
elder mist
This is making me have severe 
wooden leaf
i mean it succs so...y use it
bitter topaz
revert the rogue changes
smh
terse sundial
zenith hazel
as in a vortex that succs in things
wooden leaf
quick suggest that
civic ore
Well, still kinda sad that Rogue is so off chart ^^
I get the Bard argument, but then again I wouldnt play Thorium with a skill mod to improve stats since they have 2 additional classes that play on their own, while Rogue is for me a fancy word for throwing. In all fairness, Calamity has done a beautiful job implementing a proper throwing class that doesnt feel like none-existent crap, but my only point was cross-mod-playing, not if the class for playing calamity alone is bad
bitter topaz
rogue isn't a rebrand of throwing, fab can, and is planning to, do a fuckton more stuff with it than he can do with throwing
terse sundial
I understand where people come from with that, but people need to realize that rogue =/= throwing and never will
terse sundial
grizzled lintel
if vortex beenades were a thing
elder mist
o
wooden leaf
siggest that shit boi
zenith hazel
quasar plaguenades
grizzled lintel
it explodes into bees that explode
queen sail
You gotta keep in mind that they haven’t really done much for rogue yet
And there’s still the next update after this
wooden leaf
wot
patent oar
i think theres a big update planned for rogue
wooden leaf
in the far future
grizzled lintel
is anyone watching the spoilers for 1.3.6
queen sail
People seem to conveniently forget that that the rogue expansion is eventually gonna come
fleet night
Dolphins
lost agate
Isnt turn rogue to throwing in the suggestion donts?
zenith hazel
perhaps people will finally stop seeing rogue as just throwing but better in the future
queen sail
Yeah
frail mantle
yep, it is
lost agate
patent oar
same for throwing to rogue
terse sundial
kill it
queen sail
Aka proof that “Suggestion Don’ts” never get read by people making suggestions for the first time
lost agate
Imma just remove the stars
grizzled lintel
then why is everyone readint these
lost agate
Oh it died
grizzled lintel
reading
tired haven
I mean:
- Any suggestions about connecting the Rogue and Throwing classes in some way, via compatibility, replacement, etc.
Example: A config that converts all Rogue items into Throwing items.
Reason: Rogue is meant to be a class that stands as its own thing, and we’re not going to remove it nor make it compatible with throwing, even if the reason is to make it compatible with other mods. Also, Throwing will soon be removed from the vanilla game. Any suggestions about the Rogue class should be focused on making it more unique, not more similar to throwing.
autumn lion
lol @wooden leaf
frail mantle
to read the rules you have to read the pins 
distant gyro
uhh oh
terse sundial
isn't that a meme suggestion?
distant gyro
people will still brain anyway
queen sail
I mean half half
terse sundial
you can't enforce something like that really
wooden leaf
i was serious
zenith hazel
yeah but some people don’t read either way lol
terse sundial
I understand, but it's something no one will want to spend time enforcing
frail mantle
tbh the channel should be renamed #suggestions-voting_read_pins so there's at least a small chance that people will read the pins
distant gyro
People who don't read rules just don't read rules and spill things
tired haven
Well, it looks pretty... weird for a rule itself
Should be more kind of common sense
terse sundial
mhm
pliant bone
There would still be people who wont read pins but that helps I guess
wooden leaf
i didnt know about it till recently
terse sundial
I'd be cool with the read pins rename for suggestions
frail mantle
i guess i'll commit suggest
distant gyro
I mean, an example of people being people is asking whether or not calamity lore will associate with vanilla oh god there were so many people asking those even though there were like 3 pins adressing this
wooden leaf
there are?
patent oar
putting read pins would probably clear some things up like help and advice, some people probably think pins just dont exist here
queen sail
It’s probably because they see the official lore as supreme and dominant since it’s well
Official
tired haven
calamity server but every channel has read_pins in it when
terse sundial
yes
tired haven
wooden leaf
yes
distant gyro
queen sail
So they’d probably expect mods with lore to handle it in some way
wooden leaf
wooden leaf
most mods are on do not disturb
pliant bone
They just check the pins in calamity talk and see Fabsol talking how DoG is a giant dildo
patent oar
just have a channel called read_pins that has a pin saying "good job, you read the pins!"
frank stratus
just looking at the latest suggestions, was there something that happened here?
