suggestions-discussion

[distant gyro]

idk lul

[last star]

oki

[hollow shell]

Aren't the shrines already guaranteed?

[terse sundial]

they should be

worldgen will keep on searching for a place to put shrines until it finds a good location

[vale scaffold]

woah the abyssal underworld is approved

[ashen warren]

not yet

[vale scaffold]

hope it reaches 90

I mean, it lost the ❕ MurkySeed, so it's mod approved at least

[ashen warren]

I mean they only have a 1% chance of getting in

[vale scaffold]

it's fine

at least it's considered, even if it's shelved or shot down

[ashen warren]

Also i somewhat disagree on that recent suggestion

you can spawn in AS

[gloomy barn]

Sorry for not answering sooner, upgrades on the tone of the exo-weapons, to give "representation" to shortswords and lances on crafted end game weapons. It always bothered me that those 2 weapon's crafting tree ended there while almost all the other elemental weapons got upgraded to exo tier. @last star

[azure flower]

i know, but i'm fishing while waiting

[ashen warren]

i guess still you dont need to much from fishing there

[last star]

@terse sundial shrines arent guaranteed according to wiki which states that only abyss and the underworld shrine are guaranteed the rest is just chance based

[hollow shell]

Lemme double check on that

[terse sundial]

mhm

[ashen warren]

where is the hell shrine

i can never seem to find it

[terse sundial]

bottom right of the underworld

[ashen warren]

bottom right?

ive looked in the center and left but i guess never that corner

[vale scaffold]

if you take the initials of abyssal underworld you get AU

maybe we should also add kangaroos

flipped upside down

as a giant australian joke

[ashen warren]

aquatic roo

mfw the abyss is austraila

[vale scaffold]

it's full of terrifying creatures it might as well be australia

[last star]

^

Should totally add in a abyss lore item with a vague hint towards australia @vale scaffold

[ashen warren]

Please dont ruin a good suggestion

[terse sundial]

Shrines should already have a guaranteed spawn @last star

the note has been removed from the wiki

[last star]

okey great thanks for clarifying

[gloomy hazel]

Draedon's Remote should have a better use, right?

Than just spawn all three mechanical bosses and yeld no unique reward.

You just fight the three bosses, only to get an achievement. But what's the point of using the remote if you already have the achievement?

[cyan lagoon]

Who knows? Maybe it might have a tie-in with something else in the future...

...but that's not for certain though

[gloomy hazel]

Except that CURRENTLY it is obsolete to me and most probably a lot of players

[hollow shell]

@carmine stream Why not change Voidstone's mining req to 180?

[carmine stream]

That would also work

Thanks

[hollow shell]

It's the one Calamity has the most control over

[carmine stream]

True

[hollow shell]

(you didn't wanna edit your existing message?)

[gloomy hazel]

^

[carmine stream]

I’m on mobile, and I don’t know how to edit the message on mobile

[vale scaffold]

tap and hold message to open context menu?

[hollow shell]

You just tap and hold on the message, iirc

yeah

[carmine stream]

Oh

[distant gyro]

Is this a magnetic meltdown alternative? That recipe looks very familiar. 🤔

[final basalt]

maybe

[hollow shell]

wdym "up to 300 per stack" if it can only bounce 10 times?

Is 300 supposed to refer to damage or the % of HP?

Either way, that sounds crazily overpowered
The only weapons with deal a % of maxHP as damage are Coldheart Icicle (which has an incredibly small range) and the RE weapons (which have very limited ammo and usage per battle)

[final basalt]

each time it bounces off of an enemy it gets stronger by 1% of that enemy's max health, but not by more than 300 damage

[hollow shell]

Alright
That could be clearer

[final basalt]

i'm not good at balancing things that don't exist

[hollow shell]

This is why it's discouraged from using exact stats and numbers in suggestions
because then balancing becomes a concern, rather than judging on the concept itself

[worn salmon]

is my suggestion good or bad

not sure on it

[bitter topaz]

smh
boss suggestions aren't allowed

[vale scaffold]

specific boss suggestion is not allowed so I think that's the best as you can get

[lost agate]

But minibosses are another deal i think

[vale scaffold]

oh even just Wulfrum Themed Boss is not allowed?

I thought it referred specific as its form, moveset, stats, etc.

[bitter topaz]

mhm
every boss is already planned, and fab isn't going to be adding extras

[vale scaffold]

ahhh I see

[worn salmon]

@bitter topaz am i allowed to suggest minibosses?

[brazen bramble]

hey, my suggestion passed 90 stars, did it get sent? i don't see a green checkmark

[frail mantle]

it'll get sent Eventually™

[bitter topaz]

minibosses are allowed, yea

[lost agate]

Geez no need to rush suggestion delivery

[brazen bramble]

sorry XD i thought maybe it's automatic

[lost agate]

Its not

[brazen bramble]

good to know then

[vale scaffold]

Wulfrum-themed miniboss

[hollow shell]

(it'll be automatic soon™ )

[frail mantle]

wait, how would that work? would the bot just copy the text in the suggestion once it reaches 90 stars and then paste it in the dev server?

[queen delta]

I wonder if the devs are gonna waste time doing this lol

[worn salmon]

damn i keep forgeting to read pins

i wonder how my pet suggestion is doing, had 108~ stars

[queen delta]

Add a reason to the suggestion

[worn salmon]

which one

[queen delta]

oh nvm you did

[worn salmon]

xd

how do i know if my suggestion is rejected

i had one go thru once

[smoky wagon]

@queen delta i feel like astrum deus and storm weaver should do the same as well

if it were to be implemented

[queen delta]

Hmm deus definitely fits the bill but idk much about storm weaver lore

Oh well ill include both

[worn salmon]

storm weaver is a baby DoG i think

off to devour minibosses

[civic pond]

also when the devourer despawns into the ground and my npc's just so happen to be there

[smoky wagon]

storm weaver lives in the space layer

[queen sail]

Imagine not installing Friendly NPCs Don’t Die

[civic pond]

[patent oar]

killing ceaseless void should create a black hole that destroys your world as iirc his armor is made to stop the black hole spreading from inside him (yes this is a bit of a joke and i wont actually suggest it)

[frail mantle]

eggs dee

[civic pond]

it might as well

[patent oar]

mabye all the sentinels have a proper death in the last stand so like ceaseless void shatters open and the black hole explodes, storm weaver fragments away, and signus roars and then erupts into black smoke as his cloak falls

by last stand i mean dog fight

and it would fit with the suggestion of it only happening once

like they are killed once and for all

[civic pond]

ceaseless void would fucking destroy everything

[patent oar]

also mabye the last stand is "timed" and after so many seconds if one sentinel isnt dead another one joins the fight so you arent overloaded but the last stand isnt just a waste of time

or dog could spawn sentinels at certain points of his final form (although tbh it would be very controversial and could probably make the fight more difficult than it needs to be)