tired haven
I doubt anyone has read pins that far
frank stratus
why wouldn't you read pins smh
tired haven
Also well, "revert rogue to throwing" happened
terse sundial
If you ever have a problem, just ping a mod regardless
small talon
people are stupid, making suggestions with no reason
terse sundial
It's their job to respond
terse sundial
@ Termi get online
frank stratus
"revert rogue to throwing"
eager palm
no mods online sorry
elder mist
Also for future reference
don't be afraid to ping even if we're on DnD
9/10 times we just don't want to hear the discord sound whenever we're pinged
terse sundial
@ ein
elder mist
@terse sundial
frank stratus
yeah tahts exactly why i dont ping dnd people
terse sundial
elder mist
But that doesn't mean that we don't respond?
frank stratus
which is too slow 😔
patent oar
for some reason i dont actually hear the ping sound anymore
elder mist
wooden leaf
turn off sounds XD
frank stratus
yeah when there was a spammer in #general-talk it took over 5 minutes for a mod to come
patent oar
i kind of like the ping sound but it just poofed
frank stratus
and i pinged multiple ones too because they kept spamming
well yes
but that was (kinda) bad
patent oar
discord still flashes in the taskbar when youre pinged
frank stratus
no one likes that tho iirc but idk
young fog
i heard dnd
ashen warren
who the fuck would want rogue back to throwing
ashen warren
why would someone want that
patent oar
or at the very least becoming classless or melee
ashen warren
Throwing damage is bad
patent oar
rogue damage is good
ashen warren
Like don’t get me wrong I would understand a proposal to add a config option to convert rogue to throwing
But removing it completely
Completely stupid
hollow shell
Expanding inventory is not impossible but it will most likely be buggy as hell
Also, pretty sure a part of the lore items' balance is the space they take up
patent oar
i think an inventory expansion could potentially lead to item deletion depending on how saves work for inventory
icy cove
Yeah its just kind of annoying to have to put all your items in a chest to get all the loot from a boss
patent oar
wait so lore items balance with inventory space?
ashen warren
what about a backpack or something?
patent oar
tbf i think it would be better if you could have like so many active lores on you at once and others are inactive
frank stratus
they're balanced by their limited abilities and the fact that they use your inventory space instead of an accessory slot
hollow shell
What, like Money Trough?
ashen warren
Kinda yeah
icy cove
That would be cool
ashen warren
But storing crafting materials instead
patent oar
in bosses lores have hardly any drawbacks
hollow shell
You can put anything in a piggy bank
ashen warren
slime god
hollow shell
Playthrough I just did, I had a ton of lore items in the trough
and took em out when the situation called for it
patent oar
its just you could have all positive lores on you at once for a boss with like no need to worry about inv space
as in non debuffing
ashen warren
Honestly I’m good rn on inventory space but I really think that a backpack in which could have materials available for crafting at any time would be pretty cool
patent oar
or like stat reducing
hollow shell
Hmm
ashen warren
shit, maybe I should make an actual suggestion like that
When I get out of school probably
patent oar
did any buffs get put in place to balance out lores?
mabye if you have too many lores on you you get debuffed or the lore effects are reduced if not
frank stratus
nohitting but you have every lore in your inv
hollow shell
If you have too many lores on at once, you've already got half an inventory :P
frank stratus
patent oar
also i think there should be a way to get the expanded lores (the long ones that explain characters pasts) ingame for a lore book, by bringing certain items to amidias, permafrost and cirrus to put in the book (potentially because putting it on a tooltip would just obscure the whole screen) aswell as the regular lores, and as you unlock more lore the lore buffs on previous lores are slightly upgraded to still be viable
frank stratus
oh lore book sounds cool
patent oar
but im not too sure
hollow shell
I would like to have the full lores somewhere in-game
So it's not "all there in the manual"
patent oar
tbf i havent done much with lores yet as i only have two in my new playthrough
frank stratus
my only idea is that the lore gets spewed out in the chat when you kill the boss for the first time
patent oar
also i did suggest boss death animations here once but got mixed responses
frank stratus
the full lore i mean
dusty stirrup
hhhh No one will want to program an inventory expansion
dusty stirrup
Way too much spaghetti
patent oar
yeah but then you only see the lore once
patent oar
yeah it was either
-yeah that sounds epic or
-thats too hard to make/would take too long
frank stratus
yeah first defeat sounds good
it makes it feel like the player is actually going through a story
patent oar
and as an extra the animation plays for the final appearance only so sentinels wont do it until the last stand
and guardians do it on provi
west garden
Good idea
patent oar
it would make sense as well as i think the suggestion to remove the last stand after beating dog once was passed so it seems like you actually KILLED the sentinels
frank stratus
hm
yeah im thinking of like a first defeat having an animation, and if you kill the boss again it counts as farming
grizzled lintel
FIX EOW IN TERM
patent oar
and Yharon, Draedon, SCal, and Yharim all have really big death animations as they are quite significant
mabhye dog and prov too
patent oar
oh yeah
west garden
Imagine if there were cut scenes in terraria
frank stratus
patent oar
yep
gusty geode
I thought I saw a demo video once that managed to do it just fine
patent oar
going to put boss death animations in now
frank stratus
hm
demo video for what though
because i'm still questioning the stability of having cutscenes in a game that doesn't support it at all
it would require someone to manipulate redcode which is impossible and maybe illegal
gusty geode
A really basic cutscene
Nothing actually happened in it but it did the camera pan just fine
gusty geode
Doing it like that wouldn't account for randomly generated terrain
west garden
Not really a cut scene. But lets say for dog.Immobility debuff would be put on the player or something, and it would show an animation of like him spinning in a circle really fast and vanishing.... this sounds like a fruitless indulgence doesnt it?