[frail mantle]

yea probably

afaik having all three sentinels spawn at once between phase one and two was tested, but was ultimately deemed too chaotic

[patent oar]

also at some point i would love if all post ML bosses recieved a death animation, especially the really challenging fights like SCal and Yharon would be nice to emphasise their defeat, as just becoming rolling pieces of gore that fade isnt really much of an effect

also it helps with the tint transition so that it doesnt immediately change

[frail mantle]

iirc neither Yharon nor SCal have gores

[patent oar]

oh

huh

well

[frail mantle]

not sure tho

[patent oar]

even more reason to add animations

[ashen warren]

That would be sick, always love the moonlord death

a fight with the three sentinels would be chaotic awesome

Deathmode fight

in DoG fight in Deathmode

[patent oar]

even the wall of flesh could do with a death animation, where you see all the hardmode things burst out of him before he explodes into the ancient spirits of light and dark

[ashen warren]

between 1st and 2nd phase

[graceful timber]

^^

[queen sail]

You know that death anims are gonna take a while, right

[patent oar]

anyway what would people actually think of death animations, mainly for post ML bosses

well yeah

[queen sail]

And even then it may not be a priority

[patent oar]

well its a nice thing to have, and i understand tht

that*

but death anims do actually make killing a boss feel that little bit more special

[void kelp]

Oh god I would hate for there to be animations when they die

It’s already a pain when ML dies and he has a 20 second or whatever death animation before you get his loot

[patent oar]

mabye it only happens on the first kill for effect?

so farming isnt a pain

and also im not talking long, mabye like 5-10 seconds at the most

mabye for bosses like Yharim that are truly final battles they drag out

also im thinking of suggesting some rogue weapons that invlove movement like a spear that you throw and lunge with but im not too sure on the idea

[frail mantle]

maybe try posting a draft of the idea here and we can discuss it

[patent oar]

i may have to do it tommorow

its pretty late now

but ill think on the idea and put a draft here when i can

[ashen warren]

Looking forward to it, always love the ideas people have

[civic pond]

the only reason moonlord took 20 seconds for it to die was it was meant for it to be the final boss

.

[worn salmon]

god no

it would be a pain to make

and it would take too long

might bring up problems where you die during the animation and dont get the loot

[ashen warren]

Astral Mimic?

[worn salmon]

would be cool

but it gotta be a shit ton of them at once, with homing projectiles fucking everywhere, to fit the theme of astral boss-like enemies

[gloomy hazel]

Again, I keep repeating it, but there aren't enough mounts!

And even less combat mounts, and even less non-organic mounts!

I would never say no to a new mechanical mount, whatever how it works or how good/bad it is.

[civic pond]

mounts get kinda useless later game

[queen delta]

^

[gloomy hazel]

Oh come on!

[civic pond]

i mean its true

you sacrifice flight speed for infinite flight

nuh uh

now a mount with benefits might be different

[gloomy hazel]

I hear people saying they use the Slime mount in Death Mode

[queen delta]

fabsol mount got nerfed too so even less reason to use mounts

[civic pond]

slime mount is actually useful

[queen delta]

slime mount is useful for yharon ye

[civic pond]

the only mount i use other than slime is cute fishron tbh

[gloomy hazel]

it's useful because of its falling speed, I get it. But you still can die from fall damage with it

[ashen warren]

slime mount is like the only good mount, and thats only prehm

[civic pond]

its useful because you can bonk bosses

[ashen warren]

no, you b o u n c e

[queen delta]

Just unmount it before you touch ground

[civic pond]

its like shield of cthulu but for your feet

[queen delta]

If you're too low IQ for slime mount, then it sucks

[civic pond]

😔

[gloomy hazel]

Well, there are still mounts that are very useful in other situations outside of combat like the Drill Containment Unit with its mining capacities, or any mount with infinite flight

[civic pond]

like i said before

[gloomy hazel]

But combat mounts are...very lacking IMO

[civic pond]

mounts with benefits are epic

i suggested a drakomire mount once.

didn't work out so well

[gloomy hazel]

Okay, what if I add 5% DR to my mech suggestion? Would it make it more interesting?

[civic pond]

i mean its a helicopter

i suppose

[gloomy hazel]

mech, the helicopter was before

[civic pond]

oh

[gloomy hazel]

This time, it's the ADVanced HR Stryder Mech

It's a mix of the Slime mount and the Basilisk, except you get it from fighting all three mechanical bosses from Draedon's Remote

[graceful timber]

HEY

WRONG CHAT

[civic pond]

then again

that would give incentive to use draedons remote

[gloomy hazel]

incentive?

let me google translate that real quick

Ah yes, it would motivate, of course

[hollow shell]

@graceful timber What is Signus EX?

[dusty stirrup]

@graceful timber I told you not to, warned

It's basically a meme boss suggestion that was made in #calamity-mod-talk

[hollow shell]

Oh

[graceful timber]

good boss idea

[delicate raft]

th

[terse sundial]

[proven tide]

Lmao what

[graceful timber]

whats warned mean LOL

[hollow shell]

You didn't specify how it would be spawned or anything like that

Or what it even is

[graceful timber]

signus ex

[hollow shell]

Are you suggesting changes for Signus?

[civic pond]

...

[graceful timber]

final boss

[delicate raft]

what the actual 🅱

[civic pond]

it was a meme

[hollow shell]

Uh oh

[graceful timber]

new and improved

[civic pond]

for fucks sake

come on man

[gloomy hazel]

being warned means you're on the list of people being watched by the mods

[graceful timber]

PFF

[terse sundial]

Rover run while you can escape

[graceful timber]

good

[proven tide]

I tab across to check out "" Signus EX"" and instead it vanishes and this happens

[small talon]

in the pins, it clearly says, whole boss suggestion will NEVER be added

[proven tide]

I woke up ten minutes ago

[hollow shell]

Yeah that's why I was confused

[graceful timber]

its GONE

i deleted it

[hollow shell]

I wasn't even sure if that counted

[graceful timber]

dam

[hollow shell]

(also @dusty stirrup are you actually gonna warn him or just verbally?)

Oh there we go

[ancient widget]

Full warn

He deserves it

[dusty stirrup]

I can't give roles for some reason rn

A full warn yes

[proven tide]

Oh oh oh tip

[dusty stirrup]

Thanks

[proven tide]

I've noticed that so here's how I got around it

Go to server settings -> member list > add roles from there

[dusty stirrup]

I tried doing that too lol

[proven tide]

Works from there but not open chat for some reason

[dusty stirrup]

didn't work

[graceful timber]

wait LOL

[proven tide]

Takes a few tries

[dusty stirrup]

I did take a few tries

[ancient widget]

Discord has a latency problem that's been occurring for months

[dusty stirrup]

I think my discord is just borked

[graceful timber]

so whats going on here then

[proven tide]

If that broke overnight we're all doomed

[gloomy hazel]

Oh come on, let's get back on topic guys!