ashen warren
Its an interesting idea, but that would take an immense amount of time to animate and code into the game by my guess.
patent oar
yeah thats the only issue
ashen warren
not to mention that if, in the future, any of these characters get a resprite, the death animation will go with it, making it that much harder to accomplish
patent oar
i was thinking this could be added after Yharim is doen if necessary when most bosses will probably have final or near final sprites
ah animations arent actually that hard
most of MLs death is using one sprite that just rotates
well multiple sprites but of single parts
the explosion is multiple images but thats it
most of it is done by code
frail mantle
new class suggestions are in the "don'ts" document
ashen warren
?
placid girder
read pins
ashen warren
wat pins?
arctic tapir
ashen warren
ohhhhhhhhh ok
void kelp
i love the idea of renaming the channel to #suggestions-voting_read_pins because it’s necessary
zealous ridge
The Post-Yharon Solar eclipse is fine balance-wise, I feel, but it seems to be lacking in unique enemies. Plus, the only creature you’re really looking out for during the event is Mothron, who drops the darksun fragments. Thus, I suggest a new darksun-themed enemy should be added to make this event a bit more interesting.
Corona Scarab
AI type: Alien Hornet (or something similar)
Stats: High health, immune to insta-kill from post-DoG damage accessories, High contact damage, immune to knockback.
Spawns semi-frequently, about same spawn rate as vampires
If left unattended, it will evolve into…
Corona Scarab Hatcher
AI Type: Baby Mothron (or something similar)
Stats: Very high health, immune to insta-kill from post-DoG damage accessories, High contact damage, immune to knockback, summons baby scarabs to orbit itself. These baby scarabs don’t do anything until three are spawned, at which point they will begin to fire darksun laser beams at the player.
Only evolves from Corona Scarab
Drops: Darksun fragment (1-3), Corona Septer
Corona Septer
Summon weapon that spawns a baby Corona scarab to assist you. They have a similar AI to the Retinamini and Spazmamini combined, switching between charging through enemies and standing back and firing lasers every few seconds.
This new enemy will gives players more to look out for during the Solar Eclipse, as well as grant summoners more options for Yharon’s second phase (as good as Yharon’s sons are, having more summons to play around with is always a good thing.)
ooh, its a bit long... but how does this look?
patent oar
i like it
i think thats really good
darksun is a bit lacking
mabye it also gives a magic weapon like a darksun laser staff or something
radiant meadow
Darksun has Alpha Ray and Voltaic
zealous ridge
eh, i feel like mage is already getting enough magic weapons in darksun tier, with event horizon and such, but that is still interesting.
radiant meadow
Oh and I guess the things from art, ye
radiant meadow
@regal jetty describe what it does and how to obtain it
regal jetty
it summons the travelling merchant and is a thing that you get from using some frigid bars and souls of light
bitter drift
in it
raw ferry
that seems too cheap
lost agate
@ashen warren you might wanna work more on that suggestion
bitter drift
i see that and all i think of is melee
gusty geode
Ok, Travelling Merchant summon
Y tho
regal jetty
tired of waiting to get things like the stopwatch etc
bitter drift
you can pretty much craft everything he sells
regal jetty
how to craft stopwatch?