[proven tide]

Nah that happened to everyone I kn-

[graceful timber]

what am i in for

[proven tide]

ahem

[graceful timber]

should i just leave the sever or what

[ancient widget]

How old are you?

[proven tide]

meme suggestion + full boss suggestion

[graceful timber]

i dont know if that matters

[ancient widget]

It does

[graceful timber]

why

[ancient widget]

Underage people are auto-banned from discord

[hollow shell]

Discord's got an age limit that it asks its servers to abide by

[frail mantle]

if you're under thirteen we have to ban you

[graceful timber]

im not under 13

[hollow shell]

Damn it why did you gotta say the actual age

[queen delta]

I'm pretty sure he was gonna say a number over 18 anyways

[frail mantle]

yea that was a brain moment from my part

[graceful timber]

you actually think im like 12 years old huh

[ancient widget]

More like 10

But close enough

[graceful timber]

wow that hurt

i guess im just hated then huh

[gloomy hazel]

Uuuuhg jeez, how long is this going to take? This is a thread for suggestion discussions!

[graceful timber]

^^

[small talon]

the point its please follow the rules and well think out your suggestions

[proven tide]

And also don't freak when punished for not doing so

[dusty stirrup]

Dovah, you should let moderators do their job instead of saying that

[gloomy hazel]

Mmh...

[graceful timber]

i dont understand the big deal but aight put me on the big ol warning list

[proven tide]

also that

[hollow shell]

(I agree with him though)

[dusty stirrup]

Anyway, this is over, go back to suggestion discussion

I didn't say I disagreed with him

[ancient widget]

Don't tell me to change subjects, it's not ever going to go in your favor, Dovah.

[graceful timber]

hes only trying to be positive

[hollow shell]

[gloomy hazel]

I get it, but would it be better if it was discussed in another thread?

[ancient widget]

This also counts for anybody else that tries it, it's minimodding and it's stupid.

@graceful timber Look, just go talk in some other channel.

[gloomy hazel]

sigh okay...

[proven tide]

Oh oh question

Regarding mini modding and suggestions

[ancient widget]

why I don't talk in here much, I wonder why

[queen delta]

[proven tide]

it's a cesspit and nobody blames you

[ashen warren]

Because everybody would bombard you with questions

[proven tide]

So

[gloomy hazel]

ANYWAY!
About Draedon's Remote

[dusty stirrup]

Alright, I saw your deleted messages, muted

[frail mantle]

i do like the idea of giving Draedon's Remote more of a purpose

[dusty stirrup]

What was your idea on draedon's remote

[ancient widget]

Wow, what a way to whore attention.

[gloomy hazel]

Yes, Draedon's Remote is obsolete to my opinion

[proven tide]

well, it's good for that one achievement

if you don't already have it by the time you start calamity

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[gloomy hazel]

But after you get that achievement, what else is there to get with the Remote?

nothing

[ancient widget]

Your point?

[spiral olive]

money farming

[queen delta]

I'm pretty sure draedon's remote was just something to do for fun

[proven tide]

^

[dusty stirrup]

^

[ancient widget]

The only reason it exists is to further the notion that Draedon created them, and it's just for fun.

[terse sundial]

it's a fun way to do a challenge

[gloomy hazel]

I was thinking of a unique item you can get from beating all three mech bosses with Draedon's Remote

[queen delta]

But it having a reward wouldn't do harm

[terse sundial]

All three mech bosses buffed with the player also stronger then before

[proven tide]

an angry letter from draedon

meany broke my toys >:c

[ashen warren]

Btw why are there actually two places to get the terminus, shouldnt there only be one, since you can reuse it?

[radiant meadow]

in case the abyss shrine fails to generate properly

[spiral olive]

just in case

[radiant meadow]

yharon is like a backup

[ashen warren]

Ah i see

[gloomy hazel]

Ah, not such a bad idea after all

Anyway, to make Draedon's Remote more interesting, I was thinking of adding a combat mount that deals melee damage (and not summon damage) and that was a mix of both the Slime mount and the Basilisk mount as a reward

and that is also themed around mechanical stuff

a mech

[ancient widget]

the amount of times you say "anyway" to redirect the conversation makes me not want to dignify this with a response

[proven tide]

g i a n t p o g o s t i c k

[ancient widget]

so I won't

[gloomy hazel]

You won't give interest, is that what you mean?

[proven tide]

I think he meant not continue the conversation

[gloomy hazel]

Mh...fine.

[proven tide]

Burning question tangent thing please don't kill me: There've been more than a couple of times where I address someone who's broken a rule in their suggestion or made a standard suggestion slip-up and said "hey, here's an area where you can improve"/"might like to get rid of that entirely before you get warned, let's work on it in here first" only to myself get scolded for minimodding. Does trying to guide people around the suggestions chats and their protocols still count as minimodding or has there just been some miscommunication?

[ashen warren]

Youre not a mod, so dont mod, kinda bs but thats how it is i guess

[ancient widget]

dude, that's how it goes in every server

and every twitch chat

get used to it

[proven tide]

I mean like

[gloomy hazel]

I've got to be honest, I wasn't aware of what was minimoding. I would have thought it was linked with being a modder, not feeling like a moderator

[ashen warren]

why are people arguing with the actual person working on the mod

[proven tide]

Addressing things that aren't the rules, just kinda the suggestion standards

[ashen warren]

Im used to it.

[proven tide]

Should I also just stay away from all of that too?

[ashen warren]

Judging what he said, yes

[ancient widget]

"I'm used to it." M'kay, so what you're saying is you like tip-toeing a very fine line between being punished and not?

[ashen warren]

I don’t mean to sound rude, but non of you have actually put the time and effort into the mod that Fab has. It’s ridiculous to argue with the actual person who has delivered us such a well made thing.

[frail mantle]

in my opinion, unless you say something like "you dumbass it says in the suggestion rules that you can't suggest that lmao" and you're polite about pointing it out, it's not that bad when you point out things in other suggestions that aren't allowed

[ashen warren]

Ill just stop saying anything, seems like i cant be honest

[ancient widget]

Victim card

[ashen warren]

Jesus now you’re victimizing yourself

[ancient widget]

If that's the case, yes, stay silent

[ashen warren]

just shut up

No lol

[gloomy hazel]

that's kind of rude to say it that way, Plaster

[vale scaffold]

[ashen warren]

Well, it’s kind of the truth

[gloomy hazel]

I know, but still

[hearty spade]

@ashen warren Fabsol is clearly right, you don't need to side with him and it has nothing to do with the well made mod

[proven tide]

I'm leaving this conversation for the next twenty minutes; ping me if I'm needed

[hearty spade]

Y'all just need to chill tbh

[ashen warren]

^

I’m voicing my own thoughts on this to be honest

[radiant meadow]

@sterile moon pretty sure there were some that were planned, but were removed due to the pain of coding summons

[sterile moon]

still

[ashen warren]

I’m just going to leave

This is a mess

[ancient widget]

Not really a mess, just a conversation

[civic pond]

oh no.

[queen delta]

If only current summoner weapons were buffed instead of adding new ones

[gloomy hazel]

I'd say it's a pretty tense conversation instead

[civic pond]

^

[queen delta]

Would probably be much easier and make summoners usable again

[frail mantle]

maybe instead of saying "add something among the lines of this vague concept" say "add this thing that does this because of this reason"

i wonder how many times i've said that in this channel tbh

[sterile moon]

im keeping it open

[gloomy hazel]

Maybe you could replace it with "check the pings"?

[hearty spade]

The conversation really has nowhere to go since the owner is here, there is no need to get mad.

[ashen warren]

We’re kinda going in circles here, losing the point of why this started. There are rules, and people need to listen to moderators, and unless they are clearly abusing their powers, their choices should be respected.

[vale scaffold]

I'd argue that suggestions don't have to be defined to the finest details

the lack of summoner rare weapon variant is a valid suggestion; you don't need to spec out a rare weapon variant to post it as a suggestion

[gloomy hazel]

Maybe, but the minimum would be to say what would the suggestion do/add and a reason why.

[hearty spade]

The "reason why" is there tho

[vale scaffold]

how is the lack of summoner rare weapon variant not enough of a reason in itself

[ashen warren]

The specs of a weapon get decided by fabsol anyway, so that is true

[hearty spade]

It's just vague

[gloomy hazel]

@hearty spade I know, but I mean in general

[teal ibex]

mechworm rare variant 👀

[ancient widget]

I was just here to point out things I dislike/feel are wrong. And yeah, arguing with the moderators/tip toeing the lines is always a good way to get banned, this applies to every well-moderated server and chat.

And my say isn't always the be-all-end-all, but it's nice when people show me respect instead of trying to basically manipulate me.

Also, the stats of weapons and items in general are usually decided by the testers really.

[ashen warren]

Im sorry, i will not argue/tip toe again, i got into it a bit too much.

[gloomy hazel]

Interesting, so there are testers after all

[vale scaffold]

is this how the fabled turtle shell got 92 def?

[gloomy hazel]

Jeez, 92 defense?

[proven tide]

@gloomy hazel

[ancient widget]

Summoner weapons are just awful to program, it's like taking an enemy AI and applying it to a projectile but also allowing it to fight other enemies.

[teal ibex]

testers 👀

[proven tide]

There are people on the server noted as testers so if you've got questions about upcoming updates you could probably also prod them

[dusty stirrup]

It having 92 defense was an oversight

[proven tide]

not sure why you would

[ancient widget]

"There are testers after all"

Uh, yeah

We have like 30

Some don't have the role, some do, some don't test very often. The ones that test often enough have the role.

[gloomy hazel]

Wait, I thought being a Beta Tester meant being someone who played the mod in its early public release

[ancient widget]

lol no

[teal ibex]

no, it's in private releases

[dusty stirrup]

This mod is technically still in beta

[teal ibex]

there's no point being a beta tester if the release is public anyway

the public would test at that point

[ancient widget]

That sounds like an absolutely terrible way to run video game testing

[ashen warren]

If you watch leviathan, he plays the test version alot

[dusty stirrup]

So are the unreleased versions

[queen sail]

Because

Levi is a tester

[gloomy hazel]

Oh, I see. So Beta testers are the only people who are able to play the content in development before being public

[queen sail]

Furyforged is a tester for soa and showcased the decree months before 1.1 came out

[ashen warren]

Yes, they test it

[frail mantle]

afaik beta testers are people that test out whether things work, whether they're too strong or too weak etc.

[teal ibex]

i didn't know being a beta tester was a complicated idea

the mod is in progress > we test stuff so it's not broken on release

end of story?

[proven tide]

this community is 80% brain rarted

[queen sail]

What do you expect

It’s part of the terraria community

[proven tide]

step one: don't hold hopes of anything being simple or obvious

[small talon]

why are we discussing what is a beta tester and not suggestions

[queen sail]

Dunno

[proven tide]

because it was a segue

[queen sail]

That’s the convo rn

[queen delta]

It's easy to get off topic in most conversations here

[gloomy hazel]

I see. But what if an item is too OP or UP to be added? Does it get tweaked or does it get "dumped"?

[queen sail]

Former

[ancient widget]

Tweaking is easy

[queen sail]

It only gets trashed if probably like

It’s way too buggy to even bother

[ancient widget]

Removing an item serves almost no purpose except if the item is absolutely pointless

[queen sail]

Not sure about that one though

[vale scaffold]

I'm still a bit salty over the tortoise shell, but for different reasons

I just started with calamity, saw 92 def item in the wiki

and proceeded killing thousands of turtles

hours later realised I haven't updated the mod

[queen sail]

[gloomy hazel]

But if an item is purposely pointless, then why are they in the mod?

[radiant meadow]

something getting dumped rarely happens in testing

[gloomy hazel]

like the rock

[teal ibex]

can you name a purposefully pointless item to me

[queen sail]

Xerock exists

It’s a trophy

[teal ibex]

rock mentions that its purpose will become evident in the future

it's a tease

[ancient widget]

The rock...pointless...

[queen sail]

As of now, anyway

[ancient widget]

You have no idea

[proven tide]

XeRock

ow

[queen sail]

Xerock is probably gonna summon cosmic moth boi in two years

[gloomy hazel]

oh okay

[proven tide]

that did fifteen points of damage straight to my soul

[queen sail]

Well it makes sense, right?

[proven tide]

[gloomy hazel]

so it's a teaser kind of item

[teal ibex]

if you can name another purposefully pointless item then by all means, let me know i guess

[gloomy hazel]

I'll check

[teal ibex]

oh no.

[radiant meadow]

the closest to a pointless item rn is probably syntax error

[queen sail]

I’d say NO U but then i remember it’s a reminder that [REDACTED] used to be a thing

[proven tide]

ermmmm

That reminds me

[vale scaffold]

giant tortoise shell is a pointless item because of its rare variant

[gloomy hazel]

huh, it's hard to guess any pointless items in fact

[vale scaffold]

it only serves to make inventory management problems

[teal ibex]

uhhhh what?

[vale scaffold]

I believe I trashed over a thousand of tortoise shells while farming for the rare variant

[radiant meadow]

giant tortoise shell is much more common than fabled

[queen delta]

It also serves as the sponge recipe

[radiant meadow]

and it's also an absorber component

[ashen warren]

Im trying to think of a pointless item, somehow everything has a purpose even if its a minimal

[queen sail]

Lunic Eye is pointless because Eye of Magnus exists

[proven tide]

woah good game design

[queen sail]

[teal ibex]

it's almost like that's how items are designed: with intent

[queen sail]

You say that statement like getting the fabled tortoise shell isn’t an issue

[gloomy hazel]

Okay, here's one, the slime gun is pointless

[queen sail]

When tortoises are mostly uncommon

[teal ibex]

firstly, that's vanilla, and secondarily, it's a multiplayer meme gun

[radiant meadow]

and fabled tortoise shell is getting nerfed

[gloomy hazel]

dammit...so vanilla items don't count

[teal ibex]

i mean, who cares enough to remove slime gun

[queen sail]

Why did you go to vanilla

[teal ibex]

and this has turned into nitpicking, which was not the point

[ancient widget]

could ya stop trying to find logical gaps in my argument

[teal ibex]

the point being made here is that items that may seem pointless may have some deeper intention that you haven't formerly considered

[gloomy hazel]

so does that mean Draedon's Remote will have another use?