lost agate
!wiki vanilla
red stormBOT
https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Vanilla_item_recipes
Not the correct result? Use !wiki page vanilla for a direct link or !wiki search vanilla for a list of all hits.
icy cove
He has approximately a 30% chance to sell the watch, so its not that rare. If there is a crafting recipe for the watch, people will want recipes for everything and the traveling merchant will be fairly useless.
lost agate
Yes its not that rare but the mufucka can decide to not reach your house for weeks
icy cove
True
Alchemist npc allows you to craft summon potions for him, so there is always that too
frail mantle
i mean
ashen warren
he stops by my house like every other day
frail mantle
clentaminator with gren solution
civic pond
you know the BEGONE EVIL! mod is a thing
hollow shell
@meager frigate Clentaminator?
meager frigate
@hollow shell I was thinking of something you could plop down and wait for it to do the work for you
hollow shell
Like one of those aura tower things from the Otherworld trailers?
gusty geode
The world evils are supposed to stress you out when they get close to important stuff
That's literally their entire purpose
If they aren't allowed to threaten your stuff by spreading into it, why even bother treating them any different from all the other biomes?
I get closer to a rant that would probably get me warned every time I see it
Suggestions that aim to make it so the spreading biomes don't get in their way or screw them over, but fail to realize that's the whole reason they exist to begin with
quick ice
@meager frigate if you want to stop the Evil Biomes from getting into an important area Begone Evil is obviously an option
split mesa
This is why the clentaminator exists
meager frigate
shrug
elfin maple
@bitter drift The issue with that is that it would be near impossible to code. The suggestion is interesting, but as a mod dev myself, that doesn't sound feasible at all without creating a list of which of the several hundred projectiles in vanilla and calamity alone would be a gargantuan task, creating a list that includes all the projectiles in every mod would be impossible. Creating something that would check every projectile to see if it could appear in each part of the game would also be near impossible, as you'd have to check every single Projectile.NewProjectile in every mod's code and find if whatever triggers it could happen at the part of the game.
fierce hedge
@meager frigate It doesnt really fit into Calamity. Calamity itself is just an expansion mod. Cropping biomes and such would only really fit into edit mods like HERO's Mod or Cheat Sheet
hollow shell
Eh I could see something like that working in Calamity
The mod doesn't do anything with biome spread currently but it could add like
a Purification Bomb, sold by the Steampunker or crafted with a bunch of solution
or some action block which shoots out green solution and you can wire it to protec your base
Would indeed fit more in a QoL-based mod like Gadgets Galore or maybe Luiafk
but
it wouldn't be super out of place in Calamity
gusty geode
I'd be down for that
mystic sandal
oh, i didn't know that, thanks for letting me know!
hollow shell
@mystic sandal Spoilers don't really work if you don't say what they're spoilers for 
queen delta
copper shortsword memes
gusty geode
He's not wrong tho
Nowhere near enough rare variants of vanilla weapons
dusty stirrup
Could have a more interesting weapon than copper shortsword tho
gusty geode
Plus adding one that early on would be a nice introduction to the mechanic as a whole
queen delta
Pretty sure copper shortsword was chosen for memes tho
dusty stirrup
Most likely
queen delta
I'd love to see a space gun rare variant
Or if we're looking at pre-boss, a starfury or ice blade rare variant
fervent sky
Those could definitely be interesting choices
gusty geode
Rare Aqua Scepter?
queen delta
Molten Scepter, inflicts on fire! debuff as well as dealing higher knockback and more damage
fervent sky
Ooo
queen delta
Drops from... imps?
fervent sky
Sure
sinful violet
yeah, more vanilla variants sounds good, but copper shortsword is probably a bad idea
just think of all the people trying to meme it up
gusty geode
Imo I think the more underused weapons should be given rare variants over more popular ones
So, say, rare Demon Scythe
sinful violet
no way to make it interesting without making it disappointing or a meme
and then the "but muh tin shortsword XD" people
gusty geode
You can point it in any direction
fervent sky
gusty geode
At the cost of a slightly slower base swing speed
bold spruce
The Rare Copper Shortsword suggestion already sounds like a meme to me.
ashen warren
i agree
mystic sandal
i think a rare weapon for your first rare could be an iron sword
when it's rare, it gets upgraded to fire small bits of iron ore
tropic yoke
Ayyy Wazzzup!