[queen sail]

Probably not

[teal ibex]

no.

[gloomy hazel]

just asking

[vale scaffold]

huh I have an idea

[queen sail]

It’s a challenge

[ancient widget]

again with the damn remote

[queen sail]

For fun

[vale scaffold]

are all rare variant drops from monsters only?

[queen sail]

Yep

[frail mantle]

some are from bosses

[ancient widget]

From enemies, rare enemies, and bosses

[queen delta]

The remote is more of a reward for killing the annoying common pest that is armored digger

[vale scaffold]

in that case would it be reasonable to add recipes to make rare weapon variant

[queen sail]

No

[vale scaffold]

e.g. 10 tortoise banner and a tortoise shell

equals a rare variant of it

[queen sail]

That removes

[ancient widget]

I feel a reward for beating mecha mayhem buffed by the remote would be fine

[queen sail]

the fucking point

[ancient widget]

but anything beyond that...nah

[vale scaffold]

10 banner though

is 500 kills

[queen sail]

You’d probably get one by then

[vale scaffold]

just to reduce the randomness

[queen delta]

Looks like RNG doesn't want you to have one then

[queen sail]

[teal ibex]

why include recipes for statistical anomolies

[gloomy hazel]

a reward for beating the mecha mayhem, that's what I like to hear!

[queen sail]

500 kills is enough to get on rare variant

Since the drop rate is usually 1 in 100

[ancient widget]

Don't count on it any time soon

[ashen warren]

It wouldnt be rare if its craftable

[proven tide]

^

[gloomy hazel]

dammit...

[vale scaffold]

exactly

[gloomy hazel]

I guess I'll just wait then

[teal ibex]

for the record, the odds of not receiving a fabled tortoise shell in 500 attempts is 8%

[vale scaffold]

since 500 kills is enough to get a rare variant

why not add a recipe for it using banners?

[proven tide]

it's not guaranteed, though

[dusty stirrup]

Ask fargo harhar

[queen delta]

Because again, everything in Terraria is determined by RNGesus

[proven tide]

Nor is it guaranteed to drop on you

As opposed to banners, which are both

[queen delta]

And if RNGesus doesn't want you to have that item, you won't get one

[teal ibex]

this is a subjective argument of satisfaction vs consistency

and consistency in edge cases, i might add

[queen sail]

Fargo nerfed the fuck out of banner crafting, actually

You can’t use banners to craft a bunch of items to ease up on farming

[gloomy hazel]

Okay, two items that are pointless, here!
Baby Ghost Bell Banner and Sea Minnow Banner.

[teal ibex]

there won't be any conclusions drawn because it's completely opinionative

[queen sail]

I mean

Why would you kill them in the first place

[teal ibex]

dovah, you clearly missed my point

[dusty stirrup]

They're still decorative banners

[teal ibex]

it's best you move on

[dusty stirrup]

Now stop trying to find a "useless" item

[queen sail]

And i already suggested having the calamity critters be catchable

[gloomy hazel]

Okay okay, as you wish...

[dusty stirrup]

or consequences will be had

[vale scaffold]

oh, that wasn't my intention

I'm just a bit salty because I killed over 3000 tortoises

[queen delta]

Just go full glass cannon tbh

[teal ibex]

that would be a 0.004% chance so i personally have a hard time believing that

[vale scaffold]

I didn't update the mod hectique

so the item was not ingame at all

[queen sail]

That’s your fault

[teal ibex]

then it's a 100% chance and that's very unfortunate.

[radiant meadow]

critter banners are for consistency

as are boss masks/trophies

[gloomy hazel]

So if one had to make a good suggestion, it would be about the biggest flaws of the mod (as long as it has not been added to the to-do list)

[queen sail]

I feel like AS should still drop EoS though

[gloomy hazel]

I'll have to think a bit

[queen sail]

Even if it’s not related to the sky and stuff

Because, y’know

Consistency with the other mech alts

[teal ibex]

if the reason you're making a suggestion is for the sole purpose of making a suggestion, then don't bother

if you actually find an issue with the mod, or some idea that could improve it without too much effort, then go ahead

[queen sail]

I will state for the third time

[teal ibex]

but suggesting for the sake of suggesting will likely just wind up without any quality or consideration and doesn't serve much purpose

[queen sail]

Suggestions made for the hell of it have a 100% chance of not getting in

[gloomy hazel]

I'm just trying to focus harder on the goal of finding flaws that could be improved

[queen sail]

Then

[gloomy hazel]

as of now

[queen sail]

Play the mod and find out

[ivory flax]

your salt only makes my popcorn richer

[queen sail]

Not that hard really

Why are you even here

[teal ibex]

solid non sequitur friend

[queen sail]

Who are you

[teal ibex]

but as a bait, it's rather boring

[gloomy hazel]

I played the mod for weeks and have beaten SCal, so I think I have an okay-ish amount of info on the mod itself

Might have to improve that

I'll play more

[teal ibex]

look if you wanna suggest changes i can't stop you, but your logic to this point has been more about subjective and personalized stuff rather than objective improvements

if you want to keep suggesting go ahead

but people are not going to spoonfeed information to you every time like what occured here

[smoky wagon]

fabled tortise shell is big meme

91 defense

[radiant meadow]

it's an oversight

and it's getting fixed

[proven tide]

What was oversoughtedeen to give it that much of a buff?

[radiant meadow]

it wasn't supposed to be buffed

[proven tide]

I mean

[queen sail]

Probably a typo in code

[proven tide]

oof

[gloomy hazel]

@teal ibex I'm cool, I'm not trying to bother or search for troubles. I at first thought Draedon's Remote lacked usefulness and that there wasn't enough mounts (and combat mounts). I would have thought that making a suggestion that would give a reward for defeating the three mech bosses from Draedon's Remote and the reward being a mount itself would be like two hits with one rock.

Oh well...it's just a matter of the public's opinion after all.

[civic pond]

Yes health bar

🤔

[small talon]

I like

[zenith hazel]

just get the "Yet Another Boss Health Bar" mod

[queen sail]

Overhaul support
:vruhmentum:

[ashen warren]

bruh

[ashen warren]

overhaul support would take forever

The guy who made overhaul has legitimately stated that he resprited almost every weapon

not to mention it’d be rediculous

[queen sail]

I don’t even think the creator of overhaul has a better reputation than fab

Fab is controversial at most but Mirsario’s mostly hated last time i checked

[ashen warren]

As far as I'm aware fab and overhaul dev mirsario, thanks KM, dislike eachother anyway.

which must mean that a collab is immanent

totes

[queen sail]

Also i heard that overhaul is uh

Sucky

[ashen warren]

It goes sicko mode on the already noodly code

[queen delta]

So either do overhaul without calamity, or do it with, and endure bug levels that are almost at tremor level

[queen sail]

People be hating on calamity for its extreme vanilla changes and forget overhaul exists

[ashen warren]

I did it with and survived until, like WoF before stuff began to act up

[queen sail]

Had premonition when the trailer showcased fire as a new gameplay element

[ashen warren]

“have your house burn down rapidly! It’s fun”

[tired haven]

I mean it is! For first time

Then it turns out to be nothing but chore because there are x less designs in houses you can pull off

[small talon]

at the time you can get both of the required armor for the set you want, you could just go get ataxia armor...

[sudden quail]

You're gonna need more details on this one

[small talon]

that too

[sudden quail]

Like what does the armour do, and why should this be a thing?

[proven tide]

multiclass glass cannon armour

[ashen warren]

:yum:
why though

[proven tide]

I would suggest a tanky armour but beetle

also that

[ashen warren]

Bar of life armor is already in though, auric tesla.

[proven tide]

That's not quite its theme though

It's notably there only for false longevity (i.e., recipe padding)

[ashen warren]

Charred armor would be neat, but I'd have it be multiclass or only 1 class, like rogue or mage.

[proven tide]

maybe a fantastic dual

rogue/mage buffs

[ashen warren]

that sounds

epic

[proven tide]

the power of life turned twisted and brutal

[ashen warren]

Charred armor has basically 2 routes for me then, frost armor but with rogue/mage or ghetto demonshade.

rogue is better i think because calamity does kinda lack rogue armor

compared to the other armor types

(by armor types i mean like demonshade armor, auric tesla etc)

I.. don't follow.

Because those are rogue.

[proven tide]

okay I follow but it's roundabout and a bit misleading

they mean armour sets (not types as in damage types, as in class armours), and provided demonshade and auric tesla as examples of armour sets — but not rogue armour sets, just as examples to demonstrate the concept of different sets in a separate point to Calamity lacking rogue sets

but, yeah, there is a point in calamity lacking mono-rogue sets vs. vanilla's other class armours

[ashen warren]

Tbh, rogue should have a chlorophyte bar + whatever material armor.

[proven tide]

never done beefoooooooree

yes. do it.

[ashen warren]

It'd massively help with balancing around stuff.
And just uh, delete reaver being post-plant or smth.

hi shucks

[proven tide]

gotta love the fact that my supreme crab armour was shafted only for a very similar mechanic to be implemented into the new 'rogue' class a bit later

[lost agate]

That would require a lot of rebalancing

[proven tide]

[lost agate]

And chloro is just a pain to get

[proven tide]

^

okay but

consider this

mining potion + whateverthebestpickaxeatthattimeisiforgot + binoculars + metal detector + spelunker potion + ancient fossil

[lost agate]

Still a pain to get

[proven tide]

netted me ~2K ore in ~25 minutes

dunno what you're on

And Then That Run Died, ™.

[lost agate]

6 ores per bar on an area that just constantly nets you dmg thanks to moss hornet and mud being slow to mine

[ashen warren]

I believe that the grind is the intent, but perhaps it could be like how there are "high effort" weapons and "low effort" weapons.

[proven tide]

oh yeah + zen

[lost agate]

Not to mention you can get some really small veins

[ashen warren]

Reaver being low and the chlorophyte armors being high.

That much is true.

[lost agate]

Spectre armor is just absurd strong

[proven tide]

i've never used it

bite me

In all seriousness, what I really want, mechanically, is more support support

like, in your example, the spectre gear

[lost agate]

Rogue update is coming soon anyway

[ashen warren]

Healer or smth?
Buffing?

[proven tide]

yesss

[livid coral]

Also we're open to video suggestions so we might do it

[proven tide]

but also stuff like paladin's shield

taking one for the teeeam™

[lost agate]

Spectre armor is either absurd extra dmg or absurd healing

Choose your poison

And yes, video suggestions are good but that idea pretty much will only work for dog atm since all the other bosses still have a chance of being changed, while doggo is pretty much done

[warm tinsel]

Watch Crabulon killing you off with a blam-o claw after getting another change

Okno

[proven tide]

oh yeah yeah golem crab rocket claw punches

[sudden quail]

Is the cavern shrine not made of obsidian already?

[alpine copper]

Uh i dont see it

......... wait

So the one before the hell shrine is the cavern one?

[tired haven]

Ye

Should be, at least

[sudden quail]

From left to right: Surface/Underground, Desert, Snow, Marble, Granite, Mushroom, Crimson, Corruption, Cavern, Hell, Abyss

Wiki doesn't explicitly say what's what, but am I correct?

[alpine copper]

Man i thought it was a variant of the hell shrine

[proven tide]

oh my god

same

THAT'S what I've been looking for?

Neat

I thought it was just the overworld one, but deeper

[rich wagon]

@icy cove why not change the name of it into a BTD related Bloon?

[distant gyro]

tbh BFB

[swift wharf]

abyss shrine chest shoud be the void/stratus chest

[pliant bone]

Tbh DDT

That would stop people from asking for ZOMG then BAD

[distant gyro]

yea that's a better idea

[full bramble]

DDT gotta be dark

add defense for lead and stealth because camo

[hearty yew]

@orchid bane Use the HP boost config to triple every boss's health or more.

No need for a new config

[icy cove]

Done, i kinda figured it was a named that as an acronym for mother of all balloons

[distant gyro]

could do with a resprite as well; you can search it up how it looks like and try to sprite it

[icy cove]

Yeah, im working on it right now, im just gonna change the color scheme and add bumps where the lines are. Im awful at pixel art though

[full bramble]

massive ornary air blimp I think?

[icy cove]

Yep

[queen sail]

Is there a reason we need this @worn salmon

[worn salmon]

i was thinkingg it would be a DoG drop since he doesnt drop any accesories

[distant gyro]

nebulous core

[terse sundial]

^

[worn salmon]

thats a thing??

[distant gyro]

yes 100% exp+ drop

[worn salmon]

well could i say its Rev only?

[queen sail]

Doesn’t exactly sound any better than the core though

Nebulous core has a damage buff and a revive effect

[worn salmon]

then normal mode then

[distant gyro]

there's already a rev+ exclusive which is the CD

[queen sail]

Imagine playing on normal mode

[worn salmon]

he doesnt drop any accesories in normal mode

[queen sail]

None of the post ml bosses drop accessories in normal

[distant gyro]

nothing really drops accs on normal, even vanilla bosses

worm scarf for instance

[worn salmon]

are there any weapons that inflict reverse gravity?

[distant gyro]

there's no debuffs that messes with your grav other than distorted?