I'm back!
gusty geode
Rare Wand of Sparking?
gusty geode
You need 90 stars now
mystic sandal
Wand of Lightning
Shoots little lightning bolts that can pierce enemies and still has very low mana cost
gusty geode
Yeah, that sounds good
tropic yoke
Are there any suggestion trends?
fervent sky
Looks like rare vanilla items are picking up
icy cove
Rare variant item suggestions are popular
gusty geode
We may have just started one
icy cove
Yep
tropic yoke
Ahh
gusty geode
They also have different stats but yeah
fervent sky
I should just make a list for rare vanilla item variants that could work
mystic sandal
making rare accessories
tropic yoke
Oooh
Oh wait there are some of those
lmao
What about a sunken sea content buff?
There's like... 5 enemies and anywhere from not enough to not enough items in it.
mystic sandal
it gets tons more stuff in hardmode
giant clam gets more attacks
new items can be dropped
an armor set
new enemies
tropic yoke
ehh
I never got into it that much
Aww, none of my suggestions ever got in ;-;
If 166 stars can't get in, I don't know what can.
queen delta
Very few suggestions get in lol
Mine got over 200 stars and it was nothing more than giving jellybean mount no fall damage
At that point, I kinda just stop bothering with suggestions
mystic sandal
i'm pretty sure a suggestion being implemented is rarer than getting 10 rune wizard banners legitimately
queen delta
It's more rarer than yharim's crystal drop chances before it became exclusive to yharon
sleek wadi
Frozen Stone is a straight upgrade to Magma Stone
Frostburn deals 8 DPS while On Fire! deals 4
dusty stirrup
So shoelace turns terraria into Smash Brawl?
raw ferry
^
bold spruce
BAHAHAHAHAHAHA
queen delta
how about a new suggestion: change #suggestions-voting to #suggestions-voting_read_pins
hollow shell
queen delta
bold spruce
queen delta
i guess it wouldnt make much difference cuz the people who make these suggestions wouldnt read pins even if the name tells em to
prisma jewel
we should have a memes channel xd
gaunt gazelle
why not lmao
gaunt gazelle
then dont moderate it kappa
ashen warren
Bruh moment
radiant meadow
if it doesn't get moderated, then like it'll basically be no rules
and at that point, you should go to another server
ashen warren
The best hell
gloomy hazel
Reminds me I've been taunted and insulted multiple times in a meme channel from another Discord, just because I told someone to stop swearing. So no, a meme channel is NOT going to happen here, seriously!
Never, have I liked jokers from the internet. Never have I liked those who taunt without questioning themselves how far things can go wrong.
I've met several of those people who don't have limits, who'd dare to ruin someone's mood. So no, no, no, no, no and no, there won't be any meme channel here!
raw ferry
bruh
gloomy hazel
What BRUH!?
raw ferry
ok damn chill
formal prism
memes are like alcohol: alcohol is great if the people using it are responsible, now how many random people would you describe as responsible?
raw ferry
lmao
devout seal
There will be no more meme/offtopic channels.
gusty geode
Still, calm tf down
raw ferry
if you go on the internet you're gonna find people who insult you lol
gloomy hazel
No shit, I've been on the internet for too long
raw ferry
then why are you so angry about it lmao
gusty geode
Yeah, getting attacked one way or another is kinda part of the deal
I have this name for a reason, I'd know
raw ferry
shouldn't you have been expecting it?
gloomy hazel
whatever you comment on something that is against others' opinion, you can be sure to get roasted if you're in the wrong website
even on Steam, there are a lot of douchebags I have met, even one who was a neo-nazi, racist, homophobic who said that my elder grandmother deserves to burn in hell. Seriously, I'm not joking. People are free to do whatever they want when they're in front of a screen.
little raptor
memes channel
gloomy hazel
NO!
formal prism
that's the problem, Steam's community is a cesspool. 4chan is more refined.
raw ferry
basically no matter what, anywhere you are online, you'll get offended by something, so why let yourself get angry over it
literally no reason
formal prism
PSA, a Meme channel is forbidden on Calamity's Discord, it's even in their list of ignored suggestions on the pinned google.doc
gloomy hazel
So like Cannon said, it's forbidden
west prairie
@icy cove did someone say eclipse summon staff
raw ferry
oh shit that looks cool
elfin maple
noice
proven tide
did you just
gloomy hazel
okay, I really like the look of the staff paired with its theme
hollow shell
Zerg potion?