[worn salmon]

i mean like

that make enemimes have reverse grav

[distant gyro]

ye but like no such debuffs exist, how could there be a weapon with grav-induced effects when there's no said debuff existing

[worn salmon]

create one

[novel pebble]

Make a new debuff?

Lol

[worn salmon]

they could use the reverse gravity debuff and make it apply to enemies

[distant gyro]

exactly, that means you have to create one, answering the question eariler "are there any weapons that inflict reverse gravity?"

[worn salmon]

its simple then

gravitation potion's buff except defaulted to "up"

i miss that one time where i actually made a suggestion that passed

[queen sail]

Bigger question

How would this reverse gravity effect be effective on enemies

Yknow

After dog

[worthy fiber]

Why isn't the blimp in one image

[icy cove]

Its a long blimp, im trying to fix it rn

[worn salmon]

@queen sail convienience ig

for abyss enemies and flying enemies

they'd fly up

instead of down on you

same for bosses

and like the flames in the yharon fight

ok i updated

[queen sail]

You know for damn sure that they’re gonna make bosses and boss minions are immune to this, right

[worn salmon]

yeah

but i'd be interestin

[arctic tapir]

I didn’t even know aquatic scourge spawned prehard

[ashen warren]

It's really rare but can happen

I think it makes sense, considering the fact that Levi and Siren have an IOU

why would you need gel from king slime

the slimes he summons drop gel

@mental path please explain

[mental path]

yeah but the giant slime doesnt

[ashen warren]

why would he need to

[mental path]

because it makes sense???

[ashen warren]

but there's no reason for him to drop it other than it making sense

gel is one of the most common drops

[mental path]

yeah theres no reason for fall damage other than it making sense either

how can a giant slime not drop any gel?

[agile pilot]

uhh okay it merged my suggestions that's weird

didn't intend for that to happen but they're basically the same thing so i guess its fine

[queen delta]

Maybe think more on your suggestion and finish it before posting it? Seems like you’re not done improving it

Get all the details in, then post the suggestion, and edit based on feedback

But otherwise looks fine

[agile pilot]

okay gotcha

i'll make it more readable

is that better?

[ashen warren]

@mental path I wasn't even talking about fall damage. Fall damage serves as an actual way to keep things balanced in game. There is legitimately no reason for King Slime to drop actual gel.

[mental path]

there is

[ashen warren]

your game won't explode without king slime dropping gel alright

if you need gel just go stand in the forest and kill a few slimes

[gusty geode]

But there needs to be a fast, controllable way to get every basic material
also is he seriously asking to completely remove fall damage

[frail mantle]

he's making the allegory that fall damage exists because it makes sense, therefore KS dropping gel should exist cause it makes sense

[smoky wagon]

slime god drops gel if you need to farm it

[gusty geode]

Tbf I wouldn't be against it
The slimes he spawns already drop a ridiculous amount as is but the main KS dropping some would be helpful
It's the same kind of thing as BoC dropping a ton of Crimtane and Tissue Samples when you already get plenty from its Creepers

[ashen warren]

The difference is normal gel isn't an ore like crimtane, nor a resource needed for armor

normal gel can be found in almost every biome

[winged ice]

Actually, king slime dropping gel would be a nice QoL change. In my current playthrough, gel is used for a LOT of crafting shenanigans, namely balloons. This would normally be manageable, but multiplayer sometimes gets very farm heavy with things like that.

[small talon]

go join the art server @wheat raptor

they have a channel in that discord for that

its called artwork showcase

[wheat raptor]

ok

what is the link?

[ashen warren]

the link's in #info

[hollow shell]

@mental path Edit your King Slime suggestion to include a reason why, please

Also, all of the enemies he spawns drop gel
so youre coming out of the battle with a lot of it anyway

[lost agate]

Yeah

[ashen warren]

that's what i was saying

[steel elbow]

what does the exclamation point reaction signify?

[queen delta]

It hasnt been reviewed by a mod yet

[steel elbow]

ah

[hollow shell]

@last star Fixed. It was a wiki issue rather than an in-game one

[last star]

okie

just found it kinda funny 😄

[hollow shell]

destory

[last star]

ye

[hollow shell]

it is no longer a story

:P

[patent oar]

awww i cant destory natural world gen now

guess ill have to destroy it instead

[fierce loom]

does destorying the world just remove all lore

[patent oar]

roar of the jungle dragon becomes lyricless because there is no story and no message

[queen sail]

Your screams can’t echo out through the fire if there is no fire

:rollsafe:

[patent oar]

abyss doesnt exist because it never got made

[void kelp]

suggestion: increase the required amount of stars for a suggestion to be sent to moderators to 130 due to the influx of new members ?

[hollow shell]

Would rather not do it pre-emptively and especially not so soon after the last raising

[ashen warren]

Eh, I don’t think it’s needed right now. Give it a few days and then we can probably see if it’s needed

[dusty stirrup]

Atleast wait until the new members become apparent

[bold spruce]

^

[patent oar]

if theres a drastic increase in stars then yes

[cyan lagoon]

Huh

[proven tide]

would suggesting fixing this ("elctrical") be a valid suggestion?

it's in the transformer's tooltip

[cyan lagoon]

I think its better for #bugs-read-pins

[terse sundial]

^

[proven tide]

Aight

[cyan lagoon]

Fixing typos arent necessarily suggestions

More like bugs because they're unintended. Suggestions can imply that they were intended at some point

[proven tide]

Thank you

[ashen warren]

@icy cove isnt that a ddt from btd?

[hearty yew]

@last star post that in bugs really, you don't need to suggest tiny fixes like that

[hollow shell]

It was just a wiki thing

It's correct in-game

(I'll delete his suggestion actually)

[hollow shell]

We used to get suggestions like this a lot
when respriting bosses was more prevalent

Still is, but I'm talkin like DoG

[icy cove]

@ashen warren my best try at it, some people suggested i change it to match the MOAB from btd

[near crown]

Hm my suggestion has 91 stars and didnt get sent

[torpid chasm]

lmao

[radiant meadow]

Just wait, it'll happen eventually

pointing it out will either cause no difference in when it's delivered or infuriate/stress/pressure those who do send them

[quiet abyss]

^

[ashen warren]

@forest light I love this idea and totally agree with it

[queen sail]

It’s been suggested a lot though

[ashen warren]

it should be something, imo, that should be craftable in like late pre-HM/Early HM so you have an incentive early on to gather the pages

I'm not around here often

[queen sail]

Nit as frequent but other people have suggested a lorebook

[ashen warren]

I usually check the changelogs and call it a day lol

[ashen warren]

Magnet Mode
A toggleable item mode that makes all your projectiles slightly home. Problem is, so do your enemies', have fun!

[civic pond]

[queen delta]

Imagine scal’s abyssals

[ashen warren]

Imagine laser walls

[civic pond]

imagine any weapon that doesn't normally home

[ashen warren]

Slightly home

[civic pond]

still makes a difference

[ashen warren]

Homing lances

Homing swords

o ye

[civic pond]

o no

[ashen warren]

Since those count as projectiles, nice

[queen delta]

Summoner retard AI doesn't miss anymore

[civic pond]

you wish

homing flails?

[ashen warren]

That sounds like a gimmick for 1 weapon tbh

Homing Infinity projectiles

[civic pond]

that'd make some ranged weapons way more powerful

[ashen warren]

And that's the last thing they need rn, so ech

Well, they're not that powerful if you get destroyed by homing WoF lasers

[forest light]

@ashen warren honestly surprised it isn't already a thing. Seems like a perfect addition for how many more pieces there are

[ashen warren]

yeah

especially since weapons like Astreal Defeat have lore attached to their tooltips

a little convenient book of all the scraps of lore you collect would be nice

[proven tide]

@arctic tapir why, exactly?

[arctic tapir]

@proven tide dome

Done*

[proven tide]

Doesn't the same apply to the moons?

Like, it's just the Endothermic Energy/Nightmare Fuel?

[arctic tapir]

Yes but I don’t have an idea for those

[proven tide]

fair

[hearty spade]

@fossil rivet Yet Another Boss Health Bar does the exact same thing and works pretty well, I don't really see why it should be a thing in Calamity too

[fossil rivet]

Ah. My bad.

[proven tide]

ooo no

@lilac narwhal did you just star your own suggestion

[daring shell]

i think i already suggested what nadiki said yesterday
no harm in saying it more tho, means more people want it

[zenith hazel]

i find that super unlikely to be accepted tbh, scrapping 2 planned superbosses entirely

true, yharim seems like the ultimate challenge standing in your path, makes sense for him to be the final boss

but at the same time, you have to consider the fact that yharim's not the strongest

[patent oar]

And putting yharim after them makes them weaker than yharim and therefore yharim is more of a superboss because of progression ofc

[tight gorge]

Keep this in mind

Superbosses are always optional

[sudden quail]

Fabsol has confirmed that Yharim will be the final boss in terms of lore, and that there'll be two superbosses intended to be stronger than him: Goozma & Xeroc.

[proven tide]

that happened

[zenith hazel]

auric tesla...?

[elder mist]

Yharim is already planned to be the final boss, yes. Superbosses after him are merely only for challenge purposes.

[worthy fiber]

The rarity of the Onyx Drill balances it out

[full bramble]

perfectly balanced as all things should be

[warm tinsel]

Goozma is like a black hole who spawns when Yharim is defeated

Xeroc comes as the Endgame in Boss Rush-kun

[proven tide]

iirc drae's not really gonna fight you himself at all

as far as i know he's more or less just gonna sit back and let his creations beat you up

[hollow shell]

Also, Draedon is going to be the boss after Yharon
so Murasama will be viable for him

[proven tide]

^

[warm tinsel]

Yeah then we are all set

[zenith hazel]

true melee exo mechs

[warm tinsel]

And I still think he's gonna get the Phase 2 where he slaps us but K

[proven tide]

that also happened

and a self-star

@still cliff it has a 1/6 drop chance from the WoF, no?

[queen delta]

1/3

[elder mist]

[proven tide]

oh

vanilla wiki says 16.67%, so has it been increased in Calamity or am I missing something?

[hollow shell]

Also, Armageddon's an option

a difficult one but good for getting the loot you want

[proven tide]

Armageddon WoF is an idea I am not too comfortable with

[still cliff]

Ok dude chill

[ashen warren]

Farming is a thing in this game, i dont think everything needs to be sold by a npc

[queen delta]

If theres a boss im never using armageddon on, its wof

Theres just no way you cant not get hit without an over the top good arena or pure luck

Or celestus melt

[cyan lagoon]

@ashen warren having wulfrum weapons of everything would ruin the point of the "starting" weapons

Wulfrum is made to be slightly better than wood but (should somewhat be) worse than everything else overall

[loud steeple]

wulfrum is pretty op at the start

[ashen warren]

When i run right infront of the wall the bottom eye stays below my blocks usually and the top eye shoots right behind me so i only have to run bit faster, ghe hungry are just easy to beat, well melee stleast lol

Pretty nice suggestion with the boots

[hollow shell]

I'm iffy about Aero Stone and Siren's Heart being used as materials there, but overall a cool suggestion

[ashen warren]

Idk about the creating water ability, might be caotic and youll have water all around where you may not want it

[hollow shell]

I assume it won't be actual water and more like a bubble that's treated like water

Actual water would just be griefing lol

[ashen warren]

I agree with the stone and heart too

Hopefully :p

[high oracle]

Actual materials don't matter as much. I was playing around with some HM bosses in water and Aero Stone + Iron Boots ended up almost essential for vertical movement. Figured it would be more useful/viable if those effects were rolled into one item. instead of needing 3-4 items for water and 1-2 for the same movement normally.

Didn't really think through the creating water... Could just be a SP only option or just removed entirely

[gusty geode]

Did somebody actually ask the devs to just... not do everything past Yharim?
They ever heard of post-game content?

[queen sail]

“There should be no more content after Yharim because he is THE final boss of Calamity”
Omegaluls in Superbosses

Also yharim is the final boss progression wise, but not the final boss of the mod

That would be xeroc, aka space moth fuckboi

Also like bad opinions woomy said, post-game content exists to keep you entertained when you complete the story

That’d probably ruin the purpose of the meteor itself @icy cove

[queen delta]

Make it small enough so that the meteor has alot more

[queen sail]

Also, one meteor has like

500+ ore on a large world

[icy cove]

Yeah, and the meteor has a biome to get weapons from to

[queen delta]

Imagine playing multiplayer tbh

[icy cove]

cries in dog teleporting

[queen sail]

That’s at least 200+ bars if you have the sufficient amount of stardust

[queen delta]

DoG can damage you during laser walls too

[civic pond]

wtf

makey yharmi finle bosss

[icy cove]

That parts not so bad when you really get the pattern down, but he sometimes he just goes sideways

[cyan lagoon]

Shush

Not to the astral ore talk

[patent oar]

thers also a chance to get another meteor from WoF and aureus (iirc) kills

[queen delta]

We have a meteor for phm, astral meteor for hm, now we just need a new pml meteor to litter the world with

[civic pond]

yata please for the love of god no

[cyan lagoon]

No more meteors

Too many holes at that rate

[queen delta]

Its not enough tbh

[civic pond]

the abyss is just one big meteor

[queen delta]

We need more holes

[distant gyro]

[queen delta]

Ooh perhaps we should have a huge shower of meteors that make tons of holes after ML dies?

[distant gyro]

oh noes meteor shower event :fear:

[patent oar]

ML doesnt drop luminite, instead it rains luminite meteors

oooh even better

kill dog

cosmilite meteor shower

or during phase 2 it showers meteors and the longer you take the more meteor that land

or xeroc dies and then a giant meteor just crushes your world