raw ferry
yeah, at the point where you're farming levi zerg in the ocean isn't dangerous at all
proven tide
eventually you'll hear the music
formal prism
it would fit the theme for a Darksun tier summon weapon
and yeah, zerg/battle potions help with Levi
proven tide
¯_(ツ)_/¯
radiant meadow
@inner geyser you have to wait a week before resuggesting
proven tide
ono
icy cove
@west prairie yoo that looks sick
Is that 48x48? That must have taken a while. If you want to, you can ask a mod to repost my suggestion with that sprite, cuz that looks way more 👌
bitter drift
did someone call me?
still cliff
zenith hazel
ok but what if you have many summoner weapons in your inventory?
tired haven
Probably would work only for the staff you hold
If going for mix, you'd have to remember numbers anyway
bitter drift
is there any criticism? i need it to know if this suggestion is good
sinful steeple
Does anyone else think that the Guide or Amidias should say something about most lore items giving bonuses? I trashed all of them until Queen Bee when I realised they buffed me. Getting more was pain
bitter drift
do they buff
wooden leaf
wiki
sinful steeple
I don't wiki everything for no reason
wooden leaf
well i guess no one is like me....
sinful steeple
I only use the wiki if there's a reason to, and there was no reason to
wooden leaf
i think next update it will be in tooltip
sinful steeple
It is in the tooltip
It's just not very noticeable
Like everyone just trashes it when they see it
sudden quail
I would retype the "unholdable" line
You can just type it to something like "It doesn't have autofire"
bitter drift
k
placid moth
First, it's rich mahogany wood.
Second, AlchNPC allows you to buy dryad's blessing potions.
Third, passing 150 DPS and giving a buff is ridiculous. I am not sure how hard it is to code though.
sudden quail
What about those who don't have AlchemistNPC?
placid moth
No buffs, I guess.
vocal fulcrum
Not using alchnpc is the way to show superior ranking 
elfin swan
placid moth
Guess I am inferior then
elfin swan
guess i'm superior then
fickle spruce
wtf who trashes items without even reading their description
fierce hedge
^
radiant pawn
Imagine a flamethrower made of wood
fierce hedge
Flamegeller
bitter drift
np new suggestion
i want to suggest 2 more flamethrowers
bitter drift
also the PHM flamethrowers aren't pre boss like this one
radiant pawn
hmm
Considering the difficulty of Hive Mind
you can get shadethrower even at the start of a new character/new world
bitter drift
but what if you are not on corruption
radiant pawn
git fuck
distant gyro
beat hive mind on a corruption island
radiant pawn
^
distant gyro
anyway a pre-boss flamethrower is cool though
bitter drift
i will have to use 10 grav pots
radiant pawn
my point stands again
jokes aside its a cool idea ngl
another shiny gun to get apart from pump, minishark, and bow
bitter drift
i have 2 more
one if the crimson version of the shadethrower
and the other is a hard mode version combing both flamethrowers
radiant pawn
flameable core
hollow shell
oh btw
Mahogany*
not Mongoly
bitter drift
idk how to type it never saw this word more then once 
hollow shell
lol
bitter drift
ya
bitter drift
never really looked at the name but also true
bitter drift
honestly who use wood that isn't normal wood
radiant pawn
1st being boreal
bitter drift
WHAT you are drunk
radiant pawn
lets shift this talk into #calamity-mod-talk shall we?
bitter drift
or talk about something ales
bitter drift
so as i said i have 2 more flame thrower ideas
the first one is the crimson version of the shadethrower
the 2nd one is a hard mode version combining both
what do you think about the 2nd flamethrower
distant gyro
both what though? so you're suggesting a crimson variant of the flamethrower and suggesting one from combining the two versions?
bitter drift
yes altix
distant gyro
then crimson has the edge because crimson would have one extra wepaon iirc
frail mantle
Having to grind from both Crimson and Corruption sounds pretty ech tbh
distant gyro
if crimson's shadethrower is added then the sniper gun from the perfs is crimson-exclusive
bitter drift
then how about we add a new corruption weapon that will cover that
distant gyro
hollow shell
Oh, yeah
Kinda defeats the point of having Crimson flamethrower accessibility if youre gonna combine them both later anyway
bitter drift
???
hollow shell
Like, the Crimson flamethrower is so you can get one in a Crimson world, so you dont need to fight Hive Mind on the Corruption island
bitter drift
yes
hollow shell
Having an item that combines them means that you still need to fight Hive Mind or Perfs on the island
radiant pawn
^
bitter drift
when you are strong enough hand have the patinas(still suck at English) to find this island yes
hollow shell
Hm.
radiant pawn
at that point where you are strong enough you probably have lunarian bow
and slime god weapons
bitter drift
ya but do you want to drink 111 grav pots to find the island
radiant pawn
You only need Shield of Cthulhu and 2 potions
you're welcome
but still
That means you have to waste 111 grav potions to get a Crimson/Corruption flamethrower to then combine them
bitter drift
also for the extra hivemind weapons we will have a yo-yo
distant gyro
🤔
queen delta
Let’s just make another suggestion that’s just copying off rhe one above you, but with a new weapon
distant gyro
2 pre-boss flamethrower suggestions bruh momentum
radiant pawn
crimson variant for shadethrower is the sniper you get from Perf
distant gyro
^
radiant pawn
so it would be useless after putting a Crimson shadethrower variant
bitter drift
but you have the mini shark the pumpler and other good guns for that part
radiant pawn
sniper shot the WoF with meteorite bullets it's epic
distant gyro
shadethrower is not the most viable of weapons though, similar to eviscerator
radiant pawn
^
bitter drift
wait NO what do you think?
crimson flamethrower ISN'T a crimson sniper
bitter drift
from you
radiant pawn
i said the crimson variant for shadethrower as of now is the sniper
Shadethrower is also weak
"because you will hsve minishark/pumpler, and other good guns"
distant gyro
might as well add a corruption sniper then if you wanna do that 🤔
also I think a bit of variation is good, keeps the players to want to play both world evils (or find an evil island)
radiant pawn
^^^^^
bitter drift
at least you have a good post perf guns
you don't have a good post perf flamethrower
distant gyro
shadethrower is a post-perf flamethrower though technically
bitter drift
when it's so hard to get it at crimson
radiant pawn
what thing is hard getting in crimson
hollow shell
I see what theyre sayin a bit
Ranged weapon type doesn't really matter until you get Shroomite or the Hardmode accessories like Magic Quiver
bitter drift
but you know what sure let's add a hivemind sniper with this perf flamethrower
radiant pawn
adir do you like variety?
bitter drift
yes
radiant pawn
then the corruption sniper is a bad idea
hollow shell
More variety versus more options
radiant pawn
corruption and crimson in vanilla are totally different from each other
being weapons and armors
bitter drift
then how about i'll just think of a corruption gun for hivemind
radiant pawn
i give up
bitter drift
eeemmmm
Markie
you have the post slime god slime flamethrowers
radiant pawn
Isnt that what we were trying to say
bitter drift
no i say that because what i put is at least have some originality
bitter drift
she just latterly
combined the slime god flamethrower and a normal flamethrower and putting it at pre boss
zenith hazel
if a hive mind weapon's gonna be added then a perforators weapon also has to be added to balance them out
wait nvm, perforators have 8 drops whereas hive mind has 7
a hive mind yoyo works
bitter drift
does the perf drop 8 weapons
zenith hazel
yeah
bitter drift
wow they really do
i guess i have to suggest one of my own as well to balance my suggestion
Bravioli what do you think of this suggestion?
ebon pike (melee spear)(post hivemind)
medium speed, high damage, fast melee speed, can make enemies it hit cry and may brake you enemy's armor
made by 50 ebon wood, 5 demonite bar, 6 true shadow scales at a demon alter
or get it as a drop from the hive mind
looks like an ebon wood stump with an demonite bar spike and with true shadow scales for handles
zenith hazel
ok but why a spear of all things when you can hardly get close to skeletron?
bitter drift
becuz there is a crimson spear but not a corruption one but you do have a point
bitter drift
any other criticisms
frail mantle
tbh it'd be better if it wasn't just a Corruption sausage maker
like, if it was a bit more unique and special
bitter drift
k i'll think of something better
sudden quail
Do the Corruption & Crimson need identical weapon counterparts?
terse sundial
They really don't. Take Aorta for example, it's a Crimson yoyo with no Corruption variants
sullen sedge
zenith hazel
not the right channel to ask, go to #help-advice-read-pins
bitter drift
I'M DONE is this original enough